Our Great Great Granddaddy EditionPrevious thread: >>154450906
Will Viv have the balls to bring him back?
>>154482532Already happenedhttps://www.mercari.com/us/item/m11672942712/Season 3 seems to be a point where a lot of plot points are going to end. And new ones will begin.
Reposting here cuz I didn’t refresh to see we’d started a new thread. Sorry:The season 3 finale is going to probably be a reversal of fortunes of season one, where Eve is gonna succeed where Adam failed, especially if she’s riding high on whatever power Roo bestows her. (I’m assuming that cuz how else is she gonna pose a threat?)> A fight with Alastor where she gives him the butt kicking he seriously needs. Unlike Adam, she’s *not* sloppy. She’s anything but.> fight against Lucifer? If she’s Eve, then makes her the first sinner, and Luci can’t smite those.It’s probably gonna be a fight against Lilith we’re all expecting and will probably be the most epic fight that’ll make Adam vs Lucifer look like a street fight. Given her bird and even gargoyle motif, that’s what I’m expecting Eve to transform into: a giant demonic bird of prey.
The more look at Vaggie, the more I realized I really like her design but hate everything else about her.
>>154482566I’m so tired of Roo this. And Roo that. Why can’t literal God empower her instead and Roo responds to it in season 4.
>>154482566I'm not expecting Lute to do much in season 3. If we get an Eve reveal it will be toward the end. I love the idea of a Lilith v Eve fight but that's probably gonna be season 4 if it happens.
>>154482609No more fucking stalling.
>>154482626One more season of buildup, anon. One more season of Lute being battered around. Eve nuke drops in the finale. Two years of chaos ensue.
Why do Lute Eve fags want another round of stalling
>>154482640The fandom will go wild. Adam and Lute fans will be overjoyed and have a shit ton of art and fanfics in production. Lute lesbian truthers and Adamsapple fags will be in shambles. Eve self inserters that hate Lute will immediately walk back their statements. Abel X Lute shippers will be fucking miserable.
>>154482682Nobody really wants another round of stalling but Viv has a thing for edging us so we kinda expect it.
>>154482543What am I supposed to be looking at here that you're referring to?
>>154482712Look above Vaggie’s hair.
>I took the apple and suffered the pain of childbirth because of it, all for this whiny little shit
>>154482734Lute's disappointment with Abel makes a lot more sense if she's Eve.
>>154482734Was it worth it for Seth?
>>154482747Lute doesn’t act disappointed with Abel.Her mindset is someone that looks at Abel as a weak soldier with the expectations she has for the exorcists in her squad.
>>154482682It's not wanting it as much as expecting it. They confirmed Lute's arc will be LONG and she makes it all the way to season 5. Season 4 is most likely her 'big' season, her VA was posting about recording songs for it a few days ago.
>>154482748Maybe. We don't really know if he exists in Hazbin. I wouldn't mind more Adam kids over fuck ass hell OCs.
>>154482757I mean, it can be both, no?
>>154482765I would assume the villain arc ends at season 3 and the redemption arc starts there and ends at the final season.
>>154482757Nah. Check the way she talks about him with the Adam hallucination and insults him. There's definitely something going on there.
>>154482582Many are saying this>>154482599Because Viv doesn't trust that she can write God without fucking it up, which makes her more self-aware than Gooseworx at least.
>>154482789I honestly think she's not done simmering yet. Season 3 buildup with the backstory reveal, season 4 she is the villain and fucks things up, season 5 redemption arc and maybe Adam reunion.
>>154482789Actually I more imagine S3 is half buildup and then full villain fun. S4 first half is villain continuation and second half is redemption plus setting up Roo for S5.
>>154482582Her design is not great. Frankly her pilot design was slightly better because it stood out compared to her current one where she just blends in.
>>154482787Nah. It’s way too distinctive. Her reactions to Abel are overly shallow when it comes to his personhood. That it doesn’t seem like she has any real grudges agaisnt him.
>>154482813Nah. That sounds like a chore.
>>154482609Hmm, I could see her being the surprise villain of the finale, with the slow buildup of to her big reveal. And since season 3 does deal with Lucifer’s relationships if I recall correctly, having the mystery of Eve being alluded to throughout the season for her to become the boss battle of the finale could work.Season 3 might deal with her vendetta against the Morningstars, while Season 4 could be her grand design, her master plan. My guess? Mass genocide of mankind. Wipe the skate clean. She’ll fail, of course, but what a way to raise the stakes.
>>154482824Her current season 2 design is great. Far better hair than whatever was up with it in earlier seasons.
>>154482843It would fit with Viv's brand of blue balling.
>>154482848I could see S3 being a breather season with more lore and less action. The Val and Angel story will serve as the 'boss'. The Eden stuff might not have much combat.
Lute Eve shit makes me feel so disinterested. It has the flaws the show already has and makes them even worse.At least Lilith Eve is a plot that dies and is quickly moved on within one season. To get other topics that could be more interesting for people that wanted the weird concepts. Like the other worlds.
>>154482941You want Lute to be a bug.
>>154482941Quiet, schizo
>>154482961Feeding the husband and son a delicious home cooked meal of.... something
>>154482953Yes. Because it means we get a heaven concept that is actually cool and really relevant for once, completely new lore, and a really cool monster design that would have tons of beautiful and thematic fanarts. Centering most of the plot on omega static Eden characters is exhaustingly boring. Roo is boring.
Lute/Eve is definitely going to be backhanding Abel across the head with her golden hand. Like, routinely.“Aww, just like on earth…” Thwack!
>>154483127> Roo is boring.Roo isn’t even here yet!
>>154483282She’s already somewhat here. Being a corruption villain lurking from the background doing corruption things. And it’s already boring. She thinks just like Alastor, her bio son, and all they want to do is be evil and powerful and destroy others for fun. I wouldn’t mind if it was a two seasons show or even three seasons, but four and five seasons of this is just dragging it on.
>>154483324>Headcanon Alert
Abel being of someone with a Serpent Seed background is viewed incorrectly. It would mean that is the child that impacted Adam the most and changed him into an Angel akin to Lucifer, the golden musician Angel. It’s the seeds and dirt of misfortune leading to a beautiful garden Adam couldn’t have in a perfect world. So instead of the whole situation being of it would’ve been better if it never happened, it’s instead “Adam wouldn’t have Abel if God didn’t allow it to happen.” And this is a story that badly needs this message.
>>154484173You write like a pretentious twat.
>>154482582Her design is great and she has an awful lot of potential as a character beyond>Charlie's gfand>former exorcistI just wish we got to see it.
>>154484275There’s nothing pretentious about God giving a hurt man the most wonderful son. One that will change him forever. By his appearance, by his joys, and by his death.Doesn’t it make you cry to imagine Adam putting on a whole outfit just to look more like Abel? And he will give that kind of humble love to Lute as well?
>>154484339I think the most logical course of Vaggie’s character is having the opposite arc of Lute. Appearing good at first and then becoming much more villainous and heinous at the later seasons. Foreshadowed by the reds in her design and the lost sense of what is good and evil by her wings.
>>154484361Purple prose doesn’t make you sound more profound y’know, just annoying.
>>154484551I don’t sound profound. I am profound. And that is what I was gifted by God to understand his heart.If you were a mistake of this world, wouldn’t it better to know it was because he wanted to use you to create a much more beautiful dream?
>>154484654You’re a fucking jackass that’s what you are.
>>154485004Quite the opposite. I’m a little flower. Cared gently by bruised hands I can never see till my end.
>>154484390i think vaggi needs to have her own 'gravity' moment, except it ends with her realising she has no idea who she is without charlie and charlie's dream. i genuinely think a chaggi break-up arc is coming, however temporary, and vivzie has been training her entire life to survive the fandom wailing and cancellations for queerbaiting that will ensue until they're back together.
>>154485476Vaggi is the kind of character I could see interacting with Roo after the events of season 3, besides Emily. Or maybe they both will.
>Season 3 has Lute and Abel act as “evil angels” who ultimately act upon their love for Adam and what they believe God designed them to be. >Season 4 has Vaggi and Emily serve as direct servants of Roo after being completely disillusioned with Heaven and the Hazbin Hotel. Gold is an element of them rejecting their angelic nature. And Vel would love to work with them.Might be cool.
Serpent Seed Abel weirdly keeps making more sense.Of course he will be looking up to Lute and wishing he was more like her. He believes that was his destiny before he was born. And seeing her and what her and Exprcists do brings forth the purpose he felt he never fulfilled so long ago.
>>154485582adamsapple mpreg makes exactly as much sense.
>>154485618The point is the war between the devil’s seed and the woman’s seed. And Lucifer said he had those relations with Eve, never with Adam to mock him.But I should bring in the full prophecy because it’s going to make Abel from a cuck child, to someone Lucifer would wish was never born at all.>15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.In other words, in Hazbin Hotel, Abel is destined to exterminate Eve’s sinner armies and kick Lucifer’s ass. And Lilith Eve is a divine punishment from God to make Lucifer suffer, and he isn’t fooled or fearful of her, but instead sees her as a tool. She was never free as she thought.Somehow, the story is so subversive, it wraps all the way back to normalcy.
If you were there when matpat posted vocaroos you would know he sounds like Zim's special needs cousin so picture that whenever you read his posts
>>154485174>I’m a little flowerGay guys refer to themselves as that.
>>154485683No you fucking pretentious twat. It's the most stupid and meaningless plot point in ever.
>>154485691Him being an autistic retard is pretty predictable.
>>154485829What’s the raging? Shouldn’t you want God to actually be divinely mean?
>>154485848Genuinely go seek medical help MatPat. Your brain is literally fried.
>they pass the silhouette test
>>154485835It’s actually from hearing impairment. Blind men can’t draw good stick figures afterall. Doesn’t help that when you actually put into the research, barely anyone on this earth even understands how voices actually work. So many terms with barely anything on actual anatomy.
I misss the Lute Schizos.
>>154483046>legally food
>>154482961What a good wife and mother.
>>154482748Yes, 100%
Fun fact about Abel and Adam. Their eyes are actually different colors.Adam’s eyes are actually bright yellow.And Abel’s eyes are a reddish gold.
>>154486175It's literally the same colour.
>>154486169I want Cain or Seth to be the type that doesn't swear once. It would be pretty funny.
>>154486190No it isn’t.Abel’s eyes are BD8332Adam’s eyes are CDB456Lute’s eyes are EEC366Abel’s eyes are shockingly very distinctive from them.
>>154486169I actually thought about WoD Caine in Hazbin but all evidence shows Caine doesn't give a shit.As in everyone already forgive him and he is being a bitch....Hmm actually, here is the idea.>Redemption is possible, it has been possible since the beginning.>But only if Caine goes to Heaven the rest of Humans will be given the chance.>Charlie now must find Caine and somehow, after thousands of years, make him accept forgiveness and feel regret.
>>154486227>The show where shit is consistently off model has off model moments Truly an amazing discovery. Next on the news the sky is blue.
>>154486251I tested out another Abel picture and it was B88334Episode 5 turned out as B58531The finale turned out as D78431It’s the same golden dense red-orange eyes Abel and Lute lack.
>>154486291>Adam and Lute lack.Sorry for the slip up
Why doesn't Lucifer (or Charlie) get the Sins or Goetia to deal with Vox?
>>154486755Ha. Like they care.
>>154486755Because Charlie fucked up his go-to solution (getting the exorcists to deal with them) back in season 1.
Has anyone ever drawn Lute!Eve interacting with Lilith specifically?
>>154486842There is very little Lute!Eve art material out there (very sad). So you're probably not gonna find anything.
>>154485582Go away
>>154485988The problem is that the Lute-Eve reveal is so obviously correct that there's nothing more to really say about it after the past few threads. You can only repeat the same obvious facts to MatPat so many times before you get bored.
>>154486967Is there at least a master compilation of evidence to show to people who aren't Matpat?
>>154486967I guess. Still find the Lute Schizos fun to talk to since they actually engage in the conversation unlike MatPat.
>>154486983Maybe we should make a copy pasta or some theory and evidence document? Just as an instant MatPat shutdown and to save time.
>>154486941A shame. I think it would demonstrate how much Lute!Eve would make sense, visually, as a 'second try at a Lilith' but made from Adam's rib instead.
I don't get something.Is Charlie 20 years old, 200 years old or older? I can explain things like singing (everyone in Hazbin/Helluva sings) and even her optimistic and positive behaviour. But I don't get just how...obvious and blind she is. Plus I heard about stuff like Sins being her uncle and even babysitting her but that doesn't make sense since that would mean she actually spent time around them and never saw the fucked up things happening around Hell's rings, most involing those Sins themselves and their subjects
Reading these threads feel like reading a schizo's screed. Roo? Eve?? What?
>>154487127We have a very specific schizophrenic (MatPat) that usually shits up the thread. Unlike him the other Schizos actually explain what they are talking about without inserting their literal fanfic.
>>154487112Yeah the simple answer is Viv really didn't think this through. It's why we also have the underage Vaggie theory which is probably not correct but incredibly funny.
>>154487127This is technically the Hazbin Hotel presence on /co/ at the moment but in truth the regulars are a small subset of the fandom focused on one thing: the question of whether Adam's sidekick Lute is actually Eve (she probably is), and other things to do with Heaven and Eden. Roo is a character who's been teased by Vivziepop to appear in future seasons and may represent a kind of primal evil that predates Lucifer.Check out /hhg/ on /trash/ for varied discussion.
>>154487170>Check out /hhg/ on /trash/ for varied discussionThat place is mostly Fujo fetish city, Cuntboy Alastor and random lusting after the occasional female characters ( kinda rare).
>>154487127>>154487170Also you should note that local special needs schizophrenic Matpat peddles a separate and opposite theory that Lute isn't Eve but is instead secretly some kind of bug demon who Adam will redeem through marriage. Any reference to Lute being insectoid, having a carapace or having antenna is nothing to do with the Eve theory and neither is anything he says about 'serpent seed'
>>154487255We could try talking about Lilith but that also summons the autist. He just inserts his shit in the conversation regardless if it makes sense or not.
>>154487339If you are attracted to Homer, you should be sent to hell, so that fits.
What if the arm Lute lost is the one that took the apple?
>>154482731NTA, but that could just be Vaggie being haunted by her past and not a literal return of Adam. I mean I hope that you are right as Adam was the only good part of this show.
>>154487359I mean she was probably holding it with both hands. Not sure.
>>154487351I bet a non-zero percentage of Adamfags would fuck Homer Simpson.
>>154487112You're acting surprised that a sheltered and naive royal is indeed sheltered and naive?As for the age thing, that has yet to be determined in the show proper. Like with any numbers mentioned, it's better to take them as more of an implication than hard numbers, because otherwise the exorcists either sound horrible at their jobs or there's only like 100,000 sinners in Hell. Charlie's age, for example:>between 20 and 40>maybe older, but has the mindset of some within that age bracket along with being a naive royal
>>154485988I wonder if Looty caught a 3 day holiday from janny or something.
Abel's gonna turn into *such* a whipped Mama's boy post-reveal:> "Oh, a panic attack, huh? Well, I'll give you something to panic about!" (removes her golden arm and bludgeons him with it)
>>154487884Yeah I just don't think they're gonna have her straight up beat him. The false swipe at him before Gravity is as far as it will go.
>>154487884I don't blame Lute, given that Abel fingered her in front of everyone last episode.
>>154487989Why did he touch her there?
>>154487884>>154487967I'm more expecting more disappointed remarks. She already said he's weak and that he doesn't deserve his dad's crown. Pretty much disappointed mom mode.
>>154488054She's flat, and he's angry at how hard it was to nurse from her
>>154488591Nah. It was probably easier then. The changes post pregnancy probably got deleted after death so she went back to a smaller bust.
>>154487884It’s always impressive to me on how dependent people are on making Lute Eve to progress any kind of relationship with the character.
>>154489288Nobody cares about your take bro.
>>154489469They do. And so they step into the lowest boundaries possible to try to make them look bad.
>>154489655You out yourself so easily.
>>154488591He had to compete with his father too. Every time, and I mean every single fucking time she birthed another brat that man was like "SCORE, the bar is open"
>>154490289He also had to complete with me.
>>154490346Ok Cain.
https://x.com/fajnaf17064/status/2072652620708057442?s=46I mean, this looks pretty on point for what an Eden era Lute!Eve would look like. I was thinking maybe dark hair but I guess it’d fit the ‘bleached bone’ look she’s got going for her now.
Adam accidentally invented animal husbandry by catching wild sheep and goats to nurse his children so he could have delicious Eve milk all to himself. When Abel got older he thought 'hey I can do something with this'
Number. 1
>>154490482Number. 2
>>154490431Lute still looks too distinctive.
>>154490482>>154490498
>>154490498Abel is getting one soon. I can feel it.
>>154490289>>154490346>>154490380Adam probably a had moment of nonverbal bonding with baby Cain while the both of them were suckling breast milk.
>>154490435Truly the best father ever.
>>154488449the creativity people have playing around with adam's design without really fundamentally changing it is wonderful. i love how easily he flips between a human, an angelic being and a creature with just poses. can't do that shit with lucifer, who i must once again remind everyone looks like a onceler-fied adult onion from steven universe.
>>154491133The Human turned Angel having the superior design that allows for more creativity than the fallen angel that's supposed to be the Morningstar is weirdly poetic.
>>154491234It’s something that wouldn’t have ever happened if Lucifer never gotten involved. He created his own perfect replacement.Supposedly Lucifer was supposed to be up for defending lower hierarchy angels. Like Lute.Imagine if his involvement in Adam’s death actually ended up with Adam coming back as a higher angel than Lucifer. That’s what this little guy deserves.
>>154491133He's a gorgeous thing. I too love how easily he flips between an attractive human man and some kind of creature that's vaguely birdlike but not totally. The fact he's supposed to be the first human only adds to it. Something something speaking to the animal in all of us
It’s honestly impressive that when we did get expansions to Heaven the concepts and designs brought forth are extremely mid.
>>154488449The artist also posted some closeups which I enjoy
>>154491417Lute has a bit of a beastly look about her too
>>154491385He’s the only character that actually feels like and looks like an elite angel and also somehow fits perfectly back into being the bodiment of humanity.
>>154491324>Supposedly Lucifer was supposed to be up for defending lower hierarchy angels. Did Viv say this? I'm not really feeling it since Lucifer created the absolute mess that is Hell's cast system. He does not strike me as a champion of the lower hierarchy angels. Especially since Hazbin makes him a seraphim but also supremely unqualified.
>>154491385Weirdly enough he reminds me of Howl ( from Ghibli's Howl's Moving Castle) with his bird demon transformations. Especially in the second half where he becomes significantly larger and more inhuman.
>>154491468Yes. She did. And if Lucifer is that much of a fraud, then Lilith should be just as much.
>>154491494The main girl of that movie has some serious image issues that Lute might be facing. But I wonder if Adam goes by a inhuman image because its important to him just as Howl is fixated on his looks.
>>154491494i see it too! if we ever get 'sinner adam' i hope he's a beast. i swear sometimes adam's collar kinda looks like a neck fur ruff, like that pilot dragon concept art, especially in the purple version with the slight jagged edges.
>>154491500Does she not see how the "hero of the lower angels" doesn't work for him after showing how he structured hell and how incompetent he is? It's like having a guy be kicked from parliament before he could make any reforms and he fucks off to some remote island and creates a nightmare caste state. You can't expect us to believe this guy was a champion of the people. Adam fits the bill better since he seems to actually interact with lower hierarchy angels and you could easily build him as sympathetic towards them since he was a basic human once.
>>154491324>Supposedly Lucifer was supposed to be up for defending lower hierarchy angels. Like Lute.Is Vivi making up shit outside the show again? There is more evidence that Adam is the champion of lower ranking Angels than Luci"I created Hell where Imp lives don't matter and there is a caste system"fer
>>154491538I hope so too. I like this design
>>154491572I wouldn’t be surprised if the Lilith Eve plotline is ultimately about how Lilith was also a failure for thousands of years (she aided him) and Lu thought she suddenly became a much more competent person by distancing herself from him around the time Charlie was born.
>>154491593It’s more like she has this crap for season 3 and never thought once to implement those ideas to season 2, making it even more like a filler movie.
>>154491612MatPat you are ruining the discussion with your shilling. If you can't control yourself shut the fuck up.
>>154491636You can't even excuse S2 being filler for that since the issue stems from Helluva Boss's existence as a show. We have an entire show on why Lucifer ain't a champion of the people. Fuck even S2 shows that by how hard he fumbled during Vox's big rally.
>>154491669The discussion isn’t ruined. It actually explains why Lilith suddenly became relevant when her and her sugar daddy failed to connect with sinners and rule Hell for thousands and thousands of years to create a much worse version of heaven.
Vivziepop secretly comes here to get writing ideas for the new seasons, but only from matpat
>>154491385He is legitimately the only interesting character.His next greatest competitors are;Alastor, who is a "ohhh mysterious" potential man who potentialed all over the floor when it was revealed he was just a slave of some cunt that isn't even Lilith. (Also, racists stereotypes all over the place from Alastor to Rosie. How did Vivi miss it I have no idea)Charlie, who was revealed to suffer brain damage, seeing her actionsLucifer, who was revealed to be a lobotomized retard who got turned into a battery, that gets worse and worse thanks to Helluva Boss
>>154491742Did you mean to exclude Lute or is she wrapped up in Adam as a package deal?
>>154491738Nah even she knows how stupid his ideas are. Plus his misogyny probably gives her the ick.
>>154491756The two are kinda tied together at this point. It weirdly interesting. Might relate to something down the line. Wink wink.
>>154491764Viv is the main source of the misogyny featured in the shows.
>>154491756Wrapped up to Adam mostly.By herself Lute is Vaggie for Adam but without being a traitor.
>>154491780You could say she's a part of him. His rib, even
>>154491782Yeah but she's more subtle and has funny misogyny unlike MatPat. He's just the sad misogynistic type.
>>154491803By how?
>>154491756Lute Eve is basically static that for some reason never remembers how Adam was impacted by Abel’s death. She has another identity unrelated to Abel’s past and that leaves absolutely nothing to work with.
>>154491792Exactly
>>154491828MatPat. Nobody cares.
>>154491782You know, it is incredibly funny that she basically made most of the cast in Hell LGBTQ+, turning most of the serial killers, rapists, cannibals and more into "represantation" and "diversity"Does she realize it I wonder?
>>154491868Ultimately God writes the script.
>>154491868The fact that Hell has the gays, the rapists, the racists, the homophobics and murderers yet she expects us to feel bad that Exterminations are a thing is very questionable.
>>154491914Pretty sure Viv is just kinda retarded. Her show would have probably worked better if it was a Fosters home for imaginary friends type setting. You get to fill it with unique OCs an all sorts of wacky characters. The Heaven and Hell elements are way to complicated for the type of show she's building up.
>>154491914I just expected her to make a "subtle" message by making it so that all the -ists and -phobics end up in Hell. Not only to show how being LGBTQ+ doesn't make you evil or deserving of Hell but also to own the "chuds"But then she probably couldn't have done the redemption stuff with it since she can stomach killers, rapists and cannibals but not redeeming them.
>>154491994Wasn’t Angel Dust making sexist and racist comments to Vaggie in the pilot
>>154492008Yeah but he is trans, gay whatever that is raped (and made to suffer to the point that I think Vivi takes personal pleasure from it) regularly and has a sad backstory...while being the gooner bait.(Plus people for some reason ignore he was in the mafia)
>>154491954The setting should’ve been post-apocalyptic earth.
>>154492008Yup. People tend to ignore it since he's a fag. Same for Blitzo.
>>154492037Anything is better than picking Heaven and Hell.
>>154492036It reminds of how Abel is treated like he does no wrong when he was acting like an ass in his debut scene at Lute and in his second episode to Lute and Emily.I guess if a boy is cute, pink, and white, they can do anything and still be categorized as pure hearted wobbies cause they act sad at times.
>>154492093Seems like everyone gets a pass ( except Adam).
>>154492093'Woobie'. The word is 'woobie', Matpat.
>>154492137Really. I always thought they pronounced two Bs.
>>154492103It’s always odd they forget how close Abel actually follows after Adam, the extermination promoter, and wants to follow after Lute. The two characters they love to villainize a lot.
I love engrish
>>154492304You can tell it’s Japan by the art
>>154492326Truly amazing. Bless the land of the rising sun.
>>154492304Is Adam popular in Japan? If so, based.
If season 3 is all about revealing the class systems to Charlie to traumatize her, would you laugh?
>>154492408his japanese VA does a fantastic job dubbing him and i really wish i could see an actual translation and not the english script.
>>154492284Abel actually putting some effort to become like his parents after Adam died would be pretty fun.
>>154492304Dick the first man
>>154492420Link? Pls.
>>154492421I actually think Abel was already doing Adam.But with Lute it’s like he has a mommy for once that wants him to do something instead of putting him down.
>>154492417>If season 3 is all about revealing the class systems to Charlie to traumatize herShe should already know about it. That's where the whole " how old is she" question comes from. Even if she's 20 something she would still notice the overall class issue.
>>154492463She’s a princess of two delusional retards.
>>154492441Lute is Eve MatPat. That's literally his Mom. She's just putting another desperate effort to make him less of a coward pussy little bitch so he can help her avenge Adam.
>>154492474Pretty sure she's the princess of one delusional retard and a woman who couldn't be bothered to give a shit. Lilith probably understands what she's doing is fucking awful. She just doesn't care. She's not a good mom and there will be no wifeswap crap to excuse her shit behaviour.
>>154492494That honestly doesn’t really make sense to me. We’ve seen how Lute acts. It’s far from negligence and would’ve been something Abel would’ve picked up if she ever raised him. Plus, it makes all of the Adam hates Abel comments really bizarre if she was with Adam when Abel died. I doubt Lute would ever say anything remotely like it if she saw how Adam reacted to the situation.
>>154492434if you watch on prime you can just adjust the language (though like i said not an accurate translation, just the english script), but otherwise you're gonna need to scrounge for clips on youtube. unfortunately imo lute's a little weaker in japanese.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rvz06ihvMYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=leu4BsnXdUQhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouzpJk1_dOkalastor vs adam:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-QWizTPEd0more general show clips:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjbK-b6z5X4
>>154492524I dunno. Abandoning your family for decades to dine on human meat sounds pretty bad to me
>>154492494I bet the point of the Exorcist girl that resembles Abel is going to be the reveal she became the new top girl after Vaggie lost her post. To show that Lute can form Abel into what he wants to be.
>>154492684>Abandoning your family for decades to dine on human meat sounds pretty bad to meNot sure if Adam was tapping that. Plus seven years of taking Adam meat ain't exactly decades.
>>154492764It is funny that by all accounts, Lilith just had a 7 year vacation all the while Lucifer got depressed and Charlie...become Charlie. (Which will be even worse if Charlie is revealed to be 20 or so year old)Vivi is misogynistic.Maybe Lilith really wanted to get fucked by the Dickmaster.
>Vaggie’s ex Exorcist GF becomes Abel’s closest associate
>>154492847She's actually supposed to be Abel's new girlfriend. Lute took her to straight correction mind control training so Abel could have a girl and the two of them would have disgusting tooth gap makeout sessions.
>>154492838it makes sense - their genitals were probably designed to perfectly match each other, meaning whatever lucifer had to offer couldn't scratch that one specific itch for thousands of years unless he shapeshifted to match adam's dick. at the same time though, i don't think adam would want to touch her - whatever satisfaction he'd get from stealing her back would be outweighed by the fun of denying her what she wants. he'd have fun putting her in the cuck chair while he slams lute though.
>>154492838>Maybe Lilith really wanted to get fucked by the Dickmaster.If Viv really wants to make Radioapple cannon I expect this to be the excuse. It's ok for Lucifer to have gay sex with men because Lilith betrayed his trust by taking Adam dick in heaven.
>>154492876Would it be crazy if Vaggie and Emily ended up being shipped together
>>154492677>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rvz06ihvMY [Embed]You know, I just realized that Adam was actually seriously listening for half a minute.Until he had enough of stick figures and Charlie being Charlie
>>154492917Adam bad
>>154492917Him getting fed up with Charlie's retardation is pretty understandable. Who genuinely is making such a pitch with literal crayon stick figure drawings. She's also unorganized as shit.
>>154492932Adam good.
>>154492889Lilith was stupid for leaving Adam in the first place. He was a sweetie and she broke his heart. She deserves what she gets.
>>154492945Excuse her, Lucifer dropped her on her head while messing with his ducks
>>154493039Imagine having this thing as your sister
>>154493049Honestly a miracle they didn't have more kids. Or that if Lilith was taking Adam Dick in heaven she never ended up pregnant. Imagine the sheer fucking suffering of having Charlie be your older half sibling.
>>154493004True
>>154493086There’s the horrible possibility of Abel being Charlie’s full sibling.
>>154493086I do wonder, how did it take at least 10.000 years to have a single child?Like, was Lilith that much of a dom that she pegged Lucifer without giving him a single chance until 20-200 years ago?If so, Adam dodged a bullet there.
>>154493184Miracle birth or surrogate mom
Imagine being one of two humans in existence and the mate who was made for you still runs off with another guy. That must hurt.
>>154493150No MatPat. Fuck off. Nobody cares about you shilling your fanfiction.
>>154493189Wonder of there's an AU where Lilith stayed with Adam. Probably still got tricked into eating the apple and getting kicked out of the Garden since Lucifer is retarded. Would be interesting to see how different the events would be. Like would a Cain and Abel like incident happen? How different would be humanity?
>>154493186...*puts the tin foil hat*Adam is the father of Charlie.Yes, there is not even a hint of it. Yes, it doesn't make sense.
>>154493184Lest be fully honest it could also be Lucifer's fault here.>Lilith: Lucifer can we please have normal sex for once?>Lucifer: No. Put on that duck costume and peg me with that corkscrew penis strap on.
>>154493277Like Adam got Lucifer pregnant through Mpreg magic or Lilith went and fucked Adam and Lucifer used some magic to infuse fetus Charlie with Hell energy and angelic magic?
>>154493295You know what they say.>Corkscrew penises, first evolved in ducks. Who were rightfully considered the best molesters in all the animal kingdom. Jeffrey was no exception.That's the reason why Lilith left for Adam
I wonder if Adam took some time to warm up to Eve because of his bad experience with Lilith plus the angels putting him to sleep to get his rib
>>154493362Maybe. The Angels also dropping another blonde woman probably did not help the guy.
what's that about ducks?...Lucifer you fuck. "Ducks' bizarre genitalia is a result of a sexual arms race. Forced mating is common among ducks, so while males' long, flexible penises increase their chances of successfully fertilising a female, the females' anticlockwise vaginas give them a level of control."Those complex structures prevent full eversion of the penis of unwanted males, so their sperm ends up closer to the cloacal entrance where the females can get rid of it more easily."
>>154493362He would be fine it as long she doesn’t also get with the devil.
>>154493353Understandable.
>>154493410Sex is a maze
>>154493423I have a feeling a Lute-Eve reveal will kill a lot of interest in Guitarqueen since it mostly seems to revolve around the idea of Adam rekindling interest in Lilith because Eve also left him. If it turns out Eve never left him at all then that's less interesting.
>>154493410They picked rubber ducks to be Lucifer's obsession because they wanted to give him an autistic interest. Apparently some writer saw a rubber duck and thought that was fun. Probably did not have a lot of animal knowledge since ducks are renowned rapist who will sometimes kill females by dog piling them in an attempt to mate or raping other juvenile ducks.
>>154493460Lilith-Eve will have tons of toxic flowertunes fics for the crazy girls to love.
>>154493460Yeah that would be pretty tragic. Adam actually trying to reconnect out of loneliness with Lilith. Maybe having some actual success while Lute is forced to watch because she can't reveal her true identity.
>>154493479No MatPat.
>>154493460GuitarQueen ain't really that popular already. Don't know how hard it would be nuked.
>>154482734>>154482503Why does Vivzie make everyone in this show say Adam was the first human soul in heaven when his son who gets murdered (becoming the first person to ever die) is also a character in this show
>>154493555No idea but before Abel was revealed, everyone was making better headcanons than Vivi.Some said Abel's soul was lost since his was the result of the first murder, some said Abel waited until Adam (or Eve) arrived to Heaven etc.
>>154493555Viv might be dumb. Abel could also have been a pretty late addition to the plot.
>>154493546The artist who makes most of the GuitarQueen porn at least is primarily a Guitarspear shipper who in their headcanon makes Adam and Lilith have a fling in the time between Eve leaving him and Lute meeting him.
>>154493497It was in the leaks. Season 1 merch. And in a Lilith flashback. And we have a Lillith on a white board that isn’t yet explained. Plus, Abel continues to be a huge obstacle to the Lute Eve agenda by how he would be the first victim of evil humans that will become sinners. And that has no relevance or meaning to Lute and her pain, and how she understands Adam.
>>154493546I ship it. I would love a semi-comedic, semi-tragic romance story about Lilith wanting to be with Adam again during the 7 year period.
>>154492665>Headcanon Alert
>>154493555My guess is that Abel is an inhuman soul by having a inhuman parent. So he’s disqualified from the title because of a feature he probably hates himself a lot for.
>>154493546yeah it's almost impossible to find actual guitarqueen content on ao3, since it's used as a background pairing for like all fics that have anything to do with eden. >>154493555my theory is that since this was pre st.peter, nobody was at the gate to greet abel. he was too scared to go through the gates until adam went first.
>>154493636I would think that before Peter, Emily was the original gal who brought in souls from earth to heaven. And her current purpose was changed to address the increased complications of the winner system. And Adam met her soon after.
>>154493636>yeah it's almost impossible to find actual guitarqueen content on ao3, since it's used as a background pairing for like all fics that have anything to do with eden.Any suggestions?I only know Adam's Second Chance where Adam is a Sinner but Lilith is taking care of him and Lucifer is about to get cucked by the looks of it.
>>154493611Which artist exactly?
>>154493614>>154493635Nobody cares MatPat. Go shill your fanfic somewhere else.
>>154493691unfortunately not - like i said, it's almost always featured as a background/unimportant beyond a throwaway 'oh btw adam definitely abused lilith' line or too, and yet it gets tagged anyway. can't be assed sifting through it all, especially since you can't filter out lilith/lucifer since that's always mentioned and tagged too.
>>154493627I kinda like it. It can be definitely written well.
>>154493461>ducks are renowned rapist who will sometimes kill females by dog piling them in an attempt to mate or raping other juvenile ducks.Based
>>154493727Saucymist. >>154492764 They have a reputation for being the guitarqueen artist because it's a less popular ship but guitarspear is their real ride or die.
>>154493749SA which is why my preferred morningstar/adam pairing of choice is guitarprincess, even if some of the fics are absolute garbage. it's just easier to find.
>>154493691Yup. It's been getting consistent but sporadic updates lately. Liking it so far.
>In season 3, the direct children of Adam thrown a party>Abel wants to go to it but on the sign, it says “humans souls only”.>He looks awkwardly at Lute and his siblings that just shown up.>Lute notices the sign and just does an annoyed frown.>”Oh sorry, miss Lute… They-‘ve never told me…”>The main handler shows up. It’s Seth.>”Hey… You’re not supposed to-“>The conversation between Seth and Abel gets heated till Abel just pushes him down and almost yeets off Seth’s wings to make him to help him fit into the party.>The episode gets Abel and Lute thrown out.>Lute looks at Abel and feels proud of him. Thinking he was doing this for her.
>>154493691>>154493749If you wanna look for GuitarQueen stuff you gotta search the old fics. Issue is a lot of them are pre S2 so some stuff is kinda noncannon anymore. There's was also one where Adam got time travel thrown back in Eden but I'm not sure if gonna be getting any more updates since writers block.
>>154493749My suggestion is this.Filter out M/MSet the word count to at least 20.000This magically removes like 90% of Hazbin Hotel fics.
>>154493809No MatPat. Nobody cares about your shitty fanfic. Go shill that shit on Reddit.
>>154493742>reasonable counterpoints and explanations >somehow causes rageYou are definitely possessed by a demon. It’s probably in your back.
Lute has got some fat, squeezable cheeks
>>154493899She's so fucking cute
>>154493890If you genuinely think everyone who calls you a retard who can't write for shit is possessed by a demon you must be living during the Apocalypse.
>>154493809WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU EVEN SAYINGWHAT AM I LOOKING ATI DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT I'M LOOKING AT
>>154493916What you do is literally an end times sign. Constantly offended by anything.
>>154493926It's MatPat just ignore him. He lives in a completely different reality where he thinks the show is written by him and not Vivziepop.
>>154493926It’s a party for humans and Lute can’t go because she doesn’t count.
>>154493952Quiet
>>154493932I'm not offended you dunce. I'm pointing out you are severely mentally disabled. I'm telling you to seek professional medical help. You're not the first patient who refuses treatment because he genuinely thinks he knows better. I deal with suicidal "geniuses" like you constantly.
>>154493952Actually she can secretly go because she's Eve. She just doesn't because it would blow her cover.
>>154493981Okay. You are definitely offended. Call for Jesus to help you cause there’s nothing else you can do.
>>154493995She’s too disconnected from Abel and the family for me to see that picture.
>>154493809Man, the white knighting for Lute by her fans just gets downright weird at times.Like, we’re seriously trying to make her victim of hierarchical system, when… she *is* the freaking system! She’s the one wearing the boot and kicking down!And no, I don’t think Jim Crow laws are a thing in heaven, call me nuts.And people will say, “But she was disrespected in Episode 2!” You mean when she was having a blood thirsty public meltdown in front of the heavenly top brass, proving to Sera exactly why she was unfit to lead the Exorcists?!>>154492093He give shit back literally minutes after being publicly insulted by her. Turnabouts fair fucking play, dontcha think? But no, it’s Lute, we gotta keep pulling excuses out her asses as to why she’s the real victim.Seriously, what happened to supporting women’s rights AND women’s wrongs?!
>>154494027Silence, blasphemer
>>154494064Just do what I say.
>>154494085Filth
Can you guys just chill
>>154494063Lute is treated like an enforcer and nothing else.They did this whole court meeting a month after Adam died and did nothing to help her and never told her anything beforehand. They don’t respect her at all. And never will. Even Abel’s whole thing up there is ultimately trying to make himself Emily’s favorite boy. He doesn’t care about being nice to sinners.
>>154494063Looty?
>>154494117That is perfect.
>>154494206MY BABY
>>154494206Wife carrying her husband.
>>154494063You're mostly talking to MatPat. Ignore him since he is retarded.
>>154494063>And people will say, “But she was disrespected in Episode 2!” You mean when she was having a blood thirsty public meltdown in front of the heavenly top brass, proving to Sera exactly why she was unfit to lead the Exorcists?!As I always tell people who ask, “why is no one helping Lute?” BECAUSE SHE’S ACTIVELY PUSHING EVERYONE AWAY.Even Sera and Emily try to reason and reach out to her, but she does nothing but lash out in response. Sera showed for more patience for her whiny bullshit than she had to. She gave publicly them every justification for not promoting her. It’s the Anakin Skywalker scene all over again.
The speaker’s reaction to Lute’m saying she’s the head exorcist makes a lot more sense when she’s actually confused that no one cared enough to tell Lute she wasn’t the head exorcist in literal heaven.
>>154494270>I care after a month of ignoring you. And don’t even try again.Very good angel ladies.
>>154494299What do you mean they “ignored” her? Look, the one month time skip is just an arbitrary mechanism for the plot to create breathing room so it doesn’t make it look like things are moving too quickly.I’ll tell you this much: if Lute was not a hot goth chick, she wouldn’t have HALF the white knights she currently has looking to defend every single thing she does.I’ve seen people use the scene of her shoving past people on the sidewalk as ‘evidence’ of how “disrespected” she is. Like, what the fuck are we doing here?
>>154494357Sinners are bad.Sera and Emily are delusional idiots that fumbled so hard Heaven was almost blown to pieces by a single sinner.And Adam was a teddy bear Heaven accidentally given to Lute because they don’t care about her until she makes a scene.
>>154494357>I’ve seen people use the scene of her shoving past people on the sidewalk as ‘evidence’ of how “disrespected” she is. Like, what the fuck are we doing here?The framing of this scene is supposed to make you feel bad for her and how alone she is, anything else is vast overcorrection for the sake of trying to stick it to the tiny handful of people who think she genuinely did nothing wrong
>>154494398Doesn’t Abel also seem deeply alone?
>>154494414Silence Matpat or I'll put you in the wiggler
I saw someone here ask, “but shouldn’t Abel be able to pick up cues or hints that Lute is the woman who raised him?”Good question. Here’s how I see it:> It’s been thousands upon thousands of years since Abel entered heaven as a young man. Is isn’t a stretch to say he can barely remember much about his mother, down to what she looks like. It’s not like they had photos or recordings from back then.> We don’t know what Eve was like back when she was alive. If we’re going from the happy garden girl to what Lute is now, Eve on Earth might have been somewhere in the middle. If Lute cultivated herself, she wouldn’t allow Abel to pick up who she is. That’s the whole point of being incognitas.
>>154494467Abel has very clear memories of his mom or his siblings being bad to him that Adam had to step in.
>>154494467The real question is why would Lute Eve act like Adam never loved Abel or reacted badly at Abel’s death.
>>154494497Where was that? All I recall him saying is ,”too bad I’m not your braver son.” That’s it.>>154494517Well, the apparition said “never liked”. Oddly enough, it isn’t the same as “never loved” or cared about. Too many dads will get this.He probably did still look down on Abel for being meek. And Lute Eve is also using this to justify her own anger at Abel for the same reasons.And yes, if we do go along with the idea Abel might be Lucifer’s son, I can see why she might want to hear him say that.
>>154494467Heck, it’s entirely possible Abel may have an idea or already figured it out. It’s implied Adam might have too.
>>154494603First guy you replied to was MatPat. He's fucking delusional and think his fanfic is cannon. So take everything he says as literal insane headcanon.
>>154494603>Where was that? All I recall him saying is ,”too bad I’m not your braver son.” That’s it.The beginning lines talk about what Adam would’ve done.“Let me stop right there” is when Abel enacts a moment he remembers from Adam.And with Abel seemingly making Lute the mommy substitute, it’s most likely aimed towards Eve abusing Abel.
>>154494686Fuck off MatPat. Nobody cares about your shitty fanfic. We're actually discussing the show here.
>>154494414Honestly, I can see it.He doesn’t have his father, mother, Cain, and it’s not hard to imagine he’s estranged from his other siblings due to them being born and living their lives after his death. He’s probably acquaintances with them at best.And if the show does pursue Serpent Seed, I hope he outright rejects both Lucifer and Charlie for the pain the former caused his family, Eve especially. And I wouldn’t blame him at all.
>>154494603Never liked is not a good phrase at all. How would that suddenly transfer to loving Abel at all? That’s just confusing.
>>154494696Honestly I think serpent seed is just pure crap. It removes the interesting element that Abel's faults and failures are his own. There's no need for secret child conspiracy. He just doesn't act like the rest of his family and that got him ostracized. He's not Adam favourite son because he never had the guts to actually try to impress his dad.
>>154494756You act like a Helluverse Cain.
What happened to nyochandesuyo? I can't find their bluesky account. Are they still active
>>154494782MatPat can you talk like a fucking normal person and actually stick to show material instead of shitting out any dumb idea that comes through your mess of a brain?
>>154494696Serpent Seed Abel being handled in the care of an unrelated Lute and Adam.
>>154494802A lot of their stuff on rule 34 seems hidden. Like if you check tags you'll see a lot less art than the result numbers.
>>154494822No MatPat. Stop being a weirdo.
>>154494807What is this obsession over Abel being a coward when he could have quit his scary handle Exorcists and war against Hell job at any time?
>>154494866He's literally a coward who was shitting his pants while Lute was beating Vaggie and the might of Lilith was going ape shit. I know you don't watch the show MatPat but you can't larp this hard.
>>154494933Oh yes.Cause going from early earth to Heaven and Hell wars is such an easy step when no one even tries to prepare you to do the job. The only things encouraging him are a dead Adam and a currently crazed Lute.
Can you two just get each other's Discord handle and fuck privately?
>>154495084Rage sex has biblical consequences.
>>154494270>Even Sera and Emily try to reason and reach out to her, but she does nothing but lash out in response.When? like when Sera told her not to speak to the Speaker then refused to hear her out after publicly humiliating her (when she had a month to tell her privately she wasn't going to lead the army)?When did Emily try to comfort her ever?
>>154495430Sera is so selfish I can’t wait till her sister falls down to hell.
Istg Lute haters will give the most face value reading of Lute's dilemma ever and think we're not supposed to feel bad for her when Viv herself confirmed the correct reading of Abel's expression at the end of S2 is guilt for the way he yelled at her and called her a bitch. She's bad and we're supposed to feel bad for the way everyone around her is treating her, both things are true. This is the anyone can be redeemed show
>>154495551They hate Lute because she makes their brown angels look bad.
>>154495580I don't need your input
Lute is going to be the only character with a Good redemption arc.
>>154494357People liked Lute when they thought she was an inhuman bird chick and made babies out of her and Adam with that appearance.
Has anyone noticed that Lute and Lilith tend to show up together when they’re teased as villains.The Lilith reveal happens when Lute said she was in charge now. Gravity was sung upon a second Lilith reveal.They are also the main females to represent Heaven and Hell and those two systems are meant to be explored in season 3. Purple and green is a distortion of Adam’s death outfit of purples and gold. Lilith is purple. Lute is gold.
>>154495430like when Sera told her not to speak to the Speaker“You will Not speak to the speaker *this way!”* Because yeah, her behaviour in front of the speaker was out of line and disrespectful. Funnily enough, you normally don’t just get away with throwing a bloodthirsty freak out in public and expect people to listen to you.> refused to hear her out after publicly humiliating her (when she had a month to tell her privately she wasn't going to lead the army)?Lute humiliated herself by her prolonged temper tantrum and grand standing. And refused to hear her out? Lute got away a lot longer with her bullshit in that chamber for far longer than most other angels would have. (It’s why I’m convinced Sera knows the truth)And yeah, you’re right, Sera and Emily should have told her sooner and in private. That was wrong on their part. However, it only came out publicly because of Lute’s continuous grandstanding which prompted Abel to chip in.> When did Emily try to comfort her ever?Let me clarify. Sera and Emily did try to reason and get her to listen to reason (“lute, this is a sign…”, “lute, this changes things” to which she responded to her literal ruler by screaming “THIS CHANGES NOTNING!” etc) but she outright refuses and kept spouting her bile.>>154495551You’re right, both can be true. I love Lute as a character, but she is a monstrous person who wants to do horrific things. And yes, she is written with enough humanity that I can feel her grief. And yeah, the rest of the world isn’t helping - Sera and Emily Should have told her sooner and privately before she made a fool of herself, but I think that was more for writing convenience more than anything.There are shades of grey here, of course there are, but it’s still 70/30 more on Lute.
>>154496056The entire they have about Lute is applied to Abel as well because they never think once about the fact his dad is dead and the closest person he can relate to is Lute. That guy is going to drive the titantic to the ice berg when they’re not looking, and they will not notice it because he’s better at being a politician.
>>154496056>lost the love of her life>lost her arm>her peers are taking the sinners' side despite the fact that she's the only one who's ever been to Hell and seen what they're actually likeI would have a public meltdown if I were Lute too.
>>154496056The thing is this is not just a freakout about being proved wrong. This is a freakout because she recently had the only person she ever loved die in her arms (something that shouldn't even be possible based on her worldview up to that point). The people who should be caring about that are now brushing it aside to focus on somebody who was until recently their enemy. Her freakout is madness born of extreme and devastating grief. Nobody there is taking that into account. Sera saying "this changes things?" Definitely doesn't change that Adam died in her arms a month ago. Of course she's not going to listen to that?
>>154496340The only one that actually understands her is Abel.And the winners of Heaven in the season 2 finale are not overlooking the destruction that just happened like Sera and Emily are doing.
Sera and Emily are focusing on the wrong thing entirely when they try to convince Lute that she should calm down now that redemption is possible because quite clearly she's melting down spectacularly because Adam Fucking Died
>>154496419Those two are destined to get rolled over by the Abel they hired.
Honestly Sera should have removed Lute from the meeting and spoken to her privately later about Adam. Not about Sir Pentious or redemption or anything except how she's feeling about the death of Adam. Not doing that is a gross failure of leadership AND compassion on Sera's part which will come back to bite her later.No Matpat do not chime in with some bit about how she'll regret not doing the same with Abel or something
>>154496693The whole set up with Sera feels like she’s meant to be punished and replaced because she is way too selfish for the job. Doesn’t help that when Lute is calling for the Speaker, Sera goes up and hogs the Speaker all for herself. It’s no wonder the speaker refused to give Sera any clear answers and just spams exterminations and exorcists on her face.
>>154494729If you've never dealt with a father who's constantly embarrassed by his whimpy son, but still loves him, you haven't met many fathers.
>>154495620What's to redeem?
>>154496998Her arc ends with pregnancy
>>154496980Abel literally killed his own best pet and Cain just threw a bunch of greens to the ground.Cain was the actual wimp.
Vox is a played a rubber ducky: https://youtube.com/shorts/D-rnFZf9-WQ?si=j8isSdtkjhPpJWRP
>>154497503These "same voice actor" videos are so fucking cringe. Wow, actors who specialize in using their voices have range.Shocking.
>>154482503
>>154497738She's totally fucked Sera before
>>154497783I mean who wouldn't?
>>154490482>>154490498>We're criminals at large, but I'm at largerthan you>I'm number 1>You're number 2>I believe in equality, as long as you get less than me
>>154497811Men
>>154497846Well, no, men definitely would if they could, she just wouldn’t let them.
>>154497019True
>>154497332Wtf are you talking about you nutjob?
>>154498632Boids
>>154498815The sacrifices Abel and Cain made. The core reason why Cain went up to Abel and killed him in the first place.
This show is going to need its third season to actually pay off the build ups and mysteries from the first and second season and start new arcs to actually be satisfying.Obviously, not all of them, but Angel, Lilith, and Lute.
>>154498957S2 was mostly filler with the random TV man side quest. It was originally supposed to explain some of the mystery shit but they chose to dedicate that season to Fujo baiting and leave all the important shit for S3.
>>154498990I wonder if it’s because season 1, 2, 3 were a full series on their own. And 2 was spread out a bit into 2 and 3, and 3 was split into 4, 5, or/and 6.
>>154498990My guess is that OG S2 had way too much content in it that Lute and Abel, Charlie and Lucifer, Alastor and Vox, and Angel Dust and Husk had to squeeze out a huge portion of their development into Vox season, so that there will be more room for a better paced story in Lilith season.
>>154499681I'm so sorry.
>>154482503why xitter has a burning hatred at viziepop?
>>154500109Twitter is very dumb
>>154500156>Adam was made in the image of God>Adam has the biggest asshmmm...
>>154500179Adam won a tournament about it. He won the Biggest Bush tournament too but I'm not sure I can post the celebratory artwork on /co/
>>154500208Use the catbox.
>>154500109Why does /co/?
>>154493004Should have let her top him
>>154493184I think they aren't supposed to have children at all and Charlie is their miracle baby
>>154500251Maybe he did later on.
>>154500236I'll just share the originalhttps://xcancel.com/chrustlin/status/2046313598641991936
>>154500257Lucifer was just being a fag and wouldn't fuck unless Lilith destroyed his bussy while dressed as a duck and wearing a corkscrew penis strap on. She eventually got tired of his shit and took a vacation to Heaven.
>>154500269Lol at the person tagging Scientology and the Mormon church in the replies
>>154500280Well God did speak to Moses through the form of a burning Bush. Cutting that jungle down there might technically be blasphemy.
>>154498782I'd quite happily accept being turned into a w*man (temporarily) if I got to fuck Sera. Granted, I'd prefer to do it as a man so as to not have my brain chemistry fucked with on account of (temporarily) losing the Y chromosome.
>>154500109I don't know but there is a decent chance the retards at Twitter are shocked and horrified to learn...that Adam and Abel are straight.Shocker really.
>>154500350>THAT'S FAT GAY ERASURE!
>>154500365>Adam and Abel bonding over hot women
>>154500365Lesbian flag? was this the chick who cosplayed Holygates with her lesbian gf?
>>154500109>>154500350Because Viv is kinda stupid and instead of ignoring the retards she actually replies to them. You don't bother with stupid people since they will waste your time and drag you down to their level.
>>154500314Sera would be a service top who gets off to bringing mortal souls to orgasm so I hope you're ready to get fingered in her lap. It'll feel great but it'll also be a distinctly female experience
>>154500372>was this the chick who cosplayed Holygates with her lesbian gf?So they were doing Troonface? How utterly despicable.
>>154500371Did they fuck any of the exorcists?
>>154500371NGL I'll forgive Viv for everything if she includes a flashback scene like that next season. Like something set before the yearly exterminations where we see Adam and Abel attempt to bond over that. The meltdowns over that would be hilarious to witness, especially since it would involve guitarspear and uh, whatever you call Abel X Emily, shippers fighting it out with butthurt fujos.
>>154500386>whatever you call Abel X EmilySerapherd as far as I remember. Would be pretty nice if we got a flashback of Adam trying to teach Abel how to get with Emily only for him to horrifically fail every time. It would be pretty wholesome. Maybe even some awkward " your mom went wild when I did this".
Sera definitely has a mortal kink in the same way Stolas has an imp kink
>>154500381I guess it would be a nice change of pace from me having to *ahem* "feel round in the bush" for "the little man in the canoe," so to speak.
The power dynamics are reversed though so instead of how Stolas likes being 'ravished' by low class hellborn Sera loves lording her eldritch power over mortals and bringing them to mind blowing orgasmOnly in the bedroom though and she feels immense guilt about it afterwards. She is undoubtedly Queen of aftercare
>>154500350I wonder what will happen if Vivi reveals Lilith is also straight.
>>154500551People will lose their mind. I expect Viv to make Lilith bi since nobody religious is gonna be offended by her being that way.
>>154500401it's been done and it's charming as all hellhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0Y_rEPQ5Eo
Why does no one in Heaven seems to give a fuck about anything Hell does with the exception of a single redemption?I don't get it. I feel like if I were in Heaven I would be heavily worried about how a military force was wiped out, got eaten by cannibals, using our own weapons and the first man Adam died.Like sure, a Sinner got redeemed, big news. Especially because across thousands of years no one else did. But like...doesn't this make Sinners worse in comparison, that no one among the billions ever got redeemed until now? Or compared to death rate where at least 100 people die each minute. Meaning even if only 1/10 of them go to Hell, a rare as fuck event as redemption doesn't help.
>>154500109Because Viv's a hack and an all-around horrible person.
GuitarPrincess is good. Even if I'm the only one left to defend it. It's a fact that this pairing is peak.
>>154500893Why can't she see the twisted darkness crawling through his veins
>>154500812winners in heaven seem to be in a perpetual blissed out state of not caring about anything that doesn't impact them directly or an imminent threat like the Might of Lilith. sir pentious actively inconveniences other people during 'like you' but none of them care, while lute shoves people around and they just walk it off with mild, brief annoyance. adam should really have embodied the worst aspects of this state with being the first (and therefore longest exposed) winner. if the show ever examines this disconnect - for example, sir pentious slowly starting to stop caring about cherri or the hotel - that'd be interesting and give it purpose, but as is it's a little hackish yeah. >>154500893no you're correct, it is peak. easily the best morningstar/adam pairing.
>>154500893>>154500908Despite me liking GuitarQueen I will admit that GuitarPrincess is probably the best since they actually have really good onscreen chemistry and play off eachother. For Lilith is pure headcanon since we haven't seen them interact once. Lucifer just doesn't play well off Adam so I'm really questioning wtf is wrong with the Adamsapple crowd.
>>154500893If Vivi didn't suddenly decide to make Vaggie Charlie's girlfriend, we would have tons more AdamXCharlie fics.Though I prefer QuiterQueen aka LilithXAdam even if Lilith doesn't exist, except for leaving her family behind to sunbathe in Heaven.
>>154500956i also think that charlie and adam's voices would sound similarly good together like adam and lute's do. meanwhile adamsapplers are IMO specifically the fujos that are bored of radioapple and don't want to ship lucifer with any vees, but also like the 'i was so wrong and you were right!' aspect of adam 'submitting' to lucifer's actions plus basic friends-enemies--friends again-lovers shit. i don't enjoy it but it's the most consistent ship for bottom adam content so i'm fucking stuck with it... >>154500979i agree, and given the animosity in this fandom i understand people being skittish about either not wanting to do a break-up/cheating arc with chaggi, or straight up not writing them as dating to begin with.
>>154501011>also like the 'i was so wrong and you were right!' aspect of adam 'submitting' to lucifer's actions plus basic friends-enemies--friends again-lovers shit.Yeah I don't understand this retarded fantasy. Lucifer should be the one apologising to Adam. Even if Adam's in the wrong he wouldn't ever cave in and admit fault. This ship is such OOC trash since it completely removes Adam's actual character. Also Adam would top since realistically the shorter homie puts on the skirt and lets the bigger one hit but most fujos haven't actually ever seen dudes having sex in real life.
>>154501041yeah like at most lucifer apologises for seducing eve sometimes, but unless the fic makes lilith into the evil fujo wife like stella who was manipulating both lucifer and adam the whole time (which i have seen but it's always weirdly boring despite the premise itself not being terrible), usually adam ends up apologising for everything. i think there are circumstances where adam caves but they'd have to be extreme ones, where him caving isn't a good thing. like fics where adam has no free will and is ordered to, or it's a sign of total personality collapse. like i have a concept horror fic (will probably never write it though so if anyone wants to steal this concept go nuts) where charlie meets god and god casually resurrects adam, allows him to comprehend what's happening for a few moments then resets his memory to as if he was freshly made, then dumps him on her to get her to understand the power she's trying to interfere with. she makes it her mission to bring the old adam back and starts understanding why he is the way he is (and has to fight the urges of herself and others to tweak him into a 'better' adam while she's at it).
>>154500979>If Vivi didn't suddenly decide to make Vaggie Charlie's girlfriend, we would have tons more AdamXCharlie fics.Now we just have to hope TraumaTrain will post the next chapter of "God says feelings are for pussies." And Soulmates by Akuma is good too.
>>154501128>>154501141Chaggy actually got it's rightful punishment by becoming the most common background ship that nobody really cares about. Truly deserved for how shit it is.
>>154482503he looks like a nortubel character
>>154501141Why do Guitarprincess authors always insist on forcing in Fallenwings?
>>154501163Because otherwise they get raped for being homophobic. It's a sacrifice they have to perform so they don't get lynched.
>>154500956>Lucifer just doesn't play well off Adam so I'm really questioning wtf is wrong with the Adamsapple crowd.Fujoishis can't be reasoned with.>I will admit that GuitarPrincess is probably the best since they actually have really good onscreen chemistry and play off eachother.It's just makes sense for them to make more nephilim together.
>>154501167It would be funnier if Charlie was too preoccupied to notice Lute dragging Vaggie offscreen for a beating.
>>154500908>no you're correct, it is peak. easily the best morningstar/adam pairing.Always fun to find others with good taste.
>>154500905Dick too good.
>>154500440Canon
I would like to like guitarprincess but alas it is forever tainted for me by association to OOC fallenwings pair the spares shenanigans, terrible purple prose and people who are into daughter '''ntr'''.
>>154501247Honestly, that's because half the fandom is ready to tear them apart and drink their blood for daring to propose Adam should be a character, let alone get together with Charlie.So they either go the way of trying to give them a bone through Lute/Vaggie, or decide that since they hate them already, might as well go all in on Adam/Charlie, to the point of "cucking" Lucifer to make them even angrier.Like, there are some people who hate the mere mention Adam, the ones with daddy issues
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>>154501265>Like, there are some people who hate the mere mention Adam, the ones with daddy issuesI remember that Danish animation autist, Skyen, has an irrational hatred for both Adam and Sera because they remind him of real-life nepobabies he's had to interact with.
>>154501279I get that. Vivi 100% channeled and combined both her daddy issues and also religious issues (the ones she got from attending Sunday church, lol) while making Adam.(And really, the whole show. If they are a main character, there is a decent chance they have daddy issues in Hazbin Hotel or Helluva Boss.)
>>154501311You forgot mommy issues.
>>154501279But not Lucifer?
>>154501156Chaggy is so shit, it's not even funny.
>>154501279the way he completely writes off adam's friendship with lute annoys me. bro's watching the 'everyone has nuance actually' show and ignoring the best example of that.
Whose got the bustiest in the show?
>>154501434Adam
Give me some sexy Charlie, now
>>154501442
>>154501459More
>sexualizing charlieBruh wtf isnt she a minor
>>154501492Not only she is already sexualized and definitely fucking Vaggie in the show, her age is basically 20+, if not 200.
>>154501492>>154501521Actually Vaggie is the minor in this relationship. Charlie likes em young like her dad.
>>154501521>sterminations been going on all her life>7 yearsSo like newborn babies dont understand what the fuck is happening, but assuming shes saying it has been happening forever, then she would have been 4 or 5 when they started; and 11 or 12 at the time the show starts, even if severely developmentally stunted, you cant be saying she was babby levels of lacking self awarness and comprehension of what was happening around her or coherent memory until the age of 11 when the purges started 7 years agoUnless hell years are like human vs dog years or smth
>>154501561Season 2 really fucked things up with 7 year Exterminations and only thousands of suffering "innocent" Sinners.
i wonder if the impression that the exterminations had been going on for centuries is a leftover relic from the old 'realistic' adam/exorcist dragon guy, that they decided to ditch pretty late into s1's production around the time they decided to make adam more fun to write, but couldn't undo the overall vibe in time for release. so, they had to hastily retcon it in for s2. it's like how hell's greatest dad was one of the first songs they made and either episode 2 or 3 were the first episodes made, production isn't linear with episode airing order.
>>154501459This outfit confused the hell out of me the first time i saw it in the show, the pants or whatever color are too close to her skin color an i thought she just had her snatch hanging outAlso who the hell wears pants under a ballroom gown or whatever thats supposed to be? Is this even an irl fashion or just something they designed for the show?
>>154501247>>154501265You know what's really funny? there seems to be an overlap between morningcest and guitarprincess shippers
Adam x charlie is fucked up becuase thats cucking lute and adam lute are otp
>>154501670Yeah that's kinda the only bad thing about it. If Lute didn't exist it would be peak since nobody gives a shit about Vaggie.
>>154501375He's an autistic, tranny-obsessed, "aromantic" male feminist from fucking Denmark. It's a miracle he hasn't already trooned out himself.
>>154501683threesome solves the problem, while also cucking vaggi by having her former boss and her former rival steal her girl, which is funnier.
>>154501630I wouldn't be surprised. They seemed to also want to avoid the standard "What if Heaven bad" cliche that so many modern writers default to, so they made the Exterminations a recent thing to give Sera more of an out and redeemable (for people who feel she needs to be redeemed).
>>154501692i don't mind his analysis style but he definitely lets his own biases show sometimes. he couldn't have been less interested in s2e2 of hazbin, like he spends barely any time on sera's confession or gravity and just really doesn't bother analysing lute in any detail unless it's to argue that adam didn't care about her. there's a ridiculous amount of dead air of him fucking around with babytalking his cats in that episode too, it's easily his worst one. iirc he also bitched about adam smiling at her when he died like 'UGH people are gonna read way too much into that!' when this is the same guy who keeps talking about how nothing in animation is an accident.
One problem I have with the show is that it expect us to feel bad for the Sinners.But I don't, I really don't. I feel bad about certain Sinners, I might even be sympathic to their reasons but even they aren't really innocent and a decent chunk of their suffering comes from Hell being Hell.Angel isn't suffering because he is a Sinner. He is suffering because he has a rapist pimp as a boss. His rapist pimp boss Val isn't suffering at all as a Sinner.I really got dumbfounded when they pulled out the Cannibal Town because why the fuck would I want the Exterminations to stop when there are literal towns with Cannibals and god knows what else. I am sure they are Naziville, Genocidelley and Rapist Boulevard out there somewhere.
>>154501783Really aside from the exterminations themselves. Hell doesn't seem like a bad place to live; people have jobs, there are amenities; and like you said some people are having a shittier times than others, but it's basically a continuation of normal life; you can be a media mogul, or a crack whore
>>154501813Hell itself isn't a bad place to live...if it wasn't full of the worst of humanity.The show and Charlie focuses so much on Exterminations that they ignore the fact that Hell is horrible because of the Sinners. Exterminations only started 7 years ago. Sinners have been making Hell Hell for thousands of years.My god Charlie, just look at Alastor! Dude was summoning demons, stereotyping voodoo and eating people before he even died. Now he is all of that but got enslaved to a deal while enslaving others. Problem isn't the Exterminations or Hell itself, problem is all the "innocent" Sinners!
>>154501692No wonder he can't understand Guitarspear if he's aromantic. Aromantics are fundamentally defective
i'm actually pretty sympathetic to the idea of redemption as presented in the show - the problem is that eventually, the number of sinners who will never choose redemption will massively outweigh those that will. what do you do when hell is nothing but the people who choose to stay? how do you protect new sinners from ending up like them unless you funnel all new arrivals to the hotel - ironically robbing them of the choice? what happens when the 'we choose hell' sinners attack the hazbin hotel? finally the root problem is that we have the seven deadly sins who actively tempt people to sin as shown in helluva boss. maybe there'd be less sinners if lucifer didn't allow that practice anymore. why does he even need/want people in hell anyway?
...Charlie really did a friendship beam with cannibals, enslavers and practically the worst of humanity eh?
>>154501893Charlie has issues.
>>154501770>iirc he also bitched about adam smiling at her when he died like 'UGH people are gonna read way too much into that!' when this is the same guy who keeps talking about how nothing in animation is an accident.It says a lot when even Morgan "It's Not Your Fault, Angel" Terry is better at reading Adam and Lute's relationship than the guy who supposedly puts his entire career into hyper-analyzing every frame of animation.
>>154501852>The show and Charlie focuses so much on Exterminations that they ignore the fact that Hell is horrible because of the SinnersI wonder if part of the reason Lilith kept Charlie separated from Lucifer was so that she wouldn't be influenced by his hatred of Sinners, since Lilith wanted Charlie to carry on her revolution plans until she fucked off to Heaven.
All this talk about reactors, are there any Adam fans who does that?
You guys actually watch youtubers talk about these shows?
>>154502024Public Adam fan? Not sure if they exist since the fandom would shit on them for liking him.
>>154502044Not really.
>>154502024The closest I've seen is this guy, but he only reacts to one episode every few months since he finds the show so cringy, and lately he's taken to watching the show through other reactors, so he can mock their over-the-top reactions.https://www.youtube.com/@hoody_yt
>>154502024no FAN fans but generally i've noticed people who otherwise dislike the show usually like 'hell is forever', and it's always fun watching people who shit on adam but can't help loving his singing or laughing at his comments. so there's a lot of casual and in-denial 'i just love to hate him!' fans out there.
>>154502137What?
>>154502274What?
>>154502349It’s just those activities he is doing is straight up bullying.
In an outcome of Cain being Zestial, I would imagine it to be revealed by the guy himself casually saying he’s gunning for redemption at some public event.So at the start there is a ton of tension about even trusting the guy from the Hazbin crew and from sections of heaven, and Lilith is the main one getting Charlie to defend him.
>>154502351Good
>>154502389>Headcanon Alert
>>154502405How would you feel if it was done to you?
>>154502415Who cares? You put yourself out there like that; you deal with the criticism.
>>154502427Criticism has careful thoughts behind it. This is malicious activity.
>>154502415If you have an online presence and even just slightly famous, you will get death threats, hate mail and outright bullying. Some over-the-top disagreement and laughing at your video don't even make it to the list.I thought people learned that by now. Or not I suppose since medie reacts to death threats to leading actors of a show like it is the first time, every time.
>>154501702Lute would never be down to share
>>154502468And?
>>154502389Fuck off MatPat nobody invited you.
>>154502476if adam told her to she would. i think she'd also enjoy being an assistant (eg holding charlie's legs apart or pinning her arms down, or prepping her for adam) and love adam complimenting her on doing a good job. plus she'd also probably love making charlie watch as she demonstrates how to really please a man and how shit at it charlie is in comparison, making her the jealous one.
>>154501770>>154501984How badly would he sperg out if Lute turns out to be Eve? Like would he go on a massive rant how sexist it is and that it sends women back 1000 years or would he shut up from the sheer humiliation.( MatPat don't bother replying nobody gives a shit what you say.)
>>154502554I see it more of a adam casually bringing it up and lute getting pissed off and shutting it down and him backing off because he respects her wishes, but then a few weeks later lute feels kinda bad about snapping at him and then on his next birthday or their date night she surprises him with a hogtied and gagged charlie she kidnapped
>>154502583He'd probably rant, but it would depend on how easily he'd be able to twist it into a whiteknighting scenario. As shown by being disproven about Sera's intentions twice, first in S2E2 and again in S2E4, whenever his headcanon interpretation of a character is jossed, he tends to just kinda grumble for a while and hope to move past it while continuing to hold onto his debunked beliefs.
>>154502554>>154502616But what about Charlie seeing Lute as a challenge and making it her goal to get her to cum from gay shit, either eating her out or fingering her, while Adam looks on in glee
>>154502699So long as Vaggie is gagged and tied to a chair, crying
>>154502713But then gradually getting more and more turned on and asking if she can get fucked too when they finally release her
When I get to AIT I'ma draw a sexy Charlie just because I care
>>154502728Lute will make it her mission to moan louder, cum harder and spend longer muffled in Charlie's pussy without coming up for air than Vaggie can because FUCK vaggie. Adam may even be getting bored at this point after he's busted a few nuts in Vaggie while he watches this. Whatever, the girls seem to be having fun. Vaggie doesn't like being fucked by Adam of course but she's tolerating it for Charlie. Adam is like ordering doordash on his phone with his dick still in Vaggie while Lute is wailing performatively like a banshee with her tongue deep in Charlie's puss.
>>154502788Lmao yeah lute aggressively eating charlie and vaggie out because every last drop of Adam's seed belongs to her
>>154502822Lute needs a lot of persuading to touch Vaggie sexually (Surprisingly, it doesn't take much for her to go down on Charlie). Adam and Charlie would take bets on who will dominate. Charlie thinks Vaggie will dominate. Adam also thinks Vaggie will dominate.
>>154502900Then abel opens the door looking to borrow one of Adam's guitars and backs away slowly like in gravity
>>154502788>>154502822canon straight ally adam isn't touching vaggi, please respect his funniest character trait.
>>154502954>>154502728He only starts with her after she begs for it after seeing how much of a good time charlie was having
Not a surprise you hate Jesus so much.
>>154502960Does she actually want it or is she just desperate to be involved and Lute and Charlie are busy with each other? If the latter, will Adam pause the foursome to give a lecture on respecting sexuality?
>This orgy is a total fuckin' safe space. If you're not cool with it we're not cool with it babes.
>>154503004Vaggies obviously the sub in her dynamic with charlie, shed probably be turned on by the taboo of the whole thing and get horny enough that shes desperate to get in on the action
>>154503093How much milk do you think Lucifer produces
>>154502994Mom, MatPat is talking to the voices in his head again
>>154503063How far would she go with Adam before a line is crossed? She won't let him cum inside for sure.
>Adam-Lute-Charlie-Vaggie foursome>somehow the most shocking thing that happens all night is Lute and Vaggie kiss>Everyone is leaving pregnant. Even Adam.
>>154503178Vaggie is baren
>>154503159She leglocks him in the heat of the moment, and then lute angrily eats her out >>154502822
>>154503154You’re gooning to lesbians in a blue board. Don’t try to gaslight anyone here.
>>154503218>every anon is the same personProjecting schizo is projecting
>>154503200Vaggie is carrying Charlie's demon baby as is Adam. Lute and Charlie are carrying Adam's babies. Husk hosts the maternity classes.
>>154503234So yourself?
Can you matpat schizos get a room? We're trying to goon here
>>154503246Hush
Adam getting fucked by Charlie's demon shapeshifter dick. Guh.
>>154503325This, but with me instead of Adam
>Sera: “Do it for Abel.”>Lute!Eve: “Fuck Abel.”>Sera: “Then do it for me.”>Lute!Eve: “Fuck *you.”*
>>154503338>Sera: Will you fuck me?>Lute!Eve: You wish.
>>154503352But what if adam wanted to watch?
>>154503360Depends if it's a Viper GTS scenario
New thread: >>154503398
>>154503178adam is carrying lute's baby, but until it's born they don't really know whose it is besides him. she's SO proud when it comes out with her bitch-glare and chubby cheeks.
