(W) Alex Paknadel (A) Cafu (CA) Lucas Werneck WHAT IF...THE ULTIMATE UNIVERSE SURVIVED THE SECRET WARS? GOODBYE, MARVEL UNIVERSE! Starring Peter Parker, our beloved friendly neighborhood Spider-Man, as he is forced to survive in a not-so-friendly neighborhood after losing everything! What becomes of the original Ultimate Universe in a post-Secret Wars landscape? How did they defeat the Beyonder? And who does Spider-Man become after losing everything? bump if you are reading
This was imo the best thought out of the bunch so far, especially once they reveal the ACTUAL What If
>>154493369Really, the only part I didn't like is the whole dude you got bit by a radioactive spider bro, you're gonna die lmao since that's just a bit too Ruins-y for my taste.Rest was fine, though. The man's right about 1610 being a shithole, but it's nice to see it again all the same.
>>154493552Honestly that would be any 616 characters reaction to the ultimate universe
>>154493369Paknadel is easily one of the more solid writers Marvel has right now.>>154493482It's nice seeing it versus that shitty Nu-Ultimate that everyone praises because they think they're getting one over on Lowe because of it having a married Peter.
>>154493800And there it is, the real What If is what if the wrong Reed got the chance to remake the multiverse
and that's all
>>154493900>>154493918Thanks OP, that was just a wet fart of a comic
>>154493655>Paknadel is easily one of the more solid writers Marvel has right now.What's hilarious is you're not even wrong.
>>154493950It feels more like it's the set up to a series we'll never get about an attempt to rebuild the old Ultimate U in a more heroic direction. Which I think would actually be a good idea. Better than Hickman's bullshit.
That wasn’t abysmally unreadable, but it was kind of okay. Maybe on the level of that Thor what-if, but more consistent. Where the Thor one had higher highs and lower lows, this one was just blandly readable throughout>>154494017Hilarious(ly painful)
>>154493863You couldn’t at least cure his radiation poisoning god maker?
>>154494163Ultimate U is such a shithole that simply being in it gave Peter cancer.
>>154493717>>154493779>>154493800You know they could have just told Peter about this
>>154493950Kys.
>>154494376It’s fine as a set up, but with it going no where I just felt meh. I’d like to see what an older Pete could do to help the ultimate universe try and be more heroic but taking him off the board by the end of the book means I have nothing to be invested in
>>154494432We literally got >>154493900 as one of the coolest pages. You're not some fag who hasn't read 1610, right?
>>154493475The Ultimate Universe had those Sentinels? And who's the chick fighting Galactus?>>154493655>one over on Lowe because of it having a married Peter.If 616 Marvel just opened one day with Peter being married there'd be an explosion of sales.>>154493496>Can't use the name of a dead heroHa! Irony.
>>154494490Yes anon I read through all of ultimate enough to not really care for any of the characters. As I said it’s not a bad comic but I just don’t care>>154494548No miles is now spider-man in the ultimate universe so pete has to be someone else
>>154493666Listen Miles, I know you JUST heard he was sick but surely you could tell him "There's a version of you in this Universe that's actually still alive and practically immortal. Let's go hunt him down and see if a blood transfusion can't fix you up real quick."After all, that all happened RIGHT before Secret Wars so it should be pretty fresh in your head.
>>154494432The story was less about Peter and more about what a miserable shithole the Ultimate Universe was. Its heroes are violent assholes, millions upon millions of people die on whims, being in the universe is literally killing the guy who represents the general hope and determination of the main MU. Everything about it is corrupted and Maker will never be able to make a "perfect" one because he lacks that heroic spark, thinking the problem is superpowered people and not the missing sense of heroism.Peter's dying but he's the spark that starts a movement for people in the Ultimate Universe to strive for something better than what they've had even though he won't live to see it. It might as well be saying that Peter is the heart and moral center of Marvel and it's greatest hero.
>>154493638>>154493652What’s he planning on doing with those blood samples
>>154494548First off, those are Nimrods, but to answer your question, Sentinels first appeared in the first issue of Ultimate X-Men. Kitty Pryde is fighting Galactus.>>154494583>i read it>don't care about collosus, storm, falcon, and jean I call bs.
>>154494599I mean that’s a solid plan B option but Peter wanted to go home.
>>154494548>The Ultimate Universe had those Sentinels?Yes, in post-Ultimatum Ultimate X-Men.>And who's the chick fighting Galactus?Kitty, happened in Cataclysm. 616 Galactus got sent to the Ultimate U and was weakened so was trying to devour Earth. Kitty's shot up with Pym Particles in the hopes that she'll be able to disrupt his tech, punches him a few times then gets wrecked. Basically, these are all post-Ultimatum events (and Ultimatum).
>>154494664Honestly as that other anon said the real what if here is what if the maker won. They could easily use this as a pivot point for their own “dark multiverse” but who knows. It would be cool to see what could happen but as I said I’m here for one character on the cover and taking him off the board just ends my interest in general. But who knows without ultimate fury maybe these guys actually have a chance to be heros rather than tools of the evil(er) neocons that run ultimate in general
>>154493822So how did OG Reed recreate 616
>>154494709He had Franklin creating the multiverse at that point so that’s presumably how that happened. It was him wielding the powers of molecule man to make the bare bones of the universe franklins childlike wonder to give it the spark of life and then sliced a piece of Owen off into them as the anchor. I don’t know what maker is doing it how
>>154493655>Paknadel is easily one of the more solid writers Marvel has right now.He's kinda untested still, he hasn't really done any long-running books outside of Reb Goblin, which was fine but nothing special
>>154494766He basically says it, he's just running it like an experiment and iterating on his universe repeatedlyNo Franklin to make up bonkers dinosaur universes, no peeling Molecule Men off one by one to inhabit them which in turn cures his maniaJust one Owen, in chains, while the Maker uses his power like he's running simulations
>>154493878>>154493900Well I I can see why & glad that the 1610 universe never made its return, & I read it all to see how downhill it wentHowever, I also like that this Peter is the one who started this movement & lead this universe to a more heroic path. Similar to how Cap was during Civil War, & Iron Lad from the New Ultimates series. Using the same symbolIt would be interesting to see the two sides of the multiverse clash one day. Because this opens the possibility that Since Secret Wars there's now only two sides to the multiverse in their own direction based on the Universe its from. Would this idea be explored? Who knows, but it is something to think about.Hope that Peter finds a way to live. Hopefully someone would cure him
>>154495282I don't understand this "what if". Wasn't 1610 Peter revived by someone? Who was this "someone" and why the spider bite is the current issue instead of that "someone"?
>>154495993>page 10>no replyThat is what I thought, Mileshills. This is just yet another no Miles no Peter nonsense. I wish you all make up your minds whether Miles Morales wants to be Spider-Man or not.
>>154494836So no 616 variants? Just endless versions of 1610 and 1610 what ifs. There’s gotta at least be one version of 1610 with a Franklin
>>154495993No in the logic of bendis the genetic modification that gave Peter his powers made him immortal, why or how? No one knows but he’s free to not be spider-man simply because all 160 issues of him being spider-man apparently happened within a year and that’s to much for anyone
>>154493533Oh, is this referencing that abandoned plotline about the ultra-trillionaire's club?
>>154495993>>1544981081610 Peter was revived by the Oz formula in the spider bite IIRCBy that logic that means Norman, Harry, Miles, MJ, Gwen, and the Spider-Clones are also immortal
>>154493900Oof
>U Kitty, the Mutant Bin Laden, blew up the Triskeleionlolzers
>>154493496that time he honed his spider-sense into becoming an assassin is better than this
>>154493389>1610 Peter had it rougher than 616 Peterno fucking way
>>154493475>Ultimatumlel at Marvel referencing it ever again. In fact, this whole page reads like a walk of shame
>>154498420It’s crazy how what ifs had more substance to them back in the day compared to now. Reading this felt like reading an AI summary of a story. Barely anything happened.
>>154493514I wish we had gotten something like picrel of 616 going up against all his rogues in 1610
>Peter goes to the Ultimate Universe>Gets terminal cancer and will die very soonOf course.
>>154497145Maker keeps iterating out superpowers so chances are low
>>154494583>No miles is now spider-man in the ultimate universe so pete has to be someone elseAnd when Peter and Miles share the universe Miles still calls himself Spider-Man so Peter should get to do the same
>>154493475there's no way Ultimatum only resulted in a million of deaths
>>154493701Since fucking when is Kitty pride this strong? "I went toe to toe with Galactus" is bullshit because she was dosed on Pym Particles then and was still unable to do shit to him
>>154498440I guess he sort of did? Because if you go by Bendis claiming only one year passed between the start of USM and the death of Peter (which I still think is bullshit, because it has to be at least two years at a minimum) Ultimate Peter's life was crammed in with things from 616's high school and college days
>>154493496>Peter has the class to not just move into another universe and steal someone else's nameI don't know how I feel about this
>>154500337Ultimate Kitty could do the Vision thing, increase her density until she was as strong as diamondThat's why it was her punching Galactus, the powers stackedIf any mook with Pym Particles could fight him then they already had a bunch of disposable Giant Men and Stature to throw at him
>>154493342I hate this cover, why isn't the artist able to portray emotion without revealing the mouths? The torn masks look so fucking bad.
This whole thing makes zero sense. The whole point of Incursions and Secret Wars was that the ENTIRE multiverse went to shit and Doom salvaged the pieces. The multiverse already includes every other What If continuity. So how the fuck could there be an alternate version of Secret Wars that ended differently for Peter to end up in Ultimate and for Maker to kill both mainline Reed and Doom?
>>154501551Same reason to why there are multiple AoA what ifsDon't think much about it
>>154501551Omniverse
>>154501595Yeah but an alternate AoA can plausibly result from an alternate 616. it's just one alternate universe. A what if involving Secret Wars means there's a whole ass alternate MULTIVERSE somewhere out there, with another set of Beyonders and other dumb shit. Which by itself makes no sense since the entirety of Marvel is already supposed to be encapsulated in one Multiverse.
>>154501551>he doesn't know about the other House of Ideas over the Hill
>>154500311Considering that Reed destroyed all of Europe, I believe it.
>>154493918You just know the loper who made Jessica Jones wanted this what if made all along.
There is a reason 1610 never returned. I miss 'berto punching the maker in the face. Simpler times, already ten years ago.
>>154500443Peter gave Miles his blessing to use the name.
>>154501823And so it would be very hypocritical for Miles to get upset if Peter wanted to use it too
>>154500286It’s very in character for the white guy to have some sense of humility and understanding and they black guy to go “WE WUZ SPIDER-MAN N SHIT” so that part I think is just sensible world building
>>154493496>Can't take the shit from Miles>Can't share the name like Miles does>He HAS to be different. Miles HAS to be special These stupid writers can't help themselves, can they?
>>154501845It's a different case on 1610 since there was a Peter that went by Spider-Man in the same costume but he died and got better and disappeared with MJ. Miles got in trouble when he first started out as Spider-Man and Peter got a similar reaction from people when he first showed up in Spider-Men.
>>154493900>That symbol at the endAre they the new Ultimates?
>>154502424That team already existed.
>>154501668That's the thing, Richards destroying Europe apparently killed x23 times more people than the whole ass Ultimatum did, which makes zero sense seeing how Ultimatum was a planet-wide catastrophe
>>154493342How does this work in a cosmological sense
>>154502721It doesn’t lol
>>154493459Ultimate Sue being a self-service harlot as always, I see
>>154501551The Source Wall was in Storm's ongoing, this is part of The Dark Multiverse.
>>154503718Marvel writers can put whatever the fuck they want into their comic, that doesn't mean they have authority over what is canon for DC though
>>154502704Could be they were only going with deaths in NYC.
>>154497145That's a sad multiverse
>>154494836I kinda like that. It's a flaw that fits him very well. He isn't fucking up because he's not as smart as 616 Reed, he's just incapable of coming up with a solution like that. He'd never think of letting someone in and never agree to give up even slices of divinity.>>154493878This, though, doesn't make a lick of sense.>It can't be like before, where we have too much power in the hands of too few>So please go to this clandestine meeting filled with exactly the same sort of peopleIt's a shame, too, because exploring that would be an interesting counterpart to NUltimate, as well as the post-9/11 mentality underpinning the original.
>>154503718It was?
>>154502704It's posible that ultimatum just caused a massive amounts of injures that died later and weren't count by the government.Also if maker did killed 23k people where the fuck was him.
>>154503718Storm’s ongoing is written by a braindead tard who’s being paid to jack off to his waifu. Why would you ever use it as a legitimate source for anything?
>>154504191>>154505550"It hurts my feelings" isn't a valid counter-argument. Did you also get triggered by Tales from the Dark Multiverse covering COIE, IC, Blackest Night, and Metal?>>154505296'fraid so
>>154506365>"It hurts my feelings" isn't a valid counter-argumentSo why do you sounds like your feelings were hurt?>Did you also get triggered by Tales from the Dark Multiverse covering COIE, IC, Blackest Night, and Metal?These are all DC events and comics. Marvel writers writing things in Marvel comics has no influence on DC continuity or anything else. Learn to read, nigga.
>"MILES could be here" he thought, "I've never been on this map before. There could be MILES anywhere." The cool wind felt good against his bare neck. "I HATE MILES" he thought, Unlimited's theme reverberated his entire suit, making it pulsate as the aluminum card's worth of wine circulated through his thick powerful veins and washed away his (merited) fear of poochies after dark. "With Lytebyte™, you can go anywhere you want" he said to himself out loud.
>>154506406>I'M NOT TRIGGERED YOU'RE TRIGGEREDOk retard.>blah blah DC continuityWho cares? Marvel isn't doing anything to DC continuity, they're using DC concepts in Marvel continuity.
>>154506501You crying in caps sure makes you sound unbothered and totally not seething.>Marvel isn't doing anything to DC continuity, they're using DC concepts in Marvel continuity.That's the same thing you donut. DC didn't sign off on their concept being used in Marvel so it remains nothing more than an easter egg made for the sake of a reference, like Buried Alien.
>>154504413Indeed
>>154493638Why didn't miles get multiversal spider poison in 616 this is stupid
ultimate bump
>>154508977It's been a thing for a while, the Ultimate Universe supposedly has more realistic scientific laws governing their realityWhen Maker got to 616 he was surprised to find that certain scientific principles are more like suggestions. More easily bent, or outright broken by magic or extra dimensional bullshitSo radioactive Spider bites will just give you cancer in the Ultimate UniverseBut the OZ formula will make you immortal
>>154494655Opening [YELLOW DOOR]
>>154501551Shhh, don't think about it. Just turn your brain off and consume more product like a good cow. Look at the jingling keys. There's a good cow.
>>154494673Does this mean that Miles in the current continuity doesn't want to go back to 1610?
>>154493666>Doesn't assume he's friends with Johnny here tooWhat the hell Pete?
>>154512344He's not THEIR Peter, so he assumes they wouldn't care that much
>>154500385He was never buried alive though, and his Gwen came back to life, and his Clone Saga had way less mind games attached to it (and no miscarried child)
