What does /co/ think about his Azrael mini, Dark Patterns, his Nightwing run, or his Lucifer run? Or any of his stuff really but I imagine those are the only ones /co/ have heard of.He said he has an upcoming DC mini that's in a corner of the DCU he hasn't written before and nicknamed it Project Bolt. What do you anons think it might be?
>>154524728One of the few contemporary writers I trust.
>>154524728I wanna know how long he’s gonna be on Nightwing. He has 12 issues until #154 and his run is decent enough to where I want him to at least get there so this volume surpasses the 1996 volume, because I have a feeling DC will relaunch the book when he’s done.
His Nightwing run has the same problems as a lot of Nightwing runs. Bludhaven is just a really dull setting with nothing going for it. So when they try to give the city some lore or identity it always kind of fails and the villains are always pretty bad. Taylor's run won awards but no one gave a shit about that Heartless guy. He's been completely forgotten. Watters writing is fine but it will just be thrown into the pile of other forgettable Nightwing runs. It goes into the Daredevil-lite category that his character constantly falls into.
The first act of his run had a some good ideas. The cosmic horror elements of the Cirque du Sin were creepy. Watters getting Francavilla to draw Nightwing brought a Batman: Black Mirror nostalgia to the book. Nite-Mite's breakdown was a creative way explore Nightwing lore. Colombina as a literal child of Wertham was clever - Nightwing never gets metafiction or deconstruction arcs.Pity the rest of it didn't hold up. The gang war arc had no purpose and no payoff. Martian Manhunter out of nowhere was dumb considering how little history he and Dick have together. The story ends with Nightwing Prime fighting the Zanni for eternity and Dick just shrugs and moves on. The moments you'd think would matter like the mass destruction of Bludhaven's downtown and Titans Tower have no weight. Dick giving billions of dollars and full control of Alfred's living legacy over to this secret family member he's known for less than a year, then putting her on a bus out of the book is fully retarded.The new act is better. Watters seems way stronger on the one-to-three issue arcs than the painfully decompressed six issue ones. He's clearly comfortable in the horror space and Nightwing is a good choice to explore horror subgenres. And Denys Cowan is a better fit for this style of story than Dexter Wordfilter.
>>154526047He said a few months back that he'd plotted out to #149.They had a chance to reboot for All In and chose not to. They may just keep Nightwing rolling. If it makes it to #150 then legacy #350 is only 13 issues more.
>>154526541>149Bro just write one last 5 issue arc with an annual to round out a last volumeI'll be pissed as hell if the volume ends at 149 lmaoAlso I feel like had Taylor's run not sold abnormally well for Dick they probably would've relaunched it with All In
Watter try too much to follow Taylor run in the second act of his first arc that made it boring(Nitemyte for example), and also made the arc too long for my taste.Thankfully the new arc is getting better, having now being in a shitty position and losing the city against the criminals is interesting and made me want to read how he will win.I still feel he need to focus on an arc about pyg or some rogue, weird how only the rebirth run try to bring back pyg as a Dick foe
>>154526596Watters is the first writer since Devin Grayson to start a new run as a direct continuation of the previous run. Excluding Jurgens being brought in to crisis-manage the Ric Grayson debacle, of course. With the lip-service he's paid to earlier lore (e.g. flyguys mutating from Chemo's attack) it's weird how little he's used established villains. You're right, Pyg would fit right in with the tone he's going for.
>>154524728More Batman-lite garbage. It feels like the New 52 all over again.
>>154526596Watters used Nitemite better than Taylor did though. Anyway you can tell he didn't really want to use them considering how he got rid of everything Taylor did but Dickbabs and the dog.
>>154526761What is Batman-lite about this run?
>>154524728He alright, Dark Patterns was good and his Lucifer was good too, the ending tied it up well. I tried his Azrael but wasn't feeling it and I disliked the art. I ain't reading fucking Nightwing.
>>154527120Dick is sad, depressed, and using his detective skills. Everybody knows that Dick is a happy himbo.
I checked out Dark Patterns after seeing all the praise for it and it came across to me as a mediocre Legends of the Dark Knight arc with a bit more leftism.
>>154527220You wanted to sound cool but ended up looking like a desperate cuck for people in the know. Legends of The Dark Knight did not have a particular style as it constantly changed creative teams after every arc so it does not really have a distinctive style.
>>154527287Legends of the Dark Knight for the majority of its run was "Batman stories that take place in the Year One and Two era" which Dark Patterns also was.
>>154527296Dark Patterns was set later. Robin exists.
>>154527398Are you sure, because Jim Gordon was a Lieutenant, not a Commissioner and I don't remember Robin making any appearance whatsoever.
>>154527414IIRC there was a panel that had the Robin suit in it, can’t remember what issue it was tho
>>154524728His best work was on the Detective Comics backup stories by Ram V. His Nightwing is uninspired.
>>154527414Yes I'm sure. Go reread the comic. Or skim it, there's only a few issues with Batcave scenes.
>>154527191Obvious bait but here's your (You)
>>154524728He's wasted on Nightwing. No writer worth their salt should ever have to touch that shit character.
>>154527696jealousy
>>154527724>Dark Crisis was the worst DC event since MillenniumOh no no no Dickbros... it was supposed to be his time to shine...
>>154527603>>154527657I'll take your word for it, but it's a pointless detail. It works just fine as an early years Batman story.
>>154527976As bad as Dark Crisis was...>Amazons Attack>Future's End>Heroes in Crisis>Event LeviathanTake your pick
>>154527220The other anon was right, you do sound like a cuck. What made TLOTDK good was that it was revolving door of writers and artists giving their all. To say that Dark Patterns is up there with Legends is high praise.
>>154526440>The new act is better. Watters seems way stronger on the one-to-three issue arcs than the painfully decompressed six issue ones. He's clearly comfortable in the horror space and Nightwing is a good choice to explore horror subgenres. Dick is the last horroresque character in the Batfamily. This is the same guy who lead the Titans and is the Robin of Mark Waid’s refried Silver Age slop.
>>154526787>the dogAnd the dog also did write it better, from a animate sitcom dog to an actual dog
>>154524728I've generally liked his work that i've readCoffin Bound was a good read, but a lot of that was due to his DANI art
>>154528170And? Its good to take characters out of their comfort zone and do something new with them.Also one of Dick's best stories is Teen Titans #14, which is probably the most horror-esque they could've gotten in a mainline comic in 1968.
>>154528170You're a casual.
>>154528153There were good, bad and mediocre LotDK stories given that it was an anthology series. Dark Patterns is comparable to the mediocre ones.
>>154528434Yes I know, everything after Knightfall is garbage because the premise was dead.
>>154528314>>154528358He’s not a horror character. Jason, Tim and Damian make for better horror oriented Robins than Dick “I peaked Pre-Crisis” Grayson.
>>154528170>>154528314>>154528480>Haney had him fighting ghosts and demons.>Conway had him fighting satanists and vampires.>Wolfman had him fighting blood-cults and extradimensional demons and cosmic horrors.>Snyder went full psychological horror. >Abnett went cosmic horror.I swear nobody left on this dead fucking board actually reads comics.
>>154528588And none of those guys did horror well. Like lmao, when I read Wolfman’s NTT, I don’t think, “wow, this scary stuff!” I think, wow, this boomer can’t write young people to save his life.
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>>154528465Knightfall was just a temporary interruption, there were a number of good stories that happened afterwards. Going Sane was published very shortly afterwards, and that's a classic. It hit the point of no-return in the 00s when it became another present-day book.
>>154528616I don't care for most of Snyder's work but to say he doesn't do horror well is silly. He started out doing horror comics. Everyone loved Black Mirror when it was released.
>>154526440>The moments you'd think would matter like the mass destruction of Bludhaven's downtown and Titans Tower have no weight.It's funny how nobody at DC reads each other's comic because the DC KO Titans tie-ins had the Titans Tower in Blüdhaven (literally) being sent into space to never return. That issue came out like two months prior to Watters destroying the Blüdhaven Titans Tower in his Nightwing run.
>>154528664Nah, Knightfall opened the floodgates for mainline slop and killed the entire idea of Legends and it would get worse from there. Not as bad as Shadows of the Bat which was supposed to have been Alan Grant’s book before that was ruined.
>>154528749The crossover interruptions were very brief. Writing off an entire comic because a handful of times a year it has to participate in a crossover is cutting off the nose to spite the face.
>>154528731If it was two months prior then Watters had already scripted and sent that issue and that is more on the editor for not informing himtheir parent company fired a bunch of editors so they have like 4.5 editors for all their books so they're all overworked and underpayed to give that much of a fuck about maintaining continuity
>>154528765I have standards, and what they did killed the magic. The only reason why I collected them to a hundred is because I hate having gaps in my stories and I wanted that Jason Todd short in #100. Shane it had to be tied to an immensely boring Dick Grayson origin story.
>>154528683Snyder’s horror is on the same level of Garth Ennis’ horror on Hellblazer; it’s entirely visuals over mood and atmosphere.
>>154528827Standards meaning having an irrational compulsion to have no gaps in an anthology series instead of judging each story on a case by case basis.
>>154524728Azrael was good. Dark Patterns was good but carried by Sherman and the colorist. Nightwing is fine but I think he really wants to be on Batman again. Haven't read Lucifer, didn't know he wrote a series. Project Bolt? Shazam?
>>154528588I don't read those comics.
>>154528588Even Dixon experimented with horror before he started phoning it in. The scarecrow arc early in his Nightwing run with all the phobias and the hallucinations.
>>154524728I don't know, readcomiconline is down so I can't check what any of those comics were.
>>154529590It's funny that in his nightmare, we have Roy banging Donna and Bruce banging Selina.
>>154529590>Even Dixon experimented with horror before he started phoning it in.The Nightwing 1996 run was phoned in from the start. It doesn’t have the level of cohesion or energy that Tim Drakes’s 1993 solo did.
