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>>154572577
>reading TMNT Adventures
>starts meh and childish but grow to like it
>series becomes pretty badass with new exciting characters and interesting developments (time travel, bloodshed, Mikey loses his eyesight, war with literal Devil etc)
>editors hate that and want it to be "family-friendly"
>get promised a great final arc that ties all the loose ends and finally shows Shredder as a serious threat instead of a goofy-ass loser as he'd been all series
>gets axed
>god-awful two-part filler as "the ending"
>years later, "we are still going to deliver it!" ads get published
>cautiously excited
>it never fucking comes out
At least fans actually writing and publishing it themselves. Fuck the editors, man, seriously. Every goddamn time. If they didn't want series to turn dark, then what's the point of NOT correcting course years before? Isn't that your job?
My first experience with shitty editorial. If they didn't want series to turn dark, then what's the point of NOT correcting course years before? Isn't that your job as editors?

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Everything to do with DC Super Hero Girls (Faust version). That show had the makings of greatness and then Cartoon Network just fucking killed it. And it WAS killed, I'm convinced somebody working at CN had it out for the show. Airing it at terrible timeslots, never airing reruns, slashing production of the second season. This show was murdered and I HATE it because it's one of the more enjoyable things of the last decade.

I've legitimately despised Cartoon Network ever since, and I kind of hope WB goes bankrupt just because of this. It'd be no more than what they deserved.

>>154572577
pic related series still being produced

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Bone adaptations being cursed to die.

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Quesada era Marvel were everybody became a an obnoxious degenerate.

>>154572577
>we were robbed of at least three more seasons of Steven Universe because Sugar insisted on the wedding
>Monty Oum's death
>the MLAATR anime that never got off the ground
>STAS originally being closer to the Golden/Silver Age comics

>>154572577
the batman who laughs
the rape of doctor manhattan's character and lore

>>154572602
I'll tell you what happened: it was a Girl Show. Specifically a Superhero Girl Show. Network execs would literally rather kill themselves than let those icky girls have fun.

>>154572598
The original Mirage comic didn't even get a ending it just stops and we get a splash page.

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>>154572577
I mourn the premature deaths of Earth's Mightiest Heroes and Spectacular Spider-Man, the last good Marvel cartoons. But what I truly despise is the fact that I'm consistently relieved they can't be revived due to the legal limbo they're in. Greg Weisman has completely lost my trust after Young Justice proved he needs tard wranglers restraining him and not creative freedom, and I know that any EMH revival would result in losing the circumstances contributed to its quality, especially as they wouldn't resist the urge to "modernize".

It just reminds me that practically everyone in the industry today are objectively degraded from the people they once were (for the veterans) or blatantly inferior to the people before them (for the new ones).

>>154572577
the list of things I've let go of would be a lot shorter.
Just everything where they ruined it with faggotry, trannies, racist recasting, recasting because somebody got canceled over some bullshit, or.. just everything that was great but then came back after its finale and sucked.

>>154572598
I mean
did anyone really want those in literally 'the comic of the cartoon except even toonier-looking' ?

>>154572653
>wanting more of SU
you really are a braindead cretin, aren't you?

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>>154572577
Gambit being activity fucked on by the writers of Deadpool, Thor, and one other I can't remember offhand, because his 99 run was outselling them by a significant amount, so they went to Bob Harris and convinced him to include Gambit's ongoing to add to the cutting room floor during a time they were canceling X-Men solo books because they weren't turning a dime, even though Gambit's was actually one of the most successful runs they had at that given year.
It's maddening and I wonder what the next arc could have had if it didn't get the axe because the writer for that series was great

>>154573011
Ever since they successfully ousted Shooter and thus won the right to no longer be accountable to anyone as a job requires, the comics offices have become such high school cliquey bullshit straight out of Mean Girls. Look at the entire saga regarding the Brand New Day acolytes on Spider Man.

>>154573024
>Marvel does the best it's ever done under Shooter
>dumb hippies (and Byrne) successfully run him off
>Marvel never does that well again

Does anybody who's ever written for Marvel since ever bothered to think that maybe they NEED the firm hand of a strong editor to achieve their maximum potential? Or is the whole company basically crabs in a bucket?

>>154572598
I still want Null to come back. He was a terrifying villain who should have been a lot more popular in the fandom than he is. He should have been in the 2012 cartoon. The fem version in IDW is nothing like him here.

>>154573040
Aren't there stories of the Bullpen just being and acting like a frat house, trash everywhere the place stunk of weed?

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>SatAM elements stripped away to force more game elements instead of them being two worlds
>Ian Flynn stops a return of SatAM Robotnik, due to him having a bias for more than one Robotnik existing despite their being tons of variants of him existing in the games and shows
>Fiona's heel turn never explained
>Scourge and his FF pals having no character direction at all
>All villains forced to become subservient minions to Eggman and heavily nerfed.
>Never reach the highs of Endgame ever again of a proper Sonic vs Eggman final battle for the ages
>Fandom suffering from toxic shippers and elitists throughout the entire run making the community a shit hole
>No reprints
>No proper trade paperbacks or hardcovers made

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>>154573040
>Does anybody who's ever written for Marvel since ever bothered to think that maybe they NEED the firm hand of a strong editor to achieve their maximum potential? Or is the whole company basically crabs in a bucket?
I personally blame the mythologizing of Executive Meddling as inherently at odds with the creative process. Always framed as mean 'ol suits ruining the "vision" when in actuality, in many cases the writer has gotten too wrapped up in themselves to realize that the idea is shit because they're too close to it, or is seething about being told "no" and/or reminded that they have an audience to consider.

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Jeff Loveness's Nova run being smothered in the crib.
Having Dick and Sam essentially be a space-faring Batman and Robin was such a cool idea, and I'm not even sure if the two have interacted since the book was canned. I actually stopped buying floppies for the most part because having this book die really made it hit home how voting with my wallet wasn't doing shit. I also wonder if having this book die broke something in Loveness, because he went off to the Rick & Morty camp and never wrote anything good again.
>>154572602
This is just what CN does with every show that isn't TTG. I saw it happen myself with Sonic Boom.
>>154573067
Maybe not "final battle for the ages", but the LIMIT fight from #175 always struck me as one of the coolest, most memorable fights the two have had. Reading it as a kid felt like a moment where shit got very real.

>>154572577
Streaming kind of ruining cartoon discourse cause entire shows are just dumped and thus everyone is forced to binge watch and thus the shows fandom lasts the life span of a summer may fly before everyone collectively forgets about it. You don't get time to stew over an episode and speculate what will happen next.

>>154573171
I feel like entire seasons being "done in advance" also had a negative effect on how writers approach writing episodically. Pacing feels more like I'm watching a movie with awkward cuts than watching "episodes".

>>154573194
It's like we've looped back to movie serials.

>>154573024
>>154573040
Obligatory letter from Vince Colletta after Shooter was ousted from Marvel:
>Marvel Editors…you are the droppings of the creative world. You were destined to float in the cesspool till urine logged and finally sink to the bottom with the rest of the shit but along came Jim Shooter who rolled up his sleeves and rescued you.
>He gave you a title, respectability, power and even a credit card that you used and abused. He made you the highest payed Editors in the history of the business. He protected you against all that would tamper with your rights, your power and your pocketbook.
>He backed you against all Prima Donna free lancers no matter how big…his pockets were always open to you. No cry of help was too small for him to turn his back on.
>As heard in the "Brass" section of the company…"He never asked for anything for himself…always for his men."
>The roof over your head, the clothes on your back, the car you drive and the trinkets you buy for your blind wives and girlfriends you owe to the Pittsburg kid.
>For all he did for you…you repayed him by attacking him like a pack of yellow, prickless faggots. Ripping away his flesh from his body and laughing and pounding your chest like conquering ghouls and long after his bones were dry you continued to pour salt on them to squeeze every ounce of pain out of him.
>Not the slightest whimper or cry or tear came out of this man. With you still biting at his ankles, he put on his coat and walked away…>Displaying more class and poise in defeat than all of you did in victory…Jesus had one Judas…Jim had many, those that speared him and worse, those that watched…
>I stuck by him and for that you've nailed me on the same cross…I thank you for that…It's an honor to be crucified with Jim Shooter…a man who none of you will ever be.
>--Vince Colletta

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>>154572577
Disney buying Fox just in time to kill the Mouseguard movie. I'd talk to Peterson at cons about it. He was totally was blindsided by it. Of course, he also had given them them the videogame rights which didnt default back to him and will remain in limbo for a few more years. So Peterson is sitting on his hands and cant make games, films, and anything but books about Mouseguard just to make the humiliation complete.

Worse still. There was no concrete excuse. As far as I can tell someone at Disney said something about how they already have a mouse movie and thats it. I dont know if that was a dumb rumor or did an exec think it would compete with the Paul Rudd series or what.

To beat home my hatred, this movie was already in production. They had the physical models and art done and were doing animations, not yet doing fur renders. They cancelled it at a time where it made two years of everyone's time and probably several millions absolutely wasted.

>>154573536
OP, you should just kill yourself at this point.

>>154572577
Tadc movie flopping

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>>154572577
Miraculous Ladybug becoming a 3DCG monster of the week show that goes nowhere instead of something closer to the PV. I stopped watching after season 2.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlwV3scCgAM

>>154572577
Hmmmmm, let's see.
Bat-embargo and never getting Batgirl in JLU is a big one.
Stargirl not getting another season.
Cleopatra in Space ending on a cliffhanger.
Star vs. botched ending.
Pretty much all of modern pop culture being complete shit.

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>>154572577
The Dark Crystal series on Netflix getting shitcanned after 1 Season
You'd think someone would want their own "LotR" series or anything with name brand recognition on it like The Jim Henson Company but I guess Boss Baby was too lucrative of a concept to not share the funding to other shows

>>154572577
I'm still bitter about how discourse regarding /co/ media has degraded to the point where we have almost nothing beyond culture war shitflinging, pseudo-intellectual word-vomit and some of the most pants-on-head retarded takes I've ever heard, usually spewed from fanfiction-brained shippers and chronically-online waifufags, some of whom have managed to force the hands of creators or, worse yet, became creators themselves.

It's more like bitter resignation at this point but it still sucks that the last season of venture bros was hacked into the movie that was not a satisfying conclusion to the series but used all the plot points ensuring we will never get a proper final season even if the opportunity presented itself for some reason.

>>154573561
It flopped?

>>154572577
OMD.

Barbara Gordon no longer being wheelchair bound.
These fucking ghouls will scream up and down about representation but ill never forget how they cheered after taking away the character that represented me.

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Morrison's Action Comics being ruined by Morales' god awful ugly art.

Ellis' Injection being cut short by his cancellation

RWBY Ironwood treatment, especially when their "plans" was getting bailed out by the authors

>>154573536
This is the only post here that has the name "Paul" in it.

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>>154574761
>Fans sympathize too much with Ironwood in Volume 7 due to trusting the protagonists immediately (a faith they betray by lying to him - after spending V6 whining about Ozpin doing so), being as helpful as he can, having an ACTUAL PLAN with the Amity Satellite to get comms back up, and his main detractor Robyn being a bitch (plus the whole "Salem the immortal is coming personally" thing making his sap decision to cut losses and abandon Mantle seem reasonable)
>First thing the writers do to try and turn the audience against him is shoot a civilian councilman in the face in V8's first episode, then later nonsensically threaten to nuke Mantle himself while Salem is taken out anticlimactically by Ozpin's Cane-bomb Ex Machina

>>154574872
>Then later nonsensically threaten to nuke Mantle himself

reminder the writers call holding a city at gunpoint a genocide

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>>154572577
Grant Morrison and Jim Lee bitching out with their Wildcats relaunch. I never got excited about comics the same way after getting cock teased with this.

>>154573695
Can’t have a story about an unduly lauded holy class of ugly beaked monsters poisoning the world and preparing a genocide of the local magnanimous people in THIS climate, people might start making parallels about their own situation, there.

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>>154572577
still mad
>>154573077
pretty much, a good editor should be challenging ideas, if the creator is confidant they should be able to fight for it or give up if its a weaker one, it can go both ways sure, but the idea they are just leeches is a bad mindset.
pic related is a good example of someone who needed an editor or a producer to keep them on track

>>154572577
no dark crystal season2!

>>154573787
What sucks to me is it’s all disingenuous discourse. I no longer believe the people are actually interested in talking about cartoons. They just want a reaction to whatever they post, like literal children crying for attention.

Disney still owns Fox.

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>>154574814
Yeah...

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Common Side Effects not getting the recognition it truly deserves. I will die on that hill saying that the first season is the greatest execution for an animated series. I took a long break from /co/ and it happened at the time Common Side Effects came out. I just want to enjoy another good general thread of a show I enjoy. What we have now for generals are sickening?
>Am I so out of touch? No, it's the children who are wrong.

>>154572577
Disney raping the public domain into oblivion

>>154572602
It had the unfortunate fate of being a DC show on Cartoon Network. It's like every one of those shows was intentionally sabotaged and killed by Cartoon Network. Buried in the worst time slots they could get and never reran. Their treatment of their DC shows was very and obviously intentional.

>>154572653
>MLAATR anime that never got off the ground
The what? There was an anime version of that show being talked about? Like seriously talked about or just speculation?

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He didn't listen...

>>154576193
Like what they did with pulling DC Nation, so they could later announce YJ and GL:TAS were cancelled and burn off their remaining episodes when it was too late to save them.

>>154573011
>writers of Deadpool
Joe Kelly?

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>>154572577
Constant rape of Avatar franchise
Megas XLR cancelled
The Critic webisodes
Mission Hill cancelled
Motor City cancelled
Killing Joke movie
Dark Crystal cancelled
Dragon Prince
Ducktales reboot
Boondocks Season 4
Rescue Rangers Movie. I just really dislike it overall, the Gadget thing was bad but there was way worst shit that people don't even talk about.

>>154576239
Pretty much. It was like after the initial run of DC animated shows in the late 90s and Teen Titans Cartoon Network decided they never wanted another to be popular and they drowned them all out. I can't help but wonder if it's in some wild attempt to support Go they've been doing this. To try to avoid any possibility of conflicting interpretations of the characters being an issue for the audience they assume can't tell them apart.

>>154572577
Mr. Mind getting shafted in the Shazam movies

>>154572577
Hanazuki season 2 being slice of life garbage.

>>154572848
Cope

>>154572577
We never got Dino complete vision of Moral Orel

>>154576021
Everyone on the internet suddenly became twelve years old.

>>154572643
Good. It dodged a bullet.

>>154573787
way too many boards have gone to complete shit

>>154573787
this is just the internet in general now, just look at the discourse around starfox and how like 90% is just blatant fandom squatting.
its the result of the internet becoming peoples primary source of entertainment as well as a source of income, so everyone is jumping on every hint of a trend they can and picking random sides to bet on

>>154573445
Vince was a terrible inker but damn was he a bro for this
>least loyal italian

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>>154572577
>Samurai Jack ending with Jack alone and unlikely to see his friends ever again
>Spiderverse getting popular and making Miles stick around for longer
>TCW and Rebels being baby shows that contradict the EU and make it worse
>Bruce sperm gun from Batman Beyond
>Viv actively ruining two shows and unironically finishing one with a care bear stare

>>154572643
That's a good thing. I can't even decide on how old Bone's voice should be.

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>>154572577

Dan Didio shitcanning Cassandra Cain for 20 years and outright prohibiting writers like Grant Morrison from using her because he personally didn't like the character. I will never forgive this shit, not ever. He did so much damage to one of the best characters ever conceived that it can never be repaired, all for nothing.

I will go shit on his grave when he dies.

I am still bitter about syn-bionic titan.
it was an amazing show and lessons in love is one of the best episodes ever made.

>>154572602
holly shit, I came here to post this lmao.

season 1 was so good

>>154572577
The ending of Bone. Even when I read it as a kid it made no goddamned sense and years later it still doesn't. There is absolutely no good fucking reason for the Bone brothers to leave the Valley after their respective arcs other than for the story's convoluted need to have it end where it started.

>>154572577
>My sister running away, getting knocked up, getting addicted to drugs and getting knocked up again by a different guy, then doing more drugs and now we aren't sure where she is.

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>>154572577
Disney buying Star Wars. It was 13 years ago and I'm still mad. I think I'm going to spend the rest of my life being mad about it. For /co/ specifically, I hate how the Clone Wars became the blueprint for the next 10 years of Star Wars content instead of just another cool thing for the pile. Plus there was a noticeable decline in quality when it came back after the buyout.

>>154577142
Oh you meant /co/ related
She met the first guy at a comic book store.

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>>154572577
Tron Uprising. Legacy was awesome, and Uprising, with its stylized-as-fuck animation aesthetic, great voice acting, and fucking kino score was one of the best action series to come out of Disney in decades.

And then they went and stuck it on DisneyXD, on Sunday nights, at fucking midnight. All because Disney purchased Star Wars and some faggot executive decided that Disney was only allowed to have one sci-fi property so the others all needed to be fucking smothered in their crib.

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That a guy who despises comic book movies and superheroes is in charge of the DC film division. In 5 years, the closest thing he's done to a faithful adaptation is Superman and he still fucked the character up, along with several unrelated ones.

>>154577079
>Samurai Jack ending with Jack alone and unlikely to see his friends ever again
But the whole point was for him to get back to the past (Samurai Jack) and prevent Aku from ever creating that world in the first place. But yeah they did do it pretty poorly, and gave a slightly different ending in the game.
>Spiderverse getting popular and making Miles stick around for longer
Yes
>TCW and Rebels being baby shows that contradict the EU and make it worse
I remember TCW being decently fucked up at times.
>Bruce sperm gun from Batman Beyond
Yes, best thing to come out of it are memes
>Viv actively ruining two shows
Yeah that was fucked
>finishing one with a care bear stare
What?

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>>154572577
No Mao Mao Season 2
No Toil & Trouble
Netflix cancelling cartoons
The Death of Cartoon Network
Nickelodeon's 2018 Pilots Still in the Vault
The current state of the animation industry

>>154577829
Disney buying Blue Sky...
No Anubis...
I could go on

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>>154572577
The usual

The Good Avengers show being cancelled so that they can force out really half assed Movie synergy tie-in cartoons instead for the next decade.

Thundercats reboot being unceremoniously cancelled for a more toyetic show, and everyone considering that it was a miserable failure that no one watched.

Disney buying Star Wars so they can have a boy's demographic brand and then immediately putting all their Freeform executives in charge of it who just continue doing what they always did, make YA novel style girls series out of it starring the exact same faces and personalities that make up every Freeform series.

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>>154572577
Green Lantern after 60 years of being a B and C grade book FINALLY gets a really good run under a good writer, becomes one of the top books in DC, finally made something, people care about the franchise, the villains are upgraded into something likable for once,

...and it all gets torn down by a really shitty movie adaptation by a guy who specifically wanted to make a movie with jets in it. Earner and DC decide the general public hates the concept of Green Lantern, he stops appearing in everything, no more movies, shows, or cartoon appearances anywhere, 5th rate writers are slapped onto the book because DC considers it to be a 5th rate concept all over again.

Now Green Lantern only exists as a vehicle to make a JLA minority character of the week, to be immediately tossed out in favor of a new one a year or two later.

>>154572577
The Heroes for Hire #13 cover controversy, which was the first time I understood what a SJW was before we had that term. From that moment on, people should have been on guard, but instead, everyone capitulated to them, and we have been suffering under their boot ever since. You cowards.

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>>154573825

I'm with you in that it sucks that the creators got ratfucked out of Season 8 but by their own admission they only had about 4 episodes mostly finished when the axe came down (Doc Hammer being a paraplegic around this time really seemed to hurt their script output).

I have an ounce of hope that maybe we'll get another long-form special or something but yeah, the Season 8 dream is dead.

It'd be awesome if the 2 of them would try to write something else but at least Doc seems to be very ride-or-die for Venture Bros. only.

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>>154572577
Disney's cannibalizing of Hulk. They took one of the most modular characters in their possession, have done nothing with him but make him a comic relief sidekick, and gave one of his most popular stories to Thor's faggot director. Why the fuck would you make Planet Hulk into a Thor movie?

>>154573825
>>154577978
tfw I'll never get to see Season 8 with my future grandchildren in 20 years.

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>>154577989
Plus add onto She-Hulk being a braying jackass.

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>>154572577
I will never see this return.

>>154572644
What do you mean? His good friend Black Cat came over for a nice chat and sat on the couch and now he's sad because it's destroyed.

>>154577978
I cannot really say Venture Brothers was screwed over after it had an incredibly good run for over 20 years.

When Adult Swim routinely cancels things after the first season 90% of the time. Venture Brothers had a ridiculously long run for decades. It was definitely not cut short.

>>154572577
Arkham Knight was ALMOST a superior Red Hood.
If they made his motivation that Jason realized his entire life AND his death was about Bruce, it would've been perfect.
Make it so
>Jason's dad was a mob enforcer caught by Batman. Jason later forgives Bruce for this because ultimately Bruce was in the business of putting criminals away
>Jason's mom began using Jason to get money for her drug addiction since prices had gone up from Batman putting dealers away
>Jason was only adopted by Bruce because Bruce had empty nest syndrome from the awful falling out between he and Dick
>Jason was tortured and subsequently killed by Joker specifically to bother Bats
>Bruce made a fake death for Jason in order to protect his cover
>Talia revived Jason specifically as an olive branch to get back with Bruce after their first breakup
Make it completely believable for him that no one ever gave a fuck about him. Make him a more tragic Prometheus.

>>154577855
>Disney buying Star Wars so they can have a boy's demographic brand and then immediately putting all their Freeform executives in charge of it who just continue doing what they always did, make YA novel style girls series out of it
They tried to do similar bullshit with fucking Marvel and Indiana Jones. I don't understand these people.

>>154576999
Sounds like he's utterly loyal to me. He went down with his bro with a smile.

>>154572577
>What things are you still bitter about, /co/?
/co/. It should have aged with me having Socratic debates about the political alignment of Top Cat’s crime syndicate or the series progression of Raven’s ass instead of regressing into some kind of anti-fun autist schizo daycare. I blame (You) personally.

>>154573695
Netflix's business model is getting as big a subscriber bump they can in the first season. After that their metrics show later seasons don't really move that needle so they don't care. They've talked openly about this in various articles. It's why they always seem to abandon even very popular shows. Unlike traditional studios/networks who look at ratings, their only concern is getting and maintaining more subscribers.

>>154573787
4chan in general was way past its prime when the big hack happened, now what's left is a shambling corpse.

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Next to Avengers #200 this is the most misogynistic thing Marvel has ever printed.

I came into this thread expecting the "they didn't get the spices right" quote

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>>154573787
Because there is barely any media coming out these days to talk about.

We no longer live in a world where where 20-30 new shows appear every fall, with climax season/series endings around December/January, with about 10-15 more shows appearing on the landscape in early spring for sweeps. In the past we would have had 20 different somethings new like an episode to talk about every single week.

We live in a world where the major streaming service providers make seasons consisting of about 6 episodes, and a new season happens every 2-3 years, and there are only about 10 total new shows out each year. And indy studios churn out episodes of a new animated series at the snail's pace of 1 episode every 3-4 months at a time.
The animation industry has basically collapsed three years ago. The movie industry also mostly collapsed except for the random big tentpole $200million movie that Disney or Warner churns out every 5ish months. Majority of those ending in miserable failure.

So the only things left to talk about are the big movies that ended in failure, or the new episode of some indy YouTube series, since there really is nothing else to talk about.

It's the Decline Era anon, we live in the past because there is no future.

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>>154579108
>It's the Decline Era anon, we live in the past because there is no future.

This is a frustratingly true statement.
We live in a world where we are ruled by senile 80 somethings that desperately want to force everyone into a rose colored image of 40 something years ago.
The only new media is just remakes and updates of something that was made 40+ years ago
The only music we have are endless 80s songs from 40 years ago
No one is looking ahead or making anything new, it's only remember the past, talk about the past, try to live in the past as much as possible.

Meanwhile the entertainment industry has suffered loss after loss after devastating loss so for entertainment we really are living in the decline era of our society.

>>154578613

We have Mike Lazzo to thank for it sticking around as long as it did. Prom Night could have served as a great series finale but then they got renewed for a 5th season, then a 6th season, and then 7 & 8 were greenlit together if memory serves.

I disagree that it wasn't cut short because there was absolutely a plan for more before the pivot to the movie forced them to take a hand grenade to their original plans.

We were blessed to get those extra 3 seasons plus the movie but it still stings knowing that more was in store and the creators still had sauce left in their bottle.

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>>154577891
Man, Kyle was so cool.

>>154576130
Man I completely forgot this even existed. All I remember that was notable was mike judge having a hand in it

>>154576873
and the 12 years olds are being paid to do it

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>>154572577
I'm not bitter about anything. At worst I'm mildly disappointed.

>>154577891
Which run is that? The Geoff Johns stuff? Blackest night looks cool.

>>154572577
Obligatory shared mutual loathing of modern Marvel Editorial, now out of excuses, market share and time but still holding on because these hack frauds know they can't possibly cut it in any other industry without the mouse money to keep their dead IP farmstead empty.

The Brevoort mandate, and effectively every embittered degenerate at editorial who missed what made KLH work except for the most superficial elements. All the worst decisions about ASM stem from wanting to keep a version of Silver Age Peter alive and stunted.

It's like that Simpson joke about Cletus needing to keep nothing growing on his paddock.

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>>154572643
This is something I'm forever thankful for.
>>154577104
I always read Phoney in a Wallace Shawn type voice. Fone Bone is perhaps a kind of Billy West I think would be good. Smilkey is hard to place. Maybe kind of Yogi Bearish.

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You know it was coming. It's a safe answer. But I don't care. And it's been decades.

>>154576181
This is the biggest one. So many good comics and cartoons don't have a way to purchase them and the publisher's gone under, but if YOU try to print/publish it your ass will get sued.
Even worse is when they own the media, but just keep it hostage and will not let you have it. Disney again is the worst with this. Where's my fucking Infinity gauntlet book or Frank Miller daredevil omni? Why can't I read those stories? Where's my unbutchered Scrooge McDuck collecfion? Where's the theatrical cut of Star Wars, you assholes bought fox so now you own that too.

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The cancellation of Spectacular and EMH is one of the greatest tragedies to face action animation. I understand Spidey was rights issues, but Avengers was pure intentional retardation

Canada going from 55% homegrown content to 35% has completely killed our animation industry.
We don't make anything like ReBoot or Beast Wars anymore.

You know what upsets me the most? The realization that I can't get upset anymore. Nothing surprises me anymore. I expect the worst out of everything. Even if something decent comes along I don't trust it will last. And i just can't get passionate about things I used to love.

>>154572577
Mao Mao getting cancelled

>>154579582
We were told the series emotional heart being ripped out would be worth the stories to follow, that the marriage was holding back.
Two decades on and we are STILL fucking waiting.

We've got puppet parodies of characters now that just react to endless events. Peter is a nub of a character without anything beyond the suit. MJ lived her living nightmare with a Clyde without comment or inner monologue because she's a husk of a Human being. More catch-phrase than character.

Editorial really stole their souls.

>>154579778
You retards ruined that shit with your faggotry.

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>>154579793
See that's the tragic part. If this took the character and series into actually interesting and meaningful places I might have accepted it. I wouldn't be happy but I could accept. Even the post OMD stuff that was decent, was only ever just decent. There's been moments of occasionally entertaining stuff but it still all just feels like it's going through the motions. It's hollow. And the biggest issue here is that they can't even commit to the actual new change. They constantly bait fans by keeping Mary Jane around and teasing if they're gonna fall back in love. I'll give Spencer some credit for trying but editorial cock blocked him hard. It's all just noise.

You want to know what I think the saddest part is? Let's say they do buckle. Let's say they undo OMD and we can all move on with our lives. It still won't matter. The new marriage, the new romance, will just exist to overlap and replace the older better stories and going back really just shows the past couple decades have been absolutely meaningless. I worry it's almost just too late. 20 years of this shit. DC undid the new 52 after like what? 6? Not a short time but not a lifetime.

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>No mention of Adventure Time or Finn or Princess Bubblegum or Marceline
Is /co/ healing?

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>>154579865
You can't get emotional highs like your pic because things are shallower by design.
As a feat, when objectively compared to the more ludicrous stuff Spider-Man pulls off in modern series, digging yourself out of a grave is comparatively humble. It's not even unique to comic book characters.
But because JMD absolutely nailed the emotional connection, the yearning and stakes to perfectly marry the art, it elevates the act and story to something else.
He can't have a connection like this to anyone except Aunt May, which is giving him all sorts of creepy Oedipal tones over time as he won't develop any deep connection with anyone as they get clipped in the wings by the mandate.

Just evergreen overgrown manchild quipping and thwipping in a spider-saturated New York along with all the others. Nothing matters. None of this matters.

That said, whilst I don't think they will just retcon twenty years (even if that is effectively what they did with their lazy never married retcon), they will with a changing of a guard finally lack the sunk cost hurt ego at the top keeping them out of step with the rest of the much more lucrative franchise which saw the forest for the trees decades ago.

>>154573169
>Sonic Boom
Wasn't that Dead on Arrival because Sega's multi-media marketing strategy was ruined by the leading element, the game, being poorly received? It was too late the cancel the cartoon but there was no way they'd put more money into it. It's said that's WHY it's the way it is; there were no stakes and the staff could do what they wanted.

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When Joe Quesada kicks the the bucket, His grave is 100% going to be unmarked. Because people will make pilgrimages just to piss on his grave.

>>154579965
At this point it's more than Joe Q, everyone who had a hand in BND has gotten to the run to the point we're having a second secret cousin plot on our way to #1000.
Because that's what a barrel sounds like when you've scraped past the bottom.

>>154579909
I cannot tell why anyone would still actually care about adventure time. It was a 7/10 show at best. There have been worse betrayals.

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>>154579958
The problem is that so many stories today are short sighted and immediate and yet somehow long and draw out at the same time. Nobody wants to put in the leg work to develop these characters over the years it took for all our most memorable stories but they want to catch the same highs right out the gate and it doesn't work. Books don't even last a fraction of the time they used to so everything has to rush rush rush but in a book like ASM the big changes were gradual. They took time. Gwen was around for 8 years before she died. And this was 8 years silver age time were single issues were more impactful and they didn't take a whole year to tell one story.

>>154577989
I thought there was still some lingering contractual obligation with the Hulk's film rights that basically left no room for him to be anything BUT a sidekick in the MCU and never the main character on his own quest.

>>154577891
>Earner and DC decide the general public hates the concept of Green Lantern, he stops appearing in everything, no more movies, shows, or cartoon appearances anywhere
Don't forget that whenever he does appear in things, Halloween is treated like a joke and the corps gets wiped out

Jon Kent was one of the most interesting things DC has had in modern history and they let Bendis ruin him.

>>154580055
There was. Universal got all the money for solo Hulk films. It expired years ago.

>>154580018
They don't want to linger on the emotional impact of all these big ticket NEVER BE THE SAME reveals, which means every time they pull a stunt like it the audience is trained to not take it seriously. Why should we? The characters don't.
There is only so much suspension of disbelief that can be allowed before continuity snaps, and you aren't looking at a character with a thorough-line and a relatable mind at that point but a IP recognisable mascot being put through the caper of the day.
Which is all they want, which is a shame as for nearly half a century we really had something more. I'm in my twenties but reading past Spider-Man is what made me a fan, I find modern stuff like sandpaper to read, they try to relate but it's so clearly a guy in their sixties trying to speak for the youth and it dates it worse than the Lee era dialogue.

>>154580169
It doesn't even feel like we have a status quo anymore. How can we? When it takes 5 issues to tell a story that used to take 1 and we have an event every year. A team book will barely even get it's roster set up before breaking down.

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>>154572577
Winsor McCay dyring early and randomly. The yguy could've given us insane WWII kino but instead his work is essentially buried and forgotten.

>>154580148
Pretty sure there are lingering contractural complications left even though that agreement expired. Enough to make a solo Hulk movie too troublesome to bother, or at least they’re too greedy to bother. I’m not going to pretend I care. Discussing corporate legalities and sales figures as replacement for opinions on creative works is something I despise about modern fandoms (not that I’m not guilty of it, just tired they overwhelm all creative decisions).

>>154579909
>healing
MORE LIKE ROTTING.

>>154580252
Look at Death Spiral, five fucking issues for an effectively no powers serial killer. And we still didn't have any introspection, grief or character work beyond killing manbun.
Seriously why did MJ supposedly fall for this guy if he was as pathetic as Ewing wrote him? Is this still a not even if you were the last man on Earth kind of situation? Why did Ewing say MJ thought he reminded her of Peter?
Ah forget it we're putting more thought into it than the office did, that's the repeated Wall we keep hitting. EVENTS. EVENTS.

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>>154572577
easily the most baffling continuation I have seen in years.
Like what in the absolute fuck.

>>154580409
I can't believe we're this close to a massive milestone and this is how we've been preparing.

>>154580410
Why did the writer go full Mary Sue with Sam when it's been well known for years that people hate that shit?

>>154580865
Why does marvel do so much they know the readers hate? Authorial egoism is a helluva drug

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>>154572577
Camp Weedonwantcha.
It's fucking bullshit that this comic had to die because NIckelodeon had to be assholes about that animated pilot.
there are a LOT of reasons I'm bitter at Nickeloodeon, but this one still hurts the most.

>>154576130
This is like a random show that's good and you tell your friends about it and then never watch it cause it would be on a random app like Apple TV.

>>154579665
Gonna have to second this. >>154579665

>>154573825
I wish the ending we got was better as much as anyone, but what we got was still pretty good, and frankly, most shows like this don't even get the chance to go out on a good note at all. If VB was on any other network it would've been cancelled by season 2.

>>154573600
I doubt the writing would have improved much had it remained 2D, but the 3D models were definitely a downgrade.

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That we kept getting minions movies and not this still males me livid.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8agE5ImTuW4

Green Lantern the Animated Series being cut short despite both the Sinestro Corps. War and Blackest Night being foreshadowed.

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>>154581240
>Why does marvel do so much they know the readers hate?
The opinion from the big editorial is that "anger sells".

>>154581963
And this is why DC is eating up the market share. How can they still thing this is working?

>>154572643
You should at least be grateful it didn't get adapted into an animation, considering how infuriatingly degenerate the internet is right now. Trust me, man—you do not want that to happen. Just be thankful, even though it would have been the best cartoon of all time.

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>>154577891
the more i read of Geoff's run of Green lantern, the more I began to hate the movie. I think before I thought it was an ok film but now I realize how much they fucked it up in retrospect.

>>154572577
RWBY never getting good. Also, Venture Bros. getting cancelled.

>>154576326
2nding Mission Hill, it deserved a couple more seasons at least

>Live action Mulan jettisoning everything that made the cartoon great, infuriating even the Chinese who loved the same things about the cartoon ("no Mushu? no Grandma? NO MUSHU?!")
>Attempts to "improve" Hex Girls Dusk that turned her into a bimbo cheerleader
>No Way Home didn't have 20 more minutes of snarky bantering between the Peters
>Making Moira Mactaggart into a villain, a mutant, and with a backstory blatantly stolen from a NYT bestseller
>The ending of TWO Ultimate universes due to Sue Storm deciding she needed hot dickings
>No one ever saying "No, that's retarded" to Bendis or Hickman
>Mixed-case dialogue

>>154581248
I feel you

>>154581679
It was fun to harass the creators across social media for welshing on the Toei preview

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>>154576130
At least it hasn't been canned. Second season is premiering 6-8 months from now.

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>>154572577
>weird incest pervert fandom: :D
>weird pervert incest fandom, Savino: D:<
I will never not hate the animation community for this take and how hypocritical it is. Hating things for a fandom is gay and lame and if you do you have to also hate like 80% of cartoon fandoms. Like why does gravity falls or ben 10 get a pass, you literally just hate the loud house because you were told to and the fact no one ever challenges it outside of here drives me up a fucking wall. Because the world gave in to herd mentality and let the karens and sycophants tell the what to think. I will always hate them for doing that to something I love. Meanwhile shit like Teen Titans Go or Always Naked Animals gets to be acknowledged without people pissing their pants about being treated like they were on the epstein list for liking a fucking cartoon.

This is a schizopost.

One of the things I'm bitter about is streaming, for many reasons. One of them is how it kills discussion for shows due to binge-watching, instead of having water cooler talks when episodes air once per week. When related to /co/, though, I'm also bitter about how it killed programming blocks.

Call me a normalnigger, but for three years there was a very specific social feel to broadcast programming, specifically Cartoon Network. I can distinctly remember 2004-2007 because after school, friends would have Miguzi on in the background while hanging out at friends' houses. 2003-2007 had Fridays, which was great going into the weekend because we were allowed to hang out with each other later before needing to go home. Then, Saturday had Toonami and Adult Swim, which was used for sleepovers and being fucking cringe by watching dubbed anime.

I don't want to imply that the cartoons themselves made the socializing better. It's just that these programming blocks defaulted our social time because our parents would go, "Oh, your cartoons have ended, it's time to go home," or, "Alright, your Japanese cartoons are starting, we're going to bed so please respect the quiet." Then, during commercials, we'd just do whatever until they ended, or if a re-run aired, we'd do something else for 30 minutes.

Without a good programming block, it feels like there's nothing to really look forward to. That's what streaming took away.

>>154572577
No season three of Sonic Boom

Episode 7, 8 and 9 of digital circus sucked

>>154581248
Yeah, this one hurts pretty bad.

>>154582858
you are not a schizo and shit like digital circus and the new R&M season proves you right.
whenever there's a new episode people talk about it and past episodes and discussion lasts much longer.

if the entirety of digital circus was released at once it wouldn't even get a movie.

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>>154579561
This guy is Smiley 100%.

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>>154582858
>Then, Saturday had Toonami and Adult Swim, which was used for sleepovers and being fucking cringe by watching dubbed anime.
19 years ago...

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>>154572577
I’m still mad about the Superboy tv show being cancelled and buried by Warner Bros so they could make Lois & Clark which was a pile of shit. (If you’re unaware, Superboy did well enough that WB decided to revoke the license and make Superman productions in-house.)

>>154572577
There's never gonna be a Miracleman: Dark Ages.

>>154582858
man that hurts when you put it like that

>>154582858
i feel you, it's hard to discuss a show when binging since some of the average ones can become more melted with the rest

>>154572732
Amen brother. I'm glad we got what we did, thought I wish we'd had more. Still, I'm grateful the claws of the "Modern Audience" were never allowed to sink into those great shows.

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>>154572577
>Rick Sanchez's fake cliché backstory was retconned to be real without explanation
>Spectacular Spider-Man was cancelled after 26 episodes so Sony could make fucking TASM and the subsequent piece of shit cartoon USM lasted 104 episodes somehow
>Sophie Campbell was allowed to write 50 issues of TMNT and literally none of them are good
>The first ever Usagi Yojimbo cartoon show is incredibly immature and awful
>The Simpsons, even though it hadn't been good for two decades, bent the knee to a shitty comedian pretending to be offended by Apu
>They decided the shitty idea about Mystique being Nightcrawler's father that was rejected a long time ago should be canonised, making Nightcrawler's complicated paratange even more complicated for no reason
>Marvel keeps making sequels to and allows adaptation of the Clone Saga, even though it's one of the most reviled arcs in Spider-Man.
>The CGI He-Man was overshadowed by the Kevin Smith He-Man which caused the CGI show to get canned too soon, even though everyone still hated the Kevin Smith one
>the second Michael Bay TMNT movie not only made the two worst character in franchise history the de facto main characters, they gave them a retarded origin about how humans somehow evolved from pigs and rhinos
I'm sure I've got more but thinking about stuff that pisses me off just pisses me off.

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>>154572577
That I was born here

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>>154582858
ah
fuck

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>>154573695
Puppetry is not appreciated by normies. Netflix is dogshit about supporting shows. It was doomed from the start, but at least we got Deet out of it.
Do we know if there's any material picking up where the show left off?

>>154582966
>Lois & Clark which was a pile of shit.
You mean it was awesome, but sure.

>>154582966
I used to work with his brother believe it or not. When he told me I said "but his last name is Christopher" and Bill replied "that's his middle name."

>>154582378
It's amazing just how big Lantern stuff was at the time only for it all to get washed away in an instant

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>>154572577
The whole francohpobia in the early 2000 made me stop caring for /co/ stuff

>>154583267
whatever you say, ya cheese-eatin' surrender monkey

>>154577989
>>154578501
It really is depraved what they did to bother of them. They got treated like nothing but a pair of meatheads to be belittled and mocked, and their stories were bastarzied.

>>154583267
Well tell them to stop being incestuous, pedophilic, nihilists.

>>154583036
>>They decided the shitty idea about Mystique being Nightcrawler's father that was rejected a long time ago should be canonised, making Nightcrawler's complicated paratange even more complicated for no reason
Kurt is this wonderful, fun, lovable character who has never once had a tolerable backstory and every writer has come up with dreadful shit trying to outdo each other.

>>154583263
i think even ryan renolds realized how shitty the movie was with how much he has mocked the film since it's release

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>>154582858
I was thinking about stuff like this in a more /tv/ focused sense but I was just remembering all the movies I used to watch simply because they were what was on and while they might not have been great movies there's a special kind of nostalgic charm that comes from remembering a Sunday morning Police Academy movie or some low budget action movie. Now because of streaming you're given so many options for what to watch it feels like there's no motivation to watch anything. Even movies I generally like I can't be bothered to sit down with a lot of time. I know it's weird to complain about choice but it also feels like there was a real loss of tradition too. Certain movies or specials felt more like events. And no because it's all streaming nobody seems to care.

>>154572577
I'm bitter about the loss of mogulous threads, storytime dying a pig's death, /mlp/, and this place becoming a fucking /pol/ colony.
We had a good thing going goddamn it.

>>154583336
RR should never be Hal Jordan

>>154583365
>Certain movies or specials felt more like events.
This, The Batman had no significant cultural impact like the previous Batman films.

>>154583365
The limited choice meant that if you watched something, it was likely someone you knew had seen or was going to see it, too, and at the same time. Netflix caused the backlog effect for movies. Unless someone has significant amounts of free time on their hands, they're usually going to say, "Oh, that movie? I'm planning on watching it soon™," or, "Oh, yeah I watched it at 2x speed, [totally dogshit opinion gained from not really paying attention to the minutia]," or, "I just watched my favorite reviewer talk about it, [paraphrases someone else's opinion]." I'm not trying to watch an Albert Pyun film, but it was on TV, and it was adequate.

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>>154583323
Yes, which compounds the problem and makes it even worse and worse and worse. Think about it, since they are sticking to the same continuity they always have, that means it must be somewhat reasonable for the characters to believe what they did in previous stories. This means they couldn't simply make him a lesbian love child that was allowed to exist due to shapeshifting, it means his current official origin is:
>The son of a lesbian maid to a count and his shapeshifting wife, who feigned a love affair with a pseudo-demonic mutant but really just assumed his form to impregnate the maid.
That is retarded and more retarded than it used to be.

>>154583407
That's kind of the case for a lot of things. This stuff it kept alive through rewatches and traditions. You get one weekend rental you need to choose damn well. And you made time to sit down with it. VHS Tape covers used to jump out at you and fight for your attention. You can argue if stuff is good or not now, but it doesn't matter when twenty other things are lining up to take its place the second it ends. A sick day movie, a weekend marathon, that stuff lives with you. I can still sing the sad song from earnest goes to camp but fuck me if I remember the last marvel movie I've watched.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tesSq-0yzog

I want that to sink in and this is no disrespect to the late great Jim Varney but EARNEST P WORREL had a greater cultural impact than Spider-man does today. Know what I mean?

>Justin Toiland and Dan Harmon can still get work instead of having their bodies hung in a public square like they did with Mussolini

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>>154572577
Keith Urban quitting Dredd and thus crushing any hope for a Judge Dredd revival just to go on to do the Soys.
We could've had an actual gritty comic franchice that doesn't try to be ironic or wokeor whatever writers feel like these days, just a well-done sincere comic adaptation.

>>154583567
Karl, sir. His name is Karl. He was also Eomer. But yes that they never made Dredd 2 is sad.

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>>154583478
Thank you for that song anon.

>>154583467
I hate how transparent it is that the only reason this is even a thing is because they're both blue

>>154583605
You are welcome. And I'm not afraid to admit I got genuinely sad at the time. There's a sincerity to Ernest's goofball antics that really missing in a lot of films today.

>>154572577
Not that long ago but Krakoa going from "pride goeth before destruction" to a meandering sandbox for writers (how the FUCK did X-Force get that many issues).

>>154583629
Things are just too bathos ridden these days, and when they try to be sincere it comes off as saccharine.

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>>154572577
>Flash Thompson as Venom is absolutely fucking amazing
>you could sit down and spend the entire day talking about the way that the two of them reflect and bounce off each other with their natures as characters, their pasts, what they mean to each other, the kind of hero they're trying to be, etc. etc.
>Remender leaves the book, Bunn takes over
>not as great but still does a pretty good job all things considered
>story is finally getting to where Flash and Venom are going to hash things out
>the two having to come to terms that, while Venom absolutely was a monster, it has genuinely been doing better pretty much every step of the way, and Flash neutering it with drugs and surgery betrays their trust and objectively made them weaker for it
>toss in Mania being added to the cast and Flash having to deal with everything that adds
>story tees up for a great saga about Flash trying to navigate Philly in bizarre street level crimes and the oncoming hell-war while figuring out things with Andi and Venom
>SIKE
>BENDIS HAS YOUR CHARACTER NOW
>WE'RE SLAPPING HIM ON THE GOTG FOR NO GOOD FUCKING REASON
>HE'S GOING INTO SPACE AND WE'RE GOING TO WASTE HIS ENTIRE ARC
>BUT WAIT, THERE'S MORE
>Robbie Thompson actually tries like hell to salvage the character
>his run on Spaceknight ends with Flash coming back, dealing with abandoning Andi with the symbiote and hellmark
>story closes with them swinging together, back in Agent Venom style, ready to get back to business
>SIKE AGAIN
>time to have Flash lose the symbiote like a bitch
>and now Lee has it and now Eddie has it and whoops now we're fucking the symbiote lore EVEN HARDER again
>and now he's Agent Anti-Venom because we don't understand the appeal of Agent Venom and what the two meant to each other as characters
>so now this can never be fixed and it's done forever, lol
I will never not be mad

Second place of course goes to Kaine's story being abandoned and becoming an event jobber. RIP to both my 2011-2013 faves

>>154583671
All I want is a movie and some character I can form a genuine emotional connection with. The early marvel movies were actually pretty okay at this. I still rewatch First Avenger sometimes. Thor kind of sucked looking back but Iron Man had some merit and the Hulk movies are hotly contested but at least they were willing to make one.

>>154583707
>RIP to both my 2011-2013 faves
You know I bitch about post 2000s marvel but there still was decent stuff being put out for a bit. Hercules was a fun book.

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>>154573011
I’m praying for a Pop Team Epic season 3.

>>154572577
Disney acquiring Star Wars was the star of the slow erosion of past IPs through nostalgia bait and leftist messaging. If Lucas hadn’t been such a shrewd businessman, America would be so much better off.

>>154583736
Same, All I ask from the media I consume is to make me feel something.

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Remember Exiles vol 2? I do. Cancelled after like 7 issues. I'm still mad.

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>>154572577
Digging up past IPs in general. These spoiled cunts go to universities funded by tax money to hate on those contributing to this country and the country in general and think they can write better than those that came before. The moment they realize they can’t, they fucking STEAL and DEFACE. It’s so bad that there’s a whole industry of reviewers hating on it and making bank. Everything has gone ass-backwards and we can’t stop it. It’s like watching meth addicts wall themselves in and destroy your childhood home.

>>154579582
By now haven't they been apart longer than they were together?

>>154584232
They had been married for 21 years.

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>>154580018
I'm actually kind of surprised that Disney has not mandated that Peter be aged down to a teen again. Since that is the portrayal they want to maintain in all tv and film permanently. Peter is always the teen hero still in high school just starting out in the last 4 movies, and the last three animated series.

it's very clear Disney has an interest in keeping Peter a teen, how long before they start making demands on Marvel to make him synergize with movies?

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>>154584232
It's getting pretty close.

>>154583323
>retarded and more retarded than it used to be.
Don't forget his birth mother is not only literally THE Irene Adler of the Sherlock Holmes stories but the historical Sherlock was none other than Mystique in disguise. Irene is well over a century old just because.

>>154584275
Sony's still sorta-competition ala FOX due to clutching the film rights like they're gold, but Disney's aware they can't buy them out due to technically being Japanese. That means there isn't as much exec pressure to flood him with MCU synergy compared to anyone they actually own wholesale.

>>154583608
With yellow eyes
We'll ignore the Mystique isn't fuzzy part.

>>154584305
well that's just stupid

>>154583365
Streaming channels simultaneously offer too much choice and not enough.

>>154583888
>universities funded by tax money
Nigger I just got laid off a uni job I was doing well for decades and needed for because tax money is NOT funding us, shove your cable news rhetoric right up your ass

>>154584330
It's handy if you got something specific in mind but if you just want to sit down and watch TV it's less than ideal. And it doesn't help that a lot of shows aren't made to be watched episodically anymore. You can't really just watch a single one these days. Shows are basically long movies.

>>154583576
Keith Karl, sorry. It's spelled Éomer btw

>>154584321
Claremont believed everything was in the public domain down to integrating Conan/Red Sonja into both Spider-Man and X-Men, liberally borrowing Dr Who for eXiles, Pogo's Mamselle Hepzibah for Starjammers, then when Dave Sim made a Wolverine parody he lost his shit and created S'ym for Limbo, an orc wearing Cerebus' jacket. Chris found out the hard way Walt Kelly was still alive and didn't appreciate seeing one of his Pogo characters in a comic book and suddenly Hepzibah went from being a skunk to a cat. Claremont probably had no idea Holmes wasn't in the public domain yet in the 80s.

>>154583567
That wasn't Urban's fault. They didn't get funding for a sequel cause the first movie was a theatrical flop. People don't make movies for free.

>>154584344
Of course they’re not funding you, the people, they’re funding their own personal army through propaganda and blaming others when they decide they’re not getting enough money for themselves.

Also, sorry to hear that. How’s the job search for you now?

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>>154577989
The way the Thor movies were treated was one of the biggest fumbles of the MCU. Thor has a really rich cosmic/fantasy history that they could have done so much. We never even got Beta Ray Bill, which I realize now is probably for the best.

I know it's 'tarded but I was invested, and I'm bitter we'll never get the ending to Uber.

>>154584698
I just started reading that too...

>>154572577
I hate Carol Danvers. Stupid unlikeable cunt is NOT Captain Marvel, Billy Batson will always be the real Captain Marvel.

>>154584547
They don’t want straight white male heroes at Disney anymore. Don’t know what to tell you.

>>154584967
He's an alien orange horse man.

>>154584978
I meant with how they fumbled Thor but yeah. He’s probably better off since Disney is only interested in making non Carol Danvers and Ms Muslim characters into jokes.

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>>154578729
When it's being done over and over again, across multiple properties, you have to genuinely question if it's being done unintentionally.

>>154585300
Think of it like the voterbase for a shithole like California fleeing the state to settle in elsewhere, only to start voting local mayors with the same policies that brought their old homes to ruin. Even when the consequences finally breach their gated communities, they physically cannot connect that the cause because to do so would require admitting that their ideal is impossible.

>>154579582
Oh fuck. You made me remember how much they were building up Peter and MJ's marriage in those issues right before OMD pulled the rug out from under us. Shit!

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>>154579865
>See that's the tragic part. If this took the character and series into actually interesting and meaningful places I might have accepted it. I wouldn't be happy but I could accept.
IIRC Straczynski and Quesada's original plan was to bring back Gwen Stacy but Tom Brevoort put the nix on that.

At this point I think I've resigned myself to the fact there's no redeeming Pete & MJ. There's just been too much damage done to her character -- particularly since "All New Venom". I'd rather see Peter with Felicia now.

>>154579958
>He can't have a connection like this to anyone except Aunt May, which is giving him all sorts of creepy Oedipal tones over time as he won't develop any deep connection with anyone as they get clipped in the wings by the mandate.
I don't have the scan handy but I distinctly remember, in the prelude issues of Spectacular Spider-Man, Aunt May flat out tells Peter to let her go, let her die, so she can be with Ben.

>>154585494
Just pretend it ended at 500

>>154585502
MJ isn't a real person. Neither is Peter. If they actually commit to them and keep them written well for a consistent few years all will be well again. Spencer was withing inches of making it work.

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>>154572577
Bendis being allowed to sink the industry just to satisfy his interracial cuckolding fetish.

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>>154585625
>>No one ever saying "No, that's retarded" to Bendis
I genuniely wonder what about him makes him so unassailable to challenge creatively. Better writers than him have had all their work retconned or had tug-of-war infighting, but whenever this fat bald bastard does something, even when the company later fires his ass like the leper he is, his writing decisions are enshrined and cannot be changed.

It's like he's the one man in the comics writing industry who's allowed to be permanent anymore. Why him?

>>154577104
Fone should sound younger than Smiley who should sound younger than Phoney. They're too old to be children but clearly not that old. I'd peg Fone down as a young adult and Smiley and Phoney as older, close to middle aged. Phoney would definitely need some kind of growl or roughness to his performance.

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>>154585389
That sounds about right. They really are arrogant enough to believe people will keep consuming even if their IPs are being systematically turned into shit.

>>154585638
Part of it is the fact that Bendis has a degree of social cunning and knows how to leverage sacred cows against people to get his way. Take turning Ice Man gay for example: whichever poor writer took the dirty job of making Bobby straight as he always was will assuredly be fired by Marvel and blacklisted by everyone else to appease the ensuing "gay erasure" twatter mob. So it's easier to let the damage be permanent than lose your job and reputation. The one thing Bendis is good at is scumfuck office politics like that.

>>154572577
Sym Bionic Titan getting fucked over because no one wanted to make them toys.

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The fact that crappy CG Clone Wars with the orange girl and robot legs Maul being what your average person thinks of when you say the Clone Wars, and have to specifically clarify you mean the original from the early 2000s by the Samurai Jack guy (50/50 if they know what you're talking about).

I don't even fully know why this irritates me. Haven't been super invested in Star Wars beyond the stuff I liked as a kid since 2008. I dunno. It just sucks to see something you enjoy be forgotten and supplanted by something inferior.

Oh, the existence of a Kung Fu Panda 4. Haven't seen it, and never well cause it was obvious shite from the trailersalone. But annoyed I have to consciously de-canonize it (and that shitty Legends of Awesomeness show) in my mind if I think about KFP. Love the trilogy and it will always be a trilogy to me.

>>154583118
I know there's some comics but I never read them, I think they're about the war though

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>>154572577
People still having autistic meltdowns over 2000s Simpsons (muh jockey elves Jerkass Homer Mike Scully) even though the show was still funny in that era, unlike the HD crap

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The way DC has been handling GLs in general with their live action adaptations.
For how flawed it was, I didn't hate the movie, and the franchise has a huge potential for certified kino. Instead all we're getting now is that ass-looking series where everyone walks around in jeans depowered.

>>154572577
The Pathways into Darkness - Marathon -Halo - Destiny/Humans are Forerunners retcon.
Also I'm bitter that Adventure Time like to shit on Fubblegum.

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>>154582858
This post hurt me in a way I didn't think I could still be hurt.

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>>154572577
Spectacular Spider-Man getting canned and replaced with one of the worst animated adaptations of Spidey
(this was before they somehow started tunneling below rock bottom with SM2017)

>>154585794
I can't get into Dark Crystal comics because the wonderful puppetry is so large part of the franchise

>>>154574097
janitor realized his mother is a fat ugly whore and took his anger down on /co/

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>>154585702
I'm glad genndy's ugly, retarded, shallow shit has been mostly forgotten by everyone who isn't a bitter autistic fat retard pushing 40 or a contrarian hipster. CG series was superior in every conceivable way. Keep seething :)

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>>154586475
I love how Filoni Wars stole all of Mainframe entertainment's thunder and we have to pretend Hanna Montana with a lightsaber is good character.

>>154572577
No Team Atlantis tv series

>>154573171
>Streaming kind of ruining cartoon discourse
Cartoon discourse was never good.
>You don't get time to stew over an episode and speculate what will happen next.
Skill issue.

These probems are all manufactured.

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>>154584392
>liberally borrowing Dr Who for eXiles
How... Did he not realise a character created in the 60's was still copyright protected when his career has been all about building on characters from the 60's that are still copyright protected?

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>>154572577
Balding and a receding hairline despite the fact everyone in my family has a full head of healthy hair

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>>154572577
We never got the last film. With that fucking cliffhanger at the end, I mean god damn.

>>154573825
I feel like two more seasons would have been enough Venture Bros.

>>154573600
This PV looked really cool. I love the bright color's with the dark backgrounds. This could have been something really cool.
>It was fun to harass the creators across social media for welshing on the Toei preview
Honestly, the creators of the show seem really weird. Seems like the guys who made the PV had a better grasp on a good concept than the people who actually made the show.

The fact that the horse show got shittier and shitter after the 3rd season and instead of fixing things, the staff decided to devote an entire 22 minute episode to strawmanning common criticisms of the show and literally, unironically use "it's a show for girls" to discredit those criticisms further.

>>154588031
One of these days, we're all going to have a conversation regarding this show.

>>154588031
Is that why that fanbase seemed to disappear after like 2014?

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>>154585702
>Oh, the existence of a Kung Fu Panda 4
Even if you ignore all of its faults, it's still just kinda mediocre compared to the others, yeah.
>story's outcome becomes blatantly obvious within the first 15 minutes
>Tai Lung is all over the promotional material, but never appears until the very end of the movie and does absolutely nothing of note
>villain's motive makes no sense, claims she was denied for being "too small" and yet we have multiple examples of masters who were even smaller than her
>B plot with Mr. Ping and Li feels like pointless filler
>furious 5 are completely absent because Dreamworks didn't feel like paying for the celebrity VAs

we waited 8 years for this

>>154588031
I didn't follow but I could tell that giving the purple one wings is one of the tackiest things they could've done

>>154588110
It was a combination of that and Hasbro starting cracking down on fan projects.

>>154588088
It's kind of astounding that MLP is still banned sitewide, 15 fucking years later. Of all the things to mindbreak 4chan, it ended up being a childrens' cartoon about colorful horses.

>>154588110
That, and the fact that the fad mostly passed. The novelty wore off and most of the tourists left for the next popular thing.

>>154588143
That was particularly shit, yes, but in general I was more referring to the quality of the show overall getting worse and worse with each season.
>old writers leaving
>new writers replacing them, not giving a fuck about the show and just being there for a quick paycheck, thus we get episodes with rehashed stories, flanderized characters, out-of-character idiot ball stories, etc.

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>>154572577
>Read pic related as an edgy atheist teenager
>thought it was cool
>Years later, converted to Judaism, very much believe in G-d
>read it again three months ago due to boredom and reading a bunch of other comics and manga I liked as a teenager to see if they hold up
>Ends up being an analysis and well-meaning deconstruction of different American mythological interpretations of the heroic myth, by far the best thing Ennis has written and far deeper than what people give it credit to, ended up becoming my second favorite comic of all time, absolute kino and worthy of standing on the same level as Eisner and Watterson
>Look for online discussions about it
>All I can find are people hating on the TV series and speed readers complaining about blasphemy
Literacy crisis indeed

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>>154588329
>>Years later, converted to Judaism, very much believe in G-d

>>154588143
It was tacky.
>>154588209
Different writers and not having a unified idea on what the show is has always been a problem. I think Steven Universe really suffered from this as well.

>>154588576
It was that, plus the new writers being unfamiliar with the characters and just going off of cliffnotes, thus we get characters re-treading things, feeling flanderized, or just outright out-of-character because the new writer doesn't give a shit to do a few minutes of research.

>>154582269
I've seen new Bone porn from 7 months ago

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This Show's stupid ending and the troon showrunner ruining everything aftermath.

>>154588899
>melodrama trauma-dump cartoon has a melodramatic trauma-dump ending
who could have seen it coming

>>154588899
Everyone knew that was coming, they just thought it would have been ruined by troonshit before it ended.

>>154588818
Well, share it with the rest of the class!!!

>>154589008
I remember when this show just started, someone said they were certain that the end of the show would reveal pomni to be a tranny
Now that it turned out to be jax, I do have a shizotheory that pomni was the original tranny character and they changed it to jax since he became popular

>>154589434
I think it's pointless anyway. Jax wasn't even trans in the show, it was just a blurb on Goose's social media.

>>154589607
I mean, Goose obviously so desperately wanted to have a popular tranny character he basically written the ending to allude to jax being a tranny and when people were ignoring it, he basically just said it on social media
I always thought it was inevitable, trannies are going to be put trannies in the shit they make

>>154585702
Yeah, this. Even as a Star Wars nut as a kid I thought the CG clone wars fucking sucked. Everybody just smacks around lightsabers a couple of times then runs away. It's so gay. Genndy Wars is forever the real clone wars.

>>154578729
It's intentional due to DEI mandates to acquire business loans.

>>154588899
I hate this show for existing. Cartoon fags are insufferable enough to start with

>>154589639
It's funny he didn't make it more blatant to the point where you can interpret it either way. I still think he meant J-acks! to be a tranny and it's cope otherwise.

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>>154572598
are you me? we could be friends
felt the same with SatAM Sonic ended that on a cliff hanger

>>154572602
They had it out for the bronies that attach themselves to anything Faust touches without public shame.

>>154587871
There was a time where American's were doing whatever with Godzilla and to a lesser extent Gamera
We either did not understand international laws when using other countries properties or we straight up did not care until a cease and desist was sent our way.

>>154579795
Never gave a shit about shipping. It was just a fun show

>>154572577
The list is huge and could fill /r9k/ catalog for years.
One in /co/ related stuff is jason aaron ruining ghost rider after daniel way left.

>>154590922
I don't know why people were so startled by Jax being trans
>Show is run by a trans
>One of the other characters is already some kind of gender fluid
>Trannies are always claiming unrelated characters as trans no matter how bad it makes them look (Bridget and Yamato)
>Jax being trans was poorly written and took up the finale of the show for no good reason
Jax is trans and Gooseworx pulled the wool over everyone, tricking everyone into watching her IHNMAIMS parody show thinking it was gonna be something cool and revealed it was all just angst self-loathing right at the very end

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>>154589639
That, plus simply he wanted to piss of jax fans.