>Mickey Mouse is public domain>Popeye is public domain>Tintin is public domain>Betty Boop is public domainDid anything good come from these characters entering the public domain? I hope we get good comics when Superman and Batman are free from DC.
>>154493120>Did anything good come from these characters entering the public domain?No. All that happened were cheap horror movies made with familiar names slapped on them. Anyone capable of making anything better either do it anyway on the fan content side or would rather use their own IP and not deal with any complications on the professional side.
>>154493120Mickey Mouse in Savage Dragon was hilarious.
>>154493120When does Spider-Man enter public domain? Peter deserves better than Marvel stagnating his character.
>>154493454He was created in the 60's. You're going to be waiting a while.
If anything we should get more aggressive with public domain. Corporations or estates shouldn't be able to hold any ip period without direct permission from the creators, and once they pass away their next of kin If should have some control for a few years at the most before something goes into public domain. If someone wants to adapt someone else's IP it should be negotiated on an individual project level. People or companies hoarding stuff made by other talented people and treating it like it's some commodity that they had any part in creating is stupid and outdated. The. Entire system needs to be completely overhauled.
>>154493500True
>>154493500I agree with you because the estate of Edgar Rice Burroughs abuse their authority. Edgar's stories like Tarzan and John Carter are in the public domain but they have a trademark.
>>154493120>Snow White and the 7 Dwarves was published in 1812 by the Brothers Grimm who got their stories by walking from village to village to talk with people to collect fairy talesHow the fuck is it not in public domain already?
>>154493480>implying I won't be nuking all nerve centers in the developed world within the next 10-20 years, collapsing human society and destroying the very concept of copyright law
>>154493569The story is public domain. Disney's version of Snow White is what will enter public domain. Snow White's design in the movie is iconic.
>>154493120Why is Joker trying to shoot Bambi?
>>154493569The Brothers Grimm version of Snow White is public domain. But the DISNEY version isn't. Same for Cinderella, Pinocchio, etc
>>154493120So much media would already be public domain if it wasn't for Disney bribing politicians.
>>154493600He thinks it's funny to finish the job.
>>154493120I want people to make crossovers with the public domain.
>>154493480Fuck.
>>154493454Spider-man 2058Sandman 2059Green Goblin 2060Rhino 2062Venom 2083Carnage 2088I hope you're good at waiting
>>154493500I agree. Flat fifty years.
>>154493771That's capitalism for you.
>>154493120Bambi is not public domain? The Blood and Honey guys already did an horror movie with him
>>154493831Well, the most popular ones tend to be Alice in Wonder and the Land of Oz.
>>154494120Bambi comes from a public domain book. Disney's version is what will enter public domain in 2038.
>>154493120Honestly what has been done with properties that enter the public domain has made me think the corpos are right to hoard them. It seems like everyone has the same idea to make a shitty horror/super edgy version and that's about the extent of what's been done with them. Honestly, what actual interesting thing could be done with fucking Steamboat Willie?
>>154493120>Popeye is public domainI really hope Genndy Tartakovsky can make his Popeye movie with another studio.
>>154494223>It seems like everyone has the same idea to make a shitty horror/super edgy versionIt's small studios who use the public domain to continue making Elsa Gate content. They are not made by genuine fans.
>>154493120Wrong question, what you should be asking is if the companies who used to own these characters actually benefited from keeping them for another 40 years more than what they would have gotten if they never lobbied for extension, and if it anyway mattered to them when the copyright expired anyway?From what I can tell Popeye, Tintin and Betty Boop didn't really receive much new content since the 70's anyway (I even know that a Popeye movie even got outright canned not too long before he entered public domain). The only one of the four characters you mentioned that was actively used for new material until the copyright expired was Mickey Mouse and guess what? Disney still produces Mickey Mouse stuff as if nothing happened, he didn't suddenly stop being valuable to them just because they can't claim exclusive rights, meaning it was pointless to even lobby for the extensions.It is true that so far these characters have only been used to make shitty horror movies or otherwise parodic depictions but that has less to do with anything inherent to public domain characters than it does with people having largely forgotten to deal with freshly public domain characters because it took so damn long. It essentially boils down to a poor understanding of how trademark laws interact with copyright and what it actually means to stick to "earlier versions", if people just get a better grip on that then more earnest versions can be made.TBC.
>>154494223>It seems like everyone has the same idea to make a shitty horror/super edgy versionIt's a phase that will hopefully pass quickly>what actual interesting thing could be done with fucking Steamboat Willie?It's not just Steamboat Willie itself. Any specific interpretation or element of Mickey Mouse that has entered the public domain. You can do a lot of interesting things with those versions of the character.
>>154494223>Honestly, what actual interesting thing could be done with fucking Steamboat Willie?I think it would be cool to do an animated feature-length remake of Steamboat Bill, Jr. starring the animals in the short film. Steamboat Willie loosely parodied the film and both works are in the public domain. It would also be cool to see a theatrical-quality hand-drawn Mickey feature.https://youtu.be/eu0MxIWwIjc?si=8B7YI8HrAU9kmwOb
>>154493120>>154493120>Did anything good come from these characters entering the public domain?People are still afraid of being litigated even though the law should be on their side. Our society is fucked like that. It'll be a long time before these characters are actually as free as they should be.
>>154494348ContinuedLet's do a little rundown of how this actually works, shall we?>Trademark essentially just protects marketing aspects. It may prevent you from using certain titles or visual elements but they can be rendered void if the company fails to detect and defend every instance of infringement which can happen much more easily than you think. Characters and stories are never "trademarked", that's dumb, a marketing mascot in a visual sense maybe but not characters.>You can't use characters or stories that have yet to enter the public domain yet, that is true even if it's part of the same series as something with the earliest parts in the public domain. However, nothing prevents you from simply creating similar characters or stories, or even implying they indeed are those characters. Miracleman in his original form wasn't even intended to be a deconstructed pastiche of Captain Marvel, he was straight up just meant to be close enough to Captain Marvel to avoid infringement yet so close that the readers would literally assume he was the character. As it turns out, almost identical. I think Peter David even got away with implying one of his creator owned characters was just straight up Supergirl.>While assholes like the Burroughs estate and the Doyle estate have sued for laughable reasons of copyright/trademark infringement like "Sherlock Holmes can't be shown to express love because he wasn't shown to do so until book number X which is still protected", keep in mind that such cases tend to be thrown out because you can't claim copyright over real world concepts or common fiction conventions. Let's say Batman is public domain and you make a story where he solves a crime about a guy on super soldier serum with a computer and then DC tries to sue you because "Batman didn't use a computer until nineteenshittywhenever and the super soldier thing wasn't until Bane came around even later than that", you can just tell them to fuck off because they have no case.
>>154493831There was a webcomic that featured Stardust the Super Wizard and a bunch of other cape public domain characters.The Power of Stardust on webtoons.
>>154494120Bambi is in the public domain because he is from a book published in 1923. That's why the Blood and Honey guys can use him. The image is referring to Disney's adaptation from 1942 entering public domain. Anyone can draw a cartoon deer but it must not look like Disney's work.
it'll be weird seeing all of these old archaic character designs appear in things again.Will we get a purple gloves Batman movie?
>>154493120I thought a specific version of King Kong was already public domain.>>154494874People can make new designs for the characters. Being able to use the name Batman is what matters.
>>154494874We will get a gay Batman movie
>>154494715Don't forget characters like Thumper and Flower were created for the movie. They do not exist in the book. People can only use them with Bambi when the movie enters public domain in 2038.
>>154493500it'd be nice if anything that wasn't being actively sold returned to public domain after like ten years.It's bullshit that The Life and Times of Scrooge McDuck is currently out of print, for example.It's bullshit that Nintendo are still allowed to copyright claim some Mario 64 strategy guide they stopped printing 30 years ago.Let people buy, or accept that it belongs to the public now.
>>154494915Isn't there tricky ground in regards to character design, because if your Batman looks too much like any of the up to date Batmans, you can still get sued?
>>154493120Wonder Woman entering public domain will be great. Most aspects of her character are already public domain since it's borrowed from Greek mythology. You don't have to wait for Ares or Hercules. Characters like Cheetah and Doctor Psycho won't be available though.
>>154495051Just make it look distinct.
>>154495051Given that Universal owns the copyrights to Frankenstein's monster with neck bolts despite Frankenstein's monster himself being public domain, very much,Afaik same also applies to stuff like Oswald the lucky rabbit, early versions are public domain, later designs are still copyrighted by Disney. Things also get fuzzier if you consider Trademarks.
>>154493120Just waiting on the shadow and conan to make my stories.
>>154495609Conan is already public domain. His first appearance in The Phoenix on the Sword failed to have its copyright renewed in 1961.
>wednesday addams enters the public domain in 2040it's the comic strip version though
>>154493120>Did anything good come from these characters entering the public domainWinnie-the-Pooh gained a heroic fantasy book.But the public domain system is kind of "broken" right now, thanks for how long it is, but it is improving bit by bit.
>>154494223Ironically enough, Disney wouldn't have been able to make a lot of his classics if the rule was "95 years" back then.Pinocchio would only enter after Walt himself died.
>>154496096sexo forehead
>>154495609The shadow is next year, so start writing your drafts
>>154493946>>154493454>>154493120The entire OG Marvel Invaders and Justice Society of America lineup will enter the public domain by 2040.
>>154496096I don't think you can call her Wednesday tho, right?
>>154496231Wonder Woman is special because all of her golden age version will enter nearly world wide.Her creators died by the 50s.
>>154496243Right. The Addams Family cast didn't get names until the sitcom version came out in the 1960s. All the names will enter the public domain in 2059.
>>154496312You can still call them Addams?
>>154494915No, the King Kong movie isn't public domain yet, but the novel version is.
>>154496312>>154496350I have a solution
>>154495552Is it possible to make your own “newer” versions of a public domain character? How does this stuff work in a case like that?
>>154496231Technically, Wimpy, Bluto, and Swee'Pea are in the public domain because their copyrights were never renewed.
>>154496380Yes, since derived works have different copyrights.A infamous example is the wicked witch of the west being green.
>>154494915>I thought a specific version of King Kong was already public domain.The book yesThe movie won't be until 2029
>>154496408And ruby slippers. They're silver in the book.
>>154495552>Given that Universal owns the copyrights to Frankenstein's monster with neck bolts despite Frankenstein's monster himself being public domain,Fun fact, that Frankenstein movie was released in 1931That means it's gonna end up public domain in the US next year
>>154496445My Frankenstein hardcore erotica romance novel
>>154495552>Afaik same also applies to stuff like Oswald the lucky rabbit, early versions are public domain, later designs are still copyrighted by Disney.Actually, thanks for the lack of proper copyrights, the first Oswald cartoon with his blue pants is already in the public domain.And Mickey and Winnie-the-Pooh were using red in promotional materials.
>>154496445Yes, alongside Bela Lugosi's Dracula.People are already itching to put them over YouTube.
>>154496350After the 2050s, future creators still won't be able to use 'Addams' or 'Wednesday' as the actual titles of their projects due to active trademarks. However, the characters can be referred to by their actual full names in the dialogue of any future story after 2059.
>>154493120>>154494915>>154496231>>154496420King Kong is a really basic concept. Rampage and War of the Monsters made their own versions of King Kong. DC also did it by making Titano, and they used kryptonite to make him distinct.
>>154496510King Kong is already in the public domain, even Nintendo made their own version (Donkey Kong) and won when sued by Universal
>>154496380Yes. That's basically the Disney animated films from Disney's Golden and Silver Age. Snow White and the Seven Dwarves has distinct designs and some exclusive characters, so does Cinderella, Pinocchio, Sleeping Beauty, and so onWizard of Oz movie has the Ruby Slippers in the 1939 movieWest Side Story is loosely based on Romeo on Julietthe movie Clueless is based on Jane Austen's Emma
>>154496350They can be called Addams within a story, but their first names will not be available. Trademarks will also prevent using Addams Family in the title of any work featuring them unless permitted.
>>154496475Now you can make reference to the bolt design without worrying
>>154496556It's funny because they won because Universal argued in a prior case that Kong was public domain and won
>>154496631Yes, it is one of the reasons for why megacorps prefer to settle things outside of courts.
>>154493567Burroughs entering the public domain over Europe sent his state in an overdrive.2029 will similarly screw with Zorro productions
>>154496231Flash Gordon fell so hard that he isn't mentioned in these.
>>154493120I don't think anyone wants to touch any of these characters specifically because of that blurb at the bottom. Much of the design elements, casts, story beats, and so on that people associate with these characters is still locked down, and any current IP holders will likely chase you down whichever way they can. Anyone that will want to write their own Batman in 2035 will be constantly looking over their shoulder and worrying that DC will come after their ass like>oh sorry, this design has some blue elements in it, so it's reminiscent of post-pre-super-hypertime-critical-crisis-on-infinite-cumrags Batman, which isn't public, and a character is shot with a gun, like in Issue #22393 of Bruce Wayne: The Spectacular Bat-Man, so we're suing for infringement on thatIt'll take a long while for you to be able to use anything but the original design and only the original design, which in itself doesn't make the character, so you might as well make your own.
>>154495238People can use Thor from Marvel right now for the same reason. Almost everything about him is from Norse mythology. The only thing they really own is his design. To copyright his name they named him Thor Odinson.
>>154493158Or the ones that would actually want to do something with them are fucking dead because the wait for something to go public domain is so fucking long you'll likely die of old age before seeing the series you grew up with become open to the public.
>>154496763Marvel also invented the concept of being worthy to use mjolnir. If anyone uses Thor they will have to avoid that detail.
>>154496130>Winnie-the-Pooh gained a heroic fantasy book.Sounds cool. What is it called?
>>154493120>>154496231Does anyone have the chart with all the superheroes in the public domain?
>>154496312The names for Morticia and Wednesday were revealed in 1962 on licensed dolls. The rest of the family had their names revealed a few years later in the show.
>>154493120Would Superman going public domain change much?We already get plenty of Superman-lite characters and we already get plenty of evil superman to the point it's become a entire trope. People latched onto Disney going public quickly because they wanted an excuse to make edgy disney shit for profit. By the time Superman is ready for that treatment the fatigue of said treatment would've been on it's second decade.
>>154496742The big three of action comic strips, Flash Gordon, The Phantom, and Mandrake, are already in the public domain.
>>154497120Mainly on the merchandise side.>>154497146Oh, another Conan situation?
>>154496763Invincible did its own version of Thor.
>>154497271There's also how easy a character is to use, Sherlock Holmes gains a new version from time to time.
>>154497271>Wait until his universal color design is public domain.the 1928 colored mickey mouse poster is already in the public domain. this version has yellow gloves though.
>>154497434They actually don't have them at all, they only claim is that they sued some people.
Public Domain doesn't matter anymore ever since AI can create any character for you and get away with it. And big corpos don't care because they rather use AI to layoff staff. A win for everyone.
>>154493120Donald Duck is the most interesting out of that list for me. Here's some relevant dates for his comic book version's first appearance, and Scrooge McDuck respectively.>Cartoon Donald Duck 1934Enters public domain in 2029.>Carl Barks Donald 1942Should enter public domain in 2037.>Scrooge McDuck 1947Should enter public domain in 2042.No idea if comic book characters enter the public domain at the same age as cartoon ones though.
>>154493120No, because Disney and others fixed so we had to wait 95 fucking years. With the old copyright system Steamboat Willie Mickey would have been public domain in 1985.
>>154497578Wasn't the old copyright 75 years?
>>154497491Corpos want to own the output of AI because they risk it entering public domain. There is currently a legal battle about it over Tung Tung Tung Sahur when a company used it for a Fortnite deal.
>>154497602Nope, 56 years. The Copyright Act of 1976 extended it to 75 years.
>>154497630AI generated content is already public domain by default.And infringing all kinds of copyrights and trademarks
>>154493120I wish I had the money to fund a NTR hentai game where you play as Ham Gravy and get cucked by Popeye. Not because I like NTR, but because I can't think of a funnier use of the characters while staying in character.
>>154497602Used to be 28 years with the option to renew another 28. That's why a lot of old stuff is public domain because they forgot.
>>154497920Yes, I know, it is the reason for why half of Conan is already public domain.
>>154494223Steamboat Willie entered the public domain in 2024. It's 2026 now and the first 24 Mickey Mouse cartoons (and a few others that went PD early) are PD, not just Steamboat Willie
>>154496380I think the answer is technically yes, but the lawyers are going to be going over it with a fine tooth comb.If you use say a specific bat logo, which is from 1970, instead of 1930, they'll come after you.
>>154498295A lot of silly symphonies are also entering the public domain, we are nearly getting to the colored ones.
>>154493120Tell me your horror movie ideas for the upcoming ones. I heard a joke once about how Snow White’s physical appearance makes her sound like a vampire, so I’m going with a vamp horror movie for her.
Talking about the silly symphonies, the last one will enter the public domain by 2035, 8,5 years from now.
>>154496309I'm so ready to write WW BDSM erotica. Just as Marston intended.
>>154498423>>154498483The best silly symphony is already in the public domain.
>>154498513You can already publish it over Canada, and Europe by 2029
>>154498519I was surprised by Mickey also having his own version
Alright /v/ pitch your Public Domain movie ideas that aren't just "what if they were a horror movie"
>>154498666Gods of Pegana the animation
>>154498472>I heard a joke once about how Snow White’s physical appearance makes her sound like a vampire, so I’m going with a vamp horror movie for her.Happened in Snow, Glass, Apples by Neil Gaiman but the story implies Snow White is something worse than a regular vampire.
>>154498666>/v/Wrong board. This is /co/.
>>154498472Snow White works as a legit horror character in the original fairy tale Snow White has never cared about being...The fairest in the land.Snow White if anything embraces the same bitter sadistic tendencies that the Evil Queen did and seeks hideous revenge on her. It was Disney who sanitized Snow White and from there many imitators tried to maintain this bullshit family friendly characterization.
>>154498808Yet its the gaming board that has the best animation threads.
>>154493120This the best thread on this board?
>>154493120So I could theorically make a Popeye croasover with Betty Boop and have Pluto tag along???
>>154498864yes
>>154498472>Tell me your horror movie ideas for the upcoming ones.A Superman movie, but with a terrifying twist: he's evil.
>>154498904Considering what happened once people actually got to watch the Steamboat Willie beyond the intro, it is possible that Superman will become more of a political figure.
>Make Dorothy a Dyke>Not even have Ozma as her wife
>>154498666Batman tries on pairs of gloves for two hours, until he settles on some nice purple ones.
>>154493120You know DC and Marvel are going to find ways to retain their characters, right?Too much money riding on it, that money will find a way.
>>154493120>Tintin is public domainNo he isn't
>>154493120>king kongReally that just means the name. Kong himself technically already is in public domain but the King Kong name is still trademarked which is why the monsterverse films (and other bs) just call him "Kong"Anyway copyright laws are inherently stupid and should be abolished, I hate how this is an unpopular opinion. As a creative, I made it a point to never trademark any of my shit lol
>>154499212They will and won't Copyright is still different from Trademark.
>>154493158>>154496819As well, because of the duration of the copyright and the fact each additional publication has its own expiration date, characters that are in use for the whole hundred years like Superman or Mickey are basically still unusable when public domain.If you tried to tell an interesting new Superman story you'd almost certainly still get sued for a similarity (whether you are aware of it or not) to another superman story at some point in the last 100 years.
>>154498904Surprisingly that would be more of a problem than doing horror movies about Mickey because even DC was doing evil Superman
>>154498472Donald Duck is a ww2 vet with ptsd that hunts people during his episodes.
>>154499330In the United States he is. Belgium citizens have to wait longer.
>>154498794This was a good comic.
>>154499349Buddy, creative shit is the one place they make sense, because that's the only way anyone gets paid and you withholding the IP rights hurts no one. They're bad in science, tech and medicine. Since they actively hold humanity back, let people die due to expensive access, and create extra value for greedy fucks who already charge a huge mark-up on their products.
>>154496231>GandalfIf we get Gandalf in Fate/, he better be a fucking Ruler class servant.
>>154496312>The Addams Family cast didn't get names until the sitcom version came out in the 1960sNote the capitalized "It".
>>154499393Unless you make them gay and trans, and capture the fujoshi fanfiction audience the cowards at Big Disney fear pandering to
>>154499212They kind of don't have, these characters would still be copyrighted in a lot of market important markets.Since, with the exception of Wondy, their creators died in the 90s, 00s and 10s
>>154496379cursed
>>154494072Hmm, that makes Ultimate X-Men 2099...
>>154493120>Did anything good come from these characters entering the public domain?People have conceived some fun ideas for Popeye.
>>154497328Note that this Thor (and Ares) are from Savage Dragon back in the 90's. And that arc was when I first started collecting the series. Memories...
>>154503146The dude who does Popeye's comic strip was doing one featuring Mickey for a while
>>154493120Is there an collection of the popeye comics that are public domain? Also are all Betty Boop animations public domain?
>>154503146>>154493120God, I hope this is not canceled.
>>154503623>Is there an collection of the popeye comics that are public domain?No. Though comic strips from 1929, from December 14, 1936, are in the public domain.>Also are all Betty Boop animations public domain?Also no.
>>154503709>No. Though comic strips from 1929, from December 14, 1936, are in the public domainThe ones from 1930 also are copyright free, next year we will get the ones published by 1931.
>>154494348>Disney still produces Mickey Mouse stuff as if nothing happened, he didn't suddenly stop being valuable to them just because they can't claim exclusive rights, meaning it was pointless to even lobby for the extensions. and>but that has less to do with anything inherent to public domain characters than it does with people having largely forgotten to deal with freshly public domain characters because it took so damn long. It essentially boils down to a poor understanding of how trademark laws interact with copyright and what it actually means to stick to "earlier versions", if people just get a better grip on that then more earnest versions can be made. I would argue are VERY connected. If the original 28 years max protection was never extended I believe Disney would not have stuck with mickey as their mascot and the popularity of mickey as an icon would have been substantially weakened as a brand and product.I'll fully admit though my stance is pro copy-right extensions for creative/non essential works, so that's where I'm coming from..
>>154503743He said 1929 to 1936. That means 1930 and 1931 are already copyright free.
>>154503847Arguably, it would have killed Netflix during its infancy.Since people would just put and watch the movies over YouTube.>Mickey.We are seeing Disney use his earlier version more, they even put him in the racing game.
>>154503847I'm fine for life for single ownership works (creator owned, novels, etc) but corperate-owned should be 30 years max no extensions. And that's throwing the corpos a bone, I'd be even happier with 15. Like Conan still having anything under copyright is horseshit. REH killed himself 90 years ago and left no relatives. Whoever owns Conan didn't do shit to create the character, they're just parasites. It's bullshit.
>>154503934>Arguably, it would have killed Netflix during its infancy.It really wouldn't. Netflix started out as a rental-by-mail service before Youtube came along, so in the worst-case scenario, they would've still relied on that for a while before Youtube got better. Netflix supposedly had 1000 films on their site for streaming which also included licensed ones. I don't think anyone ever posted the full list of what they had back then, but this site listed a fraction of them:https://www.thrillist.com/entertainment/nation/netflix-streaming-history-anniversary-watch-instantlyThey started streaming in 2007, so if the old 28/56-year law was still in place, at that point stuff from 1951 would be PD. Of that list only five would've been PD. I think what would've happened is other people might've tried doing their own streaming service with stuff from the 1910s to 1951
>Did anything good come from these characters entering the public domain?Nope
>>154504591And the rest is history.
>>154493120>Did anything good come from these characters entering the public domain?Technically not /co/ but...
>>154493120>Bugs Bunny will be public domain in 2035.When will Daffy Duck also be public domain?
>>154497146The defenders of earth
>>154504866He will enter a bit earlier First appearance 1937 + 95 under copyright + 1 to round = 2033.
>>154493120Did you know Fin Fang Foom is in the public domain? Marvel failed to renew their copyright on Strange Tales #89 where he made his debut. On the cover he is green, but the printers fucked up by swapping his color with brown in the pages. You can use both colors for Fin Fang Foom, but Marvel will have less of a case against you with brown. His origin story in other stuff is still copyrighted by Marvel.
>>154493120Not much, entering public domain doesn't mean you can do whatever. The Steamboat version of Mickey is free to use, but he can't act like his modern versions or use things that came later. Shit, remember the Netflix Sherlock issue? That's what most creators will try to avoid.
>>154496231>The Hobbit in 2033I feel Tolkien could be seen important enough to UK's literary culture that his works would get the Peter Pan treatment by UK Government.(Peter Pan was granted a perpetual copyright, owned by some children's hospital)
Am I the only one excited to see Superman entering the public domain? Mostly because I think people will actually make good work out of Superman because now... it's borning to make Superman evil. We've had it done so many times now. So imagine someone making good hopeposting Superman stories now.
>>154505110Yes.> but he can't act like his modern versionsHis modern version doesn't really have much of a personality.>remember the Netflix Sherlock issue? That's what most creators will try to avoid.Unfortunately, we are a decade away from Walt Disney's works entering the European public domain, once it hits, Mickey will be far more free.
>>154493158The Popeye one annoys me the most. You could have had a really fun concept having Popeye beating the shit out of Lovecraft horrors with toon logic level feats instead of making him a slasher
>>154505141The problem with Superman entering public domain is that we still have to wait for his rogues gallery. DC neglects characters like Riot and Titano.
>>154505141>>154505238I do have an idea for a Superman story.Superman but as a teenage orphan in the 80s. It goes with the story that he was found by the Kents and taken to an orphanage instead of being raised by them, but they still check on him from time to time. In this story he's called Tim Reeves (tribute to the Voice Actor from the Bruce Timm Series and from the First official films), an orphan who lives at the church who helps people whenever he can and has a love for David Bowie songs. He has a friend named Max Fleischer (a reference to the animator of the first Superman cartoons) who always drew heroes flying and always showed them to Tim.Tim later discovers he has powers and they fit with the first issue of Superman throughout the whole story and uses those powers to help people under the name... Starman. Max also discovers Tim is Starman and basically helps him list his powers... hoping flying is one of them. It isn't until he stops a robbery that he really starts getting attention.Eventually the first concept of Superman by the original creators of Superman (you know the one where they are evil and take over the world) arrive and become the first real challenge for Starman. But he continues to fight for his home, because not only does he love his home... there are people who actually believe in him.Starman defeats the Supermen but they left a bomb full of yellow sun energy that is meant to destroy all life but the kryptonians. So Starman takes the bomb says goodbye to his friends (the Kents and Max) and uses all his strength to jump as high as he can. He reaches space where the bomb explodes with Earth now saved from the Supermen.Years later, Max (now an artist that does commissions) goes to the Daily Planet to do an artpiece for him. He assumes it's for some rich guy or something... until a very familiar figure gently flies towards them saying hi to Max.The final words to the story from Max being.... "You can fly."
>>154505238Lex luthor enters the public domain 2036, Toyman 2038, Mister Mxyzptlk 2039, i heard atom man is in the public domain because the radio show and serials are already in the public domain
>>154494570>>While assholes like the Burroughs estate and the Doyle estate have sued for laughable reasons of copyright/trademark infringement like "Sherlock Holmes can't be shown to express love because he wasn't shown to do so until book number X which is still protected"This is why it took so long for Great Ace Attorney to get localized.The Doyle estate are quite possibly the biggest fucking assholes when it comes to their patent trolling.
>>154505619>The Doyle estate are quite possibly the biggest fucking assholes when it comes to their patent trollingFortunately their days are counted.All original novels are in the American public domain, and Doyle's dead's centenary is around the corner.
>>154505238>>154505437We can use the mechanical monsters from the Superman cartoons by Fleischer Studios. The films are in the public domain. Superman entering public domain will give more freedom to use the cartoon because DC still owns Superman himself.
>>154505238>Titanothe ape villian Gigantic from the superman Fleischer shorts is already in the public domain
>>154505238Didn't the golden age version of Metallo first appear in a comic that didn't get renewed? Also Gorilla Grodd and Pied Piper also got in the PD for their first appearance issue not renewing.
>Ian Fleming’s original James Bond 007 novels will enter the UK public domain in 2035.Bond slasher film by itn studios here we come
>>154505049Zzutak would be safer, he didn't change after his first appearance and he's PD too. In terms of an actual character Orrgo is also PD with minimal changes since his debut, just don't reference his home world/race by name and have him believe in ghosts.>>154505110>remember the Netflix Sherlock issue?I don't, quick run down?
>>154500711Japan only has 78 years, Godzilla will be PD there in 2033.
>>154503958I feel like a lot of the anti-extension sentiment stems form a dislike with what a few major corporations have done with characters/IP's, which I'm sympathetic to, but I also think it's kind of bullshit that I could put in literal decades of my life to make a truly original work/idea, spend countless hours doing iterative research forsaking personal relationships and other opportunities, take on all the financial and social risk that comes with pushing that IP forward and through sheer grit and the grace of god manage to make something that becomes successful... to then have not much of a say with how that idea is handled in the future kind of sucks.Like I get it, Disney IP hording sucks or whatever... but I also feel like from the creator side, there's a broader injustice being promoted that people (and even really companies) who aren't being hollow IP horders get fucked over for.Earlier up in the thread someone mentioned Nintendo and honestly I feel IP wise as a company they function pretty admirably. Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Starfox, Splatoon, Pikmin etc are all things they took a chance on and I don't mind them as a company relying on those successes and forcing other companies to generate more ideas to compete rather than mining theirs..I wish the push was more for a legislation and IP ecosystem that forced the creation of more new ideas rather than just mining already successful ones...
>>154496231Imhotep from The Mummy also becomes PD in 2028.
>>154505929You are correct about him being public domain, but it's a completely different character. He is a guy named George Grant who discovered the strongest metal in existence to wear as armor against Superman. He also used a serum to give himself super strength. His name is spelled Metalo which distinguishes him from the Metallo everyone knows.
>>154506084Ah, my mistake. Thank you for the correction.
>>154506044Nintendo also is fairly new with the creators still around, contrary of Disney that is already centenary.
>>154503743In the case of Popeye it's not about the 95 years of work for hire but the 70 or so since author death. Segar died young
>>154505238I just want an earnest Popeye and Superman team-up story.
>>154506130Yes, leukemia.
>>154505413Too much hope posting there.
Has the PDSH Wiki added anything interesting in the last year?
>>154493120kek, no. that's the point. That's why it was so stupid for them to hold onto the copyright so tightfistedly, as if anyone was gonna threaten themalso those old shits are corny as fuck. Also? if something's pubic domain, it means you can charge for a product you made with it, but anyone else can just make their own and you can't stop them, so... why would anyone buy it?
>>154494072his deltoids are doing the horse thing.. well I can't throw stones, I've drawn them doing that before.That's fine, I'll just make my OWN Spoodler fellow. His name will be.. Responsible Joseph.
>>154506084That explains the name. I always thought 'metallo' sounded a bit too corny to be recent.>>154506044Nintendo functioned great until very recently. now they are garbage.
>>154506466Horse thing?
>>154494348Yeah, that's what's baffling about the Public Domain being abused like it was. Disney's value as a company came primarily from its ability to produce high quality art, not necessarily the IPs alone. No one's going to touch knockoffs looking to profit from their IPs, because it's almost always lower quality than what Disney had to offer. If a company DOES make a product worth selling, they're not going to waste it by essentially being free advertising to their competition. We've known this as far back as the 80s, when Filmation straight up made a ripoff sequel to Disney's Snow White. It bombed horribly because it was a severe downgrade, in every conceivable way, to a film that came out 50 years prior. So much shit could've hit the Public Domain and nothing would've changed.
>>154506456>anyone else can just make their own and you can't stop themYou will still own your version.
>>154505969>Betty Boop horrorI mean fuck if you're gonna be derivative why not make a fucking Barbie rip off where Betty becomes real.
>>154506044You're not going to have any say in how your work is used after you're dead regardless. You can ask your heirs to do things but once you're dead...you no longer have any hold over them. You're dead. And for work-for-hire...buddy, the corpo doesn't give a shit about what you want either way. You have zero leverage.
>>154506699It's not about direct control, and technically you can make stipulations with how your estate is handled. At minimum there's a difference between bequeathing my heir who I know personally and care about something, and letting the public do whatever they want with it.>And for work-for-hire...buddy, the corpo doesn't give a shit about what you want either way. You have zero leverage.I never brought up work for hire stuff, that wouldn't be my copyright anyway because it was in service of someone else. If that was in response to the company aspect I brought up then to clarify. I'm all for a company holding long term copyright over ideas they put the time and effort to fund, promote, and create because in part because I think it's a better trajectory for the creator ecosystem. Why make Donkey Kong if you can just take King Kong for example. I think a world with more new ideas is better than one where the goal is to just mine already proven successful ones.
>>154506385These are all the 1930 characters they're aware of that went PD in the UShttps://pdsh.fandom.com/wiki/Category:1930_Debuts
>>154506084He reminds me of Dr. Doom.
