>>154369241
Homer didn't attempt to rape Marge, so Homer isn't quite as abusive.

>>154369241
No he isn’t stupid, what he did was wrong and Marge calls him out on it, the thing is Homer didn’t do it out of malice he’s just legit dumb and thought this was the smart move. Later he realizes this was wrong and accepts he fumbled Marge, marge later see’s the well meaning he had despite the way he tried to get to know her. Artie is the opposite he wanted marge and tried to force himself on her he didn’t feel bad he tried to force himself he felt bad that it didn’t work.

"Why don't men pursue us anymore?"

>>154369560
Homer knew what he was doing you moron, he says so.

>I only robbed that bank because I wanted the money from the bank.
Yes, that is the problem.

Artie is just a horny creep who wanted to touch Marge's tits and didn't respect her boundaries.
Homer is a fucking tactical-grade manipulator. And their whole relationship/marriage is hinged on this.

>"I'm not in a french class
>I did this so I could know you"
>wtf this is the worst thing a man could ever do
I guess at least it's not "Milhouse doesn't count"

>>154371182
>Homer is a fucking tactical-grade manipulator. And their whole relationship/marriage is hinged on this.
>their whole relationship/marriage is hinged on this.
Huh?

>>154371182
Like I said Homer didn’t do it out of malice. He thought marge would find it charming and funny, that’s why he told her. He was wrong and later realizes it was a mistake. Homer is legit dumb anon he’s not a master chess player and don’t post that stupid new zombie simpsons episode of him being a master chess player that idea was stupid.

>>154369871
There's a difference between enjoying some Twilight trash, and a man doing something like this IRL.
I hope you realize this, anon.

>>154371304
He was acting out of malice, not ignorance. He knew what he was doing, because
>he told her.

Rewatch the scene: he tells her because she says she values honesty, so he decides to be honest. He outright calls it a 'scheme', Anon.

The ignorance is him not understanding her rejection. But it's more like a psychopath than, say, an autist.

And yeah yeah it's a cartoon, but this is one of the more grounded episodes: it's not teeming with magic robots.

>>154369241
>>154371421
Never watched the episode. Why is pretending to be in a class to get to know a girl there the zenith of evil?

>>154371453
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_by_deception

>>154371453
Because people say they value honesty but that’s a lie, people value morals.

>>154369241
>"I lied to get to know you.
vs.
>"I took you out, you owe me sex."
Lying is bad, but rape is worse.

>>154371510
when did Homer rape Marge?

>>154369241
Artie is a rapist.

>>154371453
because anything against a woman is the zenith of evil.
Unless you're brown.

>>154371609
It would be funny if that was a lie.

>>154371453
>Why is it the zenith of evil?
Woman moment. Don't try too hard to understand it.

>>154371356
Enjoy your cats.

>>154371453
This is just anons venting about their inability to score. Homer's problem is that he told Marge the truth. If you lie you have to keep lying. It's like drinking alcohol.

>>154371745
>Homer's problem
Is that he sounded like an idiot when he told the truth and wasn't making her panties drip?

The context is that Homer was willing to learn an entirely new language for no other reason than to be able to spend time with Marge.
He's scummy for lying about needing to do it, but it was a genuine display of both commitment and self improvement, and that's what marge really admired.

>>154369871
The only men claiming not to pursue anymore are losers that already were too afraid to pursue anyone

>>154371578
t. former snake, this is true.
learn when to be dishonest. you're just a sperg if you're a "actually, i never lie :)" nice guy and you literally never lie.
meanwhile, people can sniff out integrity and principles. the autistic-truth-tellers would be the first to jump into the Titanic's lifeboats, because "TECHNICALLY..."

>>154371824
>that's what marge really admired.
She admired that he was straightforward and unpretentious (as opposed to Artie, who is clearly trying to impress people).

Patty and Selma discuss that Marge DOES date and her dates "get homelier every year", so she's not like some female version of an incel.

>>154371356
Obviously.
Edward/Robert Pattinson is attractive, whereas Homer isn't.
If an unattractive man acts the way an attractive guy does, that means he's pure evil. And just misguided in his pursuits.

>>154369241
Artie literally tried to rape her, dumbass

>>154371182
Artie thought he was entitled to touching Marge's tits because he paid for a nice prom night
Marge said no several times, and if Artie was horny enough he probably would have tried to rape her

How is running a scheme to get close to Marge and spend time with her in any way comparable to actual sexual assault?
Homer did not sleep with Marge before he told her the truth about failing French

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>>154371853
that's why were seeing shit like this a lot.

>>154371578
>>154371888
I don't get it
how does being moral/having principles tie in with lying?

>>154371939
>She admired that he was straightforward and unpretentious
I honestly never understood this part of the episode
They didn't actually give them a reason to hook up other than needing to because the show wouldn't make sense otherwise
The same as any episode where Marge forgives Homer, she has no reason to, especially when she's spazzing out at him for no good reason

>>154371853
>>154372020
And there's the hypocrisy.
If women are just as capable as men, why can't they do the pursuing for once?
Oh, yeah. Because being rejected hurts. But the "empathic gender™" don't seem to understand it hurts for guys too.
That and it's a waste of time and money. Which a lot of guys don't have nowadays.

>>154372176
It's also bullshit.
people think they can just reverse Uno shit thrown at them and it's still valid.>>154372020

Do ANY guys care about a woman's status, money, or clout,. Mayyyyybe height though even that is rare

>>154371853
Anon, women created the idea of incels to shame the MGTOW thing and burned every male safespace they could to get to men.

It's kind of pathetic. Watching 30+ year old women who spent the majority of their life screaming about hating men marriage children wanting their career and to whore around now realize that men don't want them and no longer pursue even for easy pussy.
The lisa simpsons who thought they were doomed to having their bright boundless limitless futures cut short by a child and or a husband and 2.5 kids are now all mid level debt slaves and spinsters.

>>154372176
Anon, women would often ask men to help them or act the damsel in distress for male attention and to lure us into a clever trap.
Needing help with "insert thing here" is a classic female tactic.

>>154371853
Literally everyone just uses dating apps now, what do you mean?

>>154372341
>women created the idea of incel
Guys from r/asianmasculinity were the ones that created the whole concept of an incel, including the name.
Must be nice living in in the irreality where you don't bear any responsibility for your failures.

>>154372372
It's been revealed that dating apps are 100% rigged to keep you on dating apps, unhappy, and easy to sell shit too.
They even pay third worlders to create and maintain hundreds of fake profiles.

>>154372020
Why the fuck would I want a woman with status and clout? I'm not a Medieval nobleman

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>>154371965
>Attractive people are attractive.
We're on some next-level Poe's Law shit here, anon.

It genuinely is that. But a lot of younger men do act like it's surprising, like, no shit: women find handsome men handsome. 10-year-olds used to know that, now 25-year-old zoomers react like it's shocking. As if gravity suddenly reversed or something.

>>154372508
women are morons that can't think beyond themselves.

>>154372475
Technically speaking a woman invented incel but to describe herself on a small message board. The modern Incel rhetoric didn't start until around the late 00s on places like /r9k/ to describe themselves. Then popularized with normalfags when a muslim incel tried to truck of peace people because he couldn' tget laid.

Are you making a joke about male feminist like Artie pretend that everyone is a rapist or a dumbfuck in a patriarchy , but then are the first that would love to abuse the first female they saw?

>>154372475
The entire idea of and coining of the word comes from a aromantic woman from canada.
She created a group of people who were similarly aesexual and had low sexual urge and built a community around it.

Women started using the term "incel" as a pejorative to describe the growing and nigh impenetrable "MGTOW" movement that was picking up steam online.

They've managed to pass the word around so much and toss it at men and even get media to use the term that they've memed it into reality. Even going so far as to wormtongue men into being their fantasy incel character they need as a strawman to plug the giant male flight away from relationships and women hole.
A convenient...drape they toss over the rampaging elephant in the room.

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>>154372554
>women are morons
This is the answer to all the "problems" and "contradictions" pointed out in this thread, anything else is cope.
The smartest woman is only as smart as any slightly-smarter-than-average man. Anything else about them, life rules, dating behavior and ideology is downstream from that.

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>>154372046
>The same as any episode where Marge forgives Homer, she has no reason to, especially when she's spazzing out at him for no good reason

for me, it's this episode. i understand the Mindy episode: it's lust not love, Homer doesn't want to cheat on Marge for the sake of sex.

but why DOESN'T he fuck Lurlene? if i was writing this episode, i'd write in a scene where she meets Bart and Lisa and it turns out she's horrible to them, because she HATES children and would make a terrible mother.

they forgot to write in a downside, basically. the wrong choice is staying with Marge, but the show has to stick to the status quo, so...

>>154372475
Incel was coined by a lesbian who seethed because she couldn't get laid after some date with another women.
Then some board here or people from Something awful started using It , many ironically many unironically.
Then, the term went to reddit or tumbrl or whatever, and some people seriously belive used that term and though they were opressed.
Then retarded people used this as a buzzword some of them against people who weren't virgin.

>>154372020
>ideal man is an anime twink with "I'm not addicted to coffee" eyes and metrosexual clothes
>woman sees herself as a penniless 16 year old girl who afford a PS5
>thinks all men want PS5s and tall, rich women with a xitter grift
Is this more or less achievable than the "Please don't get creampied by Chad and Tyrone" images? Both sides seem to want someone with the qualities of a <15 year old (hasn't slept around yet, hasn't had testosterone hit yet)

>>154372741
The wrong choice is betraying your wife for a girl that has daddy issues.

>>154372508
If that means that they have a good job and work ethic, I can dig it. If it's just their own retarded perception of it in their even more retarded social circle, pass.

>>154372766
Something Awful is such a strange place.
they went from lollin at Chris-Chan for being an autist, to nowadays actually banning anyone who says
>sperg
as a joke/insult.

but they still have their airs that they're mature and elite because the userbase is older (now 40+ year olds), so shit's weird dawg. you don't have to be an evil fascist Nazi to just dislike a website that 'calls out transphobia' when transsexuals bring it up in every. fucking. thread.

>>154371182
Homer Simpson a tactical grade manipulator? The man cant even remembers Burns’ first name when pretending to be him

>>154372873
Yes, he's a parody of the Sitcom leading man, who were masters of social manipulation and psychological control.

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>>154372741
>but why DOESN'T he fuck Lurlene?
Because Homer is a christian and not a jew so isn't celebrated for immoral behavior
>they forgot to write in a downside
And then seemingly made Homer's decision destroy her given all her subsequent appearances

>>154372001
>Marge said no several times, and if Artie was horny enough he probably would have tried to rape her
it was the 70s so he would have probably gotten away with it lol

>>154371965
Isn't young Homer considered attractive or at least decent looking?

>>154372784
there's a difference between a girl who has had a few relationships and the town bike.

>>154369241
>Homer is legitimately more abusive than Artie in this episode
People who actually believe this are the reason why Millennials and Zoomers are losing the ability to make connections with human beings in real life.

>>154372020
>Kind
>Kind
So anything I tell her in confidence won't be used as ammunition during an argument or disagreement?


>>154372176
>tfw had a friend chasing pussy and dating bitches off apps
>he gets laid like crazy but they always use him and he's desperate for a relationship
>Always tells me how "The sex is great." makes me feel like he hasn't had good sex and this is a massive cope
>Constantly being a lost puppy to bitches who treat him like a dildo and make it clear that's all they want
Women are the empathetic gender, empathetic of themselves, fuck you and your feelings, though.
Also fuck my friend for being an idiot and keeping on chasing that shit despite me trying to let him know.

>>154372829
that's not what they mean by status and clout.

look at her holding the phone, showing off how many followers she has. That's the kind of shit they think men actually give a fuck about.

>>154373124
>So anything I tell her in confidence won't be used as ammunition during an argument or disagreement?
Sounds like you wanna date a guy.

>>154373276
If he looks enough like a girl, yeah.

>>154372923
it's objectively better for him, his wife, his would-be-girlfriend, and his children, if he succumbed to Lurleen's advances. they did not write her as an evil person. this is some pop Christianity bullshit, like when people say 'Christians cannot kill' (of course they can).
Homer is a protestant. this is the whole reason protestants came into being.

he isn't doing the right thing morally, he's obeying the following code:
>1. each episode has to end with a reset because it's episodic television.
>2. Matt Groening's autistic rule that neither Marge nor Homer can have a genuine affair, ever.
(later writers have found all sorts of workarounds for #2, but who cares.)

>>154372176
do you remember when the fad was
>men should be more OPEN about their feelings! it's okay to talk! there's no shame in it!
? well, turns out we all had the wrong feelings and spoke too much. how shameful.

i'm sure men who don't enlist for the upcoming war will be treated respectfully :^)

>>154373665
>Open up to me, why aren't you opening up to me!
>[feelings]
>mmmm i don't like that, bye

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>>154373713
damned if you do, damned if you don't.

pop culture is to blame for a lot of this (and now social media, for younger adults). not that every cartoon has to be a 'message show', but we were 100% lied to.

>>154373853
I think the worst thing about pop culture of the time, is the lie of "If you're a nerd, you'll get the girl at some point."
Also the whole, take literally all the bullshit a woman gives you because you get sex, and sex is the good stuff, I went a good chunk of my life believing this and taking bullshit

>>154372475
Just the daily life of a woman :^)

i'm gonna just say what we're all fucking thinking
women owe me peace of mind

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>>154369241
History is typically written by the winners.

The Simpsons writers' room was full of losers, however. This was their idealized view of how a love story should unfold.

My whole life I had to deal with a mother who constantly told me men were disgusting, and put me through all sorts of bullshit.
Now I can't stand her and hope I actually go through with killing myself so she can't suck anymore resources out of me.

>>154374278
>History is typically written by the winners.

History is writen by the people who write stuff down. You know how many "winners" there where in history that are now complete losers or lost to time? If you want be remembered you have to do something great, weather it be good or evil, but whatever gets writen down isn't fully up to you.

>>154374278
This episode had three credited writers.

The Simpsons is one of those shows where I care who wrote it, "oh cool, it's a Jon Vitti episode". There are good writers and bad writers. Not just some anonymous "writing room".

How they fucked this particular one up is beyond me. It's like if your friend said
>Hey we all want to eat people, right? It's just that cannibalism is illegal?
then your other friend chimed in with
>Yeah.

>>154374383
A lot of embittered internet rhetoric boils down to “cruel things my mom said”

>>154374383
how old are you (roughly)?

don't be afraid to just not get resource-sucked, anon. the complaints about "entitlement" go both ways, but at the end of the day, you're under no legal pressure to support your mother. she's just another person (and nobody would complain if, e.g., a teenage girl ran away from her abusive dad).

>>154373065
That's sexist.
Women are all the exact same. The spinsters, gross skanks, whores, loser foids, and queer women, all of which no man wants, says so.

Check your privilege sexist bigot.

>>154374524
I turn 34 this friday, once my grandma died I was in my mom's sights.

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>>154371510
>Muh Intersectional Post Modernism
>See this Pozzer article agrees with me therefore it's right!

You are a fucking plant.

>>154373938
This. I was the jock and hung like a horse and to my surprise was a pretty man and charming.
I spent my time waiting for "the one" and being the nice guy and following the nerd paradigm thinking that was what being a good man was.

No. It's being a loser punching bag. Thankfully I didn't fall for the "redeemed whore/gross loser chick who becomes a great wife" lie that is pimped all across media now.

>>154371510
Explain women who lie about who they are, has tons of plastic surgery, and wear make up by the fist full.

>>154369241
No

>>154374560
similar age to you, anon.

my parents are struggling with their health/brains. but they have other people (and here, the state) to look after them. it sucks, but i also have lifelong physical/mental/social problems because of choices they freely made.

i do feel guilty, like i'm LARPing as a psychopath. but any conversation with my mother and she just goes right back into preying on that.

basically, don't beat yourself if you have to cut your parents out of your life. and i hope you have met (or do meet) decent women. they exist, despite what the internet will tell you.

>>154372741
Yeah Simpsons was never good at writing marriage on the rock episodes, doesn't help that the writers are obnoxious liberals even back then and they double down on LETS MAKE FUN OF THE FATHER KNOWS BEST TROPE!

Also Marge wasn't helping in the episode.

Its all a crock of shit anyway.

>>154372297
Status and clout are a turnoff to me. I have absolutely none of either so I could never compete. Money would be nice though but not rich just gainfully employed.

>>154372297
>Do ANY guys care about a woman's status, money, or clout.

Yes? What do you think a whore or slut is? Those are lables to set someones status. I can go further but like, you honestly can't be that far under a rock to think men literally don't give 2 shits about who they date in any other context. That's exactly why dating is so fucked right now because both sides are hyper fixated on those 3 things.

>>154372741
>they forgot to write in a downside
the downside is being unfaithful to your spouse.

you're forever alone though, so you wouldn't understand.

>>154375156
that's not what the pic is referring to and you know it. re-read >>154373240
Do EITHER of the two women in that pic have anything referring to a body count?

>>154373124
There's a pretty good comic I've seen sotrytimed here that serves a pretty good critique of hookup culture and modern sexuality, it wasn't a religious thing from what I could see, just someone noticing how people are getting hurt.

>>154374489
People don't taste that great, it's really a sex thing

>>154375311
>wise/beneficial action is inherently bad.
>not for any reason, but because it just is.

thanks for advising me to never join YOUR religion, anon.

>>154371888
>former snake
Who turned you into a human?

>>154375705
a really nice wizard. he cast Snakes to Sticks -> Wood to Stone -> Stone to Flesh.

he even gave me $50 for some clothes + the bus (i spent it on crack.)

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What the fuck is wrong with the people in this thread?
I know I'm on 4chan but fucking hell OP and others are socially.

>>154376123
socially what, anon? did candlejack get you, or did you accidentally a w

>>154373938
>>154373853
it's more that cartoons would portray female characters as a lot smarter and more put together than women ever are IRL

>>154372741
they always had a strict rule where they can't show H&M cheating on each other. the show had a long list of rules of stuff the writers were and weren't allowed to do, Conan O'Brien said he was surprised when he first encountered this.

>>154371853
Pursuing for the last ten years or so basically gets you labeled as being a creep and possible potential rapist if you're not good looking with a good income. A lot of "losers" are too afraid to pursue anyone as much out of fear of being given shitty labels or having their lives ruined for the crime of talking to someone while not being aesthetically pleasing enough as much as it is fear of being rejected.

>>154372372
Only brown people use those though.

>>154371609
you must understand, since the late 90s, dating has been synonymous with sex.
that's why everyone started freaking out about age differences in dating. Before, dating was getting to know somebody.

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>>154376188
the 'Simpson Gene' episode is legitimately depressing.

they're going to pull this shit with Hermione in the new Harry Potter series. the casting directors don't understand she's a flawed character (she's intelligent and has 'main character energy', any bullying is a coincidence).

>>154371888
I never lie because I'm lazy. You have to keep track of your lies and it's just a fucking waste, not to mention it ruins trust.
>>154372022
well technically the only official commandment we ever got was not to lie in COURT. and yknow, by extension, not make up accusations and gossip about people. Buuut ol' Scratch is frequently referred to as the father of lies, and just generally it seems like lying is not cool. It's just... sometimes better to lie than to let something worse happen. You lie to protect national secrets, you lie that your husband is home so nobody breaks in, etc.

>>154376461
it was funny the first time, we didn't know how bad things were going to get

thank christ for Bob's Burgers, even if only 12 seasons are watchable. They were pioneers in "women can be idiots too" writing, and then American Dad followed suit, and Star Vs and Gravity Falls and all of those shows gave us dumb girls who really only survive by men rolling their eyes and bailing them out.

>>154376452
>you must understand, since the late 90s, dating has been synonymous with sex
you mean the 70s?

>>154376452
this. in my 35 years of life, i've had sex with 10 people. about 7 of those were unwanted because it was 'modern dating' (2010s).

'dating' itself is now just speed dating with sex added. people even say shit like you're meant to have sex ASAP, to test compatibility. as if you can't work together like human beings.

>>154374278
>>154374783
it's funny you should say that because they always said they didn't care about the female characters and just wanted to write Homer and Bart episodes, and Sam Simon was a huge /r9k/fag since he got divorced and didn't let them hire female writers.

>>154376528
i'm Swedish and it's always kind of been like that here. sex is just a casual thing you do when you and a girl hang out, and maybe if you decide you like each other it might become a serious relationship.

>>154376574
i'm Scottish, UK tends to be 'less European' with sex, i suppose.

it's not even a religious thing. you fancy a lass, you get to know each other, of course you'll have pre-marital sex. but I'VE made it to double digits...? get tae fuck, society.

>>154372721
It's insane to me we literally have hundreds upon hundreds of years of literally everyone in history talking about how retarded and irresponsible women are yet here were for the past ~50 years thinking something magically changed and that we're different.

>>154376522
from the 70s through the early 90s, dating was considered an OPPORTUNITY for sex. but it was FAR from guaranteed. Slutty girls would give it away easily, but even the horniest regular folk waited for the third date at the absolute soonest. And most people would wait longer.
After that whole 'even the president gets blowjobs from interns' thing, all bets were off.
>>154376528
u-unwanted? Sorry to hear that..
>>154376574
It's sad, we could learn so much from scandinavians, but that is one area you've got it super wrong.
Now casual kissing, casual mutual masturbation, absodamnlutely. If we did more of that, we'd have a lot less of all this promiscuous sex going on, thanks to the ol' refractory period.

anyway this was a very very sweet Simpsons episode. I appreciate that Artie wasn't a straight up monster, just a horny nerd whose hormones got away from him, and once she slapped him, he stopped and apologized. There are much, much worse systems than that. But they also showed that he's more interested in his own image than genuinely apologetic.
>>154376637
So what happened is, in the 50s, all these modern conveniences showed up. vacuum cleaners, etc... housewives' work, previously seen as VITAL to the community, started to be denigrated by the new culture of swingin' comedy entertainment. Wives were demeaned and kinda shat on, and so naturally the next generation sprang back super hard and destroyed everything, because they can't do math (double the workers means half the pay per hour, fuckin duh)
Same as how all the rampant paranoid homophobia that made it weird for guys to even be in a room together, directly caused the modern rainbow shit. People are springs, you push too hard and they spring back.

for example my parents met at a party in the late 80s and fucked because it was something to do and sex feels nice, and eventually something clicked and they started seeing each other regularly, and then i was born a few years later

>>154376528
>this. in my 35 years of life, i've had sex with 10 people. about 7 of those were unwanted because it was 'modern dating' (2010s).
that was feminists decided consent can be retroactively revoked after you already had sex if she decided your performance wasn't good enough

>>154376673
>>154376720
how do you know this shit and stay positive?

not being sarcastic: you seem considerate and thoughtful, but good-natured (as much as i can glean from a 4chan post, anyway).

what's your secret? WHAT DO YOU KNOW THAT WE DON'T???

>>154376775
it's crazy that that's not even in the top 99% most fucked up shit they decide now.
I heard "you can rescind your consent to see someone nude at any point" the other day. Yeah that's logical and not at all psychotic.

>>154376554
I think James L. Brooks and Al Jean were the most vocal male feminists on the show's staff.

>>154376775
>>>/pol/
>>>/r9k/
>>>/meds/

>>154376828
>stay positive
I haven't had a positive out look in 14 years. The important thing is continuing to put your trust in the man upstairs, even when things are clearly garbage. Because he didn't promise us good times. He promised us this, it was real clear.
This world never mattered. We just have to prepare for the next one, spread the word the best we can about the free access, and generally just try not to make things any worse.
That's been my focus. As long as I can go to sleep knowing I didn't make the fucked up world one iota worse today, then I'm a rock in the stream. I might get worn down, but for the time being, i'm churning it up just by BEING here.

>>154376840
i should say both of them have serious daddy issues, in Brooks's case because his father abandoned him when he was a child

>>154376903
glad you have your faith, anon. i don't (agnostic, fuck knows how the world works). 'NOT causing harm' brings me comfort, but the world would be better off without me.
that's not miseryposting, it's just practical. i think all boys/men realize at a certain point how 'disposable' they are. that's not to say we should be misogynists or against equality, but we instinctively know how things would go in wartime or on a desert island.

shit just sucks.

>>154376250
always wondered what all the rules were?

>>154377059
I have always said agnostics are the most honest people. They freely admit they don't know, which is true of everyone, but few others fess up.
All I ever ask of people is to look for the signs. Ask how it is that a group of people who have remained tiny, relatively weak, and unimpressive, have been put upon by literally everyone around them, massive empires, huge cults, guys with funny moustaches and pinwheels on their arms, yet somehow survived.

Men are disposable only in the sense that, in an emergency, one man can impregnate lots of women, while the reverse doesn't work out so well. But what society has rejected still has value. You can feel it when you man up, take control of something, solve something. that energy just flows through you like 'oh right, this is what I'm for.' like when you take a pet water spaniel that's never left the yard to the lake, and the instincts kick in.
I'm sure you can find things all around you that are better off because you were there to affect them. I'm reminded of that Frasier episode where he sees a woman waiting on the corner in the rain, lets her into his car to give her a ride, turns out she's a transvestite prostitute and the cops immediately pull him over, his life goes to shit, he has to cringily explain it to his son, then we cut back to the street corner and realize that entire episode was all in his paranoid imagination, and he still does the right thing and lets her in.

>>154371182
>Homer is a fucking tactical-grade manipulator.
Homer Simpson, Manipulator.
The man with a crayon on his brain, outsmarted by a chicken and left behind by zombies that eat brains?
Are you even talking about the same character as we know him or are you projecting bullshit on Homer to feel smart?

>>154377236
'jerkass homer' is somewhat of a manipulator purely because everyone just gives in and lets him do whatever he wants
regular homer is not

>>154377236
He fakes being low IQ to get others to do things for him.

He actually has really high social intelligence.

>>154377451
He doesn't anyone who thinks he's smart usually thinks he's just stupid like a fox before realizing he's just that dumb.

>>154371853
True, so that means only the women who complain about men not pursuing are losers who were never pursued in the first place

>>154373065
There really isn't

>>154377511
what about men who complain about women who complain about men not pursuing? like you're doing now...?

>>154375156
Men like sluts they just don't commit. No one likes whores unless they accept that sex workers are the same as sex toys

>>154376522
The 60s really. Dating as traditional courtship was already falling off as it was an illusion derived from the reality of prostitution.

>>154377511
all pursuit should be done by women. the man's job is to be pursuable.
It's like a business. You set up your shop, you make it look nice, you maybe even shout FREEESH FIIIISH, but you do not run down the street holding a fish, urging people to buy it.
The woman is a customer, that's basic nature. But they are terrified now, and refuse to go to the market. So sure enough, here come the door to door salesmen, and that makes them even more scared.

>>154377611
Im not complaining just observing your hypocrisy

>>154377759
what a terribly sad thing to believe

hmm what was >>154377777 , let's see

>>154377796
I don't think anyone should chase or pursue. Defeats the purpose of attraction.

>>154377819
Not really what I believe its a fact. Before paternity test, child support, and contraception there were shotgun weddings. You think it coincidental the sexual revolution happens around the same time as birth pills?

>>154377840
what the FUCK do you mean by this?

So is OP a rapist who is just projecting? I can't follow what's going on in the thread.

>>154377905
now i want to know what >>154377819 actually believes.

of course people fall in love, but i feel like you're just being realistic about history/biology.
my grandparents probably did not have premarital sex. they also married three months after meeting. they had eight children, without deciding "hm, let's have eight kids."

>>154377905
you think the family unit is inherently prostitution
>>154377840
well if women did it, they wouldn't NEED to do MUCH. that's the beauty part.
>>154377984
The marriage and dowry system is men taking care of women because they would be hopeless on their own, and they get a sellable trinket in case that man dies or runs away later.
Prostitution is women taking advantage of men because THEY are hopeless on their own, then giving the money to another man who beats them.

>>154378251
you're contradicting yourself.
i know 'prostitution' as a word has negative connotations, but you're basically saying
>it's not a form of prostitution.
>it's actually protected prostitution.

the real issue is seeing it as a bad thing. yes, women are weaker and think emotionally rather than systemically. they've also found cunning ways to work with what they've got. good for them.

>>154369478
You can't rape the willing. Marge knew what she was doing when she got in that car

>>154378392
it's basically opposite.

>>154378450
what DID she want, if not sex?

>>154377072
Yeah, this is something that you would think would be in an "Art of" book.
>>154377187
Right now, the only major value men have that women lack is their strength. We need men alive to do the heavy lifting, take on jobs in construction and repair, and do the work women are afraid to do. If you aren't for breeding or got brawn, you better be brainy or else you're cannon fodder.

>>154378682
You're so focused on the more tangible things
Men are needed for things like decisionmaking, organization, executive functions, and all-around integrity and reliability.

>>154378775
women can't lead or command, it's simply not their purpose and they weren't evolved for it

Try and grasp that all the way up to the 60s, marriage was extremely regulated and transactional.

>can only date someone of your race/religious denomination/social standing
>dates are carefully supervised and chaperoned
>marriage at an early age is expected, not more than a few years after turning 18 in most cases
>there is no reliable birth control and abortion is illegal and dangerous, this will significantly reduce women's motivation to have sex outside marriage

>>154376510
>They were pioneers in "women can be idiots too" writing
Boss baby vibes

>>154378854
>18
they didnt really have the '18' meme back then

>>154378775
>>154378815
Source that isn't "trust me bruh". Plenty of women have been in charge and done fantastic jobs. There's too many to be an exception or DEI hires.

>>154378982
I'm not the guy who said even the smartest woman is only as smart as the dumbest man

there's significant overlap. Maybe 1 in 10 women are good leaders. You can never just toss anyone out for being a woman. you can just toss out an all- or even largely-female group as nonfunctional in certain areas
Naturally an all-male group is deficient in some other areas too.

criminy, guys, can't we talk more about classic Simpsons? I wonder if Julie Kavner had to study to get her French to sound so good, or if she knew already. Maybe that's why they wrote that in.

>>154378982
that's absurd because we've had legal parity (what 'equality' used to mean) for decades.

Margaret Thatcher was divisive (to put it mildly) but she was powerful, because she was a very specific TYPE of women. Britain has had two more female Prime Ministers since, both in the last five years.

so what was stopping women, all this time? the implication is always there's some external force, not their own character/choices. pretty sexist, if you ask me!

>>154379075
>Naturally an all-male group is deficient in some other areas too
did anyone argue that? as anon said the Simpsons had no female writers until Sam Simon left. they could add a different perspective to the show that the male writers could not.

>>154379106
>>154379075
>Power -> narrative control -> loss of access to reality -> contact with reality -> failure to cope -> denial -> rationalization -> projection = fragile imagination based coping mechanism

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I don't give a fuck about whatever argument you faggots are having, but this happens to be my favorite episode of all time, right next to Bart the General. It's legitimately touching to see Homer and Marge come together despite a few roadbumps and Artie's desperation exposing him as a scumbag while Homer's ignorance though costing him Marge's favor, prompted him to get another chance with her after hearing her father approve of him.

Honorable mention to One Fish, Two Fish, Blowfish, Blue Fish, seeing Homer excited for Marge's cooking was another highlight for me, they always loved each other and while I haven't watched any new episodes, I assume the current writers still kept that part of their marriage intact.

>>154378450
lol especially in the 70s. i know perfectly well what boomers told me about that era. willingly getting in a car with a guy was considered consent. you had to actually abduct a chick against her will or beat her up for it to be considered rape.

>>154379258
>Honorable mention to One Fish, Two Fish, Blowfish, Blue Fish, seeing Homer excited for Marge's cooking was another highlight for me, they always loved each other and while I haven't watched any new episodes, I assume the current writers still kept that part of their marriage intact.

you're kind of right. Matt Selman canned all of Jean's constant marriage crisis bullshit and he basically made it that H&M's relationship is this Tiny Tim "Tiptoe Through The Tulips" life is wonderful hugs and kisses thing.

>>154371182
Why do i feel that a cunt wrote this post

>>154379106
I don't know if I count the PM that lasted less than a head of lettuce. There's still the cultural force. Traditions and religion are hard to let go of. Having women propose marriage is looked down upon in society because we make it out to be emasculating. Then there's the biological factors- young women have periods that may take them out for a couple of days a month and of course pregnancy which takes at least a month from a woman's career. Women are penalized for having babies, but that's just how life is. It's not fair women get maternity leave for life choices but men usually only receive worker's compensation if they're injured or sick and that's rarely by choice.

>>154371182
>Homer is a fucking tactical-grade manipulator. And their whole relationship/marriage is hinged on this.
Marge fell for it so ultimately it's all on her.

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>>154378982
>Plenty of women have been in charge and done fantastic jobs. There's too many to be an exception or DEI hires.

Source that isn't "trust me bruh".

>>154379670
Like look up a recent movie. A third of the title screen crew (director, writer, producer) is probably going to be women.

>>154379258
based taste.

also i get a laugh out of the S02 animation jank. this episode is so burned into my brain
>Wait, wait, wait! Don't go, don't go!

you casuals can look it up on Frinkiac or something, Homer runs across the floor like he's 2 ft tall.

>>154372741
Because it's a boring sitcom fake-out hung on a shallow gimmick (a sexy country singer? on The Simpsons!?)

>>154372741
>i understand the Mindy episode: it's lust not love, Homer doesn't want to cheat on Marge for the sake of sex.
You dumb motherfucker; Mindy is written to be the perfect woman for Homer. If he wasn't already married to Marge he absolutley should have married her right away. The point of the epsiode is that making committments reduces your freedom of action, even if "something better" comes along, and how this is not a bad thing; once Homer stops worrying about his desire for Mindy and actually thinks about what he wants; he chooses to remain loyal to Marge and is very happy with it.

>>154379389
of course, but there's the tendency to OVERSTATE the cultural factor. i mean, you can look at this across cultures and identify universal traits.
it's been proven time and time again that men tend to be the extremes: they're the CEOs, but they're also the homeless. our monke brains are the thing that HASN'T changed, whatever civilization/context we're in.

if the argument is that everyone should be vying for power (why? i'm a man, i don't want much power) then you're essentially telling women they should behave like men. and hell, i've worked in care: i was pretty much LARPing as a woman a lot of the time (mindset/activity, not a trans thing). women are better at nurturing than men. shit's impressive yo.

>>154379389
women have always proposed marriage. that way the answer is always yes. they're the ones most at risk, at least traditionally.
>>154379258
yeahh they had so many sweet moments as a couple.

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>>154379802
Mindy's immediate attraction to Homer should be like a red flag.
Lurleen is initially a waitress who assumes he's just another perv, but they get to know each other, they genuinely respect each other as people. It's less superficial.

Cartoon show etc., but IRL, Mindy would be one of those BPDemons we've all heard so much about.

>>154379907
She's a plot device in a story about Homer.

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>>154379309
Good.
I've listened to some of Marge in a few clips over the last year and...man. I'm waiting to see how they handle Kavner's eventual retirement if not outright...I better not say it. But there's another big moment coming in the Simpsons and it's not gonna be pretty.

>>154379855
There are some biological factors. I'm not going to deny that. Males are typically more inclined in the sciences while females are often the artistic ones. You also need to keep in mind how many men inherit positions because they're an executive's or owner's kid. It's just as common in small business as it is in conglomerates. Boomer work culture still grasps onto power and we're all worse for it. Half the working population should be working from home and the other half shouldn't be expected to dress up for work. But that would hurt real estate, so everybody must be miserable to stroke the penises of these men.

>>154380028
i know they famously have some weird contracts (look up the deal Sam Simon got, holy shit)
but
why NOT replace her? James Earl Jones was the voice of Darth Vader. and yet, someone out there in the world can do a pitch-perfect JEJ/Vader impression. Marge no longer sounds like Marge. she sounds like an actress genuinely struggling ;_;

>>154380057
>You also need to keep in mind how many men inherit positions because they're an executive's or owner's kid. It's just as common in small business as it is in conglomerates.
oh that's a fair point, actually. i was wondering earlier how the whole '_____ & Son(s)' thing works nowadays. i've never seen a butcher's called 'Smith & Children' or something.

but within the scope of what meritocracy we have, or if you dumped 100 men + 100 women on a desert island, women's own agency isn't getting enough credit. i hate that these are now hushed conversations i have with women.
>i like it when men are the ones in control, actually.
>i prefer to be told what to do than decide for myself.
>i miss when i was younger and men were nice to me because of my looks.
>i would rather be a mother rather than start my own business.

it's like my 30something female friends (of all political stripes) are confessing that they murdered a kitten. when really, they're just telling me water is wet.

>>154379907
I think he is just genuinely, inexplicably her type.
she's a dumb, hedonistic chick who just wants an ape for a boyfriend. She'd probably run around in a loincloth if she could.
Thankfully, Springfield has no shortage of guys like Homer, so Mindy will find someone else.

>>154380181
all they need to do is let her speak in a lower register, then pitch it up
she can still do patty and selma just fine. it's the HIGH notes that she reaches for and hits only air.

>>154380283
the water is wet because of all the tears from the murdered kitten
but yes, we are slowly realizing that most people are a little saner than the mobs. We might just be able to SNEAK civilization back on track. I meet so many girls with their heads on straight now..

>>154380181
Kavner has no kids or grandkids or any close living relatives, the show's staff are the only "family" she has.

>>154380181
JEJ's voice isn't anything special and it's not hard to find a soundalike. Nearly any guy with a basso voice can do that, but try and find a decent Marge impersonator. Fucking impossible, I've never heard a good one.