I didn't even finish the first episode when it came out. I'm pretty sure it's hyped by bots and gooners

>>154474112
The fandom. The show itself wasted a lot of time with therapy speak and surface level takes of Soma and I Have No Mouth & I Must Scream. But the fandom's behavior is what really turned people against it. Case in point, the TADC fandom going apeshit over the word "nega" that was said in a livestream over a decade ago.

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Because "they turned muh literally me rabbit into tranny waaaaaaaaaaa"

>>154474134
>Case in point, the TADC fandom going apeshit over the word "nega" that was said in a livestream over a decade ago.

Huh?

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>>154474112
Pressure release valve. There were always gripes, but there was the "It gets resolved eventually" excuse to keep detractors lurking in their audience at bay. The ending came, and it didn't deliver on nearly all of what people wanted.
Now, the TADC defenders are literally going down the route of saying that the fans who didn't like the ending only did so because they 'don't understand it' or 'missed the point'. Also, Gooseworx responds to criticism the same way Chris Chan does. So that's been quietly stoking resentment in tandem with the culture of forbidding any criticism in the fanbase.

>>154474112
From my experience it comes out to mostly 3 things, and people not wanting to give up on a community I see it happen to often that people get really groggy when shit ends these days and they refuse to move on.

1.-People wanted them to escape the circus, even when they were told the characters are just brain scans they still wanted to believe they could magically get out or something equally retarded.

2.- they wanted deepest lore on the company and the mystery then just got an status update on the circus residents learning to live their lives and Caine redemption.

3.- They either wanted Jax to be redeemed or to be punished harsher, people feel him abstracting off camera was cheap even though it fits with his behavior.

People were expecting to much from this shit, or were expecting a forever community with deep lore and bullshit so they react badly to it ending abruptly and in a good way to book end the story.

But if it came to this site fags are upset the movie wasn't 90 minutes of hardcore Ragatha sex while Jax sat on the cuck chair. What do I know they may be right for all I care.

intentionally attracting and fostering an audience of mentally ill, terminally online losers didn't turn out well for them? who could have seen that coming?

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>>154474112
It transitioned into failure with the finally.
>>154474143
Him being a tranny in the final episode is OOC.
Do not remember Jax as a tranny. Remember him as the guy who killed a tranny.

Ep. 9 and 7 were the worst of the bunch. Plot holes galore. No Bubble ending. They're all "mind-files" but Caine can't restore them to an earlier state. Hugging an abstraction somehow sends you to a magical mindscape where you can talk to them even tough there's no precedent for that (just an excuse to retcon Jax). And it lessens what it actually means to "abstract". Caine isn't actually deleted so all the episode 8 effort and drama meant nothing. Caine manages to magically get along and understand humans with no effort. The entire thing is a hackjob. If you watch the series with 9 and 7 cut out you'll be better off. Watch the fan theories if you're looking for endings.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RR9aYVAtog

>>154474112
>Why did everyone suddenly turn against TADC ?
It has one of the worst /co/ endings since Star Vs The Forces of Evil
That's a decade's worth of shows with better endings

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>>154474143
No I'm Kinger, plapping fat black ass while being extremely wise but usually insane.
I never watched this show by the way.

>>154474357
>They're all "mind-files" but Caine can't restore them to an earlier state. Hugging an abstraction somehow sends you to a magical mindscape where you can talk to them
Wouldn't this be like their data being corrupted and by hugging him she's basically looking into the remaining code?

>>154474112
A popular show needs to stick the landing, thing of GoT for example, it doesn't matter if it was good 80% of the time, if the ending is shit people will complain.

>Muh fandom
This is never a good criticism. This is definitively the shittiest reason to hate a peice of media, ever. It's never not hypocritical.
>I HATE the loud house, the fandom is awful!
>Why yes, I do love Gravity Falls, why do you ask?
And now it's come for TADC. Fan behavior is not a show's fault, it's like hating air because pedophiles breathe it too. Better suffocate then, faggot.

>>154474112
>How to Attract the Wrong Audience
Hire a castration cultist. The end.

>>154474513
>Fan behavior is not a show's fault
It is when its creator exemplifies some of the worst behavior imaginable on his own.

>>154474542
The creator isn't the show.

>>154474143
I didn’t identify with anyone and too be fair it was kinda a trap there was only 2 male charecters and until episode 3 one was just lol I’m crazy random. So your choices were funny dick bunny or crazy dad.

>>154474571
Who makes the show, genius?

>>154474118
>I'm pretty sure it's hyped by bots and gooners
On the money.

>>154474112
buy an ad

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The finale was just bad and retroactively made whatever little story this had worse, then there's the fanboys unironically treating this like a character study à la Evangelion/Moral Orel/Bojack which makes it all the more aggravating

>>154474112
I didn't have high hopes for it, cause 3 had a therapy session between kinger and pomni (it was nice but I knew that was what the rest of the series was going to be), I just watched it, went "oh okay" and moved on for the most part
I think the problem is that it's soooo merch heavy, I think you could buy Jax merch from day one and that's kind of a commitment that you're going to like this character till the end. Like if you bought Jax plushies because he was just a silly guy in episode 1 but he's a trans murderer at the finale what the fuck are you gonna do with that merch if you hate later season jax?
It did have my wife so that's enough for me

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>>154474701
Damn forgot pic
Also I forgot to add I think glitch banked too heavily on "deep moment" but if the audience can't relate to that there wasn't much else for them to like
I don't give a fuck about trans jax

>>154474652
>retroactively made whatever little story this had worse
Translation: you realized you were a sucker, roped in by botted views and a pseudo-intriguing premise wrapped in a YouTube Kids-pandering aesthetic.

>>154474595
>>154474118
mentally retarded

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>>154474759
But it was such a fun premise...

>>154474798
Wrong posts.
>>154474803
It's a retread of I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream, but for the modern audience.

>>154474851
NTA but Oh yeah I got tricked by the shorts showing caine torturing the cast and the fact the creator seems close to the oneyplays crew, so I was expecting mean spirited humor that doesn't take itself seriously, but like
>Ted kills himself so that ellen isn't left behind to AM's torture
>Jax kills himself because the situation is hopeless and everyone is better off without him

>>154474872
>I've listened to Ihnmaims a million times and I fucked it up
FUUUCK
>Ted kills ellen even through he's kinda a jerk so she doesn't have to suffer anymore

>>154474872
>Jax kills himself because he's the cult-propaganda character for what happens when a prospective cult member is "repressed" from starting the castration-as-transmogrification ritual
Fixed.

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>>154474872
>>154474891
Even funnier
>Ted never saves anyone, turns himself into the soft jelly thing and the others keep him in a doghouse while they hang out with post-lobotomy AM

>>154474112
It's because LoreTubers can no longer monetize it

>>154474112
It's coal!

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>>154474453
Well, from a plot perspective, nothing similar happened to Kinger, and he also touched his abstracted wife. More importantly, from a story perspective, it undermines what it means to abstract, and everything they've set up beforehand about abstraction. It's supposed to be an irreversible threshold. Do you think you get to talk to the "uncorupted" parts of insane people, people with dementia, people who've had brain damage? No, you don't. They are what they are, as a whole. TADC played it straight right until the final episode.

If there was enough of "Jax" left to have coherent conversations with and go trough all his memory and plot dumps just by hugging him, then they should have been able to undo that abstraction. But no, you wanna have your cake and eat it too. Jax goes abstract, insane, irreversible, past the threshold, but is still sane enough that a hug allows him to traumadump everything onto Pomny (it doesn't fit his character, in the final episode he's just Goose's self-insert, not Jax), and say to her: "Sorry, all the bad thing's I've done are because I secretly wanted to be a troon. Btw. it's too late now. Bye.". And then he continues to stay a monstrous abstracted blob. It doesn't work like that. Once your brain goes coco you won't have enough of it to give yourself an eulogy to your friends.

>>154475107
>castration cultists are incompetent writers
So nothing would be lost of they were all legally barred from any and all creative media. Good to know.

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>>154475191
>castration cultists are incompetent writers
That's just it. The early episodes are so much better than the ending. It baffles the mind how you can write something so good with so much potential and then fumble it up so completely.

>>154475279
>The early episodes are so much better
Then I won't waste time watching beyond the already-abysmal first half of the pilot that I already watched shortly after released.
>something so good with so much potential
Is that in the room with us now?

>>154475287
I'd recommend watching the first 3 at least.

>>154474710
I'm fucking your wife

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There's a superficial group who hated that it didn't answer every question about how the premise works and another group who hated that they were tricked into watching a group therapy session with abuser apologia.

>>154475279
>>154475309
you're talking to industrycuck

>>154474112
Because the direction they went in the last few episodes and the finale fucking sucked. If anything i dont see enough people online on other sites being critical enough over the finale

>>154475315
> it didn't answer every question about how the premise works
It did in episode 9 and it did it badly. Sometimes no answer is better than a shit answer.

>>154474112
>I thought it was the greatest success of the century
Still Hazbin lol

>>154475309
>I hated the pilot and couldn't watch more then half of it
>okay but watch six times that
Insane. You have no standards to call whatever happened in the last episode a "disappointment."
>>154475321
I've been called a lot of things, all of equal significance (none), and I'm still very sure that moniker originally applied to someone other than myself.

>>154475332
There are a lot of autistic anons who are demanding to know why and how a computer from the 90s still works and how there's still power in an abandoned building. The answer is "Caine magic" but they want spoonfeeding.

>>154475338
i have never heard anyone else use the word "oikophobic" in any situation, at all, ever.

>>154474112
>No, chud, this barely thought out show that doesn’t challenge anything is great actually
>you just need to be female-brained to get it
Fuck these pseudo intellectuals running everything

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>>154475338
>You have no standards to call whatever happened in the last episode a "disappointment."
>watching beyond the already-abysmal first half of the pilot
Alright. What made the first half of the pilot borderline unwatchable? Please enlighten me with your refined taste and standards. There's a difference between you personally not liking something and it being objectively bad.

>>154474112
>People see something popular
>Instantly assume it’s going to appeal to generic sensibilities with predictable, tried and true plot beats
>Gets mad when it tries literally anything different

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>>154475342
>autistic anons
>they don't get electric power for free
Sucks to be them.

>>154475332
>Sometimes no [series] is better than a shit [series]
Exactly. Remove and Memoryhole it.
>>154475352
I'm sorry your circle of internet buddies prefers to use its euphemism ("woke"), for whatever reason, but that doesn't prove a thing about me that I use its proper term. I'm fairly sure whoever you're talking about never used it either, if you go back far enough.
>>154475368
It's garish, annoying, overly-quirky garbage meant to rope in the mascot "horror" audience of children and retarded (excuse me, "autistic") adults, which is bad enough before you learn the creator is a castration cultist and is 100% doing it for a well-documented nefarious purpose.

>>154474112
>Creator is an autogynophile who inserts his fetishes into his show
>Fanbase is mostly made of literal kids and teens
>Tons of fandom infighting and drama
>Gooners that want to fuck the characters drawing off model and non-canon porn
>Making the main male character a reflection of the himself
>Finale leaked early
Gee, I wonder why it's hated. I hope Gameoverse isn't as bad as this.

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>>154474912
I want to take Abstrax for walkies!

>>154474134
Not even with the soma thing. The reveal came and went so fast that it literally amounted to nothing. It played absolutely no bearing on the plot or story.

>>154474112
>I thought it was the greatest success of the century
Yeah, fuck all that real-world progress we've made in the past hundred years, a cartoon show about trannies killing themselves was our greatest achievement

>>154475279
The early episodes were also pretty bad except for the animation

I will not pretend that random geeky fandom forums and a few artists at conventions are anything compared to a massive fucking micro-economy of merch scalping and art commissions.

I will not pretend that fan theory debates on those old forums were the same as the deliberate theory-bait landscape of today meant to drive up merch sales.

I am not, for the fucking life of me, going to talk about "toxic fandom a bloo bloo" until we can fucking talk about how fandom culture itself is now a consumerist hellscape of toxicity that has turned into everything Roger Ebert accused it of being in the 90s and then some.

Want proof of how retarded this has gotten?

I'll scream it again like a canary in a fucking coal mine.

I don't want to have this big stupid "toxic fandom" discussion until we can finally talk about how the landscape of fandom culture itself has changed to the point of bred toxicity.

I will not pretend that a few crazies sending angry letters to the studio over Keaton's casting is the same as both fandom and crew being subject to massive bouts of capslock and doxing over ships.

I will not pretend that random fan meet and greets and sci-fi convention appearances is the same as a hellscape of parasocial relationships where people freak out because a random VA liked their tweet. Hell, my dad got Burt Ward's autograph for free back in the 1970s.

I will not pretend that controversies over Jason Todd, Gwen Stacy, or Terra in the 1980s were worse than the SU fandom's regularly scheduled mental breakdown.

Star Trek had a fucking interracial kiss in the 1960s that had a documented calmer response than some of the culture war shit today if Nichols is to be believed. Actual segregationists reacted calmly in their letters.

Either fix the parasocial bullshit where everyone acts like fandoms are supposed to be big happy families and cast/crew are friends, or just stop blabbing about which particular fandom is le bad.

>>154475600
>toxic
>toxicity
>toxic
>toxicity
A solemn reminder that Jim was right.

>>154475680
If that's the word they're gonna use that's the word I'm gonna use. Because parasocial "notice me" bullshit and terminal fucking butthurt spreads like a toxin in current fandom culture

By the way I wasn't even being hyperbolic about the kiss
>There are no records of any public complaints about the scene.[17] Nichols observed that "Plato's Stepchildren", which first aired on November 22, 1968, "received a huge response. We received one of the largest batches of fan mail ever, all of it very positive, with many addressed to me from girls wondering how it felt to kiss Captain Kirk, and many to him from guys wondering the same thing about me. However, almost no one found the kiss offensive," except from a single mildly negative letter from one white Southerner who wrote: "I am totally opposed to the mixing of the races. However, any time a red-blooded American boy like Captain Kirk gets a beautiful dame in his arms that looks like Uhura, he ain't gonna fight it."

Can you imagine this in today's landscape? A fucking southern segregationist reacted calmer to an interracial kiss happening on one of the most popular shows of the time than the TADC fandom did to their "uwu damaged relatable" bunny dying.

One of the tensest political issues of the time had a calmer reaction from the opposite side than a current fandom does to something before we even get to the political element.


That is the level of gaping anal bleeding that modern fandoms have reached

>>154475312
>:(
Gangle is too pure for NTR content, she deserves hand holding and loving sex

>>154475732
>a cucked southerner who can't stand up for his principles against the progressive illness of the day
And today, the reaction is entirely in favor of the progressive illness, yes.

>>154475600
I will not read all of this.

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>>154475330
Even ignoring the plot because "it's just a set dressing maaan, it's totally like Eva", it's so underwhelming.
There are no emotional pay-offs, Pomni and Ragatha are suddenly best friends forever and hug dramatically for almost two minutes straight, Gangle and Zooble's entire arc and romance revolves around talking about Jax, Kinger has like 10 lines-half of them infodumping-and never interacts with Caine who redeems himself two seconds after getting deleted, they skip over the character drama of dealing with the brainscan reveal with a montage, Jax eats up the rest of the screentime, abstract off-screen because it's "realistic", we get his sob story and then he kills himself anyway, never confronting any of the people he hurt, in fact Pomni comforts his narcissistic ass until the very end and they trick you into thinking she's totally gonna save him for the TRAGIC rugpull.
But don't worry, the other yous in the real world are happy, now let's not think too hard about things, let's put the great soft jelly thing from IHNMAIMS in the aquarium and play softball forever!

>>154474112
Things aren't true just because your say them, retard

>>154475422
Gameoverse is gonna have Vivzie writing problems, but less swearing/fujo slop

>>154476085
>>154475191
I should add, "and everything they already made was intentionally Memoryholed from the public."

>>154476136
That's never gonna happen. Show is too infamous.

>>154476150
>too infamous
Then it's more than infamous enough to push for its erasure from all public record.

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>>154476085
Forgot to add, Pomni and Ragatha have the dramatic hug after talking about, you guessed it, Jax.
Maybe not getting the Kinger & Caine father-son talk was for the best, they would have ended up taking about that fucking rabbit anyway.

>>154474112
It was expected that it would amount to something and it didn't. "Wacky cartoon people talk about being sad for 9 episodes" is self-indulgent slop.

>>154476266
>It was expected that it would amount to something
Why?

>>154474112
Last minute forced tranny faggotry like other countless shows

>>154476298
>Last minute
That implies it wasn't planned from the start.

>>154475337
>Fat latinx woman is the 2020s version of giga hacks like Rob Liefield and Reki Kawahara
No wonder I respect her so much.

>>154476085
Also - why do they make such a big deal of the cast being able to conjure if it never actually matters and Caine reappears anyway so he can continue to conjure whatever they need anyway?

>>154476360
The point was that they weren't giving up, they were taking it upon themselves to fix the place up instead of wallowing in depression.

>>154474454
>it was good 80% of the time
I strongly disagree. My ire has even come back onto the books themselves.
Gurm was always just a jumped up hack writer who happened to have friends in the TV industry.

>>154476381
But they didn't fix the place up other than some patches on the floor - for all the buildup and seeming weight it's given, there's no real payoff. They don't repair the circus or change it into something bearable, Caine (the literal deus ex machina) just feels very sorry and turns it into a paradise for them. They don't even seem to use it to deal with the rampaging abstracted Jax.

Gooseworx wrote in conjuring so that there'd be a cliffhanger for episode 8 but had no thought put into it beyond that. Same thing with whatever happened with Caine and Scratch, or Caine and Kinger, and so on.

Jax is a malignant plot tumor that grows over the course of the show until it completely consumes the finale and suffocates all other plot threads and ideas.

>>154476469
I think Jax is a malignant tumor for society in general. You know future generations of disenfranchised men will look to him for guidance and CUT THEIR FUCKING DICKS OFF, change my mind.

>>154474578
>almost entirely female cast
>somehow completely failed at even being borderline feminist media
lol

>>154476469
>Jax is a malignant plot tumor that grows over the course of the show
Makes sense that he's Cooper Goodwin's self insert. See >>154476532
>[the castration cult] is a malignant tumor for society in general
Correct, although it's more accurately a metastasis of the progressive illness that has been advancing for 250 years.

>>154476469
This is like complaining about Home Alone because Kevin's mother shows up at the end.

>>154476541
>failed at even being borderline feminist media
What are you talking about? One of the two male characters (not counting the robot) is shown to be unfulfilled if he doesn't complete a castration ritual to turn him into a facsimile of a woman.

>>154476563
shown where? twitter? who cares lmao i'm not doing homework for a tv show

>>154476596
>shown where? twitter?
PedoSky, but yes, Cooper Goodwin has confirmed that the character of Jax would have joined the castration cult if he was pushed in such a direction, and that it would be a good thing.

>>154475600
>fix the parasocial bullshit where everyone acts like fandoms are supposed to be big happy families and cast/crew are friends
Ok. How?

>>154476563
"Transitioning made me a better person" is a lie they tell themselves. They're still the same awful, entitled people.

>>154476688
>"[The castration-as-transmogrification ritual] made me a better person" is a lie they tell themselves
And others, yes. It's a cult.

>>154476557
If Kevin's mother showed up right before the wet bandits attempt to break in with a fleet of police cars arrive, meaning that Kevin never uses any of the traps to outwit the bad guys, then yes, I would complain because that would be a massive anticlimax. Same issue here.

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>>154474112
Far as I can tell, it's because everyone finally stopped and looked at the show as a whole, not as a special event every 2-6 months where the fandom was allowed to just run wild and make up whatever they want, while theorizing and headcanoning far better stories than what we go. Now that people are able to sit down and watch it start to finish in one guy, they can actually see that a lot of what they constructed in their heads was not actually present in the show. The characterization for most of the cast is weak as fuck. The relationships weren't developed. The character arcs were flat lines. The deep emotional bonds were asserted when the plot demanded it, not earned through actual writing.

And then on top of all of that, the fans who defend it the most have repeatedly proven that they barely pay attention to the show that they will try and rip people's throats out over.

>>154476737
The "Wet Bandits" conflict in this case was Abstracted Jax running about. They were able to calm him down and lead him into his tent by themselves, they didn't need Caine to send him down below.

>>154474523
you've been at this for so long and so many threads, i genuinely think you might be a psycho or a repressed egg or something

>>154476762
>egg
Take your cult shit back to where it's welcome, so we can ban it and (You).

>>154476782
posting this all the time cant be good for your mental health man

>>154475279
>The early episodes are so much better than the ending.
They really aren't. Whole thing is an idiot plot that requires that every moment where the characters can actually stop and talk to each other about their situation is instead spent talking about their feelings in the most vague and noncommittal way. The SOMA theory was locked in from day 1 and instead of doing anything to explore that or what its supposed to mean for their long-term existence, it's just treated as a fun little factoid dropped unceremoniously in the middle of another scene and then used to set up the social media stalking reveal that everyone is living happy lives and the circus scans are just miserable because they never stopped to acknowledge their extremely obvious digital-only existence for what seems to be years for some and decades for others.

>>154476807
>telling the truth isn't good for you!!1!
You people have a terrible track record of determining what's "good" for anyone, including yourselves.

>>154474112
UTTP antics. Those little tards kept spamming animal gore in the replies of the official VAs. When the movie was announced, there was a ton of seethe that they took advantage of. Naturally, when you piss off the mentally ill gay teens of twitter, one of them is bound to be ass blasted enough to dig through the VAs past and encounter a joke edgy enough that you could somewhat hide behind as being legitimately offended by. From there, these children whipped themselves into hysterics, warping the initial event as being as bad as lynching a real black person. UTTP signal boosted it and then dipped once the chaos became self sustaining. The VAs and Glitch didn't know how to calm the storm and thought apologizing to the mob (a common mistake) was a good idea. Instead, you got a barrage of "WHAT TOOK YOU SO LONG". More trolls took advantage of the situation and spammed 'nega' for lols and attention. Goose, who had NG roots, had more edgy tweets and then the conversation pivoted to "YOU ARE RACIST AND NOW I THINK YOUR SHOW WAS NEVER GOOD". The finale being the Jax show was the nail in coffin for other character stans and cemented more LGBT madness because the online LGBT are piranhas. In less than 1 month, Glitch went from being revered to a drama factory that everyone shades for being greedy souless opportunists

>>154476360
I genuinely don't understand why they added that at all. It was hinted at when Kinger made the butterfly and then never acknowledged again. The Circus was made by Caine for his own purposes. It was never meant to be a game where "players" had power to create things for themselves. C&A had no hand in making the circus or influencing how it was meant to be used. So why the fuck can they conjure polygons at all? Because shitty writing, that's why. They needed something that would keep the cast together, but too focused to notice Jax had 42%'d himself offscreen.

>>154476850
>UTTP antics
Cooper Goodwin was hired long before that.
>buuhhh, da queschin was---
I know; in a sane world, hiring a castration cultist would be the point your studio loses all credibility forever, but we haven't had a sane world since the end of World War II at the very latest.

>>154476750
The driving conflict of the series is the characters trying to deal with the "hell" of the digital circus. The characters have various coping mechanisms up to episode 7 when they believe there's a chance at escape. Not only does the escape fail, it escalates the conflict because Caine becomes outright malicious and actively tortures the cast. The entire cliffhanger leading into Episode 9 is "Oh no, we deleted Caine and the circus is falling apart. What do we do?" The beginning of Episode 9 raises the stakes even further by confirming that the cast are entirely digital creations and escape is utterly impossible.

Instead of following through with this conflict, however, Jax abstracts offscreen and then the rest of the finale is Pomni digging into his backstory. The main conflict (and every other character) is sidelined so that every time Jax is not onscreen, the characters can ask, "Where's Jax?"

Then it turns out Caine wasn't actually deleted so that he can come back, say he's sorry, and fix up the circus. The characters are still digital copies trapped in a simulated world on aging computer hardware, but they can play softball and have sex whenever they want now so I guess things are okay forever, actually.

No shit that's tremendously unsatisfying.

>>154476902
>Unrelated response
Really itching to use Goose's legal name at any opportunity, aren't you? Has anyone come up with a name for you? If I pull up the archive, I know I can track down all your posts because only you keep using that name

>>154474112
>make show with interesting premise
>shove it aside for faggot drama
>people pissed show ends with no resolution for interesting ideas
>creators blame everyone else instead of realizing people arent interested in the faggot drama parent hate

>>154476953
Are you talking about the Circus or Hazbin?

>>154476932
>only you
I've seen a few posts besides my own use Cooper's one and only name, thankfully.
>>154476953
>interesting premise
What, some pseudo-existentialist mascot "horror" slop on par with Poppy Playtime? Spare us all.

>>154474112
I stopped caring when it became The Jax Show

>>154477023
Why did you start caring?

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>>154476990
>interesting premise
Same idea space as Matrix, I have no mouth and I must scream, gnosticism, existentialism, but with a 90s blocky early 3D video game aesthetic? Yes. Saying it was always bad just servers downplay the impact of jaxfaggotry and the botched ending. Without that none of these threads would be happening.

>>154477082
That's it?

>>154476545
What can be fucking done?

>>154474112
It’s one of the greatest commercial successes of all time, and that should frighten everyone with a brain.

>>154476683
Glad you asked because this is genuinely so fucking simple
>Stop acknowledging fan ships and fan memes.
Simple. Zutara, Derpy from Horse show, whatever, all of these things only became such massive shit shows because the cast and crew kept acknowledging them.
Literally, just don't give the fandom mindless validation.
>Stop doing the fucking livestreams
Q&A's about the show or about production are one thing but stop doing "CAST OF SHOW PLAYS YOUR FAVORITE VIDEO GAME AND YOU CAN PAY MONEY FOR THEM TO ACKNOWLEDGE YOUR EXISTENCE!"
Holy shit, don't complain about "le parasocial toxic fandom" if you're just gonna do the most parasocial fucking shit.
>Stop actively liking fanart and fan posts on twitter
Same fucking principle.

It is not hard to not mindlessly validate a fandom and to keep a professional relationship with said fandom.
>How about I don't make it look like these things they want out of the show will be in the show when they, in fact, won't be in the show?
>Jeez, maybe I shouldn't prey on socially isolated losers for money because they're emotionally volatile and it can end in some dumb shit
>You know, this "senpai notices you" landscape is pretty stupid and leads to stupid shit in general.

How is it that George R.R. Martin is the only man in all of the current pop culture landscape to realize this extremely basic shit?

Let the fandom's enjoyment come from the property itself rather than trying to build something around that via parasociality and pandering.

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Saw clips of the gun episode, thought it looked really action packed, so gave it a watch. Plus the fight between Jax and Pomni looked really neat
Turned out to be really fucking autistic and lame, only stuck around for the finale just to see the story's end and that was about it
The politics was just a cherry on top of an already steaming pile of shit

>>154477093
>idea space
I said spare us all.
>gnosticism
Oh, good, more cult shit. Just seems to pile onto itself...
>existentialism
Again, explored with all the depth of Poppy fucking Playtime, with the same aesthetic to boot. Wonder why the castration cultist seems so keen on attracting an audience of children...
>none of these threads would be happening
If you recognized it was severely overrated garbage from the beginning, yes.
>>154477116
While the republic withers away, push for a leader who will take the role of Sovereign and cross the Rubicon, pushing the quarter-millennium of subversive idealism to the side as he does it.
>>154477171
You should've started at the pilot and quit halfway when you realized the rest of the series would just be a waste of time, then see that a cultist made it and feel vindicated in that assessment.

>>154477212
>You should've started at the pilot and quit halfway
9 episodes isn't that hard to sit through. I would've given up had it been anywhere above 10 though

>>154477229
>9 episodes isn't that hard to sit through
Half a pilot was hard enough for me. Don't know what that says about (You)...

>>154474148
Kovac was requested to say "nega" on a stream some years ago and Glitch was forced to release an apology for that apparently.

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>>154477248
Cringe makes me feel nothing. It's too ingrained in my very soul at this point.

>>154477342
>I have no standards
So how can you tell if the series ever "got bad"?

>>154476414
You gotta give him credit, he figured out that people can't be mad at you for a shitty ending if you never write an ending at all

>>154477356
It never ''got'' bad, it was always bad. i just stuck around to watch the end, since i had started it anyhow and it was short. Idk what you're not getting here.

>>154477371
>[I don't know] what you're not getting here
Why you bothered to finish.
>it was short
So's a kick in the balls.

>>154474701
Based Ganglechad
>Like if you bought Jax plushies because he was just a silly guy in episode 1 but he's a trans murderer at the finale what the fuck are you gonna do with that merch if you hate later season jax?
You throw your garbage away and move on to the next FOTM fad like the sheltered poor impulse control rich parents kid you are.

>>154474148
>>154477341
That's not what happened
>User who superchatted had "nega" in their name
>His then gf reads said name out loud
>Everyone thinks she said the N word and freaks out
>Clarification. Everyone calms down
>The awkwardness of that situation becomes a running joke throughout the stream.

I will reiterate that shitshows like this can be easily avoided if they literally just stopped doing this kind of parasocial interaction with their fandom

>>154477429
>if they literally just stopped doing this kind of parasocial interaction with their fandom
Or just ignore the trolls instead of constantly feeding them and making public apologies, or like Goose, complain on Tumblr every other day about how their fans are ruining his life

>>154475367
The slop you like from your childhood didn't challenge anything either.

>>154477459
Anon the only reason they have to do that is because they put themselves in the position of being wholesome chunguses who love the fandom oh so much and foster such a parasocial dynamic that shit constantly hits the fan for them when they fall short.

>>154475600
>is the same as both fandom and crew being subject to massive bouts of capslock and doxing over ships.
Oh shut up man. Shipping drama is so 2000s. It literally doesn't happen anymore.

>>154476782
>>154476842
>this again
I think the "egg" talk is genuinely predatory shit but I actually do agree with the idea that you are a repressed tranny, and I mean that with complete sincerity. No normal person keeps posting about this shit for weeks on end

I am scared of Jax.

>>154475600
>>154475732
I want to hear you talk more about this. I am genuinely interested in what you have to say
>Either fix the parasocial bullshit where everyone acts like fandoms are supposed to be big happy families and cast/crew are friends, or just stop blabbing about which particular fandom is le bad.
Yeah. The worst problem with modern day web media is that the creative teams have gotten way too comfortable cozying up to random people they don't even know, and fandom in and of itself has inherited a bigger problem that spans the entire internet now, the idea of the "big happy family" group. This is why shitcord has so much drama for example

>>154476932
>Has anyone come up with a name for you?
Ive been thinking of him as 'castrationfag' because its one of the things hes obsessed with and prone to repeating like a broken recorder.

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>We've all done bad things.

Genuinely what did she mean by this?

>>154478030
Something I've come to accept about trannies is that they're not exclusively sex perverts so much as they have weird idealizations of what the opposite sex is or is supposed to be.

You can really see it with FtMs or specifically the number of "gay trans men" who credit yaoi. Because it's not just the fetishization of gay men they gun for, but this idea of a "sensual side of masculinity". Or this idea of a "new masculinity" that they seem to think they themselves are creating that the darn cis men will eventually accept.

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>>154478230
Cyborg disgaea class.
I will tie you up in my front yard. I will cover you in gasoline. You are an animal fit only for slaughter. Your ancestors were vegans. Jews are a rape layed people from the word go.

>>154478141
So parasocial culture was obviously always there.
For instance Schwarzenegger being the tough guy every young man wanted to be, or all the boybands or whatever.

But what's really changed is that photoshoots, panels, and autography signings have been very directly replaced with something like Twitter which has blurred the line of Q&A/Press release and just "palling around."

You really saw this with Tara Strong during horse show.
I think what bugs me is that, the more indie you get, the more the teams do this shit because it's gone from an informal practice into industry fundraising standard.

It's funny you bring up Discord, because I got one for ya. We keep hearing about dramas of varying degrees (many of which are criminal) coming from a youtuber's official fan/patreon discord.

Why the fuck are there official fan/patreon discords?
That isn't even keeping people updated via news or anything, that is literally like "here's your chance to chat with me". The only ones I've seen that made any sense are like "discuss potential video topics and post sources with me" like althistoryhub has.

It really is a parasocial hell.

>>154477543
They weren’t pretentious, boring troonslop either

>>154476747
>the fans who defend it the most have repeatedly proven that they barely pay attention to the show that they will try and rip people's throats out over.
That describes MDfags to a T as well. There was one guy who made a criticism thread of MD, but it got raided by MDfags because they can't stand that more than one person has a negative opinion of it.

>>154478030
>no normal person opposes the cult!!1!
>if you oppose us, you're secretly one of us!!1!
Notice that it's only people like (You) that say shit like this. No one says people who want to ban gambling are secretly gambling addicts; but replace "gambling" with "chemical and surgical castration in a pseudo-medical transmogrification ritual," everyone rolls their eyes and says, "Yes, obviously."
>>154478150
>obsessed with
It's what the cult is built upon, hence its proper name as "the castration cult."
>>154478230
>they're not exclusively sex perverts
No, some of them are just retards who got lured into, and then lovebombed by, a cult of sex perverts.
>"gay trans men" who credit yaoi
Exhibit A.

>>154475368
Ragatha exposition dumping to Pomni while they were just walking in a hallway, and the theorybaiting with the fake exits were red flags.

>>154475337
Based and Lute-pilled

>>154478373
Now
>>154476747
>>154478383
To go into this, the aforementioned Roger Ebert quote explains it
>A lot of fans are basically fans of fandom itself. It's all about them. They have mastered the Star Wars or Star Trek universes or whatever, but their objects of veneration are useful mainly as a backdrop to their own devotion. Anyone who would camp out in a tent on the sidewalk for weeks in order to be first in line for a movie is more into camping on the sidewalk than movies. Extreme fandom may serve as a security blanket for the socially inept, who use its extreme structure as a substitute for social skills. If you are Luke Skywalker and she is Princess Leia, you already know what to say to each other, which is so much safer than having to ad lib it. Your fannish obsession is your beard. If you know absolutely all the trivia about your cubbyhole of pop culture, it saves you from having to know anything about anything else. That's why it's excruciatingly boring to talk to such people: They're always asking you questions they know the answer to.

This quote is from before the internet, not only has the problem gotten worse, it's become a fucking industrial complex.
FNAF is the biggest example here.
How much fucking money did FNAF as a franchise make via merch sales from people who never fucking played the game?

But it goes deeper. Because those people who never played the game consumed it via youtubers and streamers who were able to launch careers via lets plays and theories.

The people who watched those streams then proceeded to watch fan content. Launching more careers.

The people behind that fan content made their own IPs, which got consumed via the aforementioned methods, financed via merchandise, and more careers were launched.

It's an economy. Fandom culture is genuinely just a microeconomy. Even hate content is part of that fucking economy and the core IP isn't even the main show.

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>>154474224
>people not wanting to give up on a community I see it happen to often that people get really groggy when shit ends these days and they refuse to move on.
Move on to what? What is there left?

>>154478580
>Star Trek
Of course, completely forgot the origin of modern fan culture. I believe that was where the "Mary Sue" came from.

>>154477094
Do you need anything else?

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>>154474112
>make objectively shit show
instead of having a fun ReBoot Dungeon Master Adventure of the Week shenanigans which it was LITERALLY hyped up to be along with finding out the hidden mystery of what's really going on,
we got
pilot
fun npc side plot
annoying character episode 1
therapy,
annoying character episode 2 + therapy
annoying character episode 3 + therapy
trans messaging gay therapy (just be yourself except actually don't even when you have a massive support structure for you)
and a positive uplifting message towards all transfolk that when they kill themselves (go glitch mode) everyone's life improves and no one really cares.

>said shit show isn't getting good criticism from anyone
>panic
>run defense by trying to use tweets, posts, and other messages directly from the author to try and do a "subverted expectations" retarded bullshit
>run defense by saying it was the le fandumb!!!'s fault
>run defense by saying the criticism is over a politically incorrect joke
>run defense by saying it was because one of the characters was just trans
>none of it works
but retards will retard and we will end up with season 8 of hazbin hotel and season 4 of tadc because the "indie" "animation" "industry" don't car

>>154474112
The mystery box was full of faggots, because Gooseworx is a faggot who cannot write anything but faggots, because to their fucked up, heterophobic worldview, only faggots are interesting.

>>154478585
Good shit, shows aren't meant to go on forever.
Look at what happened in twin peaks.

>>154474589
I am this post.

TADC would have been better if it was episodic adventures, the early episodes were really good before it became dramaslop.

>>154478702
Yes, something the creator hasn't openly admitted to wishing he could torment more than he has.
>>154478864
No, you're the author of the post. You have authority over what you put in it and what you want others take take from it. Hint.
>>154478878
>[Circus Shit] would have been better if
The series is the brainchild of a castration cultist; no version of it was going to be good.

>>154478383
Sounds like you're just the same fag that's butthurt about MD and people that enjoy it and was making posts like this in that thread + others. Take your meds and get over your weird autistic hateboner, retard. Do you think people can't tell when you start posting about how MDfags fucked your mom and shot your dog all the time? What, did you get called a retard too many times in MD threads or something now you have to shit yourself everywhere?

>>154478603
If I'm correct, he made the quote during the Phantom Menace lead-up.

It should be noted, Ebert liked both franchises.
Hell, Ebert's claim to fame was how he broke away from the snootiness of critics of his time.

But think about what he's actually saying. We now have "comfort show", "comfort character". Even headcanons are literally just a fandom making a show more palatable to themselves regardless of what actually happened on the screen.

The IPs are revolving around the fandoms now instead of the other way around. And the indie animation boom has to be the worst offender of this I've ever seen.

>>154478946
There goes the ad hominems, I wasn't even the guy who made that thread in the first place, just a guy who agreed with him.
>>154478967
Unfortunately I think I understand what you're saying, and a show about miniature Equus ferus caballus illustrates this most clearly. You've essentially got fandom surrounding fanworks themselves.

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>>154478373
>>154478580
>>154478603
>>154478967
>But what's really changed is that photoshoots, panels, and autography signings have been very directly replaced with something like Twitter which has blurred the line of Q&A/Press release and just "palling around."
I think it's because a lot of those were different compartmentalizations in both parties' lives, and there was a degree of separation between them both regardless. Twitter/bsky/whatever the fuck doesn't really allow for this since the idea is to be "social" and to foster these parasocial relationships to begin with, which makes it weirder to do "formal" shit on there. Really I think those being an all-encompassing "everything" platform is a bit of a curse in that regard
>Why the fuck are there official fan/patreon discords?
I'm working on an indie project of my own and it's really gotten me to notice how many other projects have official discords and how unnecessary that is, especially with the potential for drama to break out immediately. I can't imagine actually wanting to be a part of your own fandom nowadays when the average fan is a lemming that will lynch literally anyone for saying the wrong thing.
>the entire second post
You're saying fandom is the main product and that the thing it's based around isn't even the core focus? Because if so, yeah, that's pretty true.
The fact that hate/dramafagging is an industry in and of itself is fucking bleak to think about, but I guess it's not too different from the legacy media having shit like TMZ (though those weren't really moralfaggy the same way dramafagging is)

It's a really strange situation all around. I understand why fandom exists, and I'm not even opposed to fanworks, but it has become a self-serving demanding beast that cares more about itself than the actual product. Shit the fact that "the fandom" is a punchline for a lot of low blow critique of media says a lot about the state of fan culture.

Pic unrelated

>>154479000
Thing about that particular show? It came out with perfect timing
>Twitter on the rise
>first smartphone boom
>People figuring out how to monetize digital content including youtube monetization and the birth of patreon
>Skype
>Beginning of the shift away from niche forums to larger sites like Reddit
All of that happened roughly 2008-2012 and the show came out in 2010.

I'd say it would be the second best show to trace the shift in fandom culture. First place goes to Breaking Bad. Started 2008 and ended 2013, granted Horse Show had a more parasocial dynamic.

Game of Thrones is probably the best for tracking fandom culture over 2010s since it was 2011 to 2019 and kept a more consistent fandom size.

One advantage looking at Horse show holds over those two is a further proximity away from the mainstream meaning that you'd be looking more at just "the fandom" by picking it as the benchmark, but the fandom size dwindling into the mid 2010s messes with the sample

>>154478410
>hence its proper name as "the castration cult."
Its not even an accurate label, the point of castration is no longer having sexual desires.
Eunuchs werent going 24/7 about how horny they are and what they want to bang like gooseworx and other trannies do.
In short yes, youre undeniably obsessed, castrationschizo.

>>154478150
/co/ has called him industrycuck for years. He's a long running schizo kinda like famicom is
He used to make angry threads about Kim Possible for some reason (he really didn't like Ron), there used to be a google doc about him at one point but I don't have it on me at the moment
You can tell it's him because he always likes to argue and call people "oikophobics" and "eleutheromaniacs". I guess "castration cultist" is his newest insult, his way of calling someone a tranny

>>154479191
>the point of castration is no longer having sexual desires
In the traditional sense. Now the castration IS the object of desire, for the cultists.
>>154479197
>He used to make angry threads about Kim Possible for some reason
So I know for a fact you're not talking about me.

>>154479197
>I guess "castration cultist" is his newest insult
Wait, THAT's him!? Jesus, it's been so long since I seen any cartoon dad-related posts that I forgot that he's still posting here.

>>154479213
>THAT's him!?
See >>154479210

>>154477404
>You throw your garbage away and move on to the next FOTM fad like the sheltered poor impulse control rich parents kid you are.
I think there needs to be like a guide for people to buy merch, merch for cartoons was like a special treat because a shit ton of things never got plushies and crap but now it's like buy it now while the pilot just came out
>Wait three episodes for the series to "set in" and to see if you still like the character and the series, or if a totally different character changed your mind
>If it's YouTuber merch then god damn please be as selective as possible, not only could that be ruined but they could also come out as a nonce and tank the whole thing
>Don't impulse buy everything, get like one or two items max per series

>>154478383
>>154478946
>>154479000
MD threads both here and on Plus have been plagued since the very beginning by a very mentally ill beaner who takes advantage of any grievance to maintain a perpetual state of confict. Dronefags are defensive about their show but it is artificially being made worse.

>>154479213
I did too kek. I forgot he used to post about that shit all the time, all the discordfaggotry infesting the cartoon side of this board really kinda made me forget how rampant he was about that
So maybe he's not a tranny but he's just highly insecure. Interesting the man who ranted about cartoon dads is ranting about a cartoon character with mommy/daddy issues

>>154479235
>it is artificially being made worse.
That smells like the stench of tribefagging in Owl/Frog threads. They were both dykeslop if you want my honest opinion, but it's funny that there were genuine fights over those shows.

>>154479261
>uses the word "genuine"
>while using it as an example of artificial infighting
UGHHHHH, hopefully you get the idea.

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>Why did everyone suddenly turn against TADC ?
Please consult the chart.
>Saying thing is good = no click
>Saying thing is bad = many clicks

>>154479258
>the man who ranted about cartoon dads
What fucking part of >>154479210 are you choosing to ignore? Don't answer, I already know what.

>>154479166

>It's a really strange situation all around. I understand why fandom exists, and I'm not even opposed to fanworks, but it has become a self-serving demanding beast that cares more about itself than the actual product. Shit the fact that "the fandom" is a punchline for a lot of low blow critique of media says a lot about the state of fan culture

I think where it's gotten particularly egregious is when fanon interpretations of a character have largely overridden what was actually on the screen.

Obviously you have "draco in leather pants" fanfiction stuff, but a really noticeable one is that any character who would typically be defined as "emotionally guarded" with a deeper complexity will often drop that guard way too easy within fan material and that will play a role in influencing the larger fandom view of a character.

>>154479176
I wasn't paying attention to Breaking Bad at the time it came out, did it really have a fandom on par with horse show at the time? Insane to think how it has surged in popularity two more times since

I do feel horse show is probably the most important cartoon of the early 2010s in terms of impact on indie works. I can't think of a single television cartoon that affected web originals more aside from maybe Steven Universe (but that's a bit of a weirder example because that came right as modern fandom culture was already beginning to truly take form, horse show came at the right exact time; it was lightning in a bottle). And like you got at before before, it started really breaking down the boundaries between artist and audience, didn't it?

>>154474112
Cause it sucked.

Plus the creator is a tranny who wanted to creep out the show to kids when he should been honest and make it for Adult Swim.

>>154474118
Nigga my man, where you been? Everywhere the internet is now filled with bots.

>>154479291
What's your problem with Ron Stoppable, Industrycuck?

>castrationfag is just another industrycuck schizophrenia based deluded obsession
Somehow it all makes sense, before he was obsessed with cartoon dads and now hes single mindedly about tranny cocks or lack thereof
The schizo logic follows

>>154474224
It was another stupid show made by manchild lefties for fucked up trannies, fucked up manchild lefties and get children to become like them.

Castration cultist dude kinda has a point. They are a cult and they have seeped into stuff.

>>154479335
That you assume I give a shit.

>>154479369
See >>154479210
If you need help, it's the bottom part.

>>154479313
>a really noticeable one is that any character who would typically be defined as "emotionally guarded" with a deeper complexity will often drop that guard way too easy within fan material and that will play a role in influencing the larger fandom view of a character.
Are you talking about the whole hurt/comfort thing? I don't really know how common this is for myself since I don't really read fanfiction, but I've heard this seems to be a pretty big thing in fanworks
>draco in leather pants
Now I know you're a real nigga, this is not some bullshit hot air you are blowing out.
In a way what you're talking about seems to be like a new version of draco in leather pants

>>154479390
Even a stopped clock is right twice a day, but that doesn't mean the clock is properly functioning either

>>154479390
No one here is even saying he doesnt, just that he lets it live rent free in his mind and is autistic and repetitive about it.
If someone was talking day and night about how the sky is blue theyd seem like a nutso even when we all know is true.
But well industryschizo is mindbroken like that, cant be helped.

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>>154476085
>Pomni comforts his narcissistic ass until the very end and they trick you into thinking she's totally gonna save him for the TRAGIC rugpull.
Im atill fucking mad anout this and how they didnt cure jax of his abstraction. I really hope that glitch goes ahead with a continuation of TADC in a few years and does it without gooseworx because i know if they get her back for a season 2 or a sequel she will insist on not curing jax like he/they should be

>>154479429
Good thing my clock is ticking, despite claims to the contrary.
>>154479445
>No one here is even saying he doesnt [sic]
Because you can't.
>rent free
*Breaking in and shitting on the carpet.
>industryschizo
I know what part of >>154479210 you're ignoring, intentionally. Seems to be a theme with you people, pretending not to understand things...
>>154479496
>I really hope that glitch goes ahead with a continuation
I hope they do their best to purge any evidence that it existed to salvage their reputation. Barring that, it gets done for them.

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>>154479390
Retard
>>154479521
Also retarded

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>>154475279
>It baffles the mind how you can write something so good with so much potential and then fumble it up so completely
They made the show for the sake of the ending first and didn't compromise when the journey/making it did not reflect that ending, they had their set "plot"and refused to listen to the character voices and allow them to make the decisions, it's why Jax stops being Jax and starts being gooseworks.
In short they ignored gravity, and we are paying the consequences, very common phenomenon unfortunately

>>154475600
A PooJeet bot wrote this

>>154479550
>pic
Can you stop trying to subvert civilization to cater to your alleged illness?
>>154479556
>[Cooper Goodwin] made the show for the sake of [inducting new members into the castration-as-transmogrification ritual]
Mild correction.

>>154478030
Cram the pop psychology back up your ass. That's not how this works.

>>154479579
I would go as far as to say or or more specifically say, they attempted to express through art their feelings on themselves with the final climatic point being about being a troon, however through the natural progression of the story and expression of themself it became extremely self evident that the whole being a troon thing and no actual place or any real good reason to belong in there but instead of coming to terms with that gooseworks forced it in anyway resulting in a complete disjointment of the unintentional themes of the story.

It is ultimately a failure on of self examination, made especially evident that if gooseworks truly and utterly was fully 100% about being a troon he wouldn't have had Jax die, it's a subconscious concession.

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>>154478580
We saw something similar with the Backrooms movie. Tiktok zoomers were spazzing out because they didn't get to see their favorite entity or level in a movie that was never ever going to be that movie, but their entire engagement with the Backrooms as a concept comes from retarded content farm accounts and explainer channels that just read the wiki at them in a super obnoxious way.

That's the kind of "fans" we're seeing these days. People who endlessly consume sludge content from other idiots about why something is so great or deep or spooky, but don't have two braincells to rub together to form an opinion of their own. I've heard this has been a rising problem for the last couple decades as children were taught to infer the quality of a work from the values and morals they are told it expresses, rather than forming any kind of judgement or opinion of their own. They are told TADC is deep and well-written with complex characters and realistic depictions of trauma and mental illness, so that's all there is to it. It just is high quality because someone told them so. If you don't agree, then you're not only wrong, but you didn't understand it, since everyone else says it's so great, there's no way, in their rotten little minds, for someone to reach the conclusion that it's actually bad in any way.

Unless enough people change their minds and decide that actually it's bad, or that the show is just "okay" but the fandom did something wrong, so it's actually the fandom's fault that people think the show is bad. If the tide turns entirely, and the popular opinion being handed to them is that TADC is badly written and Nooseworx is a bad person with shitty ideas, that's the opinion they will regurgitate when asked to talk about it.

>>154479708
>It is ultimately a failure on of self examination
He's a cultist. Doing that at this point would result in joining a 42% statistic.

>>154479313
>I think where it's gotten particularly egregious is when fanon interpretations of a character have largely overridden what was actually on the screen.
The thing here is fans don't really WANT a show/media, they thrive on the IDEA of a show/media. It's more about expectations and using the idea of it as a base to make stuff like fanfic, discussion and fanart, akin to playing with dolls.

It's like gambling. Do you know when gambling addicts feel the largest "hit"? It isn't when they WIN, it's when they get the expectation, anticipation of winning. The chase.

The parasocial comparison hits that too because parasocials don't really want the PERSON, but the idea, the mind view they have of the person. Actual people are complex and much too flawed unlike whatever image they have of them. Fuck I can't recall the details but I know I heard about how some celeb had a stalker and the way he made away with them was just talking with the stalker and rambling nonstop about things in his life that were upsetting him, which made the stalker become instantly disinterested.

>>154479166
As much as the overzealous, self-perpetuating fandom issue is a problem that's largely separate from the works they form around, we need to stop putting so much importance on them and focus on how the phenomenon is being weaponized by corporations.

As previously mentioned, it's been gradually taking place for almost 20 years now, but now it's all too common to monetize a fandom's hype then scapegoat them to absolve any failing on the production's part (as we often see whenever a blockbuster movie underperforms).

I just find it all too easy to give into that "Us vs Them" mentality and lose sight of the bigger picture here.

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>>154479496
It's such a bizarre narrative decision, also makes Pomni look completely useless because ok, she got some closure for herself, but Jax never gets one and dies crying during a massive panic attack? He's such a weird character in the way he's the most important one to the detriment of the others, while still getting all the worst possible flaws and outcomes

>>154479496
Her solution was just "you should have just talked to me, man" as if people didn't try to do that for his entire time in the Circus. It's all Ribbit, Ragatha, and Pomni wanted from Jax. Even after seeing that Jax's entire problem was that he refused to talk to people, and Jax's lingering consciousness telling her, after seeing what a dumb fucking faggot Jax truly is, that she should just hate him and stop caring. The guy saw his behavior drive one person to suicide and learned nothing, then another, and then he saw the same shit happening to everyone else he interacted with, and still his retarded fucking excuse was
>BUT WHAT IF SOMEONE FINDS OUT I'M A BIG LOSER FAGGOT DUMBASS PIECE OF SHIT?!
As if they weren't sick of his shit already, didn't already hate his guts, and weren't willing to spit in his face and tell him what a shithead he was.
>oh no they're gonna learn I'm a bit fruity and they're gonna lose all respect for my tissue thin facade of masculinity and nihilistic cynicism!
What the fuck kind of character writing is this?

>>154480005
His characterization makes sense when you know he's goose's pre transition self insert

>>154480076
>oh no they're gonna learn I'm a bit fruity and they're gonna lose all respect for my tissue thin facade of masculinity and nihilistic cynicism!
There's the "oh shit I might have killed my mom" thing but it seems to have been overshadowed by what you wrote, it's not even hinted at in his torture scene for fuck's sake

>>154480105
Jax is an unholy mixture of a self-insert/Anti-Sue/torture goblin/the writer's barely disguised fetish
I feel so bad for him on a meta level.

>>154480105
>His characterization makes sense when you know he's [Cooper Goodwin]'s pre [cult induction] self insert
Mild corrections.
>>154480116
Shows what Cooper Goodwin thinks about matricide, or familicide in general. Like there's a general disregard for family in his line of thought, maybe even a fear or hatred of the familiar itself. Wonder if that has a name...

>>154480116
Ribbit learned that secret and instantly reasoned that she was probably fine since nothing ever happened about that. So the potential matricide is not even charging on his list of problems. So all we've got left is an inferiority complex because he was never "man enough" for his parents, and his mysterious "personal" secret that was supposed to get his mom off his back that she laughed at, berated him over, and then hugged him for.

Nooseworx tried to have him act like a paranoid psycho and blurt out that he believed Ribbit was trying to get his secrets to hold over his head, even though she already knows his secrets and nothing happened. But also, that was never a fucking thing that traumatized him in his life. He told his Mom, whom he had a terrible relationship with, and that terrible relationship persisted the same as before, and then ended up a lethal shove. He had a good relationship with Ribbit and when he shared his secret, nothing happened, but he insisted on inventing an entirely new personality and being dismissive and distant, but also getting in everyone business and bullying them for no reason, as if that would make people leave him alone and pry into his retarded behavior less... Which it didn't, because that's exactly why Pomni pursued him.

>>154480105
It makes sense if you read it as a mentally unstable person trying to explain their life-long mental illness as a symptom of a handful of recent bad experiences, while trying to ignore and cover up that the problems with their personality, their failed relationships, and their unhealthy behavior have existed long before and persisted long after, and nothing has actually improved.

>>154480076
>>154480005
It all originates from gooesworx own refusal of their own self examinations inorder to continue the tranny charade, Jax refusing to open up and come to an acceptance of things and choosing death over cold harsh truth, is reflective of goosworx himself
>>154480105
>he's goose's pre transition self insert
If this was truly the intended metaphor shouldn't the climax be a coming out of the closet/realization/acceptance scenario rather than suicide?

>>154480216
>their
He's one guy.
>reflective of [Cooper Goodwin] himself
See, you even get it right later on.
>shouldn't the climax be a coming out of the closet/realization/acceptance scenario rather than suicide?
He died in his "repression," as the cult would want you to believe that [41-43]% statistic comes from.

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>>154480216
>If this was truly the intended metaphor shouldn't the climax be a coming out of the closet/realization/acceptance scenario rather than suicide?
Only if you don't add another piece to the puzzle: Trooning, as a term, was coined to refer to SomethingAwful goons transitioning, often with a heaping side of troll's remorse, but not a meaningful change in behavior, attitude, or mental health.

There is a very common narrative in tranny communities where these people believe that they were horrendous, awful, malicious bullies full of self-loathing and misplaced angst at the world until the magical healing power of HRT and pop leftism saved them from their sinful ways. You can also switch this out with them having a "nazi phase" or they were in the "alt right pipeline" or they were a raging women hating "MRA" or other hysterically exaggerated dark paths that were ruining their lives before the sacred HRT ritual saved their wayward souls.

So, if you're an angry little manbaby with emotional problems, their one-size-fits-all solution is that you must be trans, too. They figured it out and they were right, according to them and the other trannies tell them how right they were to transition, so they believe they are able to instantly identify it in others. Transitioning imbues them with a near-supernatural gift for understanding human psychology, but only so far as it applies to gender stuff, they tell each other. We're even seeing it in this thread; the assertion that if you have anything bad to say about trannies that you must 1) be obsessed, and 2) that you must also be an "egg" who needs to crack so you can stop bullying all the awesome trannies and queer people.

Nooseworx has since made it very clear that Jax refusing to transition was the cause of his problems and that the "good ending" for Jax was admitting he's a tranny, and then everyone lives happily ever after. But since he didn't, he deserves to die for deciding to remain a problematic chud

>>154480339
troons wouldn't troon if men were allowed to be feminine without the need to troon.

this whole mess is basically a result of men not being allowed to be as equally emotional as women are, and that women should be as interested in male activities as men do.

its all about fucking prejudice for both sexes and for some fucking reason, the answer is to troon out instead of actually doing something about this shit.

isn't that kind of fucked up?

>>154480405
>troons wouldn't troon if [the alleged phenomenon of "gender dysphoria" was studied to be cured, not affirmed to the point of cultism]
>this whole mess is basically a result of [the 250-year-long march of the progressive illness slowly eroding cultural moral standards until all that remains is atomized, libertine degeneracy, followed swiftly by a return to the millennia-old staple rigid hierarchy]
Mild factual corrections.

>>154480405
That's a small part of it, but a lot of what is actually pushed amounts to magical thinking. First that all of their problems are rooted in gender identity, and then that it is society's fault that they can't ever actually feel happy about being a man LARPing as a woman. It preys on the mentally ill who are just desperate for any kind of solution to their constant anxiety and discomfort.

The other, more aggressive part of the problem, is that mentally ill homosexual autists convince each other that they can live out their porn-based fantasies and pretend to be kinky anime school girls. I think Nooseworx is more of the former than the latter, but both groups would rather choose unconditional solidarity with each other than admit that they all have serious problems.

>>154474357
>transitioned into failure
Ha, I get it.

>>154480405
>if men were allowed to be feminine
Why would want that?
>this whole mess is basically a result of men not being allowed to be as equally emotional as women
Why would want that?
I like being a man, because it means I can rationalize my emotions and face a problem without crying and losing my composure like woman. There's a reason men make better cops.

>>154475732
Segregationists are wrong, but that doesn't mean they're all violent fanatics. Perhaps the letter-writer just happened to be one of the more sensible ones.

>>154474357
I've been thinking recently about how SOMA handled the brainscan thing.
At one point there's a puzzle where you gotta get some data from one of the brainscans, but you gotta make sure he doesn't freak out or else the system will crash because it's unable to handle his stress levels. I assumed abstracting was something like that, where it was a system failure, but I guess not. (they couldn't even make a unique model for any of the others).

>>154480673
>Segregationists are wrong
Translation: the progressive illness has successfully propagandized you against your own in-group preference when it comes your heritage, turning a convenient blind eye to the same for others.

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>>154479235
>bea*er
Careful, saying that word seems to be a jannie trigger, unlike any other slur. Can't imagine why.

>>154475439
>Hey Jax, how does it feel being a DOG? You DOG!

>>154479864
Robert Pattinson?

>>154478169
Pomni trespassed many times while doing urban explorations

It’s Kinger’s fault they are trapped since he programmed the digital circus

Zooble and Gangle are guilty of the sin of homosexuality

Jax is a bully and a tranny

Ragatha broke her promise to Jax, and breaking an oath is one of the worst blasphemies in the Old Testament

>>154474357
I thought about the 'restoring to an earlier state' thing, but the kinda covered that with the 'reinstatiated' gummigoo. Goose takes the position that 'restoring' them would just be making a new digital person, too ethically messy to be a viable option, and the characters wouldn't consider it to be the same as 'reviving' Jax

>>154480963
Reviving all those abstractions and having them restart their experience from the point of scanning would be bittersweet, a little dark, but not truly so hopeless and mindbreaking as to undermine the themes and mood of the show. End of the day, it's still them and making new memories all over again in a drastically improved circus would be an even better ending than everyone playing D&D and softball for the restof their digital eternity.

>>154481030
But are the abstractions still conscious on some level? The finale sure seems to suggest it, which would take the 'cucking' memes to a whole new level

>>154481267
Jax was seemingly abstracted for quite a while before Pomni pulled her psychonaut routine, which had no reason to work at all. It's not even clear if it wouldn't work again or if some other bullshit excuse explains why Jax is actually gone for real and the Abstractions aren't actually echoes of people anymore. We're led to believe that darkness arbitrarily calms down the monsters and brings back a glimmer of their true selves, but also that they're just gonna be blobby feral animals forever.

>>154474112
>>154474112
We aren't against it. I think the experience of the ending was 10/10 and still know it's not perfect and dropped entire plots at the end, leaving some people hungry for content we won't get but we stil got our "ding dong the witch is dead. Now we have our happy ending"

>>154481399
>10/10
>not perfect
They're not sending their best, are they?

>>154475107
>Do you think you get to talk to the "uncorupted" parts of insane people, people with dementia
During their dying moments terminal lucidity occurs where the person appears to recover from their affliction so yes.

>>154476688
It did make them a better person just not a good person.

>>154481515
>them
>a better person
Are you talking about one, or many?

>>154481546
What do you two think?

>>154479790
There's footage online where someone filmed the Sonic the Hedgehog 2 end credits scene in the theater, you can audibly hear a kid ask "is that sonic.exe?"
>>154479417
Yeah, but everyone sorta knew what the Draco in Leather pants was. I think what bugs me is how a lot of these "fanderizations" very often become how the fandom genuinely interprets a character.
>>154479864
Alright, here's a good one.

You're not wrong, going back to those "fanderizations", what's amazing is that the same tropes will carry fandom-to-fandom and be pasted over the different groups of characters.

Any ensemble cast or team? Quickly made into a found family.

That character who is an unrepentant asshole but the audience likes him because he's entertaining? Sanded down into a lovably mischievous figure with a heart of gold.

Older male in the cast? You bet your ass he's a father figure now. Also one girl is made into the "mother".

It's essentially writing what they know based on what they consume based on their other fandoms.

>>154474118

Its literally hyped by children consuming internet media for the first time. MANY will troon out.

>>154481598
"Two"? Or is this one of those malformed half-jokes you people use to distract from an argument when pretending not to understand gets old, even for you?

>>154481634
>MANY will [join the cult]
Exactly what Cooper Goodwin intended, yes.

>>154474112
The main people who were invested in TADC were middle schoolers. They still like it.

The main people making think pieces about how it’s bad aren’t those middle schoolers, it’s grown chronically online adults who shouldn’t even be watching shit like this in the first place.

If you see anyone pushing 30 watching stuff like this, assume they’re autistic and/or in arrested development.

It's simple
>Show became about the most hated character and excused their behavior
>Show runner claims it was all on purpose to make Jax that much of a fag and not hard cope
Harley Quinn has ruined a generation of writers.

>>154481701
>If you see anyone pushing 30 watching stuff like this, assume they’re autistic and/or in arrested development.
You're posting on 4chan in 2026. Put the stones down in your glass house, friendo.

>>154481701
>The main people who were invested in [Circus Shit] were middle schoolers
Because Cooper Goodwin is a cultist looking for future inductees to the ritual, yes.
>>154481727
Don't blame a character from thirty years ago for castration cultists being allowed in creative work.

>>154481617
Now to bring it back to a reply I missed
>>154479319
Let's talk about where the blurred line between artist and audience leads

Hell, let me give you a sneak peak.

https://www.businessinsider.com/booktok-tropes-authors-pressure-tiktok-books-romance-2023-5?op=1

I want you to picture this because you can already see its effects on shipping culture. But what if it goes beyond that?

Not genre, not archetypes to be played with, when fandoms run the show and especially for something like indie which needs fandom culture to survive, what happens here?

A conveyor belt of shows, comics, even things like video games, which have carefully researched which tropes appeal the most to the current zeitgeist and whose writing staff grew up on the same tropes they're mindlessly regurgitating.

No executive interference needed for everything becoming completely fucking soulless because writers are already becoming conditioned to write a certain way to the tune of the fandoms they themselves grew up in.

>>154474112
It got popular enough that it’s considered trendy to hate now

>>154481744
I’m not taking myself out of the autist category. I AM discussing it on a autist website after all and Goose also clearly lurked here

>>154474112
Mostly the fans.

>>154475600

>merch micro economy
>fandom communities

Some anon said in another thread that what you are partially describing can be called "a symbiotic life cycle of grifters".

>>154481856
I like that term, people jump from fandom to fandom shilling for views and money.

It's quite a fitting description.

>>154481856
Looked up the post, the symbiotic grifters are more like
>You have one group of youtubers screaming about a movie being woke trash while another calls it a masterpiece and they basically leapfrog the controversy reacting to each other
But they're part of a larger industrial complex of fandom culture.

Off the top of my head, take Geeks+Gamers. His claim to fame is being the big fucking chud who is so critical about the star wars sequels.
But people don't like the star wars sequels, so when one group complains about him, the other checks him out. He complains about the woke article writers and his fans check said articles in anger or go to whatever fucking podcast to leave angry comments.

But it all revolves more around the star wars fandom than the star wars movies. It's a discourse eclipsing the actual product and making different groups bank. And they're not even formally coordinating it with each other, it's not a conspiracy. Both just intrinsically know their roles by virtue of seeing their view counts.

That's sorta what I meant when I said that careers are being launched off this and the fandom is becoming monetized itself. A ton of money was made off of people who pirated Rise of Skywalker, just not directly by Disney.
But the shill side of grifters will be on the convention circuit and in the company's good graces.

>>154479968
See, but they don't actually have to do much to weaponize this. The best summation I've seen of this all goes as follows.
>Krusty the Clown teased and there's a "subtle" hint his nose will be blue
>A shit ton of fan theories about his nose
>Fanart, depictions, all this hype surrounding his fucking nose
>Finally, we see Krusty the Clown and his nose is blue
>Everyone gets hyped, twitter explodes, blue nose confirmed
>Sleight of hand, we were so focused on the color we didn't realize it was just a painted fucking tomato.

The problem with the culture is that we're all a bunch of seals and the theories, headcanons, ships, whatever? They can functionally serve as fish to throw at us to make us clap and go arf arf because that's how current fandom culture has been conditioning us.
Sure they sometimes fuck up egregiously bad like making the RWBY fandom hate what was previously its most popular ship.
But all they typically need is to be serviceable about the fan service and let a fandom willing to fill the blanks in themselves do so via fanfics, fanart, and even more theories that can become even more fish to throw.
You can really see it in Hazbin. Certain scenes and even entire characters are written in a specific way entirely to bait fanfics for what the show itself isn't gonna do

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>>154474112
The entire last episode was HEY EVERYONE I AM A TRANNY OKAY EPISODE OVER NOTHING REALLY MATTERED AND NOTHING ELSE REALLY GOT RESOLVED, that's what happened.

>>154482896
The series is, and always was, cult propaganda, yes.

>>154474112
They wasted like 2/3 of it on Jax's backstory and it was already to late to fix him.

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>>154474224
Unabashed option #2-er here, I was always way more interested in the circumstances behind how the circus operates and is maintained in the real world than I ever was in character drama.

a bunch of retards making bad video essays does not constitute "everyone"

>t. never watched a video essay about TADC and never will

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>>154481819
>Goose also clearly lurked here
But in the wrong places.

>>154483343
Then how do you know?

>>154480963
>too ethically messy
Caine would bring them back if he could. If they're just files and npcs are just files, then there's no difference between them.

this shit reminds me of baulders gate 3, where /v/ was like "dude he just said he was going to show me a magic trick, that he could tie my tonsils in a knot with his tongue, and i clicked yes show me and then it GOT GAY WTF". fr fr this is the /mu/ version of them just now discovering elton john might be gay. or /woo/ discovering that kevin nash was raped in the blistering hot summer of 92. where the fuck have you guys been. what where you thinking

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>>154476085
this
This is why I feel the ending was so unsatisfying and undeserved, because the cast somehow gets it all together and its because "jax abstracted" meanwhile they were even sometimes fucking around w him, the maid dress scene, the gangle ep torture, they couldve simply grouped and started beating him whenever he annoyed them, this entire thing feels like a fanfic but i guess thats what you get from a "character driven" show

all I wish if curious-crazy pomni was kept more, because the entire door-opening and exit searching pomni was what interested me the most was dropped in the pilot

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>>154474112
Because Gooseworx is one of the master trolls of all time and people can't handle that she played them like a bunch of fiddles.

Were there actually people that got angry over the SOMA theory coming true? Out of all the problems of the finale, the part that was hinted at pretty early on was the one certain people got hung up on?

>>154474224
>People wanted them to escape the circus, even when they were told the characters are just brain scans they still wanted to believe they could magically get out or something equally retarded.
To be fair, the series wants me to believe there’s an abandoned '90s computer that somehow still works 30 years later.
>Oh yeah, there was internet this whole time—don't think too hard about it.

>>154486749
>Cooper Goodwin is a castration cultist and, like all of them to a one, made his most successful work propaganda for the cult
Fixed.

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>>154487085
>be based for almost the entire series
>get retconed to shit in the 9th episode, ruining both the character and the story as a whole (whose ending was written as an afterthought to the retcon)
>"lol, made u like someone gay, trojan horse, I win"
>"also forget Zooble exists and hand a consistent character arc throughout the series, it has to be Jax"

>>154487421
The series is, and always was, cult propaganda. Thankfully, I never have to see how bad it truly is, because the pilot was enough of an atrocity before I found out who made it for me to not finish it.

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>>154486973
The problem wasn't them being copies, but hiding the "twist" and making the characters as passive as possible for 8 episodes, only to reveal it at the very end (when they already settled on abandoning the idea of leaving anyway) with no emotional impact or exploration. They literally resolve in during a montage, and in the end no one is angry at the fact that what might as well be another person is living "their" life with "their" loved ones.

>>154487452
It's almost like the castration cult is inherently oikophobic and doesn't value the true concept of family, or protecting anything one finds familiar (see also the progressive-illness concept of "found families").

>>154487421
It's also funny because no one really like Zooble as a character because her only trait is being loosely queer and going
>...but... muh body....
And her arc is realizing that maybe she should spend time with everyone instead of not being in the show.

I've seen people feign appreciated for "non-binary" representation, but people like Kinger more, and he's only used for exposition dumps.

>>154487465
>oikophobic
There's that highly specific term. Can't believe I doubted you were industrycuck, what the hell???

>>154488612
>Can't believe I doubted you were industrycuck
Can't believe this ridiculous premise still matters so much to you. Could you explain why?

>>154488640
For starters, I've only heard one person use that exact word when SF was still airing.

>>154485406
Believe it or not, people on here tried to convince themselves that Gooseworx was "one of the good ones", I'm dead serious.

>>154488663
And that exact person was making threads about a series I never gave a shit about?

>>154488612
>>154488663
It's not industrycuck, it's the eleutheromania guy, who industrycuck used to team up with and copy phrases from due to their shared hatred for American conservatives, even if they have opposite reasons for it.

>>154489541
Of course, schizo teamups. How could I forget when Birchy also had such teamups? Man, this has got to be the most fucked board in all of 4chan.

>>154489541
>>154489768
Oh look, you found someone else you can yammer about without once discussing an idea from the person you're actually talking to...
>>154489686
Cooper Goodwin wrote the logic of his world. Since he's a cultist, of course his world's logic would be broken.

>>154489948
>he doesn't remember the time birchy was a stout famicom defender
I envy your ignorance.

>>154489988
Are you done being a small mind and talking about people yet?

>>154490026
>being a small mind
Talk about throwing stones in glass houses, you nuance hating repeater of the same few simplistic talking points day in and out.

>>154490113
>simplistic talking points
Yet still too complex for you to tackle with any effort.

>>154476683
no women, no trannies, no estrogen dominant individuals with fucked up endocrine systems

It's worth noting industrycuck spams his castration cult shit over multiple boards all day. There's something seriously wrong with him but /pol/ validates him so ge only gets worse over time.

>>154490257
>industrycuck
So you intentionally skipped over both >>154479210 and >>154488693. Curious as to why. I'm kidding, I know exactly why.

>>154490257
This isn't industrycuck, it's a former buddy of his.

>>154490303
>buddy
Is that what you've fallen back on now, all to frustrate discourse? You're still wrong, by the way.

>>154490314
He was the closest thing to a buddy you ever had on here afaik.