>>154372425
Ok, we get Jax is a dick

>>154372425
It's just a cartoon it's not real. Stop being such a melodramatic SJW.

>>154372425
He didn't even bully Ribbit into suicide he just got avoidant and pushed her away and instead of talking to LITERALLY ANYONE ELSE she went insane.

>>154373689
Avoidance is literally one of the stereotypical forms of bullying.

>>154373689
Holy Jaxfag cope

>>154373815
>Not wanting to interact with someone is bullying them
This show really is by trannies, for trannies

>>154372425
I mean...He accurately depicts a tranny, right? Where's the problem OP?

>>154373846
Excluding people from lunch tables and not inviting people to parties are like the go-to for female on female bullying.

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>>154373689
Debunked.

>>154373887
>THE COOL KIDS SAID I CANT SIT WITH THEM THEYRE BULLYING ME IM GONNA FRICKIN KILL MYSELF
Holy shit, these are unironically the people who are seething at the tranny character. Even bigger babies than actual trannies.

>>154373933
What's with the caps? Yes most common female bullying is passive aggressive.

Did I watch a censored version or are you all delusional?

GUYS

GUYS

I JUST REALIZED SOMETHING

JAX ISN'T ELIGIBLE TO BE TUMBLR SEXYMAN ANYMORE

...is /co/ now full of children? as in, actual kids?

>>154374166
Has been since the wave of Tumblr refugees, its downright sickening how shitty this board has become. And it's not like the /hsg/ days were some paragon of quality, but at least the underageb& back then weren't such obnoxious xitter users that will shit up threads for months if anyone expresses a "problematic" opinion for them to lose their damn minds over

>>154374166
your on the website with a whole my little pony board souly for adult men because they shat up /co/ too much

its always been like this, and always will

>>154372425
Goose intended to write a deep, meaningful, personal expression of what it feels like to be an angry young man who is actually trans and should transition to become a better person, but what he actually wrong was a semi-autobiographical total admission that Goose is a piece of shit retard who self-destructively ruins relationships and blames all of his mental illness on trans feelings, instead of accepting that's who he actually is and that he needs to make actual, real changes to his life and his behaviors instead of insisting that pretending to be a girl made all of his problems go away.

>>154374442
no that's an accurate representation.
transgenderism is just escapism. it's being unable to face reality, unable to take accountability for your misery and happiness, and creating an illusionary world in which you try to escape from your issues while also hating yourself and wanting to die. the veil is very thin and when things break through you have mental breakdowns. either that or you have such a deep delusion that you may as well be living in your own fantasy world inside your head.
what the show is, is a perfect representation of that even in a meta level. where goose funneled all those feelings and self hate into jax, and unable to cope with the fact that some people like him and understand how he is broken, hates jax, because gooses solution and escapism was to buy into transgenderism, and everything that tries to go through that escapist illusion is supremely uncomfortable and hateful.
it takes significant effort to keep this kind of mental thing going, a battle you can't win.

Jax is a terribly written character, yes. Chances are he would have been handled better by literally anyone else.

>>154374615
I think we fundamentally agree, then. I don't believe that Goose actually understood that what he was creating wasn't a deeply thoughtful, beautiful tragedy about the healing power of trooning out, but a massive admission of total delusion and self-deception that thinks it is saying deep, meaningful things. It's a common thing I've seen with a lot of trannies. They think they have some unique, special perspective on the human condition, and when you really listen to what they are trying to express about their feelings and experiences, it just becomes painfully obvious that you're listening to a crazy person try to justify their years of psychotic behavior, then inventing a magical rebirth scenario for themselves where they fixed their whole lives by buying dresses and pretending like all of their problems were because of the costume they wore before changing, despite all of those same problems and mentally ill behaviors persisting and worsening.

Jax was a broken, pitiful loser before his drama with his mom, and transitioning would have simply been an attempt to mask that and delude himself further about his problems being based in fear of other people's judgement and intimacy, instead of addressing the real problems inside of him. He even outright admits that he was prone to aggressive outbursts before he violently freaked out and pushed his mom, and what's he do for the rest of the series? Acts like an asshole to everyone and violently assaults them whenever he feels like it. That's who he really is, not some quirky emo t-girl who would have totally been able to stow all of his neuroses and be carefree and friendly with all of the women he constantly sought to abuse.

>>154373689
>>154373846
Jax was talking shit about Ribbit to everyone else behind her back. Jax fags can't stop dilating.

>>154374212
bronies were fat pedophiles
modern /co/ is actual 15 years old kids coming here to say stupid shit

>>154374894
yeah, the takeaway should have been that you can change if you put effort in it, if you face reality, you can make things better because you can actually work on yourself and improve.
instead, both goose and jax went deep into escapism and into their own heads, they both abstracted in their own way.

>They think they have some unique, special perspective on the human condition
you can have the exactly same feelings sufferings and experience as them, with the only difference being that you ended up not believing that drugs and surgeries will make you happy, and they will condemn and dismiss you saying "you don't get it" or "it's not the same for me I'm different" or calling you names and delusional and closeted, even though you're trying your best to help them.
it's a really deep mental black hole that is hard to escape from. but it's possible.

>>154375033
I think Goose intentionally neglected showing Jax being too cruel or involving too many other characters because then the intention falls apart. It means everyone has to be complicit and has to trust and follow Jax's lead on abusing Ribbit, and then it's not only Jax's fault, but everyone shares the blame for what happened to two of their friends after a dozen or more already faced the same problems and everyone fully fucking understands that people who are pushed too far mentally turn into monsters in the Circus.

So instead we get some lack of social engagement, one insane stupid argument, and then Ribbit going "okay." and seemingly walking off to go kill herself even though Jax is the far more mentally unstable and erratic character in the situation he created because he was having a big ol faggoty meltdown.

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>>154372425
her being a bad trans person was made as a WARNING. its a cautionary tale to not repress your true self because doing so makes you bitter and can lead to destroying yourself
>This is the character who's praised as the best written character in western fiction of ALL TIME
people who criticize her story for being “poorly written” just hate the idea of nuance and want characters to be either strictly good or strictly evil lmao. they like the idea of there being nuance but become repulsed when a character actually is nuanced.

>>154375555
Nice quads. Jax would be a bad person no matter what. Trying to blaming internalized this or that is trying to elevate those things to supernatural, corrupting forces. That's not how human psychology works and you're deluding yourself as badly as Goose is, when you indulge this ridiculous idea that all of Jax's problems are because he didn't start larping as a girl sooner.

>>154374207
yeah i like /co/, it's (still) one of the more chill boards. but i always took it for granted that
>remember the 90s Batman cartoon?
posters were also adults, who'd watched it as kids back in the day.

there have always been underageb&s. there will always be new/younger posters. but it's like this generation of summerfriends speak Tumblrese because that's normal to them.

i'm scared, /co/.

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also, a recommendation to you Tumblr kids:
Queer As Folk, the original 1999 UK version.

it's about gay lads who are all utter cunts. 'groundbreaking' for the time (zomg being gay is fine?!).
it's what you CLAIM to want (minorities depicted as normal people) yet you simultaneously get up in arms about (minorities depicted as bad people).

i get that TRAs are this generation's furries/otherkin, but even pop culture is regressing because of you weirdos.

>>154375033
Bullshit. I'm not a jaxfag I just hate lame writing, instead of making him actually DO anything that bad we just got a cop-out.
All he said was that if Ribbit said anything about him she was lying, and Jax at that point was being an asshole to everyone so why would anyone care what he has to say about her? Stop defending shit writing.

>>154372425
If trannies are people, I treat them like such. People CAN are selfish, spiteful, and apathetic. Being an insecure incel is only sympathetic if NO ONE tried to lend you a helping hand. Ribbit was the best thing that happened to Jax and HE FUCKED IT UP!!

>>154375555
>It's your fault that I'm a bad person
do trannies really?

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>>154375045
>bronies were fat pedophiles
Horses aren't children retard
>modern /co/ is actual 15 years old kids coming here to say stupid shit
It's discord trannies and femoids who are actually pedos and want to epicly own the /pol/ posters

>>154375774
There's a lot of angles to come at it, but the one that I've seen so many people fail to actually rebut is that the actual way Gooseworx chose to play out all the flashbacks and the super intense, brain shattering trauma that Jax both caused and suffered personally just wasn't well done. It showed an awkward intimate moment and a big blown up argument where he spews a bunch of stupid, paranoid bullshit.

People treat this sequence as if it actually stuck the landing and painted a heartbreaking picture of mental illness and interpersonal tragedy because it alluded to the possibility that those things might have happened, but it's not what it actually showed us. The audience having to start writing personal fanfiction for all the ways it could have happened, but weren't actually shown, just makes it impossible to claim that it was actually good or well-executed. It was both way too specific and explicit, but also obnoxious and aggressively vague at the same time and people act like the massive gaps in logic and narrative are doing things to deepen the story when they simply aren't.

>>154375824
Yes. Remember, if a tranny is a colossal piece of shit, then it is your fault that they are that way.

>>154374048
not that anon, but no one is obligated to include you. insisting that people let you into their group is kinda entitled.
It's not bullying if people want to be left alone

>>154372425
>character who's praised as the best written character in western fiction of ALL TIME
Are you people for real? Frfr no cap?

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>>154373628
People talking on /co/ about a cartoon? How horrible. Jax is a tranny piece of shit. Honestly impressed he did not get redeemed.

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>>154373887
look up 'FLINTA' clubs. it's the clunkiest acronym ever: 'Femme, Lesbian, Intersex, Nonbinary, Trans, Agender'.
basically a long-winded way of saying 'not men'. and that's not prejudice because they're special.

>>154376015
this is exactly what bigotry is, though.

black/white water fountains, women in the workplace, gay couples who want a wedding cake.

what if i just don't feel obligated to let transgender people into my café? they're not 'entitled', are they, anon?

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>>154375555
You know, the Backrooms movie had this scene where the therapist said:

>YOU ARE JUST BLAIMING YOUR BRAIN TO NOT TAKE RESPONSABILITY, YOU ARE YOUR BRAIN!

>>154373897
Uuuuuh
Did Cooper drive someone he knew into suicide?

>>154375045
>>154374212
When did this sudden hatred of bronies come from?
They used to be the high caste of /co/, to be a brony was the greatest pride any user could hope to achieve, they were respected.

>>154372425
>cis women
Or you could just say women. There is only one kind after all.

>>154372425
best tranny representation so far tbqhwyf

>>154376366
>YOU ARE JUST BLAIMING YOUR BRAIN TO NOT TAKE RESPONSABILITY, YOU ARE YOUR BRAIN!
I fucking loved that scene. Holds true in so many ways for so many people. Believing that if they could just change the entire world, instead of themselves, that happiness would just happen to them.

>>154376366
>>YOU ARE JUST BLAIMING YOUR BRAIN TO NOT TAKE RESPONSABILITY, YOU ARE YOUR BRAIN!
Consciousness is not solely in the brain, so no.

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>>154372425
Troons will praise the worst of the worst as long as they are ideologically aligned with their views.

>>154374442
>deep, meaningful

Nothing about Jax was ever deep and meaningful.

>>154375555
>Jax being trans
>Instantly kills himself

Ever notice how cooper chose a song about a newborn baby? Pretty groomer like if you ask me.

>>154377707
>Consciousness is not solely in the brain, so no.

Without a brain you would not a consciousness you rube.

>>154374166
Who else watches cartoons?

>>154378002
That's a progressive thing, aka Tumblr aka bolshevik aka cult thing. Transvestites are just another sub group branched off from insane fanatics. Fuckign shame because I thought femboys were the future. Women are UGH.

>>154378269
And this doesn't change the fact that consciousness is not reducible to the brain.

>>154375555
>I am not allowed to be trans
Why not? They're in a literal clown world where anything can happen.
Jax declaring himself a woman would probably not have even been the weirdest thing to happen on any given day in the circus. He's just a little bitch.

>>154378398
Yes it does. If you get rid of the brain, what do you have?

>>154372425
I think this character was testing the waters for how terrible you can make a character treat others before they totally get absolved of their sins by being trans. Apparently a character like Jax can be cleared for any wrongdoing simply for being trans.

They are going to have to redo this experiment with an even meaner and more abusive character until they find out at what point is a trans character not forgiven by the public (twitter leftoids).

>>154378442
Don't be a retard, I'm talking about the qualitative feeling of consciousness *not* being reducible to brain function alone.
You can't describe consciousness by describing an object without begging the question.

See: The hard problem of consciousness.

>>154378527
No one doesn't know what consciousness is. If you talk to some hippy on dmt he would tell you it's love man!

>>154378588
>No one doesn't know what consciousness is.
Yes, but you can't actually empirically verify it.

>>154378493
>Apparently a character like Jax can be cleared for any wrongdoing simply for being trans.

This. It's like if you had Adolf Hitler being trans and all the loony troons would agree with him about killing 6 million Jews.

>>154376276
you make a good point, bigotry can be reasonable
boundaries exist because of irreconcilable differences

>>154372425
How do we know he is trans and not just a crossdresser.

>>154378801
i mean you can take it a step further if you're into all this trans stuff:
how you feel about 'people treating you', that's how biological women feel about you.

>>154378919
show's creator confirmed it

>>154378493
I think the Emilia Perez movie (where a main character leader of a cartel) really pushed it, and it was going to win lots of awards until people dug into the transwoman actor's racist tweets

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>>154372425
I love how reddit has an entire subreddit dedicated to hating on jax

https://old.reddit.com/r/Thatstupidbunnywehate/

at least the people in that community recognise what a misogynistic ass he is

>>154376276
Yes, they'd be self entitled. Discrimination is almost always foolish, but it shouldn't be illegal.

>>154373604
Jax has a dick

>>154379200
what?

>>154372425
Zooble is also trans in that they're non-binary, but you trolls have nothing to say about them. Funny that.

>>154373689
>he just got avoidant and pushed her away
It's a place where they're all stuck, they have no way of getting out, they only have each other. A friend turning their back and ostracizing you for seemingly no reason could drive someone to depression and suicide on those situations.

>>154379792
i'm going to be awkward as hell and say there's one good case for discrimination, and it's in the positive direction:
if someone is physically or severely mentally disabled, they should accommodated. build ramps for people in wheelchairs, that sort of thing.

otherwise, shit's retarded. i have no idea why these new-wave transgenders are so desperate to be victims, but here we are.

>>154375763
“paul mcgann doesn’t count”
replaces paul mcgann with a literal ooga booga bixnood nigger. russel t davies deserves to be stabbed in public.

>>154375033
>"Hey Kaufmo, if Ribbit tells you I'm a faglord who wants to wear frilly panties and get my prostate pounded, she's lying."
>"Dude wtf are you talking about"
Wow such bullying. Women get mindbroken and cut thermselves from just this

>>154379699
>reddit tourism
>twitter nigger images
>whining about "misogynistic ass"
Good Lord what has happened to /co/mblr

>>154380444
tbf the TV movie was shit. for the first year or two of the revival we DIDN'T know if it counted.

besides, he'd have to backpedal anyway. it's like Simon Pegg talking via his character in Spaced.
>every odd-numbered Star Trek is shit.
>The Phantom Menace is...le bad!
he's now been in both those franchises (conveniently around the same time he changed his mind on them).

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wtf is this

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>>154380992
>making jax beat women in the merch shop too

>>154378493
It's less that he's absolved by being trans and more that Goose really, really wanted people to agree that not transitioning was the character's biggest moral failing and the true reason he was such a terrible person. As if transitioning was so magical and special that it could have fixed someone who was so thoroughly fucking broken as a person that they would have total clarity and lucidity and fully recognize that all of their mental illness was just untreated transphobia and misogyny, and then simply not be a bad person.

Gooseworx is, quite clearly, out of his fucking mind and does not realize what a fucking insane and retarded message this is to anyone who doesn't worship trannies as sacred beings who are incapable of being bad people.

>>154372425
Where is the evidence he's trans? I interpreted it as him being gay / effeminate / faggoty.
Even in the "happy end" for irl jax he hasn't trooned out.

>>154380082
No one cares that Zooble is non-binary because that's not a real thing and is just Faggotry Lite™ for boring women.

>>154380082
The fact everyone accepts Zooble and the they/them pronouns just makes Jax look like even more of a bitch.

>>154381602
the evidence is that the author said he's trans, and the author said his human is trans too but "boymoding" (pretends to be a man at work and public so noone finds him out). He changed his name from Leeroy to Lee

>>154381735
That's gay.

nooseworx's self insert btw. trannies cant stop exposing themselves.

>>154372425
>He never had the balls to even try the same thing with Kaufmo or Kinger, let alone Caine, even though "they weren't real either," as he kept insisting in order to hurt the women.

Jax is such a pussy that he fails at even being the bully he bragged so much about being.

>>154377707
Where else do you have a conscience besides your brain? In your ass?

>>154381602
wrong way round.
Goose confirmed that Digital Circus Jax is a hateful gaslighting chud because he didn't troon out and stayed in the closet.
Goose confirmed that Digital Circus Jax would have been #HeckinHealthy if he did troon out as a Woman
Goose confirmed the reason Human Jax hasn't killed himself and gets along with the Circus is because he (she) did troon out and now she is "Lee"

>All the trannies and their allies are PRAISING and FORGIVING Jax. Gooseworx was so delusional to think he was forgivable!
It sure is easier to hate minorities when you just make shit up about how they act.
>>154374442
>>154374615
>>154374894
>>154375095
>Goose is just as bad as Jax! Goose is drowning in escapism!
Gooseworx is a successful professional artist who has many healthy relationships with people of both sexes, and has successfully overseen the production of a nine part animated miniseries.
I can't take any of these judgements seriously when Goose has provided plenty of evidence that she is mature, well adjusted, and not held back by an escapism addiction, while none of her anonymous haters on here have done the same.

>>154381816
Goose also confirmed that part of Zooble's backstory involves body dysmorphia—just like her own—but she overcame it and got an otaku girlfriend.

>>154381799
Kaufmo is a noncharacter who appeared for all of 2 seconds, he never did slapstick violence on the Dog or the Frog either
Kinger is the wholesome chungus #supportive uncle figure, nothing bad ever happens to him, he's just there to cry about his Diverse Black Wife
noone can bully Caine, he's not even part of their wacky slapstick adventures he's the guy commentating it

>>154373689
>LITERALLY ANYONE ELSE
Her only other options were Kaufmo, Kinger, and Ragatha. It's not like she had a lot of choices.

>>154376015
That wasn't the point. It was just that Jax displayed very typical female bully behavior towards Ribbit.

>>154381895
saying he wants to go with Kaufmo instead isn't being a bully.

>>154381922
see
>>154373897
>push them to suicide
is the author's own words.

>>154381868
that's 300% of the people currently avoiding her (just Jax). Not even including Caine who she could also befriend.
She had a lot of choices.

>>154381931
Then the author's a massive pussy who thinks any non-complimentary behaviour is "abuse" and "pushing them into suicide"
which being a tranny, is no surprise

>>154375555
Your post is spot on but your image is wrong. The theme of the show is how destructive masking can be. Gangle has her bipolar disorder and Ragatha has her people pleasing tendencies. Jax had his own reason to mask and it got so bad it caused harm to not just himself but those around him. His issues aren't that he can't be trans, it's that he's afraid to be vulnerable and honest. Ribbit accepted him for who he was and that's what freaked him out.

>>154381832
>Goose is actually a super good person because he made a cartoon!
Lmao you're so full of shit. Gooseworx is both an infamous pervert and all around shithead. The fact that he immediately followed the release of the final episode with art of trans Jax talking about getting cucked is evidence alone that he's deeply mentally unwell, and that's before we get into all of the torture porn he draws for himself on the side.

>>154381868
and Kinger and Caine. 5 friendly trans-supportive people there, only 1 person not wanting to be her friend.

>>154381922
Literal reading is that Jax was just dismissive and had one nasty argument, but showed no repeated outward or overt abusive behavior other than adopting the nihilistic jerk persona which no one takes seriously because it's obvious what an insecure loser he is.

Intended reading, as expressed by Goose, is that it is 100% Jax's fault that Ribbit and Kaufmo abstracted and that, even though he was freaking out about it privately, he continued to act toxic and abusive to everyone because he's a bad person with internalized transphobia that made him as close to a multiple-times murderer and attempted murderer that someone in the Digital Circus can be.

The take away shouldn't be "Jax is actually good because they didn't show him doing anything excessively wrong" but that "Gooseworx is a tremendously bad writer and a hack retard who wanted to force this character arc from day 1, but didn't come up with a way to make it work even with 3+ years of time to figure it out"

>>154382016
I take the literal reading because it's clear Goose, as a tranny, has a much different view of what behaviour is "toxic and abusive" than I do.
When normal people have a friend not want to be their friend anymore, they get over it. It's the other person's right to like who they like, and dislike who they dislike. That's life, not everyone will clap and lay Rose Petals for you.
Goose, as a tranny, clearly equates someone not calling you Brave and Stunning as "this person hates your existence this person is trying to genocide you this person is literally pushing you into suicide".

I fully 100% believe Goose THINKS this tiny offence is enough to push someone gay and they/them like that Digital Frog into suicide by implying you don't accept them.
But as a normal man I therefore remain firm and say the nonacceptance isn't the problem, the trannies killing themselves over nothing is the problem. Goose is wrong even if he thinks he is right.

>>154382016
>internalized transphobia that made him as close to a multiple-times murderer and attempted murderer that someone in the Digital Circus can be.
This is what gets me. Is the message supposed to be that trans people are one bad day away from harming themselves or others? Why would anyone want to be around that?

Goose was trying to convince you through his cartoon sequence that "microaggressions" like not wanting to be on the same team as a they/them or not taking part in their therapy sessions, is actually super abusive and would definitely push them into suicide.

>>154375555
Ironically, it's more of a cautionary tale against opening up about your deepest secrets without properly introspecting on them. Jax had a lot of problems, "being trans" arguably wasn't even the biggest one, even if that's what Goose intended it to be.

>>154376366
Haven't seen it so I don't know the context, but I started blaming my brain because blaming myself just made me a miserable NEET that never did anything of value for anyone. Blaming my brain for my flaws allowed me to come to terms with my unworthy existence and now I have a job.

>>154382140
the message is that Cis people are one bad day away from harming themselves or others, chud. If Jax trooned out she'd be wholesome and do no wrongs. But he stayed a toxic male chud so he did.

>>154382098
>>154382140
If it's not making sense to you, it's because you don't have an ideological tumor destroying your ability to think clearly and engage with reality on reality's terms. What Goose thought he was doing and what he was actually doing are so wildly different that it's almost not worth acknowledging his intentions. The guy had total writing control of the whole show and many years to figure out how to stick the landing and what he did instead was use Jax to air his own insane beliefs, while believing he was telling a universally understandable story that everyone would easily understand and wouldn't need to be explained, because he doesn't understand that he's in an incredibly toxic bubble of crazy people who endlessly reaffirm each other's insane delusions as universal truths.

>>154382219
it makes sense to me though.
They/Them Tranny Frog was the kind of person Goose is friend with in that "incredibly toxic bubble of crazy people who endlessly reaffirm each other's insane delusions as universal truths"

To the people in that bubble, just saying "nah I don't wanna hang out" is a Capital transphobic bullying gaslighting negging offence that would totally 100% be enough to push them to suicide.
Normal people don't get how sensitive these queermos are.

>>154382256
You're mixing literal on-screen readings with symbolic interpretations and you're going to reach a very confused conclusion by doing that.

Jax was meant to be such a vile, psychotic, self-hating bully that his intensely abusive and hateful behavior made two people give up on life. His actions weren't shown as being actually vile enough that any of us would understand why Ribbit and Kaufmo chose suicide instead of relying on any of the other people in the Circus, or just giving up on Jax, which makes it harder to take seriously. But all the same, we're not supposed to think that his crime was saying "leave me alone" or "stop talking to me" but that's most of what we saw.

>>154382321
>we're not supposed to think that his crime was saying "leave me alone" or "stop talking to me"
We are.
It's just that to Goose (and most LGBTs) that's enough to make a Trans Frog kill themselves.
Goose doesn't understand that isn't life-destroying to a non-tranny, that's why Goose didn't make Jax do anything worse.

>>154375555
>I'm bad because I'm not allowed to be trans
You're misunderstanding the same way Gooseworx did. Jax being or not being a tranny is irrelevant. He just needed to open up to people and stop pushing them away. He needed to not be afraid of letting someone see any kind of sincerity or vulnerability in him, and part of that is accepting his true self. Which means acknowledhing and accepting his flaws, not pretending to be a woman and acting like doing so would fix all his problems.
If Jax is a repressed tranny, then that repression would contribute to his frustration and lashing out, but it's far from the only issue he has.

>>154375930
>People treat this sequence as if it actually stuck the landing and painted a heartbreaking picture of mental illness and interpersonal tragedy because it alluded to the possibility that those things might have happened, but it's not what it actually showed us. The audience having to start writing personal fanfiction for all the ways it could have happened, but weren't actually shown, just makes it impossible to claim that it was actually good or well-executed.
I legitimately don't know what you're talking about.
What was shown was exactly what needed to be shown: Jax let someone get too close and then froze her out to protect himself from being vulnerable.
"What could have happened but weren't actually shown" aren't relevant.

>>154376276
>what if i just don't feel obligated to let transgender people into my café? they're not 'entitled', are they, anon?
Yes, they are.
>gay couples who want a wedding cake.
Trying to force someone to do cake art he doesn't want to do is the very definition of entitlement. He didn't even mind making a cake for them, he just didn't want to do the specific cake they wanted.

>>154379699
>at least the people in that community recognise what a misogynistic ass he is
Why is everyone handwringing about this? Jax makes a couple of mildly edgy comments and suddenly he's a raging misogynist?

>>154381832
>she
this alone is proof of everything said.
when you're so delusional to try and reject physical reality, you are not a reasonable person.

>>154375555
>Let me do what I want or else I'll be a problem
Kids like this got the fucking belt and the rest of us agreed with their parent.

>>154382646
Tell that to all the people who act like they watched a different episode than what we were shown.

>>154382098
Emotionally ghosting someone who was becoming a very close friend instead of addressing your issue is a shitty thing to do, but you're still ultimately correct. Nobody is entitled to your friendship. It really sucks when someone does that to you, but ultimately you need to get over it.
It's not like he became hostile or malicious to her. He just switched off. It was obvious that he was drawing away because he couldn't handle what happened.
People say he isolated her, but all we see of that is Jax distracting Ragatha so she doesn't go after Ribbit. Which is a crummy thing to do but probably wasn't done out of malice. It's likely he was afraid that Ribbit would spill the beans.
It's sadly ironic that he thought she'd air his dirty laundry, but her being too nice to do it is what led to her abstraction. She needed to stand up for herself and cause some drama about it, not withdraw into herself.

>>154382727
>Tell that to all the people who act like they watched a different episode than what we were shown.
From my perspective, you're doing that. Can you elaborate more on what you think wasn't adequately shown?

Honestly though it is casually abusive to tell people "If you tell anyone about this I won't ever talk to you again". It's leveraging affection to control someone, even if it's done out of panic. It sounds like he did something similar to Ragatha when he made her promise not to mention Ribbit ever again.
Sucks even more that they did exactly what he wanted and he still completely withdrew his affection anyway.
Things wouldn't have gone the way they did if the others stood up to Jax, but I guess everyone was so afraid of causing others to abstract/suicide they were constantly walking on eggshells.
Which, ironically enough, fits the whole tranny phenomenon. People enable them and let them make everything worse for themselves and everyone around them, because they're bludgeoned with the idea that their loved one will kill themselves if they don't.

>>154372425
Jax is not a trans rep, he is Goose's self-insert. Reps are only when a straight white male creator needs to add a character of a specific identity for BlackRock money.

>>154372425
My two cents are that I don't think Goose was built for handling a full-on series, especially one that's literally the biggest fucking thing ever like TADC. Her shorter features (BLUE_CHANNEL, Little Runmo, Elain, Ghost of The Year, Darly Boxman) show off her particular skills much better in my opinion.
Also I do think the trans stuff was thought of after the pilot. The series would've been written/structured differently if it was a part of her initial vision. That plus all the added pressure from GLITCH and the hundreds of millions of eyes on her show couldn't have helped either.
Also, unrelated, but I really dislike how quick Glitch are to merchandize their shows, even after just a pilot's been put out. Sets a bad precedent.

>>154382747
>Can you elaborate more on what you think wasn't adequately shown?
Jax doing more than becoming vaguely distant and having a single argument where his tactic goes from gaslighting and casual dismisal to paranoid accusations that everyone is just looking to find out his secrets to use them against him. A thing that no one else did and never even happened to him in the real world.

We see him be openly abusive, mean, physically violent, and aggressively antagonistic throughout the rest of the show, but the flashbacks, which are meant to show Jax at his most awful, show him just going
>I'm already teamed up with Kaufmo. Maybe next time
>Hey Kaufmo, if Ribbit talks about me, ignore it
>OH GOD I'M HAVING A REALISTIC PANIC ATTACK WHY AM I LIKE THIS
>Lol whatever Kaufmo you're crazy

Because there's no way to write Jax as being so openly abusive and manipulative to Ribbit and Kaufmo in a way that makes any sense without involving the other characters. Even just between Ribbit and Kaufmo, seemingly the best of friends and spending time together as much as possible, they never support each other. They both see Jax acting insane and just let it happen until it killed them. No one else gets to be involved because it would require that they all go along with Jax, a guy who is both trying to be as unlikable as possible and ending friendships, but also seemingly incapable of isolating himself and avoiding any social connections.

>>154372425
It's funny how /co/ talks about Jax the way pearl clutching (heh) Tumblr users talked about Steven Universe. Oh jeepers oh golly oh no! A flawed character!! The horror! Stick to Bluey for fuckened sake. How embarrassing to have TADC be too adult for your sensibilities. Are you going to cancel Squidward next?

>>154383130
It's only funny if you completely misunderstand the complaints on purpose so you can act smug.

>>154374442
Jax lived in such angry desperate denial of sincerity and self reflection because the way he was raised made even considering it deathly embarrassing, and latched onto a dickhead persona that's "never serious about anything". If that's Goose's issues as well, and transitioning meant no longer hiding from sincerity and pushing everyone away, it's really not a core issue and self damning. I'm sure that'd ruin your narrative though.

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>>154383151
You're writing fanfiction. Jax had a single instance in his real life of opening up to an abusive person he had a bad relationship with, and the outcome of that is him jumping to a paranoid belief that someone who was genuinely only ever nice to him with no strings attached, in an extremely unusual and inescapable situation no less, must secretly be trying to manipulate him to get his secrets (a thing neither of his parents did) so they can then humiliate him in front of everyone (a thing his mother never did).

And then Goose showed up after, because so many people were confused about what was attempted to be implied, and blurted out that the solution to all of Jax's problems was to transition and simply stop having the problems he started having for extremely flimsy reasons that require huge leaps in logic.

Jax trying to act manly because his parents gave him a complex about not being man enough? That works. Jax deciding that the only way to never be vulnerable is to emotionally and sometimes physically abuse everyone around him because he thinks everyone is out to get him? Fucking nonsense.

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>show has a father figure who helps other characters deal with their personal bullshit frequently
>plays almost no part in helping the self insert troon
I'm noticing

>>154382900
Virtually the entire cast is made up of his self inserts, not just Jax.

>>154383201
>Hey Jax, it seems we've finally ended up alone in a dark place so I can give you some vague, but reassuring advice about all that obvious trauma you're trying to hide
>SHUT THE FUCK UP KINGER
>Okay then.

>>154383220
>Did I mention my Diverse Black Wife abstracted and that’s sad? Just in case you’d forgotten by now

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What did Goose mean by this?

>>154381813
You got a lot off nerves in your heart and guts too! Like a whole small animal's worth!

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>>154372425
>Is a rude asshole who goes through no character development (no, getting a backstory is NOT character development)
Him refusing to grow as a person until he ultimately realized he was trapped in a hell in part of his own making and unequipped to get himself out and then resorting to suicide as an escape mechanism is literally the entire fucking point of the character.

Yes. He didn't get character development. Character development can go against characterizations and undermine narrative roles. Jax getting character development would have been bad writing.

If you think character development is always a good thing, you don't know how writing works. Static characters are a thing.

And before some dipshit jumps in and says character development just means characterization, OP clearly didn't mean that definition cause they excluded his backstory.

Picture unrelated.

>>154383031
>her

>>154383151
except transitioning is exactly hiding from sincerity and diving into delusion.
everyone who doesn't play into it will be damned and pushed away.

>>154383308
Tadc proved you wrong. Jax wouldn’t accept who she truly is and pushed away Ribbit for trying to help her. This is what happens irl

>>154383189
Is this not what the trans community at large seems to believe? That all of their personality problems will be magically solved by transitioning?

>>154383267
All I'm getting from this post is "it's supposed to be bad and lazy, you're dumb for not understanding that!"

>>154383319
jax proved me right. because jax is a self insert torture character that goose uses to hate himself. he is delusional. were seeing his abstraction irl though the cartoon.
transgenderism is farthest possible thing you can do from "being yourself". you're so much not yourself that you lose your mind and mutilate your body.
there is no worse end.

>>154383325
yes

>>154383102
>Jax doing more than becoming vaguely distant and having a single argument where his tactic goes from gaslighting and casual dismisal to paranoid accusations that everyone is just looking to find out his secrets to use them against him. A thing that no one else did and never even happened to him in the real world.
I see what you're getting at now, but I don't think that's something that needs to be shown as having happened. He's reaching for excuses to put distance between them, and it could be part of the gaslighting.
But I do think his experiences with his mother led him to expect people he opens up to to hurt him. He shared "something personal" with her and she threw it in his face. He saw this as a deep betrayal and It's not a reach to think she'd done that before in less severe ways.
>but the flashbacks, which are meant to show Jax at his most awful, show him just going
I do agree that he's not as abusive in the flashbacks as people say. Maybe he was meant to be shown that way, but the scene I saw was just a tragedy where he was deeply hurting himself and Ribbit because he couldn't handle being vulnerable.
>Ribbit and Kaufmo, seemingly the best of friends and spending time together as much as possible, they never support each other.
Yeah, I don't really understand this either. Nobody properly talked to or supported each other before Pomni showed up. Nobody was there for Ribbit. I put it down to her withdrawing and keeping it all to herself, but it's odd that she and Kaufmo didn't hash things out. Nobody even knew that Kinger was sane in darkness until Pomni spent time with him Then when she shows up, everyone is having therapy sessions. It's weird.
So I guess I see the flashback scene as well executed in itself, minus Kaufmo and Ribbit not talking for some reason. But I agree that it's not saying what Goose apparently wanted it to say, or what everyone reads into it.

>>154383364
Jax is the self-hating cishet who won’t accept who she is and forces himself to be male.
That’s “his” only delusion, denying who she really is, and that’s what causes her abstraction.
In the real world Lee accepts help and comes out as trans and becomes better, which is her good and best end.

>>154383267
>If you think character development is always a good thing, you don't know how writing works. Static characters are a thing.
I agree that "character development" doesn't need to be an ironclad rule. The point of some characters is that they don't change and that's what makes them tragic, or villainous. It's also possible to have supporting characters that don't really have an arc per se.
Character development is good, but being shackled to it isn't. That's just going down a checklist of writing formula.

>>154372425
It's actually pretty good. It could only be a trans person who makes such a detestable trans character. This is actually good for acceptance of the trans community too. Too many times hollyjew keeps forcing LGBT shit making the gays and troons look like perfect little angels who dindu muffins. Truth is Trans people are people and people come in all kinds. If a straight cis person made Jax they would be called trans hating and trying to attack the community. When Goose does it, it creates a character you can discuss and feels more real and even human than any perfect Netflix dindus.

>>154383364
Jax is delusional because she won’t accept Ribbit’s help to come out as the woman she really is

>>154383364
Worse, honestly I think.
Making his self insert a Tumblrsexyman, then having some of his last words be
"You're not supposed to like me."
I think he was banking on the fandom worshipping Jax (and thus him vicariously) and getting off on all that validation.

>>154383398
NTA, but why do transgender people need to ignore all nuance and just reduce everything to "Gender nonconforming character is trans and needs to transition"?
Even if we did accept that Jax is transgender, which I think is a reach if we just go by the show itself, he's got a bunch of problems. Transitioning isn't a cure all, and the lie that it is is probably why so many trannies treat it as an escapism button and end up killing themselves when it doesn't work.

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>>154383459
HER problems all come from not accepting Ribbot and Pomni’s attempts to crack his shell.
If she did open up and let Ribbit crack her shell nothing bad would have happened and he would have overcome her internalised transphobia

>>154383426
I support the idea that a trans character should be able to be written as a piece of shit, and that it's better writing, but I think the trans stuff was a bad fit for Jax in particular. It messed with an arc that worked perfectly without it, and it feels like the creator just had a fixation on forcing it to be about tranny stuff like so many of them do.

>>154372425
That is a realistic representation of a modern tranny, they're just incels undercover.

>>154383472
See it didn't fix him he's projecting mental illness on the two girls now.

>>154383490
They’re lesbians. Assuming Ribbit trying to crack her shell was “flirting” was because of your compulsive heterosexuality.

>>154383487
Discordtroon
Incels in disguise
Discordtroon
Can't fuck girls or guys.

>>154383426
/co/omrade, you miss the point.
This is just Contrapoints telling the whole world that Buffalo Bill was accurate Trans/AGP Rep (correctly) all over again.
To the tune of millions this time.

>>154383472
HIS problems come from his upbringing and his inability to be vulnerable to anybody.
>crack her shell
"Egg cracking" is evil shit for a variety of reasons, and insisting that a character is in the wrong for not allowing someone else to impose an identity on them is fucked up.
You've been sucked into the tranny cult and are incapable of rationality.

So what I'm gathering is that the point of Jax was that he couldn't deal with his own problems, made that everyone else's problem, let people kill themselves over it, then got mad and killed himself, this affects absolutely nobody except the one person who makes it her business to be nice to everyone and even she moves on quickly, nobody learns anything, and everyone is better off without him

>>154383495
No you just assume all your peers want gay sex because you're a compulsive groomer.

>>154383472
>HER problems all come from not accepting Ribbot and Pomni’s attempts to crack his shell
You know what makes me laugh the most, thinking that someone's transition could solve a narcissistic and sadistic personality when in reality they stay like that even after, only to become discord moderators.

Btw it sucks how they portrayed insecurity, it's very stereotypical.

>>154383524
>when in reality they stay like that even after
They become worse because now they can ignore all their problems and say "Look! I transitioned so I'm wonderful and healthy now!"

>>154383510
>bigot thinking others aren’t rational
Stop it, Get some help. This isnmt healthy.
HER problems and inability to be vulnerable and admit her trans identity were born from transphobic bigots like you giving her internalised transphobia.
Ribbit, being a fellow LGBT divergent identity as a They/Them not compelled to wear clothed like the other girls because they are genderless, knew better than anyone that Jax needed to be vulnerable and have her shell cracked. These two facts are synonymous, she was incapable of being vulnerable because she feared the allies like Ribbit trying to crack her shell would be hateful bigots like you.

>>154383513
On top of that it's also really funny that he was too proud and stubborn to own up to anything and reacted to any attempts at reconciliation with outright hostility, when the guy that literally inflicted this entire terror on everyone just goes "oops sorry I'll be good now" and is immediately forgiven

>>154383545
You can cut off your dick but you cant chop off your awful personality.

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>>154383539
Of course they do that, social media validation is a hell of a drug for a narcissist who seeks attention. The way you treat a narcissist is by working on his self esteem because years of devaluation and rejection made them too fragile to act with sincerity, and for a logical reason.

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>>154372425
Based Goose.
Final nail in the coffin of trans acceptance.

>>154383495
>Assuming Ribbit trying to crack her shell
If this is what Ribbit was trying to do, she fucked up and ruined everything.
Even if Jax was transgender, even if you're delusional and arrogant enough to think that being a tranny is an ontologically true identity that is hidden from someone by a "shell" that needs to be "cracked", Jax simply wasn't ready. Jax didn't need to have his deeply personal disclosure met with a sudden "egg cracking" attempt. It pushed him into territory he was uncomfortable with and caused him to reject it entirely. All it shows is that people who try to "crack eggs" are exhibiting deeply unhealthy and destructive behaviors.
By the way, if Jax never "accepted" that he's transgender, labeling him a "she" is remarkably fucked up. >>154383515 was right about you being a compulsive groomer.

>>154383545
I hope you are baiting, because if you aren't you are evil and deranged, and you directly contribute to making the lives of your fellow trannies much, much worse.

it would be cool if jax was just a boy who liked to be kinda feminine and crossdress sometimes

>>154383618
>it would be cool if jax was just a boy who liked to be kinda feminine and crossdress sometimes
Those people don't exist anymore, they just get groomed into being miserable trannies

>>154383624
Can't wear a dress for a laugh anymore. There will be no millennial Tim Curry, David Bowie or the money python guy that plays the old ladies.

>>154383408
Main characters can also not get much development. Generally paragons.

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>>154383339
All I'm getting from this post is "I think characters should grow as people even when the plot is about them refusing to grow as people and why that's bad"

>>154379442
Along with confirming that in addition to being a closet troon Jax is a closet cuck

>>154378002
Cis users like one particular former Gorillaz eceleb also praise and take Jax being good trans rep at its word too, thinking how "ooh she hot and just like me ehehe" and how sad and true it is people will be so terrible to others instead of finding their own happiness. Telling on themselves and being enabled by their followers instead of thinking they need self improvement.

>>154383624
One troll that likes to pollute boards here admitted to doing so to fulfill a boyfriend's futanari fetish while fulfilling a raceplay one. You learn so much against your will.

>>154383513
And they keep the zombie corpses of the dead around as their personal pets and entertainment.

>>154383804
>You learn so much against your will.
God isn't that the truth

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>>154383810
>>154383513
It's worse because he's not lobotomized or even dead, he's trapped in a literal hell surrounded by phantoms of his past mistakes for all eternity

https://litter.catbox.moe/8cpj2aw7r90vm7ni.mp4

>>154383726
If that part of the plot had no momentum then it had to serve the overarching story some other way, lest it be a huge waste of everyones time and attention. How did there being no character development help the show?

>>154383398
>>154383435
mutilating yourself, playing pretend, and living in your own head isn't "being yourself". it's escapism. goose is doing no different than jax. neither of them are willing to face reality.

>>154383436
I think it's the opposite, he thought everyone would hate jax be cause it's everything he hates about himself, and thinking that transitioning fixed everything, but a lot of people saw the flaws as relatable or had compassion and that made him upset.

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>>154383545

>>154383545
gender ideology is the most bigoted, sexist and homophobic thing in modern society.
yes that includes the middle east with it's public stonings.
more people have died due to gender ideology and it's brainwashing than that.

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>>154383472
>Jaxxy is LITERALLY a cuck

>>154383850
nta but thats a bold faced lie lmao, the middle east has killed tens of millions over allah slop
russia has killed tens of millions over communism
meanwhile genderslop has mutilated less than that since not every lgbt fag is a tranny

>>154383624
yeah we do.
you just have to be comfortable with yourself, and understand that gender ideology is a scam and a complete polar opposite extremist sexist conformist ideology that stifles your freedom of expression.
then you can be a happy femboy/trap and seeing transgenderists will choke to try and drag you down, but if you have resolve they can't do anything to you even if they kill you.

>>154383859
I'm glad you do actually exist, anon. Keep fighting the good fight.

>>154383856
killed who?
I'm talking about gay lesbian and non conforming people.
>communism
Lenin decriminalized homosexuality.

>>154383618
Honestly, that was my takeaway before Goose tweeted the TRVE INTENDED meaning. That he's insecure over being a turbobottom who wants to wear frilly panties and get his asshole reamed and doesn't care if it's a man or a woman doing the reaming.

>>154383841
No? The fans HATED Jax from pretty much episode 2 onwards. There was a nuclear reaction when Gooseworx called him and pomni the show's leads.

>>154383866
you said gender ideology has killed more than any other ideology in modern society, communism killed a lot more shitters in europe and the middle east killed a lot more in all their wars in modern history/society than lgbt slop

>>154383865
thanks.
it's everyone's fight, were just more of a target.

>>154383878
reading comprehension. not what I said.
I'm talking about ideologies directed at killing gay lesbians and gnc. which transgenderism is definitely in the lead for.

>>154383820
It's so over the top horrible. It's something Oney or PhantomArcade would do to a character.ai homunculus.
It's a big part of why Jax's fate is so funny. No one deserves that.

>>154383877
I liked him, he's a fucked up tragic character. even more fucked up and tragic now that I know that he's gooses pretroon self insert and that he hates him thus himself.

>>154383877
>he fans HATED Jax from pretty much episode 2 onwards.
He was a fucking Tumblr sexyman that had two popular ships in the fandom. The reason people got upset was because the show was supposed to be an ensemble but Goose eventually let his self insert become center stage

>>154372425
Data can’t be “trans” stupid troon

>>154383894
not just him but all the abstractions, its literally hell

>>154383897
Jax is a kapparot chicken for Goose.

>>154383130
>bluey
>flawless characters
Their was a whole episode dedicated to getting the dad to admit he farted in his daughter’s face

>>154383908
>google it
man what the fuck is wrong with jews

I was honestly expecting it to be a story about the toxic relationship dynamics that resulted from Jax being the only viable romantic partner in the cast. Like, Jax, Ragatha, Pomni, and Gangle are obviously designed to be one of those weird hypergamic polyhedrons where everyone hates themselves for fucking the asshole.

I guess I just thought the show understood teenage girls better.

>>154383942
huh... who's a teenage girl? pretty sure they're all like 20-30yos

>>154383897
I liked him too, it was obvious he was doing just as poorly as the rest of the cast, but lots of people were too impatient for his arc to kick off.
As soon as he started beefing with Zooble I knew they were going to "fix" him by making him some flavor of gay.

>>154383974
I meant I thought that was the demographic it was aiming for.

>>154383987
I don't think teenage anyone watches anything longer than 30 seconds.
its tiktoks and ytshorts all the way down.

also I think demographic is adults. you can argue that cartoons have some infantilistic qualities but I don't think anyone cares or should care about that.

>>154372425
Goose really went full mask off during the finale. It's so shameless I kinda have to respect it.

i cant believe believe gooseworx was a shovelchin tranny the whole time. it's no wonder tadc was good, it was made by a man.

>>154383618
>it would be cool if jax was just a boy who liked to be kinda feminine and crossdress sometimes
Say what you will about Angel Dust but at least he's still a guy.

>>154384057
we have to retvrn

>>154383840
>If that part of the plot had no momentum then it had to serve the overarching story some other way
It did? The story was the cast lead by Pomni adapting to their environment and finding happiness in their day to day lives while providing each other comfort and emotional support juxtaposed with Caine learning to be less controlling and actually listen to and learn about the humans in order to better his relationship with them juxtaposed with Jax hurting everyone around him, refusing to grow as a person, refusing to find happiness in or even properly engage with the life he's found himself in, ultimately concluding with him self-destructing in a literal sense.

Jax is literally one of the three main characters meant to act as a narrative foil for the other 2. Him not getting character development lets him fucking act as a narrative foil for the rest of the cast. If he actually grew as a character, he'd both cut into Caine's arc and diminish the impact of Pomni's. At that point he might as well not exist. The show didn't fucking need diet Caine.

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>>154378148
It gets funnier every time.

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>>154372425
>This is the character who's praised as the best written character in western fiction of ALL TIME
Nobody fucking said that.

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>>154384138
But it is true.
Goose dropped the ball even twice and nobody noticed.

>>154383918
>Their was a whole episode dedicated to getting the dad to admit he farted in his daughter’s face
Sounds flawless to me

>>154380561
>Women get mindbroken and cut thermselves from just this
Men get mindbroken and cut their dicks off.