The New Mutants and Hellions fought as the Hellions attempted to break Kevin out of FBI custody. Kevin was found not guilty for the murder of his father and he and Jay Guthrie switched squads. David's younger sister later on visited the school only to get caught up in a haunting which turned out to be perpetrated by Jeffrey Garrett, a student who had died during Magneto's/Xorn's attack in Planet X though his spirit was able to be calmed. David then went to Dani and Emma hoping to unlock his full abilities which they agreed to do, but the drawback was that David quickly became arrogant and amoral with the other New Mutants shocked when he announced that he'd created cures for every disease by sacrificing Josh.Today is New Mutants: Academy X #11-15.Previous >>154321212
>>154340431I gotta admitt, I actually enjoyed seeing Dani die here. She just has so few loses, both in battle & social, and she tends to be the moral authority that I enjoyed seeing her knock down a peg.
This was such a dumb arc.
>>154340658It's a better classic What If? style story than the actual What If? series they bust out every few years. Everything goes from fine to shit at warp speed and everyone dies, just like a What If? story should.
>>154340658Eh, it was the era of writting for the trade, meaning stretch things out as much as possible. So what could have been 1 off issue or even half an issue get stretched to a two parter
Issue 12
I wish we'd gotten to see more of the other teams. It seems they were moving in that direction but then HoM happened.
>>154340891For some reason I don't think this would work with the actual Hulk.Also funny how Havok is legit the only x-man who gives the Hulk a hard time.
>>154340387Wind Dancer was cool. I was sad she got bumped off the book.
>>154340975This reminds me,Remember in issue 2 or 3, how Scott decided that the Hellions won the maze challenge. Remember how he is a relation with Emma, the Hellions' couch? Isn't that also academic misconduct.
>>154340966How else were you going to get a half-assed and unconvincing romance with the the handsome bad boy and the Mary Sue?
>>154341009Oh Laura, Y;know they had good story for her & it did run it's course but man during that time (when Kyle/yost wrote her) the protagonist syndrome was written all over her. And after her main arc was done they never were able to find a good dynamic/status quo or personality for her.
>>154341072And this is the last time Dani & Rahne interact until 2018 I think. The Yearbook implied that they Dani wanted to make up but nobody followed up on it ( I don't know if Weir & Defillips expected it to be followed up or it was they patched it as smoothly as they could without being able to use Rahne for some reason)
>>154341116I imagine that it would have been addressed if they'd been kept on the book but them getting removed and then like half of Kyle/Yost's run being about the Purifiers and Nimrod and Dani being written out meant there was no room for it.
>>154340998Scott was a massive pussy whipped faggot in these issues
>>154341116>>154341092I also realize that most of Wolfsbane long-term subplots kinda fizzle outHer retreating more & more in wolf form. Dropped (although this was more of an arc we were told about rather then seeing in story) Her increasingly apparent wild side? (getting mad at the sailor to nova roma, frost mind scanning her, running around with Catseye, etc) Also just droppedHer being stuck in werewolf form? Sorta anti-climatically fixed by Haven (member Haven?)Her not having her powers and more wild personality? Gone by this issueHer break-up with Dani? Also resolved off-panel& What the hell was up with her being in X-force? She just ate her dad and hooked up with Hrimari again and that's it. What was Kyle/Yost thinking? PAD somwhat salvaged that storyline however.
New X-Men is so nostalgic to me as it was one of the first comics I collected issue by issue, not the first but it was around that era I started actively reading. And I related to them a lot due to being their age at the time.
>>154340908Even now with all of the students alive and repowered thanks to Krakoa, they don't use any of them except Prodigy. Then they drag out Anole every Pride Month for his once a year cameo and thats it. Just all of that era has gone to waste, complete wasted potential.
>>154341160Tbh now I'm wondering what would have happened if PAD got Rahne & Dani for X-factor. If so that might have been the second time he used lesbians (one of which was a red-head) to cuck a guy called Rick (Rictor & Rick Jones do look similar)
>>154341235I wonder how Anole wasn't just lynched by Krakoa, since Y;know he released info on a mutant cure virus & Krakoa had the death penalty for that.
Issue 13Kind of weird that the Northstar tribute after his death in Enemy of the State got fobbed off to this book instead of Austen's since Austen was the guy who had been writing him.
>>154341287I mean Austen wrote that a kid would suicide bomb himself then be turned gay by NorthStar.I think that was the correct choice.
>>154341160Also the purifier arc is basically 12 issue story, divided intro 3 acts. Height of decompression.
>>154340908Yeah aside from Stepford Cuckoos, who were established before, they were into Armor for a while, and Pixie for a while, and thats it. and Match is like a background guy they like to shove.
>>154340908Man I miss retard helmet Pixie.
You know thinking of it, despite the fact everyone knew he was gay because the hinting was obvious and the writers had confirmed as much, I don't think Anole is ever outright stated to be gay in the comics themselves until around the time of Utopia.
>>154341453I think Anole still has the best outing as a gay.>Anole's gay!>NOBODY CARES!
>>154341482Nah, Rockslide outs him around issue 40, like a year before utopia.
>>154341482>I don't think Anole is ever outright stated to be gay in the comics themselves until around the time of Utopia.No he comes out near the end of the series. One of the Scottie Young issues.
>>154340966>>154341009Its funny that Wind Dancer was like the protagonist of this era of X-Teens, the one they wanted to push the most as having a future on one of the major X-Teams yet she's the one used least out of the team these days. In fact some other students on other teams are used more than her these days. She barely even made it out of Academy X as Laura took her place.
>>154341488Ah, right, I completely forgot that was near the end of the Kyle/Yost run and not Utopia. I would guess it's a meta joke too in that the readers had already long known so doing it on page is no big deal since it had been years.
>>154341116>( I don't know if Weir & Defillips expected it to be followed up or it was they patched it as smoothly as they could without being able to use Rahne for some reason)I assume her usage was limited as she was on X-Factor at the time.
>>154341511Hey at least she ended up better than Gen X's Husk. She was the bright early riser who one day dreamed of being a great leader and then became a cum dump.
>>154341072>>154341092>>154340988>>154340975Imagine this shit happening in 2026. Has this relationship ever been referenced again?
>>154341540Here's the thing, X-factor proper didn't start until after House of M, Yeah there was Marvel Knights' Madrox series but they both used Rahne at the same time.So I'm wondering if X-factor was not delayed to coincide with Decimation.It's possible since Madrox sets the series in Mutant town and it seems like that would be important but... welll... Decimation happens.
>>154341511I feel like even under DeFillipis and Weir, she was intended to be the POV character but quickly fell behind most of the others because she didn't really work as well in the central role. Maybe the stuff about her being a bad fit for leader was a kind of commentary on that.And at least she lived.
>>154341573Yeah, once during Krakoa but it was just a reference.
>>154341592It was when she went to ask the Five to ressurect her son but they told her no for some dumb reason (they couldn't verify he was actually dead)
>>154341586I mean she just didn't have much going on tbf. She just had a comically bad relation with her dad & the only thing noteworthy about that was trying to make a capitalist in Venezuela look bad, ah life pre Chavez.The evil dad thing was taken by Laurie's father.Josh had quite more potential in term of character development & dynamics with other charactersSo did Surge.So she just kinda faded into the background, I do think that the bad leadership thing was intended to be a character arc, tho.
>>154341482Evidently there was going to be a story were Anole committed suicide because of Hellion teasing him but they decided against that for obvious reasons.
>>154341574Part of it is they never had time to really do anything with it. She leaves in issue 12, then there's three more issues (one of them being the memorial for Northstar), then HoM and they're off the book. There was never a chance for them to deal with Rahne after #12.
>>154341671I like the DePhillips and Weird run but this part of book kind of had a problem where it felt like things were too safe. That would sure as fuck change but if you go look at what Gen X and New Mutants were doing in their earlier issues watching these dorks play lawn frisbee and go to prom really feels a bit toothless. I think if Laurie had to face some more real crises she could have developed betterr.
>>154341693I get it, it's just I don't think it's so much X-factor's fault (especially since PAD seems like a guy who would play ball if other writers wanted to use her for a bit) but moreso that they got kicked off before they could wrap it up properly and the Yearbook issue was their attempt to finish it as best as they could.
>>154341745Though I wonder if they were restricted from using Rahne in the Yearbook issue or they just didn't have enough space for it.
>>154341689That was very early on back when it was still New Mutants and Victor hadn't really been developed. They intentionally wanted to do an homage to that issue of New Mutants where Kitty befriends a mutant boy who commits suicide. But they backed off pretty quickly realizing it'd look bad and presumably would make Julian such a piece of shit that they wouldn't be able to use him the way they'd wanted to as the jerk with a heart type of character.
>>154341235Elixir too. After New X-Men, he was a big part of the Necrosha arc being Wither's rival. Then he was in X-Force for a while, and then part of the Five in Krakoa.
>>154341748Also would they have been able to use any Alpha Flight characters? I know they weren't regulars but if feels wrong to have a funeral for NorthStar and not even his sister shows up
>>154340442>>154340458>Making the mother of all omelets here Dani>Cant fret over a few million eggs
>>154341254Krakoa is a whole inconsistent mess.
>>154341235I feel bad for Anole because he no longer has no use. For 30 years Northstar was the gay one, and Karma was the lesbian. Then for the past 15 years Anole's role was "The other gay one" or "The younger gay one" and now since Krakoa, everyone's gay. So he's pointless.
>>154341453>>154341482Crazy to think this was gonna lead to his suicide.
>>154341814I'm using war as a business to end war as a business, Dani
>>154341482I remember back in the day it was confirmed in interviews rather than the comics. Because it was all hints. Then the hints became super obvious (He follows Wiccan and Hulkling for example) but yeah he never ever had an official outing moment.
>>154340964You know Scott was standing there all day maintaining that power stance
>>154341586I feel like everyone else on the team was simply more interesting. Winddancer felt very young adult novel protagonist. Which may have been intentional.
>>154341573I mean they handled it pretty well and the age gap is squarely in "Romeo and Juliet laws" territory. Nobody really was okay with it or swept it under the rug
>>154341726Yeah, I mean NM killed of (sorta) Karma in issue 6 (and before that her violation was all but shown)Then by issue 26 (equivelent to this one we are on) they had allready had the demon bear arc and Siekwinz was powering through.Can't remember much of Gen X so I can't compare it there.
Issue 14>>154341726I mean this was sort of the point. The students of the time weren't really in a life or death situation the way earlier generations were so there was no sense of urgency in sending them out into the field to fight villains. Also the book was a product of the Jemas era where Marvel was experimenting with different genres and types of books and NM/AX was a teen drama first, superhero book distant second. It wasn't created to have them fight world ending threats but to try and grab a younger audience that was into those types of shows.And it did work. I posted the sales numbers from NM and NXM in a previous thread and the sales no matter what would consistently settle into the mid-30k range, even the retool under Kyle and Yost got into that range more or less but slightly slower and was then benefitted by event tie-ins in the final year. So the book seemed to do what it was intended to do, brought in a new readership whow as incredibly loyal to these characters no matter what and it was kind of pissed away. I'd argue the grimdark retooling wasn't necessary either.
>>154341834The annoying thing is that Anole being gay wasn't the major part of his character. He was tertiary under DeFillipis and Weir but under Kyle and Yost his duo with Rockslide was his main thing and that didn't require him being gay. Being gay was a part of his character but it wasn't the main thing which I think is why people liked him. Then in their attempt to feel more diverse he became The Gay One and that wound up killing a lot of what people enjoyed about him just to turn him into another character you're supposed to put on a pedestal because he checks X or Y box.
>>154341116>Dani & Rahne interact until 2018 I thinkI don't even think they interacted until Krakoa iirc since I think they don't interact in New Mutants dead souls or after Cyclops rescues them from ONE and before Rahne dies
>>154341946Well tbf I don't think either the New Mutants or Gen X were suppose to go out in the field, it's just usually they found themselves in bad circumstances/villains came after them/they wanted to help with something or needed to accomplish something that brought them into conflict.In fact this is the only series the students are technically training to be x-men, sorta.
>>154342011Nah they interact in Dead Souls, but Dani is under the techno organic virus.They interact again (or at least are in the same group/same page) in Rosenberg's uncanny run which followed shortly after Dead Souls. THough I don't remember if they directly talk with each other
>>154341834Anole at least had his bro Rockslide.
>>154341482Man remember when a character coming out was something that was built up, had emotional stakes and wasn't just another character forcing them at gun point
>>154341903The thing is, even in that respect Laurie was much better in that role. Sofia was better off as being everyone's wingman and the person who tries to lift everyone's spirits even if she herself is feeling down or moody. In fact you could have made a thing about how she puts everyone before herself to her own detriment.
>>154341726They were definitely trying to appeal to teens and the teen drama fan crowd and I don't think it worked because I don't think the teenage comic reader and the teen drama watcher overlap that much. Its just a theory but I also think the heavy focus on slice of life/school life was due to the success of Harry Potter. Xavier's Institute also falls into that "special school" category and the different teams are like their version of Hogwarts houses. I think they saw all the Harry Potter fans wishing they were at Hogwarts and imagining life there and were like "Hey we also have a special school thats an escapist fantasy, lets focus on that"
>>154342020Yeah but those were still created and written to be superhero books first and foremost as opposed to this one.
>>154341946Yeah I loved NMAX at the time because I was also around their age at the time so I related to them and their millennial issues. I always wondered what team I'd be put on.
>>154341689Probably the right choice, I don't think he could come back as a character after that despite him literally just coming back after a stint as a racist serial killer it's okay he was brainwashed and they were all local government officials
>>154341945>Can't remember much of Gen X so I can't compare it there.Gen X was weird. They got side swiped by an event right out the gate so most people's first real interactions with them were their AoA counterparts who all died. The first issue had them fight who would become their arch enemy Emplate, they were doing stuff with Gen Nation in New Work, they had a run in with Orphan Maker. They were busy. >>154341946>I mean this was sort of the point. I get that. I just don't know that it always made for the most exciting comic. You don't have to be as grim or melancholic as the other books were but you could still have them get up to some more upbeat super hero shenanigans. Not life or death but maybe some more urgency.
>>154342061Didn't Bling essentially guilt trip Mercury into a relationship on Krakoa?
>>154342141I think it was before that but yes. It was complete BS
>>154342141No, that was well before Krakoa during the mid-2010s. Krakoa is where Loa was randomly turned gay and put with Mercury so Spurrier (I think it was) could do a story about how Loa literally reduces Mercury to a puddle when they fuck.This generation really has been fucked with so much.
>>154342141I thought it was Pixie using her powers on them>>154342048>Nah they interact in Dead SoulsDo they? Rahne is running around with Illyana and co while Dani is off getting taken over by Warlock and the two groups don't share a page until the final couple pages I think.
>>154341946>product of the Jemas era where Marvel was experimenting with different genres and types of booksChrist, they need to try this again, shit may not have been perfect there were plenty of stinkers (Trouble for example) but you can't say things weren't at least consistently interesting
>>154342124With Gen X it's just they didn't have a stand out story to remember (like Demon bear or even the suicide issue) or a long running plot or enemy group (like the hellions or later the MLF) so the plot kinda just became a blur until very late (Ellis run) and I mostly just remember the character work
>>154342204It's not that I have any real issue with gay characters. Not really. but I swear in that era they outed so many characters it feels like more gay characters existed in one book than did in the history of mankind.
>>154342238It's tragic how they handled Gen X. They went to so much effort to set them up in Phalanx Covenant and then basically just tossed them out.
>>154342222Yeah, it's literally the last issue they interact. Again it's when dani is under the control of the techno-organic virus so you can debate how much of an interaction it is but yeah they do
>>154342275I mean Lobdell can write characters & their interactions & dynamics but he is writing by the seat of his pants & needs a push to write a big story.Hama, I just don;t know why but he didn't click at all.The later runs Helfer (I think that's his name) & Ellis had a better direction but it was just too little too late.
>>154342254And then they were all fucking. They turned this era into an orgy.
>>154342370>Hama, I just don;t know why but he didn't click at all.Hama was pissed to be there.
>>154342254The issue I have is more how flippantly it's done. With a character like Loa, okay fine. Her one bit of romantic relevance prior to that was dating Elixir but nothing was really done with that either. Her character's supposed to be laid back so she's the type of "go with the flow" person and is just casually bi, then fine I can live with that.But characters like Prodigy and Mercury had so much of their stories tied up in their romantic relationships and pining for members of the opposite sex that just going "Actually they're gay now" is insulting to both the characters and the readers and shows utter contempt for both from the writer and laziness as well because if you're going to make a change that big, make a story out of it. An actual story about how and why these characters come to this point.
>>154342391I don't know if we covered that issue here yet, we might have, but there was one issue of this very book where Dani tries to set up Xian with the resident coffee lesbo and Karma's actually kind of offended by it because just because she's gay doesn't mean she needs to shipped with literally the only other gay person you know. Gays can be single.
>>154342395Is there any evidence for this? Like an interview or something like that?
>>154342433The one that chuffs me up is Nico from Runaways now being cool with kissing Karolina. Nico was very straight and it was kind of a big part of their relationship that nico doesn't return karolina's feelings but they're still friends. It's treated like they're correcting some great long standing injustice for the retarded shippers and it sucks.
>>154342254Like I said earlier, there was no buildup or emotional stakes to it, no humanity, just a bunch of hacks wanting to write a perpetual Pride Parade in a little sandbox. Probably the greatest failure of the Krakoa era you have Ewing and Gillen TRYING while everyone around them is just writing absolute drek for themselves and their five self inserting fans
>>154342489Nico's thing was that she basically threw herself at whoever she could to feel safe (basically) i could see maybe deciding to be with Karolina in a very stresfull situation but yeah they aren;t going to be an ideal couple.
>>154342546Blob I don't think that car's suspension can handle you
>>154342509Also Percy just making Beast evil 'cause why not and just undermining the whole premise of his book. It's not that wetwork is inherently immoral or easily leads to immorality, Hank was just a bad seed.
>>154342533I said it when storytiming Runaways but they need to just reveal that Nico has Borderline Personality Disorder something.
>>154342568Shit Just Happens. It's the biggest issue of modern comics, very little builds off of what came before instead hacks just come in, throw everything in the room around then fuck off after five to ten issues (remember when it was six to twelve) to let someone else clean up the mess. The fact that Ewing and McKay do the bare fucking minimum (and I say this as fans of their works) and get praised to high heaven shows how bad things are right now. Marvel Editorial is a fucking joke, a really unfunny one
Issue 15
Oh it should be mentioned, Amara teaching at the school is another thing that was killed by House of M. DeFillipis and Weir still intended to use her afterwards when they thought they were still writing the book after HoM.
>>154342770Just wanted to say that there is a rumor that Weir & Defillips weren't told they were off the books & they learned via a media annoucement but this is wrong. I've interacted with them on twitter and they've refuted this. Marvel did tell them
>>154342786Shan is kinda being a dick here for no reason
>>154342786Good god Rhaine's packing heat
>>154342861Eh it's banter, like how can you not talk shit when you see your buddy rooting around in a dumpster
>>154342844Then that seems like a story that's been changed or something because I distinctly remember them saying on their Comixfan forum back in the day that they in fact did not learn about it until it was announced.Still, it'd be interesting to get an actual interview or Q&A and hear them talk some more about this series.
>>154342905Both the spanish artists (Medina here and Carlo Barberi in New Mutants) gave her giant boobs. I preferred how Michael Ryan drew her though. His girls were cuter.
>>154342907If I can find the interaction I'll post it here, but yeah they said they were informed.
So Weir and WeirRINGO AREN'T the same person?
>>154342971Why would they be? Their names aren't even the same.
>>154342905I mean this doesn't look very in character for shan who was sorta the uptight parent figure.Especially when Rahne departed from the academy on quite bad terms.I just see it as kicking someone while they are down (and Shan apologize for it so the text agrees with me)
>>154342989They're half the same. Just seems they have very similar styles. Getting some real F4 vibes.
>>154342971this reminded me of when united got announced and someone thought that Al Ewing was writing but it was actually Eve
>>154343023Christina Weir is the co-writer and is married to the other half of the writing team Nunzio DeFillipis. The artist for these last two issues is Paco Medina who I think is most famous for drawing Boobilee in the post-Civil War New Warriors series and most recently was the main artist on Slott's Spider-Boy series.
>>154343084Well I feel foolish.
>>154340691Thanks Obama!
>>154341203Like I said when I started this whole thing, nostalgia for this general era of comics is why I'm doing this and yeah, this was one of the first series I was really buying myself so I'm always going to like it. Teenager me waifued Laurie hard because oh look she was the pretty but shy girl who just needed a boy to tell her she was great AND IT WOULD HAVE BEEN ME IF I WERE THERE DAMMIT.
That finishes things up for today but I'll hold off a little bit on finishing up the DeFillipis/Weir run. Instead, next time it's back to the Spider side of things with Araña #1-4.
>>154342449Its crazy how Marvel in the 2000s actually got gay representation right with the likes of Anole, introducing Hulkling and Wiccan. Then it just went off the deep end in the 2010s. Now Hulkling and Wiccan only get paraded in pride issues where they're drawn like complete and utter twinks.
>>154342433Also who they're dating is all over the place. Characters straight up dropped from writer to writer. No reason for their break up either. Like that's happened to Iceman twice, and Anole three times. They'll get with someone then by the next writer they're with someone else. But no story of their break up or how they got with that person.
>>154342478>>154342465I've always found this artist a little weird, with the big noses.
>>154342509I feel bad for Hickman because Krakoa was only meant to be part one of a long running storyline, and was only meant to last a year or two, and was not meant to be a good thing. Then Marvel changed all that
>>154343307Karolina as well is fine. The thing with these characters is that there was more to them than being gay and even when being gay is absolutely core to their character it's done in way that still makes for good storytelling. Karolina being gay parallels her being an alien which ties into the actual core conflict of her character which is how she feels like an abnormal freak confused about what she is and all the resulting anxiety that comes with it.Gay characters now tend to just be "they're gay, yay" and they're all super-confident and super-awesome and have no doubt or other defining characteristics. WIccan is Heinberg's self-insert and when you are writing a character that is actually more one dimensional than a self-insert you have a problem.
>>154342805The attempt at writing a Scottish accent is pretty cringe.
>>154342929The faces are kinda meh but they bring the booba and bunda
>>154342872"Blob attacks the school" is such a classic go-to.
>>154342972Is that green guy meant to be Anole and they accidentally give him hair? Or is it generic green guy background character, or is it the lighting?
>>154343459Writing accents has always been lame and I suspect this is why they did the whole thing about her hiding her accent. It was going to look and be too goofy.
>>154343404I used to but looking back I don't anymore. Man is the epitome of what I'm talking about, he's pure "Things Just Happen", he's everything wrong with Modern Marvel, ignoring decades of semi consistent characterization and lore to fit the characters into his story and not the other way around. And now they're giving him another fucking universe to half build for failure
>>154343621Hickman has no interest in any of his ideas beyond the idea. He likes coming up with the idea, he likes presenting the idea via the opening arc of what he writes, he likes the feeling of "wow, I thought this up isn't that cool?" But once the idea is out there he loses interest very quickly. Krakoa got so out of control because he allowed it to meander around in wheel spinning mode which happens with all of his other books too. Including Ultimate Spider-Man. He did his "wow, married and older Spider-Man!?" thing, got the dopamine hit, then got bored and dicked around until it was time to end it. Hickman sucks.
>>154343409It kinda helps that writers back then were allowed to make mistakes, they can get shit wrong even if their hearts were in the right place but without Twitter they're more then likely gonna get corrected by a friend or someone on their side if they write something cringe. Now a days you'll have no shortage of freaks coming out the woodwork to dab on you
>>154343409>is that there was more to them than being gay and even when being gayYeah was, when Hulkling and Wiccan were on Young Avengers for example. When was the last time they did something that wasn't just gay slice of life shit? All they are now is "gay" and they're only exclusively drawn by gay artists weirdly. The only time they appear is in June. Pic related. An entire issue of them being gay on the beach.
>>154343704Yeah the second they give a gay character a flaw its "problematic writing". Which is why they never take risks with them now and just do fluff comics.
>>154343682And fuckers eat it up, hell I admit it I did too back during his FF and Avengers days, Krakoa pulled the scales off my eyes though. I'm hoping with Imperial and Ult Spiderman more people are waking up to his hackery but we'll see once Midnight drops
>>154343621Thats where his sort of grand sweeping changes or the status quo style of writing should be though. In separate universes where he dictates the canon.
>>154343682Thats why I liked the Ultimate Universe though. It was a containment zone for people like him to fuck around and do what they want.
>>154343788And he still botched it, though granted that's more on Marvel than him. Seriously whoever though of the real time gimmick needs to be fired. That shit made the new Ult Universe dead on arival
>>154343833It ended up with the same problem that old Ultimate ended up having. Being different for the sake of being different.
>>154343857>It ended up with the same problem that old Ultimate ended up having. Being different for the sake of being different.But that was the strength's of the Ultimate Universe why do this alt universe if you're just gonna do the same shit but "modern"
>>154343707Well yeah, all the LGBT characters have had every bit of characterization to them that's not being a ay flag bearer stripped away from them. The situation, as a reader, is honestly more insulting than it was 15 or 20 years ago. Writers were worried about making stereotypes and focused instead on fleshing out the other aspects of the character. Nowadays being a stereotype is the point and not being one is considered insulting. It's like how X-Men fans now have rejected Xavier's integrationist philosophy and embraced Magneto's separatist extremist beliefs. Being the stereotype is what they want now.
>>154343788>>154343938I think the biggest issue with old Ultimate was edgy for the sake of edgy. It was peak 2000s overly edginess.
>>154342786Jaime cameo spottedGod, I miss this era of X-Factor.I miss this era period.Thanks for the storytimes as always, OP.
>>154340922>HavokHe also beat his brother Vulcan, someone that can trade punch and put against the ropes at guys like Black Bolt. Alex Summers is basically the definition of wasted potential.
>>154345348I suspect Havok gets hate from the current X-Men fans who see him as an Uncle Tom (always a weird term, Tom died escaping from slavery in the book) because of his working for the government in X-Factor for so long and the Uncanny Avengers stuff. What is he even doing now besides being a walking penis for Maddy?
>>154340387bump, gonna catch up on the ones I missed first though
>>154340387nooo stop storytiming good comics when i cant read themcould you do this every other or every three days?
>>154341142I think people are being unfair to Josh after this whole Rahne debacle.
>>154345897>What is he even doing now besides being a walking penis for Maddy?>Got over getting Inverted off screen, >Mostly as he ended up in the Hellions for beating a robber half to death.>Died sometime during Krakoa then resurrected by Maddie as some sort of revenant>Recovered from that off screen and joined up with a US government sponsored X-Factor team that was also a reality TV show
>>154347380Oh and he has a schizo on this board obsessed with hating him
>>154343225>who just needed a boy to tell her she was great AND IT WOULD HAVE BEEN ME IF I WERE THERE DAMMIT.lmao basedme i was just gawking at pixie and the insane action on utopia/messiah trilogy erayou gonna storytime whats arguably the last book of the line, avengers academy?
>>154342929>His girls were cuter.nothing berats bruscema rahne
>>154341631Did Elixir ever bring that animosity towards Wolverine ever again? Also his relationship with Dani was neat. Shame it died after this book ended.
>>154340431in hindsight xavier trolled the fuck our of dave with this fantasy
>>154340419A black man as president? Crazy
>>154342014Dani looks like Nani from Lilo & Stitch here. And with another improved set of bazongas.
>>154342061Because catching the gays back in the day had a bigger social stigma than today and you needed to made this tear jerker stories to justify why the character needed to be gay.
>>154340950did this guydraw other xcomics? i love his style
>>154340988>how rough things have been since her mother diedscott...
>>154341116>And this is the last time Dani & Rahne interact until 2018 I thinkhol the fuck updont they exchange lines in events?>>154341185god what a ruined character
>>154341453has he ever camo'd again
>>154347306They sort of are but it's mostly David and Laurie and it Kevin may have embellished or fudged things to make Josh look worse because he's a dick.
>>154343409What you don't seem to grasp is the current characterizations of queer characters is an over correction to this same thing you are praising. They don't want to write them in a super dramatic way anymore. And that is not just talking about comics but almost all the media made about gay and lesbian couples from the late 80's to the early 2010's.
>>154348145He was moved from this book to Claremont's New Excalibur book and from there was the artist for Whedon's Runaways arc and did the Manifest Destiny Iceman/Mystique story, and I think that's about the last real work of his I can find. Even with spot stuff he seems to have disappeared after like 2011.
>>154347391How you can hate someone that is basically the definition of nothingburger? lmao
>>154348145He's mediocre. You're only thinking this because the other artists have been abysmally bad.
>>154348485>hol the fuck up>dont they exchange lines in events?They don't really participate in the same eventsDani is depowered and leaves the X-Men until Young X-Men and New Mutants 2009Meanwhile Rahne was on the X-Force wetworks team and then she moved over to X-Factor to have her babyBoth of which kept her isolated from the New Mutants reunion and their participation in the events at that time (Utopia, Necrosha, Second Coming, etc)Once the New Mutants and X-Factor books both ended they each wound up in limbo for years, only having random guest appearances, until the New Mutants Dead Souls mini ended with them both infected by the techno organic virus and captured by some government goonThey got freed by Cyclops and Wolverine during Rosenberg's Uncanny X-Men after all the other mutants disappeared into Age of X-ManAnd then Rahne got killed by some random humansThey hung out a lot during Krakoa at least
>>154349668>>154348485Slight correction, Rahne first join X-factor 2006 then X-force 2008 then goes back to X-factorTechnically Wolfsbane & Dani were in the same event at the same place, Utopia in Necrosha but they never intersected, that could have happened off-screen I guess but uh, they would have a lot to talk aboutAlso there is this bizzare thing where monet & Dani interact during nation x which I'm 75% was written for Dani & Rahne.
>>154343404>>154343621>>154343682>>154343750Remember when Hickman brought Wolfsbane back after her death in UXM and y'know that dying & being resurrected especially for a religous person, might be quite an important event that shakes up their worldview and personality but his just said "nah I'm not gonna explore that at all"Even writers during the mid 2010's dark ages when they brought Nightcrawler back knew they should address that.
>>154345348I mean Alex has the problem that he is just a bit too similar to Scott, something pointed out a lot in-universe. So a lot of Havok's stuff is dismissed as Cyclops on a budget, then Age of Apocalypse happened, which was popular & writers decided to import his characterization from there, no matter how little sense that made (that characterization being evil scott) so yeah, he is just stuck in his brother's shadow
>>154341172the dad kinda looks like Prince Lacroix from VtMB
>>154341203same, this kid a year older than me would lend me a box of comics a week from his collection and New XMen, Runaways etc were some of the first ones I read. A bit after that I got into the original New Mutants to see their origins (would love a storytime of that)
>>154347767Isnt' this Jan Duursema?Yeah she was quite good on X-facotr.
>>154350972Who also has mind control powers.Y'know it's weird that they had the whole X-men vs Vampire thing in 2010 but Wolfsbane, a werewolf, wasn't used.Logan was but even then he just got captured.
>>154341370damn that's some serious trauma for a character this smart to keep believing in his visions despite multiple people telling him they're not necessarily accurate
>>154351002There's no telling if they are accurate or not since neither Moonstar or Frost had prophecy powers! it could have been 1% change of it happening or 99%.That's why I harp on the fact that they gave him PTSD over not-wait they stopped him from being gay for the time being, so it all evens out.Still this is why I dislike Dani here, she's just the moral authority who is able to go one-on-one with WOlfsbane in her werewolf form, no loses, no doubt. That's why I kinda enjoyed it when she got kicked out of the school 'cause of Decimation, knock her down a peg.
