Prime Time 4
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>>154369419>dick riding Barry Allen this hardhe got me, son of a bitch he got me
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>>154369469Reminder Mark Millar's Superman Adventures comics are damn good.
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>>154369620To be continued!
>>154369537A-hem…SEEXOOOO
Kinda losing momentum . . .
>>154369679kys, cringe faggot
>>154369572Good thing Prime got outta there quick, god only knows how long it would be before it got revealed he got molested in a flashback
>>154369579>I better keep moving before Tom King gets me!Got a chuckle out of me.
>>154369563>had all the elements of his dead ,worldHold on, is it dead? It was alive post-LO3W/Final Crisis, shouldn’t it still be there? Unless that was also a pocket dimension
>>154369537Okay this is funny and kino
>>154369404TO PRIME
>>154369844Dr Manhattan erased 10 years of DC history creating Rebirth.How that affected Earth Prime isn't known, but it seems to have destroyed it again by erasing LO3W
>>154369728Perhaps. But this issue was another use of having fun with Prime and it was pretty enjoyable. However, I do wish there was a bit more substance to moving the plot along and modern decompression sucks ass. Too bad Prime books aren't longer and actually criticize that practice which would actually be edgy and cool of a creator to do.
>>154369844That was revealed to be a set up by Doomsday-as-the-Time-Trapper. The real Earth Prime was still destroyed by the original Crisis.Even if the Prime universe was remade, it would have a new Superboy Prime. Just like why Powergirl can’t return to the new Earth 2. Because there’s already a Powergirl there.
>>154369407KEKKKKK
>>154369537>>154369545Uh....cum. That's all I have to say and do.
>>154369444I feel like no matter how they try to redeem this fuckface, I’ll always see him as unforgivable for killing the guy who started a world of superheroes.
>>154369579kek
>>154369537>>154369545Damn, she kinda witchFIRE
>>154370012The final page of Kal-L in Infinite Crisis is heartbreaking, when Power Girl is mourning him and begging him not to go.No way that freak can pretend he was "manipulated" when he spent every event afterwards bragging about how he killed Superman and then mocking him to his remaining family. Power Girl should've lasered his balls off like she threatened.
Couldn't tell you the last time I smiled this much at at comic. Hope this run keeps going for a bit.
>>154369419"I WAS MANIPULATED!"more and more i think this guy did not read Infinite Crisis, he just read a Wikipedia summary that leaves out these parts where Prime was clearly, unrepentantly, pigheadedly, working together with Luthor the whole time and even being the more murderous of the two.
>>154369419>>154370094like cmon"I DIDN'T MEAN WHAT HAPPENED."You took a dump on his grave in front of his family.
>>154370117Then you tried choking their Dog to death (twice), and bragged to his Orphan Daughter how you beat the Super out of that "has-been"
>>154369455But Earth-2 Superman wasn't the Silver Age one just the Golden Age
>>154369435Finally, hope there would be some stakes on this comic.
>>154369512>>154369524>gun is inconsistent between every panelLove that joke
>>154370242In Golden Age he did wacky things too.Blew out a Sun with his breath, and made a Sun by smashing two moons together (how does that work? It doesn't)
>>154369501That is so fucking funny with the hypocrisy like prime isn’t a living edgy character who destroyed the past with og supes death from his hands
It's fun enough but man that Death Metal tie in was actually the perfect ending for this character
>>154369419>EVERYONE IS BACKlying.and williamson will never acknowledge this again
>>154370265you'd think they'd have some self-awareness at some point that Prime is the edgiest evil Superman. Even in Infinite Crisis he was clearly a raging hypocrite, killing characters at the end for fun and boredom and literally kicking Krypto while whining that Conner is the evil one.
>>154370242Kal-L in COIE got a buff. He was throwing planets to the Anti-Monitor.
>>154369512>I can say that. I’m mostly Britishkek
>>154370243Welp, I suppose not. They keep glossing over of how prime killed Kal-L and avoiding consequences.
>>154370484the Male Harley Quinn
>>154369628DC, please let Black keep the comic manipulation powers. They are so much fun
>brat acts like a brat and neve accepts his faultWhoa...as if that's his biggest fucking flaw
>>154370562if that's "His" flaw then why is nobody else getting mad at him? Stop making Huntress swoon over your cringy self-insert version of Prime and have Huntress beat the fuck out of him because she's Power Girl's best friend.
>>154370094Anon it's obviously prime trying to not take responsibility for his actions
>>154370578Different Huntress. That one is Black Canary’s friend. You’re thinking of Helena Wayne.
>>154369628There should be more comics like this in general
>>154370630tbf even other writers besides Williamson are downplaying his action in Infinite Crisis by saying he was temporarily insane
>>154369512>Aquaman with a chainsaw hand is pretty cool, thoughI just found out before I went on a rant that there are actual underwater chainsaws, I guess you might not want to use a welder if there are flammable substances around but it still seems dumb.
>>154369407More superfights should have characters hurt themselves bad because they punched something way above their league.
>>154370630Then why is no other character trying to punish Prime for his actions?
>>154369579Can I say how cool I think Dan Mora is? He's a really, really good artist, and this issue is great.
>>154369588>comics have a shittier idea of reincarnation meta wiseEeeeeeh he’s definitely right
>>154370578Nah more of the ladies should want to fuck him because it makes a few people in these threads lose it
>>154370890Mora's art is like 85% of why folks are on the Prime bandwagon right now
>>154369407It wuzn't his fawt. It wuz an akkseedent. Risk bwoke his own awms by punching him while he wuznt twying to hurt nobody. He's just a wholesome softboi ugu //uwu//
>>154370919You're not helping your point. You're only proving it's not written as a character flaw, and he is just a crappy Mary Sue, and you do just self-insert as him like a loser.
>>154370094Strickly speaking during the crisis he was manipulated and he didn't intent for every weakling around him to easily rip appart like they were made of gore ballons, later on he doubles down to be full villain.
>>154369628>Manchester Black PrimeFeels kind of an overstep, you can retcon him back of course but now that he exists he can also be pulled back out.
>>154370868Because prime is also right in that most everyone he hurt is alive again. He might be deflecting but he does have a point in that the people he hurt outside of earth-15 and kal-l are alive which is why he apologized to kal-l and why Paige wants to see him slip up so bad so she can have reason to hurt him. We honestly haven't seen too many hero reactions to prime but most people don't know his true attributes or only have vague memories of it.
>>154370484He apologized to kal-l and actually admitted he killed him which is miles more than anyone else
>>154370094>>154370117>>154370193This looks kinda cool
>>154370953Noone manipulated him in the crisis. He knew Alex was planning to kill everyone, and he wanted to as well. He spent months killing planets to help their plan.He also tried to kill way more people needlessly outside of the plan, including Power Girl, until Alex told him to stfu and sit down. He literally starts off everyone knowing something is up by attacking Superboy for no reason but jealousy at Ma and Pa Kent's home and kicking Krypto. Like they said, noone made him attack people at their homes, and kick puppies, and cause massive collateral damage to Smallville. Then when they try and restrain him, he throws a crybaby tantrum, and absolutely did intend to break their bones in his effort to keep assaulting Conner. That's why they "threw themselves at him", because he was hurting Conner and the other Titans in a baby fit.
>>154370053DAMN RIGHT! and thanks to seeing linkara I got imagine this whiny little bitch as the loser he sounds like to add to it.Nothing more than a shitty edgy little faggot who tries to think he’s SOOOOO good after that murder and having the audacity to rub it all in
>>154370993You're wasting your time with that anon, he's one of those [insert thing] schizos or whatever.But on the subject yeah, it would be mental for any character to turn on SBP for things that have unhappened but not every other character.Someone brought up Harley for example, there was a schizo who refused to acknowledge the baby bombing as canon, but in this everything-is-canon case it would be recalled. So if Prime has to be punished, then many other villains would need to be executed due to having an impossible laundry list of hypothetical crimes.
>>154370578Anon that's still spyral huntress
>>154370890I just read Once and Future few days ago so im super high on Dan Mora too atm. Dude is amazing
>>154370993has Paige been in this run? I might have missed that. She was raised as Kal-L's daughter so I hope to hell she at least knocks insults his ego a peg.
>>154369979But last issue he talked about how he broke up with Laurie, which we never saw at any point. Was he talking about fake-time trapper Laurie?
Also it was never storytimes but in superman unlimited the kid Jon is just earth 3 Jon sorry we are stuck with gay jon forever besides Jon was stuck on e3 a whole death metal ago and that e3 got destroyed and replaced
>>154371038>anyone who criticises my Mary Sue self-insert is a schizoStop trying to defend shit writing just because you wanna imagine yourself in a harem and suffering no consequences ever.
>>154371038Harley Quinn is SHIT too dude. We all wanna see her suffer
>>154371076Told you, SLOBB pulled a return of barry allen
>>154371063She was in the issue where prime was talking to ma and pa. She had a justice league strike force ready to pounce if prime did anything and Martha told her she has to try and give prime the chance to prove he can be better. But she was there with a group of heroes who mostly didn't know who exactly prime was but Paige was calling him a monster and he shouldn't be allowed anywhere
>>154371095Oh right, 37. I remembered that as Mr Terrific's strike force
>>154371133Paige was the one leading it. Because she knows what prime was really like during infinite crisis beyond vague memories
>>154371043Oh yeah, I read that one a year or so ago, it's pretty good. Definitely carried by the art though, I thought.
>>154371087She was an overt example, but it would not just be her. Every shock value incident would have to be on the list from Apex Lex to things like pre-space bug Parallax, an ethical witch hunt that left no one but Martha standing.But by all means, write that "execute half your cast" letter in to DC. I'm sure it'll be received well.
>>154370304>>154371029>>154370947We gotta kill Geoff Johns at this point
>>154371133Don't blame you, was a huge anticlimax.Also Martha whining at Paige that she's being mean to Prime, while Gayboy Prime's saying shit like this. And the whole issue is just Prime whining about how "hard" his life is because some people are slightly suspecting of him. While he's saying shit like this. And Martha telling Paige she's wrong for not giving Prime a clean slate when he murdered her Dad and boasts of it. There's a way to do forgiveness and the perpetrator going "woe is me!" is not it.
>>154370868Power Girl really wanted him punished, but the writing got in the way.
>>154371229It feels intentional he's like that, but I don't know what the goal will be.
>>154370953Maybe for a 1 minute before being thrown into the Speedforce by Wally and Bart. After that he was actively trying to destroy all the multiverse and was specifically trying to kill both Nightwing and Kon. Like he even said about knowing the plan of Alex Luthor and not caring abit about the consequences.
At least prime accepted some kind of responsibilityNow he just has to do it for earth-15
>>154371071Yes
>>154371417Just impregnate a hot alien there like Starfire or Alanna Strange to repopulate the destroyed Earth 15.
>>154370993>Because prime is also right in that most everyone he hurt is alive againI don't see how that lessens the severity of his actions.
>>154371029It's incredible how people are glossing over the fact that things in IC started going to shit faster when Prime went to the Kent farm and acting like a sperg told Ma and Pa: "hey, remember the kid you are fostering? You can throw him out, I'm the improved version and I'm taking his place". And then chimping out when Kon told him to go away.
>>154371095>Paige was calling him a monster and he shouldn't be allowed anywhereAnd she was right.
>>154371450Prime has no agency in it. The writers made him do it.
>>154371450Because the crime got erased. If I crash my car and reality glitched 5 times in a row and my car is uncrashed did I really crash my car?
>>15437119190% of Prime's appeal is thanks to Johns.
>>154371450Bushido and Baby Wildebeest are still dead.
>>154371571Now please tell us who the fuck cares about them?
>>154371571Are they actually dead, or just not not shown as alive yet?
>>154369407Lmao Superboy Prime is my favorite DC character. This is my favorite comic out in general rn. I hope he gets his own comic after this..
>>154371517Your car didn't get uncrashed as the crash still happen.
>>154370896It's more like some sort of unending purgatory than being reincarnated since sometimes a new version of someone isn't their old self reborn but a different person with a similar life.Also I know it would make this whole thing even more confusing than it already is, but I wish Manchester and Prime went into the concept of existing as punching bag satire for things outside themselves. If Prime knows Kelly made the Elite, he must have some idea it was in response to the Authority and if Manchester knows what happened to Prime he should know it was in response to Johns and Didio's distaste to forum posts about post crisis DC's direction. It's kind of Lovecraftian to know people inside your reality exist ex nihilo because of the impressions of people outside your reality to people outside and inside your reality.With his new perspective does Manchester still consider even his old associates people or NPCs? Of course Williamson is stopping him from taking this logical leap but he should honestly be questioning if his own efforts are self-determined. Reviving from death through reality punch is like Neo returning to the matrix, he comparatively has more power but he's still entering a prison for his mind. Similar Smith trying to turn the Matrix into his own world made no sense for the same reason, the same applies to Manchester trying to rewrite the DCU into anything. It would be more sensible to go with either the Cypher option of having his awareness removed, grim but understandable for a comic book character, or having his entire existence retconned so his comic book psychic powers don't force him to be an astral projection.Of course the story wouldn't be happening if any of that were on the table, Prime would have no problems complying, but it's still a thread of the subject.
>>154371803At the very least we know he's in the upcoming Kryptonite Kingdom thing.Sort of spoilers, actually.
>>154369383Why don't I hate it?
>>154372228Why would you? It's fun.
>>154369419>Unprompted Barry wankHe's just like me frfr, Wally West is not my Flash.
I did enjoy it but they really need to properly focus on Prime not really accepting that he did anything wrong and that him being on a meta "redemption arc" isn't going to be enough for most people. He still seems to see them as characters first and not people, which makes sense as he knows them through comics but isn't good for him being better. Also he needs to understand that not everyone will accept his amends. Hope they can wrap that up for the final comic.>>154369563>Superboy-Prime pretended it didn't worry him...the idea that he was living in a ghost of a world taken by the Crisis. [...] So he ignored the voices in his head that scared him. >He noticed his memories of the comics were leaving him. In fact the longer he stayed the more he lost sight of not just his knowledge but his own origin story.That's interesting, I wonder where they're going with that. Can he actually return to his original "reality"? Maybe the longer he stays in the DC verse the more he forgets and the less 'meta' he becomes.
>>154372552It's more like Prime's meta knowledge specifically comes from the fact he's a Superhero comic nerd who reads comics, and it comes from the comics he reads. So if he's not reading Earth-Prime versions of comics (or an equivalent) he's basically unable to know exatly what's going on outside of what he's up to outside of what he able to guess happened due to his knowledge of how comic stories go. It's probably the main reason Manchester was putting him into non-superhero comics; Prime doesn't read those so he can predict what's going to happen for sure.
>>154371084They do point out his character flaws a few times--Prime is cocky, arrogant, finds it hard to accept his failures, and is pretty whiny all things considered. Just like in the main storyline, there's people who accept that and people who don't.>>154372726No, I don't think that's it. It says specifically, "Upon his return", so it's been happening since he came back, even before MB was in the picture.
>>154372467Get the hell out of here Geoff
>>154370684If we wanna be technical he kind of was since that's how he was written
>>154369537>>154369545can't explain why this pairing is funny
>>154369563Why is Swamp Thing in that one panal?
>>154371913Except my car is there perfectly fine and as far as history goes I never crashed it. I remember vaguely crashing it but I never did
>>154371450The very fact “coming back to life” is an actual thing that happens in comics already undercuts it severely. Any harm from a crime being committed being totally undone is one of those distinctly comic book things that’s entirely divorced from reality.It’s an angle that could be interesting if they used Prime to explore it in greater depth, but we haven’t really seen that
>>154373054Horror comic
>>154373067You punish murder and attempt of murder even if only one of those crimes had a tangible victim.
>>154369545>You're the Batman to my Catwoman. The Batman to my Talia.Okay I laughed.
>>154369545>Batman really has a type, doesn't he?When you pull in the abyss, the abyss pulls you.
>>154373057But what if someone else did remember you crashing the car?
>>154373275Cars fine so what we remember doesn't matter.
>>154373286It does when we're judging your driving ability.
>>154369572lmao
>>154369407Holly molly! in the first two pages, this book have no brakes and I love it!
>>154369537Yeah page of the year, straight to my heart.
>>154369572>I was in an indie comic. Funny as hell, it was the worst thing I could imagine.
>>154369537>I'm a witch and he's a killer. What will people think?Considering the occult hobbies of serial killer enthusiasts?>Yeah, that fits
>>154370938For the record, that was the second time.
>>154369966It lacks a B-plot for those purposes, that's all.
I don't like the Deadpool-fication of Prime
>>154369607Huh, that's Jason wearing a weird mix of Red Hood and Nightwing costumes
>>154373861With Prime vs Manchester Black at the forefront what ever could be your B plot?>>Withcfire and her coven looking in to why Prime disappeared.Okay, that sounds enticing.
>>154373156It’s not attempted though, is it? It happened, they died, then came back to life as if nothing had occurred.
>>154369383next prime issues>SUPERBOY-PRIME VS. MANCHESTER BLACK FOR THE SOUL OF DC COMICS! The villainous Manchester Black demands to be resurrected and thinks Superboy-Prime knows how to give him his life back. But it's more than that. Manchester Black wants to escape the world of comics and come to our world! It's meta versus meta! If Prime survives, he will still have to deal with members of the Super-Family, who are not happy he wants to be Superman! This all builds up to next month's Superman blockbuster summer story!LEGACY #883>KINGDOM OF ZOD: PART FOUR! SUPERMAN VERSUS ZOD! An epic battle of power and revenge across the Kryptonite Kingdom! An eye for an eye! But Superboy-Prime joins the fight, hoping to show the returning Superman how much he's changed! With a shock ending that will change the Kingdom of Zod and the DC Universe forever!LEGACY #884>Superman, Supergirl, and Lois Lane gather all the members of the Super-Force for a Hail Mary play to restore order to the Kryptonite Kingdom. But Zod and Ursa stand in their way! But not the Zod you might expect ...Superman #39 Cover B Sanford Greene VariantSuperman #39 Cover C Ariel Diaz VariantSuperman #39 Cover D Chris Burnham VariantSuperman #39 Cover E Stanley 'Artgerm' Lau Supergirl Movie VariantSuperman #39 Cover F Aaron Bartling Variant
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>>154369419Wally is canonically faster than Barry by a lot and he is the reason as to why people think the Flash is one of the fastest characters in DC but sure Williamson
>>154373974So this story is wrapping up next issue then, since he has to go into crossover events in August
>>154370242He was both before the retcon, DC didn't really have a consistent canon like Marvel before the 70s
>>154374037Another successful redemption arc for Prime then.
>>154374003Prime says Barry's the best, Barry's the best.Simple as.
>>154373968A better analogy would be if one of us killed someone in full immersion VR for whatever reason should we be tried in the real world?Two more comic booky onesShould Superman be imprisoned in the phantom zone based on any of those visions or alternate worlds where he becomes bad?If Martian Manhunter showed the league a telepathic simulation where Batman was ready and willing to kill them based on mere suspicion setup by someone like Lex or Ra's, and even shows them existing evidence in his arsenal yet to be used, should Batman be kept in a space prison?It's basically the Minority Report question, for the safety of others should someone be held accountable for what they theoretically are capable of but have not done?
>>154374131I think might be a worse analogy.
>>154369579Williamson book is heavily carried by Mora's art, he wants to be Ewing so bad but he has nothing say in his books other than some basic meta jokes for the sake of being meta
>>154374257Does Ewing generally have anything to say when he's being meta?
>>154374071Don't care there was an official ranking that says that Wally is faster than Barry, he is the one that fully connected with the Speed Force
>>154373990power couple
>>154374270Commentary about capitalism and philosophy and religion. Even the meta jokes are more subtle than Williamson's
>>154373974>With a shock ending that will change the Kingdom of Zod and the DC Universe forever!He dies for good this time
>>154374358So no, Ewing also has nothing worthwhile to say
>>154374492Took you 10 mins to come up with this response? Quite telling of a Williamson's defender
>>154369566They most certainly are. Frankly it's the one thing that I can point to that for all the crap he churns out he can actually write a decent comic book if his life depended on it. Wasn't there a rumor going around that they ghost written by Waid or someone else though?
>>154369534>>154372467>>154374071Barry Allen sucks and was better dead. Anyone who even PRETENDS to prefer Barry is a straight up liar.
>>154374634Morrison.
>>154369579Alright Mora, we get it, you can draw.
>>154370890waid did the right choice in chosing him to carry world's finest, and jlu as of now is carried by him.
>>154374916At that time only barry could catch him, now wally simply sups him in circles because God loves him.
>>154373968Prime showed time and time again that he is willing to commit mass murder if it suit or advance his goals. He basically lacks the character to being a normal person, let alone a hero.
>>154370993>>154371063>>154371095>>154371150>>154371229I'll be in the cold, dead ground before I call PowerGirl "Paige"
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>>154371063>>154375357This reminds me of that meme>Look I know he killed your cousin/father-figure but he's trying okay you just gotta respect itAlso>calling her Paigehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Wtcn_MkKL8
>>154375043It was Bart that scared him pissless.
>>154370012Then undo it, have Kal-L back again and stuck observing again but voluntarily
>>154375259x2Although that name at least works as a shorthand when discussing this particular version/era of PG (even if it is just to shit on it (deservedly so))
>>154375417In Martha's devil advocacy she's right in the sense that if they really suspect Prime then making it obvious they're watching him just means he'll keep up the act because of observer effect, and if he behaves himself when they're not around then even if they don't get to kick his teeth in to see him submit they've effectively got the point into his head, his reaction here >>154369607 suggests that's the case.Instead of gloating or flying off he's distressed and even cries not from being hurt but fear he'd gone back to being seen as only someone who hurts like in Infinite Crisis instead of helps like in Crisis on Infinite Earths.It's like when Ultron Hank flipped out at Hologram Tony, in place of every writer and reader, dredging up what Hank did at his worst as final judgment for what he always was and will be.
>>154370012Who cares?Just keep him as the Vegeta of the Superman family.
>>154370242Buddy he literally fought Silver Age Superman to a stand still in his prime. He literally created a Star in the 50’s before the Silver Age became a thing.
>>154375642But he's not
>>154369628Prime you've read indie comics, you know you gotta give him the viltrumite handshake
>>154370117Prime was being tsundere here
>>154370319He actually got debuffed. In his prime he managed to score a double knockout against Silver Age. But in their fight against Capatain Marvel before the Reboot he was defeated because he got older while Silver Age Superman did not age.
>>154375529>have Kal-L back againHe may already be, and voluntarily decided to stay away for reasons.
>>154370938You're misunderstanding the page you are replying to
>>154370502Except Harley is a highly successful character who has entered into the cultural zeitgeist and Prime is an obscure gimmick character whose existence is known only by the most ardent of comic readers.
>>154375649Technically he fought Bronze Age
you know prime and manchester black are kinda fun together
Isn't Nu52 Superbro hiding around somewhere in the dark multiverse?
>>154375806His fight with Prime made no sense he alone should have been strong enough to spank the Bronze Age brat
>>154369383I mean it's great and all, but overall the issues is a bit too comic-bookey for me, plus, it's not even that great.
There's been almost no Manchester Black story that I haven't enjoyed.The original one, the End Battle, JLElite, his return during the Hamilton days, even the Warworld arc.The exception would be the Superman and the Authority arc. And I didn't read the bit they reference here with Luthor "killing" him.But yeah, I like Manchester Black. I wish they'd remember Vera Black also exists, she's cool too.
>>154375806My point was that just by reading COIE you can see that Earth-2 Superman was supposed to be strong as fuck.
>>154374916No, this makes sense because Superboy-Prime was a guy who grew up reading comics during Pre-COIE DC before COIE happened
>>154376004It's interesting but odd, as he says here >>154369501 SPB is more or less what MB wanted out of regular Superman, more action, less heroics, but rationally SPB dislikes MB because he's the sort of cynical comic concept he was getting fed up watching drag his cape comics into morbidity and SPB acts how he does because of present circumstances, if another CKP was found sans CoIE, IC and all the Titans stuff he would exactly be a married, comic book reading Superman, likely with kids.Obviously Manchester doesn't particularly care about the specifics it took to get the result.
>>154376211TT was a more popular title though
>>154376248Eh, SPB seems like he naturally leans towards psychosis compared to the "classic" Superman. Like you don't laser your chest into the S symbol just because.
>>154376293He doesn't even used his heat vision. He carved the symbol with his bate hands. Presumably his nails. It was supposed to be look like a gross looking scar but with the time it turned into a tan looking mark.
>>154376363Oh, you're right. Most people just called it a brand but IG it is just something he dug into himself. I wonder if this SBP would ever reference the period of time where he was back with his parents, but they knew what he'd done through the comic books.
>>154376456i always assumed he later burned/lasered that wound and that's why it looks like it does now
>>154373310There is no record of the car crashing so did it really crash?
>>154376248i mean fair but people don't need to like each other to be fun on page together
>>154376520But people remembering the crash is a type of record.
>>154376115Luthor killing him was after Superman and the Authority and a Warworld thing. It was basically a throwaway page to magic eraser what Bendis had cocked up, I'm not sure why Manchester had to die for that instead of using someone like Blanque but oh well.
>>154374003He's still salty wally and bart trapped him in the speed force
>>154376603The people if the people that know of the crash consist of outsider ovservers unaffected such changes, yourself (who is in a state of denial that you did such things), and the manufacturer of the car who wasn't born in the current iteration of the universe, it becomes difficult to determine.
>>154369537>>154369545This is really funny considering she was a designated a murder witch by Hecate. Straight up match made in heaven
>>154376765But in this case we're dealing with people who you killed in the car crash who also remember the car crash and the fact you were drinking and driving.
>>154376293It took decades of being trapped in time prison with a baby aged into an adult and another version of himself with his waifu and all you can do is watch the one earth that lived become something that wasn't worth saving. All this right after you got your powers and your world was destroyed
>>154370671Like what?
>>154377000>It took decadesIt doesn't took decades. Years at best. Also the New Earth was very worth saving. All that bullshit that it didn't was just Didio trying to make look like the DC universe was a grimdark place when pretty much it wasn't.
>>154377052Taking advantage of the different styles and history of the medium to have fun
>>154376894Vaguely remember it like it's a dream
>>154377073Ok but he was also stuck in the speed force for an indeterminate amount of time and that's when he truly became monstrous
>>154377191Most times I've seen it done, the gimmick takes over or it's just not done well.Sam Humphries did something like this in Dial H, and it sucked a cock. Gillen did it in his Peter Cannon, somewhat.
>>154377224And then stuck inside of a red sun sensory deprivation prison for a couple years, and then under house arrest by the threeboot legion, and then stuck inside the source wall until he wasn’t(?)Not exactly an environment suitable for psychological health
>>154377210But they fully recognized that it wasn't a dream and that you did crash into them from driving recklessly.
>>154377374Proofs? The car is undamaged and the dead people are alive. This case would get laughed out of the courtroom
>>154377406Fine, the case doesn't see a day in court.But guess what? That means you're not liable to a redemption arc because you won't fess up that you did something bad.
>>154369628Okay, so this retcon punch basically just ressed MB and kept his powers?
>>154370300baby wildebeest is in a weird spot. his whole origin is basically gone - there is no Wildebeest Society anymore, and they haven't tried to bring it back. it was unique to that particular reboot.that's not something Prime is actually responsible for.
>>154369537>>154369545Issue of the year right here
>>154370300Sometimes some characters are better off dead.
>>154377640Yeah, Manchester Black telepathically guided Superboy Prime's reality punching to specifically unhappen Manchester Black dying but not Manchester Black gaining a power buff from exploring Superboy Prime's mind.There's no way to explain the events less insanely than that. He's also rewrote wearing a Death of Superman shirt for some reason. I get the implication, but I'm not sure why it was a priority to incarnate.
>>154377916Yeah, like Superboy Prime.
>>154376520Pantha's death has been explicitly shown to the reader in detail twice and Manchester Black pointed out anyone can go back and read the back issues, so Williamson is sure acting like there is a record that ought to matter.>>154377719>that's not something Prime is actually responsible for.But it throws a major wrench in the "Everybody's back like nothing happened!" excuse people are trying to give. It makes Williamson trying to brush past it look even worse, because if you're writing a redemption arc, your guy killing a toddler after brutally murdering his mother in front of him should be an important thing to deal with.
>>154377073It could have been millennia in total for all we know.>>154376248The "oddness" you describe is exactly why their juxtaposition works so well. It's a layer of metatextual irony, between two characters who have both always been heavily metatextual.>>154376073This is the sort of bait that deserves at least one (you), but you should've trimmed the "plus" bit to make it a bit snappier.
>>154369455I know this was a fake thing, but could Prime really destroy the moon with a punch??
>>154378220As much as I dislike the Prime wanking Supes himself his strong enough to crack small planets and moons
>>154378067you're not gonna like this but the answer to your question is that the only one who matters and remains gone is Kal-L. Prime didn't kill your blorbo, a complete lack of interest in writing a Wildebeest Society plot with Pantha (or writing Pantha in general) did. most people are just not very nostalgic for that era of the Titans.if anything in particular is to blame for them both being basically forgotten... i'd actually argue it's the 2003 Teen Titans cartoon for ossifying the Titans roster.(also it's entirely possible Baby Wildebeest is out there chilling with Pantha off-screen; we don't actually know that he's dead and/or never existed, and probably won't until Pantha gets focused on instead of popping up in the background once every few years).>>154378220probably. see >>154370094. failing direct destruction, he could also just punch the fabric of reality and make it so that the moon never formed in the first place.
>>154373220Still the hottest Selina of all time goddamn sometimes you just gotta let a European artist have a shot
>>154376456>>154376489Didn't his scar get lasered over by superboy so shouldn't it have a slash through it too?
>>154378519Bushido is still dead
>>154376023He and lois are dead and their souls merged with our supes and lois to make them stronger.
>>154369537>>154369545>>154369579This artist really is good.
>>154378620Williamson doesn't care
>>154379203No one has cared enough to remember that, not even John’s when he’s the one that wrote it
>>154378519>you're not gonna like this but the answer to your question is that the only one who matters and remains gone is Kal-L.Williamson shouldn't have explicitly brought up Pantha's death twice then if he wasn't going to deal it or act like it mattered. He seemed to be setting it up like Prime was going to take a step forward in redemption by challenging his belief that he could brush off murder if the victims were "unimportant," but he just glossed over it. For being his first victim, and all the shit she got for dying in such a degrading way, it would've been thematically appropriate for her to challenge Prime too.>Prime didn't kill your blorbo, a complete lack of interest in writing a Wildebeest Society plot with Pantha (or writing Pantha in general) did.Johns deliberately picked Pantha off Dan Didio's list to get killed by Prime so it would affect Red Star, instead of just leaving her in limbo for someone else to potentially use, so I'd say he did. >also it's entirely possible Baby Wildebeest is out there chilling with Pantha off-screenI doubt it, with how much is unclear now about what her history is now.
>>154378625we don't actually know that, either. he just hasn't shown up again or been mentioned again.and at least in that "battle" those three are actually the only Titans who died, despite the carnage.Bushido is maybe among the least important Teen Titans characters imaginable - he is introduced in an annual, is later a background member in one single issue of the Titans ongoing that ropes in a ton of Titans, and then is completely forgotten about for the next 5 years until he's pulled from Comic Limbo to get bisected by Prime. after which he has appeared exclusively as a background Black Lantern or a flashback to "that time Prime killed dozens (see: 3) of Titans." and we get another such projection of him in >>154369407, on top of Pantha and i believe Baby Wildebeest behind her in >>154369393.Bushido legitimately has more appearances as a corpse than he did as a living hero, and the sum total of both is like half a dozen. he's not even a D-lister. E-lister, maybe?
>>154369597Who is the all blue one next to Superman: Blue?
>>154379149I always admitted Mora was talented but his art rarely impressed me because I just found something dull about it. This has been drastically more interesting.
>>154379345Looks like a Parasite Superman
>The, Superman, The--
>>154379685Silly Prime, Wonder Woman isn't here, she's killed herself because of Tom King this week. You were right to be scared of him.
>>154379285i'm sorry dude, but the only one of the 3 characters who died there who haven't basically been reduced to only appearing to remind you of the fact they died there (in that universe, at least) is Pantha, and only kinda. it's brought up because accidentally murdering Pantha is a really important catalyst for what Prime becomes - Williamson is far from the first to do this.i'm genuinely not sure how seriously to take Tini Howard randomly showing Pantha 8 months pregnant standing with some random bald guy with a shit chin beard in the Tales of the Titans mini that nobody read. current Pantha herself still hasn't had a single line of dialogue AFAIK - yes, not even in that bizarre mini.but i would love to see that thread finally pulled on, since she's fine now. what does she remember? how does she feel about it? i'd like to see her actually say something about it... or just say anything at all, really. hell, get Prime to ask her about it at some point.
>>154377224>>154377366He was already devastating planets before being stuck on the Speedforce >>154370094Like Alex Luthor and Prime had basically no defense for all the bullshit they pulled up.
>>154369607>>154373904yeah so apparently this is jason or was meant to be but DC editorial fucked up and printed a unfinished page
>>154379705Pantha later had a wedding to a random guy in the Titans title. She did have dialogue.
>>154379965What issue was it?
>>154379965you sure it wasn't a different reboot? after a quick search i don't see anything that fits that on the wiki, her current version only has 4 appearances listed. it's usually surprisingly accurate about these sorts of things.
>>154380088>wiki readeryou have to go back
>>154380250it was just the quickest way to find what issue the anon was talking about. i do not remember any such issue of a Titans ongoing.
>>154375618Logically, it was probably the best course of action (leaving the established and known possible threat without some kind of monitor notwithstanding). No sense in escalating the situation to a full-blown confrontation when that's exactly what you're trying to avoid. That said, I'm more disappointed that Power Girl relents without pushing back, not even a little bit. Would it be wise? No. Would it be in character (and deserved)? Yes. She's used to arguing with old-timers all the time with the JSA; she's not the type to just say "yes, ma'am" and do as she's told. Jonathan patting Martha on the back for running her and her group off rubs me the wrong way the most, as does people treating Martha like the virgin Mary and going "NO-ONE argues with Superman's mom, NO-ONE"
>>154380280tales of the titans mini, the raven issueit was shit, no respect for lorenow go back
>>154380754That was the comic that anon was talking about. Pantha has no dialogue. You're confusing her with a different character that gets married.
>>154379702>it's realMan, that is hilarious timing.
>>154369537Should have done something similar as a variant cover
FROZENIN A TIME AND SPACE DIVIDE
>>154380754>>154380945as the original anon who brought it up i'd kind of memoryholed how ass it was. Starfire immediately going into TTGO-speak is all you need to know about the writing quality.i actually enjoyed what i read of her Catwoman, not sure what Howard was smoking for this mini.
>>154369579Did anyone storytime WW today?
>>154369537Kino, why does /co/ hate Williamson again?
>>154369579Uh what’s the middle left comic? I need it for… reasons.
>>154381636It's just a riff on Frank Frazetta, specifically his John Carter of Mars art.
>>154381601>why does /co/ hate Williamson again?He does villain redemption arcs a lot, I guess. But I don't hate him.
>>154381601I like him myself. But that's just me.
>>154381687people seething over Williamson 'redeeming Prime' are really funny to me because Geoff Johns already did that himself despite being the one to turn Prime into a monster in the first place.
>>154381601Gonna give you a protip thats gonna help you a lot in this forksaken pigsty of a place./co/ HATES EVERYTHING.just enjoy what's good and laugh at the raging tards.
>>154371417Earth-15 probably ended up back where it belongs at some point between multiverse reboots.
>>154369455Based
>>154381821nah, it's more like rule 34: if a comic or cartoon exists, somebody on /co/ hates it.the following rule is that somebody else on /co/ is autistically obsessed with it.
>>154369588Kek, neat. Adventures of Superman #500
>>154369444Butch fucking Matson
>>154374927No, they're Waid.
>>154370671Go read New Super-Man, it's actually this kind of stuff
>>154381529must have been too traumatic for the ww fansking's run is so incredibly shit, especially in a world where absolute ww exists
>>154370012But you’re a schizo, anon. You hate Prime because he reminds you of your mental illness and you get triggered because you want to pretend it isn’t there. Your posts are something of a cry for help, though, so I hope you find it.
>>154371037>thanks to seeing LinkaraYou almost had me, but you gave yourself away here.
>>154381601/co/ doesn't want to admit that a lot of things have gotten way better. I don't know that I'd put Williamson down as an all time great but I thought his run has been fine.
>>154379345>>154379653Pretty sure that's Jurassic League Dino Supes, just looks weird at this angle.
>>154382742But he does keep the thread bumped. Why not just let the poster be our useful idiot?
>>154369383I dont know whats worse, Williamson teenage girl writing or Moras muh animay style, i admit he shower more versatility here than ever before in his career but as always the colorist carries his ass very hard, the coloring and inks are truly exceptional and makes Moras art look good, the same happened with Jimenez back in the day and now look at his recent art once he lost the dream team...
>>154381636It's pretty obviously He-Man but by way of Frazetta Conan even more than he already was. Right down to the red head hottie and the big tiger behind him rather than being an obvious foe.Someone's been story timing the 00's DC comics that kind of have the same visual appeal.
>>154369588>those anons constantly whining about Superboy Prime "getting off too easy" considering his previous appearances were Manchester Black all along
>>154369607>>154373904>>154379837>Superboy Prime is trying to stand in for Superman>Color error gives Dickbat and Nighthood>King killing WW could swap Donna in here since Diana isn't called by nameHol up.Let it cook.
>>154381636>>154381666>It's just a riff on Frank FrazettaBIT TRUE ... BUT>>154382992>down to the red head hottie and the big tiger behind himAGAIN TRUE ... BUTBoy Prime is also wearing Clark's War World uniform.And I agree with the original ANON.I absolutely DO need an entire arc of Prime dressed in Clark's War World suit.For reasons.
>>154377922>>154377640Not that it wasn't sufficiently entertaining but it was also very Basic Bitch Almost everything Manchester has been used in post the original story has been pointless, just like using Doomsday in anything post that original story has also been largely pointless.Unlike Darkseid or even Bizarro, these are not characters that were written for the long haul, OR have been developed by writers for the long haul. Sure, some entertaining stories have been written with Black but largely they are entertaining in part and the status quo is still preserved PLUS pretty much any reality warper could have been used for the same exact story OR, more importantly, SAME EXACT ENTERTAINMENT VALUE.I think I would rather have seen six more issues of Prime and Witchblade going to hell and fighting demons together. Or Williamson really exploring the idea of SBP visiting a lot of different history's of Clark he might not have not or read - but not due to Black but say a spell or something else. A little bit more like what happened to Kon-El in the Black Zero arc in the Superboy self-titled, before he ended up in the future. SBP could end up in the future as well after this arc, and it would be a way for him to stay in the mainline continuity and occasionally visit Clark and company and play a role in cross-overs.Which -- let's be honest -- is what most people want. Not some Manchester Black in DC re-hash.
>>154383195nah, Manchester Black is basically an inverse Prime when it comes to the Superman ideal. he wanted an edgy superman. he and the Elite were a pastiche of an edgier, grittier world of superheroes from the start.he's a really good pick for an antagonist for Prime, and this clash of ideals being the focus of the Superman ongoing while big blue is missing is SO much better than another doomed coming-of-age/standing-in-his-shadow plot for Superboy Regular.
>>154369579NO NOT TOM KING
>>154369628Manchester Black looks cool here. He kinda looks like Io from the early parts of Gundam Thunderbold as if there's a sort of chaos to his design. He makes for a good foil, nemesis and rival to Prime. This issue was pure kino btw.
>>154383124>I absolutely DO need an entire arc of Prime dressed in Clark's War World suit.>For reasons.LONDOOOOOOOOOOON
>>154369628Oh boy. I hope finally locks in.One of the better parts of SBP is that he can stop being retarded and lock in hard and bullshit his way out of this
>>154371029I'd say that both Superboys were being antagonist towards each other, granted Prime threw the first punch
>>154369579I think this is the third time I've seen a writer poke fun at King and his obsession with the 9-panel grid
>>154378625And Risk (minus an arm) is dead currently too
>>154384414>>154384527This fandom around Superboy Prime is fake as fuck.
>>154385320But he's fun...
where does Witchfire even come fromis she a new heroine?
>>154384527Prime is acting like such sperg here. Terrible character
>>154385984she's from the Power Company
>>154384727to be fair that's not Prime's faultThat happened in Jon's book several years ago
>>154385984She appeared in a superhero team created by Busiek and Grummett called The Power Company. It was a corporate and for hire team that sustained an ongoing for like short of two years.Funny enough Witchfire and the rest of the members are exactly the type of character that Prime was sperging against in IC.
>>154381098King and his mother's days at dc are counted after the merge, Elison doesnt want a Douglas Coup.
>>154370094For what its worth, ever since Final Crisis, there has been a steady but of hardcore by the by retconning of Crisis, Zero Hour, Infinite Crisis in later stories where Anti Monitor, Hal/Parallax, and Alex and SBP were manipulated by the Source, Great Darkness, Perpetua, Barbatos, etc.And thats not coubting IC Secret Files, which explicitly stated (granted by Marv Wolfman doing damage cobtrol ubder the cereal kings nose) that Alex explicitly gaslit SBP into going evil by controlling what he saw of post Crisis and telling him how Connor "stole his life" due to Alex explicitly implying that he woukd have had Connor's life had he stayed behind
>>154381444Per new titans, Starfire fucked off to space, and Dick is now on his own frank miller's daredevil arc.
>>154386103And, as has been mentioned in the thread, Risk isn't even one of the three Titans Prime killed. He just got maimed.>>154385436He's a blast, and people reading him right now like him. Prime haters are just mad they've lost the zeitgeist, so they're in denial. It's the standard "anyone who likes what I don't is a shill" thing.
>>154381601He relies too much on FA service and Mora's art so far the story as been pretty meh and slow
>>154386051This is him after he saw what didio and quesada did to comics, dont blame him for hating the garbage reality show and mtv the real world bullshit of the late 90's and 2000's.
>>154386254"FA service"?
>>154371494This aspect bothers me, I'll admit.At what point does this approach start weakening the author-audience contract?If we start getting to the point where we are acknowledging everything is total fiat, isn't that like breaking kayfabe?
>>154386392You should read Morrison's Animal Man.
>>154386392seconding the Animal Man rec.but even when comics completely shatter the fourth wall this way, the characters still usually retain at least some emotional agency in practice.
>>154374537>why aren't you terminally online like my ewing loving ass
>>154376060He got weaker with age tho. And Prime was strong even then, Silver Age Superman points out how the kid is way stronger and faster than he was at that age.
>>154386392Trying to redeem Superboy Prime almost requires it really.
>>154379637Its the inks. The colorist and the inker is mimicking other methods and they MUCH better than rhe modern one. Dan Mora is already talented
>>154369501>>154369512>>154369524>>154369537>>154369545Is this DC's answer to Deadpool.
>>154386251>TdlrHe's literally a gary stu Deadpool copy. Weak concept and not fun.
weak baittoo on the nose
