>FUUUUUUUUUUUCKKKKK I APPLIED FOR A JOB AT A SUPERHERO COMIC BOOK COMPANY AND NOW I HAVE TO MAKE SUPER HERO COMIC BOOKS!!!!! AHHHHHHH HELP MEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!
>>154578277It’s not like Moore can’t be up his own ass sometimes, but still.
>>154578277That doesn't sound like something Alan Moore would say at all. Are you okay, buddy? It seems all that capeshit fried your brain into complete retardation.
>>154578277>I was looking for a job and then I found a job, and Heaven knows I'm miserable nowWhy are Anglo artists like this?
>>154578277>Breaks comic books.>Is mad the comic books are broken.That's what you get for shitting on Robert E. Howard you dirtbag magic user.
>>154579508>Writes comics so well, it changes the industry>Hopes other writers will have standards>They don't which is why comics are universal trash and have been for decades now>Gets fucked off and leavesSeems reasonable to me
>>154578594really? the guy openly despised comic books not as much as someone like garth ennis but still to a large extent. it really isnt an inaccurate view of him
>>154579537Future writers took the wrong lessons from Moore.They just took all the sleaziness with non of the depth.
>>154579596>the guy openly despised comic booksDon't take clickbait and bantz for easily summarized opinions about a person.Alan Moore loves comics as a medium. Superhero, slice of life, funny animal, many genres within it.Alan Moore loves comics as they've been for his sum total of reading them before getting in the industry, including superhero comics.Alan Moore, if he hated comics, would not jump at the chance to write his "own Superman" when Liefeld pitched him that.If Liefeld hates anything about comics, it's largely downstream of the culture of companies and fansThe hate you see from Moore is the kind of hate only love knows. Moore loved, very likely still loves, comics(not necessarily current big two ones), but has such strong passion for it that what he does dislike about them he'll point to without quarter.He's living proof that comics will break your heart, as the King spoke.
He has yet to be proven wrong about what he said.
>>154579767>The hate you see from Moore is the kind of hate only love knows. Moore loved, very likely still loves, comics (not necessarily current big two ones), but has such strong passion for it that what he does dislike about them he'll point to without quarter.You'd think /co/ of all places would be able to recognise this, but sometimes it's hard to look in the mirror.
>>154579783Nope
>>154579811No, /co/ doesn't really love comics, in general. They love the characters, largely due to other mediums. There's a significant part of /co/ that would never pick up a comic again if they could just watch an animated version instead.
>>154579814I agree. Nope, he hasnt ever been proven wrong.
>>154579596>really? the guy openly despised comic booksWhy are you so stupid?
>>154579852Still wrong
>>154579842Well most comics are a slogthough to read even when decompressed to hell.
>>154578749waging sucksbeing poor also suckscatch 22
>COME ON NORTHAMPTON*TUN* *TUN* *TUN*>MAKE SOME FOCKING GOALS*TUN* *TUN* *TUN*
For anyone wondering what the fuck is wrong with Alan Moore, he’s secretly a snuffpedo and literally every single incendiary thing he’s said across his entire career stems from the way his sexuality puts him at odds with the rest of humanity.
>>154580326So he is a cunny chad.Thanks for the heads up.
>>154579596He's never really hated comics themselves. He's hated superheroes since about the late 00s, superhero fans since '87 or '88, and the comic book industry probably since he became aware of it and what they did.He still has appreciation for the medium, but wants to distance himself out of pain and shame.
>>154579767>>154579811>>154580704Yeah, it's pretty clear it's the pain of seeing something you loved and participated in being transformed into something cancerous and unrecognizable, and realizing that despite your talent and best interest it's partially your fault. Happens to a lot of artists and creators. Pretty sad really.
>I signed a contract and the contract is... binding?
>>154579508I kind of get it. Every retard who tried to copy Moore just saw the gore and the vigilantes and assumed that was what it was all about>hard boiled killer cleans up the streets, for the 500th time! These aint your grandpas Superman comics!Moore on the other hand literally loved "your grandpa's super hero comics", and even wrote some very good ones.
>>154580704>>154580910As I understand it, Alan Moore (and many other authors as well) have viewed the evolution of the industry as a tool for controlling the masses. Garth Ennis denounced this through The Boys. All of them hate they are or they were, a contribution to it.
>>154578277Annoying loser who never had to work a day in his life.
>>154580957At a certain point, that's just cringe Marxist handwringing.Yes, products are designed to appeal to people's base urges and placate them on some level. Who doesn't know this?If you want to talk about media controlling the masses, at least have the decency to go full conspiracy theorist, talk about the news media, and name names. Superman is pretty small fry stuff in the grand scheme of things.>oy vey, it makes kids want to be strong and powerful!
>>154579842>/co/ doesn't really love comicsif /co/ loves anything, it's anime and manga
>>154579842I don't love super heroes. They kind of suck on the whole, actually.
>>154581165Nope
>>154580959Shut up, jealous cuck
>>154581169>literally hundreds of characters and maybe 5% of them are any good>literally thousands of issues, and most of it is complete slop that goes nowhereNo, I feel confident in saying super heroes suck. Batman is okay.
>>154581198Stop being weak
>>154580326>secretly
>>154579842Yeah, I get that feeling too. Most comic fans here do not seem to care about the medium itself. >>154581165I don't really like "pure" superheroes, with the exception of Jack Cole's Plastic Man and maybe a few others. Almost everything I like counts as revisionist or doesn't officially fall under the catch-all superhero genre, though I know the DNA is in there.I got into comics with newspaper strips, Spider-Man, and X-Men, but I seriously started liking them as a medium when I discovered Watchmen and Moebius. As a result, I cannot relate to most of my fellow /co/ bros. I've tried getting into regular superheroes for decades, but it's ended up pushing me away.
>>154579596He despises the business of comic books. He thinks the medium is fantastic.
>>154578277where did this style of posting come from?
>>154581617reddit
>>154581028>At a certain point, that's just cringe Marxist handwringing.This is the exact sort of statement that proves them exactly right. No one in a free state of mind would post something like this.
>>154579984You just don’t love comics. That’s ok. Is what it is.
>>154582261Keep coping
>>154581028>If you want to talk about media controlling the masses, at least have the decency to go full conspiracy theoristWe don't need to refer to any of this as Conspiracy Theory when The Surveillance State Project is advancing, interestingly enough, with a strong presence in the UK.
>>154578277His superhero comics are more respectful to the characters than most guys nowadays who claim to be fans
>>154579596>not as much as someone like garth ennis>thinking Ennis hates comics>thinking comics are necessarily superheroYOU STUPID CASUAL PIECE OF SHITGET OUT OF THIS BOARD YOU PARASITE
>>154579842You're right.I forgot /shelf/ died last night >>154563927
>>154579842I know /co/ likes comics more than cartoons. The cartoon side of the board is ignoring new shows most of the time but barely talk about old ones at the same time.
>>154578277Make everyone satanic and gay NOOOOWWW
>>154583331Fuck did that hurt. I've been waiting weeks for a shelf thread and it just fucking dies when I'm not around to bump it. Too much TADC spam for slower threads to live these days.
>>154579537>Writes stories about fish rape
>>154579842>>154584412we like comics just fine. What we don't like is cartoon fags flooding the board with every inane thought that enters their heads.
>>154584943THIS. An imageboard is the perfect place for comics, sinxe we can post panels directly. I don't know why the fuckass circus cartoon needs to be busier than /v/ during E3. Like I even enjoyed the show but it's a shallow affair and it ENDED, move the fuck on. How can you drag out so much discussion of a 9 episode cartoon when only the last 3 of the episodes have an actual plot?
>>154582261>people want to read stories about strong men being awesome>companies capitalise on this opportunity>this is "mind control"It's not. It's a mutually agreed upon relationship.What's mind control is the past hundred years of whipping the public into a particular shape by calling everything rapist, and now they don't even complain about crime, they just pretend it's not happening.
>>154578277And he's still the best American comic writer there ever was...and he's not even American.
>>154578277Alan Moore LOVES superheroes you touristThe cranky old man shtick is kayfabe
>>154579596retard
>>154581422I actually understand this statement part more now that I have a job. And I know that in the fields where creativity is the main drive/product it can feel like you are getting exploited by your higher-up and can lead to you despising your job and even killing the passion that lead you to getting this job in the first place.This is why it is very common for writers/artists/creators to hate their product once it becomes payroll to them rather than something that they put blood and sweat into it.However I can't really blame executives and business people for trying to generate money from this ideas cause in the end of the day this is a business not a charity, and people need to get paid after all.The problem is when you start to milk a sick and dying cow rather than put her to resta or end her misery.
>>154581110>if /co/ loves anything, it's anime and mangaI don't, lol. Anime is too retarded and too ingrained in Japanese cultural codes, and manga is all that + lack of colors. I don't read as many comics as I used to, but I certainly won't read any manga unless it's colorized and adapted to my Western taste.
>>154579842That's sad...
Moore didn't hate superheroes in the 80s, but he did get bored of writing them very quickly.https://www.tcj.com/the-alan-moore-interview-118/>Whereas I personally at the moment have no great desire to do super-heroes again, while I was doing that particular book, DC seemed to be happy with what I was doing, I was happy with what I was doing, Brian was happy with what I was doing, and then there were the readers who liked it. >There again, if I had been working on, say, Swamp Thing and they had suddenly said, “Well, you’ve been doing these adult stories for the past ten issues, but we don’t really think that it’s working out, and we’d like you to make it back into a more simple super-hero-y sort of character,” then, I wouldn’t have called that censorship, but I would have retained the right to say, “Fair enough, but in that case I’d rather you got another writer for the book, because that’s not the sort of stuff that I’m interested in writing.” I mean, I’ve got my options open. I can do whatever I want. If I went to the Disney studios and they said, “Look, Alan, we want you to write Minnie Mouse,” and if I were to say to them, “Well, yeah, but I really would like to do Minnie Mouse as a prostitute, because I’ve got a really good story worked out there,” and if they considered it and said, “Yeah, well, actually you could have something. This will be fine. Try and see how it goes.” And then the results had been good, and they liked it, then that would be more comparable, absurd as it sounds, to the situation that I was in at DC.
>>154585548Will you watch cartoons?
>>154578277you make him sound like a big ol' crybaby
>>154585548Manga is great. Avoiding them because of a lack of color and western sentiment is retarded.
>>154578277>WHAT DO YOU MEAN THE COMIC I DID FOR THE COMIC COMPANY IS DOING WHATEVER THEY WANT WITH IT?!?!
>>154580910But superhero comics only got really bad recently, because of woke? They were good back when Moore was writing, so what was he so upset about?
>>154578277>FFUUUUUCKKKKKK I WANTED TO READ COMICS AND NOW I NEED TO COME TO TERMS WITH A FACT ARTISTS HAVE A VARIETY OF ARTISTIC VISIONS AND STANCES I DO NOT WNAT THINGS TO BE COMPLICATED
>>154588536Go back
>>154588536Alan Moore was always woke and he hates fascist comics.>I think in the particular case of Superman, you’ve got a character that was invented by two working-class teenagers from Cleveland in the middle of the Depression, who created a character that was an empowerment of a disempowered working-class community.>He was an immigrant, like most of them, but he was not forced to dress in the drab browns and grays of most of the other people on the 1930s breadlines. He was wearing bright primary colors and he could leap over the streets that they were having to trudge down looking for work. The early Superman beat up strikebreakers, and threw a slum landlord over the horizon. Obviously, that Superman didn’t last a long while. He was pretty soon taken from his creators and made a much more socially respectable middle-class and right-leaning character.
>>154585334Ummm Bill Watterson?
>>154588669Go back
>>154588536They've always been bad. Good superhero comics exist despite the industry, not because of it.
>>154589175I don't find strips as entertaining or satisfying as comic books.
>>154590321Nope
>>154588400I think I've come to genuinely hate manga. For as much as we bitch about the decompressed nature of comics that's the standard formula for manga. you'll pick up the manga and then they'll spend half a year on stuff that doesn't matter, or stretch a fight across the entire time. And as much as people like to brag about "IT'S ON WRITER'S VISION" that doesn't really help when these writers can have a decade plus long lack of focus. They expect you to follow this shit for ages and while I don't like a lot of runs of comics, I don't feel like I'm losing out by only focusing on the ones I do like.
>>154591414We bitch about decompression in comics because THEY DON'T UTILIZE IT WELL. Manga does. Good manga remained focused throughout.
moore is an awful novelist. I think most of his hatred of the comic industry comes from his inability to be a real writer.
>>154591953>We bitch about decompression in comics because THEY DON'T UTILIZE IT WELL. Manga does. This is something that's done well on a case-by-case basis and a lot of manga doesn't.
>>154578594He was sober at the time.
>>154584936Deeper than capeshit that never ends.
>>154592610No, faggot
>>154591414capeshit fags really are battered trailer park housewives
>>154591953Spending months on a single fight or people standing around like gormless idiots isn't using decompression well. >>154592659At least cape fags know they're getting hit. Mangatards will ask for more.
>>154592139>something that's done well on a case-by-case basisManga knows how to utilize it, not that they use it all the time.>>154592769I've never seen that in manga and I've read tons.
>>154592877>I've never seen that in manga and I've read tons.That's exactly my second point
>>154592939Your second point pure bullshit. We see the opposite on this board every time the topic comes up.
>>154586294>and if I were to say to them, “Well, yeah, but I really would like to do Minnie Mouse as a prostitute, because I’ve got a really good story worked out there,”Good grief, Alan Moore really is an edgy hack. All he has is rape and porn on the mind.
>>154593028Kek, I also feel like have the same autistic ideas, at least i try to curb them
>>154581382It's a shame. In my eyes, comics are the second most complete medium that exists, and I've had to bitch back at several moms (not mine) that didn't want their kids to read any comics because "they're for children".First of all, your son IS a child. Secondly, he's picking up Pyongyang. Educate yourself.
>>154593192Which is the first one?
>>154593204Movies/TV shows/whatever animated media goes on, since it has every storytelling element including sound.
>>154593028It comes off like he's making fun of himself like he did on The Simpsons.
>>154578277>HELP ME, SNAKE JESUS!
The movie adaptations of V For Vendetta and Watchmen are better than the comics.
>>154593821You're an idiot.
>>154593821American V is too American, and Watchmen completely misses the whole fucking point.
>>154593821The correct answer is that From Hell is better than the comic because it sidesteps Moore's libel.
>>154593821>>154594224With Moore, the comics are always better. The adaptations take out all the good shit, sometimes to "trim the fat", except the comics have no fat to trim.
>>154594739Moore painting William Gull as a misogynist when he did a lot to get women into medicine is just wrong. In the movie he's just plain crazy, that's fine.
>>154593821Reading V as an adult is such a trip, especially if you also read the foreword and stuff, all the Moore political rants. >"Hmm, yes, you see, England sucks because it is much too right wing, yes. I fear for the future of England, it shall be ghastly, hmyes! Imagine! By the year 2000 English could be entirely dedicated to straight, non-jewish white Britains! Oh how dreadful that will be! I cannot possibly bear the thought! I must move away immediately!"Also it's very funny that he still hasn't moved back to England. I wonder why not. It's exactly how he would have wanted it.
>>154595084He's insane in the comic too, so it's fine. >>154595136He is in England.
>>154595223Moore goes out of his way to have him rant about how women shouldn't have rights. He didn't do research and made a bullshit assumption.
>>154595262Moore was always a performative champagne socialist so him trying yo slamder someone for clout is nothing new. Only a matter of time before he gets the Gaiman treatment too.
>>154594739>no fat to trimNo wonder they're so fucking dry.
>>154595136what do you mean? He's been living in Northampton for like thirty years.
>>154595262Moore said many times that From Hell isn't historical accuracy. He even made an afterword explaining how full of this the book was and that Gull was definitely not Jack The Ripper in real life. If you want to read history, read a history book
>>154595262This was post-stroke. He was already insane here, so it's fine.Moore did a fuckload of research, but mostly adhered to Knight's The Final Solution book.>>154595303Moore grew up dirt poor.Couldn't afford a barber.>>154595381That's a good one, but I wholeheartedly disagree.
>>154595493>not londonStill a hypocrite.
>>154596746>Moore grew up dirt poor.By which you mean living in a free house, getting free food, being able to fuck around 24/7 with "le culture" and so on.
>>154598439Retard
>>154596746>Northampton>Poor only by his Wikipedia Puff Piece>When his "working class" family were decently well off amd the illiteracy was because everyone there was a drunk or drug addict that even Wikipedia admits got Moore high on hippie drugs like LSD/Acid drugs as a teen.Moore is a posh poseur that even the most poverty stricken poof of both the 1960's and 2020's would call him a minging muppet. Moore is 72 years old and still acts like a teenage twat whinging amd wanking himself off to a perpetual pity party like his mother scolding him for peeping a video nasty is the return of the reich which is why redditors and /co/ntrarian /co/mblrites worship him when he's a bigger slimy limey snake than Gaiman, Grant Morrison, and his Glycon phase combined.
>>154595675Historical fiction should still adhere to reality when it uses historical figures, otherwise why not just create an entirely different person who never existed?
>>154578277bro's got MAD ice on his fingers
>Alan Moore thread>Somehow several of the posts are about anime and mangaWhy are you like this /co/?
>>154598439By scrubbing toilets, saar.He did get promoted, though. After five years, they gave him a brush.>>154598598Your hard-on for Moore is pretty funny. I don't like him nearly this much.He seems like a chill dude talking with other adults about his new books, creativity, magic, and whatnot.
>>154600111Like Alan MooreLike mangaSimple as
>>154600111anime website
>>154601265Nope
>>154578277I envy this guy's beard-growing ability
>>154600602>Moore, who's so salty about comics, he called them a front for white supremscy while shilling the Labour Party who cucked him twice with Corbyn & Starmer sellimg out once they got power.>Cool, chill, guyUnless you mistook Alan for Michael, there's no reason you should be sucking this level of Moorecock on the daily.
>>154601417Yes.
>>154603916No
>>154591414It's a format, not a medium. There's top tier manga like Berserk and Jojo and there's shit manga like Beastars and Naruto. Just lile there's top tier comics like Watchmen and Conan and shit comics like Civil War and One more day.
>>154603965Yes.
>>154598160he was born in Northampton.
>>154604414Still wrong
>>154604436I accept your unconditional surrender.
>>154604736You wish
>>154599966You sound like those 19th century educators that forbid their students to read Dumas
>>154604913It already happened.Just take the L and move on.That's a good chap.
>>154578277Moore is clearly in love with comic books. But he has literary aspirations. Read how he positions comic books as a higher literary form than pulp novels. He constantly references writers and texts from the literary canon, but he also knows his comic book stuff very well. Much of his writing is compelling and innovative; he pushed the medium forward both narratively and visually. I noticed that *Miracleman vs. Kid Miracleman* came out early in 1982—no one else was doing that kind of large-scale action at the time, except maybe Katsuhiro Otomo.
>>154578277Why IS Alan Moore such a crybaby anyway?
>>154605442You lost
>>154606556He's Bri'ish. Happens even to the best of them.
>>154578277Why is he obsessed with male buttrape? It plays a critical role in several of the stories he writes.
>>154606597Whatever you say kid.Whatever you say.
>>154606918I’m still right and you are not
>>154578277He never said that.
>>154606832crazy innit?
>>154588536>>154588669I think one must separate "woke" from run of the mil center left and/or liberal dogma that was present in most comics since the mediums inception.Not to mention that comics as a whole has much deeper problems than raceswaps, trvmp jokes and troon/fag shit, even if you banned "wokeness" from comics, the medium would still be in a abysmal state
