Treasure planet by a lot.
>>154340108I would like to know why anybody should care about what Dobson thinks. Imagine living this way.
>>154340108What do they even have in common besides James Newton Howard?
>>154340108probably Treasure Planet but I enjoyed both films, they're pretty good
>>154340108Altlantis have better characters, better animation, or at least more compelling and sort of an original story
Used to be Treasure Planet, but I think I enjoyed Atlantis more. Better characters and a tighter story.
>>154340108The road to el dorado.
>>154340357I like Atlantis more because it has better female characters and sex appeal. Helga, Kida, and Aubrey are all hot. The only female I remember from Treasure Planet is that cat lady.I also like how it is historical fiction based loosely around the world almost heading to WW1. The machines had this art deco look to them. There were fashion choices that I liked like Aubrey's New York street girl look, Helga's military brat and spy look, Kidas foreigner look, and Rourke's military look. And there was a story about Milo worried about the treasure of Atlantis falling into the hands of the Kaiser.
>>154340108Atlantis was way, way better. I liked both though.
>>154340434>I also like how it is historical fiction based loosely around the world almost heading to WW1. The machines had this art deco look to them.hell yeah brother
I loved them both but Atlantis is my favorite.
Disney didn't submit Atlantis for the inaugural Best Animated Feature academy award, so it couldn't end up among the 3 nominees
I like both quite a lot but they are not even close to being my favorite classic Disney films so I dont have a strong opinion on which do I prefer. Helga is best girl out of the two obviously.
>>154340108Now for people who pick Atlantis, do you just really like the characterizations and designs over treasure planets story?
>>154340523Naturally
>>154340503Rare move from disney to sort of abandon the movie, I guess the box office was bad
>>154340544To be fair shrek really did burst onto the scene back in 2000
>>154340108Atlantis easily
>>154340544
Gave me exotic tribal brown fetish so they get a pass
>>154340108Treasure Planet for hot tight teenage boy ass, and it's not even close
>>154340108I'll admit it's been ages since i watched treasure planet. They wouldn't air it on TV as much as Atlantis. That said, Kida is disney's greatest waifu ever drawn so i'll give it to Atlantis.
>>154340541Yes. I like the visuals and characters a more than Treasure Planets.
>>154340544Atlantis did indeed underperform, but that's preferable to Treasure Planet, which straight up bombed.Unfortunate cases for both
>>154340108Treasure Planet. Better character designs, better visuals, and good songs. And a sexy cat-lady. They had already won before Amelia, though. She was just the victory lap.
>>154341718Good post.
>>154340354It's literally dances with wolves but underwater
>>154342339Is Dances With Wolves any good?
Titan A.E.
Atlantis loses out for me because the main villain's motivation makes no sense. The movie just goes off the rails when they actually reach Atlantis.That said, Treasure Planet was just loosely following the structure of Treasure Island so no points for creativity aside from the visuals. It's pretty close.
>>154342667>the studio behind Anastasia and Bartok the MagnificientNah
both suffer the problem that the initial journey to the destination in the first half was the best part of either movie that said, personally, Atlantis.
>>154342349nta but I think it's pretty good
>>154340108>>154340357>>154340434Atlantis is the best 2D animated Disney film of its era (post-90s, pre-Tangled/Frozen). Treasure Planet was such a dud, it deserved to flop.
>>154342349Is dry atlantis
>>154342753I don’t know dick about Treasure Island so I just judge the movie on its own quality which is what you’re supposed to do.
Atlantis tells an original story at least. TP is just the 1883 book with a space setting
>>154340108>kid me though it was going to be cool sub adventures like 20.000 leagues under the sea >watch movie, cool sub gets blown out not even 15 minutes in runtime after it's launched, I will never forgive Disney
>>154340283ikr
>>154342919>>154342877
>>154340108>xitter thread
>>154342949betrayal most foul
>>154340108Atlantis, I love both dieselpunk and space operas, but it was more developed than treasure planet which had more cliched writing
>>154340108Atlantis by a country mile. That's not to say that Treasure Planet isn't good, and I still prefer its aesthetic to Atlantis' dieselpunk, but Atlantis' story and characters were better developed and overall more charming and it's nice that every member of the crew got their own little moment during the movie. As fun as Treasure Planet is, can you really say you cared about any other characters besides John Silver and Jim? (And maybe Captain Amelia even if it's just because (You) wanna fuck her.)
my heart of hearts yearns for a prequel with Milo's grandpa, but I know it's a monkey paw.
>>154342949What a shame.
I'm not sure Treasure Planet would've been nominated if the academy had to choose 3 movies that year, instead of 5
>>154340108Atlantis. Too be fair, I'm biased because it hits a lot of my interests.>Expedition story>Ancient history and civilization>Cool unique culture and lore>Mike Mignola art direction>Great buildup>Awesome monster designs and vehicles>Fun characters>Great cast>Fun battle and peril scenes>WWI aesthetic aka Kaiserpunk
>>154344912fucking chills man
>>154342667Titan A.E. was better than both, it had better writing and a better plot
>>154344997Other that the captain guy sacrificing himself at the end and the protagonist becoming less jaded, Titan A.E. has no substance to speak of
>>154340357Other way around for me.I honestly think they rushed it a bit in Atlantis with the underground portion and the misfits accepting him a bit to fast.
>>154342949Akin to killing the Jurassic Park T-Rex as he's trashing the jeeps. A monumental fucking waste.
>>154340108Atlantis by a lot.
>>154345041The whole genesis planet plot was more interesting and the characters make a lot of sensical choices, you don't scream at how idiotic they are like in treasure planet and atlantis
>>154342667>>154344997>>154345041>IT'S MY TURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRN TO FLYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>154345041Titan AE sucked ass, boring as dick
WDAS would never approve this crap
>>154340108Atlantis didn't have the most annoying character in animation history, so Atlantis wins.
>>154340108I really should rewatch these two films, that being said in my opinion Atlantis is the more solid of the two.
>>154345449They had an original plot instead of ripping off Nadia and treasure island
>>154342799I think Treasure Planet suffers more from this. Just had to introduce that stupid robot in the third act.
>Fantasia 2000>The Tigger Movie>The Emperor's New Groove>Recess: School's Out>Atlantis: The Lost Empire>Return to Never Land>Lilo & Stitch>Treasure Planet>The Jungle Book 2>Piglet's Big Movie>Brother Bear>Teacher's Pet>Home on the Range>Pooh's Heffalump Movie>The Princess and the FrogAll the theatrical 2D Disney movies from the 2000s. I'd say Atlantis and Planet are some of the best ones
>>154340108Treasure Planet is better but I still love Atlantis. Both are the last realistically human movies Disney made
>>154345639>Return to NeverlandMan, I haven't watched Peter Pan in something like 20 years. Maybe it's time.
>>154340357Treasure planet crew of pirates is a bunch of filler. Whole movie feels like it kinda has a lot of empty space in it, while Atlantis feels way more tight. TP has a better villain though. Rourke is so painfully generic
>>154340108Disney stopped making 2D animated movies because the animators fucking unionized, not because of anime.
>>154340108I remember thinking both are kino but I only rewatched Atlantis in last decade
I have a friend who is obsessed with Treasure Planet to the point of writing a script for a Treasure Planet tv series. Unfortunately, he doesn't really have an real talent for writing and can't draw, so he uses AI to create soulless pictures of the series he's planning. If any kind of new Treasure Planet media came out, he'd probably be psyched, but it'd also mean he wasted a lot of money on "screenwriting assisting" software.
>>154344651>cared about any other characters besides John Silver and Jim?I mean, you're not supposed to really? The cat woman was given more cause its a movie and it needed more general development, but the movie is directly about John Silver and Jim. Even the adventure is secondary to their story. So while I'll say the adventure, action, and cast is better in Atlantis, I think treasure planet is a better movie. Sort of a splitting hairs moment where Atlantis is a better popcorn adventure and TP is a better dramatic adventure. I'll also concede most people probably like Atlantis more.
>>154344912what a rotten way to die
>>154340108>too much like animeyou don't say
>>154348410Fiiiiiiiiiiiine, I'll fucking watch Nadia jeeez
>>154340108What made all 00s adventure films flop?
>>154348499Spirit is dry as hell
>>154348499Shrek. Normies preferred cgi movies.
>>154348499>SinbadThat's a movie you mostly forget by the time you reach the parking lot
>>154348598I disagree. I found it very...formative.
>>154348540You do know that El Dorado, Titan A.E, and New Groove came out before Shrek, right?
>>154340108I think Treasure Planet was the better adventure but Atlantis was the better cast of characters
>>154340108treasure planet was better but I like atlantis more
>>154348499In Disney's case specifically because they weren't musicals and in both their case and Dreamworks' because they half-assed trying to appeal to an older audience. If Dreamworks had had the balls to make El Dorado a PG-13 movie and been successful doing it they could have created and defined an entire market because that's STILL something that Disney won't touch with a 10-foot pole.>SinbadI had forgotten that this even existed so that's something right there>SpiritI remember this one because I saw it in theaters and it was god-awful. Basically a horse girl movie but without anything to appeal to horse girls.>Treasure Planet>El DoradoSee above re: half-assing. Having THE pirate story played even marginally straight as a PG movie is just ridiculous.>AtlantisSee above re: not a musical.>Emperor's New GrooveHonestly pretty bland and boring overall but Eartha Kitt and Patrick Warburton stole every scene they were in.
Drew this pic of Audrey Ramirez a while backhttps://files.catbox.moe/qnfv7e.png
Both of them kinda drag once they reach their destinations. Atlantis picks up again at the end.
>>154349265>Honestly pretty bland and boring overall but Eartha Kitt and Patrick Warburton stole every scene they were in.kinda interesting of what would have happened with Empire of the Sun. It would have probably flopped as well
>>154349271Bless you, anon
>>154340108>Atlantis>by a lot
>>154340108TPLooking into all the stuff the studio had ready and made for the second movie and possible TV series really makes it feels like the movie was a stepping stone into really fleshing the setting out the team wanted to do once they got "treasure island but in space" part out of the way. That one obscure computer game added a bunch by itself for adding to the races, space navy, and such.
>>154340108It's a tough question, because they both have serious problems in the third act.Atlantis would have been better off as a miniseries. Give the initial expedition more than a montage, and have more time for character arcs in the final act rather than "we're bad now, wait nevermind we're good".Treasure Planet was weighed down completely by its Ben character, who clearly was intended for Robin Williams. Wanted that Genie magic, but instead he's just an annoyance.I'd say Treasure Planet is better simply due to fewer problems.
>>154340357>>154340434I wish her designer reused her design for a comic
>>154340357>>154340434I hope they do some ass-pull "Antlantian Tech" reason for keeping her alive if they ever make a second movie. Literal bombshell character with interesting potential and they kill her off like a dying dog.
>>154351494>if they ever make a second movieDo they do that in the second one? Never watched it
>>154351640technically this wasn't a second movie but the first 2-3 pilot episodes of the canceled tv series
>>154351647Reading over the synopsis, seems like it
Atlantis is somewhat decent, but it's not amazing.Treasure Planet is in fact pretty good. But ultimately they both live in the shadow of better and more popular works. Every Pixar film, all of the 90's Renaissance films, Shrek, Lilo and Stich and Emperor's New Groove. They had to compete against so much, and they never ascended to the higher levels partially because of that. I think we can all agree that our opinions of Atlantis would be way higher if it came out in the early 80s.
>>154351640I had no idea this even existed, but my wish still stands if this isn't officially "canon."
I'm not very knowledgeable with cartoons and all that but I was honestly shocked when I checked informations about Atlantis and found out that a lot of reviewers disliked it precisely because it had no dancing and singing. This is so bizzare to be I honestly don't know what to say. Almost as bizzare as complaining that Robin Hood movie is not about dancing animals.I remember however how few years ago discussed animated movies with my mother and mentioned Atlantis and how it was financial failure, wondering why it happened. She replied that, in her opinion, it was about movie being "stuck between two target audiences" as "too dark for kids, too childish for adults". While I don't really agree with second part, it might be also related how animation was and still is considered something "for kids" by older people.
>>154351840It's a downfall of Disney's own making. They had been making animated movies with musical segments for so long that when they were gone, people complained. And similarly, many of their movies were made with an "all ages" attitude (but really, kids. Got to sell merch, happy meals toys and whatever else somehow!), which ruined the perception that animation can be for adults too for so very long.
>released shortly after Antz, A Bug's Life, Prince of Egypt, and TarzanCould it be possible that Iron Giant flopped because people found the animation style too simplistic?
>>154340357>>154340434>>154351279>>154351494What annoys me is her 'sudden reveal' as a villainShe works better as loyal to the old manJust that she hired the crew based on them being the best with unknown allegiances versus good enough while also being loyalSo she made the mistake of thinking everyone on the crew was like her when the Army Guy likely got to them all and snuck on guns and stuff for what would have been peacefulIt also makes more sense for Milo's plan to attack back later that she created a successful plan than a dude who spent his whole life in a boiler roomHer job was to protect Milo and get him to Atlantis so she did
I watched Titan AE over the weekend and holy SHIT is it an awful movie.
>>154352755Elaborate, please.
>>154352777I need an entire youtube essay to describe how awful that movie is.
>>154340108Both are highly satanic because they promote false religions
>>154352890You can make a shortcut. Like pointing out broadly what you don't like about animation quality, mix of 3D and 2D, pacing, plot, etc.
>>154340108Atlantis. Muppets already did the best Treasure Island.
>>154342799>>154345546hard agree.TP characters generally kind of suck except amelia and john silver and the robot tanks the whole thing so hard it's not even funny.Atlantis starts out great with a whole cast of great characters, then it just kind of fall flat, but without ever going truly bad
>>154353013NTA but I also watched it recently. Its a 9/10 ruined by extremely 90s music at odd times, great animation being drowned by 3d backgrounds giving it this wild sliding feel, a super rushed story that is mostly the fault of the medium of animation costing too much for breathing room, a story that should really have been pg13 to give a bit more bite and to drop a few of the overly childish lines, and some middling acting from the cast but not too bad. It ends up at like a 6/10 just because of too much working actively against a great premise. It would benefit more than Atlantis and Treasure Planet from a live action remake that expands the story.
atlantis is avatar>expedition to unknown world led by the army>old army man sends in his twink to meet the locals>twink falls in love with the princess>wtf army man bad??>they fight back>old army man turns blue and dies
>>154349271love running into your work drawfug
>>154340108
>>154353574It was state of the art at the time for western animation, as you said is great premise and they tried a great execution, unlike atlantis and treasure planet that only had the animation quality as saving grace, because they blatantly stole their plots
>>154353619it has even more parallels with Stargate lol
>>154342667I came here to say this. I'll show it to my daughters at dinner. Probably split over 2 nights, especially if my oldest wants an ep of spectacular Spider-Man or Batman Beyond first. >>154342767I love Anastasia. I would have to be a decade younger and playing a retarded drinking game with friends to watch a sequel like Bartok, that's like bringing up the bambi sequel. Purely hypothetical content that no sane person has intentionally watched.
>>154344749Might finally bite the bullet and do a fic about it.
>>154340108They're both crappy and /co/ only remembers them fondly because they've blocked out all but the two or three best bits about them.
Fun trivia: Mignola is on the record saying he has grandfathered Atlantis as canon in the Mignolaverse.
>>154354072This. The first like ~15 minutes is nearly a scene-for-scene ripoff of SG. I mean, if you're gonna rip something off, rip something good off, but still.
Milo is just Daniel Jackson, but more of a wimp
>>154354208I love this style like you wouldn't believe.
>>154354237Too bad it's wasted on such a mediocre script.
Atlantis is a very non-Disney Disney movie. At least with Treasure Planet you can squint and see how it’s Disney.
>>154340108The first time I watched treasure planet, I fell asleep. Don't know why, maybe was just tired that day
>>154342949The Ulysses deserved better.It being used in every single promo material just to go out like a chump was a disgrace.
>>154354208>Mignola What is he up to these days?
>>154354244>Treasure Planet you can squint and see how it’s DisneyAnon...
How come Atlantis didn't get the live action treatment?They could have pulled a Pirates of the Caribbean with it to some extent I think.It even has a diverse cast already!
>>154354345>complain about how your movie dodged getting raped by nuDisney's greed.You might be retarded
>>154340434https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Pds-WwDbl4
www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRsx0L_Z4c8You know, the OST was very atmospheric, which is very anti-disney, but it was very well done. As in, it's not music that you'd find yourself humming years later, but if you listen to it, it brings you right back to a particular scene.
>>154340108Why even choose? Both are underappreciated Disney films and both are looked back upon fondly as tentpoles of a more promising era that sadly couldn't last. Atlantis is funnier, but Treasure Planet has the stronger cast and more moving emotional moments so I'll go with the latter
I loved the submarine.
>>154340283This. Sounds forced.
>>154340108Yes.
>>154340108I like 'em both! :D
>>154355799>>154356649Cowards
Atlantis, the only thing I liked from Treasure Planet is John Silver and Amelia's design and the robot was fucking annoying.
>>154348499>>154349265I remember El Dorado being called the gayest animated movie ever.
>>154357375If we only had known...
>>154354345You all should watch this fan-made live action concept trailer before Disney takes it downhttps://youtu.be/66o3_HsjpyY
>>154352606Art style was fine. It's the fact that Iron Giant was just a bad story overall to market it towards children. I loved Atlantis as a kid, but got bored with Iron Giant when watching it in theaters. There's also the fact that Iron Giant had zero good characters and story archs in it while Atlantis was filled with all kinds of memorable characters and had 2? very good subplots in addition to the main plot>>154354345It'd just get ruined. Atlantis works best as an animation
>all the Atlantis praise ittI like the first half, but it falls off once they actually get to Atlantis.
>>154340503>Spirits WithinWasn’t that movie really bad?
>>154351647Disney seems to like turning canceled series into sequel movies.
>>154359489Milo won.
>>154351494Word around the block is that they did plan for Helga's death to be ambiguous so she could come back
>>154352690The whole villain reveal at the end was the worst part of the film because it's a total 180 for all of the characters but also it was the stated goal of the expedition: Go to Atlantis and get the crystal. Really Milo was the one who went off script.
>>154360596>"There weren't supposed to be people down here, this changes everything">"This changes nothing"
>>154359505RIP mooks.
>>154340108Easily Atlantis. I love the look of this movie and the characters. I wish the show focused more on the adventure and tech more than the magic
>>154360596>it was the stated goal of the expedition: Go to Atlantis and get the crystal. Really Milo was the one who went off script.The official goal was to just bring back evidence of Atlantis. Milo didn't know they wanted to steal the crystal.
Atlantis I had more fun with
Reminder Kida is 9000yo
>>154353985Why is he straddling that projector like that...
>>154353985The fantastic world of GAY SEX >:) indeed
I loved Treasure Planet and watched it a million times as a kid but I never watched Atlantis
>>154340108treasure planet = bigger universe, more dangerous enemiesatlantis = magicidk, hard to decide
>>154340108I've only seen Treasure Planet, and the robot ruins the 2nd half of the movie
>>154348694and those movies all bombed, so what's your point?
>>154364599You've... never seen Atlantis?
>>154364599Atlantis is the stronger of the two imo.Some of the cgi is jarring, but it's better than TP. Wish they would of done more WW1/WW2'ish weapons vs the rediscovered ancient power weapons. I personally feel like Atlantis should of been longer and explored a few more things. But idk, I'm a retard.
>>154365528>TP
>>154354345The remakes are nostalgia cash-ins. Disney does not believe there is nostalgia in Atlantis to cash-in on.
>>154340967>sample
atlantis is way too fucking compressed for the pulpy adventure story its trying to doit could stand at least another 15 minutesthe giant, toy selling submarine shouldn't get btfo 9 minutes after it shows up
>>154340108Treasure planet.I recently rewatched Atlantis, it used to be one of my favorite disney movies as a kid, first movie I bought with my own money even, but man it does not hold up, and I'm not even talking about all that white savior shit.>early plot rushed so that it feels like a recap more than a movie>completely flat characters who change their allegiance on a dime>plotholes such as "if these people were alive 4000 years ago why can't they even read their own writing"The only cool thing this movie has going for it is art direction, character designs are cool as fuck, vehicles are even better, and atlantis itself is okay (but a bit too mesoamerican inspired for my tastes).In comparison, treasure planet suffers from no plot issues, has ONE annoying character, and is aesthetically just as cool, if a bit duller in color palette. Ofc the plot and character beats are lifted straight off a classic book so that's kind of cheating.>>154348499eldorado > sinbad > new groove > treasure planet > atlantis > spirit
>>154367082>I'm not even talking about all that white savior shit.Eugh, you're one of "those" types. If anything it was a negative look at colonizers, first-contact, exploitation than it was "white saviors". And even then, that wasn't the main point of the story. It was about power lusting and hubris.
Does anyone have the Mignola concept art? I bought the comic reprint because it has some but not all. Also Im about to pa
>>154340108I'm gonna go against the grain and say Treasure Planet.Don't get me wrong, I also love Atlantis, but Treasure Planet (less everything to do with the stupid fucking robot) takes the cake. Yes its just a re-setting that largely beat-for-beat follows the book, but that's fine, its an adaptation. It's well paced, none of the characters feel "wasted" and the cast is reasonably sized (god DAMN that robot though, it drags the movie from 10/10 to 8/10).Atlantis on the other hand is horribly paced. The lead up to the departure on the submarine through the destruction of the sub feels rapid fire, then the movie slogs through the caves introducing a bunch of characters who mostly depart from the movie and whose introduction does nothing except make it feel "disappointing" when they side against Milo later (but we don't spend any of this time on the villain characters or really any foreshadowing of their betrayal). Finally we get to Atlantis, introduce *more* characters, then the betrayal and confrontation happens at a rapid pace again. The movie is a mess. It looks gorgeous, and some of the characters are fun, but its just... chaotic.
>>154367849>Also Im about to pa About to what, anon... ? You're about to WHAT?!
>>154348598And that sounds like a quote from some fucking Youtube movie reviewer.
>>154365343Milo Thatch, greatest animated twink ever put to screen~
>>154366779Kidagakash deserves FULL RESOLUTION
>>154370074spankable
>>154348499I think people were just plain sick of that formula. People forget, but part of the reason the original Shrek was so popular was that it was a direct middle-finger to that entire "Disney Renaissance" formula (that was followed by all non-disney studios as well) that had monopolized western animation for the past decade. It was saying what everyone had been thinking. Shrek is essentially just a straight hour and a half of calling out specific Disney cliches. To truly appreciate Shrek 1 you have to immerse yourself in that end of 90's context. It's also why Shrek 1 is actually a genuinely great film with real artistry behind it, It did to family animation what Airplane! did to disaster films.
I wonder - if those movies would be produced today, would they still flop? Honest question.
>>154367829You don't have to be one of "any" people to think it retarded that the only person who could work ancient technology would be the one foreigner, while said tech was being used by the same people who are currently living in that city.The movie really shot itself in the foot with the long life of the atlantideans, because the princess was a young woman and she, too, was around when the city went underwater and that tech was still in use. Imagine what the equivalent of a middle aged guy would know, even her father who we still see alive in the movie was already old before atlantis went under, am I just supposed to believe all these people "forgot" how to read? And let's not even talk about the disgusting depiction of linguistics, the atlantideans should speak something like a common root language the explorers can understand, not be able to understand every other language. And what the fuck is up with how translating is depicted, like you just swap letters with weird symbols and get the same exact sentence structure.Shit movie, get a scientific advisor.
>>154370856>would they still flop? Of course they would. CG kid protagonists with big eyes and giant heads are what sell now. The only reason Spider-Verse is doing well is thanks to all the established characters and branding Marvel fans can geek out over. Expect Forgotten Island to underperform, followed by a Boss Baby 3 announcement.
>>154370394Good fucking luck
>>154373525What did he say to her?
>>154372247>CG kid protagonists with big eyes and giant heads are what sell nowThat's why Strange Worlds, Elio and Luca were such big hits, right?
>>154373525>>154373525Worth it
>>154371447>like you just swap letters with weird symbols and get the same exact sentence structure.Even as a kid I understood it was retarded that Ireland and Iceland have equally similar names in ancient Atlantean as they do in current English right down to the letters.Mainly because I'm an ESL and that's not even true in my language.
Excited for the new Atlantis comic?
>>154376598Horrible cover art. Nothing reads clearly at first glance
>>154376598Where's my boy Vinny?
>>154377281I'm sure he's in there somewhere
>>154354208I had found an old Atlantis poster from a magazine with art by him and had him sign it at a con.
Greetings from /a/.
Here are a few pages from a parody doujin by the artist of Excel Saga.
>>154376598i fear that this may turn the same as Rio 2. with Milo being sidelined to in order to push the new native Atlantean chad and bait a possible love triangle.i hope I'm wrong but with these woke writers nobody knows.
>>154344962I adore this teaser poster, along with the teaser trailer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQ9AQEP3T2k
>>154378029Aren't they married in Canon? Why would they even try a love triangle?
