I really don't give a shit about her anymore given how much is she has been character assassination/ruined I just want her gone for good. It's obvious they are never going to undo the damage they did to her so quite frankely screw her. The soider-man books are better off witthout her anyway.
>>154602544If we're wanting things for Peter Parker Spider-man, I would much rather every other spider character get killed off. No exceptions. All of them. Every version. Every timeline. Every universe. All of them. A true renaissance. Back to basics. It's gotten too big for itself. The specialness and uniqueness has been diminished to the point of triviality. I don't give a shit about any of them.
>>154602544she's a whore so getting knocked up by Miles fits her like a glove
>>154603123A reboot would be for the best really only this time no Mary Jane if anything then Peter should be with Gwen.
>>154603301I don't hate that.
>>154603301I on the other hand don't want gwen to show up at all. She was a fuck awful character and only 50+ year old secondaries who never read it or were 5 when she was around and couldn't parse how absolutely shit she was would want her back.Also fire everyone who had anything to do with spiderman since....civil war.
>>154602544Polish hands wrote this post.
They're going to either do one of two things. A: At some point they'll sweep the last few years of Mary Jane stories under the rug to be only seen again in obscure references by writers in 10-15 years. Not use MJ for a little while and then bring her back later B: Turns out that the Mary Jane that came back with Paul wasn't the real Mary Jane and she's really been stuck/frozen in limbo since and this current MJ was a body double that replaced her and thats why she acts like a different character. We then relegate Paul MJ to obscure never be seen again tier and bring back "original" MJ. With the success of MJ/Petes popualirty among the MCU fan crowd I also wouldn't be surprised if they just make them back together in the next year or two and ignore everything like 2018-Now.
maybe Breeovrt and Quesada succeeded in making you hate the character but she is Peter's endgamealways has been
Yes, let MJ join her one true love in death.
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>>154603223Obsessed with black cock lmao
>>154603364Reboot the whole fucking thing. From scratch. And this time he's with Ursula.
I have never seen a company so clearly indifferent to spiteful towards its own breakout success character.She lived her living nightmare for years and has had no inner dialogue, monologue or explanation on how she came to terms with it. She's not a character post 2008, she's a trophy whip for the Peter and b8 from Spoffice wanting to sell more variants.All this bullshit will pass, just need to wait for the usual suspects to finally fuck off so the rewriting can start. MJ was Mysterio in a wig the whole time.
>>154603364Shill trying to fit in spotted
>>154602544She's a symptom, they wanted Spider-Man to be as big in-world as he is out-of-world so they could justify awful crossovers, this morphed Peter from an idealist into an ideal. Now his whole space is orbiters, especially the ones pretending not to be.Once they stop trying to fix shit isn't broken, MJ and Gwen and even their fucking Spider-Verse project will suddenly transform into a comic that is occasionally worth recommending.
I’ll never understand why everyone wants MJ to die over a dumb story even editorial seems ashamed of
>>154604006Anon, no one save for 50+ year old marvel execs wants this. NO ONE ELSEAnd I do want everyone who has had anything to do with spiderman for the last twenty years to be fired. Espescially the editors. >>154604229People want MJ dead more then Gwen Stacey alive because they are essentially violating the character and spiderman by association with their god awful mean spirited stories. Her dying and breaking him completely would actually be a change that makes him realize his pining for Gwen was just more of his responsibility kicking in. Gwen coming back and him being mostly indifferent to her as a romantic partner would show he fell out of love with her long ago and was only with her out of obligation and responsibility. Just drop kick those pathetic fucks who've ruined spiderman for over a quarter century right in their non-functioning raisin balls.
>>154604229They aren't ashamed enough, they are still doing apologetics even years later trying to explain the indefensible. Claremont was on their case within a year of Avengers #200, we haven't seen that level of contrition yet.For me I want her dead or gone not out of anger for her, she's a fictional character who arguably hasn't been properly seen for several decades. I want MJ, not this horrible thing spawned from jilted Gwenstans writing their personal issues onto a well-established character.I just don't trust nor want this current crop of writers under this editorial to write for her, they are bad at it and with every panel make the problem worse. Just put her on ice and let these monkeys run amuck in the office a few more years until BND mandate is finally put to bed.Then have the real MJ appear from a closet having been in Narnia all this time for all we care, let Wells golem turn into dust just like those fake children.
>>154604418Man everything here looks especially dumb after several years of faking it
>>154603301Nobody gives a shit about Gwen Stacy.>>154602544If you think MJ should be written out because of bad writing, you should want ASM canceled for the damage they've done to Peter over the last 20 years.
>>154604612Real MJ wouldn't fall for a Clyde if you'd stick her with one as the only option for a thousand years. She failed the DC/Odysseus test which love interests from the other Big company give their leads every other day. And she failed because Spoffice are hackfrauds who gambled the house on a mystery box with Avengers #200 inside.It's why they had to have it happen through a sunny #farmlife montage, it doesn't make sense except through Wells authorial fiat.Also why was there a farm with grass growing and sunny skies in the death-world where everything was dead? I thought life was hard hence trauma? Why was Paul so swole when he was a tech-bro supposedly living on a survivor diet?Did he Mayan magic buckets of chicken breast?And if he has such reality bending tech powers to be built into a gauntlet, how come he couldn't invent a way home for MJ? Did he never tell MJ that time may work differently in other universes, so Peter may still be on the way? Did he never bring this up? Did MJ never use her high EQ to sus out an obvious known liar for lies?This is what happens when you do high concept shit without any bones, it falls apart.
>>154602544Pretty sure MJ was supposed to have been written out for good in BND, but everybody kept complaining and so they dragged her back in.
>>154604776They literally wrote her off into the sunset first thing and started pushing Carlie, the first of many IT-girls in hopes of making romance dead and all love-interests just fun baubles to use and discard at a whim.Except MJ sells covers and not one of her replacements do. So they are in limbo, wanting to sell her as a pin-up but either resenting or not interested in her as a character in the role she was most natural in.
I hate boomer manbaby Spider-man fans so much it's unreal. Stop reading it and stop whining. The worst comic fandom around and it's not even close
>>154604950I'm in my twenties, I can't relate to the character they sabotaged for the youth. The comics prior 2008 read better and I understood the character more.
>>154604730Who from DC faced an Odysseus test? Batman is forever single and I've not known Superman to be away from Lois for an extended period of time (nor have I ever seen DC try and create a potential second love interest for her with Clark out of the picture). Did Barry or Wally have a love interest who was hit on/tempted by someone else when they were gone? Are Hal and Carol still together or did Hal become a bachelor again?
>>154604950Boomer Marvel employee spotted
>>154604950Go to bed, Dan. You’ve got a dogshit run to write.
>>154605142Both Clark and Bruce have been put in scenarios where they spend at least decades apart from their love interest, humorously enough both with Wonder Woman but neither of them cheat in the slimmest chance they could be reunited with their loved one.Hell Joe Kelly wrote an arc where Clark and Diana spend thousands of years fighting together, Clark expressly turns her down due to Lois.Say Peter is stuck for a few years with a Paula whilst MJ desperately rallies a rescue on the other side only for Peter, Paula and the two kids to be there for the 'reveal' that he chose Paula over MJ and he's not leaving her. They wouldn't, because that's outrageous, undermining and out of character. But they don't mind doing that with MJ because in that specific office she was never 'the One' by anything but a mistake. It's an extremely unique environment entirely out of step with the wider franchise and fanbase, but it's kept alive like a relic out of time because it's Spoffice and they are sheltered from consequence.
>>154603483You know they'd fuck up B and make the "real" MJ look like Zendaya for MCU synergy
>>154605263If they do then the continued annihilation of all redheads in media has to be studied, I don't understand this minority erasure.
>>154605278It makes it even more baffling that Jimmy Olsen managed to recover from his
>>154602544They’ve had almost 20 years to write her out of the story and they’re unable to. You can’t simply kill her because of Gwen but you could’ve written a divorce in and it would’ve been fine. But I think you’re just a cuck who has nothing to say outside of the same shit that Slott and Lowe said
>>154605332Has he? I know in all adaptations both CW and MAWS he's no longer a freckled red-head. Is he still good ol' Jimmy in the comics?
Just a reminder that we are rapidly approaching OMD’s twentieth anniversary and Mephisto still owns Mary Jane’s soul. Do you think Marvel will ever address that fact, especially if she ends up as the new Queen in Black?
>>154605394Technically owns or at least has savaged both Peter and MJ's souls, it's canonical that on every panel since 2008 a part of their souls are screaming. Has a collar and ballgag for them both waiting for when they die.I still can't wrap my head around this. They had the one day, 24 hours for them to collectively think maybe trusting the DEVIL to a DEAL was a bad idea. No negotiation of terms, how it was going to happen, a verbal agreement and then just a cut panel to start of BND.Hell MJ added terms (who said she could?) saying not to mess with Peter, but didn't mention herself? No wonder she is acting out of character. Mephisto has carte blanche to do whatever he feels per the terms of his agreement.What a mess 616 is.
>>154602544There is no hope. There is no one in a position of power who cares enough, or even wants to, change anything. It's black pilling.
>>154605564Sure there is hope, it's just end of tunnel hope. Time is aging out the old mandate, it will not have a fond or positive legacy.The real question is what comes next, a new generation of editors and writers that grew up with the marriage with a new set of stories to tell? A complete shuttering of Marvel Comics division by Disney and the start of third party licensing for characters? A reckoning with these big name characters entering the public domain?Things are inevitably going to change, the problem is the current stasis by design is extremely frustrating to be experiencing.How's everyone enjoying our second bout of a secret relative plot in recent memory?
>>154602544nobody cares about her whore ass though.best move would be just pretend her character exist.then maybe acknowledge her after 4 or 6 years.
>>154605680*pretend her character doesn't exist.
>>154605651Theresa Parker was better because she's a better incest option for Peter.
If you're going to make Peters parents some globetrotting spies who knows what kind of things they left unfinished? Some enemy with a grudge might come out of the woodwork one day. Peter and Theresa get to bond as brother and sister as they get into some fun Bond shenanigans.You know, anything. Right now we have a sinister rich man 'real' son to give Peter angst and feel insecure. This ain't it chief.
>>154605749Peter can have gay butt sex with his new cousin kramer.
>>154605940Peter can make a deal with the devil but he CANNOT be gay.It's written into his bible.
>>154602544They've tried both of those things. She comes back because people like her.What you're experiencing now is the conceited effort to tarnish her reputation so that the next attempt will work. It won't though, because they tried too hard and now everyone just hates editorial
>>154606461Gwen atleast had a proper death. They always try to get rid of MJ in retarted ways.
>>154606461What are the chances they are going to show their faces, let alone allow questions at San Diego?
>>154602544Stay mad loser Mj Venom is the best thing yet
For the faggots at the Marvel editorial to be here seething this hard, i guess that disney did something that pissed them off on the anniversary special that is done and printed and shipping off monday.This is didio getting fired levels of salt
>>154606752No it isn't lmao
>>154605278They couldn't figure out how to make red hair ugly so they filed it under objectification.
>>154606861I doubt some aging gen xers and boomers at editorial are going to bother with random shitpost spidey threads on 4chan. That would help them keep in touch with the youth they claim to know already.Maybe Slott though.The anniversary special is an interesting case, it's coming right when MJ is arguably in a real nadir for her character. Still covered head to toe in the misery of the Wells run and hastily stripped of Jackpot persona to be thrown into a Venom suit with only a token confrontation about this from Ewing.It should be a real body horror situation for her, living her worst nightmare and flinching whenever she sees a mirror. Instead everything is light as air and everything is played for laughs.God can these characters be HUMAN again?
>>154604776People are still complaining nearly a quarter century later over OMD and those cocksucking hacks are still pushing this bullshitNo. No one is interested in your fucking new spider character you created in hopes of getting royalties. No one is interested in your shit new love interest. Their marrioage is litterally more entrenched then superman and lois lanes and DC started to do a bad job of mimicing it as soon as it took off. This was a real unironic deal with satan"disney/fox" and they litterally ruined their marquee superman character with the single most insane twisted
>>154604950The only people still reading this ruined character are boomers going through a midlife crisis or are just so used to buying spiderman/collecting that they see it as a sunk cost fallacy.Everyone else just...stopped.
>>154606861I think it's either that or something else going on internally
>>154605258>sheltered from consequence.LOLThe entire fucking office is going to be shitcanned soon. Disney is seriously considering shutting down marvel comics and whoring out the IP to actual talent soon. It's going to be a bloodbath. >>154605343>can’t simply kill her because of GwenSure you can. But here's the problem. MJ dying like a heroine and spiderman being unable to save her will have a greater impact then Gwen's death ever did. It will sell comics and become a milestone issue, because since they kept something as universally hated as the deal with satan they will all know she's staying dead. Hopefully they'll bring back gwen and everyone will finally see that the spider editors are all out of touch with reality fucking retards who should have all been fired 20+ years ago.
>>154605441And their unborn daughter was born into hell. Her first sight and sounds are horror fire and her first cry was of terror and unending agony.But hey, people forgot spiderman was peter parker and aunt may has a few more months or years of pain and loneliness on earth.
>>154606461They don't do it because people like her. If they gave a fuck about the audience they would do things a hell of a lot differently. No they keep her around as a way to pull in viewers when their shit books need a boost. That's all. Kill her off and save her from the spider books.
I want her dead in 616 until a new regime is in and the writers and editors in charge aren't holding a multi-decades old apathy for her.Then bring her back in style, until then let her bloom in other adaptations.
>>154603762Thanks for stating that MJ should be Undertaker whose special power is burying secular jews as christians.
>>154607327Yeah the justification was dogshit even if it was an accident that they got bonded.
>>154607732>they don't do it because people like her, they do it because more people buy the comics when she appears
>>154602544Retire this character ASAP.There's no salvaging this.
>>154602544Why not give Gwen a chance? She deserves her time to shine.
>people fell for polish baitAnons come on. Unless its just the polack samefagging, which is likely atp.>>154609644This post reeks of his stench.
>>154602544the nortubel of Spiderman
>>154608037Paul is neither Christian nor Jewish, because he can't worship himself.
>>154602544Nah but we should ban polish people from posting here
>>154609703Agreed
>>154609703>>154609735I dunno, we kinda need them, they make up for everything we polack.
>>154609773Shitting spider-man threads? Geniunely the spider-threads before him were actual threads. That were usable.
>>154609668Nope. Putin should be inspired by Paul's christian funeral by now and his plan in burying Poland as christians in the upcoming second Holocaust should be in motion.
>>154609891Intresting
>>154605278I think is because of the idea and prejudice that red heads don't have soul.
>>154602544No, they just need to reveal that she has been in a magic coma in a pocket dimension since OMD and they was just Mephisto in disguise or something
>>154609828>>154609891Sssshhh. Let the Paul flow through you.
At this point main run of Spider-man is poisoned beyond repair. Just reboot everything and for the love of god don't bring Gwen, Felicia or MJ back. Marvel Adventures already proved that fans can love literal who as love interest considering how beloved Chat/Sophia is. Most importantly though you'd need completely new writers & editors since current batch are cuckoldry-obsessed hacks that ruin everything they touch
>>154604361>Her dying and breaking him completely would actually be a change that makes him realize his pining for Gwen was just more of his responsibility kicking in. Gwen coming back and him being mostly indifferent to her as a romantic partner would show he fell out of love with her long ago and was only with her out of obligation and responsibility.That will make things worse. Better to wait for a young and fresh editorial team and a good writer to roll with the punches, like with Immortal Hulk/Thor/Mortal Thor.
>>154604361>>154604418>>154608882Shill trying desperately to fit in spotted
>>154610109Appreciated your enthusiasm for Holocaust and christian funerals for secular jews, Zeb Wells.
>>154610373How? The other option is to keep Kelly or Ewing writing her, they suck at it. I rather characters not be used than get abused under an uncaring or vindictive pen.Till then, don't buy, don't encourage. Hell email them if only to vent and tell them what would make you think of buying, just don't be a mindless collectorfag letting them coast for another decade.
>>154607637Spider-Man is going home, to DC comics, where he, Mary Jane and the Batfamily are frens and family.
>>154602544Maryjane deserves to be DP by Flash and Dylan ngl
>>154602544DAMN she foyne!!
>>154610073That sounds stupid
>>154603123Fuck you. FUCK YOU!No way in Hell am I giving up my (original) Spidey Noir or Marvel Adventures Spidey and Chat.The rest can be tossed on the fire, though, I'll agree. Let's throw all X-stuff on there while we're at it. They never should have been part of any Marvel continuity. Their whole discrimintation thing only make sense in a univeres where there aren't any other superpowered characters.
>>154612566Everything you just posted is fucking stupid and wrong.
>>154605258>Bruce>Love interestNow you are just being silly. Batman doesn't have a love interest in the same way that Superman, Flash, Spider-Man or even Daredevil did. Going by that logic he 'failed' the Odysseus test with Catwoman + Nocturna around COIE. There is no obvious lover for Batman. I think that (may Allah forgive me for uttering his name) Tom King might have written his longest continous relationship and that was awful.I wiill give you Superman but I was asking about the inverse. Peter stays faithful all the time; the analagous situation to MJ is Lois. Has she ever been set up with someone attractive (ie: not Lex) hitting on her while Clark was out of the picture for a long time?
>>154605258>Louis being faithful Lol, lmao even. If you're going to accuse MJ for failing the odyssey test then Louis fails that shit even harder
>>154614230What is the Odyssey test? A woman staying loyal over time?
>>154614230This is from a reboot universe It’s like complaining Peter doesn’t date Gwen in E65It was also so hated that they did the Convergence story arc to set things right
>>154603223They should just hook up
>>154614383Getting blacked would be improvement over getting Paul'd
>>154605347Yeah, and in the Gunn movie
>>154614383>>154614510It seems Miles WAS created to satiate the fans that have Cuck/ blacked/BVLL fetish. there is no way around it.I miss Paul...
>>154602544Shut the fuck up, dan slott.
>>154602544>>154603223
>>154614230>Using Dan DiDio cuck reboot Fantasy universe.Thank God that new52 were all souless copies blue dick did while the real earth was in stasis.It took the real Superman and Wally West to undo this and fire DiDio from the industry.
>>154609773I like Spectacular's artstyle
>>154604650>Nobody gives a shit about Gwen Stacy.I for one do care about her and I still want her back.
>>154602544I disagree!
>>154616089yeah me too,
>>154617737Its the pole anon..
