easily one of the worst characters in all of fiction.
>>154367627YOU HAVE FORTY FUCKING THREADS TO CHOOSE FROM
>>154367636first time on /co/ friend? don't worry. you get used to it.
>>154367636What's wrong gooner? Afraid you might discuss something?
>>154367636fuck off you were like this with The Boys finale
>>154367627Who has the meme of Kaufmo saving him from getting groomed by the frog?
>>154367627who would be the worst one? Brian Griffin?
>>154367627>Guy who has only seen The Amazing Digital Circus
isn't that the point
It does kind of retroactively make the show spending time on him seem like a waste. Usually when a character dies it feels like there's purpose to it. His death just served his own drama.
>>154367627>A dick>Issues with intimacy and sincerity>TransHe's really not that bad there's been way worse characters.
Thanks for reminding me to be thankful for not picking douche bun as my comfort character and for not ruining my mental health over it.
>>154369366How would a sack of shit be your comfort character?
>>154369366>picks a mass murderer whose default clothing is a uniform of a gestapo officer How is this an improvement?
>>154367636generals aren't allowed
>>154367627And it's entirely due to being trans
>>154367627>accurate depiction of the cycle of a MtF is one of the worst characters of all timeAmazing, truly an amazing digital circus where he belongs.
>>154367627He was a great character if you ignore the "tranny" shit from outside the show
>>154369521>Outside Goose wrote the whole thing, anon.
>>154367627the point is don't be like him.
>>154369425Because he isn't a trooncel and canon cuck that got lobotomized into a dog.
>>154368070Or every fucking episode of Invincible.
>>154369521>he was a great character>"tranny" shit from outside the showHe wasn't great and that wasn't from outside the show at all.
>>154369521No. THIS is a great character. He is an annoying asshole who occassionally crosses the line. One thing that makes him a great character is that him being an asshole creates chemistry with the other characters. They react to him. Another thing is that he gets his comeuppance as a result of his own actions, which is why we laugh at him despite his sympathetic background. He occassionally admits to being a bastard and he draws from it. Sometimes his mean comments make us laugh because they are appropriate.Jax habitually crosses the line. He never feels consequences from it. The rest of the cast never riff off of it to create entertaining moments or situations for the audience. He makes no jokes and nobody who is on the receiving end of his behaviour deserves it. This is why he is a shitty asshole character.The only people who like Jax are toxic BPD subhumans who wish they could torment those around them without retaliation and who think that they are completely justified because they are supposedly hurting inside.
>>154369792Rimmer is a nonce.
>>154369841Maybe Gangle deserved it
>>154369803>"Are you going to cry about it? Should I get my camera?"
>>154369895Nonce.
>>154369930Such a great show. So many memorable moments.
>>154369841Gummigoo>Jax
>>154370036>Lusting over a literal NPC
>>154369704Invincible is a special kinda show.
>>154367627I feel like 99% of the fanbase hates Jax and are only supporting him now because he's a trannyhim being an asshole and all the femboy bullshit (i.e. pedophile grooming) makes him easily one of the least likeable characters
>>154370036>Gummifags think their gator is some kinda main character chad when even literal 'main characters' get neglected if they aren't called Pomni, Caine or JaxMore like Gummi-literally-who lmao
>>154369521Even if we assume that the central point of his entire character wasn't entirely "closeted egg refused to accept he was a big fucking queer" and just assume that he's got a complex set of neuroses because of his mom, the rest of his behavior and his struggles are not actually explained by any of that, and we have to make massive leaps in logic and fill in gaping blanks in the story to make sense of how his traumatic backstory caused him to adopt an uncontrollable new persona that he cannot escape from.He was okay when he was a nihilistic comic relief, but as a whole character, he's somehow the worst written one in the entire show.
>>154369627>Goose wrote the whole thing, anon.And pushed the tranny angle outside the show, where it was poorly implied within the show.>>154369789Twitter/Bluesky is outside the show.>>154369792>No. THIS is a great character. Different genre.>The rest of the cast never riff off of it to create entertaining moments or situations for the audience.The rest of the cast were written poorly.>Jax habitually crosses the line. He never feels consequences from it.>He makes no jokes and nobody who is on the receiving end of his behaviour deserves it.A character's assholery doesn't have to be morally justified or adequately punished for them to be a good character.>The only people who like Jax are toxic BPD subhumans who wish they could torment those around them without retaliationI think he's a tragic figure, not that his actions are justified. He doesn't want to be doing what he's doing, but he's such a coward he can't take the steps needed to change.>>154370478>closeted eggEw.>and just assume that he's got a complex set of neuroses because of his mom, the rest of his behavior and his struggles are not actually explained by any of thatYes, it is.He had major issues with both his parents, and when he shared something personal with his abusive mother in the hope of stopping her abuse, it went horribly wrong. So he put up walls and pushed away anyone who tried to get close.What that personal thing is is not as relevant as what transpired afterward, and before. His mother's treatment of him is key because he expects people to hold his vulnerabilities over his head and use them against him. He exhibits repression, but the crux of his arc is his difficulty in trusting others.
>And then I turned Jax into corn, Pomni! Funniest [HONK] I've ever seen!
>>154370195>>Lusting over a literal NPCy not?
>>154371117>He had major issues with both his parents, and when he shared something personal with his abusive mother in the hope of stopping her abuse, it went horribly wrong. So he put up walls and pushed away anyone who tried to get close.That's the excuse given, but not an explanation for his behavior. Absentee dad and shitty mom don't make people into paranoid abusers.
>>154369792>THIS is a great character.I remember not liking the show when he was written out of it.I also remember being told his actor is problematic on his own website, checked, and found out he... wants veterans to be supported and likes gardening. I couldn't imagine Craig Charles having half the backbone even when not high at work.Made it a bit sadder that older millennials point to this show as a multiracial success story for the blacks when they turn on Barrie so quickly, and Craig keeps winning at life for not being white.Anyway,Rimmer doesn't do anything shitty and is largely the "respectable manager who doesn't understand his job" to "punch up" at but the dynamic is mostly punch-down or across. If he's not in the scene then Lister is the butt of the joke. In short, he's a supporting character who's more wrogner than the comedy lead. He's relatable for awkward white types. He's given occasional "wins" and character moments. He's (sym)pathetic at best, someone you don't want to know at worst.Jax is completely unlike Rimmer. Jax is one of three male characters on a female show, and the only consistently shown one. He demeans everything female. He rarely sees punishment but when he does it's funny. He's very enjoyable for being the writer's pet character, and if you don't like the girl's show but watch it anyway. I'm not surprised female fans don't like him. He has the "ick" and challenges their narcissism, same as mary sues in male properties.
>>154371483>Absentee dad and shitty mom don't make people into paranoid abusers.Dad is never fully emotionally present, then leaves: "People who I love will leave me, they don't really want me anyway"Mom stays but is abusive: "People who love me back will hurt me and I'll hurt them."There's the paranoia. You think people don't repeat patterns of abuse? How about if he's actively trying to distance himself from people so they won't hurt him and he won't hurt them? How about if he's coping with being trapped in a digital world by pretending nothing is real and nothing matters, and keeping himself numb and detached by casually treating the others like shit?Look anon, I'll be the first to say that trannies are more likely to be paranoid abusers than the general population, but that doesn't mean being a tranny is the only explanation for acting like one.
>>154370352>when even literal 'main characters' get neglected if they aren't called PomniI don't like Pomni and I can recognise she didn't start with a character and faded into nothing fast.
>>154371604Mom was barely alluded to being abusive and the singular incident that made him spaz out was being laughed at then hugged. You are writing fanfiction and passing it off as repeating facts from the show.And none of that even remotely comes close to explaining why a meek homeless loser would adopt the persona of a violent, abusive psychopath who seethes in private about his own behavior while then going back out, mask on, to keep repeating the same exact shit that is infinitely worse than "one time my mom laughed at me for being a fag"
>>154371604> But when they split up, I just never saw him again. I thought I got along better with Mom, but… >She changed. When I showed weakness, I was less of a man than him. When I lashed out, I was just as bad as him. It was confusing. It was like she missed him, but also hated him and I became the target of all that. >One… stupid day…, I was just kind of fed up with it. I… I told her something I regret telling her. Something deep and personal that I thought would get her off my back. But… she laughed at me. Then she went off on me, and it didn’t stop. Personal degrading insults that felt like it went on forever. And despite all that, the… the thing that bothered me most was … at the end of all of it, she… hugged me. (Stutters) I didn’t know what to do. So, I- I panicked and I pushed her off me with all the force I could. She fell backwards and she… didn’t get up. I didn’t know if she was just trying to make me feel bad, or … I- I never found out the answer. I just ran. As far away from it as I could. Whatever I did to her, I‘ll never know. I guess there were a lot of things I regret about that day. Jax acted like a wimpy fag and when he'd snap and spaz out, he got told he was just like his dad. Then he told his Mom he was a fag and she had one meltdown at him, then laughed and hugged him. That's not endless berating and abuse. It's that Jax was always a broken piece of shit, like both of his parents.Gooseworx wants the audience to believe that Parental problems led to his denial and self-loathing about his own faggotry, which turned into abusive and psychotic behavior, but that's genuinely not how it works. What was supposed to be putting up social barriers and isolating himself turned into paranoid delusions about everyone, in a circus full of mostly queer women, trying to find out his secrets so they could mock him. And that somehow turned into constantly enacting excessive cartoon violence on all of the women around him.
>>154371764>And none of that even remotely comes close to explaining why aNTAJax's desire to keep everyone at arm's length is understandable even if it's not the usual narrative "I don't wanna be hurt/hurt others anymore"He practically spells it out with Pomni in the gun episodeIt's implied by the finale that he only started putting up walls after the trannie scene, because he was a "normal" sociable person until Ribbit broke himHave you not come across this character type before? It's a masculine character as relatable as going to work every day even though you know you hate itGoose probably didn't do it well enough for you to "get it", which isn't your fault
>>154367627he's a run of the mill douchebag character that gets forgiven for no real reason, but the meta angle of him effectively hijaxing the show and sidelining several other characters and leaving most to all of the series' questions unfulfilled is less on him and more just the poor narritive around himI think he would have been fine if his dumb remorse and undeserved redemption was at least supplemented with everyone else getting actual focus and complete character arcs. like most of the people he tortured got like five seconds of runtime in the finale vs his entire multiple sequences but I guess they just fucking got over it in the background
>>154367627What is this expression meant to convey?
>>154371764>Mom was barely alluded to being abusiveConfusing your son by telling him he's not good enough to his father but also he's just as bad as his father is abusive enough to count, anon. Especially in this case when he's clearly affected by it.>the singular incident that made him spaz out was being laughed at then huggedIt's traumatic to share something deeply personal, no matter what it is, and get laughed at and then yelled at. A hug by itself isn't necessarily traumatic, but he clearly wasn't ready for it after being treated that way, and his unconscious reaction to it ripped his life apart. He hurt his mother badly and even thinks he might have killed her.His parents in isolation might not have broken him, but together they gave him a fear of being abandoned and a fear what will happen if he isn't. What's the best way to avoid either of those scenarios? Not getting close to begin with.>explaining why a meek homeless loser would adopt the persona of a violent, abusive psychopathHe's trapped in a nightmare world where he's a cartoon character and he feels a desperate need to keep at arm's length everyone who could support him through it. In his mind he has plausible deniability on being a violent, abusive psychopath because there's no lasting pain or damage, and it's not "real" anyway. It's also shown that he does this not only to vent all his pent up frustration, but also to keep himself at a distance so he won't truly hurt others or get hurt himself.>who seethes in private about his own behavior while then going back out, mask on, to keep repeating the same exact shitBecause he can't see a way out of it. He's terrified of getting close to them or becoming vulnerable in any way, but he can't completely isolate because he needs them.I think you're downplaying the severe difficulties he has because you want it all to boil down to "he's a tranny in denial", like there's no other kind of trauma that compares.
Jax is literally Vriska.
>>154372344Jax letting out a big smelly fart that only Pomni loves
>>154371916I don't think the faggotry even matters that much. An absentee dad, a mom that changes for the worse after his departure, and being stuck in a virtual world with no hope of escape, the threat of eventual abstraction and having a falling out that leads to two of your friends essentially killing themselves is enough to cause behavior like Jax's. Especially when there are no lasting consequences for being that way, except the consequence you want, which is to push people away.We don't even know that he's particularly violent against women. Kinger is the only other man (aside from Caine, who it would be a terrible idea to attack) so there's not really much information to go on.
>>154372979gross!!
>>154367627
>>154369215Who are the worst characters in fiction then?
>>154375038idk, maybe characters like any of the murderers from anything in the horror genre, any of the rapists from fiction, any of the child molesters, kind of a massive number of characters who are worse than the moody teenager from a cartoon.
>>154375509I think OP meant “most badly written”, anon.
>>154369425>a mass murderer whose default clothing is a uniform of a gestapo officerBut that's based though.
>>154374984This expression was so funny hahahah
He was gay, Jax?
>>154375551Then they should've written "most badly written" instead of "worst", which they keep insisting on
>>154367627It's okay to feel bad for him, but feeling bad enough to forgive everything he's done, Absolutely not, in all honesty, he deserved to abstract
>>154379247>forgive everything he's doneWhat did he even do?>Still buddies with Kaufmo after rejecting Ribbit>Bullys a jeet GOOD.>Is friendly with Pomni>but ragatha and him dont get alongthats mutual tho.
>>154379390In Kinger's own words "The worst thing you can do is make someone feel like they aren't loved" and that's exactly what Jax did to Ribbit
>>154378606If OP meant that, he would have said “nastiest” or “most evil”.
>>154379500Or, "worst". If he had meant "worst written character", or "had the worst characterization", or "had the worst arc", then he would've put that. But he said "worst character in fiction".
>>154379429And Ribbit made him feel awful first.After he opens up to her about very OBVIOUSLY being uncomfortable about his masculinity, she puts the bow on him without asking and then when Kaufmo knocks and he removes the bow, she has the fucking audacity to stare at him with a look of offense as if he's the bad guy for not wanting to be seen wearing it by someone else.She couldnt even be understanding that he wouldnt want Kaufmo to see that.
>>154379602Still doesn't make anything he did afterwards okay. He's still a faggot and deserved worse than what he got.
>>154380123I doubt you would have ever trusted Ribbit again if you were Jax.
>>154380123There are better ways to deal with that kind of thing than ghosting someone, but I don't think that makes him as bad as you say it does.
>>154367627calmdown its just a drawin
>>154369792Jax stops getting any real consequences after Ep4 which is where he stops being another member of the cast and starts becoming the main focus starting in Ep5. After that the cast sort of ignores him? They put him in a dress to fuck with him and Pomni beats him up but Pomni's the only one allowed to give him any semblance of grief, Ragatha and Zooble get told to shut up about it even though he deserved itJax suffering from the cast never goes far enough for it to be satisfying. It's not like he has the power to put anyone down when they stand up to him, he just spergs so I'm not sure why anyone wouldn't have done so already
>>154369792Insane projection none of this has anything to do with a character being good or bad
>>154379602Ribbit literally said "Your secret's safe with me", and he didn't panic until Kaufmo knocked on the door. Throwing her bowtie on the ground confused and upset her and she didn't know how to react, then when she tried to apologize after Jax refused it, ostracized her, made her feel like an outcast when she just wanted to talk to him, and caused her self-hatred to intensify until she abstracted.Ribbit didn't make him feel awful. Jax made himself feel awful, and took it out on Ribbit.
>>154369366>>154369425>N gets the small emo sperg girl who becomes his girlfriend in the end>Overcomes the manipulation of his memories and mind from and eldritch void god which had made him one of its army of planet geniciding robot vampire slaves >Still gets to keep the sick SS officer coat N fucking won and Jax got turned into a tranny cuck dog. Damn.
>>154381392Ragatha used to be friends with him and has a complex about being liked, so she'll go along with lies as long as it means that person doesn't hate her. Jax made her self-confidence go to shit, so she couldn't stand up to him until Pomni gave her the courage to.Gangle always hated Jax. Gangle's very name is an insult Jax called her that Caine stuck with. But Gangle is very timid and afraid to fight back, so she just fearfully took all of Jax's constant abuse. She couldn't cry for him after he abstracted, and when she actually started she ran off and hid, which Zooble called "complex emotions". She was sad he abstracted, but she still hated him.Zooble was entirely self-absorbed before getting pulled into more and more group activities. She was too concerned with her own unlikable mix-and-match body and getting out of adventures to care about anyone else, and only started once she got teamed up with Gangle and realized Gangle looks up to her as a cool role model. Then she started standing up to Jax more too.Kinger is mostly an airhead and Jax doesn't care about him.
>>154369215Oof. It's got to be rough for Jax fans that are like that. Imagine making him your husbando because he seems like a /b/ self-insert when it turns out he was a /lgbt/ self-insert all along.
>>154380953A 3D model actually, but the point still stands, yes.
Fumblympic Gold Medalist
>>154374984>N-nani?
Another thread?Fine by me.
>>154381706I regret choosing the wrong indie cartoon.
>>154368075This?
>>154368075>>154384283
>>154367627BUNNDA
>>154369841Wow, a comic about Assigned male!
>>154381809There were some women that had to switch from making Jax husband material to shilling trans tweets about how Jax is perfect rep and now having to declare "I love HER"
>>154367627>Supremely self-absorbed>Coward afraid of his own feelings>Copes by making things worse for others>Had people that cared for him and in exchange he drove them to suicideJax is a great litmus test, he's the personification of self-destruction that will happily drag those around him down with him.It's no wonder how Gooseworx, a tranny, still afirms that he is just misunderstood and is his favorite character.Anyone that sees themselves in Jax are truly better off dead and forgotten.
>>154384162>They're
>>154367627Nah he is the best character. As he himself said he adds a lot to the dynamics and the others needed someone to hate
>>154367627You must be 18 to post on 4chan.
>>154384637>Jax is a great litmus test, he's the personification of self-destruction that will happily drag those around him down with him.>It's no wonder how Gooseworx, a tranny, still afirms that he is just misunderstood and is his favorite character.>Anyone that sees themselves in Jax are truly better off dead and forgotten.Is this a copypasta, or are you an madman expressing the same sentiment through the grim visage of Anton Chigurh and mischievous whimsy of a gay cartoon animal that reverse image search informs me is a neopet of some kind?
>>154384944>tranniesObsessed
>>154384426I can kinda see thathttps://youtu.be/PVy-bcTsO8A?si=N7KO72m9faiZmrdS&t=1253
>>154384962Did you actually read what you were responding to
So the creator really is a tranny? I thought it was a joke
>>154384998yes i didn't realize it was a quote
>>154385000>So the creator really is a tranny? I thought it was a jokeyea
>>154367627>Jax opens up about his abusive family and how he may have murdered his own mother>Frog replies with "Bobby you're gay."
>>154369438Yes but the point of that is to take all the autistic non-show-related spamming to /trash/, not flood the board with it
>>154383995Did he dethrone Mordecai from Regular Show?
>>154370292>pedophile groomingtheres not a single underage character depicted in the show, literally what the fuck are you talking about
>>154385084go easy on anon, all he knows is buzzwords
>>154384944Yes, it was all me, I posted in the other thread too because it had more traction.
>>154385012Fair enough, but even then the tranny part is actually relevant for once
>>154385042
>>154385084>>154385104he's obviously talking about the fact that the show is aimed at or highly likely to be consumed by children
Why are millennials so cringe?
>>154385201A reasonable explanation for the repost, but it does not begin to answer the many questions I have about your psyche
>>154367636I chose this one
>>154384637>It's no wonder how Gooseworx, a tranny, still afirms that he is just misunderstoodGoose calls him a piece of shit in the tweet (or whatever it's called) saying he's trans.
Maid Jax was a Chad.
>YES IM ABUSE AND BULLY BUT I HAD A TRAGIC PAST SO THATS MAKES IT OK >ALSO IM TRANS What a fucking joke.
>>154385951If you're talking about Jax, I don't get the impression he thinks it's okay. I get the impression he doesn't know how to stop.
>>154385042>Jax opens up about his abusive family and how he may have murdered his own motherRibbit clocked him as being transgender and they were right (it would be a little hard to hide that sort of thing if you're spending all your team with another person for months or even years). Kind of funny how you conveniently ignore the part where the reason why he pushed her was because he came out to her and she laughed at him.
>>154386410Ribbit assumed he was transgender and tried to "crack his egg", which is grooming. He wasn't ready for it, assuming he ever would be, so she broke their friendship.>the reason why he pushed her was because he came out to her and she laughed at himHe never said he came out to her, he said he shared something personal.NTA btw
Jesus christ you're dumb.
>>154386611Thanks man, you too
>>154386551And this is where people are getting the paratexual information from the show, tied up with the epitexual information that Goose kept giving out.You are super right that Jax never admitted that he was trans or even gay. He talked about how he wasn't close to his dad, his dad never seemed proud of him, and how Jax felt like he was a disappointment to his dad, that he could never live up to his standards.Then, about his mom, he revealed that if he showed weakness, it was because Jax was "less of a man" than his father. If Jax lashed out, he was "just as bad" as his dad. How he just became the target for his father's wrongs in his mother's eyes. Then one day, Jax was fed up and told his mother something he regretted telling her, something deep and personal to him that he figured would get her off his back. But she laughed at him, went off on him, personal degrading insults that felt like they went on forever, before hugging him...Now, nowhere did he mention what he specifically said to her. Just that it was deep and personal. This could go in many directions, but only with Goose's epitexual comments are we driven towards a singular conclusion of "He told her he was trans."So, unless Goose/Glitch wishes to continue TADC and clear up this ambiguous exchange with Jax and Ribbit, then it will simply be left as an intentionally ambiguous scene that viewers are allowed to simply interpret on their own.
Kinger killed Jax by never calling out exposition in his pillow fortRagatha killed Jax by being too weak and agreeing to his promiseGangle killed Jax by being too bullyable and feeding Jax's impulsesZooble killed Jax by being out of the closet and proudPomni killed Jax by not reading his mind and realising that he was about the walk off screen to abstractThey ALL did bad things
>>154385000How did you think it was a joke? Gooseworx is out of the closet.
