Can we have a Fantastic Four thread? I really need more Reed Richards stuff but anything's welcome
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>>154601879Reed looks like he just realized that they all still owed him money.
>>154601919That's not fair, Ultimate Sue was a bitch
>>154601879I feel like all Reed needed to do was kill Tony and the illuminati would’ve never been formed. Though I agree with all the deaths here except for strange
>>154601936....no ... my $20
>>154601976>be such an outragious whore you turn one of the worlds greatest super heroes into a villain
>>154601978he couldn't rule out the possibility of Strange using some magic mumbo jumbo to bring them back in some way
>>154601984>"Should I just take it out of their wallets? They're not gonna need those anymore..."
>>154601838Ben's my favorite
>>154601879Wouldn't this defacto make Dr. Doom sorcerer supreme and cause even more issues?
>>154603108shhhh don’t think about it you’re supposed to laugh at the funny murder anon
i didn't know i wanted a genderbend Reed Richards till i saw this image
>MOVE IT FOOTBALL HEAD
>>154601976>>154602007Tbf, Ult. Reed had A LOT of things pushing him to villainy, Sue dumping him was just the final straw.
>>154601976Ultimate books are a thing from 2000s. And it is really dated in that decade.
>>154605379>not stretching his penis to the bathroom while lazing on the couchAmateur.
>>154605456if I remember correctly there was this comic where he just transferred all his waste to a pouch he created with his own stretching powers while he worked for days on some machine
>>154601838Wouldn't alcohol damage his intelligence
>This scares the modern Marvel writer
>>154602033There is not enough sexy bodysuit woman bound and grabbed by stretchy arms
>>154605855Reed cube
Do they even like it when She-Hulk comes over or do they batten down the hatches?
what would happen if you grab a buch of stretchy reed and you trap air into reed and twist it
>>154602060This is amazing.
>>154602033Is Reed like Marvel's Superman in that he is written to be the perfect man?
>>154604698>My live reaction to that information
I read this entire Volume on a whim a while ago and it was dogshit.Reading the next volume now (V3) and it's mostly boring, but some intrigue here and there so far. Up to around 30 issues.
>>154606569Holy kek. Manta Reed.>>154602033For some reason I now think of Sue being invisible and hiding behind Reed but Reed is flat and Sue's form is shaping into Reed causing it to be obvious that she is right behind him. Yes, Reed has big tits that are being pressed into him causing him to look like he has big tits.
>>154601838Ditko drew the F4 once. He brought us this masterpiece.
>>154601976Everyone in the Ultimate Universe was a bitch.
>>154601856I like this one because it makes me think that If I ever got to make a F4 show I'd put in science lessons at the end. Just take a minute to give in a nice science factoid between Reed and his kids with the others popping in and out to help. Here's the preceding pages.
It's fun to learn. Also it's a bit out of date. Thanks for fucking firing Pluto science assholes.
Why do people says he is more limited than Plastic Man? Even in the Jack Kirby days he could pull off bullshit like turning his legs into rotating wheels.
I still remember when Reed ruined a guys life and the dude went nuts, essentially got sent to the microverse with a villain and was never heard of again.All that in a F4/Xmen annual back in the late 90s
>>154607965last time that Marvel felt like Marvel comics was this era/years of publishing
>>154610343Yeah they really nerfed him.
Post Byrne
>>154601879It was a good idea, Bendis just wanted to make them all act like dicks because thats all he can write.
>>154610622I dunno. The latest Ryan North runs have been bringing it back somewhat. Reed being able to turn into a functional wheel was brought up in the Invincible Woman arc, and the most recent issue with the Ghost Rider scheme had Reed shifting his hands into long chains to complete the disguise.
>>154607812More like he's written to be the inspirational man. Reed is deeply flawed but the guy always ends up showing his real character by not allowing himself to be dragged down by those flaws.In general the FF are meant to be the representation of "Humanity at it's best" both in and out of universe.
>>154601838>Can we have a Fantastic Four thread? Yeah I suppose we could
>>154602082What's with the meme "smart=autistic"? Reed is just a normal adult with a high IQ.
Reed is based. FF is based. Glad that they are in Rivals. Will read Midnight FF.
>>154605456Could you imagine trying to aim a 50ft dick? Even the worlds smartest man can't get it all in the bowl perfectly
>>154612812Anon, are you autistic or what? It's just a joke, old as time. Nerds are 'unique'.
>>154612710>down-to-earthBad puns seem rather inappropriate for such a time, Sue
>>154610343I thought he could only do simple shapeshifting
Midnight Fantastic Four could be a good horror comic book.
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>>154614242But can he turn into a functioning car?
>>154612812Nah, his behaviour does point to that more accurately than just being the "smart guy". Otherwise, Tony and other Marvel geniuses would also fall into that assumption, which is obviously not the case.
>>154614058It could
>>154610695Too bad North is a dogshit writer.
>>154601879>Reed: Aw shit, I didn't mean to hit Stephen or Black Bolt.
>>154615553He's pretty inoffensively bland. Which isn't a good thing, really but there are far worse in current marvel
What accent should I be hearing in my head with everyone? I feel like I don't hear the proper accent with Thing. I have never seen the cartoons so I don't think I've ever heard a voiced version.
>>154615553I don't really get the hate. Most of his run has just been fun adventures without much glaring flaw, and that's all I really want at this point.
>>154616490I usually default to the 90s cartoon voiceshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BY66oaRqOA
>>154601976One of the worst character assassinations
>>154614422Kind of
>>154617361Millar said that Sue kissing Namor earlier in the series was meant to be read as them fucking, not because she needed to, but because he was sexy
>>154616490>I feel like I don't hear the proper accent with Thing.Watch some clips from the cartoons on Youtube, or go straight to the inspiration for how Ben talked and look up some Jimmy Durante.
Fantastic Four villains suck dick. Yes, even Doom. Way too much fucking dicksucking going on in every modern Doom appearance. There is not a character out there that gets more writers-pet bullshit written.
>>154618435How much FF have you read to come to that conclusion?
>>154603108Well, there's clea or wanda too i guess
>>154618435They're kino, actually.The problem is that they're barely used anymore since most writers only wank Doom and Galactus, no one else.
>>154617354Ditto. Especially Reed
>>154610419Don't forget when Reed made some skrulls think they were actual cows and they lived on a farm & got butchered and turned into hamburgers & eaten by people
>>154612812YouTube & tiktok "experts" have spent decades telling people that the smallest deviation from "normal" means they are autistic, on the spectrum & that they are "special" because of it
>>154620098The interpretation of Reed as autistic began before social media existed. Morrison was the first to explicitely propose it in his MK mini, back in the early 2000"s.
>>154620098ok boomer
>>154619946mine’s Professor Impossible
>>154618235>MillarYeah, he thinks women empowering is fuck a bunch of men.What a shallow perception of women.
>>154616905I finally read this issue... because of Magister. Fucking Mysterio
>>154621769I think empowering women was the furthest thing from his mind. His Ultimate Wolverine is also a hilarious piece of shit and underage Jean Grey fucks him over Scott because of how cool and manly he is
>>154601879you know, people poke at modern Evil Reed a lot. But classic 60s Reed built a shitload of rayguns for a guy who is supposed to not be evil. He had a whole room full of space age guns for any occasion, and a doomsday device that could blow up all of New York. No reason given, he just felt like building shitloads of guns. He probably has a bigger cooler weapon room than Doom. It was a common story for some hero like Spider-Man to have to go break into the FF building and steal some super gun for an occasion. Like the sonic gun to stop Venom. He needed some other gun to stop Dock Ock too.
>>154610343Because most comic book discourse is done by larpers and secondaries. Plastic Man could never hope to do shit like stretch into a fourth spatial dimension.
>>154615553But why would you think that? His stories are pretty good when he isn't excessively dickriding Doom or/and Sue. Anything OWUD related was dogshit though, and so was the Invincible Woman arc.That said I do have the feeling that he likes Ben the least out of the Four and it frequently results in him jobbing or being redundant, and I hate that a lot.
>>154621746You're an idiot
As a kid I hated Reed. I was disgusted by the stretching.
>>154619241At least Annihilus had Annihilation/Cosmic Invasion before mostly being disregarded by writers with a few exceptions.
>>154610622Everyone was nerfed. Spider-man's spider-sense was a downright radar sense at first. He could find hidden doors and all with it.Now, it only warns him about dangers.
>>154601879Where's the skeleton in the wheelchair and Black Panther
>>154609240>Hey LAYday!
>>154622264As someone already said, all Reed has to do is have Sue, Johnny and Ben fight some guy for five minutes while he goes to the lab and builds a "fuck you nigga die 3000" to win.
>>154623220I don't dislike North's run by I just find it weird by how he hasn't used Annihilus given he's like the third biggest FF villain.
>>154623466He did use Annihilus... as fodder for Doom to casually bisect (twice) while he's on his retarded timeloop quest to save Valeria
>>154610478Full Circle was also good, though short as hell for the price.
>>154623933>tfw the best Marvel stuff rn isn't even published by Marvel
>>154601879Killing Strange sounds like something that would have far more negative consequences than positive ones
>>154623122And now you find it insanely hot and wished your wife could stretch like that.
>>154623933Thanks I'll give it a try. Is life story any good?
>>154626188Unfortunately not
>>154618435I can agree on Doom sucking dick. Easily the most overrated character in all existence, with even writers falling for his empty hype over the years
>>154626188Its fine though not as good as Spider-Man life story
>>154616468>inoffensively blandCan't get any worse than bland.>>154616533>funIt's extremely dull.>>154622307He coasts on current science tidbits, but it's just as pseudosciencey as anything else. The perfect description of the run in my mind is "unnecessary".
>>154601838Fantastic
>>154631504Four
>>154612812Reed is canonically confirmed to be Autistic, that's something he himself stated.Fantastic Four Season One is where it happened.
Is there anything you guys like post -Kirby and pre-Byrne? I did like a few Stan Lee issues and some the Roy Thomas stuff but the quality goes down a lot. Also fuck whoever decides to split Crystal and Johnny up only to replace Crystal with medusa which sucks and has no character
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>>154633247>Reed is canonically confirmed to be Autistic, that's something he himself stated.Show the page where he said it
>>154622264Old silver age faces sometimes fuck with my head when I'm high as fuck, is it just me? It looks weirdly... I don't even know the word. "Blocky", I guess.
I am reading V3 right now and I gotta say I feel like Reed doesn't constantly stretch just for fun like Plastic Man. I feel like that makes the visuals more boring than they could be. Maybe it is just this run though, I haven't read much FF.
>>154633447I still hope some day Jhonny and Crystal will be a couple again
>>154633447I'm surprised Marvel never did an issue of What If? where those two stayed together
>>154636692The closest was an annual where Ben visited a universe where the FF grew up in real time, and Johnny and Crystal get together again in their 40's.
>>154636728They also had a kid
>>154636728Do you know which annual is that?
>>154636692Why do something interesting with long-lasting potential when you can have Spider-Man die and/or give someone else the symbiote?
>>154637252FF annual 1998
future fundation was so good. Is the only good thing that jonahtann hickman had written for mavel neither his avengers or his x-men delivers as good as FUTURE FUNDATION and fantastic four.
>>154639516The two typed of FF villains>"I am Xer'goth McPoopy, ruler of dimension Z. Prepare to die and for your world to be conquered">"REEEE LOOK RICHARDS I'M SMARTER THAN YOU!!!"
>>154604904I do like it when Namor baits Reed into fights
>>154601838FF>Avengers>>>>>>>>>>>>X-Men
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>>154642711Why is Ben yellow
>>154642865that's just what he looks like without a tan.
>>154642541>>154642711One of the few nicer things about newer comics. Reed’s powers being used far more extensively was sorely missed for a long while there. Remember when he was just “le dumb outdated autistic stretchy guy” in the 2000s? Fucking awful decade, that was.
>>154620067>Don't forget when Reed made some skrulls think they were actual cows and they lived on a farm & got butchered and turned into hamburgers & eaten by peopleOriginally those Skrulls made a full recovery from being turned into cows and showed up again in the Kree/Skrull War storyline in Avengers, them getting turned into burgers is all on Morrison and Millar being edgelords and giving us the hot garbage that was Skrull Kill Crew.>>154622235It's amazing how many characters in Ultimate Marvel were just ruined from their debut because the writers just couldn't stop being retarded edgelords using the books as an opportunity to do all the things you wouldn't be allowed to do with the 'real' versions, instead of trying to genuinely create viable modernizations.
>>154633447>Also fuck whoever decides to split Crystal and Johnny up Roy Thomas took over FF after Stan left, and Steve Englehart took over Avengers from Roy around the same time. Roy wanted to write Crystal out of FF to get Johnny single again, Englehart wanted to write Quicksilver out of Avengers to give Wanda a bigger role without her brother holding her back, so together they came up with the idea of pairing up Pietro and Crystal as a means of retiring both characters.>only to replace Crystal with medusa which sucks and has no characterI think you're being harsh on Medusa here. Despite how Marvel mishandled her so badly in the 2010s, she's usually a good character.>>154635403I'd prefer this for Johnny and Lyja
>>154644137>Roy wanted to write Crystal out of FF to get Johnny single againThe ancient Marvel tradition of fucking up relationships to regress character, I see
>>154601976>Bitches and whores
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>>154644137As long as he isn’t with Alicia, most of Johnny’s girlfriends honestly aren’t that bad with him.
>>154644137I see, thanks, I havent caught to that in the avengers, i do really like roy Thomas run thought, i only have the kree-skrull war left to read >I think you're being harsh on Medusa here. Despite how Marvel mishandled her so badly in the 2010s, she's usually a good character.I do like when she's with the Inhumans but she was a nothingburger when she was a FF member
>>154644593I honestly don't go for Lyja. One thing was the kidnapping and impersonation of Alicia, but she kept lying to Johnny well beyond the reveal just because she was so infatuated with him, even if the best for him required her to go away.
>>154644675The most I remember from her time in the team was her light flirtations with Reed.
>>154644695Oh yeah theres one issue where reed gets invited to a class reunion (turns out it was doom's scheme) and during it she gets mistaken as his wife.
>>154644803He looks so fucking happy kek
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>>154601976Nah, desu this comes off as her seeing the gigantic pile of red flags he was and trying to bail out while letting him down nicely."Oh you're just too noble and deep for a slut like me, don't worry, you can do better." type shit like she's trying to baby him so he won't sperg the fuck out because basically anyone who knew Reed at that point realized that he was a egotistical psycho with a persecution complex who was going to go off any day now.
>>154644137Yes, Luja Is the second close option
>>154606758
Thoughts on F4s appearances in todays comics? Their own book and Armageddon?
>>154648462I'm pretty sick of North's run. I'm against every book needing to build up to some big event but I would like for things to actually happen in them
>>154648534the book has been occupied by OWUD tie-ins for the last half a year and NOBODY liked that
>>154601838Reed was a huge cuck and his wife had to search for satisfaction from someone else while he wasn't around
>>154648628Projecting this hard can't be good for your health
>>154648825That someone else was named King Ch'ah Namor Toh Almehen. Reed walked in on him with his wife and killed him and framed it as a suicide. His wife immediately gave birth to Namors baby, which Reed thinks is his own
>>154649062I think you should kill yourself as well
>>154650154they call him 0070 good comics0 canon feats7 "bad end" AUs
Well, at least he is not like inhumans:A fantastic four supporting character.but after 1961...
>>154601838>Still the best Fantastic Four movie
>>154601838How many times did Sue cheat on Reed? All universes count.
>>154618235>Edgy boy says something edgyYeah, I believe that how it went in his mind.
Least obvious samefag
>>154650833does that shit say daredevil
>>154651780Yes and its one of if not the best silver age Daredevil issue. >>154650833Whats the consensus on the John Byrne run? I know nothing about it but I always see the omnibus on discount, like its trying to lure me in.
>>154650918>>154651095Sharkfag is that you
fantastic
>>154652084I thought he was a blind lawyer that beats up a bald guy what is he doing in the water
>>154653224four
>Why yes, I DO post that The Incredibles is the best Fantastic Four movie on Reddit! How could you tell?
I think Simonson's design for Doom is underrated
>>154653719That design is really good.
>When it comes to Fantastic Four the Alpha and the Omega is The Kirby/Lee run.Some of the highlights of this run is :Fantastic Four #1 first appearence of the FF.Fantastic Four #2 first appearence of the Skrulls.Fantastic Four #4 first appearence of Namor the Sub-Mariner.Fantastic Four #5 first appearence of the nemesis of the team..Dr.Doom!Fantastic Four #12 The FF meet the Incredible Hulk.One of the major rivals of The Thing.Fantastic Four #29 A tragic romance starring The Thing.Fantastic Four #36 First appearence of the evil FF the Frightful Four.Fantastic Four #39 Team-Up with Daredevil.Fantastic Four #45-48(also 36 and 44) "The Inhumans saga" first appearence of the inhumans and one of the most memorable stories of the run.Fantastic Four #48-51 Probably the best story of the run."The Coming of Galactus".First appearence of Galactus the Devourer and his herald the Silver Surfur.
>Fantastic Four Visionaries: John Byrne (9 volumes) John Byrne's run made a number of significant changes to the title from the origin story to a temporary change of members.>Fantastic Four By Mark Waid (3 volumes) Mark Waid wrote one of the greatest runs on MARVEL's first family. From Doctor Doom to Galactus this run has everything a F4 fan wanted.>Fantastic Four By Jonathan Hickman (6 volumes) Probably the best modern run on the Fantastic Four, Hickman's run introduced many new concepts and expanded the Fantastic Four franchise.
>Fantastic Four Visionaries: Walt Simonson (3 volumes)>FF by Jonathan Hickman (3 volumes) Probably the greatest effect of Hickman's run was the creation of the Future Foundation. A philantropic organization with it's single purpose to create a better future for all of humanity.
>The Incredibles is STILL the best Fantastic Four movie!
>>154653408Its namor who comes to the streets to fight and Matt has to stop him. Its also the first ever issue where Daredevil has the red suit.
>>154654653The plot is kinda goofy, but it's drawn by Wally Wood
Thoughts on the movie?
>>15465655194=legit good adaptation dragged down by the low budget 05/07= charming, but they're too constricted by the conventions of cbm's of the era. They feel too desperate to be "hip" and don't embrace the nerdy/puñpy roots of the book2015: what else is there to say, the single worst adaptation of the books25: decent film that got cut short of it's full potential. It's the one that got the closest to the Star Trek-type sensibilities of the FF.
>>154654179I kind of like Reborn F4.
This is something so important and I can't believe this plot is happening in the Captain America comic! Incredible, and I'm really curious to read more about Doom and how he'll react and what he'll do.
>>154601838okay
>>154656889It was in the last issue?!
>>154659765Yesterday's story time yes.
>>154656791Jim Lee's art was still great in mid 1990s
