Why does Infinity War make me feel something while Doomsday makes me feeling nothing?
>>154619670Because superhero fatigue is real, like westerns before it, superheroes are an old fad now
>>154619670One hasn't come out.
>>154619670Because Infinity War is a culmination of 10 years(?) of buildup, and you never really knew how fucked production was, so it feels a bit more cohesive.Doomsday is a product of a kneejerk reactionof shareholders/Disney to appease the crowd. Instead of slowly re-introducing a new idea, they just took a sharp fucking turn to salvage any and all ideas that would draw seats in. We're getting scraps from a failed entrepreneurial gamble.
>>154619670Infinity War was fun explosions but Endgame was dogshit where every five minutes they’d reference a line of dialogue from a previous film>errrmmm this is just like Budapest>errrmmm Hail Hydra>errmmmm let’s get cheeseburgers
>>154620285Endgame has all the problems people complain about now but everyone was on the hype train so they ignore it.
>>154619670Because you're stupid.Both are shit.
>>154619909We were pretty excited for Infinity War long before it came out, though.
>>154619670Because the last 8(yes 8) years have been really aimless. The first 10 years did start to get off the rails a bit with Phase 2 but came back enough within the 2 years before IW to build up hype. Spider-man NWH ws the last MCU movie with hype and that was 5 years ago.
>>154619670>Loki on the posterI’m not watching this.
>>154619670It has no buildup at all? No movie led to this, while everything over a decade led to Infinity War.
>>154619670You're no longer 12, but rather 20.
>>154619670Multi-verse ruined the MCU's appeal. >Oh man how will the Fantastic Four be introduced? Maybe they were lost in a secret mission in the 60s!>Nevermind its just an alternate earth>I wonder how they'd introduce the X-men!>Oh its just the fox universe/>Oh wow they killed a hero, there's real stakes to this series!>Oh never mind they found a variant of them to live in the same world. They had a leg up on the comics by being able to tell a mostly in real time story that had real endings and then fucked up the next decade of movies so bad they had to go back on that idea entirely and bring everyone back so now it also has the downsides of comics where nothing fucking matters.
>>154622563The Fantastic Four First Steps movie was just bad. I don't want to watch some disaster preparation movie set in 60's sci-fi land. I want to see superheroes in our present day and age kicking ass. The Doomsday cast feels like a bunch of leftover superheroes just kind of crammed together.
>>154619819>bad movie fatigueFTFY
>>154619670Multiple factors overlapping but at the core - because Iron Man, Cap and Thor had solid planned character arcs despite hit and miss movies. Meanwhile BlackCap and uhhh Spider Man? Dr Strange? Bunch of no names? Had nothing resembling cohesive and interesting character arcs.
>>154619670Is the bottom one real? Looks like shit.
>>154620285>>154620363Finally… people who speak English. Endgame sucked balls.
>>154619670Because they were building up to Infinity War for 14 years. Doomsday only exists because Disney fired Majors for getting his ass kicked.
I’m putting my suicide off for this movie and Secret Wars. Doctor Doom is my favorite comic book character and I’ve waited my whole life to see Avengers crossover with X-Men and Fantastic Four. I see all the criticisms, but I’m looking forward to it. It’s my reward for not blowing my brains out.
>>154619670Because Infinity War was the conclusion of an simple but effective setupMost MCU movies have a macguffin>The final baddie's source of power is having all the macguffins so all the heroes have to fight himThe Multiverse saga is just throwing shit at the wall and seeing what sticks, not unlike what Marvel was doing before but at least they had a vauge plan in a napkin, here they were just winging it
>>154622687Endgame was Fanservice: The Movie. Which works the first time, but every other viewing is just annoying.
>>154619670Infinity War was built up over years of good movies resulting in a climax. Doomsday is coming after that same amount of time has passed with them just middling around with a bunch of filler no one liked them trying to jump to an unearned climax with characters no one cares about
>>154622737It didn’t work for me even on the first time around. I was sitting in the theater trying to understand the retarded ass time travel logic. Everyone around me cries at Tony Stark dying meanwhile I’m sitting there internally thinking to myself, “Since when could the fucking Infinity Gauntlet kill people when they use it?” because it didn’t do that shit in the comics. Movie just didn’t make sense to me. Days of Future Past is the movie people think that Endgame is.
>>154622563This. They've been pushing multiverse stuff because it's soft atheism but it just makes for bad storytelling. It's like the new time travel
>>154620285>>154620363>>154622687>>154622737>>154622755LE ENDGAME BAD is the most normie tier NPC redditor opinion imaginable
>>154622734I think it's less they were winging it and more they fumbled the ball with DEI social programming so they have to keep memoryholing their flops and trying to walk it back to reel people back in. The sad part is even if they somehow fixed it they would just try it again
>>154622765Then the normies and redditors are right in a “broken clock is right twice a day” kind of fashion because that movie is shit and I hope that Doomsday does every kind of retcon or whatever to undo it. I hope Doctor Doom destroys Steve’s entire world for that selfish bullshit he pulled by abandoning everyone and going to live in a timeline he doesn’t belong in.
>>154622737People excuse the movie a lot because of the cool final battle but besides that the might isn't that good. Those directors aren't very good
Objective ranking of best to worst movies: Iron ManIron Man 2Avengers 2Spider-Man 3Guardians 1Avengers 1The Incredible HulkGuardians 2WandaVisionAvengers 3Spider-Man 2Ant-Man 1 = Spider-Man 1Deadpool & Wolverine Doctor Strange 2Avengers 4Iron Man 3 = Ant-Man 2Black WidowThor 4Thor 3Thor 2Thor 1Captain America 1Captain America 2Captain America 3Captain Marvel Ant-Man 3Black Panther 2Shang-ChiEternalsRest I haven't seen yet
>>154619670That Infinity War mural is blatant false advertising. Hawkeye isn’t even in that movie and Hulk is only in it for 30 seconds.
>>154619670Thread is full of faggots who don’t know Loki saved the MCU and besides First Steps, it’s been getting better, and that the newer stuff isn’t for kids anymore and is trying to be more dark, mature, and intellectual. Shows what level IQ and maturity you double niggers have shitting on the multiverse saga when it’s universally agreed this is the best and most intelligent the MCU has been in years and it stared with Loki.>>154622175I am. Seethe.>>154622464>>154622715Based. The MCU is really fucking good and anyone who’s not a tard is hyped for this. The MCU sucked with the infinity saga, was underbaked in the middle, and with Loki season 2 and onward, a fucking masterpiece. And Marvel knows this too, they want to be profound and intelligent and want a smart and matureaudience instead of the tards who want mindless superhero or Norse mythology slop.
>>154622563I could not agree more man. The Spider-Man movies are pretty much the turning point when the MCU gave up on organically introducing things and just decided to fish around other universes for characters. In Homecoming alone, we established that Norman Osborn does not exist, that the Avengers are not going to be anywhere near New York anymore, and that Peter is still a rookie in high school despite the rest of the universe being 6-7 year veterans. Then the sequels were all about the multiverse, culminating in No Way Home establishing that MCU Spider-Man has no actual villains of his own. They just cannibalized the other movies and that's gonna be the plan for every franchise going forward.
>>154622789>Captain America trilogy that lowYour *SUBJECTIVE list is a dumpster fire. Seeing you love Iron Man, I’m guessing you hate Cap because he beat that motherfucker’s ass to a pulp at the end of Civil War.
>>154622774They realized their mistake with wokefaggotry, the MCU is finally listening to us. >>154622779Steve Rogers is a faggot, I hope he’s tortured mercilessly throughout the film, he’s a selfish and boring bitch of a person. I’m glad more and more people are hating him. Fuck Captain Fagerica. Selfish narc. Doom will be based (he’s always based) when he destroys his shit. Loki lit the light of saving the MCU and ChaDOOM is carrying the torch by showing Steve what a monster he is. And since it’s Waldron writing, he’s good at calling out shitass evil characters.
>>154622774No, they winged it too. Ffucking Kang was originally just the main bad guy for Ant-Man 3, then the execs get amazed by Majors acting so they decided to build a saga around him, shoved him into Loki s1 as a sneak peek to his debut in Quantumania but then that bombs and the plans for Kang as the saga bad guy are scrapped and the character ends up as what he originally was, just the bad guy of Ant-Man 3. This is why there's literally no mention of Kang in movies from 2021-2022 even though some deal with the Multiverse like Dr Strange 2, he wasn't a thing yet in the plans.
>>154622828Most people hate Captain America. He’s a selfish, narcassistic faggot.
>>154622836Majors was a chad, he got fucked over and lied about for being a man. Kang was truly the best villain ever in the best show ever. I’m glad you agree. Marvel fucked up firing this poor guy, but I think Doom can save it.
>>154622806>>154622829>Doom is basedLokifag, whatever you do, don’t look at the plot leak. I don’t think you’ll like him much at all anymore after he does what he does.
>>154622845Back to your containment, pants shitter.Is Lokifag samefagging himself?
>>154622859No. He was replying to me.
>>154622854Lokifag has stated he doesn’t care if Doom kills Loki as long as it keeps Thor away from him. He doesn’t care, he just hates Thor and wants his husbando brotherless
>>154622755Another question is why can you disappear half the universe and that's reversible but not bring back Black Widow?
>>154622863I know. I met some of these other posts defending the MCU, they feel like he’s samefagging.
>>154622865some BS about how the soul stone can’t reverse it. the russos made up really stupid rules for the gems to add tension and stakes
>>154622828They were incredibly boring upon a rewatch.The first one is a ridiculous mess. Cap and Britbong have no chemistry. In fact, they don't even have any dialogue or interactions that would suggest they even like each other. This is all the more exasperating when they each have a hint of chemistry with other characters in the movie.A woman wasn't promoted to the rank of General in the United States of America's military until 1970 and even then she was a nurse and it was mostly an honorary title. There wasn't a four star woman general until 2008 and she was promoted as a P.R. stunt by Obama. This movie expects me to believe a BRITISH woman somehow immigrated to America and attained an above top secret black ops ranking in 1940 and that she was so valuable the officers were willing to physically beat the grunts and threaten to court martial them DURING WW2 for being like: "Eh, what's the gash doing here? They ain't even allowed to join the military, vote, or drive?" I could maybe, maybe have looked the other way if they hadn't insisted on giving her a think British accent, making it obvious she couldn't have moved to the U.S.A. until after she was an adult. You're telling me a woman who didn't even enter the country until she was an adult somehow joined the army and rose to a SHIELD level position during the time when the U.S.A. was perhaps the most weary of foreigners?The skinny Steve looks dumb. They didn't even try.I remember the dialogue being bad, too. And Steve's whole arc as a gimmick seemed dumb. Changing Bucky to his cool older brother type friend added nothing, as well since they never did anything with Bucky.
>>154622913If they were going to do the P.R. mascot angle they should've kept Bucky a kid and made him like a boy scout they won a contest it something. It would've made it more poignant when Steve goes to save him. That aside, they also should've made Peggy Steve's crush from back home that joined the Salvation Army or something. It would've added a whole level to his 4F that he can't do to war but even his crush did while also being a good bit of history and actually realistic. Then when he shows up and is so invulnerable he begins to impress her.3's plot doesn't even start until 45 minutes in and the whole "United Nations accords" was ridiculously stupid now that we've seen Israel prove in real time that the United Nations means literally nothing. You're telling me a U.S.A. That has the Avengers on it's side is crapping it's pants because France and Zimbabwe said that's not fair and they have to share them? Even more absurd is that some random German guy could push his way in there and demand to speak to Bucky 1 on 1. He's not only a U.S.A. soldier and decorated hero they have statues of in museums but he's also technically a piece of above top secret military weaponry. There's no way they would let a foreigner in there or even entertain the idea that they would surrender him to a foreign nation.
>>154622916It's even more ridiculous that they were talking about having him arrested. Bucky is an active duty military personnel that's presumably been a P.O.W. for the last 50 consecutive years. He's due an honorable discharge and 30 years of pension back payment not the third degree from a random European. Even if he would be in a position to stand trial he wouldn't be going to regular court he would be going to military court because laws and the judicial system work differently due active duty personnel and it's nonsensical that Roadie, Falcon, Cap, AND Thunderbolt are all apparently completely ignorant of this fact since they're all career military men with over 10 years experience. They should've been telling Tony and German guy to screw off this is military business and shut it down saying any information about Bucky was classified and that they weren't even confirming not denying that he even existed.
>>154622789The one ly good MCU movie is Iron ManThat's itEven shit like Winter Soldier is mid as an espionage genre movie. Iron Man was just great as a movie.
>>154622836No, it was because he got arrested for beating his wife. They even tried to run cover for him until we blew it up online and they were forced to abandon him
>>154622865Almost as bad as: Why not just make more resources? Or: why not just charge realty so there's less fighting or resources work differently? I understand why they wanted to change his motivation, but taking out the trying to to impress the grim reaper thing just broke his character
>>154622928You're not wrong about Iron Man but the top 3 are objectively good and the top seven are arguably really good
>>154622924Oh, also: the entire plot of Captain America 3 relies on pretending that Nick Fury doesn't exist because he would've shut that entire thing down in three seconds
>>154620285Endgame is completely fine and you can forgive the nostalgia overdrive because it's basically the end of the series.Of course it has plenty of weaknesses that IW didn't have, some of which suggest that hheavy rewriting happened that made consistency suffer, such as Nebula being a dumb 100% responsible for Thanos ever showing up again, and the movie completely fucking up its own time travel rules at the end.>>154622913>A woman wasn't promoted to the rank of General in the United States of America's military until 1970stopped reading there. it's a fucking marvel movie, not a documentary, or did you bitch about nazis having laser guns too?>>154622979well, your whole post reslies on pretending that nick fury didn't retire or whatever it was at the end of captain america 2. even ignoring all the retarded crap they did later with the skrulls, he's not working for the US government anymore. there are other things to criticize about it, but this is not one of them
>>154622836Loki season one was completed years before Ant-Man 3. The problem wasn't using Kang in AM3. It was expecting people to have seen Loki before the film for them to care about Kang in the first place.
>>154622979>>154623025Wasn't Fury in space?
>>154623155This. Their main problem was the MCU was used as a desperate attempt to shill Disney Plus because Disney needs several billion subscribers to make it worth the cost so a fuck ton of required stuff was tossed onto the platform. MCU part 1 worked because there was one, maybe two movies a year and it was the big event so everyone saw it. Now they expect people to see 3-4 movies a year plus 5 something Disney Plus shows in order to keep up and nobody wants to bother doing homework like that.
MCU is having the same problem Arrowverse did towards the end of it's run where more characters were dead than alive and people weren't interested anymore because the high moments are over and alot of remaining potential is gone because of said characters being dead or otherwise written out.
>>154619819Superhero Fatigue is copium buzzwords for movie studiosThey and their shills don't want to admit the stuff they've been putting out is below substandard
>>154619670Because the preceding movies for Infinity War had charm, likeable characters, and actual build up. While Doomsday doesn't.Infinity War was like having a great dessert after a full course meal that was, for the most part, pretty decent. Doomsday is like being served a (hopefully-great) dessert after being having a full course of bland slop with the service being done by monkeys rolling in thier shit.
>>154623247This. It's same with "anime fatigue" "gaming fatigue" or all these other excuses the execs keep making for the fact that nearly every industry is churning out crap that nobody wants to partake in
>>154622759>they've been pushing multiverse stuff because it's soft atheismEhh I don't think any sort of ulterior ideology or social engineering is necessary to explain that Disney is helmed by a bunch of suits who would split your mother's ribcage open for one more dollar off an Iron Man movie. They want the ability to have these characters around forever and multiverseshit is the laziest and most direct avenue to getting it.
>>154623157maybe, I haven't followed anything regarding secret invasion so I dunno where the real one was supposed to be at the time
>>154623247>>154623303Superhero fatigue is 100% real. Back in the 2010's, all a cbm had to do in order to be a hit was being "ok" at the very least (and sometimes not even that, absolute dogshit like 2016's Suicide Squad and the Venom movies were also succesful). Three superhero films last year got good reviews, and they all struggled at the BO in their own way. Coupled with that, is the zeitgeist moving on to different genres in masse, mainly anime and, by Hollywood's own admission, videogame adaptations.
>>154623446>Back in the 2010's, all a cbm had to do in order to be a hit was being "ok" at the very least (and sometimes not even that, absolute dogshit like 2016's Suicide Squad and the Venom movies were also succesful). Three superhero films last year got good reviews, and they all struggled at the BO in their own way.That's because the 2010's had a significantly better economy than now. Not because superhero films in particular are falling out of favor. Everything is making less now.
>>154623461The economy is worse indeed, but I don't think the situation doesn't also indicate a change in people's taste. Even the films that DO make bank today wouldn't have surpassed cape flick some years ago (case in point, PHM grossing more than every single cbm form last year). Specially amongst younger people who don't seem to be invested in capeshit. There was that article a week ago about Supergirl's production troubles where an exec was quoted saying "gen Z doesn't care about superheroes. It's a genre for millenials".
>>154623482Gen Z are just fucking broke and don't go to movies much. Even the Mario films despite being big successes didn't hit the 2billion plus that Infinity War and Endgame made.>There was that article a week ago about Supergirl's production troubles where an exec was quoted saying "gen Z doesn't care about superheroes. It's a genre for millenials".That's just typical execs being out of touch and/or coping. Gen Z are pushing 30, they're not the kids anymore. They WERE the kids and teens watching MCU at it's peak, while Millennials though they also liked it were young adults at the time. Now you could say Gen Alpha doesn't like superheroes, but Gen Alpha doesn't seem to like anything or have the attention span for anything beyond 15 second social media shorts
>>154623511Yeah, that part just felt like Hollywood not knowing age groups. I guess they meant younger Gen Z (around 2015) and Alphas, since older gen Z were the ones who followed most of the Infinity Saga. But the point of younger people not really caring, and older consumers moving on to different types of film, is still valid since we're witnessing it in real time. And the thing is that, it's just natural, you know. Superhero movies kept pop-culture under it's wings for 10 years straight; the bubble is ought to break eventually, as it happens with every trend. There's a reason capeshit is compared to westerns since both genres have had similar trajectories.
