>>154451393
Please deal with your autism in a healthier way

>>154451393
Nah, I'm good bro

>>154451393
It makes me sad to see how committed she is to this concept. The pilot has some decent gags, but I'm just not that interested unfortunately.

>>154451393
some of this thumbnail reminds me of mr pickles

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>>154451393

This was going to be a DTVA show but they rejected it due the strikes, so the creator made it indie.

Fuck off.

>”no you don’t understand, the “CalArts Style” only exists because studios want shows that look like that”
>”creators actually have more diverse art styles in their skillset/portfolio”
>the “super talented” creators when the studio is a non-issue and they have complete creative freedom:

Ever notice how it’s always the people from the Animation Industry who make “pilot animatics” while the people outside the industry who never had a shot at employment are the ones who put actual effort in and make fully-animated shorts?

>>154452554
yeah, she unfortunately missed the medicated comfy show trend (a la Bee & Puppycat or Summercamp Island) by about 10 years.
This show feels uniquely "Brundige", but unfortunately there isn't a whole lot to hook the audience from the first episode unless you're really into cutesy stuff.

>autobiographical self-insert therapy crap about how the creator was the quirky foreign weird kid
>not a single cool thing any actual kid would like
Oh, my god. You people are the reason this industry is fucking dead, get new ideas. The indie scene isn’t perfect but it should be for people who actually have fun ideas who didn’t already blow up the entire fucking industry in California. You don’t get another shot, you blew it. Sorry.

>>154453899
because the people who actually work in the animation industry know how long and how expensive it is to actually animate a full pilot and they don't want to exploit their friends by asking them to do stuff for free or underpay them.
It's the ones who lack experience who are okay trying to coerce people into donating their time because they think that their own passion project should be everyone else's hobby too.

>>154452554
Her channel and this pilot make her look like a small time creator when she is definitely not.

>>154451393
This is old and clearly marketed to kids. It's not lore shit the way /co/ likes.

>>154454214
>This is old
the "pilot" animatic came out just a few months ago. It's not brand new, but I wouldn't say it's old.

>>154451393
This feels like the perfect cartoon for those weird mid girls who like punk music but look normal and old woman things like knitting
>>154454307
pretty sure he means the show concept since many of these people in the industry have a show idea and sometimes take decades to attempt to make it work

>>154451393
Ok.
So?
Where's your pilot, OP?

>>154454017
>The indie scene isn’t perfect but it should be for people who actually have fun ideas
The indie scene is for people who actually have the wherewithal to see their ideas through. Anyone can do it. Most people won't. You're complaining that other people aren't making stuff the way you wish it was made instead of being the person that just does the thing the way they think it should be done.
And because of that, you're going to keep waiting and keep being disappointed. Emily made what she wanted to make. If you want to see something different, it's time to get to work.

>>154454955
Except as Chimptopia just illustrated someone who leans conservative will be socially shot down in their animation career by industry folk. (And yes, making fun of the competition is ALSO a conservative thing, that’s why they hate hugboxes.) Even if you survive that salvo how are you going to get a full show without the established artists and community? You’re signing up for chipping away for a long time.

Don’t get smug like your community isn’t set up for the exclusive benefit of quirky tumblr aesthetic manchild stuff like this.

>>154454955
> Emily made what she wanted to make
And did she, though? Did she spend her whole life desiring the Tumblr aesthetic with obvious Adventure Time inspiration?? Or did she conform and make what was hip in animation groups who all just LOVE this exact kind of predictable thing while kids have no interest?

When I was a literal toddler I thought being a reptilian kaiju was cool and so I made one manifested out of my personality. I don’t care if this post-Tumblr crowd will tolerate it (it’s blatantly Christian in nature)

>>154454307
Old as in typically the guy that makes these indie threads talk about recently released pilots instead of ones from last year.
>>154454955
This, a lot of people can claim to have a million ideas. But it's a ton of fucking work to even make a storyboard, let alone an animation. Its easy to complain from the sidelines and boast about your hypothetical concepts on 4chan. Doesn't mean shit if it doesn't amount to something being made, like the guy that made the backrooms copypasta and Kane Pixels actually making use of it. "If you want something, do it yourself" is the backbone of the indie scene.

>>154455264
No retard without the Backrooms creepypasta you wouldn’t have any other Backrooms content. It was like a seed.

You have the same morality as execs who left Jack Kirby in tears at the end of his life but I’m sure you identify as some kind of socialist who loves unions

>>154453899
Because they’re courting investors for an industry deal with a MVP, not trying to solo produce independent cartoons and build their own business. Different purpose = different product.

>>154455680
I don't blame them. Going indie sucks ass.

Why do western animators like this aesthetic? Why has it been infecting shit for 15+ years at this point?

>>154456114
Why do anime faces tend to look the same?

>>154455294
>Guy calling someone else retarded
Lmao ok sure. If no one created backrooms films, that idea seed would have died out faster and would not have become a cornerstone of the Internet. But whatever you need to tell yourself as to why you'll keep bitching on 4chan about the state of the industry instead of being the change yourself
>>154455680
What indie show ISNT courting investors? Because I would say every single one isn't interested in building a studio from the ground up but rather a temporary team to make a pilot and then getting greenlit elsewhere. People will bitch about indie projects selling out but the pipe dream for all of these indie projects is to get picked up by a big studio and making it to the mainstream. I've seen too many people bog down Glitch for a chance of a greenlight. Animatics are cheaper and faster but I think only Kiana landed a deal with a studio for hers.

>>154456326
I'd question the basis of that, but in general, people like anime art styles. I can't imagine anyone under 24 thinking bean mouth is good.

>>154456402
given the amount of fan art that shows like Gravity Falls generates and the number of people who draw like that of their own accord, I can imagine quite a few people like the style.
It's pretty similar to chibi style anime anyway

>>154456460
>shows like Gravity Falls

Nigger that show's 14 years old. What year do you think it is? Fucking last episode aired 10 years ago.

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>>154455264
>it's a ton of fucking work to even make a storyboard
not when you see what counts as a professional storyboard

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>>154456382
You’re like a child trying and failing to reason and fit in. The Backrooms has always been huge, certainly before the film, you’re hiding your meltdown about being criticized accurately behind newfag nonsense
> being the change yourself
Buddy the change im currently being is changing a family member’s house to not be a dump. You’re eager to be a burden on a poor person while have 0 enthusiasm to criticize your peers about anything.

Sending this post to your peers.

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>>154451393
Cute cartoon, but not even Mercury Filmworks could save those designs

>>154451393
Neat!

>>154451393
Got anything that isn't gay?

>>154455035
>conservative will be socially shot down in their animation career by industry folk
good
there's enough israelis and their shills in entertainment industry

>>154456382
>What indie show ISNT courting investors?
The ones that are either just making a short for its own sake (most of the non industry artists on Youtube) or trying to run a startup (people like Glitch) like I said

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>>154451393
Their kickstarter was successful, so there will be a second episode coming up eventually.

>>154455035
It probably didn't help that all the humor from Chimptopia that we've seen so far falls completely flat and the characters themselves are seem pretty generic.

>>154460979
I still don't get why they insist on framing this solely as "they don't like the series conservative/Democratic approach or the creator's political stance."

I mean, there’s plenty of crap out there making money while being either Democratic or conservative, you know? If this crap isn't making money, it’s not because of that; it’s because it’s insipid garbage, as boring as the worst episode of modern Simpsons or Family Guy

>>154456489
And yet the art style perseveres. Thanks for proving my point

>>154460696
Most of those “shorts for their own sake” are actually hoping to be picked up.
There are no “startups” aside from Glitch and maybe Spindlehorse.

>>154461820
It's still a shitty art style tb.h

>>154461835
You think I’m talking about the kind of shorts you have in mind, but actually, the majority of animated shorts are made with the intention of making that particular short.

>>154453899
That's actually smart, though
Half the problem is that newbies will bite off more than they can chew with fully animated 30 minute pilots

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>>154460979
Good on them, but I really don't see much longevity for an indie web series that needs to crowdfund every single episode, especially for one as relatively inoffensive and obscure as Strawberry Vampire. I'm not sure how much longer Brundige can keep this going...

>>154461867
This is specifically about videos with the word PILOT in the title. Animated skits exist but PILOT videos are their own different breed. These types crowdfund with tens of thousands of dollars, the higher ones racking up 500k. Animated shorts don't have those kinds of kickstarter campaigns with the creators doing a bunch of advertising to get the funds. There is an increasing amount of pilots that have these 100k kickstarters. These types absolutely want to attract a studio for future funding. If Amazon came knocking, these indie types would never look back

>>154461855
you dislike it, but my point is that it has a fanbase just as anime has people who both hate it as well as people who love it.

This whole revisionism of monsters just being quirky and cool just like us is so gay. Vampires just drink red stuff they don't need to hunt and kill humans like sport. Let monsters and demons be biologically predisposed to "evil".

>>154462891
But anime is an entire medium and there are people that like some anime art styles while disliking the other.
> that it has a fanbase
Even outside of /co/ most people seem to dislike calarts, you might talk about fanart but 90% of fanart made for these shows is off model as if the fans themselves hate it.

>>154462915
we're not going to get anywhere in this argument so we'll have to agree to disagree.

>>154462925
But it's a pretty verifiable fact. With which part of my posts do you disagree? The fanart one?

>>154457246
yeah, some storyboards can be super rudimentary. You can even draw stick figures so long as it aptly communicates the blocking of the shot, framing of all the assets, and action. They also need to be able to be done relatively quickly since each scene may have to be redone several times. Spending the time to make detailed drawings on the initial storyboards is just a waste of time and money.

That said, there are multiple phases of storyboards. This is the most basic form, but once the basic flow is mapped out and approved, there's a good chance more interstitial drawings would have been inserted, the drawings would have been revised and cleaned, and by the time it went to the animators, everything (including the pacing of how quickly finn sits up) would be incredibly clear. These days animatics are so detailed that they basically end up being rough animation which has been a point of contention in the last animation strike.

In the case of animatic pilots, the drawings would be closer to this final form since the drawings need to be able to convey the story and action to the audience who may not be able to fill in the gaps like an animator would.

So yes...professional storyboards in the early phases can be very rudimentary, but the type of storyboard that would get released as a final product to the public would still end up being a fuckload of work.

>>154462334
>There is an increasing amount of pilots that have these 100k kickstarters.
Like I said, you have a specific kind of guy in mind and I’m focused on what everyone else is doing. At this point no putting pilot in the title does not mean everyone wants a traditional pickup or is strategizing for a full budget TV staff kickstarter. It means they are watching those projects titled pilot and inspired to make their own. It can even mean they do hope to make a series of shorts at the same scale and want slightly more support on their patreon page.

>>154463076
Predictable wordy excuses, but anybody can just compare past generations of storyboards to today’s

You can also notice how classic Disney storyboarders, etc, did beautiful illustrations while many recent storyboarders literally only draw a blob doodle style

You speak with a worthless animation education
>>154461073
Bruh you could say that about this pilot but a “THAT’S MEAN” thought terminating cliche would trigger in your mind

Newbie animators should be supported so they can become accomplished veteran animators instead of elynched for a typical boy’s joke.

>>154462945
I kind of don't want to spend all day bickering about this. Broad strokes (and I won't be following up on this), sure anime is a medium but there TENDS to be similarities in the style so much so that that you can usually know it when you see it and there are also pedantic arguments as to what is and isn't anime (eg, stuff that apes the exact "style" but is not from Japan). You can certainly find examples of anime that bucks the trend of the stereotypical "anime face", and even find variations in said "anime face" itself, but then again if you want to get granular about it, you can find an immense amount of variance in the cartoons that anons lump in as "beanface". Strawberry Vampire wouldn't get confused for Gravity Falls which wouldn't get confused with The Doomies.
>Even outside of /co/ most people seem to dislike calarts
You have a sense of confirmation bias. You'll find people complaining about "CalArts" (which is a retarded term for the style since it has nothing to do with the school), but the people who like the style of a show that arguably has those traits won't refer to it as CalArts as it's typically only used pejoratively. As such, if you see people talking about "the CalArts style", it's almost always going to be in the negative just as you'd expect if you searched for people talking about "anime face". It's a reductive way to describe something. You'll be more likely to find people talking about how much they like the style of a specific show or artist. Just as you said with anime:
>there are people that like some anime art styles while disliking the other

>90% of fanart made for these shows is off model as if the fans themselves hate it
maybe if you're talking about porn. Horny artists will tend to inflate the characters like balloons, but you'll notice the types of things that critics of the style will complain about (beanmouth, etc) are the parts that those off model drawings tend to get right.

>>154463387
Well I disagree because anime has a lot of fucking art styles , some studios tend to have similar looking stuff. There are a lot of counter example and the fact is that different artists draw differently, from example Akio Watanabe draws characters completely different compared different to Yoshitaka Amano and usually people have a preference to one or the other. I find your comparison with calarts stupid because usually people that dislike anime in general tend to just don't care about cartoons because those that care about cartoons at some point in life have also watched anime that aired on tv and that looked exactly like western cartoons(for example world masterpiece theatre or fairy tales). You should have compared calarats to let's say a1 studio sameface or something like that instead of a whole medium.
> The Doomies.
bullshit, the doomies is not calarts. People who called it that way are retarded.
I can see your point regarding negative attention but even for the shows in particular, gravity falls seems to be the only liked from the beginning to the end.
>maybe if you're talking about porn
I've seen plenty of non-porn art on /co/ that changed the characters but maybe I should look for more.

>>154463387
>are the parts that those off model drawings tend to get right.
Nah lot of porn removes the noddle limbs and adds more shading for the faces

>>154453738
rude

>>154463254
>Newbie animators should be supported
Oh, absolutely
But there’s just one problem: when you’re an asshole who’s been on the internet for YEARS working on the internet you really ought to know what to expect.

Even if you were working with Fox, Disney, CN, or Nick, why the hell would your first move, not even in the actual episode, but in the fucking presentation of your show to the executives and producers, be to act like an imbecile and insult another show or creator and their premise?

>Hello, people whose money and airtime I want: let me present my show. It’s better than the stupid crap you’ve already approved and the viewers support, so now, support my show, or are you stupid? Why give more money to Genndy Tartakovsky or invest in another spin-off or revival of shows that already work? You'd be better off giving it to me; I actually know what I'm doing with my "SpongeBob knockoff."

>>154451393
I am so sick of this artstyle

>>154454017
>get new ideas
I have not seen a single anon come up with any ideas that aren't essentially a minor spin on something that already exists.

>>154464627
Because that’s what a conservative normal guy does.
Have you ever been in an environment that isn’t effeminate? Men dunk on each other all the time. You aren't open to conservative artists if you expect to leave that out, and equate liberal Protestantism with Christianity to feel justified, since it prioritizes being “nice”, but prot Boomers raised woke kids for a reason.

And you, as a “nice person”, turn a blind eye to your peers demanding servitude from me in poverty.
>>154465237
You can simply read my stories to be instantly proven wrong. You don't want to see.

>>154461820
How many young people draw in it? Back in the early to mid 2010s, you'd find tons of people on tumblr emulating some variant of it. But what about now? I don't see it. It's a thing adopted by elder zoomers and younger millennials. No 14 year old willingly and purposefully draws in bean mouth now.

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>>154451393
CUTE but the accent is fucking shit and they should drop that.

>strawbania
>sour grumpires
this shit is so wholesome. very novel for indieslop I sure hope it doesn't turn into ghastly existential horror bullshit.

>>154455035
>Except as Chimptopia just illustrated someone who leans conservative will be socially shot down in their animation career by industry folk
good. keep politics out of my left-leaning industry

>>154463076
I like how the storyboards from Dreamworks films look nothing like the finished film

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>>154466958
>MC's voice is hard to get into
>is voiced by the creator
Every time... This is one of the better cases tho, at least her line-reading isn't flat like some writers-turned-VAs

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>>154453981
>Bee & Puppycat
It's been over 10 years and I'm still pissed they dropped the incredible pilot art style for that retarded Steven Universe ripoff shit

>>154467609
Storyboards in film change A LOT. The production pace is a lot slower than TV so each scene goes through several drafts. It's another reason to not be so precious about the drawings. Like 80% of what you storyboard for a feature film will be trashed anyway.

>>154468839
She's cute.

>>154468963
The pilot was great. The 1st time they did the series the art was not as good as the pilot, but still better than when they redid it and completely scrubbed any sense of character from it.
I wonder why they did that? Had enough time passed that Natasha started second guessing everything? Was there a rights issue since the show kind of bounced around in network hell for awhile?

>>154451393
Is the vampire a boy or a girl?
This is very important.

>>154468963
What's Nat up to nowadays?

>>154471493
She lives in Brooklyn. She does graffiti of bunny rabbits. She seems to struggle with money a lot and occasionally overshares about being on fet life. She doesn't disclose anything lurid, but she's talked enough about it that it's pretty obvious she's looking for dates and/or hookups on the fetish website.

>>154469884
girl. It's based on the creator >>154468839

>>154451393
You *can* judge a book by it's cover. This one is arse.

>>154465350
>Have you ever been in an environment that isn’t effeminate?

Have you ever been in a remotely professional work environment?
Do you really think assholes like Trey Parker, Matt Stone, Stephen Hillenburg, or even Tartakovsky showed up at the office with a "macho" attitude to land the chance to develop their series?

>>154451393
Nwehehe