>"For the past and the future."
Bump if you're reading.
Ok so Marvel straight up just not resolving the multiple Ultimates and Cosmic beings raining from the sky in Ultimate Invasion
>"Every day, I look for another reason to hope for a better future."
>>154366056Good for Reed 6160. If The Maker needs to vent, he can go after Susan 15513.
>>154366083This shit blows lol
Wow.That was a lot of loud stupid garbage.
>>154366074>Maker is deadI refuse to believe that until Miles Morales follows suit.
>>154366056>>154366062>>154366074>>154366080>>154366083This is awful.
>>154366170Keep her away from Miles Morales, Benom.
>>154365966Oh so he finally appears.
>>154366000Why does this look like that Last of Us meme?
>>154366151Well I'm sure Benom has great intentions with her sneaking out without her parents knowing.
And that's it. If you liked these, support your LCS or whatever.
ultimate cringe
>>154366482>solarpunk shit Just when I thought Camp couldn't get any more lame.
>>154366519Victor von Doom of 6160 should psyop the entirety of 1610 into hating Miles Morales.
>>154366170>the final ultimate spider-man story is how mj and peter are bad parentsWhat the fuck?>>154366256>>154366432Well, at least this had some kind of ending if even if I don't care.>>154366348>despite them saying they'll never be the x-men for years peach made them the x-menThis is shit.>>154366519Easily the worst one. Glad this shitshow is finally over.
>>154366496>Ultimate Richards’ last piece of dialogue: REEEEEEEEE
>>154366462He has the butt cape thing now.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHLMAOOOOOOOOO
>>154365908>So much potential wastedYou know camp calling out how fucking stupid this is doesn't make it not fucking stupid
>>154366496Hank Pym really was wasted, like they didn't let him do fucking ANYTHING except summon some bugs against Hulk and shit on himself plus his 616 counterpart because of course
>>154366690No, bro, that makes it deep and thoughtful. Haven't you seen Scream?
>>154366638>>the final ultimate spider-man story is how mj and peter are bad parents>What the fuck?They're trying to make them heels for the babyface multiverse refugees who would come from their universe with Miles as the taxi.
>>154366000>>154366056Under better circumstances this would've been a great and ambitious medium-savvy payoff. It's frustrating because I can see how this could've worked better.
>>154366754Hi Deniz, go fuck yourself!
>>154366083SThank God this shit is over forever
>>154366754>Under better circumstancesYeah, the better circumstances being Camp having more writing skill. 4th wall breaks are indeed cute, but everything else surrounding them didn't give them enough power to land. Everyone was already primed to accept nothing here matters since time travel will fix it anyway. For an universe-ending event this felt incredibly uneventful.
>>154366761When you go in too hard, it's not as fun, anon. If you get too low brow it stinks of falseflag when in reality, Endgame had a lot of problems. This is definitely one of Camp's worst, if not the worst, but Finale pulls it up a bit for me. Endgame was a mistake and the fact that the trades for it won't even have Finale in them is insane to me. Another thing, why did Cover As show Hisako coming back to join in the fight? I can't remember her actually showing up in any way, it's just Mei getting distracted by Storm and helping out with the rest of the girls.
>>154366051Wait really? That's the makers villain origin? He was a cuck? This is who everyone here wanna as such a great villainOh noOh no no no no no
Alright, final recap and moment to point out all the plot holes this junk left:>we never really knew what even caused the time loop Kang was talking about in Endgame #3>and Doom really was the saviour like Star-Lord claimed>so where the fuck did things go wrong?>did Ultron-82 and the Guardians of the Galaxy break the loop with their interference?>did Thor break it with Ragnarok?>or did Doom break it when he altered reality to save everyone from Hulk?>which one was it, Camp? They all contradict what Kang stated>hell, in any of these cases, he should've ceased to exist the moment any of these events happened>now an even bigger question:>if The Maker was observing the Ultimates the whole time through Doom, how did he not learn that he infused himself with the powers of the Fantastic Four? Did his spy-eye thing need a recharge?>only Peter was saved, which means that either:>Marvel twisted Camp's arm for killing him>or Camp and Hickman tried to pull a "ha ha, actually Spider-Man means everything and the Maker was full of shit" and failed miserably at it>Mysterio governing New York went completely unaddressed>the stupid fucking chuds from UPB #24 went completely unaddressed>Emma went unaddressed>the Japanese portion of the Maker's Council went unaddressed by both Peach *and* Camp>the Hisako plotline was just an excuse to get the girls on Endgame and meant nothing>Amano meant nothing>the Japanese Dazzler rip-off meant nothing>and Wolverine just ended, nobody cares>oh, and have a look at plotlines nobody wants to read, such as evil Luke Cage and the real Kang showing up>but hey, at least America got her girlfriend back, which puts her leagues above Mei and her failed romance>and apparently, Victor just somehow eluded the Maker the whole time while nobody was paying attention(1/2)
>>154366891>Mei and her failed romanceWho was mei romancing
>>154366891After this, I don't wanna hear praises about Peach and Hickman being these "super-smart writers that are better than every other capeshit author." They're just as much to blame for this mess as Camp is.If Hickman fucked up USM like this, I don't even want to see the mess that will be Midnight X-Men. Only PKJ can carry that universe.(2/2)
>>154366932I kinda want to see Kamen rider spider-man
>>154365974Weren't they children in Ultimates? How did Wanda start looking like she's in her 20s or something?
>>154366051>dumped by girlfriend Seriously? That's just unfair to the Maker. They dismissed his entire past so easily.
>>154366974I mean it's not wrong. He's an incel who got cucked and decided he was an enlightened reddit mod and made it everyone else's problems.
>>154366974>Oh no he's being unfair to the incel cuck villainAnyway
>>154366932Nobody was saying that Peach is super smart at writing, just that UXM was above the rest in quality, and Finale still proves that. You know that though and this is hyperbole for bants, that's fine. Hickman's Midnight run is already being seen as the lesser of the three starters and it hasn't even come out yet. He has to work his ass off if he wants to let go of the reputation he has now, and I don't think Midnight X-Men has a good enough premise for anybody to stick that landing.
>>154367009Probably because mutants vs vampires happens like every other year in marvel books
>>154365948>>154366074Two questions. Were Spider-Man (undone) and Captain America the only causalities of the fight? If Peter never went, would anything have changed?
>>154366056>>154366062How does this work? The body is lying right there, but they're able to see the ghosts? What?
>>154367027No, Captain America is still dead.
>>154366638>What the fuck?No don't you get it! The one thing everyone actually wanted was really bad the whole time! You were wrong for wanting this over the 616 comic.
>>154366910Hisako but she was too stupid to ask her out on a date.
>>154366532>If you liked these, support your LCS or whatever.I'll support my LCS but I'm buying some Absolutes.
>>154366532Thanks for the storytime.>>154366891For all the criticisms the Ultimate line has faced and rightfully deserved, the overlooked one is crossovers. I'm not saying it should have been a regular thing but it should have happened at least once with each book. I mean, the majority of the "main" heroes don't even know each other.
>>154367090Mei wanted miles bbc
>>154366333LASER FLOOF
have skipped the last issues, what happened to traitor wasp and antman?
>>154367258Wasp was a triple agent working for Jim Hammond who had traveled back in time and become the Vision the whole time
Thanks OPIt sucked but thanks
>>154366163Well we all know what happens when Felicia goes to Europe, guess that means Richard would find a new Girlfriend.
>>154366158>>154366158Why is Richard not playing Marvel Rivals?
>>154366974His first comic appearance had him with his head being dunked in a toilet. he was always a joke.
>>154366074What was even the point of putting ult Peter in this event? Why even kill him off in the first place?
>>154367470>>154366998>>154366987Are you forgetting that the whole reason he was ignoring Sue was because Thanos had him under his mind control?
>>154365956Maker calling them retards for sending only four people against him
>>154365885I have never seen an alternate universe implode this badly before. The old Ultimate universe took years before Ulitmates 3 and Ultimatum ruined everything.
>>154366532No. Just no. Let this universe die already.
>>154365885Camp sucks ass.
>>154366532Sounds like a threat.
>>154367027>Were Spider-Man (undone) and Captain America the only causalities of the fight?Seems so.>If Peter never went, would anything have changed?Nope.
The Maker’s Dad should have beat him more.
>>154366117Ultimate Shocker?
>>154366333BEST GIRL IS HERE
>>154366283>Keep her away from Miles MoralesThe monkey's paw curls a finger...
>>154367748But that's not Kanon?
>>154367678What's with the captions?
>>154366699i don't remember, was U-82 ever confirmed to be a creation of Hank's? i remember Pym saw his mistakes from other worlds in the first issue and that kept him from becoming Ant-Man at first, and iirc Ultron was the main one, so is U-82's existence suggesting that Pym eventually got over it and tried to make Ultron? does the "82" part imply he tried 81 other times?
>>154367009Yeah out of the entire line hickman and camp got the most criticism and rightly so considering hickman had a easy layup to make a good spider-man story and camp couldn’t leave his political ideology subdued
>>154365885The ending was okay, not bad but not great either
>>154365888bump lets see how bad this gets
>>154365917>I WILL FIX ITSure you will, Superboy Prime
>>154366117>>154367682Ultimate Ringer since it matches his powerset
>>154367848>Ctrl f Paul>0 results>pic reply insteadWhat in the christian funeral for some secular jew is this?
>>154367682>>154366117>>154368074Strikeback, AKA Anthony Davis, AKA Ringer.
>>154366508none of these glimpses are very interesting ideas since it just seems to be either Cosmic jank or conflict between the Ultimates, im not sure Camp really had any more ideas to go off on the series anyway
>>154366532Not if I meet you first
>>154367563New Universe maybe, but even then, I think that just gets forgotten more than anything else
>>154367437
>>154368251He's gone somewhere better, anon
>>154368281>paul fags are so lazy they can't edit words
>>154367682Its Ringer.
>>154366873Yeah, that was it.Reed proposes to Sue, Sue rejected and broke up with him because she wanted to go be a slut and get dicked down around the world. Not a joke, its literally her excuse, she wanted to be a slut like Johnny. Bendis then turned Reed turns into a neet, depressed at home. Then Reed blows up his house, killing his parents and sister, and just spergs out.Hickman picks that plot point up to turn him into the Maker.
>>154368405Again, why are you ignoring Thanos?
>>154366074Save the spider, save the world.
>>154368528Ultimate Thanos is punk ass bitch who doesn't deserve to be acknowledged.
>>154368541That doesn't change the lore, anon.
>>154368591Not a word I said was inaccurate.
>>154368654No, but it is misleading. Sue and Reed's break up had an actual cause.
>>154368405I mean Maker is a proper cuck who fucked Sue with Ben's semen so
>>154368121That grave is empty.
>>154366348Can’t believe nico let mei keep that stupid name
>>154366080Tony, why are you bullying yourself? If anything Kang should be happy.>>154366754This. Just have Kang say something like each cycle is slightly different or closer to that dreamed but unachievable victory, because otherwise what was the point of "I know things beat by beat" if you aren't going to show how or what changed everything? All that "everything is set" makes the whole thing feel nonsensical.Doom can be justified that he had a mental link to the Maker.>>154366974Maker being dumped has become such a meme everyone takes it as pure fact, I guess.
>>154365935They really made the Maker the most boring possible version of himself for the final boss. Fucking depressing.
>>154368251>>154368281DC just forgot to take part in giving the secular jew his christian funeral too. Maybe in the next collab or after.
>>154368299Let me show you HOW!!! IT'S!!!! DONE!!!!!
>>154368755The fallen secular jew became a christian in our hearts and that's what truly matters.
>>154368714Still not inaccurate. Not a word was a lie. And no lore was changed. Ultimate Thanos remains a punk ass bitch no one cares about.Keep sperging, loser.
HICKMANWILL RETURN
>>154368822Again, it is misleading. You're keeping vital information out. Thanos brainwashed Reed.
>>154368809No, what truly matters is the very generous life insurance policy Paul Rabin took out the day before his "death", to be paid out to his conveniently heretofore unmentioned identical twin brother Luap Rabin. It paid extra because Paul was "killed" by a supervillain.
>>154366974But that is literally his origin story. Ultimate Sue dumped him (regardless of whether it was justified or not or made her look shallow or not) and as a direct result he flew into an autistic fit and murdered his little sister. It was Bendis of all people who wrote it, and subtlety is not his strong suit.
>>154368851Sorry, but Putin is christian so I guess he already decided on how to bury the victims of Poland in the second coming of Holocaust after finding out about someone's funeral in a comics.
>>154368871>a third anon disregarding the months of brainwashing that reed went under causing him to become distant and abusive
>>154366519I fail to believe that the Maker just couldn't find Victor
>>154368871Bendis didn't write them breaking up. That was Joe Pokaski.
>>154367141And the one crossover that DID happen was a legit waste because it didn't make a lick of sense with there respective stories
>>154367141>the overlooked one is crossoversThis is the one that gets me. They set up this whole world. They make the UIltimates a literal worldwide team that can airdrop anywhere at any time. I get each story, otherwise, is tied to a continent but there are infinite teleporting mcguffins. There's the page showing the cast before every book, which each character having a logo associated that NEVER, not ONCE gets used to show other characters from other books appearing outside of Endgame.Then they do have a crossover, just a single one, and it's the worst book in the line-up (impressive) and literally does not fit in with the other books whatsoever and is literally ignored. Not to mention it's a crossover with someone from 616 which is bad enough. I'd have taken a proper 1610 crossover before 616. The OG Ultimates are still out there hunting Makers, they could've helped.
...why do I get the feeling that Camp was reheating Snyder's nachos? I'm getting multiple story beats of DC K.O. from this.Also, was it really needed for Maker to get wanked to the point he can break the 4th wall just so that the Beyonder would struggle against him?
>>154366532The HELL does that mean!?
>>154368919But that could have gone anywhere. Bendis is the one who said "How's Reed gonna take getting dumped? By murdering his little sister and becoming GigaHitler!". It was actually really controversial at the time because it so against Ultimate Reeds previous characterization. Like there's "taking a breakup badly" and there's "Disregard all previously held beliefs and murder the one person you loved more than anyone else.". Then Hickman got him with no real guidelines or canon to go on from Bendis other than "An evil Reed Richards" and basically invented the entire "Maker" character from scratch.
>>154366519REMEMBER TO PREORDER YOUR DOOMSDAY TICKETS, TRUE BELIEVERS!
>>154366690Which is insane because the time skipping was HIS idea, it's so fucking annoying seeing this dumb fuck keep pointing at it, like motherfucker you made the sandwich
>>154369092Camp is, was, and has always been a bad writer. The art was distracting you.
I would mock this whole thing if I didn't fear that the Absolute lineup will end the same way
>>154369101What art? Most of the artwork of the Ultimate line has being varying levels of forgettable especially when put beside the Absolute line
>>154369092It’s hilarious that hickman and camp were given the highest praise in the beginning and now are receiving the biggest criticism
>>154366083That's two years of time I'm not getting back
I fucking called itI knew Ultimate was confirmed to be pure slop when Ms America showed up and I was right.
>>154368917It's the same level of stupidity as him somehow not knowing where Wakanda was
>>154366491So the emperor is the remining guy from the council. He didn't do much, so I guess that confirms it.
>>154366891You're forgetting EVERYTHING with the DeCostas and their Evil X-Men academy that we never actually saw, I'm so glad people are finally acknowledging how dogshit UXM is, so much of it was aimless wheel spinning
>>154369171>he thinks camp has only ever written ultimate
>>154366333My chud son I love.
>X-Men>Ultimates>Spider-Man>Black Panther>Wolverine>Incursion I still don't know where to put Endgame.
>>154366042>>154366044>>154366056Literally the only good thing from this fucking dogshit, glad Reed Doom got to get the finishing blow
>>154366974Maker shills fucking Miles Morales. Kill off that fraud at the very least unless he wants to share him with fucking Mephisto which makes even more of a jobber than he already is.
>>154365885this shit is still going? why?
>>154366333My woke daughter I hate.
I'll miss Natsu.
>>154369464I've only read his Marvel work and AMM
>>154366348Can’t kanon is dead
>>154366056Why are they all smiling like that?
Will Momoko return for Ultimate X-Men?
>>154369037If the Midnight Universe fails to put a dent into Absolute's sales, we'll bring Ultimate's back as a back up plan and hope the break garners interest from people with fomo.
>>154370034And if that fails because they let the train come to a skittering crash stop?Heads FINALLY get the chop?
>>154370076No, Marvel does what they always do. Rely on Spiderman fans who'll buy anything to carry the company.
>>154370002It can't be ruled out but I wouldn't fault her if she instead decided to fuck off from Marvel once her contract has expired.
>>154370090How much of a drop-off will there be after #1000 and the autistic odometer collectors finally hit the four digits?
>>154368779The almost inevitable result of making him so powerful.
>>154366056So Reed Doom is dead?
>>154369739delays
>>154366170Neat
>>154366638Dont think its saying that lol. I think its just a bit of a comedic thing.>>154367089Dont think its that
>>154366163Richard is a horrible brother lol
>>154366532Same energy.
>>154370293Not really. Bendis on Superman is a new thing that sounds bad.
>>154368405Is there a comic panel of 1610 Sue saying that?
Who do you think will be the new writers?
>>154370273No one in the Parker family seems to be good for each other honestly. May has been neglected by both of her parents, MJ let's Richard risk his life with a suit she hates and Peter is the reason why this is all happening.
>>154365926>Daredevil not Deadpool... WTF
>>154370360The Parker family which was the main thing marketed and certainly the biggest draw fell to the wayside for Mysterio bullshit that didn't amount to anything.Even in alternative universe death, Gwen sucks out all the air and oxygen in the writers room.
If Lowe, Quesada, Brevoort, White, Ewing, Ziglar, Slott, and Camp all got sodomized tomorrow by each other would it mean they would be more or less butthurt than they were before?
>kill Peter for shock value>bring him and only him back for no particular reasonBravo, Camp.
So Ultimate X-Men was the best book in the line, right?
>>154368755>Paul dies in 616 to throw people a bone for killing Peter off in 6160>Peter comes back to life two issues later while Paul remains deadPedo Paul lived for nothing, and died for nothing. He should have done more with his life than just try to groom Dylan Brock.
>>154370492USM’s sales numbers were what was keeping the entire Ultimate line alive. It turns out that pandering to marriagefags angry about OMD is way more successful than pandering to fans obsessed with a genocidal pedophile creep with a manbun.
>>154370552It had great style but narratively was very uneven. But I'm sure it will hold on to some cult status within the X-fandom.
As much as i love peter back with mary ja e as loli venommay, and the happy ending for the parkers.Absolute DC is still raping marvel hard, and Superman prime comic was gud
did that thing with the maker-controlled celestials ever even amount to anything
>>154370552No but I think if you were a fan of uxm your not gonna be too disappointed with it compared to other books if you know what I mean
>>154365917>this world was a mistakeis the Maker just editorial
>>154366044>>154366051>>154366056I'm an idiot can someone explain what happened?
>>154369332He definitely knew where Wakanda was. If his council had some control over africa. He just left Wakanda to themselves. At least that was my takeaway
>>154366515Anyone else think Maker still alive because he was bonded to the Ultimate Venom symbiote and someone forgot?
>>154366158KEK Checchetto definitely copy and pasted that head onto Peter in the top panel. Even MJ looks off.
>>154370981IT JUST WORKS CUZ WE AINT GONNA EXPLAIN SHIT
>>154366754This
>>154366873Yes
>>154365926Is this supposed to be satire with daredevil cause it just sounds retarded like all satire parody crap
>>154367521Really?
>>154370552CORRECT!
>>154368754The fuck?
>>154365972The idea of maker finding superheroes to be annoying and childish to him is a cool idea
>>154371300
>>154368754How much of a disaster was 1610 Fantastic Four.And 6160 fantastic four paid the price for it bigly.
>>154370552Hard to say. They were all really bad.
>>154366163>>154366170Honestly fun. Wish the book was this ngl. Low stakes slice of life spidey with a family.
>>154371683They really weren't lmao. Other than ubp and wolverine they were decent for their premise. If you don't like the premise that's another thing
>>154365935you'll never be Batkek Maker, just stay as your normal evil self
>>154366170She's gonna grow up to be Mayhem
Would rather has more shitty Marvel Knigh stuff that marvel writer ruining more the already not that good concept it was ultimate universe
>>154366491Fuck every word out of this character is annoying, too fucking contrived camp lmao
>>154372052At least this isn't the real Ultimate universe. Not that the 1610 wasn't garbage by its end, either.
>>154372052When is the last issue of this coming out?feels like it's been delayed fifty times
>>154366044>>154366051>6160 Reed>A man forged by a lifetime of tragedy and pain>1610 Reed>A cuck
>>154366044>>154366051>>154366056>>154366062F
>>154366532Peach Momoko didn't deserve to have her work on Ultimate X-men wasted on this sack of shit, kill everyone at editorial slowly. Never bring back this sack of shit universe.
>>154366891>>154366932cope and seethe
The grifters propping up Camp abandoned ship even on the actual storytime thread for the finale? Ouch. Next year is gonna look grim for sales.
>>154366955That's her gipsy genetic at work
>>154370981Uhhh Doom Reed stopped the maker's super tree form from destroying the universe through the power of plot
>>154367521We don't talk about U Thanos
>>154371743The execution. USM and UXM had the most promising starts, but they got boring quick. Ultimates was awful from the beginning.
>>154372772Reed rewrote the universe just to bring back the only guy people showed up for and then died like a dog to no fanfare. You know, like 6160 Ultimate.
>>154368847Did he?
>>154370552>Luigiwinsbydoingnothing
>>154370552It was the only one not offensively bad, Peach Momoko's art style carried it hard though and it was cut off at the knees before any proper resolution but yes it was the only one worth reading
>>154372739They're probably still hanging around AMM.
So at what point do you think they were told they reversed their decision on ending the line?
>>154373749The last page.
So was continuing after this always part of the plan or not?
>>154373924You tell me
>>154366491>Revolutionary hero who shaped the Revolution properly and advocated for the Second Amendment approach gets pathetically killed by a regime enabler, and inspires white supremacists who plague the new regimeWhat did Camp mean by this?
>>154366051This is a particularly stupid line because Tony should have no idea about any of the Maker's history. He refused to share the details of his past, he has no reason to, it could only be used against him.
>>154373749Whenever Armageddon presales went up and were way lower than they were hoping for
>>154373964Sounds like marketing, if you are gonna do a shocking LAST FIGHT with the Maker you can't just announce its going to continue, it would deflate it like hell, solicits poisoned readers where the only ones throwing a tantrum about it having a definitive end.and now it hasn't lmao.
I like this kind of plot, but it would have landed better if they didn't just do Age of Revelation with the same idea recently...
>>154370552After seeing people give Hickman and camp hell right now I’m guessing so (I actually think usm is the best)
Trans Natsu.
>>154373255>it was cut off at the knees before any proper resolutionMomoko's translator said they delivered the story they always intended.
>>154366170>>154366348Literally the only two I'd have any excitement over seeing continued.>>154366333THE FLOOF REIGNS SUPREME>>154375335They honestly were the two best choices out of the line
>>154375521Well the alternative would be saying that Endgame fucked them over which would lead to not working any more, which leads to no money, so...
Why is Natsu so floofy?
>>154375630So she's more fun to pet!
>>154366170ToT
>>154375335Did they ever actually reunite with Hisako?
>>154375613They can be honest about their plans changing as writers have been in the past. Marvel offered everyone more issues, they said no. The contract from the start was a run of 24 issues.
This series really ended on a whimper. When did it go wrong?
>>154375901They were offered issues SPECIFICALLY to run alongside Endgame. Meaning they would have to tie in the same way Ultimates was, how how Wolverine ended with him killing Magik and then going to the final battle.So those extended issues wouldn't be them telling their story, it would be them having to try and squeeze them into the story being sold to everyone as the end of the comic line.Marvel fucked up, and it's okay to just admit they fucked up and the creatives had to go along with it.
>>154376016As Camp says, they weren't even ending the line at that point yet. They said no to more issues. They were leaving after 24.
>>154375900Fuck no hisako is dead and I’m trying not to be upset but I’m reminded of that stupid ass storm comic and which she got her ass beaten and humiliated
>>154376035>They weren't ending the line yetActually Zack Davisson is the one who revealed the line was ending after two years, saying he thought everyone knew that because the universe opened with having two years to stop the maker, and then deleted his post. And this was prior to the offical endgame announcement.Meaning they were, in fact, ending the line by that point.
>>154375956Themes and suchThat's what happened
>>154376046Hisako will return and she and Mei will kiss!
>>154376622And i'll kiss Natsu right next to them!
>>154366532Nah marvel you can keep it, well maybe spin us up some mayday venom but the rest of it you can keep.
>>154366519Victor begins to examine the maker more closely as he does so the makes begins to grow in size untill he burst open the vial which comtain him he then resumes his normal size and appearance and looks at victor with anger and rage.>You fool did you really think such a pathetic container could comtain the likes of me?his hand morphs in a axe and in one swift stroke he takes off victor's head off which rools to the ground.R.I.P. victor von doom>now then who's next.
>>154367027I'm willing to believe that theory that Camp wanted Steve to become Nomad but Marvel said no
>>154375956From the beggining not sure why people keep pretending this universe had potential when it was mostly hyped by spiderfags, Black Panther was a fucking bore, the Ultimates team was just had too much of the same people when it should have flipped the characters/script entirely only Ultimate X-men provided something unique in terms of characters and we saw how the "fans" reacted to it so much that they felt they had to pull the absolute dogshit that was Ultimate Wolverine to appease the "audience".
>>154376893Ultimate X-Men was the GOAT.Ultimate Wolverine could have been fun if they kept him as the Winter Soldier longer than just the first arc. It just became a standard Wolverine book after that.
>>154375827Kys mongoloid
>>154375956Issue two when they stuck to the fucking retarded real passage of time idea
So which book got the biggest fanbase.
>>154377274Probably Spider-Man, because his fans are desperate to see a Peter who isn't treated like shit constantly.Black Panther fans barely exist in main continuity, let alone Ultimate.Ultimates is only liked by people who like to pretend they're fighting the machine, so they moved on when the new anti-establshment keys started to jingleUltimate X-Men fans are dedicated to be sure, but it's such a different book from regular X-Men that those fans hate it.Ultimate Wolverine fans only read it to spite Ultimate X-Men.
>>154377274Depend what you mean by biggest fanbase, Spiderfags contrary to what they're saying read both Ultimate spiderman and Amazing spiderman so it's not like it was two different fanbase, likewise for Wolverinetard who read anything he's in regardless of quality. Black Panther was on life support from #1 so i guess it's between the Ultimates and X-men and i'd probably give it to X-men given that regular X-men fans didn't like it but it still got its audience somehow, Ultimates had the advantage of being the "main" title, you had to read it to keep track of the plot.
>>154377274Spider-man of course dude the book was on constant reprint early on and each time a new issue came out was immediate top ten
>>154377274The only fanbase that has "constant" art is UXM.
>>154371287>>154372962Yes. Ultimate Thanos getting the Cosmic Cube is a closed time loop where, after being defeated by the F4, Thanos brainwashes Reed into becoming obsessed with creating the Cosmic Cube, Reed dropping it through time, and Thanos finding it for the first time.
>>154377633God, Mei is so sexy...
>>154378014For Hisako only.
>>154378028Hisako is for Grown men!
>>154377903Well to be fair, there's not much art you can make different for UBP or UW from 616. No one cares about the Ultimates.So all that's left is people who like bearded Peter plowing Mary Jane, or the lolicon's uuuooohhhing over May. And the people who want to act like Mei's dad going on dates with Surge in UXM have that art on lock
>>154365885DC won. Marvel lost.
>>154378216I mean they didn't lie about their universe ending to sell an event book, so that's a win for sure.
>>154376145Keep rereading that Deniz Camp screenshot until you understand it. Particularly "Initially, still very early, those books were going to end as those creators left and new books launched" and "But then Will Moss came to me and said I think we're going to end it. This was a long time ago, at least a year before now."
>>154377334USM treated Peter like shit all the time, they just jangled those marriage-keys for an easily-distracted audience.
>>154378169No that's Noriko.
>>154378254So they were going to end it after bringing the talents on, and Zack spoiling the fact that it was going to end back in June of last year revealed the fact that it was the companies decision to end it, NOT the creatives.just going >HURR U NO UNDRSTNDis not proving anything other than the fact that you probably didn't realize Zack had leaked the lines being ended, making you look like a retard, and now you have to double down to protect your pride
>>154378206> So all that's left is people who like bearded Peter plowing Mary Jane, or the lolicon's uuuooohhhing over May.And the people who want to act like Mei's dad going on dates with Surge in UXM have that art on lockFuck peach making her book a bunch of cute girls with issues is genius
>>154365917>I TURNED MYSELF INTO A TREE, SUSAN!>I'M TREE'D RICHARDS!
>>154378509>Fuck peach making her book a bunch of cute girls with issues is geniusIt really is.
>>154378275>USM treated Peter like shit all the time>His wife understands and supports his decision to be Spider-Man>His daughter believes in him and even helped make the suit>He managed to convince Harry that they don't have to be like the people they're fighting aganstIt wasn't until the start of year 2 when he was kidnapped by Kraven that things started going sideways, but even then he still had the support of his family, even doing heroing with Richard.People like a Peter who acts like an adult. Stop being a sore loser, Lowe.
>>154378509>>154378540Truly the GOAT
>>154378594I remember that one anon was doing a story about Mei crushing on one of her teachers.
>>154366873Yes, the villain they've kept pushing for about 15 years, the one Hickman was obsessed with, he was just Rubby Cucky all along.
>>154372627FFor the first and last time in the life of 6160 Reed.He wore the 4 and became the Fantastic Four.
>>154372740IIRC this AU never even canonized the twins being gypsies, it's hardly a multiversal constant or anything. This is probably just a growth spurt so the artists don't have to draw her looking underage anymore.
I don't understand anything about how this was resolved. Can anyone enlightened drop some wisdom on me, or was this equally incomprehensible to eveyone?
>>154379233Camp said they're Romani on twitter when the crazy Maximoffs ate brown Romani crowd began sperging over the twins not being brown and attacking him and Frigeri
>>154379315>>154379335Maximoffs are brown Romani crowd began spergingI fucked up
>>154379350I guess you were the one sperging all along.
>>154379350I wasn't asking about Maximoffs, watch who you are quoting before hitting the post button
>>154379335He can say whatever he wants on Twitter, if it's not in the comics it didn't happen.>>154379350>began spergingAll those assholes do is sperging and lying, Marvel should just ignore them, and punish crybullies by de-canonizing these characters being gypsies instead of rewarding their bullying.
>>154379373Seems so>>154379397I did say I fucked up anon my bad>>154379438It would be very funny if they made them no longer be Romani lol
>>154366351Because it's the same pose?
>>154378685Das me actually.I'd written a good bit of the first chapter. But then I thought about re-writing it because I'd set it during the time when Hisako and Natsu went missing, and thought trying to write it around canon would be a pain long term.But then life and work stuff was happening and I just neglected to go back to it. You know how it goes. So it's not dead, I just have to get back in the writing spirit
>>154371332>>154371665Its pretty funny honestly. Maker is pathetic but that's why he works great as a villain
>>154379315Reed/Doom and Tony used the immortus engine so that they entire world could hit The Maker all at the same time, and because changing the past changes the future, that meant the punching him in the past got rid of him in the present/future.So an asspull that even Jotaro would call bullshit for how rushed a solution it was.Oh and also Reed/Doom is Schizo and had his mind goblins attack the Maker
>>154379469>It would be very funny if they made them no longer be Romani lolAdmitting they were unintentionally retconned into being part-gypsy due to the backstory of the wife of a guy they're no longer related to, and publicly declaring that they're not anymore because some retarded assholes on Twitter were trying to bully the company into brownwashing them and were harassing artists would have absolutely been the correct move.
>>154366056Now he is free.
>>154379667Its the Maker's own fault for attempting brain surgery on him to begin with lol.
>>154366491Ultimate Sunfire did nothing...
>>154380067>The Ultimates only freed North America>Meanwhile BP and Wolverine freed Africa and Russia and took down all of their designated councilors
>>154379492Do you still have the greentext?
>>154368405>Sue rejected and broke up with him because she wanted to go be a slut and get dicked down around the worldReed you're supposed to be dead
>>154366170UOHHH
>>154366256Truly nothing happens from beginning to end
>>154366309>underboobWas she trying to rape the mom?
>>154380399
>>154378481I know what he said. You're the one unable to comprehend how timelines work.>So they were going to end it after bringing the talents onNo, after the big Maker event, they were going to launch new books. But Camp was the only one who wanted to stay on and they couldn't find anyone on the level of Hickman and Momoko, so they said fuck it. It was long after Moss said fuck it that Davisson dropped this post on Bluesky. They didn't announce it was ending until much later. They keep all their longterm plans to themselves until retailers need to know.
>>1543785711610 Peter didn't achieve a single meaningful victory. He got his ass beaten by Kingpin and then did fuck all until he walked into a trap and got raped by Kraven. Gwen was the one who killed Kraven. When he did get around to round two against Kingpin, he was completely unnecessary. Ben and Jonah were the one who revealed his crimes to the world. Ock created the science MacGuffin, and Richard, Benom, and Felicia were the ones who delivered it and didn't need his help as the story showed. He just showed up to beat on WIlson Fisk for a while and left, and then it was Mr. Negative who killed Fisk and ended up killed in return. You could write Peter out of the story completely and the outcome would be the same, that's how little he mattered.And now as the epilogue shows, he can't even control his own daughter and his son is acting like he's on drugs, acting out of character, not knowing what day it is, or able to remember the last time he talked to his sister.
>>154380607>They didn't announce it was ending until much later.That's literally what I said.Zack said everything was ending, and then deleted said post>>154376145I'm literally the one who told YOU all of the information you now repeating to me, and acting like the Marvel deciding to end the UU didn't make creatives have to re-arrange their plans.Even fucking Hickman, the man who started the Universe, didn't know they were planning on ending the whole thing after 2 years.They didn't tell the CREATORS jack shit, and it shows with how rushed all their books feel.Spider-Man has to hurry up and beat Fisk and Mr. Negative, and Harry has to deal with the shit going on with Gwen.Ultimate X-Men ends with the START OF A WHOLE NEW PLOTLINE with an influencer marketing suicide pills to mutantsBlack Panther has to speed blitz dealing with T'Challa's and Ororo's baby becoming a vessel for a bunch of gods, oh and also Dark Viburnum is going to kill him I guess.None of these creators stories are written like they were actually planned, from the start, to end at 24 for everything.Which is why Ultimate Finale also feels like a hurried, tacked on, epilogue for everything with all the creators getting some space to be like "But what if we come back though?" like it was made just to back pedal the decision to end things when they realized how retarded that was.You can not fucking sit there and say with a straight face that the way the stories all ended, how rushed Endgame was, and how "The Story Continues" Finale was made to fell, that you legitimately think Marvel had ANY of this planned out from the very start
>>154380731Damn. 1610 Peter sounds like a bitch.6160 Peter on the other hand was a fucking chad who liked being Spider-Man and loved his family though.
>>154378206>No one cares about the Ultimates.Ultimates should've been Totally-Not-Armored-Adventures. Fuck, I'm mad.
>>154379667Huh I thought reed shifted the universe where they beat the maker
>>154380731>ou could write Peter out of the story completely and the outcome would be the same, that's how little he mattered.If Peter wasn't in the story, then the story wouldn't have happened because he was literally the catalyst for people deciding to take on the Kingpin.Without him, Harry would have been killed by fucking Bullseye, meaning Gwen would be fighting alone with the Mysterio's, Ock wouldn't have been involved with the Parkers lifes, meaning Ben and Jonah would have been killed before they could have ever put out the story about the Kingpin, Felica's dad would still be in charge of his territory because he wouldn't have been paralyzed after attacking Peter and Harry, Sandman would have still been trapped in the military base in a living hell, etc...He sparked change and caused domino effects by his existence. Just because he wasn't punching someone every issue doesn't mean he didn't achieve victories purely by being who he is.
>>154380543Do japanese high-schoolers really?
>>154380854>Marvel deciding to end the UU didn't make creatives have to re-arrange their plans.They didn't change a single thing about their endings which is why so many of them were left open-ended. If they had changed their plans, they would have altered them to become more definitive.And nothing was rushed. Everyone knew from the start they had 24 issues before the big event. That was the very premise.They're just bad writers.
>>154380872He's The Raped, literally.>>154380975That makes him a supporting character at best, too bad the title of the book is called Spider-Man instead of Spider-Man's Family.
>>154381173Only when they see adult men. They're like catnip to the young Japanese girls
>>154377051Nico...oh my god. She's so perfect.
>>154381484Making her gag on it until her mascara runs...
>>154381511Anon does Nico seem like the type to enjoy being face fucked like that?? She's a proper lady.
>>154381719That's exactly WHY she'd enjoy it
>>154381755Typical goth girl who practices magic
>>154365956>aiieeeeeethere, he said it
Look at Nico's hips. God, I want to hold them.
>>154381822
>>154378275It didn't treat him like shit. It's just that the book was completely uninterested in him. It was all about Harry and Gwensterio. The Peter/MJ stuff was the equivalent of Hickman jangling keys to get your attention.
>>154366873The real version goes like this:>Reed was bullied all his life because his dad was an asshole>Ben was an asshole too, just an amicable one>Johnny and Sue were also kind of assholes, but Sue had a lot of patience towards Reed>while working as a team, everyone found out that Reed had an asshole side, one he tried to hide>Reed never curbed his autism and just kept fucking things up>cue Ultimatum>instead of helping Sue and Ben, Reed flipped the fuck out and blamed Namor for everything>he didn't even help the two save Johnny and sat out the rest of Ultimatum doing nothing>then Reed proposes to Sue at her father's funeral>Sue rejects him, and the Fantastic Four disband>Reed goes back to his family and kills them all>cue The Maker happeningEndgame was reductionist about Reed going evil, but not inaccurate.
>>154381858While thrusting into her
>You cum in Nico's mouthHow would she react?
>>154382247Glaring at you before showing you your cum on her tongue then swallowing before taking your dick in her mouth again
Imagine having a Mori gf.
>>154382058In North's current FF run.616 Sue believes the Maker can still be redeemed somehow.Meaning Miles must have told them how much of an asshole is the Maker in 6160.And 616 Reed does nothing to follow up.And it takes the entire 6160 Fantastic Four including Super Skrull Reed to do what needed to be done from the get go.And kill him.
>>154382247>>154382274And then she warns you to eat mor Pineapple if you want to try that again, unless you want her to gamble with using magic to "affect things" instead
>>154382710Is Nico the closet slut of the group?
>>154382752Lady on the streets, freak in the streets
>>154382873*Freak in the sheetsFUCK!SHE MADE ME TOO HORNY, I WASN'T FOCUSED ON MY TYPING
>>154382894She uses that staff to masturbate
>>154366051Huh? Maker's origin is a milf Sue as Kang trying to help him stop Ultimatum
>>154366083This shit is so ass
>>154366478Wait, did Jim rebuild himself into a chick?
>>154366532Grim.Dire.
>>154365926Why is Daredevil talking like Deadpool?
>>154383182Camp can't write.
>>154379667>and because changing the past changes the future, that meant the punching him in the past got rid of him in the present/future.Huh? But it looked like Doom killed the Maker tree in the present though?
People here over reacting as usual, it was decent. The real mystery is how Wolverine get his body and costume back for the last page after getting shot during Doom's final assault. I am glad it is over either way.
How would you set up the next installment of nu ultimate universe anons
>>154383182He's a beyonder, so he can break the 4th-wall
Imagine cumming inside Nico.
Maybe in another universe they could be happy...
>>154380731>his son is acting like he's on drugs, acting out of character, not knowing what day it is, or able to remember the last time he talked to his sister.Maybe Benom put the picotech inside Richard's blood and these are the side-effects? To be in a trance-like state?
>>154383936He did!None of it makes sense!Cause Camp is a hack!
>>154384793Just do what the Absolute Universe is doing, and let creators do whatever the fuck they want for a while. And get rid of the real time gimmick
>>154366170So has Benom switched from Richard to May or is it just gonna alternate between the two of them (maybe even have MJ use it)?
>>154385796He’s the family guard dog goes wherever he needs to guard
>>154385796Either switched or he's trying to control both.
>>154380943Ultimates? More like Snoozetimates."Power to the people! ... As long as it's North American people!"
>>154375056Nah, if that were the case then the "ending" would really have been in april, instead lots of books got delays and its almost july now. Also they would have had solicits and advertisement for new books right now, at the very least they'd have to have locked in a new USM and UXM.
>>154384990I do! Quite often!
Ultimate Universe lost
>>154386119Look at those thighs.
>>154386173I would like an Ultimate X-Men show.
>>154386173In general Marvel rarely makes straight forward adaptation of their books. Even though there are plenty they could easily do.
>>154386274Ultimate x-men is probably the most self contained without having to address the maker>>154386311Its maddening because there’s a bunch of stories you can adapt to animation
