>Hey you know how Sonic's biggest issues as a franchise tends to be that his fanbase was retarded faggots and other assorted aspies, and that the franchise struggles with its identity due usually taking itself a bit too seriously in awkward ways?>I know we just got the bulk of the old fanbase to die off, giving us as close to a fresh start as possible but here me out.>What if we made it infinitely worse again.Why.
>>154495344People need to come to realize that 06 fucked up this franchise severely and that Unleashed was the first instance of the series soft-rebooting itself over and over.Whatever coordination you believe to see is SOA putting their hands into things - the Japanese do not care about continuity in the same manner like the Americans do.
>>154495344nobody cares about archie>>15449586706 did nothing that the adventure games, hero and shadow05 already did, literally only sonicfags know sonic 06 exist and all normalfags laugh at shadow05 for being the epitome of low quality sonic games instead.sonicfags need to come to the realization that blaming 06 for everything wrong with the franchise is stupid
>>154496024Yeah and I don't give a fuck about Archie either, it was also dogshit for almost every reason IDW is dogshit, my point is why, after the abortion that was Fleetway and Archie, would you when given as close to a clean slate as this franchise would ever get, decide to intentionally shit it up yet a-fucking-gain.
>>154495344Sonic looks kind of sexy here.
I self insert Tails and want to see more of him
Archie Sonic the Hedgehog Comics are out of character and failed to represent an extremely simple character like Sonic. As a result they were shuttered with mandates that forced them to portray Sonic more similarly to the games. Namely the inaccurate presentation of Sonic as a guy who has any interest in dating and romance. Archie gave up the license after an additional three years and now all Sonic media follows strict rules.
>>154497285I insert myself into Tails and want to see more of him
>>154497285Based, I also self-insert as Tails and ship him (me) with all the female characters
>>154497285I never knew you were a girl.https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zmcEuocbSMAPH0Cdu0neR7qOYrOad6dB_PXEnPRM24Y/edit?tab=t.0
>>154497344I only ship him (me) with one of the female characters
>>154497285>>154497343>>154497577>>154497860Losers all of you
>>154498168Shut up faggot.
>>154497318Point of order but the no-romance mandate was actually specifically because of the "Sonic is such a manwhore that nobody who knew him would bat an eye if he fucked several of the women he knows in a single day" thing from Archie specifically. It wasn't a "Sonic has no interest" thing so much as a "you retarded faggots can't be trusted to do anything romantic or sexual period without causing a PR disaster so we're not allowing it period" thing, hence why you have Sega doing insane faggotry of their own like we saw in 06.With that said as objectively dogshit as Archie was, I can't really say any of the others were any better about "keeping sonic consistent as a character" since the official Sega stuff like Black Knight and Prime had him willingly kill off entire populations and IDW seems to think he's an ideologically motivated "I'm totally not a hero I just do hero things but shun responsibility for anything more than a fistfight" character.Sonic's fundamentally been a rotten franchise from day 1. If you strip out the nostalgia and the context of "I was 12 and spent all my birthday money on Sonic 3 ergo I HAVE to love it, fuck you kid down the street with a Nintendo" sunk cost console tribalism even the early games weren't actually any fucking good, hence why nobody talks about anything past their first levels except to complain about how shit every Zone after the first in each game is.The entire thing has always been a schizophrenic mess at war with itself because it has no clear idea of what it wants to be. Adventure up until 06 probably was the closest to a coherent narrative and mechanical identity the franchise ever had, but everyone hates those too because Sonic fans basically hate every entry that has Y for not being X, and every entry that has X for not being Y because they're impossible to please autistic faggots.
>>154496024You live in a world of delusion that even the average /sthg/ user would laugh at.Only on /co/.
>>154495344>we just got the bulk of the old fanbase to die offDid I miss something?
>>154495867>Unleashed was the first instance of the series soft-rebooting itself over and over.i'd say that was Heroes.
>>154495867>SOA putting their hands into thingsSoA has not called a single shot since Sammy bought the company.
>>154498547Nice blog post.Consider this though: make a game that controls well in 3D despite high speed (no cheap deaths), good character animations, and characters not looking like shit. If 3D is something you can sacrifice, Freedom Planet 1 and 2 are actually better Sonic.
>>154495344>Hey you know how Sonic's biggest issues as a franchise tends to be that his fanbase was retarded faggots and other assorted aspiesDon't talk about just half of the story, Sonic team is incompetent and let a bunch of degenerate americans have its ways with sonic bceuase japancucks can't put effort in their writing/gameplay.
>>154497318>>154498547>my extremely simple cereal mascot character with a flat personality is OOC if i give him reasonsYes, because it's a shitty corporate cereal mascot.
Get rid of the shitty friends. It should've been Sonic and Robotnik only.
>>154500196Your autism must be extra strong, you seem to deny reality. Certain few Sanic Friends™ are too popular, and you will not convince people to stop liking them.
>>154500196>>154500275The friends themselves aren't the problem. The actual problem is they're (usually) written like shit and, in the games, play like shit too. Sonic is (again, usually) exempt from both of these, but not always.
>>154500300.......... good point. Want good writing? Have 1 head writer in charge. For Sanic that was never true for pretty much always.
>>154500300Sonic has *never* been exempt from either of these desu, somebody always has some fucking complaint because the fanbase wants the games to be fast with generous routing whenever it demands tight platforming and memorization, and wants it to have tight platforming and memorization whenever it's fast and generous with its zone routing.To say nothing of how shit and inconsistent the writing is, even before IDW was canon the characters were never exactly great at that other than like, Shadow and that was mostly due to him just kinda repeating himself.
>>154499384Sonic's fanbase, due to a combination of a lot of factors like poor health, age, the franchise's reputation collapsing in part due to them, etc, had a moderate population collapse of most of its most infamously retarded fags.Turns out that fat shiteaters with whacky paraphilias and autism obsessed with a funny animal game wasn't exactly key to either a long life or social acceptance of your fan culture.So there was a window there in part thanks to the movies and a few of the "We loosely agree these games at least aren't *shit*" games that got them flooded with enough new blood that a kind of soft reset of the fandom was possible due to the massive difference between the two generations of fans.
>>154495344Want random-ass dogshit? Hire any Sonic fan from DeviantArt.https://www.deviantart.com/aimeearts/art/Adoptable-OPEN-SALE-Exclusive-Artwork-1274081006Want something with at least SOME COHESION? hire someone who obviously isn't just a fan of Sonic, but a fan of many IPs cause at least he has the experience and vision OF AN ADULT. I'm pretty sure somebody here said "Stop overthinking the retarded mascot character but don't be mentally retarded and hypocritical about it like SEGA are".https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zmcEuocbSMAPH0Cdu0neR7qOYrOad6dB_PXEnPRM24Y/edit?tab=t.0>>154500027Good 3D Sonic has been done just like good 3D Megaman has been done.Theyré called:Spark The Electric JesterNitronic RushDistanceWarframe.2D Spark was so fucking good it made 2D Megaman good again.Megaman was treated better by being put on the shelf for 10-20 years. Albeit there's one thing Sonic didn't suffer from... rabbids ... the fucking rabbids.
ood 3D Sonic has been done just like good 3D Megaman has been done.>Theyré called:>Spark The Electric Jester>Nitronic Rush>Distance>Warframe.
>>154497285I want to insert myself into Tails.
>>154500568>Tails without glovesAt least 98 turbo autists are probably freaking out right now. Good, having gloves on all the time is stupid.
Silver cleans my boots.
>>154500543GOOD 2D Sonic with gun has been done before it's called: Jazz JackRabbit 2 (not 1 cause 1 is a piece of shit) and also the unreleased 3 that went 3D.I think JJR could have made for a better cartoon than Bucky O' Hare
>>154500610>Jizz the jackingRabbit
>>154495344>Hey, you know how Sonic's biggest issues as a franchise tends to be that his fanbase was retarded faggots and other assorted aspies, and that the franchise struggles with its identity due usually taking itself a bit too seriously in awkward ways?Is that the problem with Sonic? I thought it was that his games sucked!
>>154500275Yeah, only 2000s babbies that never touched a Mega Drive in their entire lives.
>>154500580Mobians only take off their gloves for sex.
>>154500663Cope
>>154495344Nigger, you ARE the retarded faggot and other assorted aspies!
>>154500667>Every Mobian inherently as a foot fetish and a kink for bare handsWhat an embarrassing species.
>>154500667>>154500704>having big hands and feet is the mobian equivalent of big dicks
I'm forced to discriminate women because they discriminate me.
Nobody reads the comics
Except the 1% of dykes and trannies.
>>154500632>Hedgehog without gunsPathetic.
>>154495344Unironically, what the fuck is OP babbling about?
>>154497243>the abortion that was FleetwaySonic the Comic is a charming little painted children's book. Who has a bone to pick with that?
>>154496024You are mtf
>>154495344>that his fanbaseStopped reading there.
>>154495344Fixed tails, no need to thank me :)
>>154501705He wouldn't be nude. Female mobians are still covered.
>>154501705>AI slopIs this how far the Sonic Fandom has fallen? They can't even get their hands dirty anymore?
>>154500610I literally know nothing about this game except it was made by that Gears of War director guy, who's name has escaped me.
>>154497285>>154497344pathetic tailspedo
Real redpill is that Sonic is not suited for long term comic story tellling. He's a static character focused on helping others with his outlook, then he moves onto the next.
>>154495344His face is so fuckable
Archie is the most entertaining the Sonic franchise has been, bar none
>>154495344Yeah, Sonic is so cool and fast! He's WAAAY passed cool! >Never does anything cool>Basically a meme character now>Mixed receptionHuh, I wonder why nobody seems to like Sonic's escapades much any more.
>>154501705Needs correction.>>154501747The Sonic fandom could never draw worth a shit. You call tracing off a template and changing flat colors without any shading getting your hands dirty?Nobody wants your 6 year old fridge-tier drawings... at the age 22.
>>154501705How's the transition coming, sister?
>>154500568>>154497343self inserting Tails does make me get hit on by dom/tops, I wonder why
>>154501705oh hey the latina tails thread maker
>>154502831I was talking about sticking my dick in Tails.
>>154500600hey ‘iona
>>154502844That's not him, also learn capitals and punctuation. What are you? a faggot? every country has capitals and punctuation. Ay caramba your ma and pa are rolling in their yet to be graves.
>>154496024>nobody cares about archieI do.
Sex with sonic.
>>154501705Make him 32 and have a beer gut.
>>154502867fonzie bro
>>154502867I'd totally fuck sonic but not you
>>154503182That would be Amy. If somebody can find a link to the doc anymore.
>>154503255I’m not into guys.
>>154500704naked Tails looks cute :3
>>154502390In the games this is true. And if we're going by Ship of Theseus, the Archie comics have basically changed so much that it isn't the same guy. I don't think you can make a long chronological story with the original blue guy, and Ian Flynn rightfully pointed it out himself.That just means different constraints, not better or worse.
>>154502849but he's too pure for such a thing
Sex with sonic and tails at the same time
>>154503768Then he shouldn't be such a sexy tease to me when I was playing Sonic 2 as a kid.
>>154503793He has a point stupid slutty tails.
>>154495344The franchise was ruined by retarded mandates that smother all creative concepts in the crib
>>154502535Stuff like SatBK is pretty cool too. Anything written by Maekawa is more interesting than Archie, but Archie is better than IDW and the Sonic X.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDsTdJvZ9Qc
>>154503793>>154503799faggots
>>154503836Yes
>>154501705She despise humans btw
>>154503859>sheIt's a femboi
>>154503859How do you know that?
>>154503859Cool, so she can turn me into a mobian then? I despise humans and hate being human too.
>>154504108Best she can do is submissive hedgehog sorry anon you getting deep dicked
>>154504124I choose submissive fox
>>154501705Fixed Tails. Absolutely no need to thank me. Just doing my civil duty as an artist. :^)
>>154500485That's okay. Zoomer fans will join those numbers too given the uptick in cancer they all have according to scientific study.
>>154504188Based and redpilled
>>154504218Where's the dick? booo-urns
>>154504188>>154504108You do not want to be a fox... at least not when Tails is in her BIG form. >Waah? she doesn't look that bigThat's only her 2nd form. You do not want to see her 3rd form.Maybe you'd have a chance against her 1st form.Tails is no virgin princess Sally waiting for anyone. Tails doesn't just have sex. Tails FUCKS.
>>154504022All mobians, especially females absolutely hate human men
>>154504261No
>>154504258>>154504261>>154501705What are you bastards talking about? You're making me feel left out.
>>154504286All you need to know is that Tails FUCKS only her species that has a heart beat and sometimes not only she eats the corpse afterwards.
>>154504286It's literally in the google doc in the thread. Go Ctrl+F it up.
When are we reading Sonic fan comics again, /co/?
>>154504359Im going to jerk my smelly scared inadequate panis to sonic x tails
Before correction >>154501705After correction >>154504218Fix your waifu with the power of human dick! even if she denies she wants it!
I'd fuck tails and give him the ol reach around, im not a greedy lover
People need to come out and accept that Sonic was NEVER GOOD. Every stage you play is very cumbersome and tedious and not well laid out. Mario just aged better. Simple as.
>>154496024Never played a sonic game except for the original Adventure. Liked it better than other games from around the same time. Here to call you a faggot and also say that you are wrong, but these are unrelated.
>>154504641you're gonna have to ask his wife permission
>>154504745>admit to never played any Sonic game>prove him right>tell him he is wronghuh?
>>154500568Does he have two buttholes?
>>154504826It pulls on your dick
>>154504826two tails, two balls, two holes
>>154504826
>>154504722Yeah Mario games are objectively much better...BUUUT Sonicgamesarefun.
For whatever reason, Sega will do everything with the Sonic franchise other than just try to make a really good platform game. This is why it's been circling the drain, and increasingly relying on "fandom" for decades.All of the modern stuff is just filled with appeals to wiki autism. "Look we referenced that thing from that time. Look we're acknowledging the plot of the old games".
>>154500027Impossible with Sonic.
>>154504722The level design is good, it's Sonic that sucks dick. Sonic would get rekt in Mario's level design or any level layout for that matter.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnXxGIy0wkM
>>154500027Sonic Robo Blast 2 is pretty much my favourite Sonic game, and it's a Doom modhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ia097A0pKNMYou telling me Sega can't make something at least this good, with fully modern graphics and stuff?
I'm warning you anons, do not attempt to fuck THE Fox, not even with green eggs n ham.
>>154495344>that the franchise struggles with its identity due usually taking itself a bit too seriously in awkward ways?That's the issue with every western Sonic story currently, fear of it being too serious. Westerners want to demean it and at quips and silly things just for the sake of being insecere. >you can't expect a story with fast animals to take it self that seriously right?Meanwhile, every good Sonic story in game goes full "Sonic Shippuden" mode without a care in the world. I am surprised Ian didn't do in Frontiers given his comics are full of this retardedness as well.
>>154497285I self insert as Tails and fantasize about getting molested by older men.
>>154505138>it's Sonic that sucks dickSo then yeah. SONIC WAS NEVER GOOD.
>>154495344>Bro, what if we called millions of people aspies and wrote off their talent as mental illness and called for them to be lynched because we’re jealousI’m so fucking tired of you people.
>>154505557His personality doesn't help.
>>154495344I thought his biggest issue was shitty games, cartoons, and comics? >>154495867>the Japanese do not care about continuity in the same manner like the Americans do.The Japanese just don't give a flying fuck about Sonic. They care about continuity when it's a franchise they care about.
>>154504722Only a GTA or CoD fan would queef this out of their crawhole
>>154505201
>>154505138>The level design is good, it's Sonic that sucks dickThe idea with Sonic (his old games atleast) is that you played the levels over and over. When you learned the lay out you can optimize his speed. Definitely works better in Sonic 2 and 3. Sonic 1 has some really bad pacing issues.
>>154505408all us tails self inserts do at some point
>>154505610His personality, his supporting cast, his games, his music, his shows, his comics. None of it was good. Sega lost the console wars because they went whole hog into 90s trends and all they could come up with was poochie. And then they repeated this several more times with every new character they introduced. If Sega really wanted to fix Sonic, the first thing they should have done besides fix his personality is KILL ALL THE CHARACTERS.
>>154505724>his musicBiggest cope of the century. https://youtube.com/watch?v=ziTN-VI_tEk&pp=ygUdTWV0YWxsaW1ldGFsbGljIG1hZG5lc3MgcCBtaXg%3D
>>154505408>>154505701
>>154500648There are more shit games than you could ever play but they don't have fans like ours.>>154505119Blame Lost World. They tried something new and it just ended up being whack Mario.
>>154505768>Beep boop beep boop to sound like buttjazzYeah sorry chief. This ain't gonna beat Zelda's overworld theme
>>154500663I mean none of the fucking genesis games were actually any good. It was all marketing, aesthetic, and console war tribalism. Move past that and all you're left with is platformers that were outdated when they released hidden under flashy tech demos.The first actually good 2D sonic was unironically like, fucking Advance.
>>154505119>make a really good platform gameThey even failed in that back in the 16 bit era. What are you talking about?
>That's the issue with every western Sonic story currently, fear of it being too serious. Westerners want to demean it and at quips and silly things just for the sake of being insecere.That's western gaming in a nutshell. Stateside games vacillate between punk kid slop, preteen ego masturbation, high school drama farming, and college weed paraphernalia. Adults don't play games because social networking is their game of choice.
>>154505803>Weebanon admits to being a pedoShocker
>>154505581Not as tired as we are of you soulless flesh automatons called autists
>>154505848Was there anything sexual there? Ego masturbation is a common term for self-absorbed psychological reinforcement tactics, generally involving socially acceptable outlets like heroism or romance.
Do not fuck ze fox. >>154505201 >>154504426In Soviet SEGA Tails fucks you.
>>154505581based. This guy is a true aspie
>>154495344Occasionally drop into sonic threads for kenders news, does the new book have any pics of Shadally’s daughters?
>>154503767This is comics in general really. Trying to affirm a strict continuity is stiffling (though trying to affirm a lack of continuity comes with its own problems).
>>154505884>Was there anything sexual there?>Social networking is Adults game of choiceYou tell me.
>>154506190This is also true of Silver fans, I've found.
>>154506190>>154505408>>154506190OH YEAH? THEN EXPLAIN THIS: >>154505897>Inb4 not beating the allegations
What if SEGA was red and Nintendo was blue?
Does Sega owe IDW a favor or something?The current comic isn't even pandering to fans of the OCs anymore.They have been dragging their feet, aimlessly teasing the reveal of this "mysterious" villain since fucking November of last year. Eight fucking months.What's the goal here? There's no way this payoff is going to be worth it.
>>154505724the original Sonic trilogy has timeless appeal. it's the rest of the franchise that has the problem.
>>154506366Some people think it is Evans wanting a specific issue number milestone for the reveal.I think that SEGA is causing spinning wheels because they are on the cusp of announcing something but are building up a buffer.
>>154506474By original trilogy, do you mean 1/2/3, 1/2/CD, or 1/2/3&K?
>>154506190hell no. I'm perfectly happy being a weak, pathetic, sub MALE. If anything it's mostly latinos who self insert him, I would know
>>154505789Advance is literally just Sonic 2, with slightly squashed screen-space.
>>1545064971,2,3(&Knuckles)CD is admittedly kind of a weird mess of a game. Neat, but probably not well designed.
>>154500275We need a new Shadow game more than we need a new Sonic game
>>154506601You just got a new Shadow game.
>>154506543Better physics, slightly lower speed, and the larger sprites+simpler and more hardware accommodating level design do a whole lot to solve the constant problems with sonic slipping about or getting blindsided by an impossible to predict without memorizing it ahead of time bad jump or obstacle.Makes platforming way easier when Sonic isn't actively resenting the idea of "staying on the platform you just jumped on".
>>154505581Go change your diaper, fag.
>>154497343>>154500568BASED
The Sonic fanbase was never good
>>154506474They'd have timeless appeal if they were actually any good.
>>154506366It's more that IDW owes Sega. Sega slapped down a bunch of restrictions...buuuut made their comics canon in return, basically levering them most of the way out of reach of the "BUT IT'S NOT ARCHIE" hole and giving them the keys to the fanbase's wallets in perpetuity. IDW in general is hyperdependent on autistic faggots, see their Transformers run, to pay the bills and really, really can't afford to lose Sonic and thus will suck as much cock as Sega requires.
>>154506773they are good. Opinionated internet chuds have completely poisoned people in regards to these games.I can play Sonic 1 right now, and have loads of fun doing it.
>>154506355When I was a kid I made a fake company called “Neighborhood SEGA” and our logo was red. We didn’t last very long.
>>154504822>Can't read>Is also a faggot Wow!
Its only Ian and Evan that think Sonic should still be Archie-esque serious business (TM). Everyone else moved on.
>>154506612A real Shadow gameWith guns and bikes since kids loved that shit in the movie
Tails is proof that the secret to a sexy animal character is the fluff.
>>154507155I mean, Shadow Generations is effectively a whole new game. It has a five hour play time.
>>154500485?
>>154506300...Yes, anon. Adult human beings spend large amounts of time assuring their place in various different social groupings. It's kind of a big deal, people spend most of their teenaged years learning how to do it.How the fuck is a social network a sex thing? Are you even more shut-in than me?
>>154506819Their physics and most of the gameplay decisions [screen size, platforming placement, etc] are bad and nobody likes any of the Zones after Green Hill and its equivalents.
>>154507042>moved on.To what, Netflix?
>>154502840post that in the death battle thread, trust me
>>154507401Marble Zone is literally better than Green Hill Zone. So is Starlight Zone.Everyone loves GHZ because it's what they remember from being kids, before they immediately died in the next stage.
>>154507172>And are you sure this will help us sell our Sonic merchandise better?>The fuck's a Sonic?
>>154507444>marble zoneI'm dying laughing. Yeah sure buddy everyone LOVES slow platforming with Sonic's shoes dipped in fucking butter.
>>154507700It has much more memorable and clever design than GHZ.GHZ is just a low intensity first stage, where you can more or less get by by running to the right.Also, yeah, there's nothing wrong with going slow in Sonic.
>>154497860Tailsream is a boring ah ship these niggas have nothing in common
>>154508661Real men have the balls to just straight self insert as themselves and ship themselves with Vanilla anyway. Why buy the milk when the cow's right there?
>>154495867>>154499417List of Sonic soft reboots:AdventureHeroes06UnleashedColorsFrontiers (rare soft un-reboot)
I just want a challenging game. Playing shadow generations right now and it’s too easy. They just throw S ranks at you. Also I wish they’d kill both the boost and homing attack already. This franchise has the potential to be the greatest play forming series of all time if they’d just put in the effort to make some decent games for once.
>>154508849They’ll never get rid of the Boost because it lets them endlessly recycle the same damn levels from Generations forever and retards will keep buying the same things repackaged.
>>154504218>as an artist
Requesting someone to draw this with Vanilla and Tails
Archie Sonic was>Published before the industry crash>Published when Sonic was still a fresh multi-media IP and continued as the series kept getting new games period regardless of reception>Published by a company that had deals with retailers to distribute outside of LCS'>Said company didn't have strict cancelation lines either>Published when SEGA didn't care about what licensed media were doing with Sonic (in contrast Capcom axed Malibu's Street Fighter comic the second they saw Ryu hold up Ken's scalp)>Published when contemporary superhero comics became bloodier, grittier, raunchier, etc in which there was a vacuum for comics that could safely appeal to kids (not saying it was the only option or even the most successful)The more I think about it, the more I'm oddly fascinated that if just one of these factors didn't apply the series would not have lasted as long as it did.If Marvel or DC had published Sonic comics they'd likely fall off their expectations for sales and other publishers didn't have the same deal Archie attained with retailers.If the industry didn't crash in 1996 similar kid-friendly mascot characters likely would've had their own runs like Crash Bandicoot or Spyro the DragonNow how long those runs would even last is nebulous especially when the popularity and importance of mascot platformers in general declined as the years went on but it's still an observation to the factors that led to Archie Sonic fundamentally having no competition within its very specific niche.
How do we fix knuckle’s shoes?
>>154507042Evan treats the comic more like Steven Universe or TADC. Full of therapy circles and trauma dumping. As gay as Ian can be he at least has a better grasp on the target demographic is than Evan does.
>>154509514Like all obese unloved fatlards who's father wanted a boy not a girl, but the standardless egotistical retard doesn't get it through her thick skull that nobody wants to hear her sad backstory unless it leads to Silence of the Lambs levels of storytelling. Fat people are such fucking ego-driven losers that can't respect people.
>>154508900Nigga you’re just asking for a link to a hentai comic.
>>154508841>Adventurei'd argue it tried harder than all the rest, as it actively acknowledges the prior games, even though the writer is on record saying he didn't like the classic games.Heroes is when the decline started.
>>154508960SatAM is a similar story. it was dark for the time, when the only other dark thing around was Batman.that's why a true reboot of SatAM would never work, i think. you would practically have to go grimdark these days, and no publisher is gonna touch that.
>>154508861This part's easy to forget. Sonic Team has trouble with novel level design now. Good level design is at least the second-most important part of a Sonic game, no matter what you think #1 is you need good levels to do it in.
>>154509971I don't think that's necessarily the caseWhat media the DCAU, Gargoyles, etc do get now aren't seeing a grittiness increase
>>154510055>DCwell i did mention Batman.>Gargoylesdidn't start airing until SatAM only had a handful of episodes left. it wasn't around.
>>154509950>as it actively acknowledges the prior gamesNo more or less than Heroes.
>>154510196there's a literal flashback to Sonic CD in Heroes?
>>154509971>SatAM is a similar story. it was dark for the timeWhat is every 80s rebel action cartoon for $200 ? Bucky o Hare, Biker Mice From Mars, Inhumanoids, Transformers, Swat Kats, etc. pretty sure I'm missing a ton.
>>154510418>Transformersusing anime is cheating>Swat Katsgritty, i'll give you, but not quite as grim.the others: what episode of Bucky O' Hare shows Bucky having a mental breakdown over not being able to save someone? how many episodes of BMFM feature a character death? they're a step above the C.O.W. Boys, let's be real.
>>154495344Powerful sexual energy in that OP. Did you do that on purpose?
>>154510455forgot Inhumanoids.same energy as those grossout balls. '80s had grossout stuff. not really 'bleak' like SatAM.
>>154510455Bravestarr had a kid dying of a drug overdose
>>154510488i liked Bravestarr. Thundarr too. but Bravestarr ended in '88 and Thundarr was over with before i was fucking born.
>>154510461https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nHNHIDduH4Ugh here you go. Keep the change you filthy animal. This isn't even the good stuff.
>>154510461Literally just grabbed the first pic of IDW sonic that came up that I saw more or less.It's good at capturing what an unlikeable cunt he is at least.
>>154510382The story continues directly off of SA2, it's not even subtle. Then they even brought back the Chaotix and made Big a main character again.
>>154510962sounds like it's referencing Adventure more than what came before Adventure. Adventure references 1, 2, 3&K, CD, Jam.
>>154504238I like the series but I hate the franchise
>>154496024>low qualityIt was mediocre but not bad.I'll take a Shadow the Hedgehog trilogy over open world sludge Frontiers 2 any day.
>>154511009>CDYou'll never guess who the main villain of Heroes is >JamIf we're counting visuals then Heroes references classic as well
>>154511048>If we're counting visualsi'm counting the bonus stuff you would get from putting the Dreamcast disc in your computer.and if we're going by number of games referenced, Adventure still takes it. all Heroes would have going for it is Chaotix.
>>154505691AKA>I am bad at Sonic 1
Why is there so much Sonic porn
>>154506366Be glad that the comics are bad, we wouldn't have anything to talk about otherwise.
>>154506543Wrong Dimps game
>>154507753The stages that are just playgrounds for speed and simple platforming are pretty much everyone's favorites. No one is stanning Metropolis, Lava Reef, Crazy Gadget, The Doom, Aquatic Base, Eggmanland Night, or anything from CD.
>>154508849Person who exclusively plays the easy kids game franchise made for kids who want to play easy games:>I just want a challenging game.
>>154508900*Vanilla and Charmy
>>154509971>it was dark for the time, when the only other dark thing around was Batman.We're only talking about color grading, right?
Say what you want about Sonic, at least they do character design right.
>>154511247Please don't run circles around the literally handicapped and jewish and tranny, anon. Neither to 90s furry designs from Underground and SatAm with Bunny & Sally being the only good designs. You want a real competition?Freedom Planet 2 does character design better than Sonic. FP2 is what you should copy if you want diverse designs that still feel like they're part of Sonic's world without being I-Ran-Out-of-Budget Boom and had to repurpose Marine's design and voice for Sticks.
>>154511382You call me out for playing unfair then immediately play the Tyson card like that's not playing all 3 god cards in one turn
>>154511400If you gonna act smug then you better be ready to rumble with the god of miniature furry designs.Sonic always had a problem with shooting fish in a barrel and acting like he's a big shot.Even Megaman beats the crap out of Sonic. You can't say Megaman VS Sonic isn't a fair fight. ;)
>>154511433Outside of a few main characters, most of the MM cast is entirely forgettable.
New animationhttps://x.com/sonic_hedgehog/status/2073176394797142118
>>154511433Megaman does have a better rogues gallery than Sonic for the simple fact that they actually have a rogues gallery and they actually reuse them unlike Sonic-I-Hate-Recycling when I need to, but love recycling when I don't need to.There were some pretty good robot designs in Sonic X which never got reused again.Ironically it's Megaman that needs to face off against giant robots and it's Sonic that needs to face off against fast opponents his own size.
>>154511400Kek. https://tysontan.com/gallery/gallery-others/freedom-planet-2-main4/
>>154511185you're a midwit
>>154511657That makes me the smartest woman in this thread.
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