Surrounded editionPrevious: >>154600076
I'm back bitches.
>>154620254>Don’t bother because of canon show material I cannot say is fanon.Alright.
Waste of animation.
>>154620292Season 2 is indeed that. How much of season 1 was a waste of time?
>>154620292Eh, I've seen worse.
>>154620365Like wat
>>154620386Velma. Birdgirl. Harley Quinn.
>>154620417This show of their quality on top of the unlikable lesbians.
This Exorcist is gonna reappear in S3 or likely 4 once Eve has made her move.She’s gonna walk into the scene with all the intimidating silent stage presence of Dave Bautista in Spectre and gouge some fools eyes out.
>>154620342I'd argue season two was a waste of time. Infuriating to think season two was supposed to be what is now season three.
>>154620483It proves is that no matter how much time you given to Viv, she’ll rather waste it up.
>>154620455Her looking like Abel a bit makes me wonder if her horns are kinda like his too.
>>154620577Oh absolutely. I don't have much faith in Viv's execution, despite having solid ideas. But sometimes she pleasantly surprises and she's been known to do what she wants regardless of pressure. I can respect that.
>>154620588Are you surprised she didn’t try to pitch it as a movie instead.
>>154620606I could believe her wanting the seasons to be longer, but had to settle for the 8-eps format. Didn't you hear, in her more recent interviews, how she thinks of Hazbin as based on a comic that doesn't exist (obviously) and she wishes to make *that* comic, to give more context/the story *she* wanted to tell? Amazon nerfed her hardcore. I consider that a blessing. Who knows what convoluted mish-mash we would have gotten. If Helluva Boss is anything to go by, we would be focusing on Alastor/Lucifer stuff each season.
>>154620628Have you read Zoophibia?
>>154620585>When Emily is no longer an option due to banishment, Abel is given this Exorcist chick as his new lieutenant.>He decides to give her Emily’s halo.
>>154620628Realistically the plot all about maximizing the yaoi and bizarre cucking stories.
>>154620713I haven't! I know very little about it. But I know uhhh, Speaker, Alastor, Rosie, Emily, Roo all have prototype characters...
>>154620788The only one that shows up in the zoophobia comic is the Roo prototype.
>>154620628Amazon never nerfed her. She nerfed herself.
>>154620993It should be the other way around
>>154620754>Abel finds his qt3.14 angel exterminator gf >Lute doesn't approve conspicuously >Morally conflicted about the war on hells lost souls but duty bound and morally bound to end their suffering >It's not because she doesn't like her, in a moment of raises tension she tells Abel they're related as the son of the first man and it's fucking weird to date what amounts to your cousin/niece >Abel in rare moment of backbone says "ok mom" derisively, puts his foot down in her outbursts as his subordinate, and driving deep recuses her on how it's any different than what clearly was going on with her and Dad >That's different.jpg >...I just want the best for you, you spineless dumb idiot >And why isn't that [insert girl name here] >"Though will be brought of cain" >Wat >Figure it out s i r
>>154620280Beautiful day
>>154621753Their bodies are way too small.
>>154621753Evil witch with evil nose.
Abel is cute, CUTE!
Good to see you're back Looty. I suggest everyone ignore Bugcuck and don't reply to him because he is a retard who will waste your time. He's a massive attention whore so don't give it to him.
>>154621824Good to be back, chief
Bald Hotel Cyclops edition
>>154620280Hiya Looty! It is genuinely nice to have you back. Hope vacation taught you some important life lessons
>>154621775,
>>154620238>they all have short hairMah nigga!
Abel’s shirt merch is really weird.His title “the first soft boy”They show off his legs and arms a lot more boldly His expression and pose is kinda villainousThe whole background is black He is surrounded with clouds that are “colored” by the black background. The state where clouds are about to rain.It’s one of the most ominous pieces I have seen in official Hazbin Hotel content.
>>154621753I want to hang her upside down and cum in her nostrils.
good lord abel's ass is fat
>>154621948Indeed it did, I'm so wise now you guys. Namaste
>>154621974Bugcuck you are genuinely hilarious. Are you gonna post a picture of a bunny next and pretend it's capable of the bloodshed caused by the beast from Monty Python's Holy Grail?
I don't know if anyone who was in this particular discussion (before I got kicked) is still here, but after this, someone asked whether the alleged Queen Bee leaks were ever found. I meant to reply but obviously I couldn't. I went digging through as much as I could, and interestingly enough, the alleged Queen Bee leaks appear to trace back to Chai as well. According to Chai, the source was a former SpindleHorse employee whose identity has never been made public. Supposedly, it's the same individual who also provided the Rosie/Lilith/Eve information that later circulated on Twitter in the form of those chat screenshots that everyone and their mother goes by. What's funny, though, is that Queen Bee's design itself wasn't exactly some hidden secret. Viv had already revealed her on Instagram back in September 2020. I found it funny that they all seem to trace back to the same alleged source.
>>154622257Bugcuck was called out on wanting to suck Looty's dick. didn't say a single thing about it and didn't deny it. p pathetic
>>154622347https://www.tumblr.com/s3tok41b4/738376779890376704/the-eve-lilith-rosie-evidence-post-bc-why-not
>>154622377>https://www.tumblr.com/s3tok41b4/738376779890376704/the-eve-lilith-rosie-evidence-post-bc-why-notYup, those are the chats from Chai.
>>154622386The confusion over Liltih might be from the uncertainty of some double plot twist.
>>154622377>look at the neck you guys!!11lmao>Rosie is Lilith, I think?rofl evenPeople are going to piss themselves when Lute turns out to be Eve and Lilith just turns out to be that much of a shitty mom
>>154622403There is no confusion. It's already been confirmed that Lilith is Lilith. Viv also debunked character switch theories.
>>154622364Yeah he won't leave me alone.. He even sent me an ask on my strawpage. Shit's fucked up
>>154622416Looty I recommend you do not interact with him at all. He seems to have become pretty obsessed.
>>154622457Honestly. No.Looty is a boring retard.
>>154622457Roger that. I'm assuming this isn't the first time he's done this sort of thing?
>>154622465Yup. He kinda develops weird parasocial rivalries with named folk he "debates" on 4chan. It's best to just ignore him or just call him a retard and end it there.
>>154622462In the previous thread, you were the first person to respond to her announcing she was back with your bug shit theory. She posted your gimmick on twitter, again asking about the bug theory. And when nobody answers you, you demand them to respond. get a life.
>>154622482Noted.
>>154622485All I asked if she was interested in bug theory or could properly refute it. And the answers were no.
>>154622492Cool, not gonna acknowledge the other creepy shit you've done. Alright. So then why the fuck do you keep asking her. Drop it already.
Guys just ignore him. He's an attention whore because his parents probably showered his brother with praise and attention while ignoring him. His behaviour now is a byproduct of being neglected as a child. Reawaken his trauma and treat him as the son of that should have died that day.
>>154620776Yeah, that is very true..
>>154622416Full disclosure that I (not Bugcuck) sent the gimmick about the bug thing as a joke. Looty's exaggerated reply implied she picked up that it was a joke and I would have nipped that in the bud way earlier if I realized she thought Bugcuck was sending things to her gimmick box. Sorry about that.
Looty have you compiled all Lute is Eve evidence into one massive post for quick explaining?
>>154622500I didn’t know she had a straw page till now.
>>154622524I figured it was a joke but then I got seriously freaked out and questioned my sanity for even humoring it. But thank you clearing that up, that makes me so much more relieved. All good here.>>154622526I have compiled all commentary relating to Lute and Eve respectively dating to 2024 - all from Jessica Vosk, Sam Haft, Viv, and other forbidden information I'm not really allowed to share (friends who used to be in the patreon server, conversation with a former employee, shit like that), stuff I'm still investigating, for my own reference, but I was considering making a TLDR document of some kind for the masses. Just for easy reference. Is there something in particular you needed? I'll be happy to provide.
>>154622553Just asking in case we get any newfags that requires a quick explanation
>>154622553As someone who was around for Bugcuck's big beefs he was never the obsessive party in them. It was always some other guy who would become obsessed with him and tracking him down. Take it from me that he is extremely irritating and should be ignored but he is also harmless.
>>154622560I'm too much of a yapper / over-explainer and the last thing I want to do is give people a document like that one radiopple theorist person (raz or whatever) - too disorganized and messy with nothing but pure speculation and old discord chats from Viv (??). I feel like Jessica's deleted tweet does a good enough job? Nothing complicated
>>154622553As Bugcuck himself. I should’ve told you to not associate your Twitter account with your activities here. There are really creepy people here that stalking Viv likes (one of the Lute Eve guy) and obsessed with doxingI understand how you feel.
>>154622573Gotchu gotchu. Thanks senpai.
>>154622591Nobody gives a fuck. Looty talks about the same shit on twitter than she does here. It's how people found her. Also you damn well know Looty's been sharing Viv's likes. You're not slick Bugcuck. You're the only one who's called them 'creepy'. lol everyone 'stalks' Viv's likes. Don't be stupid. Also viewing likes isn't the same thing as doxxing. Big fat F for you
>responds to the person he's talking shit on, pretending they're someone else.Id ask if you're special needs but i already know the answer.
>>154620823What about the others? Pretty sure I've seen the others...
>>154622612>>154622631I genuinely forgot Looty was behind it.
>>154622612Not him but you sure are stirring shit and obsessing over him when this discussion is basically done. Don't go the way of Loonaschizo now but you're probably a newfag who doesn't remember who that is.
>>154622650not the person you responded to but give the Loonaschizo lore, some of us weren't here 4 that
>>154622674>Loonaschizo is pissed off by Bugcuck's usual rambling and starts making threats>Announces that he's figured out where Bugcuck lives and he's going to travel cross country to beat him up>A few days later on his way there he goes on a date with a friend's sister(?) who turns out to be a bpdemon that rapes him and carves a heart in his leg with a knife>Loonaschizo is so traumatized by this that he drops the whole thing>Bugcuck wins by doing literally absolutely nothing and declares that he must be protected by angels
>>154622650Doesn’t matter. The demon possessed like him will use anything to justify hating me. >>154622674An angry druggy incel hapa went after me and then suddenly went off to a hello kitty girl. I told him to not have sex with her. He did and ended up with a heart to his leg.
>>154622699The carving heart thing sounds made up. Did they provide photos. That's hilarious though. No wonder bugcuck is delusional af
>>154622699Okay.I have been hiding this for a long time.I have a whole ai song about this situation.
>>154622699>>Bugcuck wins by doing literally absolutely nothing and declares that he must be protected by angelsof course he would
>>154622714... what
>>154622729Yes. And it’s damn funny. I had it for years. I only shared it once.
>>154622719>Loonaschizo gets to have kinky sex with a crazy bipolar bitch >Bugcuck jerks off to NTR porn in his mother's basement >Bugcuck considers this a win
>>154622768Sounds about right. I heard he's gay too?
>>154622780Probably.
>>154622641Looty pleeeeeaaaase tell us more about your secret source. Even if it's not a full 100% confirmed spoiler
>>154622855I have friends (cough) who used to be (cough) in the spindlehorse server where they host monthly q&a's. Though I know some people post those in other places if you look hard enough (like reddit). I spoke to one of the former employees from a different server - a very hateful place that just talk shit on Viv. Uhh, I also reached out to someone recently who was able to attend Jessica's panel in the summer con. Just waiting for the green light from them to post what they asked/what she said about Lute so I can talk about it (nothing super spoilery, honestly, just the same old same old but there's something I'm kind of dying to talk about). Oh and Jessica did a streamily signing recently (it's on youtube), confirmed Lute makes it till season 5 and she keeps emphasizing she has trauma.
>>154622855I’m guessing it’s merch shit.It always gets leaked a lot.
>>154622882Helluva Boss stuff has been getting leaked for some fuckass reason. A lot of stuff has leaked this year. You'd think we'd get some leaks from Hazbin by this point.
>>154622881Seems like Lute is going to be the Rudy/Carol Knight of the Eve situation.
>>154622891Season 3 is the lore and mystery season. Of course they will be covering it up as tightly as possible.
>>154622896No idea who that is.
>>154622881So, we have a licence to get excited? Chances of it happening?
>>154622899Fair enough.
>>154622904Unfortunately I have nothing that says explicitly "Lute is Eve" (I mean, personally count Jessica's deleted tweet but that's just me) but everything I have gathered strongly points to that direction. Friends, who are not Eve/Lute theorists by the way, tend to agree, especially when they see everything. I would say her being a clone of Eve could be doable, but with the 8-ep limit and half of the run time of each episode being full of songs, I don't think they'd have the time to do something convoluted like that. Wife swap theory is long-gone, at least since it's already been disproven. Plus, Eve isn't going to be a new character, as it's been mentioned she's been set up. Technically she could be Rosie, I guess.
>>154622903Basically a clue game with two high suspects.
>>154622921The Lilith Eve cards in season 1 make me doubt it.It sucks because it feels like season 3 is supposed to be fun as a viewer.
>>154622932Silence bugcuck. You're literally the only person who brings the card up as evidence. Be gone.
>>154622922Got it. Then maybe! It's not even an identity swap honestly. Just explains her backstory p much.
>>154620238This show is highly satanic because it has DEMONS and HOMERSEXUALS
>>154622939It’s a strong piece of evidence I am unable to argue against without feeling like I’m being dishonest to myself.
>>154622960The NERVE
>>154622961>Headcanon Alert
Bugcuck once again being the raped
>>154622921Okay this is pretty exciting. So, sounds like it's either Lute is Eve or Rosie is Eve and Lute is a kind of clone of her. Interesting, interesting. Why do we have to wait so long for S3 now, dammit
God, whether it is bugcuck or EveLute or serpentseed, all of you are annoying. I hope Vivi somehow manages to disappoint all of you at once.
>>154623074I'd say Rosie could be Eve, but only in a very broad sense. Lilith being Eve is something I've ruled out based on Viv's own comments. Amir has teased that there's another reveal surrounding Rosie, but to my knowledge he's never suggested it's an identity reveal specifically. Given that Viv also confirmed we will find out why she's so powerful, it's concerning her powers, origins, and why she's so unusually strong.Lute is where the evidence is much stronger. Jessica Vosk has quite literally said that Lute isn't "who we think she is," and between that, her other comments over the years, and the narrative itself, I think there's considerably more pointing toward Lute being Eve than Rosie.The only alternative version of the theory I can really see working is if she's some kind of clone, duplicate, or otherwise connected to Eve rather than being Eve herself. Lute already embodies so many of the themes traditionally associated with Eve. Not necessarily the biblical figure verbatim, but the way Viv has spoken about her. Viv has said she always found it messed up that the Adam and Eve story is so often used to place the blame on women, and in the Blu-ray commentary, described Lute as embodying "feminine rage."It's just writing itself, really.
>>154623096Why do you call her Vivi? Nobody else does that.
>>154623096She will probably just have the lore stuff be at max ten minutes for the whole season and the rest will be Charlie and Lucifer Retardation and Fujo bait the RA and RS fans.
>>154623074Lute could’ve been made to address Eve and the sinners by filling in the hole Eve left behind. And instead Lute gotten the worst experience ever.Cause Lute always looks like a Lilith and Eve combination with her back hear thing and the bangs on the front.
>>154623102I just call her Viv for short.
>>154623096Serpentseed = Bugcuck btwGet that stick outta ur ass. Contribute something other than just bitching.
>>154623109Bugcuck what are you on about? You are sounding more incomprehensible than usual.
>>154623109No.
>>154623109>Headcanon Alert
>>154623114What, you guys are contributing something to the thread by repeating the same comedy routine every day?
>>154623112Everyone does. Barely anyone calls her Vivz. Even less call her Vivi or Vivziepop for that matter.
>>154623126Vivziepop is just too long. Shortening it helps the conversation flow better.
>>154623125nta At least the other two shits give a comedy routine. Then there's you,, the guy who bitches about the comedy routine instead of making their own. So go on, talk about something else. We're waiting.
>>154623125I mean at this point there's not much to discuss. Speculation is the only thing we have after the "amazing" filler that was S2. Our hopes and dreams rest on S3 for something interesting to happen.
>>154623125What are you contributing tho. Nobody else is rlly upset. Go on. Talk about something interesting stuff. Or make your own thread idk man
>>154623125Contribute something then.
>>154623100> The only alternative version of the theory I can really see working is if she's some kind of clone, duplicate, or otherwise connected to Eve rather than being Eve herself. Lute already embodies so many of the themes traditionally associated with Eve. I actually see that.Everything about Lute and Exorcists looks like an entire race made to address issues from the fallout of Eve and the sinners.
>>154623137The whole thing sucks ass because these questions were already supposed to be answered. But Viv's retarded ass just couldn't let us have that. At this point the Lilith mystery shit has gone on for far too long that it's overkill. Nothing will be satisfying.
>>154623159I personally would believe it, but then we go back to the Rosie/Lilith/Eve shenanigan nonsense all over again. Convoluted for no real reason. Besides, like the other poster said, all the lore stuff will probably be wrapped up in 10 minutes or some shit.
>>154623160>Charlie: Mom what have you been doing for the part 7 years? >Lilith: Eh. Not much. Just sipping some cocktails on the beach. Trying to get a suntan. Just working on myself.
>>154623163> but then we go back to the Rosie/Lilith/Eve shenanigan nonsense all over again.Who cares? They’re all bad women. Only people with bad priorities care so much on which bad bitch is who. Just because Lilith Eve causes Lilith to look better x it doesn’t mean I wouldn’t want them both dead to stop enabling sinners like Alastor.
>>154623159Foreword just in case: No, they are not bugs. No, their hair does not resemble antennae. No, Lilith Eve isn't a thing.With that out of the way: besides what the other person said, I'm pretty sure they're clones (or whatever) of Lute/Eve. This would also explain Vaggie's whole thing with Charlie - "I'm supposed to protect you. I'm supposed to never fail you. If I can't help you, what's the point of me?" and then the whole foreshadowing when her secret is revealed, with the Speaker's mural, who coincidentally presents Sera's Extermination situation with Lute as the face of it all, and her 'trangressions'. feels kinda obvi
>>154623172>Headcanon Alert
The Lute Eve theory or whatever doesn't even need a whole schizo investigating the shit out of it.>Voice actor posts spoiler about true identity>Deletes it.>"She's not who you think she is."Boom. Done. Am I psycho or would this just be done and over with in any other fandom? This fandom needs to watch more shit other than hashbrown motel.
>>154623186>Am I psycho or would this just be done and over with in any other fandom?It's kinda obvious, but the special needs schizo debates are funny as hell to watch. Watching the Lilith glazers unravel in real time as Viv keeps and keeps confirming that Lilith is a bad mom is p funny.
>>154623192>Erika said Charlie has always wanted Lilith's attention and affection>Charlie and Lucifer confirm she's always been 'good' at ignoring meaningless things and peoplelmao @ the pro-Lilith feminists who were hoping for an evil stepmom clone. Shes just a crappy mom
How do aging and appearance work in this show? Like, do they age like elves or just stay like that forever? How do they get their skins? Why some of them look like humans while others are weirdly hot anthropomorphic creatures?
>>154623176I think Lute is supposed to be the “Other Eve”.Someone fully aware of not being the actual Eve but formed and shaped into fitting into that role and purpose. But with her inspiration of the beldam, she will transform into a much more monster like form upon the reveal.One thing to note about Coraline is that the other mother and the others in general are given humanlike and pleasing forms under magic, but revert back to their true forms when it’s drained away. So maybe Lute’s entire human form takes up most of her powers and she “takes it off” to revert to what she actually is.
>>154623217>Headcanon alert
>>154623212They die, reincarnate/reanimate in Hell as whatever creature but the same age they just died, or close to it, and they stay that way forever. Only Hellborn age.
>>154623186Anon. i have testing led to find a road to lute becoming Eve and other obstacles.There’s something about the tweet that isn’t pointed out is that Lute is Eve (definitely not true). That makes me think the twist of the character is something much more complicated.
>>154623211>b-but muh Kween girlboss Disney-mom Lilith ,,Why are surprised at the notion of LILITH being portrayed as NOT-SO GREAT. You know... Lilith? Rapist and baby eater?
>>154623228Maybe we will get two rapist baby eaters.
>>154623226>Headcanon alert
We should change the Headcanon Alert tag to Bugcuck Alert.
>>154623231No Bugcuck. It's just Lilith. There's no two Liliths. The woman on the heaven beach is Lilith the first woman created in Eden from the same dust as Adam who was complicit in feeding Eve the apple.
>>154623211Yeh, it's not even a twist. They're not exactly being coy about it.
>>154623234True. Works even better. Man you guys are creative AF.
We seem to be arriving at the very interesting theory (not being sarcastic) that Vaggie is (a clone of) Lute (who is Eve). This would actually go some way to explain Vaggie's hangups. I think it makes Chaggie more interesting.
>>154623217>>154623226>BUGKEK ALERT
>>154623244It's gonna be so funny when the Lilith feminist have their headcanon ruined. The meltdowns and Viv is misogynistic allegations will be plentiful.
>>154623250You meant to say Bugcuck and it autocorrected to Bugkek? Just asking cuz it sometimes happens to me.
>>154623249No but literally though. Remember back in season 1 when out of nowhere Carmilla started advising Vaggie to be out for love and not revenge? The fuck did that come from? Because Vaggie wasn't even thinking about the other Exorcists. But look at that: Lute's out for revenge in Season 2. Wooow.Don't get me wrong, I dig the implication(s) and foreshadowing. Not the biggest fan that Vaggie apparently literally is only a narrative device for Lute(Eve).Remember, Vaggie also called Lute "the failure" (yes, it's in the transcript: *the* failure) and Lute spazzed out.
>>154623257They want to worship a bug frog.
>>154623269>Bugcuck is secretly a frog manDEEPEST LORE
>>154623272Yeah it also happens to me when I'm typing on my phone. Don't know why. Don't really use Kek at all.
>>154623253They're already having meltdowns about it. But imagine when it's -actually- shown on screen.
>>154623264Vaggie being aware of Lute is makes me think their whole world is some of illusion only they and Sera is aware about.
The daughter of Lucifer and Lilith being in love with the clone-daughter of Eve is actually quite nice.
>>154623273The saga continues>>154623249Bro no think about it. This could actually explain why their voice actors have said weird shit about them. Jessica said Lute would fuck Vaggie at the end of the day. Stephanie alluded to some history (iirc the question was about them being exes) between them. Everyone understandably assumed they either fucked or were girlfriends, but the show itself doesn't suggest that. Also in a Q&A it was confirmed that Lute sees Vaggi as a traitor and nothing more. I'm starting to believe the 'history' wasn't them fooling around but that Vaggie's her clone.
>>154623264I remember that. Twitter thought Vaggi was referring to herself as the failure, as in: "Live knowing you only do because I (the failure) let you." but the quote is: "No. Live. Live, knowing you only do because I let you. The failure." to which Lute gets visibly triggered.
>>154623289Lute being willing to fuck Vaggie also suggests she has a huge fucking ego just like Adam.
>>154623292Vaggie is destined to be evil.
>>154623294Narcissist through and through. In all seriousness though: I'm not going to lie, I was equally fooled when Jessica Vosk said she headcanons Lute as bi. Alex B said the same thing about Adam though and look at what happened. I don't hate Vaggie/Lute but the show itself doesn't hint at any romance between them whatsoever. It's legitimately just pure hatred. Lute wants to get rid of Vaggie. And look at how she manhandles the tooth gap exorcist. Doesn't look like she likes them. Looks like projection to me.
>>154623292How the fuck did people hear that and think Vaggie was talking about herself rofl
>>154623313The same way people thought Lute's "The only soul who completed you." was her talking about Adam talking about *her*. Yes I'm serious. That was an interpretation for a minute. People are stupid.
We're Kingdom Hearts now with these theories. What will stand in for the Disney part? I hope it's Homestuck.
>>154623313>>154623292My guess is Lute is a failed “Eve” and Abel is there to prove this wrong in the most horrible ways possible.
>>154623318No. Kingdom Hearts would be Eve's soul split in two: the good being Lute and the bad being Roo. Lute is just Eve: that's her history/background.
>>154623321>Bugcuck Alert
>>154623323Every time any tries to think of how Eve becomes Lute, they have to address why Sera would give a single fuck.
Just how short is Lucifer? Is he like, only 1 meter tall?
>>154623340Sera's in on it, you twat.
>>154623348Wasn't it confirmed that he's like 5 ft or something.
>>154623350Sorry, I legitimately meant to type 'you know'. I need a new phone. My autocorrect is all over the fucking place.
>>154620628she's entirely cut characters like crymini apparently. when you can cut a character completely without it affecting the story enough to fully rewrite it, that should be a sign you probably have too many characters. >>154623279honestly i think that's more fandom infiltration by larping radfems, they typically don't see the problem in depicting the first man as inherently abusive by default, because that serves the radfem agenda of 'all men are genetically predisposed to want to hurt women' while all women's faults wouldn't exist if not for a man's actions and they're perpetual victims, which is what they want lilith to be - you see the same thing with the insane 'lute was groomed by adam!' people. because it's feminist to deny a woman's agency and capability for abuse you see.
>>154623353It is just hard to put an estimate since the perspectives and scales of people vary and everyone has different body types and proportions.
>>154623362>lute was groomed by adamGod I hate that take so bad. I hope Viv doesn't make Adam super bad from the get-go, I think at most he was a spoiled kid basically, but if she makes him straight up mean.. I could see it. I just hope Lilith was also pretty mean.
>>154623323I mean with Vaggie being a soul clone of Lute.
>>154623398Why not just clone? Or a lesser copy? Lute seems to be by far the strongest exorcist and that's by a mile.
>>154623371I want Adam and Eve to both be bad with a little bit of good in them too. They are soulmates, let them both be bad together.
>>154623463Assholes who are obnoxious and mean to everyone except eachother ( they are actually very loving and healthy) and their direct crotch spawns( nobody gives a shit about sinners who are distantly related by 360 generations)
>>154623253I never got why Lilith is a feminist icon. Lilith barely even exists and Lilith as the First Woman is literally fables and Midrash aka making shit up.
>>154620417Why tf is Vaggie just a ripoff of the poison ivy from the harley quinn show
Wouldn't Vox have humiliated Alastor if he knew his deal with Rosie and said "Pah! You're leashed to a hag? Bitch, I built my power base from nothing!"
>>154620628Zoophobia is not a good comic for what it's worth, it's a disjointed mess. I think Radioapple is what she wants, not sure how she's going to make it work when she's already written herself into a hole with Alastor being relationships but I'm not invested enough in either Lucifer or Alastor to care how badly it's handled.It's telling that Adam and Lute seem to be the characters with the most outside writing influence at this point in time and they're also the ones with the most compelling plot and characterization. I watched the pilot like everyone else back in the day but wasn't gripped enough to "" "join the fandom""" until the Amazon show released and the angels were introduced.
>>154623927>Alastor being relationshipsAlastor being asexual. Whoops.
>>154623921Honestly, Alastor has already lost all the mystery and hype. Like S2 finale tries but we all know he is a bitch and high school level manipulator. The biggest thing he did was making Adam annoyed and nearly dying to him.
>>154620455sexorcist
>>154623921but this is true though, alastar needed a shortcut to power and vax worked through it
All Adamfags should be grateful you fall outside of the Radioapple-Radiostatic-Charlastor triangle of nonsense.
I started season 2 and why does charlie feel like a completely different character? she is a bitch to everyone and I already feel bad for Angelalso, why does charlie care about the reputation of the hotel and herself when it was in the dumster for a long time and the hotel rather than being a vanity project was for helping sinners? it feels like she wants to be praised and loved than actually helping sinners. she doesn't even know some of the residents who willingly came to the hotel for redemption
>>154620455> “Welcome. State your credentials for being the new second-in-command.” (She says nothing. She looks at her rival candidate before smashing her head against the table, before proceeding to pick her up and gouging her eyes out. She then drops her body and takes her seat the tablet.)
>>154620455Her hair looks like a cloud.
>>154624049That’s a mean thing for her to do to Vaggie.
A Phantom of the Paradise AU with Adam as Winslow, Lute-Eve as Phoenix and Lucifer as Swan would go so fucking hard. Vox or Angel Dust as Beef, why not.
>>154624000We are eternally happy. We just suffer from Flowertunes and GuitarSpear beef which might be irrelevant in the coming future.
>>154624000nah adamsapple gets dragged into that shit too, which is why guitarprincess is the superior adam/morningstar ship because nobody's touching that in mainstream fandom shipping discussion.
>>154624135Nah. It could actually get far worse.
>>154624208How?
>>154624219Replica vs Original dramas
>>154624176GuitarQueen has an interesting concept but zero on show interactions. Guitarprincess is fun because the two play really well of eachother. Adamsapple is OOC crap that exists because some hate Alastor so they replace him with Adam despite both RA and Adamsapple making zero sense with the shows canon.
>>154624025>I started season 2 and why does charlie feel like a completely different character? she is a bitch to everyone and I already feel bad for AngeShe's a woman
>>154624253Bruh what the fuck are you talking about?
>>154624262You sexist pig
>>154624270Cut. The line was " That's princess of hell to you, pig. "
>>154620455it's interesting and frustrating that adam gets made out to be the bigger evil in this scene by fans when all he really does is hold vaggi back - LUTE is the one who drags this girl off by the hair and LUTE is the only who smacks her around to begin with, which i don't think adam is even present for. making lute out to be adam's helpless stockholm syndrome having victim (when stockholm syndrome isn't even a real thing, or at least not the pop-culture understanding) cheapens these scenes so much.
>>154624620Adam doesn’t know how bad it really is
Some princes don't become kingseven at the best of times i'm out of my miiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiind
>>154624754On the contrary Adam is fully aware and enabled it just like he did when she was brutalizing Vaggie. He is both more physically powerful than her and higher in the chain of command and could stop it any time he wanted. Calling one worse than the other is an exercise in futility
>>154625061Adam’s background is a guy Heaven hired to handle the military for a unique angel race and his only example of what they’re supposed to be is Lute. But a huge part about it is that this is the strawman show that has to do everything to make Adam and Lute look bad for being against the literal daughter of Lucifer and her lame fallen angel gf.
Lilith Eve honestly makes Lute a lot freakier for me. Because the complex isn’t about secret identities. It’s crazy chicks trying to take them. Lilith is the first woman Eve was supposed to replace. So she went back and did it all the way. And because Lute is the failed replacement of Eve, she tries to do the same thing.
Didn't Viv say kids don't go to Hell? Plus considering how Hell makes Sinners bodies ironic to their sins, doesn't that mean that child looking Sinner is likely a sinner that targets children?
>>154625061generally i'd agree but this scene in particular seems to draw out the most annoying 'aww poor sweet baby lute, FORCED to do this by adam, she doesn't know any better or is too scared of adam to refuse!' types.
>>154625244niffty and baxter are both short without targeting children, i think vaggi just wasn't used to seeing someone that same size out on the streets (probably better at finding places to hide) and it pinged a pity instinct she didn't know she had.
>>154625244Viv statements are a grain of salt a lot of the time.
>>154625225>Bugcuck Alert
>>154625279At least Vaggie got what she deserved. She ended up being basically the indentured servant of Charlie, doing everything in the hotel as Charlie mopes around, gets angry at Vox and keeps calling for Mommy Lilith so she doesn't kill herself.Man Season 2 ruined Charlie (among other characters)
>>154625355>Day is never finished,>Master got me working,>Someday Master set me free!
>>154625383>Charlie the rich white woman has Vaggie the Latino displaced from her original home do all the cleaning work in the hotel.What Viv mean by this?
>>154625383What if this was Lute’s life for awhile and her reward was getting raped.
>>154625442Bugcuck what the fuck are you talking about?
>>154625457Sinners doing what they do best with places like the Hazbin Hotel.Destroy them and the people running them.
>>154625489Bugcuck were raped as a child? I'm genuinely questioning what the fuck is wrong with your brain because that is the only explanation.
>>154625532Hell literally has an rapist as a celebrity. Did you forget what sinners are?
>>154625249Which is a stupid take but also Adam's literally right there holding Vaggie back and grinning evilly while Lute drags the toothgap exorcist off for beatings. He watched her fuck up Vaggie too. Yes, he knows, no he's not going to stop her doing that even though he totally can, no he's not the soft boy who didn't know what was going on in the army. The scene is used just as often by Lute haters who portray him as a poor patsy who didn't know what was happening but no, he fully endorses Lute's cruelty. They are both bad.
>>154625440You tell me.
>>154625383>>154625440>>154626054I see the pattern saar
>>154625835Yup that's kinda the point. They're supposed to be kinda scummy to everyone not related to them.
>>154626090Yes Masta. I work hard for you Masta.
>>154626255Exactly. In both cases it's not a case of Adam forcing Lute to do things and it's not a case of Adam not being aware of what Lute gets up to. It's a case of Adam watching Lute do cruel shit of her own accord, deeming it to be based and awesome and not stopping her because he approves of it. If he disapproved of it he could easily stop her because he is more powerful and holds more authority.
>>154626255Those scenes specifically were given to illustrate that not only is Lute abusive to the girls, that she's not under Adam's thumb, but that also Adam fully knows what's going on, and endorses the behavior. How people don't understand that is beyond me. Had people genuinely argue in good faith that because he is not shown to be the one actively beating the girls, he's not that bad. Or that he didn't know what she was doing. People bend over backwards I tell you.
>>154626316Exactly.
I've seen people argue straight up that Adam is not abusive to the Exorcists lol that it's just standard military training, therefore it's not abuse.
>>154624863ARE YOU SMELLING THAT SHIT?EAU DE RESISTANCE
As much as I like to dunk on Adam (because he looks like a scraggly trailer park Canadian iykyk) he's actually pretty based. Chaggie is hot as fuck.
>>154626427Insanity is everywhere now.
>>154626598>Lute, Abel, smokes, let's go
I get that Lucifer is pathetic and infuriating, but Lilith leaving him after they did all that, and were together for apparently several years, it's pretty fucked up. Not that I don't understand her, she's probably fed up with his ass. But still, pretty fucked up. He was her golden ticket.
>>154626640They said Chaggie. Adam is for his rib wife
>>154626676I'm a fucking retard. Go ahead and shame me I can't fucking READ.
>>154626639This guy gets it.
>>154626687-throws tomatoes-
Am I the only one that thinks Adam and Lilith didn't eat the fruit? Yes in texts and general mythology, they obviously eat it. But I mean in Hazbin. Not only does Adam say he never made a mistake in his life, but Lilith leaves of her own free will because she doesn't like Adam, or he abused her, whatever you go by it doesn't matter, she still left. Eve is the only one that's framed as the key, and the only ones shown being given the apple in the first place. I thought it was pretty clear that it was only her that was given the apple? Am I stupid? Thanks, chat.
The whole Exorcists being an afterthought doesn't help either.Are they artificial creations? Heavenborn? Winners? Did they exist before the 7-year period? How many of them are there when even the best of them only kill 250+ or so Sinners?Or really, why bother with them at all? I am pretty sure Adam going all laser beams would be more effective than a decent chunk of them combined. If Adam isn't powerful enough, why can't Sera or some other presumably existing powerful Angel do it by themselves?Like get Jewish Metatron to this shit. You already have Lilith in the story. Dude can flatten the Ring of Pride by a single wing.>Metatron, the Prince of the Presence, said to me : >(1) After all these things the Holy One, blessed be He, put His hand upon me and blessed me with 5360 blessings. >(2) And I was raised and enlarged to the size of the length and width of the world. >(3) And He caused 72 wings to grow on me, 36 on each side. And each wing was as the whole world. >(4) And He fixed on me 365 eyes : each eye was as the great luminary. >(5) And He left no kind of splendour, brilliance, radiance, beauty in (of) all the lights of the universe that He did not fix on me.
>>154626767They are heavenborn. This was confirmed in a Q&A. Plus, Viv confirmed they are not descended from Adam.
>>154626767Or go get Samael, the one Angel perfect to replace Adam.>Samael is also depicted as the angel of death and one of the seven archangels, the ruler over the Fifth Heaven and commander of two million angels such as the chief of all the destroying angels.>According to the apocryphal Gedulat Moshe (The Apocalypse of Moses, "The Ascension of Moses" in The Legends of the Jews by Louis Ginzberg) Samael is also mentioned as being in 7th Heaven:>In the last heaven Moses saw two angels, each five hundred parasangs in height, forged out of chains of black fire and red fire, the angels Af, "Anger", and Hemah, "Wrath", whom God created at the beginning of the world, to execute His will. Moses was disquieted when he looked upon them, but Metatron embraced him, and said, "Moses, Moses, thou favorite of God, fear not, and be not terrified," and Moses became calm. There was another angel in the seventh heaven, different in appearance from all the others, and of frightful mien. His height was so great, it would have taken five hundred years to cover a distance equal to it, and from the crown of his head to the soles of his feet he was studded with glaring eyes. "This one," said Metatron, addressing Moses, "is Samael, who takes the soul away from man." "Whither goes he now?" asked Moses, and Metatron replied, "To fetch the soul of Job the pious." Thereupon Moses prayed to God in these words, "O may it be Thy will, my God and the God of my fathers, not to let me fall into the hands of this angel."[26]
>>154626829>>154626767No
>>154626767my assumption is that lilith negotiated heaven down from dropping an orbital beam or sending adam to nuke fucking everything (sidenote, who gave adam those powers?) to just the exorcist forces under adam's supervision, and only with melee weapons so that the sinners had a sporting chance to escape, and not allowed to destroy structures in pursuit of sinners. this seems like a lot, but it's in exchange for lilith herself being removed from hell and unable to lead them. this was potentially framed around punishing lucifer further with the loss of his wife.if we go with a 'lilith is kinda evil and still planning on overthrowing heaven' read, that would naturally lead to a survival of the fittest type culling where only the strongest and most cunning and therefore most useful sinners to her would survive each extermination, while the weaklings either submit to those sinners for protection, thereby increasing their power even more, or die.
>>154626890Should have thought before going all in on Heaven and Hell, Adam and Eve, with Lucifer and fricking Lilith, a women that doesn't exists in the Bible at all. Furthermore, putting characters like Peter, actual historical characters.
I think something crucial that people tend to miss is that sinners are simply the Damned souls of Adam and Eve's descendants... Why the fuck would Lucifer and Lilith give two shits about Adam and Eve's kids, even if they ended up in hell. Everyone's convinced that, at least Lilith, loves her people... Those aren't her people though. It makes sense that she doesn't give two shits about them. The whole "only strongest sinners survive" reading makes a lot of sense. I don't know why Charlie keeps calling them her people. They're not her people. She's a Hellborn. The hellborn should be her people. But you know, who gives a fuck about the imps and shit ig
>>154626970Honestly, if anything, I'd expect her to go even more harsh on the descendants of Adam and Eve. That's why I don't have issue imagining that Lilith would exploit the sinners just as Vox does. I hope they do something like that. Just for Charlie to get that wake up call that both of her parents suck
>>154626818Why can't she add all the shit she said outside the show, to the show? People can't be bothered to watch every QA or talk.>>154626829we don't even have Michael right now so I wouldn't get my hopes up. I accepted that we will get an incompetent Heaven.
Apparently he also voices Hatchet, will he voice anymore characters?
>>154626970I think the Goetia specifically are her and Lucifer's people. That's why they're on top. The lesser Hellborn, who the fuck cares.
>>154626970>>154626995Honestly yeah that makes sense. Lilith should genuinely feel nothing but disgust towards sinners. She ain't related to them unlike Adam and Eve so she obviously wouldn't give a shit about them. Maybe as servants and paws to fuel her ego but that's it.
>>154627064Yup.
>>154627013They said in another Q&A that we're not going to get any more biblical characters. Everyone that they want to explore has been set up already. The elders, they might not even be Michael, Gabriel, etc. They might just be some randos. Viv has a weird hesitance when it comes to biblical characters, like she doesn't want to do too much with them outside of what's already been done. I kind of suspect that's why Adam had to die and why he was revealed as straight. Anything else is just blasphemy or something.
where seth where cain
>>154627101Given that Adam is the head of the army, and Viv uses Mormonism as inspiration, which she did confirm in that one a24 interview, I would say that Adam IS the Michael in this universe. Maybe not literally but his stand-in.
I am still betting that Lilith just sold out everyone on Hell for Heaven and Adam's dick. (They are literally made for each other)
It'd be funny if perfect rebellious dreamers Lilith and Lucifer break up and dysfunctional ass Adam and Eve always loved each other.
>>154627109We'll get them next season or in season 4, where they'll be voiced by Green Day and shit. She alluded to this in an interview with Joe Vulpis. They'll just spawn in the show much like Abel did. I don't really think they'll be terribly important outside of Eden flashbacks and context. I bet they're just chilling or something.
>>154627120I think that's exactly what they're going for. Especially with Lute presumably being Eve and how crazy she is about Adam versus Lilith who doesn't even answer Lucifer's phone calls.
>>154627064We need that one Xavier Renegade Angel scene but Lilith is the scientist Adam is Xavier and the Wiggers are imps.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=39brM5tYjmU&pp=iggUQAFKEEpxZW96Mm9PWHNIR016NTI%3D
>>154627116Maybe
>>154627169If Lute is Eve this artist is probably going to drop Guitarqueen
>>154627191Why do you say that? I know they hate that theory but if anything I would assume they would ship Lilith and Adam more.
>>154627120Well here the thing Adam and Eve(Lute) match eachothers energy. Both of them are complete obnoxious assholes who have no issues with culling their failed descendants but despite that they still love and cherish eachother. Lilith obviously wanted more in life and was probably severely disappointed the moment Lucifer gave up after getting his ass spanked by the Elders. He hyped himself to hard and couldn't live up to it so she eventually fucked off.
>>154623186100% this. It's really not hard. Doesn't require in-depth research or investigation. They already gave it away, though by accident but still. Literally in any other fandom this would be a given.
>>154627169I ship it, I really do. I was very happy when I saw Lilith in Heaven
Lilith could fix Adam
>>154627139And now we know that it wasn't that she couldn't answer the phone calls. She made the deal, she wanted to be up there for whatever reason, and she could have answered or texted back, but she never did. LOL the season isn't even out yet, and it's already been indirectly cemented several places, from Viv, Erica, the show itself, etc. that Lilith is just a crap Mom. She's basically like Charlie. If she was more serious. I feel like similar to Adam, she probably never matured too much? She just got stuck in her ways.
>>154627224Nah she'd make him worse by having him subconsciously adopt her tendencies.
>>154627224No she literally couldn't. He can't fix her either. They're both pieces of shit. They deserve each other.
>>154627199When did they say that? I know Guitarspear is their OTP and they see Guitarqueen more like friends with benefits between Adam losing Eve and meeting Lute. Lute being Eve changes the dynamic entirely
>>154627251They did say that they hate the Lute being Eve theory. I don't remember when unfortunately, but it was just a regular text post on their Twitter. I'm sure if you Google search it it'll pull up but yeah, they love Adam and Lute, but they hate the idea of Lute being Eve
>>154627240This pairing just works so god damn well.
>>154627240They have the same tendencies. The fuck are you talking about.
To this day i don't understand how this shit works.Heaven magic is supposed to be so strong that Lucifer can't punch sinners right in front of him but his own energy can not only reach heaven, it can break through a force shield specifically made to protect heaven.Does that mean that at any time Lucifer could have just broke into heaven if he wanted? Does this mean that he can harm sinners as long as its with energy beams? What the fuck is this.
>>154627261I wonder if the reveal happens will they drop GuitarSpear and just ship GuitarQueen or will they accept the new GuitarRib ( fusion of GuitarSpear and Flowertunes). Maybe also the third option where Adam gets two wifes.
>>154627202i think the only thing that keeps me from believing in 'lilith is just a shitty wife who got bored of lucifer' and other theories is that adam, at no point, ever throws lilith coming back to heaven in lucifer or charlie's faces. he's not even shown struggling to keep a secret back, which is notable given he can't help but reveal the exterminations in the court scene. guy can't keep a secret, but doesn't have any trouble not rubbing it in either lucifer or charlie's faces that lilith came crawling back to him?this to me either signifies that he genuinely sympathises with lilith's reason to return to heaven (unlikely unless she fed him one hell of a sob story), or that he believes both lucifer and charlie know that lilith is in heaven as well as why so there's no point bragging about it. which i guess exposes that adam had more faith in lilith's love for her family (in that she'd want them to know what she was doing so they wouldn't worry) than she actually deserved. which is pretty funny nevermind i'm on board.
>>154627278They probably share a lot but whatever tendencies Lilith has that he doesn't already possess would be added on later after being with her for a period of time.
>>154627261>>154627297Found it, they said it about 9 months ago and said they don't really understand it and would prefer it didn't happen but it would be fine if it did. Execution will be everything.
>>154627296No? Why are you making it so complicated. I swear this fandom is too retarded for this shit. He cannot directly harm sinners. It's not that he doesn't want to, he literally cannot. That doesn't mean his power is non-existent. That's why Vox uses him as the battery. No, Lucifer can't fucking fire beams at sinners because that would go against punishment. Fucking Christ. It's not hard.
What would change if Charlie was Lilith and Adam’s daughter instead?
>>154627309I don't think he gives a shit about Lilith and I don't even think he knows she's there. This is my schizo theory but.. I don't think the deal was with him. I think the deal was with Sera, or something. Adam dying seems to have been a clause or something that was broken. When Viv was asked if Abel would inherit the deal, she went on a tangent about how deals are made. She tends to do that if she's trying out to spoil something. But then again I could be reaching. Who knows. Him not bragging about Lilith being up there seemed way too out of character for someone like Adam.
>>154627330Really? My bad. I could have sworn they said that they dislike the theory altogether. I believe the theory, full-on, but the execution will definitely be lacking.
>>154627340It's hard because Heaven made sure he can't harm sinners but didn't do that for Angels and for some reason, do it through siphoning him bypasses that entirely. Like by all accounts if Lucifer made grenades with his energy and chucked it against Sinners, it would work.
I'm looking forward to all the gory symbolic fanart of Lute curled up in Adam's open chest cavity with bloody ribs fanning across her like bars on a cage when the reveal happens.
>>154627380No. He directly cannot harm sinners.
>>154627346She would have been slightly smarter.
>>154627393I'm personally looking forward to the tantrums Abel/Lute shippers will throw
I just don't care what happens.
>>154627407These will be legendary. They're on edge enough as it is.
>>154627417Ok.
>>154627346She would be ugly as a toad.
>>154627394But if you use his energy in a gun, it can harm sinners.
>>154627407Pretty sure they will not be that vocal after the sheer humiliation of their ship becoming the straight mommy incest pairing. It will probably become popular post reveal with TCOAAL fans so it won't be fully dead.
>>154627422They threw a hissy fit when Looty shared some of posts Viv liked where he calls her mom. It was a scene from the Simpsons with Millhouse and his dad. and another where Adam, Abel and are being a family. It was funny
>>154627428Yes. Anyone else can. He directly, he himself cannot harm sinners. Fucking hell come on. You can't be this dense. He can't pull the trigger.
>>154627346Considering her stick figure and the complexion she got from her dad? Adam/Lilith Charlie would be way taller, way more curvy, and look like a normal human with horns.
>>154627427She'd probably look like a normal attractive woman. She might be prettier for all we know. Maybe also taller.
>>154627340The point is that if he can't harm sinner why did his energy reach heaven, learn to fucking read you stupid retarded nigger bastard i will skin you alive, it makes no sense that Lucifer has any restrictions but HIS energy doesn't don't talk to me with that skin tone fuck you
>>154627444Praying for this.
>>154627445It's because they're afraid they'll be called incest shippers. I even like the ship in a Schrodinger's cat kind of way on the small chance she's not Eve. They think it'll be a value judgment on them.
>>154627460Calling someone retarded for understanding the very simple fact that Lucifer can't harm sinners. It's like you want to be retarded holy shit. Go back to school fuckass moron.
People not understanding that Lucifer can't harm sinners will always be wild to me. It's not rocket science.
>>154627340Why are you so angry? Did someone piss in your cereal?
>>154627477I feel the same way if she's not Eve but also it's a bit low-key weird they think Lute would go for her crush's son. Shit's a bit creepy. I can see why people don't fuck with it. She's literally losing her mind because the object of her obsession is dead. But sure she'll fuck his son lol
>>154627504>>154627485I think you are the retard mate. People get that. People just find it stupid that you can bypass it in an incredibly simple way.
Imagine if Sinner Adam becomes real and he straight up mogs Lucifer, knowing that he can’t kill him
>>154627522Nah a real Adam fan talks shit on Lute and vice versa
>>154627522True
>>154627535Only if they're talking shit on Adam at the same time
>>154627535Only larpers do that
>>154627531Nah people don't apparently.>So if Lucifer puts his power in a gun can he fire the gun??11!!Good God. These are the same people that don't get how he could hurt Adam despite literally saying he can't harm *sinners*. There's nothing to get around.
>>154627554No. The larpers only talk good of Adam and Lute. The real fans know what they did and still like them anyway. Suck it.
>>154627557>Good God. These are the same people that don't get how he could hurt Adam despite literally saying he can't harm *sinners*. There's nothing to get around.You are still projecting your retardation.People don't get it because if you are putting a "You can't harm Sinners" restriction on Lucifer. Why the fuck wouldn't you also put "You can't harm Angels" restriction too?
>>154627562The meme is about people who make exuses for one while vilifying the other. If you think they're both bad it's not about you
>>154627557To be fair, this fandom needs certain things spoon fed to them. Remember how many thought Satan was telling the truth about ruling hell before Lucifer came. Or how they thought Moxxie killed his own mom even though it was established in the scene beforehand she was already dead.The more clear something is the less they get it. I've started noticing that.
>>154627580>"You can't harm Angels" restriction too?Why would they do this. Why does that even cross your mind. The whole point of his punishment is about sinners. About seeing the consequences of what he did by giving the fruit. Jesus.
>>154627590I see. I'm just stupid. I accept my retardation
>>154627614I'm also pretty sure Lucifer can't really leave hell. Wasn't that implied when he said he couldn't go up with Charlie? So they wouldn't even need to put that restriction anyway. He was able to intervene during the exterminations because they broke that specific agreement. But he could clock the Angels if they trespass into his realm. I think people want to make it this convoluted thing because they're still expecting some Dante's Inferno or some shit. It's not that deep.I'm more surprised at the people who think that he was holding himself back from hurting Vox, when it's obvious that he physically could not.
>>154627602That's true. I know some think that think that because the Exterminations have only been going on for 7 years, that The Exorcists soldiers must literally be 7 years old. You can't take chances with a fandom like this.
>>154627562You're larping if you're talking how one is actually secretly good and the other is bad and manipulating. True fans understand both are bad people and don't offer special treatment to just one.
>>154627678When did I say one is manipulating the other? I mean that they're both bad in their own right. Only larpers think that they're misunderstood and they're actually the good guys.
>>154627678They literally said that.
>>154627614...why wouldn't you restrict one of the most powerful beings in Creation that basically betrayed you from hurting your guys?Are you serious?
>>154627694>>154627706Yes but I was explaining it more eloquently.
>>154627013>Why can't she add all the shit she said outside the show, to the show? People can't be bothered to watch every QA or talk.Because she's not a good writer. Half of the shit you have to either look at her Twitter or be in the patreon server for. Like how there are no children sinners. Or how the cannibals are all sinners. Or how only sinners can make soul deals. At best, those things will be mentioned for a second And then they'll never talk about it again. Assuming they ever acknowledge them in the first place.
>>154627765Because he's confined in hell. He can't go up in heaven. And Lucifer may be powerful, but he's not more powerful than the elders or Sera.
>>154627784Or her old drawing streams.
Lol why do people pretend that Adam had a chance against Lucifer. He's a former human given an honorary archangel status and title. He ain't shit. All Lucifer has to do is just flick his wrist. He was having fun. And do people seriously still think that Lucifer is the most powerful being in all of Heaven? He was clearly the youngest in the storybook. That gives you an idea on how powerful the rest of the elders and speaker and Sera are. They don't have to worry about Lucifer LOL
>>154627819Sam hopped also confirmed that Sera is ridiculously powerful, one of the most powerful beings ever. But people still think Lucifer is at the tippy top. He's beneath her in status and prowess. And she's beneath Speaker.
>>154627838***Haft
>>15462724010/10 pairing, should be canon
>>154627838I mean yeah. He accepted his punishment like a dog because he knew if he caused serious trouble the Elders would have kicked his ass so hard he would have ended up as a cripple.
>>154627801Yeah those too. Though I am tired of people citing Faustisse for all the Lilith shit. Clearly it's not canon anymore. And I think Viv herself said that all those streams and stuff aren't current canon.
>>154627819>>154627838You guys do know that every hype and cool factor of Lucifer and Sera went away with Season 2?
>>154627876Would be interesting for an AU. Maybe Lilith stays in the Garden with Adam but they still get tricked into eating the apple and get kicked out. Could actually use the original lie that the apple would make their greater than God ( or in this case the angels).
>>154627904Exactly. People like to pretend or they genuinely think Lucifer can actually do something against heaven lmao he's the runt of the litter. No like actually, they illustrate that in the storybook. Look at all the tall Lucifer clones. He can't do shit. They wouldn't need to impose some restriction on hurting angels, Even if that was the point of his punishment. I don't know, people are either not watching this show or they're conflating all this shit. I don't know how their mind goes from 'oh Lucifer can't hurt sinners' to 'Well why wouldn't they Also place a restriction on him hurting angels'The fuck does one have to do with the other
>>154627309And that’s the thing. You’re right, Adam can’t keep a secret. He’d absolutely be throwing it in Lucifer and Charlie’s faces. Especially if they were fucking.Also note how though he never badmouths Lilith outright, he only goes berserk at the mention of Eve.So the question remains: what did Adam get out of this deal? I’m convinced it was giving Lute (Eve) a passage into heaven.I’m convinced that beach is Eden and that’s where Lute!Eve was residing until the death was struck, and she let Lilith take her place there.So yeah, there was a swap between Lilith and Eve, just not in the way many people think.
>>154627838>Sam hopped also confirmed that Sera is ridiculously powerful, one of the most powerful beings ever.If only it was also like that in the show. They can confirm all they like but Sera might as well be Abel 2.0 in Season 2
>>154627915According to?
>>154627912Yeah. It's understandable that most stream stuff is now non canon but she really should do a better job of explaining and giving info in the show.
In my headcanon the "cannot harm sinners" isnt so much the physical inability to do so but the threat of consequences from heaven if he does so (like maybe the whole heaven not exterminating hellborns stipulation e.g. charlie goes kaput if the treaty term is violated)
>>154627956No, she's not? Granted if you're talking about how they act, sure. But it doesn't change the fact that she is extremely powerful. That's hard canon. The fact that you think that just because she doesn't act how you think she should act with someone who has that power does not mean that she's literally not powerful. She is.
>>154627962Oh yeah 100%. Half of the stuff people aren't aware of come from the Q&As and shit. Lucifer having made the Goetia demons is old information. He also made the sins in this universe.
>>154627976Yeah, sure. Show me doing something, anything except for being dramatic and stupid. I put it right next to "Charlie is actually powerful" fags
>>154627975Or maybe instead of a physical inability all the damage he tries to do to a sinner is feedbacked onto him. He'd be basically hurting himself and if he goes overboard he can accidentally kill himself.
To be fair, like the other person said, this fandom has to be spoon-fed information. Some people still think that a whole rebellion war took place in this universe.Also, people saying that Lucifer acts completely different than he did in season 1 aren't paying attention. He didn't get nerfed or anything. Reminds me of the people who say that Adam was retconned to appear worse in season 2 than he did in season 1.
>>154627999Okay, at that point, that's literally just you ignoring canon. I don't really care to argue how you think she should have or should not have acted. I actually agree with you, I think Sera should be a lot smarter and up and up on this realm. She runs. It doesn't fucking matter though, she's literally the most powerful under the speaker. Deal with it I guess man, that's a you problem.
This time next year is probably when we're going to get season 3. I can't wait this fucking long man.
>>154628005That sounds incredibly convoluted and stupid and subject to all sorts of edge cases, loopholes and what ifs
>>154627838Sure buddy. I remember when there was no God in Hazbinverse and now we have Speaker of God. Anything "confirmed" outside the show might as well be worthless. The only thing Sera and Speaker of God good at is being goon material.
>>154628062It's already pretty straightforward as it is. I don't know why people want to make it more convoluted. Lucifer literally states his restriction. But people still don't understand it for some reason
>>154628072Nobody ever said God wasn't in this universe. Clearly he is. Viv. Herself said that she's just not comfortable depicting him as a character. That's why we're getting the speaker, because she's the closest thing. Will get to interact with God in this show period.I have no idea where people got the whole, God doesn't exist in the Hellaverse from. Viv never said that.
>>154628094I'm sorry. I can't type. My phone is shit. I'll take the L for that.
>>154627947>I’m convinced it was giving Lute (Eve) a passage into heaven.This actually makes sense. But no, pretty sure Eden is not in heaven. That specifically makes zero sense.
>>154628196Then the question is how can Lilith offer that as her part of the deal?
>>154628221She's Lilith. Arguably the first human sinner. The Queen of Hell. What, you think she's powerless? You don't think she can make that happen? If Eve was meant to go down to hell, as per her taking the apple constitutes, Lilith can easily bar anyone from entering her realm. Not rocket science dude.
>>154628239Blocking someone from Hell isn't the same as giving them access to Heaven?
My bugcuck senses are tingling.
>>154628239Not only that but in a patreon call thing, Viv confirmed that Lilith is a fallen angel. This was around 2 years ago. That probably has something to do with her prowess. She could absolutely make that deal. I mean even without her being a fallen angel. She's literally the queen of hell, the mother of demons. Not hard to imagine she can do something as simple as make Eve enter Heaven.
I think Eve-Lute got her ticket to Heaven from Rosie and/or Roo personally.
>>154628255Ok. She can still probably make it happen. Not only that, but Sera and Speaker are most likely in on it as well. Again. Not rocket science.
>>154628263Where is he?
>>154628288I do too.
>>154628299This one I think>>154628255$2 says he's going to start arguing about how this makes no sense, because Lilith on her own isn't powerful or doesn't have the motivation to do this, whereas Lilith Eve (Eve being disguised as Lilith) would have all the reason to make wicked deals or some shit. Calling that now. He hates the idea of the Lilith and heaven being the real Lilith lol I don't think he's a Lilith glazer, but very similarly to the Lilith glazers, everything bad that Lilith does on screen is because she's Eve, Lilith's evil doppelganger.
>>154628288If Rosie is in fact Roo, then that one supposed unverified spoiler, where Rosie/Roo is connected to Eve (in this case Lute) makes sense if she was responsible or helped getting her into heaven.In Rosie's audition sheet, it says that she's not a person you want to owe a favor too. Pretty sure she has more than just Alastor under her thumb. I also say that because Amir himself expressed interest in Lute's backstory. When, in the past, he has said that he doesn't concern himself with other characters unless they are involved somehow with Alastor. Like, he deliberately will not read the entire script, just his parts. Something about how he wants to enjoy it like the rest of the audience, therefore, he doesn't spoil himself. So him expressing interest in Lute like that is kind of telling
>>154628292Man Sera defenders are gonna have a hard time if she knows Lute is Eve and she didn't focus on calming down the crazy bitch after Adam died. Like cmon lady you literally made her from the guy's rib and they lived together for who knows how long loving eachother. You gotta expect her to start stirring shit if you don't deal with her.
>>154628356I love Sera and I love the Eve Lute theory. It's kind of obvious that she knows? The way they talk, it implies they've already spoken about this very topic before. I'm pretty sure she's the one that lets Lute remain in heaven in the first place. I don't know why people think Lute would have the means or the brains to sneak yourself on there on her own. Sera treats her like a problem child who messed up once and hasn't been able to make it up since.I love Sera, but she is shit at her job
>>154628325Eh he kinda wants Eve to be worse of the two but also treats Lilith like a villain. It's mostly because he's somewhat of a misogynist combined with his weird ass religious beliefs.
>>154628325Nah I'm not him? I just don't think Lilith gave Eve/Lute passage to Heaven. I think it was probably Rosie/Roo instead. Not sure what gave you bugcuck vibes about that seeing as it's not refuting the Eve-Lute theory and isn't total schizophrenia about bugs?
>>154628384That are not even accurate religious beliefs. His biblical lore is all over the fucking place. I say that as someone who is raised in a cult.
>>154628391>isn't total schizophrenia about bugs?This made me laugh. Thank you. I snorted out coffee from my nose when I read this.
>>154628399True. There's a reason I call him a Christian Larper.
>>154628325You just went on a huge tangent about him unprompted
>>154628427I have PTSD from the guy. I'm on edge man. Send help.
>>154628288I like the idea that Roo is behind the Adam hallucinations.
>>154628440Stop accusing random unrelated posts with none of his telltale signs of being him; that will help.
>>154628448On a card, the title is Adam's apparition. Alex also described his hallucination a bit weirdly in a post-season 2 interview, like he was more of a ghost than a complete hallucination? So, sinner Adam may be real or.. Roo is puppeting his soul. I dig it.
I hope Lilith is actually worse than Adam. Probably not. But it'd be funny.
>>154628490I mean, Erica said that all Charlie has ever wanted was her mom's attention and.. affection I think? Or her approval. Something like that. That's pretty fucking telling. Viv also liked a post stating that they hope Lilith is problematic. I don't think she'll be Mother Gothel levels of crazy, or Lady Tremaine maybe. But maybe like that one Grandma from Encanto. Or the mom from Brave idk
Calling it now, Roo is Charlie's mom. She raped Lucifer. Groomed him, whatever. That's why Lilith stays away from Charlie and was always distant from her. She wants none of that shit lmao
What is it about Hazbin Hotel that allows it to keep community and discussion going rather than having it fade out shortly after a season ends, like so many other shows?
>>154628564We are probably mentally ill.
>>154628562I'm going to be the bigger schizo and say that.... Lilith and Lucifer are conspiracy. I don't think they were ever even together like that. Also, I don't know, Lucifer definitely strikes me as a kind of idiot that would try to get with the thing that heaven/ his kind have been fighting for eons, maybe because she fed him some bullshit about being misunderstood.
>>154628490Lilith developed femcel rage after seeing Adam happy with another woman.
>>154628574That's it. Also, be the biggest hater ever, the lore is a bit brain tickling. It's nice to see something not doing the same shit everyone else has been doing, even if it's executed poorly.
>>154628564This is one of those fandoms that latches deeper into its fans than most. It's one of those super ultra crack cocaine cancer fandoms along the lines of Homestuck, Undertale and the miniature horses.
>>154628594Nah. She didn't want Adam's unwashed crusty ass.
>>154628585I don't think so either? Lilith doesn't strike me as the kind who likes baby faced pussies. At best, she literally just used Lucifer.
>>154628600This is like the only western 2d thing that's not doing either beanmouth or knockoff Avatar at the moment.
>>154628620Sure thing Lucifer. You're a trustworthy source.
>>154628636What exactly are you basing this on?
>>154628391> I just don't think Lilith gave Eve/Lute passage to Heaven. I think it was probably Rosie/Roo instead.Why do people find me insane when I say that the only one that could bring Eve to heaven and have her become Lute is Sera and I don’t know why Sera would even care about her. At all.
People are fucking STARVING for this kind of vaguely Disney/Warner Bros/pony esque animation and Hellaverse is the only thing that's delivering.
>>154628685>the only one that could bring Eve to heaven and have her become Lute is SeraNegatory. It can be... Speaker, God, Good, Roo, the elders who are above Sera, Adam being an annoying little shit and asking her to do it. Take your pick.>I don’t know why Sera would even care about her.She doesn't. That's the point. By your logic, why the fuck does she care about Adam. He's a fuck up. On the other hand... Why would she not care about her creation? Better to have Eve up here where she is supervised, rather than down there causing trouble. Better to have the first sinner in check then down in hell potentially teaming up with Lilith and Lucifer.
>>154628715Not even. The animation is horrible. But it's all we've got
My theory about Lute and Adam is that Lute can’t tolerate anyone that gives sinners a heap of mercy by her own bad experiences and the torture is all about reminding them what Sinners are actually like.And Adam is using them, including Lute, because the whole extermination deal is a huge factor in keeping the Lilith we see in heaven.
>>154628763>Bugcuck Alert
>>154628763>Lute can’t tolerate anyone that gives sinners a heap of mercy by her own bad experiencesShe's Eve. She took the apple and is hardcore projecting her own mistakes on to everyone else.>The torture is all about reminding them what Sinners are actually like.Again, she's projecting. Also, according to both Viva and Sam, she was indoctrinated with Heaven's values and hierarchy in mind. In her audition sheet, it says she'll leave you behind if you make so much as one mistake. >Adam is using them, including Lute, because the whole extermination deal is a huge factor in keeping the Lilith we see in heaven.This doesn't make sense because it's confirmed that Lilith was the one who came to heaven and made the deal. For the longest time people thought it was the opposite. But Lute's words make it very clear that she wants to stay there, therefore she's the one that made the deal. I don't think he gives a shit if she's up there or not. Also confirmed in in a q&a session thing, only sinners can make soul deals. Lilith made the deal.
>>154628722> Negatory. It can be... Speaker, God, Good, Roo, the elders who are above Sera, Adam being an annoying little shit and asking her to do it. Take your pick.Why would Eve somehow be an exception over the trillions of sinners? Many of who are far less troubling than Eve? Or even a lot better at destruction. I just don’t get it. Adam in his biases can’t do anything nor would even consider using her as a war soldier.I understand why Lilith is brought to Heaven a lot more than an effectively powerless nobody. And she’s a main factor to Sinners suddenly becoming relevant when they’ve been ignored for about thousands of years. She’s the main reason why Hell is “overpopulated” now.
>>154628854>Why would Eve somehow be an exception over the trillions of sinners?...... Because she's fucking Eve? The mother of humanity? Hello? >Adam in his biases can’t do anything nor would even consider using her as a war soldier.You literally don't know that. You are not the character nor are you Viv. If you could provide your sources, that would be great.>I understand why Lilith is brought to HeavenShe brought herself up there. She's the one that proposed the deal.
>>154628373Somehow I got the idea while watching the series that all the exorcists under Adam were native angels rather than former humans who became angels, meaning Lute would not be able to be Eve. I don't recall what ep gave me that idea though. Is that just wrong and exorcists are either mixed native angels/former humans or not native angels?
>>154628804Doesn't this guy ever take a break.
>>154628890>Lute would not be able to be Eve.LMAO Yes she could be. She's the first sinner. They make clones of that first. Sinner. The Exorcist girls themselves, therefore are native to Heaven. Heaven-made demons, using the best candidate for such a thing: the first sinner herself.>Is that just wrong and exorcists are either mixed native angels/former humans or not native angels?It's already been said numerous times. Viv confirmed that the Exorcists are not descendants of Adams. Them being former winners I believe was in the pitch Bible but that has been retconned. Also, in an a q&a session thing, it was confirmed they are heavenborn
>>154628890All we know is they are 'not Adam's descendants' because early speculation was they were his daughters or granddaughters. It's not confirmed they're a natural heavenborn race in the traditional sense like the cherubs are although it is possible. It's also possible they're manufacturered in some way but not confirmed. Most people would not consider Eve to be Adam's descendant in the traditional sense so there's still room for her to be Lute.
>>154628952It was confirmed in a question and an answer session. You can find the recording on Reddit I think. They are in fact Heavenborn.
>>154628952Her biography section is classified on the playbill. If she were heaven born like the rest of the soldiers, it would probably just say that. But given that it's classified, clearly she is of distinct origins from the rest of the girls. I'm assuming she's the blueprint, AKA Eve, the first sinner, and the girls are made in her image.
>>154628821For Lute to be Eve, there has to be an actual progression and cause and effect that makes sense. I have tried and failed and so I’m just pushing it on the side.Point is. Lilith made the deal directly with Adam and the whole beach she gotten and decorations she received there feels extremely important to Adam. The deal she had to arrange would have to be convincing to make her case to stay in heaven. And it’s this deal and her involvement that is a huge reason for the plot to happen.
>>154628976Yes, they are Heavenborn. Charlie is a Hellborn but you wouldn't fit her into one of the natural Hellborn races.
>>154628930>Yes she could be. She's the first sinner. They make clones of that first. Sinner. The Exorcist girls themselves, therefore are native to Heaven. Heaven-made demons, using the best candidate for such a thing: the first sinner herself.But then she would just be a clone of Eve, not the real Eve.
>>154628976Vivziepop can shove those Q&A sessions up her arse, show and tell us in the fucking show.
>>154628986>I have tried and failedNot reading after this point. That's literally your problem Bugcuck. I have seen in real time people explaining it to you nicely, objectively, they've broken it down for you. And you don't accept the answers. It's not just speculation. It has evidence narratively and outside the show. You just don't like it so you don't accept it. Jessica Vosk already spoiled it by accident. She's Eve. Just because you don't like the direction they're taking with Eve, or because you don't think it should happen, doesn't make it any less valid. Plenty of people think Lucifer should not have restrictions on him. It doesn't change the fact that he is, actually, the same Lucifer and he does canonically have restrictions.
>>154628987There's only one of Charlie. There's a whole Army. I think it's fair to say they could be their own distinct class.
>>154628992Did you purposefully misread what I typed out. Lute is Eve. They grab her, make her lieutenant, they multiply her. That's how we get Baggie, tooth gap, headless-girl... Those are the Eve clones. Lute is just Eve.
>>154629023I like the idea that Adam and Eve contain primordial recessive genes for all races which is how humanity + exorcists can come in all different races. They won't be exact clones. I like to think they're made of feathers or something.
>>154628992I’m actually confused over the idea of Lute and the exorcists being Eve clones when they just don’t resemble her at all and always have Lute’s grey angel traits. With the premise of angels/God taking dust and making it into Adam and Lilith. And Adam being made from Eve’s rib. And the curse of sin being returned to the dust Adam and Lilith once came from, Lute and the Exorcists could easily be some kind of twist of this.
Oooohhh Lute hates Vaggie so much because she's succeeding in protecting her partner with her guarding instincts where Lute failed
>>154629023I accidentally misread it. But it would mean that since she is an exorcist that not all exorcists are native heavenborn. I guess they could make a special exception for a big reveal at some point though if that is what is planned.
>>154629048Lute is Eve. The Exorcists are her clones. That's why they all look like her. That's it.
>>154629065>But it would mean that since she is an exorcist that not all exorcists are native heavenborn.Where the hell are you getting this from. Lute is Eve. She is made Lieutenant. They grab her, and make clones of her. Literally all the girls would be her clones. The girls specifically, not Lute/Eve, would be therefore heavenborn.
>>154629010You’re throwing a fit over me having too many problems with fan made Eve Lute origin narratives that don’t really respect the most important characters in the show to justify its outcome.
>>154629091Okay so anyway. Jessica Vosk already spoiled it, she's Eve. Hope this helps. Can't wait to see it in season 3.
>>154623308I like the idea Lute's ego is as big as Adam's. She thinks those exorcists are mostly just an extension of her. Vaggie is being weak? Lute feels weak and has to get rid of her. Vaggie's failure reflects on her and it's all projection. Consider that Adam and Eve were the only humans ever at one point.
>>154629091>Bugcuck Alert
>>154629135Exactly
>>154629099Where'd this occur?
>>154629165https://x.com/cyjammy/status/1751608597929234504?s=20
>>154629186Jessica Vosk also, literally, said that Lute isn't "who we think she is" and that she will surprise us in a really big way. That it was something that even she was not expecting. Dead giveaway.
>>154629099I told you that the tweet Vosk had replied to had implications of being something bizarre. And the idea I proposed that would make sense with the whole post was Lute being a failed Other Eve project. And when I think about it, it Lilith and Eve would be cursed to revert to the original state of being dust under the sin curse. Maybe Lute’s appearance is her reverting the creature she originally was. And that whole thing will go all of the way by the depression and purposeless she feels.
>>154629223>Bugcuck Alert
>>154629203Oh. Wow. Not being subtle there, huh?
>>154629057Funny
>>154629243The fandom is going to be pissed lol This is pretty awesome. It makes sense too.
>>154629243I expect the twist to be a lot crazier.
>>154629297No Bugcuck. Lilith isn't Eve, Rosie isn't Lilith, Lute isn't a big, Abel isn't bloodthirsty, Zestial isn't Cain and you're not part angel.
>>154629186LMAO straight up NDA violation. Love it. Isn't this her first cartoon or some shit like that? That's so funny ,,
>>154629243The show itself has Lilith Eve foreshadowings. Even on a trading card.And there’s this Lillith name spelling that has popped up there and then. And the drawing Viv made on that spelling matches with Eden Eve’s appearance. The only confirmed detail about Eve is her appearance.
>>154629354>Bugcuck Alert
>>154629371Literally all of this true and straight from the source material of Viv and her hands. Why shouldn’t I depend on it when it’s a lot more fleshed out?
>>154629394>Bugcuck Alert
>>154629350Yup. No wonder she always looks like she's not trying to spill anything during her interviews. Also, doesn't she play like.... Certain character types and shit? Eve Is definitely her brand
>>154629403Would you even bother explaining how Lute could be Eve when their hairs are completely from each other? The interview Viv said regarding hidden identities and changing them to be something of someone else is that the character should at least resemble their true identity.That’s the interview constantly cited (improperly against Lilith Eve because no one reads about the resemblance necessary Eve brought up) that I use myself to find even more issues on Lute Eve
>>154629476>Bugcuck Alert
>>154628562That would line up with the old supposed spoilers about the pilot, where Charlie was painted as apparently someone who wasn't supposed to be born and tied to some other power. Pretty sure she's Roo's child. It could also explain the giant ass claw
>>154628564The Bible is one of the most fascinating things to exist. Not even in a preachy way, some of the stories that have come out of the religion over thousands of years are captivating. This show has crumbs it won't use to its potential because gay sex is what Viv hyperfixates on but those scant crumbs are enough to keep a fandom going into research. Notice how this thread is kept alive? Viv did not come up with Adam, Lilith, Eve, etc. If she never included actual mythology into her gay furry afterlife, lots of people would not care.
I noticed that Coraline’s mother has curly hair and the other mother has straight hair.Eden Eve has curly hair and Lute has straight hair and even looks a lot like the beldam.
This thread needs more tits
>>154629573>Bugcuck Alert
>>154629549Anon, I am Christian but no. The majority of Bible inspirations don’t have people talk about it as much as you think. Barley anyone can execute the Bible.
>>154629549I will be completely honest, I'm surprised you didn't make Adam and Lucifer a thing. Seems like that would play right into her type of storytelling. You could easily make a gay romance out of that, and villainizing all the women involved
>>154629575No. The people here are insane because of gooning.
>>154629596I'm surprised Viv. Not you lmao
>>154629223Holy shit you are so raped Bugcuck. Nobody can be this fucking retarded.
>>154629596Viv’s big drive to make the show is Lilith Eve (Lilith) and Roo. Adam and Lute are afterthoughts reworked late in production for the final pitch of the show. That’s something people often forget.
>>154629710>Bugcuck Alert
>>154629698It gets to a point, real-talk.
>>154629573Why are you so fucking obsessed with Coraline Bugcuck? I'm pretty sure you only watched the movie because you are too brain-dead to actually read the book. Also why do you have this autistic tendency to point out " hey this media has this element so this other unrelated media must also have said element". That's not how shit works.
>>154629710No that's just your retarded headcanon you created after seeing some dubious leaks. Sorry to burst your bubble Bugcuck.
>>154629625No we need more gooning, people are going insane from lack of new Hazbin material.
>>154629755Not only that, but he keeps saying that Eve has curly hair like the real Coraline's mother does. Is he legally blind on top of everything else?
>>154629698Nothing I said is retarded. The Lilith Eve stuff is still here and the interview benefits it more than Lute Eve just by Lilith having these moments of looking exactly like Eden Eve.So I have to look at this big factor and wonder what’s actually going on with Lute’s character and so the rest of the tweet is what I had to consider.
>>154629776To be fair, this time last year we got a major episode leak. We've always gotten leaks. But there's been eerie silence for season 3. We're all going a little bad shit. Supposedly the only thing we have are those speaker lines, which are AI. Actually two versions of them are on tiktok. One of them sounds a lot more AI. But they both sound fake ass fuck regardless.
>>154629780>Bugcuck Alert
>>154629780>Nothing I said is retarded.Everything you say is retarded. You have zero media literacy. You didn't read enough books when you were a child.
>>154629806this is the first i've heard of those. got a link?
>>154629776We need leaks. Why have there been no leaks?????
>>154629775Her interviews about season 3 is that it was a story she wanted to tell for years.She pitched it back in 2022, around the time she released a Lillith art that looks like Eden Eve on her patron or something. Season 1 was finished in 2023. While mid-show production Lute’s weapon was changed from a spear to a sword.
>>154629776i would also like to smooch adam's pretty face all over i understand lilith completely.
>>154629842I'm at work so I can't find the other ones. But here are the ones on YouTube. Supposedly this is the "real" version. There's another version floating around, but that one sounds even more fake than this one: https://youtu.be/YvA8FQxLqhA?si=jCUsmBc9oMmBu6pB
>>154629776
>>154629859>Bugcuck Alert
>>154629806We got the leaks 10 months after season 1. It's only been 8 months since season 2. Patient.
>>154629884When is San Diego Comic-Con again? Do you think we'll get leaks after that?
>>154629879Oh my fucking God. Kill this ship
>>154629806The dialogue on the speaker lines is so ai it contradicts itself.
>>154629884I'm trying, man.
>>154629917I’m warning you anon. Season 3 will make it real.
>>154629936>"""Former Lieutenant Lute"""
>>154629917Nope, never
>>154629949I never noticed how dumb that line was.
>>154629879Her dress is so scandalous. It exposes me that she is different from the Lilith we usually see but she is so much more hot.
>>154629917Let's see your preferred ship.
>>154629993>Bugcuck Alert
>>154629917Eve...
>>154629869'we'll let you stay in heaven and you can slaughter as many potentially redeemable souls as you can, so long as you truly believe you're doing the right thing and are sufficiently sad about doing it'sheesh i definitely hope that's fake.
>>154630023I mean to be fair they already kind of do that in season 2. >Hey we know you hate sinners and you want revenge against Adam, but we're just totally not going to demote you or strip you of your rank or remove you from the Army, and you'll have a front row seat to the sinners being redeemed. Thanks!!????
>>154630034My dumbass. FOR Adam but you know what I mean.
>>154629993Bugcuck you are somehow incredibly creepy towards women but also mentally retarded. Women tend to have varied wardrobes. Especially if they go to a place with a different climate. If Lilith got sent to cold place she would be wearing winter clothes and not thin dresses.
>>154629879honestly i do love the dynamic of two extremely exhausted people who despise each other, but also understand each other perfectly, so when push comes to shove they will be there for each other. like neither of them look happy or even appear to be enjoying this but they're not letting go.
>>154630034It's even funnier because Sera is literally seeing in real time what was happening down there, like what happened with Emily losing her wing, so she saw Lute's entire little number, and she STILL wasn't fired LOL
>>154629869This is the first I'm hearing of this. Fuck, I can't tell if it's AI or not. It may be fake, seeing as it didn't make much waves. If this is true, I can see it. I've been calling Fallen Lute since Gravity got leaked.
>>154630068Fallen Lute is not a twist, it's not even unexpected, and it shouldn't even be a question. I don't know why people talk about Fallen Lute this or Fallen Lute that, like it's this major thing. It kind of isn't. Like no shit.It sounds too robotic. Also the former Lieutenant Lute is a giveaway lmao
>>154630034...you know, this reminds me.Since Sir Pentious got redeemed even though he got killed by angelic blast, it means any Sinner killed by Exterminations had the oppurtunity but didn't get redeemed.Meaning no one killed by Exoricsts or Adam was actually deserving of Heaven or redeemed until Sir Pentious. Thus no innocent actually died to them.
>>154630051Lilith Eve worn that dress in baby Charlie’s flashback and doesn’t wear the arm sleeves.And her trading card has her wearing it on her throne.She’s naturally like this and this boldly confident. It’s no wonder Adam walked backed to her so fast.
>>154630062Geez, you would think she's completely special... I wonder why. Oh that's right, Jessica already gave it away lol
>>154630112>Bugcuck Alert
Breaking News: Bugcuck thinks people don't change clothes or their hair.
>>154630068>>154630100I don’t think fallen Lute will be a thing. But it’s already a thing and Lute is drained up heavily by it without her Adam plushy.
>>154630062if it weren't for vosk's tweet this would be what twigged lute=eve for me. there is no world where lute gets to fly freely without any kind of punishment or even surveillance for what she pulled unless she's someone sera feels severely obligated towards, enough to override both this and her outburst in court. abel could demote and select another less openly hostile and disobedient exorcist to replace lute as his lieutenant at any time, but that's not happened yet. exorcists are clearly viewed as disposable since no eyebrows were raised at vaggi being dumped in hell, so lute has be special in some way. >>154630147imagine if emily tried to make a new adam to comfort lute like she did with the egg boiz for sir pentious. >he's not quite the same, but i hope you'll give him a chance!
>>154630100I have the volume cranked up. I'm not hearing any AI artifacts but idk. What's so wrong with Former Lieutenant anyways? If she's getting expelled, she's not keeping her rank. I don't find the wording awkward.
>>154630143Lilith Eve didn’t wear a necklace till the beach location. Her card and her flashback appearance lacked it.
>>154630196Then your tone deaf. Lute is short for lieutenant. This is canon. So.. Former Lieutenant Lieutenant? Lol
>>154630170>abel could demote and select another less openly hostile and disobedient exorcist to replace lute as his lieutenant at any time, but that's not happened yet. Abel doesn’t want to do that. She’s the only example in his life that actually gets mad at heaven for overlooking Adam and fills in his mommy issues.
>>154630204>Bugcuck Alert
>>154630112Bugcuck I understand you haven't interacted with a woman since you were a child but they tend to dress with a lot of variety depending on what they feel like. It's like one of the most basic and simple things you can do as a human being. Having multiple outfits to look good and dress based on the occasion. You probably wear the same disgusting clothes when you leave the house but normal people have multiple outfits.
>>154630229Lute is literally his biological mom. She's Eve.
>>154630196"Former Lieutenant" isn't the problem. "Lieutenant Lute" is the problem. Lute is canonically short for Lieutenant. Viv confirmed that. So she's calling her Lieutenant Lieutenant.Also, you're probably deaf. You can clearly hear it's AI
>>154630204You do realize how easy is to put on a necklace? Women have tons of jewellery which they mix and match with their clothes. Do you seriously never leave you house?
>>154630249It's Bugcuck. Don't expect him to stop being retarded.
Somebody make a new thread ( not you Bugcuck).
>>154630217Ok. Lieutenant is her rank. Lute is her name. I know that the crew shortened her rank into making an original name for her but having those two said back to back isn't weird. Lieutenant Lute sounds alliterative but not wrong. I wouldn't think it's weird to say High Seraphim Sera, who has called her Adam's lieutenant and her name.
>>154630236It’s animation. They keep the designs nearly the same for consistency.
>>154630249Abel’s perspective. Not whatever you think is Eve’s perspective.
Apparently, we need more shipping since this thread is still crazy
>>154630263There is additional context. The leaker himself freaked out over people saying it’s ai.
>>154630348Nope. Jessica Vosk already confirmed it. Hope this helps.
>>154630396Yes, the leaker freaked out when people said it was ai and then deleted those comments when they called him out. It's AI.
>>154630310No, they didn't shorten it to make an original name. It's literally short for Lieutenant. She's calling her Lieutenant Lieutenant. And anyway, like I said, calling her former lieutenant isn't the issue. It's AI.
>>154630421I think the weirdest thing is that the dialogue has the Speaker say Lute didn’t protect Heaven and also say “to protect Heaven, you’ve became a monster”.It’s extremely contradictory.
>>154630396Of course he freaked out. I was there, it was on telegraph. He got hissy pissy about it because people were calling it out for what it was, AI. He started deleting those comments, and was upset that he wouldn't be able to sell any more supposedly leaks.
>>154630460He went after Lute because she was the most popular leak character at the time.
>>154630473Yup. There was also that other fake leak where Vaggie kills Lute. But the art style gives it away that it's fanart. They have a Twitter account. People were fooled by that one for a while.
>>154629806maybe they learned to stop leaks
>>154630249Does Abel know she is Eve though? He doesn't act like he does.
>>154630549They’re too focused on Lute Eve that everyone else basically doesn’t matter.
What do you guys think was so compelling about the story, what possible twist or reveal did they have that Amazon greenlit the show? Viv said that season 3's storyline is what got the show greenlit in the first place. That gives me some hope that it's not a complete fuck up. And no Bugcuck, And no, it's not that Lilith is Eve is Rosie is an evil twin, Zestial being Caine blah blah blah blah nobody wants to hear it. I want actual input.
>>154630549>>154630560He's a dumbass. He probably doesn't know. The only ones in the know might be Sera and Lilith ( maybe also Speaker).
>>154630569Lilith Eve. Realistically.
>>154630549Oh yeah, I personally theorize he definitely does. On the contrary, I actually think he acts like he knows. Remember during his bit in Hear My Hope? He says he wishes he were like anybody else, who we assume, he's already talking about Adam and his brother, but then her reflection comes in his eyes. Like.... Why? Why some random soldier even though she was Adam's second? And then just other weird little shit like that. I don't think it's necessarily a secret, it's just a secret to us as the audience. Like how Niffty was revealed to be a former Overlord or whatever she is, and nobody in-iniverse seemed surprised
>>154630569Could be anything really. Amazon is pretty bipolar on what they greenlit. Things like Rings of Power can get 5 seasons without anything, Stargate can get cancelled without warning just when they were starting Season 1.
>>154630593I honestly don’t think Abel is dumb but the people trusting him are.
>>154630560Nobody cares Bugcuck.
>>154630597Write so anyway. Jessica already gave away that Lute is Eve. Hope this helps
>>154630615Oh look at that, now I look like an idiot myself. I meant to say 'right'.
>>154630602Abel’s moment is mommy issues and Lute is basically the one he’s seeing to be mommy by how inspirational she is to him.
>>154630597>>154630607Wow Bugcuck. I'm sure spamming shit you and only you believe will definitely convince us you're not retarded. How can you be this stupid? It's genuinely baffling.
>>154630604That's... Unfortunately true. So maybe it doesn't have to be this super big thing. The only thing that comes to my mind is Lilith being a fallen angel, but I don't know how that plays into it.
>>154630615Looty. You act like a bot.
>>154630637I don't think he can even hide the things he believes in because it inevitably spells out. He's not good at pretending.
>>154630631That's his mom dude. Lute is his bio mom because she's actually Eve the lady who ate the apple in the garden. It's not that complicated.
>>154630648Sorry. I can't help myself.I'll stop. Though, you should give me credit. I did see people typing that out when I was gone for those two weeks.
>>154630648No Bugcuck. Her calling you out for being a dumbass ( because you can't stop acting like one) doesn't mean she's botting.
We gotta make a new thread. Looty will you do the honours?
I just want it on record that people were using my little spammy line while I was away so.. feel like I should be giving a little bit of slack. Just a little bit.
>>154630604RoP was all sunk costs, they had to continue, no matter how bad it did.
>>154630700Sorry senpai, I can't. I don't have good connection here. Can one of you lovely people do it. Not bugcuck
>>154630707I mean it's in the same vein as Headcanon/Bugcuck Alert. Great for mocking him.
>>154630700Keep it a bit more, we are still nowhere close to the bottom of the catalogue of /co/
>>154630771>>154630771
Huh, Helluva Boss thread is dying early. Even though they just get a new short recently. Is it that unpopular these days?
Does nobody else find it weird that we have these supposed old leaks regarding Lilith and Rosie or whatever, but we have absolutely nothing on what happens to the rest of the characters? Like Lucifer, Charlie, Angel.... I don't think that's how credible leaks workAs more and more time passes, it's becoming blatantly clear that these supposed leaks from that one employee were just a pitch. And they were it said in various calls, meaning not official production work....
>>154630661I’m always so confused by the whole Lute Eve conspiracy because it’s almost always about somehow Adam, Abel, or whatever slightly relevant character has a relationship with Lute knowing she’s Eve and the relationship depends on them knowing she’s Eve.It’s remarkably dull and outright bizzarely unnatural. At least with Lilith Eve the dynamics she has depends on her using her false identity and occasionally use her real one for one dude skimping hard for her.
>>154630788It always goes back to Stoolas/Blitzo. Though I will say the most recent short was kind of cute. It could use less gay though. Stoolas Is surprisingly kind of pleasant when he's not being a fag
>>154630797>Bugcuck Alert
>>154630808Stolas is best when Blitzo isn't there. Like, his scenes with Octavia and Moxxie are among the best. What I would give for a proper relationship episode between Stolas and Stella without strawmans and 1 dimensional Stella
>>154630797Love how you ignore everything we say and choose to believe the exact opposite because otherwise you'd realise how fucking stupid your headcanon is. You really are retarded.
>>154630857It's been explained to him so many times, and he just throws his tantrum, says no, then goes back to saying the same things over, and over again. He's resorted to even straight up lying sometimes, like saying that Viv or Jessica Vosk said something that they never said. He's grasping at straws. I vote we should have a betting pool. $5 says Bugcuck and the Lilith glazers quit the show after this season. It's not looking good for them.
>>154630882Bugcuck might fuck off out of sheer humiliation ( kinda like what happened with Jax). Lilith glazers will probably become part of the hatedom because they will believe it's justified ( it isn't) because Viv is misogynistic for not making Lilith perfect.
>>154629917It's already dead.
>>154628196Not saying it is. Eden is probably on its own plane of existence. We heard Lute/Eve say “stay here” and that she told Sera she went and “talked to Lilith”. No one outright said she’s necessarily in heaven.
>>154631822That is actually a very fair point. Also on the card, the garden is apparently called/ titled "Lilith's garden". So maybe they specifically bait it just for her? Like her own pocket dimension Maybe
>>154631896** MADE not bait
