>chocolate meet peanut butter
>Conan but modern faggotry Kill it with fire
>>154369022Will be cancelled for The Emoji Show
>>154369022I would like to see his version of the tower of the elephant.Really, it shouldnt be a show, it should be like six specials. I don't have hope for anything and every supposedly good adaption I've seen is mostly garbage, but this has more of a chance of being good than most things.
>>154369047Genndy is literally the only person in entertainment that could avoid that so I'm cautiously optimistic
>>154369075I could see some Anime studies pulling it off, especially if they used these Terada pieces as inspiration, but yeah, from a Western animation perspective, Gendry is the one guy who could do it, maybe Bruce Timm as well but that would never happen
That sounds awesome.
>>154369097Terada's artstyle is kind of hard to animate, I'm cautiously optimistic, this few years have show that Genndy while great at animating shows kind of sucks at writing stories but working with a established property with pre made stories might work at his advantage. Post your hopes, Adaptations of the original books, most of them are short enough to be single episodes.
>>154369169Echoing another anon I'd really love to see Tower of the Elephant. Something about that story really screams Genndy to me. It feels like a samurai jack episode
>>154369072>>154369206>tower of the elephantThat would be cool, but I was always a fan of Queen of the Black Coast.
>>154369169Rogues in the House, Queen of the Black Coast, The God in the Bowl and Black Collusus, really any of the original REH stories, would work for me except Frost Giants Daughter,also prefer Gendry to stick to the original stories rather than make a pastiche story
>>154369248Yeah Queen of the Black Coast has to be in, if not at the top of, their first five choices. We might actually get an accurate depiction of the Tigress' crew considering Primal gets away with non woke depictions of black people
>>154369022>Zombie Conan
>>154369022>Conan>GenndyJesus talk about a Monkey's paw
>>154369022> prime videoso it’s not even airing on cartoon network/adult swim?
>>154369097>Bruce TimmIf he was given complete creative control maybe but I think he bends the knee to pc culture too easily given how that new Batman cartoon turned out >>154369256>also prefer Gendry to stick to the original stories rather than make a pastiche storyI think it'll depend on the format. If it's got a limited episode count we'll probably get straight adaptations of the Howard stories. If it's full on animated series we are definitely gonna get some pastiche/filler episodes mixed in with adaptations
>>154369075Guess you didn't see the horny dog film, huh?
>>154369047Primal was basically Conan: The Animated Series already, like Spear even got his own king arc in S3.
>>154369527I didn't but I've seen primal and can easily understand his work on one project doesn't cancel out that that show makes him a great candidate for Conan
>The official logline for the new series reads: “After finding love in the pirate queen, Bêlit, a battle-hardened Conan defies gods, fate and even death to save her from a dark sorcery that threatens to destroy everything.”So is that from one of the original short stories or is this a new story?
>After finding love in the pirate queen, Bêlit, a battle-hardened Conan defies gods, fate and even death to save her from a dark sorcery that threatens to destroy everything.Genndy, you faggot, the story already has a beginning, middle, and end; how the fuck can you already be screwing the pooch when the completed script is given to you!? If the story doesn't end with Conan giving her a viking funeral I'll shittalk Genndy 'til my last breath.
>>154369568It's an original story with a shorter actual narrative, but that takes place over a longer period of Conan's life. So it's easy to fit in some original stories and expand the plot while still technically being a faithful adaptation
>>154369568It's an original, but changed for the modern audience; Conan doesn't realize there's a danger to Belit until he's high on black lotus fumes and astral projecting across time. By the time he sobers up everyone is dead.
I'm confused. didn't genndy said he didn't like the gore and violence in primal? why ould he do conan?
>>154369022/CO/NAN! WHAT IS BEST IN LIFE?
>>154369022why it took so long to somebody to say "fine, get your little project"
>>154369022Will there be boobs though?
>>154369405Conan material can be too much for even Adult Swim. Amazon allows Genndy to get away with shit that's frowned upon if you're not on Hbo Max.
>>154369720Maybe some bush too if Genndy play his cards right like Trigger did with New Panty and Stocking.
>>154369677Wonder if it had something to do with Ryan Condal. Genndy was working on an aninated HOTD spinoff and Condal was originally working on a Conan adaptation with Miguel Sapochnik before Amazon rejected it, so maybe he threw in a favor and this time Amazon was willing to do it since it was animated, had Genndy's prestige, and CN's backing.
>>154369097>>154369169They should do Mossacannibalis style instead.
>>154369529King Conan is completelly different, is tgis barbarians having to deal with a bunch of pussy subjects that fold the second it seem they might loose, and treachorous people trting to take the throne for themselves.
>>154369022Its cool but this definitely means there’s not gonna be any more Primal, as that’s just Conan with a pet dinosaur.
>>154369022I hope it’s rated R, and has tasteful nudity
>>154369047you're a modern faggot lol.
>>154369022Just get a really good writer. Conan actually has some pretty good worldbuilding and dialogue when you read it proper and while I trust Genndy with action and consistent, natural dialogue, he's not as great in actually making a consistent overarching plot. Just stay really close to the inspirations plotlines and it will be great.
>>154369654Because he's good at it and they pay him money to do it
>>154369022Genuinely love Conan, Solomon Kane and Kull.Tartakovsky dropped the ball with the Samurai Jack revival, but if he's adapting Conan, I expect nothing short of unalloyed kino.
>>154369527No one saw it and those that did dunked on him.He ate his humble pie with a side of crow.I'm willing to give him a chance now that he seems to care a bit more about entertaining the people that want to be entertained.
Personally, I want to see "Shadows in The Moonlight" or "The Pool of The Black One" adapted."Queen of The Black Coast" is kino, though.
>>154369097>maybe Bruce Timm as well but that would never happenThat would be funny since he started on Heman Minicomics and all.
>>154370267I'm hesitant. Goddamn I wish this happened when the industry actually had money to throw around.
>>154369529Conan is not simply just violence in ancient setting
>>154369022Is that the guy who made the gay dog rape movie ?
>>154370474Primal doesn't take place in an ancient setting though, it's an anachronistic hodgepodge of different time periods, just like Conan.
>>154370600I'm not sure we see anything more developed than the Romans in Primal, and even that was for 5 seconds
>>154369720Condal's Conan project at Amazon was rejected for being too aimed at men, so I expect there to be some limitations on Genndy's project unless that particular amazon exec has since been replaced
>>154370111Fuck you god damn nigger bitch
>>154370624Pretty sure we got some french style knights as one of the random places that the queen raided.
>>154370639>rejected for being too aimed at mentbf wasn't that around 2015/2016?If so, I could see the company board releasing that they need to appeal to men more now since they have completely lost that audience by targeting women for every project
>>154369022Sounds great! Been wanting this.
>>154370718I can’t wait for boomers to die off. Gotta be the worst generation ever
>>154369022I'm cautiously optimistic, if someone can pull it off it's Genndy. I hope we get a Tower of the Elephant episodewasn't he developing an animated GoT series?
>>154370600>just like Conan.outside of some lost tech/civilizations Conan doesn't really go beyond the Iron Age besides your missing the point similarities between Primal and Conan are very surface level
>>1543707402018 I think but yeah it was long enough ago that they may have changed priorities
>>154369047He did read the stories, spear and fang is the title of Howard's first story.
>>154370832>outside of some lost tech/civilizations Conan doesn't really go beyond the Iron AgeNot really, the Hyborean age is pretty generally meant to be anachronistic since REH built the setting after he ran out of historical research material in his local library. So you get Aqualionian knights in full plate mail in stories like Hour of the Dragon and Black Colossus, along with Native American-style Picts and Achaint Egyptian stygians in the settingVisual adaptations of Conan err on the bronze/iron Antiquity aesthetic of it for obvious reasons, but for the original stories are much more all over the place in tech level
I hope Genndy includes the tiger women in the animated series.
>>154369206The well of osric episode especially felt like a vance or howard story, it's even named after the king in the 1984 movie.
>>154369022Are they taking advantage of Conan being in the public domain? Or they are working with the rights holders?
>>154371138he not in the public domain in America, so they are working with Tencent
>>154369022Genndy somehow managed to have a story about a caveman and a t-rex end up being about the caveman getting easily beaten up by some black woman and constantly rescued by a brown woman so there is a zero chance that conan won't be emasculated and sidelined by a girlboss in thisits going to be like netflix he-man all over again
>>154371162You sound grossly insecure
>>154371153He actually is, the rights weren't renewed, and since Howard died before the time of the renewal; the magazine rights were invalidated.
>>154370832>Lost tech/civilizations There's not really lost tech in Conan. Closet you get in the original stories is the Yag-Kosha being an alien and he doesn't even come to earth on a ship
>>154369529>>154370474Conan is like the Antithesis of a barbarian, he does wear a a loincloth and punches people but Conan is smart, he knows when to flee a fight, knows numerous languages. Many people point out he is a cut above his people because he actually uses his brains.
>>154371189Isn't there like a laser gun in the climax of Red Nails?
>>154371222It is because they turned him from "Conan, the Cimmerean" to "Conan, the Barbarian".Frazetta's drawing did heavy damage to his image.
>>154369022great after this retard fucks it up we won't get another chance for animated Conan for a few decades
>>154371162I hate blackpilled mindraped bitch boomers obsessed with culture wars so much it's unreal.
>>154371222he's also quite stealthy another thing people don't usually associate with barbarians
>>154370952Which story has tiger women?
>>154371254Frazetta depicted Conan mostly as Howard intended i.e. primal. Not primitive. That the term barbarian would later be associated with retards can't be attributed to Frazetta alone.
>>154371222>he does wear a a loincloth and punches people but Conan is smartHe really only does that when he is trying to be sneaky. In most stories he wears armor, either scale armor or chainmail. >>154371162What. The fact that Spear and Mira rescue each other is good, shows that ira is putting effort into the relationship and is willing to bleed for him.
>>154371162Hate to tell you this but Conan getting beat up by brown people happens a lot in the books.
>>154369022>warner bros gives cancer with bubbline series >balance it out with genndy conan kinoI mean i guess...
>>154371312>That the term barbarian would later be associated with retards can't be attributed to Frazetta alone.yeah that was DnD's fault
>>154371327he said brown woman specifically beaten up women isn't something that generally happens to Conan
I just hope it’s full of shit like this
>>154371341And ironically when they statted conan for D&D, he wasn't a Barbarian but instead a mixed rogue/fighter
>>154371312the barbarism Howard writes about isn't the cartoon caveman with a a club. Actually in the Arnold movie Conan is paradoxically not a barbarian at all, he's a slave and gladiator aka from a civilization but he's also a bit of a retard. So not really Conan at all
So is this just gonna be an adaption of Queen of the Black Coast?
>>154369583Maybe him defying death is Belit's death, but yeah it's she who defies death for a moment to save Conan, her ghost saves himThe Arnold movie used the idea
>>154371416After what Brian Wood did with it, I'm wary of more expansions
>>154371312Barbarian always was associated with savage retards.And Conan originally was "the Cimmerian".
>>154369047Do you come to /co/ just to cry that everyone needs to stop making things because everyone is woke now
>>154371225Could potentially be interpreted as such but it's more of a magic wand. Claw is the dude that would run into lost tech or something like the Mercenary comic
>>154371413>the barbarism Howard writes about isn't the cartoon caveman with a a club.Yes, I am aware. Yet it's a central pillar of Howard's work that Conan prevails over civilized men because of his barbarism. Not a primitive retard, but a primal fighter whose strengths and wits have been earned in harsh and simple truths. Frazetta's artwork doesn't contradict this. It's the people who went on to write and draw their own art inspired by Frazetta that missed the mark.
>>154371225Not really. It's a magic wand that projects a laser, but it can only shoot four metal rods in a particular room, which the climax just happened to take place in. It does vaporize whatever gets between them when it does, but beyond that it's just a stick of metal. At best you can say it's alchemy relying on scientific principles.
>>154371366Replace chick with dino and it's like Primal
I bet Spear and Conan would get along extremely well.
>>154371222>>154371312>>154371375I think a barbarian can be portrayed as smart/clever without having them break away from what makes them a barbarian in the first place. The real breaking point is portraying a barbarian as smart in a scholarly way. They shouldn't be philosophical or too introspective
Conan, Spear, and Korgoth should team up
>>154371359Was Akivasha brown? Stygians are brown right? They are proto egyptians.
>>154371552>I have slain a man tonight, not a beast. I will count him among the chiefs whose souls I've sent into the dark, and my women will sing of him.No doubt. If he can find kinship with a man-ape trying to kill him he can appreciate a neanderthal that can wrestle dinosaurs.
>>154371598>They shouldn't be philosophical or too introspectiveUnderstandable, but even Howard played with the idea, having Kull be on an endless quest for understanding. A lot of people, even vaunted Howard "scholars", overlook his criticism of true barbarian a la the Picts.
>>154371598>They shouldn't be philosophical or too introspectiveKing Kull questioned his own existence so much, to the point he began erasing himself from history.
>>154371705True he did play with the concept but Kull I think is explicitly not a barbarian in the original stories. Him and Conan actually complement/contrast each other nicely as characters
Sweet. Love me some Conan.And since its not his creation that means no shoehorning in needless females or romance.
>>154371598Queen of the black coast gets quite philosophical at some point.
>>154371758>Kull.>Not a barbarian.>By this axe, I rule.jpg
>>154371786He's a king. Who just happens to fight like a barbarian.
>>154371780Are you talking about his dialogue with Bêlit about Crom and the other gods? That is a nice change of pace for Conan, but was contextual to that specific story
>>154371648>A GIRL stood at the mouth of a smaller tunnel, staring fixedly at him. Her ivory skin showed her to be Stygian of some ancient noble family, and like all such women she was tall, lithe, voluptuously figured, her hair a great pile of black foam, among which gleamed a sparkling ruby. But for her velvet sandals and broad jewel-crusted girdle about her supple waist she was quite nude.Howard was pretty insistent that all woman of importance were lily white; there's not a single woman in his works darker than the moon. Granted, Akivasha is literally a vampire, but the previous point still stands.
>>154371822Even Conan became a king after a while.
Fredrick Malmberg mostly sucks but I don't think he would have let this show get made if it was going to be gay and lame.
>>154371834>there's not a single woman in his works darker than the moon.Nakari of negari?
>>154371822He's an Atlantean exile that becomes king of Valusia. Howard's atlantis is still in the mud hut and spear-chucking stage of development.
>>154369169>Terada's artstyle is kind of hard to animateThe only animation that I know had character designs made by him was Blood: The Last Vampire
>>154371733>>154371786He's from Atlantis though and was a gladiator not so much a barbarian
>>154371859She's not in the books Howard wrote.
>>154371886See >>154371872
>>154371896She is the main antagonist of "moon of skulls" a Salomon Kane's story that entered the public domain this year.https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Moon_of_Skulls
>>154371904He's not a barbarian though
>>154369097>I could see some Anime studies pulling it off,Imagine a Conan movie/OVA directed by Koike. It should be feasible since he is still in the industry and making stuff.
>>154371886He literally is a barbarian. Atlantis is an island Valusia and the seven empires regularly raid for slaves.
>>154371872Yeah, Atlantis in the Thurian age is meant to represent a new society that is emerging outside of the decadent and decaying older ones like Valusia or Thuria.REH is very much how civilisation emerges and then decays and rots, only to be destroyed by exterior barbarians who then themselves become decadent and weak
>>154371872>>154371981When does Atlantis become a powerhouse that would later fail and whose people descend into Cimmerians?
>>154371598>I know this: if life is illusion, then I am no less an illusion, and being thus, the illusion is real to me. I live, I burn with life, I love, I slay, and am content.That's pretty philosophical, even if Conan's answer is beautifully simple.
What's everybody's favorite story?I love "The Pool of the Black One." The idea of Conan sailing beyond the edge of the known world is kino.
>>154371945Alright, one I wasn't aware of, but if we're including literal Africans Howard wrote about more than a few, but I imagine he'd have a hard time explaining why any of them were white, hence why he has a white woman leading them in Queen of the Black Coast and Gods of Bal-Sagoth. My point being, he either wrote about important women as being white or black with no in-between, and 9/10 were white.
>>154371981Not really. The barbarian title is just there to contrast his chill nature. The whole point of the character is that he's not a barbarian and self conscious of this
>>154371834I asumed she was white due to vampirism and living the the eldrich depts of a pyramid.Pretty sure queen Yasmina was Indian.
>>154372031Red nails
>>154372031>Homme-Noir>Black ManLol
>>154372015Okay but that's an exception not the rule
>>154372008It never does. It sinks after Kull's reign and the survivors populate the mainland where the bloodline lingers in the Cimmerians. Ironically, their rivals the Picts remain completely pure though they regressed into savagery.
>>154371945Even then, Howard made a point of making her mixed race and that she doesn't really look like a Black woman
Took them long enough.
>>154371834>AkivashaDoes Conan fuck her? I haven't read the books/comics yet.
>>154372041>Yasmina was IndianYes and>It was a woman who had entered unannounced, a woman whose gossamer robes did not conceal the rich garments beneath them any more than they concealed the suppleness and beauty of her tall, slender figure. A filmy veil fell below her breasts, supported by a flowing headdress bound about with a triple gold braid and adorned with a golden crescent. Her dark eyes regarded the astonished governor over the veil, and then with an imperious gesture of her white hand, she uncovered her face.Howard made sure people knew she was white.
>>154372126Not in the books. She bites him and he bails.
>>154372126No, she's a minor villain he tells to fuck off, leaving her alone and miserable.
>>154372015Is a well versed way of saying I don't know and I don't care.>>154372031That is a hard choice, I'll say hour of the dragon because is Conan having one big adventure across hyboria but that is cheating because that is a whole book and not just a novella and I think the ending sucks.People of the black circle is pretty good, love the entire wizard temple? school? order? fight. First fighting the lesser wizards and then fighting the strong ones.
Can't wait for the bait and switch in the first 10 minutes.
>>154372040Kull was a literal wild child rescued from the woods. He more barbaric than Conan or Bran Mak Morn who were born into their respective tribes.
Good
lot of granpas itt
>conan with primal artstylei can dig it
>>154372258I trust Genndy. He's never pulled that shit, he's earned my trust.Yes, I KNOW some of his endings have been wonky, but at least he's faithful to his badass heroes. Hell, sometimes his endings are wonky precisely because he wants to bend over backwards to give his heroes a happy ending. Like, that's how Jack turned out.
>>154372126Vampire girl who tries to fuck Conan but managed to get away from because she horrified him. I like the little bit of lore that she is some sort of myth or legend figure everyone knows about, but the story people tell is some fairytale about a fair maiden who became inmortal because the gods favored her, while the reality is much darker and eldritch.
>>154369047Fpbp und trvke
>>154372460I just hope he learned it already and it won't happen the third time.
When is the crossover with Primal where Conan becomes friends with spear and Fang?
>>154372522Conan would probably try to kill Fang, historically he has bad experiences with creatures like her.
I was hoping another show for chads would reveal itself
>>154369022It will be gender swapped, black skinned, feminazed Conan, huh? Expect an Arnold cameo, lol.
>>154372534"What are you waiting down there for, you misbegotten offspring of questionable parents?" was one of his more printable queries.
>>154372534That’s where Spear comes in to calm them down.
>>154369820Nobody loves you.
>>154369920>petFang isn’t a pet
>>154372285He's still not a barbarian
What I really, really hope this show does is not have a "special sword" that Conan gets, then loses, then has to reacquire. Multiple stabs at Conan on screen have featured this and it's simply not true to the spirit of the original stories.In fact, in Howard's stories, Conan's weapons are disposable as fuck. He's constantly breaking swords, losing swords, discarding swords, then just going to pick up a new one, or an axe, a spear, a mace. Conan doesn' have a "special weapon," he just uses what's at hand. It helps display his resourcefulness.
>>154372756Spear would constantly make new spears so I doubt we'll get any special sword shit
>>154369022Are this and Heist Safari a ploy from Warner to not let Genndy go? I think he expressed interest in going to Disney at one point
>>154372717Prove it, or you're a homofag bitch that likes being retarded on the internet.
I'm so happy about this. But at the same time, we definitely won't see any babes in revealing outfits. If Sonja does appear, she'll be wearing a hijab, while all the men will be wearing loincloths.
>>154369047Don't even bother with Genndy nuthuggers. They already predetermined this cartoon is sacred because le famous boomer name.
>>154373031Pretty sure Sonja is off limits these days.
>>154373056Just like fixed and unicorn! Oh wait…
>>154373072Yes, but red Sonia is free to use
>>154371598The actual "Barbarian" aspect of Conan is that Howard had a very dim view of "Civilization" as a project. A consistent, unrelenting theme in Conan is how corrupt and ultimately fragile civilization really is. Conan's moral and philosophical superiority comes from his ability to thrive outside of it, subsisting on its edges and out competing any one he comes across who is hampered by their civilized pretensions or drives. Conan holds little illusions about the nature of his existence, and rejects pretty much all attempts to build something "greater" as being not just doomed, but misguided at best. Not for nothing he eventually "succumbs" and becomes King, and very quickly things go to shit for him.The entire Conan setting is summarized by "there was an ancient world before this that fell, and you know nothing of this world he lives in because it too completely disappeared into the mists of time." Conan is a barbarian becomes he comes from an idealized tribe of people who live simply and hardily and this has made them physically and morally superior to the other characters who are exactly as materialistic and selfish as Conan, if not more so, despite their believe that their way has made a better world.
>>154369820this art is both repulsive and cursedI see why it garners a ****certain demographic**** cult following
>>154373081Genndy cultists defended those projects right until they slipped beneath the waves.
>>154373105Doesn't both Conan and Kull hate their "hometowns"?
>>154373105That and, ya know, he was never even called "Conan the Barbarian" until years after Howard died.
>>154372031Maybe not my favorite, but I always appreciate The Tower of the Elephant because it showcases Conan's underrated capacity for empathy and to feel the tragedy of others' lives. Something usually overemphasized because almost everyone he runs into is, if not evil, then kind of has it coming to them.
>>154369022Looking forward to The Slithering Shadow getting adapted.iykyk.
>>154371598>They shouldn't be philosophical or too introspective“I have known many gods. He who denies them is as blind as he who trusts them too deeply. I seek not beyond death. It may be the blackness averred by the Nemedian skeptics, or Crom's realm of ice and cloud, or the snowy plains and vaulted halls of the Nordheimer's Valhalla. I know not, nor do I care. Let me live deep while I live; let me know the rich juices of red meat and stinging wine on my palate, the hot embrace of white arms, the mad exultation of battle when the blue blades flame and crimson, and I am content. Let teachers and philosophers brood over questions of reality and illusion. I know this: if life is illusion, then I am no less an illusion, and being thus, the illusion is real to me. I live, I burn with life, I love, I slay, and am content.”
>>154373143Semantics. REH called Conan a barbarian multiple times even if it wasn't a title
>>154371598>>154373182"When I was a fighting man, the kettle drums they beatThe people scattered gold dust before my horse’s feet.But now I am a great king, the people hound my trackWith poison in my wine cup, and daggers at my back." "Gleaming shell of an outworn lie, fable of Right divineYou gained your crowns by heritage, but Blood was the price of mine.The throne that I won by blood and sweat, by Crom, I will not sellFor promise of valleys filled with gold, or threat of the Halls of Hell." "What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft, and the lieI, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky.The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords singRush in and die, dogs – I was a man before I was a king." Conan may sneer at navel-gazing scholars, but he's already got a poetic bent whether he likes it or not.
>>154369568>“After finding love in the pirate queen, Bêlit, a battle-hardened Conan defies gods, fate and even death to save her from a dark sorcery that threatens to destroy everything.what the fuck you retarded hack Belit coming back from the dead to save Conan was one of the best moments in Conan.>the story already has a beginning, middle, and end; how the fuck can you already be screwing the pooch when the completed script is given to you!this we don't need random ass changes he has a plethora of complete stories to make the series with
>>154373197Conan being a barbarian is KEY to who he is, literally made clear in Tower of the Elephant. He's a gigachad perfect barbarian, but still barbaric.
>>154373132Not true but go off king
>>154373219He is, but the stories always used stuff like "Conan the Adventurer" or "Conan of Cimmeria" as the titles. The Marvel comic was the first time he was called "Conan the Barbarian" in a work's name.
>>154373133Not that I recall, for Conan anyway. He didn't hate it, but he had a lust for adventure and materialism that meant he wasn't going to be satisfied hanging out in the boonies.>>154373143Sure, but he gained the epithet because of the way the stories constantly brought up the idea of him being a barbarian. But in doing so, it made people simply think of him in the stereotypical way, rather than the more specific, cultural argument Howard was making for him. Conan is a barbarian not because he is unlearned or uncultured, though he does not pursue these activities in it of themselves, but because he explicitly rejects the dominant civilized ways of his time.It's a kind of reversed argument of where the dynamic original comes from in Western society, which is the Roman Empire (and the Greek Empires before it) and the German Tribes (though barbarian referred to all non-citizens in Greek culture and then everyone non-Roman). Obviously, Rome is cool and good and great and it super sucks that it died too the filthy barbarian hordes, or so western society tells itself. But Conan's perspective is it was less than it seemed to begin with and doomed to fall apart and fade anyway. The project was worthless, save for the ways it gave him material opportunities, which he frequently found less than he expected to begin with.
>>154369022>Prime Videowait, didnt Amazon drop a previous Conan project in order to push Rings of Power?I wonder what could have made them change their minds, besides RoP being shit
>>154373105no Conan's story wasn't simply civilization bad barbarianism vs civilization was one of the themes but it didn't solely side with one over the other, there's a reason Conan becomes a king.> and morally superior to the other charactershe's morally superior to the antagonists which include some other barbaric characters not every civilized character or civilization was portrayed in a bad light
>>154369568Bêlit dies in Queen of the Black Coast when her greed gets the better of her sense and Conan isn't there to fight by her side. Her spirit comes back briefly from beyond death to save Conan's life (a vow she made before she perished).Bêlit is, as far as I can recall, the only woman he mourns, and the only one he broods on later after she's died. There's no story by REH about him braving the underworld to bring her back, maybe there's a pastiche where he does that (in a Marvel comic?).It IS something Conan WOULD do if he actually thought it was physically possible, though.It's gonna be kinda funny if they keep Bêlit authentic to source material. She was a savage murdress whose sailors worshiped her as an incarnate goddess and she only ends up Conan's lover after he proves himself fighting her. Conan himself largely lets her take the lead in what little we see of their career of piracy. He's in it for her.Conan's worst deeds are hinted at occurring when he was reaving with Bêlit, or in his time as a pirate after that. Much later in life the brother of a man he killed in those days tracks him down to try to murder him while he's chained and captured. Not successfully, I might add.
>>154373309REH unironically believed the whole "hard men create good times/good times create weak men/weak men create bad times" thing. A lot of it was (supposedly) influenced by him observing how shitty and exploitative the oil boom was in his corner of Texas. He thought barbarism created the desire for civilization, and civilization was ultimately a self-cannibalizing institution.
>>154373205REH's love of poetry is why his prose is so good. Road of Kings appearing in PotS hooked me instantly as a kid
>>154373090She's not a Hyborean age character
I wonder if this might lead to a Solomon Kane show.
>>154373374>PotSWhat's that?
>>154373380Yes, but Sonja is a rip-off of her.
>>154373374>REH's love of poetry is why his prose is so goodI would disagree with this if only due to other Lovecraft circle writers like Clark Ashton Smith being much more focused on their Poetry (both verse and prose), and I would generally say his short stories suffered because of that.Compared to his contemporaries, REH's prose is laconic and terse
>>154373143>Men, women, and children were butchered. Venarium was reduced to a mass of charred ruins, as it is to this day. The Aquilonians were driven back across the marches, and have never since tried to colonize the Cimmerian country. But you speak of Venarium familiarly. Perhaps you were there?">"I was," grunted the other. "I was one of the horde that swarmed over the walls. I hadn't yet seen fifteen snows, but already my name was repeated about the council fires.">Balthus involuntarily recoiled, staring. It seemed incredible that the man walking tranquilly at his side should have been one of those screeching, blood-mad devils that poured over the walls of Venarium on that long-gone day to make her streets run crimson.>"Then you, too, are a barbarian!" he exclaimed involuntarily.>The other nodded, without taking offense.
>>154373374REH killing himself was a tragedy. I mean, of course it was, for the basic humanity of it, but also because he had it in him to become an undisputed great author.>>154373380You could do a gaiden episode with Sonya, like The Primal Theory, and imply she's descendant of Conan. They won't though because she's a hard-drinking, mean-hearted she-bitch who hates Muslims (and says so) and plans to murder her God-betraying sister (and says so). Dark Agnes, maybe. Howard really hard a thing for surly tomboys.
>>154373418and Dark Agnes
Where can I buy some conan books in europe? I like reading physical books.
>>154373403Phoenix on the Sword
>>154373465In some libraries? They are public domain over there, some even did 3rd party comics.
>>154369022they'll never draw him in armor
sounds like a perfect mix, I wonder if people will complain that it's just a Primal rip off.
>>154369022
>>154369022BA-BA-BABARIAN!
>>154373601Pfft, no.CONAN!THE ADVENTURER!CONAN!WARRIOR WITHOUT FEAR!
>>154372946Just read the stories and you'll see, fag. He's not a barbarian
>>154373586>sounds like a perfect mix,Ehhhh maybe. It's not like Genndy is working completely alone and at the end of the day he sometimes struggling with writing.
>>154369022>Genndy finally takes away all the right lessons from a project.Hell yes.
>>154373639
>>154373437>REH's prose is laconic and terseThat's actually part of what I love about it. He uses just a few words to great effect, letting rhythm and a few colorful adjectives paint a picture that others would spend a paragraph describing. Then again I'm the guy who stands up and claps when Howard describes Conan as cat-like for the 15th time in a story so whatever
>>154373465I don't know your guys' book chains, but there's probably big omnibus editions of REH's work available in the fantasy section. As others said, his work is public domain (easily found on the Australian Gutenberg), but if you want physical books, that's your best bet. That or the library. Do your libraries have used book stores in them? Ours do.
>>154369022Well fuck me sideways and call me a stgygian whore.
>>154373452>REH killing himself was a tragedyit's painful to try and imagine all the incredible stuff he could have written down the years, and also his influence on pop culture in general. Fantasy literature could have been quite different in a universe where Howard's works, not Tolkien's, had defined it
>>154371303It's just a cover, the story does not contain tiger women
>>154373353>>154373309Its more that civilization as a concept has a price. Seeing the early city slickers who where almost completely helpless must have been a hell of a drug.
>>154373734I was looking at my collection of books and the amount of shit he pumped out in a short time is honestly stunning. And my books don't even cover a fraction of his work.
>>154373105>Not for nothing he eventually "succumbs" and becomes King, and very quickly things go to shit for him.not really he has adventures still as King but nothing worse than trouble he got into before he became king>>154373105no Howard did not view barbarism as superior he a quote from one of his letters to lovecraft>I didn’t say that barbarism was superior to civilization. For the world as a whole, civilization even in decaying form, is undoubtedly better for people as a whole. I have no idylic view of barbarism—as near as I can learn it's a grim, bloody, ferocious and loveless condition. I have no patience with the depiction of the barbarian of any race as a stately, god-like child of Nature, endowed with strange wisdom and speaking in measured and sonorous phrases. Bah! My conception of a barbarian is very different. He had neither stability nor undue dignity. He was ferocious, vengeful, brutal and frequently squalid. He was haunted by dim and shadowy fears; he committed horrible crimes for strange monstrous reasons. As a race he hardly ever exhibited the steadfast courage often shown by civilized men. (cont)
>>154373813>He was childish and terrible in his wrath, bloody and treacherous. As an individual he lived under the shadow of the war-chief and the shaman, each of whom might bring him to a bloody end because of a whim, a dream, a leaf floating on the wind. His religion was generally one of dooms and shadows, his gods were awful and abominable. They bade him mutilate himself or slaughter his children, and he obeyed because of fears too primordial for any civilized man to comprehend. His life was often a bondage of tabus, sharp sword-edges, between which he walked shuddering. He had no mental freedom, as civilized man understands it, and very little personal freedom, being bound to his clan, his tribe, his chief. Dreams and shadows haunted and maddened him. Simplicity of the primitive? To my mind the barbarian's problems were as complex in their way as modern man's possibly more so. He moved through life motivated mainly by whims, his or another’s. In war he was unstable; the blowing of a leaf might send him plunging in an hysteria of blood-lust against terrific odds, or cause him to flee in blind panic when another stroke could have won the battle. But he was lithe and strong as a panther, and the full joy of strenuous physical exertion was his. The day and the night were his book, wherein he read of all things that run or walk or crawl or fly. Trees and grass and moss-covered rocks and birds and beasts and clouds were alive to him, and partook of his kinship. The wind blew his hair and he looked with naked eyes into the sun. Often he starved, but when he feasted, it was with a mighty gusto, and the juices of food and strong drink were stinging wine to his palate.
>>154372031God it's hard to pick one. I recently reread Beyond the Black River and it was great.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HT3cl4GJIDsI hope it has a cool theme song
>>154370718You are
>>154369097>I could see some Anime studies pulling it off,Maybe a decade or two ago. The modern state of fantasy any is abysmal. You hand it over seas and you got a real chance of it being about some Japanese shut in who gets sent to the Hyborean age.
Crossover whenSonja meeting Sonja when
>>154374110Anon read >>154371953. Koike could 100% pull it off.
>>154374110grim
>>154372483I bet you say that to every first post
>>154373711I check out on the net and apparently a library that is only 1km away has it. I know what I am doing this weekend.
>>154369097>>154373723Stygian whore.
>>154374205Maybe a bit of a controversial opinion but I kind of like Timm's artstyle for the Conan women more than the extremely realistic portrayals they get in a lot of other art.
>queen of the black coasti like the art in the dark horse vers
Schultz drew a good Conan. Now if only he'd draw more good Xenozoic.
>>154374271The time after was a real low point for the Dark Horse run though. Always hate it when pastiche writers try to bring his family into things.
>>154373734>Fantasy literature could have been quite different in a universe where Howard's works, not Tolkien's, had defined itNot really, Howard was so ripped off, to the point Lester Del Rey; the man who invented ripping Tolkien, complained about it.
>>154373105Civilization vs barbarism is just a single aspect but not the only one nor is so cut and dry, its is true sometimes civilization is seen as a bad thing spawning assholes who wouldn't exist in a simpler world, but it also shows the wilderness as a scary place that will kill you the second you lower your guard. Also the Cimerians aren't seen as an ideal to strive for, they are depicted as bitter people with an ever bitter afterlife. Conan actually travels the world and takes a little of each culture he lives in which is what lets him survive his adventures.
>>154374334Yeah, as much as I love both I think Tolkien has a wider perception of being more highbrow while pulps were always seen as lower. Like if you get into Conan it's a lot more thoughtful then people realize but that's the perception.
>>154373157This anon gets it.
>>154374366>Like if you get into Conan it's a lot more thoughtful then people realize but that's the perception.Maybe because the copycats weren't.
>>154374366It is because of how Howard was sold after his death, Kull the Atlantean became Kull the conqueror.
>>154372031I'd love to see Genndy tackle The Devil in Iron. It's not the best Conan story, but it has all the best elements; sorcery, eldritch gods, scheming nobles, primitive tribes, and saucy wenches.
>>154369047>>154373132I just want gennedy to have someone actually edit and enhance his ideas, his serialized writing is generally on the weaker side
>>154374487If he's adapting the short stories this would be a lot more episodic.
>>154369568I'm more of a Valeria of the red brotherhod fan myself.
>>154369022How the fuck does Genndy have so much leverage in the industry to have all his slop approved by networks?
>>154369047it is Genndykill YOURSELF with fireI will make it my duty to destroy people like you onlinebe prepared faggot
>>154370718You wont ever do shit faggot. Go suck on your polcel circle jerk faggots poles.
>>154374483I like the little Lovecraft like paragraph at the end of the story, like Conan sanity stars degrading at the cosmic horror just to shake it off and remembering he only cares about good food, drink and booty.
>>154369527You thought the horny dog film was woke?
>>154374561Genndy is a gambler, some of his projects are good, some only start good. It's a double gamble here because the Conan stories are beloved so either him or the studios producing this should try avoiding changing to much of the originals.
>>154374624even Genndy's most mediocre works are above par of anyone else in the industry
>>154371953I would want this just to see some fucking boobs. I am afraid Genndy's Conan might pussy out.
>>154374600Priorities.
>>154374650You are probably correct since most of the industry is pretty in the dumps especially nowadays and I should be happy that we are getting this instead of adult comedy number 5000000 but I still hope they won't butcher the story or make dumb changes.
>>154374561I am going to roll my eyes when people like that inevitably complain about there being no cartoons for boys or with male leads or whatever other goal post moving culture war drivel that gets fed to them by some e-celeb and then contort themselves into pretzels to say this doesn't count.
>>154373327Howard really liked his pirate girls, Belit was a little too vilanous even for Conan who was both a thief and a bandit but never went that far in any other story.
>>154369169>Post your hopes,I want an absolute balls to the wall adaptation of the Scarlet Citadel. Its the most fucked up Wizard story in all of Howards works and I love that Conan other than trying to fight a giant snake is sort of a spectator in this world of deeper horrors.
>>154374690I mean why not. The Titan comic has been going for over two and a half years now and people barely even acknowledge it online. Though I guess it's selling well so that's at least some consolation.
>>154374746>I mean why not.Why not make dumb changes? Because I want to experience good stories, especially since it's an adaptation. Now I am not against every change, of course you have to make it fit a tv format and there will probably be some censorship but they shouldn't fuck with the characters themselves and keep the plots as close as possible to the spirit of the originals .
>>154374796Opps that >>154374746was meant for >>154374696actually
>>154374819Ok
>>154369097As long is not written by the japanese. Modern Japanese writers don't understand western fantasy.
>>154374898Looking at modern fantasy books I can say that modern western writers don't understand western fantasy either.
I hope they can use Basil Poledouris's music, or some variation of it.https://youtu.be/OgOpa2R6UuY?si=5JcRrMdOxWHIO9jP&t=63
only watched the moviesany essential reads for the comics?
>>154374911Perhaps but I don't want to see Conan join an adventures guild to stop an S-rank demon lord with powers from a drop down menu. Crom, even writing that made me a little sick.>>154374934You really can't go wrong. The original marvel both Barbarian and Savage Sword, Dark Horse run and the current Titan books are all good. If you really want to start getting into Conan you need to read the REH stories though.
>>154374934Read the stories first.
>>154374934this>>154374956But also, here to you go.https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/The-Savage-Sword-Of-Conan/Issue-1?id=65051
>>154374948>>154374956>>154375000thanks, anons
>>154369022Please don't be bad.
>>154374948>>154374898Bugle Call is pretty recent and has none of those things and as much as it is overrated Elden Ring and the previous DS games as well are a pretty nice representation of western fantasy.
>>154374948Ablaze also did some good comics, they were published under the "the Cimmerian" title.
>>154375101They're making more I think
>>154374898fair enough
>>154374898It's not the same style as Conan at all but I enjoyed toshokan no daimajutsushi more than any of the fantasy comics I've tried in the last 5 years or so. I heard some people also liked Nisei's last manga but idk if it's actually good.
>>154374948And I don't want Conan to join a ya love triangle where the young mary sue heroine puts him into place and where he gets to do absolutely nothing but be a prop for her
>>154369022>finally a good cartoon in what seems like foreverPlease please please don't fuck it up Genndy! PLEASE!
The Titan comics have been great, and the Blackstone crossover with various other Howard characters (and stand in for Howard himself) was interesting
>>154372895>I think he expressed interest in going to Disney at one pointDisney would just make him do Star Wars slop forever.
>>154375222Do you men Tower Dungeon? I was liking it for a while but then the cast suddenly quadrupled in size and I don't know that I liked that. The best parts were early on when it was just the three of them and they'd nearly getting wrecked.
>>154375337I wish they'd hurry up and introduce Shuma Gorath.
>>154374948>fully illustratedI can use my imagination though
>>154375381"FULLY" is a bit of a overstatement. It's mostly just chapter heads.
>>154375373Yeah, that one
>>154374746That's a comic. Even though both cartoons and comics are not doing so well, cartoons are definitely in a shittier place. Projects like this are really rare.
>>154374561>it is Genndyoh goody I was worried there wouldn't be enough dog balls
>>154373586I guarantee more people are familiar with Conan than Primal.
>>154375448Okay sure, but it was still everything the anti woke crusaders wanted and they haven't said word one about it because you get more hits bitching about Spider-man
>>154375480>mention Genndy>anon thinks about dog genitalszoomers are really cooked
>>154375492Don't get me wrong, I don't care about woke or non-woke, it's just that there is scarce supply of good stuff like this. >n't said word one about it because you get more hits bitching about Spider-manAs much as /co/ likes to promote the diversity of the medium 99% of this board only cares about capeshit unfortunately. It is what it is.
Any idea on who they got to play Conan? Ron Perlman did okay in that video game and was going to be him in that unproduced red nails movie.
>>154373309he's morally superior to the antagonists for the most part but there's also rarely times when he's challenged on his beliefs by non-antagonists, at least in the comics I've read
>>154375556>at least in the comics I've readRead the books. Read nigga, read!
>>154374546Hotel Transylvania money.
>>154375520>zoomers put a gun to Genndy's head and forced him to make Fixed and call it a passion projectdiabolical
>>154375709>zoomers ruined the last good western animation directorWorst generation ever.
>>154369322Supposedly it's going to be Queen of the Black Coast.
>>154369097>I could see some Anime studies pulling it off>conan going kawaiii de su neeelmao are zoomers just retarded? anime sucks
>>154369669>TO CRUSH SHITPOSTERS, SEE THEM DRIVEN BEFORE YOU AND TO HEAR THE LAMENTATION OF THEIR WAIFUS
>>154375859You don't watch a lot of anime I'm guessing
>>154375831Queen of the Black Coast covered a pretty broad and unspecified amount of time to where even the comic adaptations were able to spread it around to keep Belit a character longer.
>>154375859That line has really made a lot of shitposters like you mad.
>>154371314>In most stories he wears armor, either scale armor or chainmailI need to do a chart but I swear Conan is shirtless a lot more than armored. He sometimes starts in armor and becomes shirtless over the course of the story.
>>154375546it depends on which Conan age they're going to adaptyoung Conan? I don't know, hopefully some unknown young actor in search of his first big role. mid Conan? Can't say for sure, but knowing producers today best thing to hope for would some well known actor who happens to have some experience in voice dubbingdon't think they will be adapting mature/old Conan on the get go, but if somehow we get some flash forward, it's either Ron Perlman or Clancy Brown to me>>154374334but his popularity would have increased over time, I think, and even if it took a couple of decades more he would have got there, eventually, becoming the American answert to Tolkien, as it were´I wonder what he would have made of WW2, though.
Do you guys think genndy's rectangular character designs would fit Conan's aesthetic? >>154375875>>154375914Please for once ignore the bait.
>>154375546... Spear's VA maybe?
>>154369022Arnold Schwarzenegger as Conan has done irreparable damage to the characters perception in mainstream media
>>154375951>Please for once ignore the baitgood luck with that, tranime fags are too frail
>>154375951Yes
>>154375998>act like a retard>people point it out>haha, I was just pretending
>>154375189I'm kinda surprised Conana never did meet Thor during Savage AvengersHe basically met everyone else in the Marvel universe
>>154375989You could say that about a lot of popular movies that have adapted books.
>>154375945>I need to do a chart but I swear Conan is shirtless a lot more than armored.In the art and comics sure they lean into the frazetta painting but in the books he'll wear whats normal for where he is
>>154375863
>>154369022Will we get any hot female snakemen?
>>154375951>Do you guys think genndy's rectangular character designs would fit Conan's aesthetic?Conan himself sure. Very much. He's tailor made for the broad square design. I do wonder how the women will look though.
>>154376081no that will be saved for Kull animated show
>>154375950>but his popularity would have increased over timeIronically enough, it would make him a comedy writer, when he was alive, his comedies were overshadowing his other works.>I wonder what he would have made of WW2, thoughSteve Costigan vs nazis, and Kull time travel to fight in WW2.The real question is what would he be like during the atomic and space race.
>>154376053He will, then he will get captured or into combat and lose the shirt.In the Pool of the Black One he starts off in nothing but orange shorts and it's never specified that he puts on anything else.
>>154376081Ka Nama Kaa Lajerama
>>154376166Sure but in Black Colossus he's got full armor. Queen of the Black Coast he goes through a few outfits.
>>154375945Sometimes he dresses like Fabio but often ends up shirtless.
>>154375989I say this in favor of Arnold, he nails the body, he looks big and strong even when relaxed, Jason Momoa tried too hard to look big and strong which despite him being swole come across like a kid puffing his chest.
>>154375989Arnie was just playing into the comics and the Frazetta vibe. It existed for a long while before the movies.
>>154375989pretty good movie though
>>154376613Fucking great movie. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LANHWwEjOAU
>>154369169I think ideally I'd want episodic adventures akin to Samurai Jack or Primal S1. It can be a mix of adaptations and original stories, Genndy generally fairs better with episodic stuff than longform stories so I'd trust him to make cool new adventures.But really, as long as Conan's traveling around the world, killing villains and monsters with a sword, and occasionally bedding some exotic beauty, I'll probably be happy regardless of what his plan is.
>>154369022Kino incoming!
>>154376686>episodicSome stories don’t fit in 1 episode.>occasionally bedding some exotic beauty, Idk if this will be adult animation, most likely stuff will be censored.
>>154376722>Some stories don’t fit in 1 episode.The occasional multiparter is fine. I don't think anyone expects Red Nails to be summed up as quickly as God in the Bowl.
>>154376722>most likely stuff will be censored.Depending where it's broadcast they very likely won't show tits.
>>154376112>his comedies were overshadowing his other workshuh, didn't know that. I knew he also wrote some western and noir stuff, but I wouldn't even picture him as a comedy writerare they any good? >what would he be like during the atomic and space raceprobably pretty disappointed about the whole arms race business and the general decadence of the western world, I think, but I guess he would have been excited about space exploration and the possibilities in fiction. After all both Lovecraft and Ashton Smith wrote a lot along those lines, Mars and other planets of the solar system
>>154369022it will be pure kino up to the exact moment Genndy introduces "The Woman" (not just any random woman, you will know her the moment you see her) and almost immediately after a coin will be flipped on if the rest of the show starts shitting itself or if it retains its quality
>>154372756>First Conan story I read was Phoenix on the Sword, also the first Conan story published>Conan gets a magic anti-ape sword blessed by a wise sage>Immediately breaks it on the first swingHoward was having a laugh with that one
>>154374934Bloodstar is a must read
>>154372756The Star metal sword from the old show is an okay idea but clearly made because they couldn't very well have him bisect people. Though I do appreciate the whole >Son, I made you a sword but you can only have it once you're jacked enough to open this stone tomb by your hands.
>>154369022Nut
>>154376904>The Star metal sword from the old show is an okay ideaespecially since star metal blades were a thing in the original stories
>>154376722I'm not expecting tits on display, realistically it'd be like Conan kissing one to three girls, falling onto a bed, then fading to black. Or Conan gets awoken by some intruder, and it shows he has a sexy brown girl in bed with him, something like that.It doesn't need to be explicit, but Conan does get laid.
>>154376992>Conan does get laidHe doesn't just get laid. Conan FUCKS.
>>154376992Ngl I would like to see some tits, I fislike how pussy a lot of modern animation is. The last tits I’ve seen in animation are Lastman and Virgin Punk(so frogs and japs)
>>154377040For whatever reason we can see people get brutally bisected, crushed and mauled but the natural human form gives people a heart attack.
>>154376992It's kind of overstated how much tittys is really in the series. Oh you have slave girls in loose fitting shawls and REH will happily tell you how womanly and shapely their figures are but it's generally an aside and Conan will kiss or hold them as they sail into the next story.>>154377009He CRUSHES.
>>154373734>Fantasy literature could have been quite different in a universe where Howard's works, not Tolkien's, had defined itI think he has a bigger influence than most people realize. LotR did define a lot of tropes, but Conan is the archetypal adventurer, questing for gold and glory. Especially in tabletop games like D&D, it's more likely your adventure will play out like a pulpy Conan story than some grand epic.
>>154377093If you look at the old editions of DnD they had their Appendix N which lists a lot of key inspirations and it was DEFINITELY more Conan than LOTR. The pulps were the big influence early on because they were quick, to the point and gives you an adventure you could reasonably complete in a few sessions. None of this YEAR LONG SAGA STORY HEAVY bullshit you see faggots try to play now.
>>154376992>it'd be like Conan kissing one to three girls, falling onto a bed, then fading to black. Or Conan gets awoken by some intruder, and it shows he has a sexy brown girl in bed with him, something like that.yeah it's not like the books had explicit sex scenes
>>154377119I think the most explicit it ever really got was Belits mating dance and then Conan carrying her below deck.
>>154377091>It's kind of overstated how much tittys is really in the seriesYeah, that's why I'm not too torn up if it turns out Genndy can't show tits. Some implied offscreen fucking, or having a girl he saved fawn over him as the episode ends is fine.
>>154376783You can see it in wikisource, he actually wrote more comedies than horror or fantasy.Steve Costigan is the character he wrote the most of.
>>154377119He wrote some soft core porn, for some spicy magazines, soft core because of fade to black.
>this threadhow many fuck ups will it take for /co/ to stop gargling Genndy's balls
>>154369022I always thought Primal felt like a Conan pitch, it even has Stygians.
>>154369858King Conan is Unforgiven but fantasy.
>>154376053>>154375945Knowing Genndy, he'll do it like Samurai Jack. Conan will normally be in a loincloth as his default outfit, but he'll gear up in armor for a big fight, then the armor breaks and by the end of the episode he's shirtless, cut up, and drenched in blood.
>>154372031The Scarlet CitadelRed NailsThe Slithering Shadow
>>154376992someone post Alan Moore's malding review on Conan
>>154377486Oh god what is that hairy ass hobo bitching about now
>>154372031The Tower of the Elephant is top tierotherwise I'd say The People of the Black Circle >>154377443>The Slithering Shadowreally good one, too
>>154374898I read a lot of manga and there are people out there who could do it justice. It's not fantasy, but Golden Kamuy is one of my favorite adventure stories in recent memory, a nice blend of action and comedy; the author also has an interest in history which you'd need to depict Hyboria properly. Dungeon Meshi is also a good read, even if it lacks the grit you'd need for Conan. Nihei was already mentioned, but he'd be perfect if you wanted something centered around trekking through ancient ruins.Hirano Kouta, Hellsing's author, has a really slick artstyle and makes his protagonists look cool as fuck.There's definitely a lot of isekai slop flooding the market, but they're not everything. I think even Kadokawa said they're overly reliant on it and it's created an oversaturation. If you shop around there's someone who'd fit for a Conan manga.Depending on who you get though they might insist on giving him a moe loli sidekick.
>>154377815In the old days I would've suggested Kentaro Miura but... well, you know.
>>154377815Call me schizo, but I genuinely believe eastern and western minds are fundamentally different, and their perception becomes inherently warped when viewed through the lens of their opposing culture. Many are very good, even better, at imitating a foreign style (overwhelmingly more so asians than westerners), but the substance is cannot be matched. That's why no matter how good a western-inspired piece of eastern work is, you can immediately clock it as eastern in origin, and vice versa.
>>154374696>doesn't countMore like the exception to the rule, getting a new Conan animated series doesn't change the fact that the medium in general has become an estrogen factory, and this applies to both the industry and indies alike
>>154369022kino is back on the menu
>>154377924What, in your opinion, is fundamentally different about the typical mangaka that would prevent them from writing a Conan story? I'm genuinely asking.We can boil down some key traits of Conan and his adventures if it helps us pinpoint what they'd need to do to get the story right.>>154377871Miura would be a good pick for the art alone. I think he was also influenced by a lot of Western films visually, so it'd be interesting to see his take. But there are a lot of mangaka with unique styles where I'd like to see them draw other characters, and what that'd be like.
>>154375709No one forced Genndy to make an adult cartoon but his need to throw his weight around to do whatever the fuck he wants.
>>154378110>What, in your opinion, is fundamentally different about the typical mangaka that would prevent them from writing a Conan story?Not him, but I feel like a lot of this boils down to a difference in inspiration. Western fantasy is largely, almost of a fault, by key works of literature. Eastern fantasy is almost exclusively inspired by Dragon Quest. Further to that end it feels like eastern writers aren't quite able to separate the abstract game mechanics that allow a game to function from the actual narrative. In a western fantasy a tomb or dungeon might exist because it's an abandoned dwarven mine or resting place of a king. In eastern the dungeon exists in a vacuum as if by magic because adventurers need a dungeon. In western fantasy an adventurer is someone on a quest who exists outside of the norm, in eastern adventurer is a regular job with a hierarchy and bureaucracy. Conan doesn't take a quest off a job board, he hears a rumor about a wizards jewels.
>>154378294You don't read a lot of Conan and just came to bitch
>>154369047>Unapologetic masculinity reminds me of LGBTQ+Thats a you problem.
>>154378294>reddit spacingchecks out, good lord you're one annoying faggot
>>154374934Dark Horse were the best imo
>>154378110>What, in your opinion, is fundamentally different about the typical mangaka that would prevent them from writing a Conan story?Social responsibilities, family structure, educational system, little things that nonetheless form the bedrock of their understanding of the world. I can't really speak from a manga perspective, as I don't have much experience with them, but from an anime one, and the biggest example I can think of are works that are inspired by western medieval traditions. I won't bother with low-hanging fruit like isekai, or weird shit like "x, but it's all done by high school girls", but stuff like Lodoss War and Berserk (adaptation, I know). These are good interpretations of western fantasy, but their are differences that you typically wouldn't see in western tradition. The most significant is the dominance of antagonists; the heroes' opposition is always in a dominant position, always trouncing the protagonists. The stuff that inspired them (outside of dnd), the antagonists are intimidating, but not dominant. In Beowulf, Grendal and the dragon are formidable, the latter even killing Beowulf, but they aren't insurmountable; at no point does it seem like victory is absolutely out of reach. In the Histories of Britain, Arthur and his knights get beaten, but their opponents are always fighting from a disadvantage they compensate through treachery. Howard follows the same tradition; even in fights Conan has no clear way of winning, he still fights, and he always wins. It's just small details taken together that color eastern works so distinctly from western ones. I'm not saying they're bad, just very different in substance. It's also why western studios that ape anime are pathetic trash, even compared to Japan's dregs.
>>154369169>most of them are short enough to be single episodesHour of the Dragon is the only one that would need several episodes.
>>154378242I think this is boiling things down to stereotypes. Like I said here >>154377815 there's a lot of ieskai slop flooding the market, but you can still find good adventure and fantasy stories if you look around. Someone who can draw action and already has an interest in history would be ideal.And as for setup, if a mangaka or anime studio hypothetically did adapt Conan, too much of the setting comes with it to easily change it. You gotta have Hyboria, and wizards are mysterious and evil, and Conan's gotta be strong and good with a sword. It doesn't have RPG stats and classes, or adventuring guilds, or arbitrary ranking systems that are irrelevant to 99% of the story. Anyone serious about such a project would have to understand this, Japanese or not.Not to say they couldn't still fuck it up and make "Japanese salaryman gets isekai'd to Hyboria but he's a level 9999 and gets a slave harem" anyways, but that feels more like an outlier.Actually, Conan could get transported to modern Japan and get up to shenanigans if you wanted a more comedic tone. It might end up like a Japanese twist on Savage Avengers, where he's fucking around with like a sentai team or battle shonen protagonists. I'd watch it.
>>154372031Tower of the Elephant and Queen of the Black Coast
>>154378488>even in fights Conan has no clear way of winning, he still fights, and he always wins.Moorcock's Eternal Champion novels are a big exception to this trope.
Also, let's be honest, there are so few actual R.E. Howard Conan stories that you could rather quickly run through all of them entire.
>>154378294I honestly agree, I fear that Geendy falls into the same pitfalls as he did Samurai Jack.To this people are mad about it because how got started, the /co/ thread were kino up until midway through
>>154369047He just needs to avoid a Mira character. Also I am cautious of what a female companion in the Conan world would be like since I'm assuming it won't be a dinosaur which Fang was more like a pet rather than some bitchy human girlboss.
>>154378629I mean, Moorcock's whole deal was being as deliberately subversive as possible, flipping tropes on their head. The whole thesis of Elric is>what if I made the inversion of Conan a protagonist?
>>154378570>I think this is boiling things down to stereotypes.I don't disagree but stereotypes exist for a reason and while exceptions abound they are still exceptions.
>>154378786Well, looks like people beat me to this concern already, but still. No Miras and no Ashis please.
>>154372031rogues in the house if only for Conan killing the guy mid monologue by hurling a stool
>>154378488>The most significant is the dominance of antagonists; the heroes' opposition is always in a dominant position, always trouncing the protagonists.You mean just the heroes' ability to overcome the villain by the end? I haven't seen Lodoss and Berserk hasn't ended yet, but it is strongly centered around Guts fighting against the odds, we don't know if he'll dismantle the God Hand but I think realistically he'll at least put Griffith down. And battle shonen is kinda built on the idea of strong heroes facing off against impossibly strong villains. They don't always stick the landing, but these types of stories usually end with the heroes winning and returning peace to the land.I have read stories where the characters are locked in a shitty oppressive system they can't beat, but they're usually historical works like Shigurui or Ichigeki and critical of Japan's strict social system and government, not adventure stories.
They should get Roy Thomas involved he just did an issue for the titan book
>>154378837>LodossParn gets his ass handed to him a good bit before coming through in the end with the power of love. >and Berserk hasn't ended yetyes it has.
>>154374271This is the only version of Belit that seems to notice the fact that she's a psychopath.
>>154378953It's not like the original story focused to much on it much either.
>>154374600Conan has a few moments where he encounters Lovecraftian entities and either runs or is genuinely terrified.He wrestles a god down a hole to save a big titty blonde girl, though.
>>154378979Even Yag Kosha unnerved him pretty bad
>>154378972Conan's too infatuated with her. And to give Belit credit, she DOES come back from the fucking dead to save him. Even a wizard would be impressed by that.
The only people I'd trust with Conan besides Genndy would be the French, because they're not afraid to drench a story in sex, racism, and violence.
>>154369022I have genndy fatigue. Not to say the show will be shit but I'm just tired of him being the only source of decent western action genre cartoons.
>>154379057Dude a french conan would be weird, all the women would be wearing hijabs and molesting children
>>154379057I feel like the Ablaze books even kind of upped the ante
>>154369022>inb4 normalfags and johnny come lately's turn conan into the latest fotm and rape him into the dirt along the way
>>154378799I get what you mean, fantasy's in kind of a shitty state in general, not just in Japan. I just think that if you're adapting an existing thing like Conan, you have to go further out of your way to fuck it up.Unless they're doing a twist like Conan getting isekai'd to the modern age, or building a long-term story like him getting revenge on a wizard for killing his family, it's a pretty simple formula for the average episode>Conan enters a country blatantly modeled on some historical civilization>He enters an ancient ruin/wizard tower/cultist temple for fun and profit, usually to find some treasure>Things go awry and he has to fight dozens of men or some horrible monster like a giant spider>Through strength and cunning, he narrowly escapes death before wandering to the next adventure>Optional: He saves some beautiful foreign girlJust do it like classic Samurai Jack, each episode is a new locale and puts him in a fun situation, like in one he's getting tossed in a Roman gladiator arena, then in the next he's getting chased in by ghosts in a spooky forest. Maybe invent a few recurring side characters like a cowardly thief who feeds him rumors, or a viking woman he can't decide if he wants to fight or fuck. You know, just have fun with it.
>>154369022kino...
>>154378904That was a great issue >>154379057>>154379082Yeah those comics were pretty horny
>>154379131>Unless they're doing a twist like Conan getting isekai'd to the modern ageit's been done
>>154379208My favorite bit in that comic is when Conan shows up to that woman's doorstep dressed like a blinged out pimp.
>>154378629In Elric case it is just "oh, my never mentioned before magical spell" or "oh, my stormbringer".
>>154370624There were straight up chainmail wearing knights at one point which was kind of retarded honestly
>>154373109You can't just admit that you're gay anon, no need for all the extra words there.
>>154379764You should proofread
>>154373306>wait, didnt Amazon drop a previous Conan project in order to push Rings of Power?I think it was an Elric project actually. Which kind of sucks because I'm a sucker for Elric content but at the same time I'm relieved it won't get the Amazon treatment.
>>154379940They've been knocking around the idea of a Conan series for a while.
>>154373465There's also some pretty good Conan eurocomics from what I heard.
>>154374898There's a handful of them like the gal who made Dungeon Meshi, but generally isekai slop has been a bane on manga fantasy.
>>154377193I mostly liked Samurai Jack and Primal has been a treat throughout. It's mostly just that Unicorn shit where he fucked up irreparably. If he actually collaborates with a writer to rein in his worse impulses he could probably do fantastic even.
>>154378837>Berserk hasn't ended yetSorry anon, that shit ended the moment Miura entered the the big Idol Master in the sky.
>>154380104I always thought having a writer was like counter-intuitive to Genndy's whole style. That guy doesn't script, he storyboards.
>>154380466He's great at moment to moment scenes but he needs someone that has a handle of the actual narrative of it all to make it in service of something rather than just aura farming.
>>154377193He has no major fuckups outside of Fixed and Sam Jack revival season
>>154380504Unicorn.
>>154377924Nah. Shotaro Ishinomori's cyborg 009 is basically indistinguishable from a Edgar Rice Burroughs story at certain arcs. Go Nagai and Ken Ishikawa literally have snake people in some mazinger spinoffs and getter. Violence Jack is also very Conan. Lupin and Golgo 13 are super James Bondish. I could go on.
>>154380504>He has no major fuckups outside of Fixed and Sam Jack revival seasonprimal season 2 and maybe season 3 I didn't that one
>>154369022What's the appeal of Conan?All I really know about him (other than shit I got through pop culture osmosis) is that the 90s cartoon had an awesome opening theme song.
>>154380864They're just really good adventure stories.
>>154380864Speaking only for myself but it's heroic fantasy before a lot of fantasy "tropes" got established, and in fact helped codify them. Very redblooded stories, too.
>>154380802But Primal has been great start to finish
>>154380864Know, O Prince, that between the years when the oceans drank Atlantis and the gleaming cities, and the years of the rise of the Sons of Aryas, there was an Age undreamed of, when shining kingdoms lay spread across the world like blue mantles beneath the stars — Nemedia, Ophir, Brythunia, Hyperborea, Zamora with its dark-haired women and towers of spider-haunted mystery, Zingara with its chivalry, Koth that bordered on the pastoral lands of Shem, Stygia with its shadow-guarded tombs, Hyrkania whose riders wore steel and silk and gold. But the proudest kingdom of the world was Aquilonia, reigning supreme in the dreaming west. Hither came Conan, the Cimmerian, black-haired, sullen-eyed, sword in hand, a thief, a reaver, a slayer, with gigantic melancholies and gigantic mirth, to tread the jeweled thrones of the Earth under his sandaled feet
>>154380864The fantasy equivalent of reading pre 2000s marvel
>>154380864There's some genuinely interesting stories and conflicts, despite the checklist version of it sounding rote and bland (the usual consequence of helping to define a genre). I'd give the old Marvel comics at least a flip through. They're oddly compelling and you'll find yourself continually flipping through it and following it along until you realize it's been years in story and you'd forgotten some characters had disappeared during another quick shift in the direction of the story and are only now appearing much later, older and more weary.Conan himself is an odd duck of a character in retrospect. He's been cast as violent ravisher and stupid self insert fantasy in the decades since his publishing, but actually reading the stories makes it clear he's a more considered character than he's usually remember for. Surly and cynical, he's often the most morally good person in his stories, surrounded by worst thieves and butchers or deluded, ambitious scramblers heedless of the danger they're putting everyone in. Materialistic, he knows when to cut and run to save his skin. And while he's not a gentle soul, he's got room in his heart to feel for the plight of others, even if his advice is usually to stop whining and grab a sword to solve the problem.It's also just kind of neat to see where all this shit comes from. Lovecraftian, as an adjective, owes a lot to Conan, you helped smuggle it into the modern melting pot of fantasy. All of that shit is in DnD and the like because of how Howard, through Conan and more minorly through Kull, mixed it into his otherwise more familiar faux-historical setting.
>>154381272Don't forget that Conan takes place in the Cthulu Mythos.
>>154381272I wonder from where the "Conan, the rapist" came from.
>>154381331From retarded hacks who don't read as much as they'd like other people to think they do.
>>154381285Did Lovecraft encourage people to work within his mythos or did people just do it?Seems like something someone would've tried to stop to keep the rights to X property while it was still profitable.
>>154381371Mostly the former, but he and Howard were best friends and loved putting references to each others' stuff in their works.
>>154369527Genndy has pretty distinct comedy and action modes.
>>154381371Weird Tales writers were very close, Afton just asked people to not use his human characters, and he and Lovecraft killed each other in their stories.
He may not have gotten to do Popeye, but he will get to do Conan.
>>154381423Popeye is nearly world wide in the public domain, if he really wanted, he could try to go indie, or make him do some cameos here and there.
>>154381331The Frost-Giant's Daughter
>>154381479The little tease was asking for it.
>>154381479He was under a magical charm in it
>>154381371REH and HP were actually pen pals and often debated and exchanged ideas.
>>154381560It is noticeable with REH's the skull face vs HL's the call of cthulhu
>>154378488>In Beowulf, Grendal and the dragon are formidable, the latter even killing Beowulf, but they aren't insurmountable; at no point does it seem like victory is absolutely out of reachEh anime/manga have the opposite all the time, for example Amon Saga, he struggles with the villain but is nowhere near close to undefeatable, hell the villain has to use some distractions because he can't properly defeat the hero on their first encounter. >Lodossimagine a Conan with the Lodoss style and music, I would genuinely like it more than even Genndy's
>>154382201>imagine a Conan with the Lodoss style and musichttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vFD_BcZsAc&list=PLegCghSLhv3NcibLmdi3mmhgZlPiA-rmA&index=34&t=So good
>>154378242>Western fantasy is largely, almost of a fault, by key works of literature. Eastern fantasy is almost exclusively inspired by Dragon Quest.That's ignoring the hundreds of eastern fantasies that are inspired by their own mythologies and the hundreds that are inspired by the same sources as the western ones, do you not know Berserk or Bastard? >In a western fantasy a tomb or dungeon might exist because it's an abandoned dwarven mine or resting place of a king. In eastern the dungeon exists in a vacuum as if by magic because adventurers need a dungeon. In western fantasy an adventurer is someone on a quest who exists outside of the norm, in eastern adventurer is a regular job with a hierarchy and bureaucracyIs this something from more modern stuff? I've watched/read anime/manga and played a lot of jrpgs and most of the time dungeons exist because of a wizard or an old war and quests are given by unfortunate people or emperors, even in DQ inspired stuff. >>154378799> but stereotypes exist for a reason99% of your stereotypes only apply to like a few isekaishit made in the last 10 years by this rule no western company can make conan justice since they only produce shitty sitcoms. Expand your horizons when it comes to japanese fantasy there is so much unlike what you've said: Bastard, Nausicaa, Moribito, Eirin, Rance, Erin, Utawarerumono, Juuni Kokuki, Escaflowne, Claymore, Vampire Hunter D, Akatsuki no Yona, Houseki no Kuni, Pandora Hearts, Spice and wolf, Ran to Haiiro no Sekai, sinome of Clamp's and Nagai go's works etc.
>>154382443>UtawarerumonoBased but I doubt most of the people on /co/ have ever heart about it.
>>154382443>do you not know Berserk or Bastard?I've openly acknowledged exceptions, but both of those series are several decades old at this point and current status of fantasy, what we're actually talking about, is quite openly plagued with an never ending deluge of series that start with the phrase or involve some variation on said phrase "REINCARNATED IN/AS...." >Is this something from more modern stuff? If you're not up to speed don't chime in, especially when your answers are mainstream and old.
I'm such a Mark for Genndy I'll throw fists to defend Unicorn: Warriors Eternal deserves a second season if Conan makes waves.
>>154382632>series are several decades old at this point and current status of fantasy, what we're actually talking about, is quite openly plagued with an never ending deluge of series that start with the phrase or involve some variation on said phrase "REINCARNATED IN/AS..Isekai makes a pretty small part of the manga market and in specific magazines, most manga magazines don’t deal with isekai.>your answers are mainstream and old.I’ve literally named recent stuff as well, or stuff that has been going one for a while, wtf are you talking? I can name more recent shit if you want but you haven’t answered the question, the western market is filled with capeshit, even moreso than the manga market with isekaishit and most modern fantasy is romantasy shit so why whould we trust the west when that’s the kind of fantasy they are making?
>>154382632>mainstream and old.No one on /co/ knows Rance and underwater ray ramuno and Land of lustruous finished recently
>>154382670He made such a meh series with such an interesting concept, of course he could improve it but do you trust Genndy
>>154382684>Isekai makes a pretty small part of the manga marketWe're not talking about the manga market we're talking about FANTASY specifically. >I’ve literally named recent stuff as well,No you didn't. The newest thing you listed is almost 10 years old with most shit being WAY older. >>154382697Don't be a new fag. Both those things were site white phenomena when they were relevant.
>>154382201> Eh anime/manga have the opposite all the time,This, idk what that guy is talking about, there are plenty of anime and manga that don’t follow any apecific conventions about a villain’s status.
>>154382684NTA but yeah. GRRM and Rothfuss and some others I forgot basically caused most casual fantasy readers to opt out by not completing their series. And people need to stop coping about them secretly working on it. They don't give a shit and haven't for years. Now its either litrpg/romantasy and various shades in between.
>>154382713> they were relevant.Rance is still relevant because of Rance X. /co/ is filled with newfags so no one knows them.
>>154382713> We're not talking about the manga market we're talking about FANTASY specifically.Then you are even more wrong because I can name plenty of recent japanese video games. > No you didn't. The newest thing you listed is almost 10 Houseki no kuni? A lot of those still have modern entries.
>>154382735>I can name plenty of recent japanese video games.We're not talking about video games. Good Christ, you're intentionally being a tit.>Houseki no kuni?October 25, 2012 mangaOctober 7, 2017 anime.
>>154382783> We're not talking about video gamesWe are talking about fantasy and a lof of japanese fantasy is found in their video games, especially jrpgs.> October 25, 2012 mangaThe manga ended a few years ago. It’s bullshit to count only the starting date, a lot of fantasy manga started in the 2010s and ended in the 2020s, but even then you have witch hat atelier(it doesn’t appeal to my tastes but it fits your request), Nihei’s fantasy manga, Majo to Yajuu, Shoujou-hime(also a lot of stuff that hasn’t been yet translated but doesn’t have an isekai premise)
>>154378786>fang>pet Didn’t watch the show award
>>154378786>Mira character.QRD? I'm only getting a wiki link for Mitra. Also, I only read/listen to stories written by REH himself.
>>154383100As in scripting wise she wasn't a speaking person, retard.
>>154373353>civilization was ultimately a self-cannibalizing institution.He is right. But it also renews itself as well
>>154383169well that was part of the whole point. Barbarism gives rise to civilization which collapses back to barbarism ad infinitum.
>>154374898Ishura was okay so far from the two seasons I saw even if it wasn't perfect
>>154377871Berserk is pretty uninteresting as a fantasy series. It's been a while since I read it but the only parts I really liked were the parts that had nothing to do with the main plot like the jailcell flower fairy, the rest felt kind of boring to me or I had seen it done better elsewhere.Legend of the Galactic Heroes is the closest thing I have seen to a western show, play, or opera but it isn't fantasy, it's sci-fi.I haven't found any manga or LNs for a more western approach for fantasy that I have actually thought were standout. Plenty of fantastic ones for other genres or some of the eastern interpretations of western fantasy, but no manga or LNs for western. For games I could rattle off a couple like Dark Souls too. Manga and LNs are kind of lacking for western feeling ones, but I guess vice versa is the case for truly Eastern feeling stuff produced in the West.
>>154378456nta but from what anon >>154374330 said, how many creative liberties did DH do?
>>154383169>>154383188Yeah the whole process is pretty simple if you read the history he laid out for the age and read the various stories.>Ape-Men creatures fo war primal strength and vitality gain intelligence>Ape-Men develop into humans with tribal cultures>Seeking better lives those tribes advance to more advanced civilization>Civilization still retains its primal vitality and advances with rapid development in all aspects of life (Golden Age type stuff)>Said Civilization loses its vitality stagnates and becomes decadent>The Decadent Civilization collapses in one of four ways>1 Outright destroyed by a more vital outside force (various breed's of Ape-Men if left to their own devices will evolve in different races of human that also have to climb the tech tree)>2 Conquered by a more vital outside force that then subsumes what it views as valuable from the conquered people to improve its own>3 Decadence combined with magic lets asshole wizards rot the civilization from within till thing is left4 Tectonic shifts happen and the natural disasters destroy everythingConan is the sweet spot, still primal enough to be unclouded and vital as a person, but appreciative enough of civilization to see the value in it despite the inefficiencies.For example in becoming King of Aqulonia Conan basically injected his barbarian vitality into the country without destroying its cultural identity by doing away with a lot of the politicking pretense and arbitrary prejudices that enabled its rot by being just one man and not an invading culture, and in turn pushed back the absolute decay state by at least 100 years.
>>154383253I wish there was a western animation series like Lotgh, it sucks that the japs have beat us at our own game
>>154383328>how many creative liberties did DH do?Conan takes Belit home to meet his mom, and there's something about an miscarried baby.
>>154383253I kind of disagree since I’ve enjoyed Berserk more than the majority of western fantasy comics, I’ve tried. You might enjoy guin saga
>>154383125Anon is referencing the directors previous series Primal.Basically after a season "man and his dinosaur in a savage world" adventures the series introduced a woman named Mira who the MC Spear rescues from salvers and bonds with her, only to have be be captured again and spending the entirety of the second season on a quest to save and and return her to her people.While she herself was fine barring the finale of season 2, her presence was a drag for the people who just wanted "man and his dinosaur" adventures for the rest of the show.
>>154383353*Ape-Men creatures of primal strength and vitality
>>154383363>Conan takes Belit home to meet his mom, and there's something about an miscarried baby.ohnow i see what he meanthat sounds weird and out of place
>>154383397Yeah, the comic picks back up after but that part was weird.
if he were still alivei'm sure Genndy would've give him a role
>>154383427He'd be the narrator, if I could make the call
>>154383440would've been kino
>>154376590i heard destroyer had more the classic books vibes than the 1st movie?
>>154383357People barely understand politics or fundamental principles at all anymore, and because of the many different factions there isn't even a consensus on basic things in our nations. I don't think it could be done as long as we remain in this cultural stagnation and actually fix some of these problems. Especially while a nepotistic cabal remains in control of Western media and global finance in general.>>154383382I liked Bone more than Berserk. I should reread them both to be fair since it has been a while for both, but I barely read any /co/ stuff in general. I barely watch Western animation (except older stuff) since most of it is so bad now, but I do have some interest in Primal. I should read the Conan books as well - I know literally nothing about Conan apart from the parody here and there like Korgoth which I did see.
>>154383145Those two aren’t correlated.
>>154383468Bone is wonderful. I appreciate it even more as an adult. >I know literally nothing about Conan apart from the parody here and there like Korgoth which I did see.You should read the REH stuff. It may surprise you with how different it actually is.
>>154375276That types been dead for a few years now.
>>154380864classic sword and sorcery
>>154378110Mangaka have a tendency towards “villain gets redeemed and forgiven” stories. This is for a couple reasons, but mostly it’s a combination of them forgiving themselves of their own crimes during ww2 and them forgiving the USA for an atom bomb. Their tolerance for forgiving awful things is much higher than ours. Conan doesn’t forgive his villains. There is no redemption. They die.
>>154382717Brandon Sanderson is the top fantasy author at the moment, so I’d argue that soft Mormonism is our current fantasy phase.
>>154383567I never understood Bone. I saw it at a scholastic book fair way back when (do kids still get that today?) and thought it was weird. Still do, sort of. Apparently it's a serious tale of high fantasy, but there's also three looney tunes running around messing up ancient prophecy?
>>154383629It's more like Micky Donald and Goofy get stuck in a whimsical comic strip that gradually becomes a serious adventure. and if you think this is weird you should check out Cerebus.
>>154383615>Mangaka have a tendency towards “villain gets redeemed and forgiven” stories.This is even more common in capeshit stories though
>>154383468>I liked Bone more than BerserkI had the same example in had because I actually preferred Berserk but I guess different strokes for different folks . I 100% agree with the rest of your takes and I encourage you to read Conan, the books are pure fun.
>>154383253>western fantasyAnon, western fantasy can mean a lot of things. Swedes write different types of fantasy stories compared to the Americans. It's also important to se a time frame, fantasy evolved an changed(a bit of controversial opinion but I think fantasy, even in books, has stagnated a lot after the 90s, a lot of the cool ideas of the new century have been tried and the following years have just been people mishmashing them without bringing any innovations. For pulp stuff, I suggest reading some 70s mangaka, their stories are very pulp like. Maybe a bit of a weird recommendation but Buddha by Tezuka is good.
>>154383702>Swedes write different types of fantasy stories compared to the Americans.What fantasy does sweden write? I
>>154383383Thank you.
>>154374898this kind of post was made by someone that has never read anything but SJ, there are plenty of japanese people that write great stories still alive and if you are making this comparison with western writers then you might have a problem considering cartoons and comics are in an equal if not even worse state(desu cartoons have never even got close to the best of anime in terms of writing). just read stuff outside of sj and you will be good, there are plenty of good manga waiting for you. also gennedy is not exactly the best writer either, he excels in directing and visual storytelling>>154377815good taste, that title drop is legendary
>>154383383>"man and his dinosaur" adventures for the rest of the show.You've described me.
>>154383678I intend to read them at some point. I have other things I want to read over the summer (mostly LNs) so I might do some research on what books to read in what order and give it go when I'm done. As for my takes, people usually just assume I'm shitposting when I actually criticize Berserk even if I am genuine in not thinking it is particularly great. It's certainly okay, but I've read plenty better that are genuinely great or amazing - though not in the same genre I suppose. For good western style dark fantasy weeb stuff, there are seriously slim pickings. The only real characters I remember liking are the knight lady and the flower fairy from that side story type thing. For my political takes on why Western entertainment is so bad, I'm a dyed in the wool Hitler enjoying chud, I just tried to word things in the most generic way possible because mods and jannies on this board are inconsistent when they want to go on a rampage. It's usually why I don't come here much anymore alongside western media and culture being in such a sorry state nowadays. So depending on that our tastes may not be as similar as you thought, or maybe more so. Not sure. Like I said I have to reread both Bone and Berserk at some point as well, and even though I expect my tastes to remain the same, they may change.>>154383702Western fantasy has a certain style compared to Eastern fantasy that I can't really explain without making sweeping generalizations. All I can say with any clarity is there there is a certain mood and attitude about nature that is usually absent in Eastern fantasy. Though there is a difference also between modern Eastern and traditional Eastern fantasy as well. You know, post dragon quest and isekai stuff vs Journey of the West or pic related. I feel like Eastern stuff also likes more over the top presentation and OP characters more, which has it's own appeal, but it is usually distinct from how Western fantasy is portrayed and evolved over time.
>>154383671Yeah, but it’s done in capeshit because you have to put the toys back in the box after your run so that the next writer can use them. It’s an issue with the medium, not a writing philosophy informed by culture.
>>154383808>Western fantasy has a certain styleI don't see it as an unified style really. Polish fantasy books feel different compared to german fantasy books but that's what i got from my experience. >s. All I can say with any clarity is there there is a certain mood and attitude about nature that is usually absent in Eastern fantasy.Interesting. Have you even watched the moomins anime? Do you think that at it appeals to those sensibilities? >You know, post dragon quest and isekai stuff vs Journey of the West or pic relatedAnon, DQ is from the 1980s and your pic related is from the 2010s. I feel like there are a lot of changes in between the 1980s, the 1990s and the 00s where it reached the same point as western fantasy, in the sense that only a few series stand out and no one innovates. >s more over the top presentation and OP characters morI could see that, but in this discussion pulp is over the top fun as well. >but it is usually distinct from how Western fantasy is portrayed and evolved over time.How do you think western fantasy has changed over the years? you seem to know your shit.
>>154383830>It’s an issue with the medium, not a writing philosophy informed by culture.Non-capeshit redeems characters as well, especially webcomics and cartoons, which are mostly made for children. You are more likely to find gore and killing in non-shonen manga, which end with the characters dying(which is also not a writing philosophy informed by culture but rather a convention done to keep cool looking villains as a characters, which was the case with vegeta) . Hell even in shonen manga you have Hokuto no ken.
Damn, I missed a lively thread apparentlyThis definitely seems the time to really get into REH and see what references I'll understand
>>154383890read Solomon Kane
>>154383808Nothing is above criticism in my eyes bro, so dislike what you dislike and like what you like. For dark fantasy weeb stuff I enjoyed: Bastard, Dorohedoro, Apocalypse Zero(if you count it as one), Devilman(and the Violence Jack ovas), Aiyoku no Eustia, Bestiarius and a few others but I have to check my memory.
>>154383835>Have you even watched the moomins anime?I do know that moomins is not an eastern property in origin, so I feel that is a moot point, but no I have not seen it. It is one of the many things I would like to see, however. I couldn't say for obvious reasons if it appeals to those sensibilities.>Anon, DQ is from the 1980s and your pic related is from the 2010sI am aware. My point is that time has nothing to do with it. It is an intentional style in either case. DQ invented it's own style.>I could see that, but in this discussion pulp is over the top fun as well.I like pulp, certainly. But even between pulp and DQ themed weeb stuff there is a certain tone divide even if both are zany. Star Control 2 is vastly different in tone and humor than Mahoujin Guru Guru (pic related) and both are firmly pulp and DQ inspired fantasy of at the very least decent quality and are both tongue in cheek. I cannot really describe it with words for the difference beyond a difference in presentation, or perhaps culture>How do you think western fantasy has changed over the years? you seem to know your shit.I'm hardly an expert since I barely partake in modern Western media and frankly have read an embarassingly low amount of even staple western fantasy (I have seen the films but never read LotR) but at the moment, from my perspective, it is torn between rather young adult type stuff (Eragon, Percy Jackson, most airing or recently aired animated fantasy shows) and infantile """subversions""" that no one really wants (GoT, Witcher, etc) . It also depends how you would define "fantasy" or "modern". Over the Garden Wall was brilliant and there could be a case for it being "modern" and "fantasy" and a case against it being too old and not fantasy enough (it's over 10 years ago now when it aired). But there is a certain... earnestness that modern western fantasy seems to lack that you can still find in the weeb stuff if you have an eye to avoid the slop.
>>154383913>>154383808And forgot to add, yeah you better keep a low profile the dumb /co/ mods are extremely trigger happy.
>>154383920>I do know that moomins is not an eastern property in origin,Yeah but some of the people that worked on it, also did works that explore nature in that way but like you've said it, you haven't watched it so I guess you can't know for sure. >But even between pulp and DQ themed weeb stuff there is a certain tone divide even if both are zany. I was referring more to the non-dq pulp, there have been examples mentioned itt. i guess the best example of such a manga is not even a fantasy but the manga "Red" feels exactly like a pulp story. For anime it would be for example the works of Umetsu like a kite, mezzo forte and the recent virgin punk. Btw did you like Guru Guru?>modern I would classify modern as everything in the last 10-15 years.
>>154383913It kind of depends what is meant by dark fantasy - or rather how broad you prefer to have the definition. I like Hellsing (Ultimate) and in my opinion it is the only dub better than the sub in existence, but it isn't exactly traditional fantasy with swords and dragons but a strong argument could be made that it is dark fantasy. Ishura, as I said, was okay from what I saw and I might read ahead when I have the time. Then there is stuff like the LNs for Overlord (even though it fell off and the anime was never good) which, though Isekai, was dark fantasy. Youjo Senki could be in a similar vein even though, again, it is hardly traditional. I just assume when someone says "dark fantasy" they want swords, dragons and undead. For games I can name plenty I like but it's hard to find strict dark fantasy for shows because I am strict with what I call dark fantasy because if I recommend something to someone I want to be deadly sure what they want. You could even stretch something like Machikado Mazoku into dark fantasy if you bend the definition enough, which, while a good show and manga, it feels a bit dishonest to do that.Apocalypse Zero has been on my list for some time. The only thing else I saw from what you listed was some devilman show that someone I know showed me which was decent though a bit gratuitous and over indulgent with violence (I think it was devilman baby or something).
>>154383946>non-dq pulpKamikatsu or Konosuba perhaps? They still feel quite different than western pulp. I liked guru guru quite a lot over all even if I thought a couple of the running gags were lame (especially the old man). That one island episode was great and I did like some of the other jokes. I could tell there was soul behind it even if not every single joke was to my exact taste, and I liked the plot resolution. I only saw the anime (newer one) so if the manga was different I am unaware.>I would classify modern as everything in the last 10-15 years.I would too, but usually when I talk about things like this someone demands I come up with an example within the last 5 years and I honestly couldn't name one for dark fantasy I've enjoyed beyond Ishura. Freiren is good and all, but overrated (and isn't that dark in tone) and I'm struggling to think of any within that time that aired. I can think of a handful if it is 10-15 years though certainly.
>>154383963>Kamikatsu or Konosuba perhaps?Nah, Bastard.
>>154383946>the manga "Red" feels exactly like a pulp storyEvery now and again I've heard the name thrown around, but I can't remember what people say about it. I will have to note it though. I haven't seen anything else following this that you listed, but I can be weirdly picky with what I watch or read, or I have to be in the right mood to watch/read certain genres.
>>154383958I think there is a difference between Hellsing, alternate history with fantasy in it, and Dorohedoro, a completely fictional fantasy world with its completely different worldbuilding and rules. I guess if it needs to be closer to medieval stuff then Madou no Keifu was a really good read and it's pretty recent.
>>154383970It's a western(as in the wild west) manga. >following this that you listedYou should watch those ovas they are mostly enjoyable action short movies. You will probably enjoy them if you don't have a problem with rape depictions.
>>154369022yuck, cartoons are for children
>>154383998Then read the comics faggot.
>>154377815What are your thoughts on my idea>>154371953? Do you think Koike's style would fit?
>>154383984That is my opinion too. When I hear "dark fantasy" I think of swords and demons or something. Karas also wouldn't be dark fantasy in my book (I feel like it is similar to Hellsing in many ways with the setting) even if I thought it was fairly good, though not without a couple flaws.Though speaking of Hellsing I've been meaning to read Drifters and just haven't done it because I've heard it is on eternal hiatus and I'm reading enough stuff like that. But I'm sure I'll cave one day.>>154383991It depends how the depiction is. I really dislike gratuitous hardcore sex in entertainment that isn't explicitly pornographic but if there is actual plot and theming then I may be alright with it. I was fine with it in Hellsing after all.
>>154384005>When I hear "dark fantasy" I think of swords and demons or somethingFair. >Karas Man, I haven't heard that show mentioned in a long time. I really enjoyed it and the visual novel it has inspired. I haven't read Drifter but the anime was nice.
>>154384022I only heard about Karas from browsing figs on amiami and seeing him there, thought he looked cool, then gave the show a watch. Finding good shows can come from weird places sometimes.
>>154384042True.
>>154375951I am a bit used to how all the sexy women are portrayed in the DH comic and it might be hard to Take Genndy's women serious.
>>154369022>20 years later Wow, Tartakovsky's pitches always take a long ass time to get realized >>154382632Nta, but that is moving the goalpost from>there are only a few exceptions of non-isekai slopto>there are only a few exceptions of non-isekai slop in modern timesWhen confronted with examples you had to change your definition and even that is absurd. Motherfucker, there only a few exceptions of good non-slop fantasy content in the west as well, just look at all the garbage we've been getting lately. Both the east and the west have a few exceptions in a sea of garbage in modern times.
GIVE ME SOLOMON KANE!!!!!!!!!!!
>>154377643I think it's underrated. It catches flak from being a by the numbers titillating tale, but the idea of a civilization passively resigned to annihilation due to baseline hedonism is quite cool and a monster that tumbles around raping and then eating anything it can get ahold of IA pretty grody.
>>154384066>Wow, Tartakovsky's pitches always take a long ass time to get realizedBecause he doesn't like to give ground on what he wants to make. You might feel that way too if you wasted time on Two Stupid Dogs.
>>154383615Conan's villains never seek redemption. I feel like Conan might show mercy on a villain who genuinely surrendered to his, but they don't and the kinds of wickedness they do usually preclude it, anyway.
>>154383427As Pelias, of course.
I think Howard missed an opportunity to give Conan a recurring rival. Someone who either embodied the worst vices of barbarism or the greatest virtues of civilization for him to spark off in the rare shared tale.
>>154383615>Mangaka have a tendency towards “villain gets redeemed and forgiven” storiesPerhaps. But another huge trope is that the redeemed villain dies, or the villain is just playing pretend to get close to heroes and ultimately betray them. Or they transform into a monster, and only then do the heroes kill them. Then there are the villains who genuinely just love acting according to their nature like Freeza and the Major from Hellsing. Sometimes certain authors wheel out the same trope over and over as a bad habit. The redeemed/misunderstood villain shit was getting really predictable in Gintama when someone made me watch it with them and alongside other issues it was part of why I didn't care for it. Kamen Rider on the other hand seems to love to pull the redeemed villain dying card, and it also loves to have meme betrayal villains. I don't think I need to rattle off on all the twist villains who pretend to be good then betray or the others/anti heroes/anti villains who try to change but relapse into evil. Shounen tends to do that redeem shit way too often, but I think it's just a genre thing because I tend to not see it too much because I don't really read or watch shounen. There is a wider spectrum of mainstream manga as opposed to mainstream western stuff which is pretty monotonous regarding genre since most of it is capeshit.
>>154384172I would love to have more main characters in the world of Conan than just Conan, Red Sonja and Thoth Amon. Obviously Conan will always the main character of the Hyborian age but it's a big enough setting to have different people pursuing their own goals. Like one of the coolest things about Thoth Amon in the original stories is that he causes so much trouble for Conan but they never really meet face to face. Not that I'm opposed to him having a role as a main villain in pastiches either, it just has to be done tastefully and not haphazardly like what de camp did to him.
>>154384329Pretty sure quite a bit of the cool stuff from Conan is not public domain for another year or two after he is.
Does this mean no more Primal? Genndy has a ton of things in the works and this fills that adult action niche.
>>154371171don't care about idiots like you think who can't even explain what a woman is>>154371279so you should hate Genndy and other liberals for turning every single piece of media into "white men bad, woman strong" bs>>154371314yet he never rescues her and she but he constatly needs help form girlbosses
>>154384451Good question. They haven't renewed or canceled primal yet
>>154383357>LotghLotgh is trash it's babby's philosophy discussion, it's nothing but a bunch of the most basic surface level philosophy 101 takes
>>154385283Did reddit give you this opinion? That basic surface level philosophy can still not be found in any western cartoons because there is no western equivalent of lotgh.
>>154385283care to back up your claim?How is it only a basic surface level of philosophy
>>154385283why bait the tr/a/nnies when the threads about to die?
>>154385449>cartroon faggot seething againWhy are you like this?
