Just caught up to it by watching season 8 as well and I just think the show feels really weird now? Don't think it's been that good for a long while but it feels really off now for some reason, but I can't quite put my finger on it. I know Roiland is gone and all.
It’s definitely reached zombie era
>>154461326>I know Roiland is gone and all.Roiland stopped writing for the show in Season 3
>>154461326The season 5 finale really pissed me off by revealing the thing about Rick Prime killing C-137 Beth and Diane was real all along. When that backstory was first brought up, it was explicitly fake and had to be fake, meaning it was impossible for it to be Rick's real backstory.They could have done literally anything because of how vague it was and they literally chose to make it the one thing it simply could not have been. If they wanted to use that backstory down the line, then they shouldn't have made it clear it was fake. The literal joke answer from the episode that first brought it up, that he actually wanted to find a reality where McDonald's Mulan promotional McNugget sauce was still on the menu, actually makes more sense.
>>154461326>it feels really off now for some reason, but I can't quite put my finger on itI've known a feeling like this before, with Disenchantment. Things were happening in the show, some jokes and all yet it seemed bland and unflattering. In that show's case contrasting with the previous Groening work which had a different theme but was a fun watch, Futurama.There the reason was obvious and some anons pointed out when it was airing, Futurama was clearly made by people who were scifi lovers and nerds, whereas Disenchantment didnt seem to have people with a similar love for medieval fantasy and its tropes.Its probably the same here, R&M being written by people who dont have passion for what theyre making. Essentially phoning it in.
>>154462073Think of it this way: what has the new season of Rick and Morty actually parodied? The first seasons were full of obvious parodies, like the purge or lawnmower man. But in these season its all about Rick and Morty's own lore, general scifi plots of their own imagining, and a surprisingly high concentration of time-filling big scifi battle scenes. Like, I think there is genuinely more screentime spent fighting in this season of Rick and Morty than there was in the last season of Invincible. Point is that the show has drifted away from its parody based roots, leaving it sort of aimless and adrift. Its more rick and morty, but its not *about* anything aside from its own perpetuation as a show.
>>154462174I've heard the reason why Rick feels so aimless is because doesn't have anything to chase anymore. No more Rick Prime, Evil Morty in Time Jail until he inevitably breaks out, no Memory Rick, no Federation and Dr. Wong is gone so no therapy, so he's got nothing. That's why he's a massive drunk again.Also you can kind of tell they're scraping the bottom of the barrel for sci-fi movies to parody and reference because they've done them all already.
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>>154461326It feels insincere when Rick's new VA tries to recreate Roiland's zany 4th-wall-breaking energy, like pointing out they couldn't use the Looney Tunes theme. Most of his improv moments were likely still scripted, but the meta humor falls flat when the show won't even acknowledge the voice change.
>>154461326AgreedThe second, fourth and sixth episodes are too similar in that they explore mind control/memory erasure and rick fighting with himself>>154463082Dr, Wong is still around, no?
>>154461326......is he doing what i think he is doing.....
>>154461326the show got boring a long time ago, that episode with the dragon was when it jumped the shark. If you ever listen to the behind the scenes with the writers and producers you can tell they love jerking themselves off, the smug meter in the writers room must be off the charts..
>>154463082That is odd to think about given the plot development from evil morty basically screamed>rick used to be the smartest/strongest in whichever universe he went to, but that is no longer the case, someone equivalent or superior could show up now that the finite central curve barrier is brokenAnd even teased it again this season with The Collective yet not much more was done with that
Am I the only one who enjoys newer R&M more than older? The first few seasons had this icky mean undertone, I can't put my finger on it but it was offputting
>>154464728I like this new season more than i like the later seasons after season 3 :)Laughing my ass off at the ongoing joke of Rick producing hanna barbera library sound effects.I personally enjoy more because its pretty much 99% less cynical and they actually play and enjoy doing the tropes and parodies.
I rewatched the episode with the Memory Parasites again, were the parasites supposed to be kinda weak and defenseless? I mean it, were the parasites incapable of harming or overpowering others as part of the story?If you pay attention, before Morty figures it out, none of the parasites tries to overpower the real people despite outnumbering them rather quickly. Frankenstein does manage to take Rick's gun and several others hold him down but any move to seriously hurt him comes in the form of trying to trick Morty into killing him, implying this is something they can't do by themselves. Then when Morty figures it out, the Duckman don't even try to defend himself beyond trying to bullshit some more. The refrigerator just tries to flee and when all the real people are have been figured out and given guns, none of the parasites even attempt to properly defend themselves and just try to hide.So, were they capable of defending themselves beyond tricking real people?
>>154464728>Am I the only one who enjoys newer R&M more than older?Yes. Please acquire taste.
>>154464306Didn't Wong get involved with Rick's personal relationships which as far as I know is not allowed as a therapist? The episode was forgettable other than Unity's tits.
>>154464728It is kind of icky for your drunk abusive father in law to move into your house and belittle you. Also his sci fi shenanigans lost you your job
>>154466614I see, I suppose Rick would feel that was too far and decide to no longer see Dr. Wong.
>>154465288They breed with flashbacks and memories. Killing their hosts would be counter-productive. Evolutionarily speaking, with the rate at which they multiply its actually better for them to have any parasites that get discovered die and the better liars survive, because you can replace any dead parasites with new ones in a matter of minutes. As long as at least one parasite survives its just a minor setback.
>>154465288I got the sense they were mimicking sentience but weren’t actually sentient, meaning it is not in their nature to fight back because the instinct is just to hide and reproduce
>>154464728Uh, yeah? Not in a literal sense, I'm sure someone else also thinks the newer episodes are better, but the general consensus here is that the show has clearly declined in general quality.Rick bailing on the first main universe in season 1 because he fucked up the planet so badly he didn't know how to fix it makes sense if you assume there really isn't anything special about that reality to him, when he's revealed to have been living there to anticipate the native version showing up so he can take revenge it doesn't really, it's just a sloppy attempt at an overarching story at that point. You can raise the stakes and create a more well connected plot without forcing connections that make no sense.It has also gotten a bit weird with the characterisation of the main characters. Rick in particular is a bit weird because they don't seem like they know how to really square the sympathetic elements of the character with the horrific things he does, this season alone had him help Morty out with the arrogant Kung Fu guy seemingly out of the goodness of his heart and the next he exterminates a planet of pigs because they can't be relied on to make vodka for him anymore. Morty is even simpler to explain, it's kind of hard to keep him as a relative moral center when he has committed murder multiple times by now, it's not even like the Purge episode where the first one was mostly an accident and the rest were spurred on by extreme frustration, by now he has literally committed numerous cop killings because of a vague vision of dying with Jessica and that was just one of several instances of deliberately killing people for bad reasons. Then there is Jerry who they seems to have lost track of and now seem to think we're meant to like because he's pathetic and not actively malicious, even though the point of the character was that you don't need to do terrible things to be a bad person, sometimes all it takes is prioritizing your own comfort over others.
Why are they making a spin-off starring President Inferiority Complex again? Like isn't the entire joke about him that thinks being the US president should make him the most powerful man in the world but Rick's intellect/tech makes the entire US army seem like nothing and Rick doesn't need approval ratings to keep his power, which just makes him feel insecure in what is still otherwise a pretty powerful position? Is it because they don't have to pay Roiland royalties if they don't use characters he created?
>>154467006>even though the point of the character was that you don't need to do terrible things to be a bad person, sometimes all it takes is prioritizing your own comfort over others.That's not inherently a bad and I'm sick and tired of pretending like it is. People have limits for how much they're going to sacrifice for others, especially if it becomes clearly one sided. The people who are against this demand endless moral purity from people who've hot their wits end.Jerry was already a bad example of this from the beginning to use for this, as everyone else did the exact same thing they accuse him of-prioritizing themselves and their comfort over others feelings, Rick and Beth especially.>>154467297Because the main cast has hit a standstill in terms of stakes. Rick can bail them out of anything at this point and they don't even try to pretend their familial, financial, or social lives have true stakes at this point. The only time they are ever on the backfoot is if Morty overextends trust and Rick deliberately fucks up due to arrogance or underestimating the situation, like the previous two episodes have shown. It gets repetitive, and the fact the show barely invests in Earth as a setting anymore doesn't help.
Rate Season 9 so far retards(the best episode is erickerhead and if you disagree you're wrong)
One apsect of Rick's character that I think isn't touched on as much that I like is how Rick's mere presence around people corrupts them, in a way. One could argue the Smith's were already fucked and Rick brought what was already there, but it was a missed opportunity with Ted and his friends because it felt like it went by really fast. I'm not asking for them to be mini-Rick's like in the middle seasons though.
>>154462174>what has the new season of Rick and Morty actually parodied?Kill Bill and maybe hokuto or some bruce lee stuffit's still weak
>>154461866>When that backstory was first brought up, it was explicitly fake and had to be fake, meaning it was impossible for it to be Rick's real backstory.It didn't have to be fake. This conclusion was based on the Federation's obviously wrong assumptions about what Rick could or couldn't do within the brainalyzer, and Rick's claim (read: lie) that the story wasn't real. If you can't alter memories then how would Rick have had Jerry fold himself and how would Rick and the agent have stopped at at McDonalds to get fast food? Unalterable memoryscape would have just forced Rick into static reliving of the memories, not allowed for him to talk to the federation agent or go around doing shit.
>>154467578"There's Something About Morty" is OK but is a bit weird about Evil Morty."Ricks Days, Seven Nights" is good."Rick Fu Hustle" sucks dick."A Ricker Runs Through It" is almost good but has a weird premise."Jer Bud" is not that good but I like the commentary on dog breeding."Erickerhead" is good but the premise would probably have been better if it had been produced in an earlier season.
>>154464728>The first few seasons had this icky mean undertonethat's the fucking point anon
>>154461326Its better now, the best it has been for a long time. >>154462174Its good for a show to gain its own identity rather than mindlessly parodying. >>154463082This is true. We are in the phase that many seem to dislike while it is airing but look back fondly at once the story is over. I enjoy the slice of life we are getting. I am sure they will create a new big bad at some point. >>154464728You are a fag but I mostly concur. Season's 2 and 3 were the worst R&M ever was. Roiland leaving saved the show.
It's literally the best it's ever been, and I mean that unironically
>>154461326Is Jessica in this season?
>>154468336Didn't they kinda write her out in the Nimbus episode? Like, I know she still gets cameos but I don't think she has had any even semi-important roles since.
>>154468336Nope, we all are waiting for c131 time goddess jessica to show up and save the smiths.
>>154468423Kari’s teenage gril voice is very cute. Maybe I will just replay swtor.
>>154461326>but I can't quite put my finger on it. I know Roiland is gone and allIt's like they stopped trying to be funny. Keyword trying. Like you could call the last season and the one before bad, but at least there were jokes and gags. Here it feels like the amount is increasingly shrinking now and they're focusing more on character dynamics and development. But you're not alone in thinking that something is off. That's why people keep theorizing that Rick is going through some sort of relapse or that we've been seeing the memories of evil Morty since ep 2
>>154468423That is because parmesan jessica isnt c131 jessica, second there are no school plots anymore and prime morty seems to not like parmesan jessica, seeing that he is after every girl now after solaricks.
>>154468478>we've been seeing the memories of evil Morty since ep 2QRD?
>>154464728my favorite episode is the australian one where rick threatens morty with a gun and jerry is a shaman
>>154468504People feel like Rick has been drunker than usual, and I think it has something to do with the pool, and they came to the conclusion that the ballsack aliens are looking at Evil Morty's memories and his descent. It would have been interesting but that's been debunked
>>154467859>This conclusion was based on the Federation's obviously wrong assumptions about what Rick could or couldn't do within the brainalyzerRick literally agreed with the operative on this, and that Shoney's memory wasn't a memory it was a fantasy.
>>154468478It is impossible to be Evil Morty, second, Rick has no one to challenge him, and he also fulfilled his double vengeance against prime rick, the space fed, evil morty and even drug dealers.He is now on a self made prison for himself where only his family and mainly morty are left, even his friends are gone, the only thing left now is the sauce or discover that his diane and beth are alive because Prime Rick was into time traveling stuff and knew how to evade the time-space testicles.
>>154468542Evil Morty snapped even before pilot, rick knew of him.
>>154467539Remember the start of season 3 when Jerry was happily working for the Gromflomites, not understand what the job really was or noticing that the family hated what they were doing to the world and just being happy that he was comfortable? That's what makes Jerry a shitty person, he only cares about anyone but himself if it can help him get more comfortable and when he is then other people are completely unimportant.The Pluto episode is another example of this, he wasn't comfortable that his education was outdated and instead of just accepting he was out of the loop and needed correcting himself, he just doubled down on his ignorance. Which lead to the Plutonians getting him to keep declaring the wrong information repeatedly, even though remaining ignorant was literally hurting them and it took an absurd amount of revelations for him to finally do the right thing.I'll agree that if, let's say you need to sacrifice your penis to save the life of someone else when a much better option always existed and you were just kept ignorant of that for no reason, then there are instances when sacrificing for others isn't really worth it. The problem is that most of Jerry's problems are really petty and don't really qualify as something requiring sacrifice to solve.>Beth: Jerry, do you want homeless people to have homes?>Jerry: Yes.>Beth: Are you gonna build them?>Jerry: No.>Beth: Then what good was the "yes"?
>>154468542OK, so assuming the episodes since the season 9 premiere have been Evil Morty prequels, then:>"Evil" Rick wiped his memories and became a somewhat better person only to end up a drunk again which had nothing to do with Morty.>Evil Morty was thought of by Rick as his "little boopa" and was helped out with his Kung Fu problem while Jerry was fucking a pool cleaner robot.>Evil Morty was used as part of a password managing system and told he was doomed to become an alcoholic too.>Evil morty saw his dog become an even worse version of dog breeders and tried to take him down before reconciling while his dad got a new job.>Evil Morty hung out with Rick's severed head and was forced to partake in a swimming competition to learn the value of pigging out.I don't know. Maybe the Password Manager episode and the Dog World episode work as prequels to Evil Morty, but the rest are a stretch. I don't see what about the Kung Fu episode leads to Evil Morty and the Ted episode clearly focuses on the wrong character (unless they want us to empathise more with the puppeteered Rick?). The only thing about the severed head episode I can see leading to Evil Morty was the part where Rick considered taking Morty's body for his own but the ultimate message and what Morty does at the end seems to clash with Evil Morty's character arc.And the two that kinda works still raises some questions, like did the first Snuffles episode turn out the same in Evil Morty's world?
>>154467297The President has remained President despite betraying the entire USA and dooming the Earth.(and then betraying Humanity)He isn't losing his power over approval. He is basically a despot for life who can get away with doing basically anything he wants. Nobody seems to hold him accountable.
>>154461326Just watched the latest ep. When Rick sang "stomach that is new"...was that to the tune of "Moon River"?
>>154468853>the start of season 3 when Jerry was happily working for the Gromflomites, not understand what the job really was or noticing that the family hated what they were doing to the world and just being happy that he was comfortable? That's what makes Jerry a shitty person,They never told him what his job even was nor anyone else for that matter. Without Rick, they can't really investigate either. Plus, why should he care? Rick was objectively bad for them at this point, and it's not like Jerry can calm their worries with a Federation bot in their house, especially given they employed him.>he only cares about anyone but himself if it can help him get more comfortable and when he is then other people are completely unimportant.Again. There is nothing incriminating about this when all the other main characters do this at a far higher rate. You have like, two major examples. Everybody else in the cast has done far more than this and with much less hesitation. You cannot fault Jerry for something the whole cast treats as normal until he does it, otherwise, it's just selective outrage simply because you don't like the character. When everyone else puts their happiness above his, and on a far more consistent basis we're supposed to ignore that? That's the problem with having a cast where nobody tries to be remotely decent. Shitting on anyone for being selfish doesn't make sense unless it's merely to punch down on the obvious weak link, which is always the point.>even though remaining ignorant was literally hurting them and it took an absurd amount of revelations for him to finally do the right thing.And when he did that, they booed him and literally tossed him away because he became politically inconvenient, so does it really matter that he tried at all?And with that Beth scene you posted, you can justify a lot of things one would call heinous with it if you took what Beth was getting at to heart... and it completely ruins your own point about Jerry.
>>154469064Kung fu episode would explain some of Evil Morties fighting abilities, considering he has nano machines on the same level as Rick's inside of him for fighting purposes. I admit its incredibly shallow of a connection.
>>154469300>Nobody seems to hold him accountable.Have you forgotten what show you are watching? Than again, based on the similar-ish filenames from some posts, you're likely that autistic samefag who lurks in RnM threads to suck off the show and simp for Rick.
Where's her fan art?
>>154470279Anon, the only fanartists left that still care about this show are Fujos.
>>154462073>>154462174Harmond said he admired (zombie) Simpsons and the birds have come home to roost; the show is passionless, lazy, and endlessly self-referntial with no real cleverness.
>>154464728>The first few seasons had this icky mean undertonewhile the show could be me*n sp*r*ted early on most of the time Rick still genuinely loves Morty and his family which kind of balanced it out
>There's Something About Morty lame evil morty jingle keys episode. like 3/10>Ricks Days, Seven Nightsactually really liked this one, which surprised me. i like that it gets right into it and has a cool premise that isnt just action which this season likes to focus on a lot 8/10>Rick Fu Hustlei actually kind of liked this one when they were doing all their kung fu moves and shit but admittedly it is a very strange episode and not noteworthy 5/10>A Ricker Runs Through Itanother cool concept, enjoyed it. 7/10>Jer Budwas eating while watching this episode and correctly called that the episode would be majority body horror mup stuff and did not like it. it was kind of funny seeing jerry fuck the pool bot but that's it 4/10>Erickerheadcontinuing a running theme of doing cool scifi shit with rick. very cool concept but some of it just falls a little flat for me. the writing just feels off in a way i can't put my finger on 6/10
>>154461326personally I like these new episodes because it was before we had serious lore and other retardation. rick and morty works best when they go to silly adventures.
>>154471073You got the subplot mixed up. Jer Bud's subplot was the worms. Rick Fu Hustle is the one with the pool cleaner.
>>154471210surprisingly i dont think this changes my ratings
We're coming on four whole seasons since any mention of him, so I must ask: Were they actually ever teeing up additional lore here, or is the "joke" that there WAS no setup to begin with? That Rick just had a past buddy/servant with no greater relevance than his name being something as mundane as Kyle?
>>154461866The Rickshank Redemption was made when the original writing team that understood the original formula was intact, and they were smart enough to know that retconning Rick out of being responsible for leaving his family (and implying that he was a perfect husband and father up until the incident) was exactly the kind of stupid cliché that the show existed to subvert, and that it would irreparably damage Rick and Beth as characters. Rick abandoning his family was the only bad thing he'd done that had permanent consequences on the show, and now it's gone for the sake of the most unoriginal revenge plot against the most unoriginal recurring villain in the series. This retcon for me was the moment that the overarching narrative of the series went from messy but acceptable to completely unsatisfying.Ending Unmortricken with a remake of Rick Potion No. 9's ending is an admission that the crew doesn't know why the latter worked so well. RPN9 subverted our expectations that Rick and Morty could always fix everything by having them escape from their mess in a horrifying way that was both out of left field and unique to this show, and it forever changed the way we understood the characters and universe, and forced them to deal with the weight of Rick and Morty's misdeeds that they would normally just laugh off. By comparison, Unmortricken's ending was the culmination of a completely predictable plot thread made up entirely of overused cliché's being played completely straight, all to whitewash the only misdeed of Rick that held permanent weight throughout the series. The Rickshank Redemption's ending was IMO the closest that the series got to recapturing the spirit of RPN9's ending, but most of the writers might not get that since the message was wrapped in a wacky rant instead of a sad indie song. I don't think any of the "sad indie song" episode endings capture the essence of RPN9's ending, but the writers might think otherwise.(continuing in next post)
>>154461866>>154472342Using the Omega Device to make Diane infinitely dead was the final nail in the coffin. It metaphorically turned her into just as much of a machine that exists to serve Rick's needs as the AIs he builds with her voice. Now her entire role in the narrative is being his perfect ideal wife who can't ever appear in the infinite multiverse in a form that could possibly displease him. /rant
How fucking tricked out is Rick's body?? It's like only 20% meat, apparently
>>154472354It's ok they'll bring her back when people finally stop giving a fuck about this garbage and they need more attention hooks now that Prime is dead, Evil Morty is in prison, and the Federation is pacified.
>>154472342Rick Potion No. 9, while a great episode that had a huge impact, also kind of completely fucked the entire show from that point onward in ways the writers and the viewers wouldn't be able to see for years after the fact imo.>I don't think any of the "sad indie song" episode endings capture the essence of RPN9's endingAuto Erotic Assimilation comes close too. You can't beat Rick getting so miserably drunk after Unity dumped him that he almost kills himself. That's why I don't really care for the Ted shit in Ricks Days Seven Nights as much. They don't really matter because they're not from Earth and Rick can just wipe his hands of them without it mattering.
This season feels like they forgot how to do comedy at all so they're compensating with making every episode a bunch of action scenes. Like every single episode is just a bunch of action scenes.
>>154472568Auto Erotic Assimilation's ending might not've been expected, but it didn't subvert any tropes though. It was the beginning of the series prioritizing conventional emotional arcs over cleverness and originality.
