>I swear to devote my life to the destruction of all forms of piracy, greed, cruelty and injustice. My sons, and my sons' sons, shall follow me.How do we make America's first costumed superhero, The Phantom, great again /co/?
>>154624648>How do we make America's first costumed superhero, The Phantom, great again /co/?Make another movie or a TV show. Have the source material more widely available.
>>154624648Phantom 2040 taught me that Phantom works best outside of a modern setting. Whether classic pulp era or near future cyberpunk, Phantom needs a touch of separation to sell the fantasy.
>>154625094I agree with this. 2040 was cool, as was the 1996 movie. I recall some Phantom Phans in Fennoscandia not liking the movie because it was so retro pulp and serial inspired, they were used to Phantom existing in modern day. Phantom could work in any time period because he's a legacy hero.
>>154624695When was the last time he had anything to draw from?
>>154624648Cut off his limbs.
>>154624648Assemble the Defenders of the Earth!
>>154625094>>154625182Phantom 2040 is so weird. It's like a series that exists only in the imagined memory of someone who vaguely recalls seeing one Saturday morning that no one else believed existed... But it does.
>>154626945>meaning when The Phantom is public domain they will start doing cease and desist like how its done with Tarzan.How the fuck can they keep doing that after it's public domain? I knew the Edgar Rice Burroughs estate still holds Tarzan and John Carter tightly, so much so they're both being more and more forgotten by newer generations. I believe Zoro was going through something similar, but how the fuck can The Phantom still be tied up too?
Make the Phantom a girl.Make/keep the wolf a male.
>>154624648Legit thought the first issue of the newish Mad Cave comic was so good. Even pre-ordered issue 1 months in advanceHopefully this will lead to an eventual ongoing
>>154626882>illegal
>>154625094I'm inclined to agree, he needs to have a level of "distance" to his time period. Pre-modern/pulp era makes him like a complete urban legend on a tropical island type, far future makes him more like Batman Year 100
>>154625094this man knows what he is talking about
>>154624695Because those have such great track record
>>154624648i just hope he gets treatment for his skin condition
>>154624648that's not zorro
>>154625094Dang, I didn't know the voice talent in the show had a lot of known actors.
>>154626134Two weeks ago. Next issue next week. https://www.phantomwiki.org/index.php/Team_Fantomen_stories
>>154624648I've been meaning to get into the Phantom were should I start, the original pulp magazine stories or what
>>154630424Huh, didn't know there were still some comics being made for him. Are these a fan group doing them?
They need to get rid of the current writer.Before he bores the still reading audience to death.
>>154624648I couldn't take this guy's costume so seriously. >>154625094>>154625182The 2040 setting works for me, though.
>>154626990Doyle's state sued over Sherlock Holmes having emotions, these states are insane
>>154626990>>154634133Phantom isn't tied up in anyone's estate because it's owned by Hearst all the way back when William Randolph Hearst himself was alive. He made sure that shit was corporate owned. Falk's estate has no claims on anything.King Features keeps trying to get their characters adapted over and over, Phantom just doesn't take for whatever reason. They tried in 1996, they tried in 2009, and they're trying again now.
>>154632908Official license production. Primarily for the swedish biweekly and eventually translated into english by the aussies for their publication.It just about pays for itself and manages to hire writers and artists.
>>154624648What is his powers though?
>>154624648>I swear to devote my life to the destruction of all forms of piracyIt's a bit difficult to make it popular now that hackers are seen as folk heroes.
>>154636037Technically none but it's been said he's got above average poison immunity, though I think that's just said to handwave him getting drugged by villains a lot.Otherwise he's just a nirmal man but at peak human capabilities. His main "powers" outside of that is his resources, as he's got plenty of treasure, information and allies to help him on his endeavors.
>>154631386Learn Swedish and read the Swedish issues amd collections.
>>154636140So basically a shitter batman? Lame, fuck this shit thread of this shit hero
>>154627049I liked the first arc and what I've read so far of the second. Here's hoping it lasts as long as their Flash Gordon book.
>>154631386There are no pulp magazine stories. It's a comic strip.
>>154637853I'll copy paste my thoughts of him from a previous thread:>The key aspects that makes him interesting is that this is his day job. He is The Phantom. The comic even points out in captions that "Sometimes the Phantom disguises himself as a man" for when he dresses like a civilian in order to travel or infiltrate. So there's no drama about secret identities or work life balance etc. It's refreshing having a guy be a one man army, super cop who sees injustice and goes to defeat it.>Another aspect is the legacy. It's a tradition going back hundreds of years where the Phantom's sons are trained from birth to take on the mantle after their father is killed. So there are many stories that are historical fiction where an ancestor Phantom is taking part in real world events. One of my favorites is when he teams up with Benjamin Franklin pre revolution in Scotland to solve the mystery of the Loch Ness monster.>To be honest, he's a bit dry personality wise, not much to him other than being a strong good guy, but he's a vehicle for exciting adventures. Another aspect I like is that it is generally grounded (ignore the living stegosaurus he has in his secret garden of eden) where his enemies are tribesmen, poachers, islamic terrorists, corrupt officials etc. While he has a generational nemesis in the Singh pirates, besides a symbol they rally under they're not "super" villains in the traditional sense.
>>154624648with a nortubel crossover
>>154624648>all forms of piracySo does he go around beating the shit out of /co/mrades for downloading his comics?
>>154624648Need to put his face back onto everything. He was used for a lot of things, from milk, to liver pate, to candy and soft drinks.
>>154638849RETVRN
>>154638894>A well-kept secret revealed.>Everyone in this business has to watch what they eat. The market for comic book heroes is cutthroat. Imagine what it would look like if I fell off Hero, started stumbling around among the orchids, and got beaten up by everyone in a slouch hat and stubble. Someone else would take over the job in a flash, and I’d probably end up as a typist’s assistant back in Morristown.>“That’s why I never travel without my liver pâté sandwiches. They give me both iron and vitamins and are actually lower in fat than a regular cheese sandwich. When your job depends on your body, you have to take good care of it.”
>>154638455Anon, I respect your effort, but I'm pretty sure the person you're replying to was just being a shithead for (You)s.
The movie is good
>>154638455a fun aspect of Phantom is that he is expected to fight crime until he is killed in action. Like he could be 70 and stll fight pirates or terrorists until he finally dies. The criminals rejoice and news gets around Phantom is dead but then the new Phantom shows up. The legend is renewed
>Jungle candy>The best thing about saturday is the candy!>The best thing about the jungle are the bananas!
>>154638455Oh, so The Phantom is a mantle. I can roll with that. And its cool for how different times can have their own Phantom. From the breakdown you gave he certainly feels like a pulp hero of the time. Like Tarzan or John Carter. Relatively simple character wise but the fun is in the strong direct hero deals with the big adventures he stumbles into.
>>154640731>>154638989>>154638894Man I love these goofy in character advertisements. These are like relics now a days.
Papua New Guinea has a mad boner for the character.
>>154641281You never can tell when a character or series will be randomly adopted by a peoples.
>>154641719It would be him or Tarzan, for having most adventures in a familiar jungle setting. Bats and Supes dealt with western cities and skyscrapers that probably weren't entirely alien but unusual enough.
>>154635557I'm surprised it's been going on for so long.
>>154626990>>154634133>>154634238A lot of these estates have grown into little cancerous nests of people who make their livelihoods abusing the rights for money, usually without the living relatives, if they even have any, seeing more than relative pennies. The lawsuits being legitimate or not usually doesn't matter since the intent is to use the existing money fueling a legal battle as a scare tactic to get people to settle or fold entirely to fill their coffers and allow them to continue for a few more years not needing to do any actual work.Straight up, the smart thing to do would be to try and do their most to keep the IP desirable while selectively whoring it out for more clout in the public consciousness, but the inbred rats that make up the estate management aren't smart enough for that.
>>154624648Find some "hot" artist and have them do some phantom comics
>>154626618they’re invisible not missing you idiot
>>154643698The Phantom is not owned by an estate.
>>154643778Any italian anons who can translate?
>>154644064Probably Portuguese since its a Ziraldo the Brazilian cartoonist
>>154639084he's still just a basic faggot batman, fuck you fag
>>154642909For some reason, Phantom is really popular in Sweden, so much that his comic sells better than the big DC and Marvel heroes over there. His book comes out twice a month and you can find it in basically any store that has a newsstand.In Sweden, Phantom's costume is blue. This was due to the Swedish translation of the newspaper comics coloring him wrong all the way back in the 40's, but he became so popular by the time the mistake was discovered that they just kept him that way ever since.
An amusing thing is the original comic strip show how Lee Falk changed his mind about who the Phantom was mid production.The comic strip starts with his future love interest Diana Palmer meeting up with his handsome, rich but cowardly man who is always missing whenever she's being assailed by thugs but luckily the Phantom appears to help her, then disappears before the rich idiot returns.It was clear he was going for a basic secret identity, with a Bruce Wayne, Clark Kent set up, but then that man just disappears and we get the reveal about who the Phantom is and the legacy of it etc. It's just neat to see a clear change from what is obviously telegraphed. The closest to this I've seen similar to this was in the manga Dr Stone where it starts off with Taiju as the protagonist and with Senku as the sidekick/costar. But the creators must have realized the more interesting character was the super genius and not the goodhearted and strong oaf, so while he isn't killed off he is written off for a while and becomes a secondary character.
>>154644111Yeah, originally conceived as Gray but it wasn't clear in the newsprint and thus became purple.Sweden made a mistake when publishing it and by the time they realized it was too set in people's minds that it was blue.I've never read them myself but Italy he's red.
>>154644111It really is a freaking wonder what catches on where. I'm kind of surprised this didn't cause the current owners to try and revive it in other countries off the back of it's success elsewhere.
>>154644111I remember the Incredible Hulk was suppose to be grey but second issue printed the Hulk as green.
>>154638894>>154641108I went to that zoo and hung out with the Phantom a couple times when I was a kid.Shit was cash.
>>154644064"I know our marriage is impossible... and now it's too late. Reverend, she's pregnant."
>>154644720In Papua New Guinea tribes paint the Phantom on their shields. They get together with other tribes for "cricket matches" which are actually a sort of dance off/mock battle where the tribe with the most drip wins.
>>154638378So the best place to start is just whatever the oldest issues of The Phantom you can find at whatever your favorite comic place is?
>>154624695Adulthood is not wanting the thing you like to get adapted
>>154645599That is really cool. The waves something like this made in ways I doubt the original creators could have ever expected. Even becoming tradition somewhere.
He needs an updated design for one
>>154647687I got you sempai
>>154644871Those kind of moments are really cool. Let kids feel like they've met their heroes in ways that little else can match.
>>154648122Looks like some Sentai got mixed in.
>>154648128Cute! Does it still exist?
>>154644165One newspaper confused him with Mandrake and he went by "Dragos" for the longest time. This did spawn at least one parody strip called "Drogis".
>>154649284He was replaced by Bamse some decade ago. Kids didn't recognise him anymore.But he did last very long as Lee Falk sold them a perpetual license for a dollar.
>>154649284It got replaced in 2010.
>>154649315Damn socialist bear, seizing others property!
>>154649362I can't blame them, he had turned into "the guy in the amusement park" instead of "the hero from the comics".Regarding Op's question I think the swedes and aussies should get together and make something like Fantomen Krönika aimed at the american market. Reasonably big and reasonably inexpensive (fuck collectors, focus on readers) TPBs, each focusing on some theme. There's a boatload of adventures the americans have never seen.
>>154625094Fucking loved 2040 man, that introduced me to the cyberpunk genre as a kid in pretty sure
>>154649315>>154649362It's not Bamse, he is at a different zoo.
>nobody's ripped the Australian release of season 1 for Phantom 2040>only publicly available release is the shitty rip on the King Features YouTube that looks like it was scanned from some Central American rerun archive
>>154649419Absolutely. That's how it is in Sweden with the Chronicle, as it's reprints in black and white. It's clear black and white isn't a hindrance thanks to manga, and with the price being lower it'll let people take a chance. Seeing a 100 page digest for sale for 5 bucks would allow people to take a chance on it.
>>154644142>rich but cowardly man who is always missing whenever she's being assailed by thugs but luckily the Phantom appears to help herMy first guess is he wanted to avoid The Phantom being compared to Diego De La Vega, as that sounds more similar to Zorro than anything else.
>>154650566True, I always forget how old The Phantom is. He predates Batman.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nblpob8gyzs
>>154649730Fuck. And its not really something that would see a rerelease any time soon I'd bet.
>>154647687Just use the 2040 design
>>154625094Was this similar to that Sherlock Holmes In The 22nd Century? Feels like it was the move for a bit to try and bring older characters into the future.
>>154652256Predates Holmes (and Batman Beyond for that matter) by 5 years. I think it's more, the Phantom is an easy character concept to put in any time frame as long as it's after the original, so they just decided to hop on the cyberpunk dystopia fad.
>>154652572>Predates Holmes (and Batman Beyond for that matter) by 5 years.Wow, The Phantom was ahead of its time there. Kind of baffled this is the first I've heard of this take on him. Not even in talks about futuristic reimagining of characters. Did the show not get aired on any sizable network at the time? Any physical releases after the fact?
>>154651719The metal bracers do a good amount for him.
>>154651719I would cover the forehead and make the suit black with purple highlights
>>154651719Underpants needs to be striped
I like his P swastika
>>154624648America???? That motherfucker lives in Africa!
Just need to share this clip from Swedish television. I think it illustrates just the popularity of the Phantom that they put him on the same level as Superman for a sketch like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O77QOFtifdYJust goofy little jokes, wordplay etc.
I wish there was more piracy of Swedish comics, can't find any examples of what I want to show.There's this comic called Illustrerad Djavulskap (Devilry Illustrated) that had a fantastic parody of The Phantom called "Fantomten" (combining Fantomen and Tomten (Santa Clause)) where the two main character meet Santa Phantom in the norhtpole and it just hits every beat about the Phantom but transposed to the North Pole.
>>154651719Steve Ditko drew this issue
Darn it, the strips collections are many and expensive.
>>154624648Does the Phantom have costumed villains or is it mostly pirates and regular crooks ?
>>154654935I don't imagine they got many reruns or omnibus collections.
>>154654942Mostly pirates and regular crooks. They tend to be above just a mook though. There was a fun comic strip arc where a dying millionaire finances an expedition to the jungle to find the Phantom because he's heard of the "Man who cannot die" and thus hopes to buy his secret of immortality. He's a bald fat man who looks distinct but as he dies once the Phantom reveals the secret to him he isn't a regular.On that topic, there aren't too many regular from what I can remember. The Phantom tends to be quite particular about killing his enemies so not too many recurring ones. At most we have villains who have met with him before but we only meet him now, as they reveal a Skull mark to reveal that he's scuffled with the ghost who walks.
I just remembered he was referenced in Mythbusters too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alwSfKy_eSQ
>>154655708That might be an issue as to why Phantom isn't as popular as he once was. People like colorful bad guys for the hero to fight
>>154655749Yeah, not having some equally colorful villains to bounce off could have hurt him in the long run.
>>154654824So does this Fantomten punch naughty kids?
I'd be interested in seeing how they could bring him back into the larger comic reading consciousness. And beyond. Something extreme like an Absolute Phantom? An animated series of episodic adventures?
>>154654942The closest thing would probably be the Singh Brotherhood, which to my memory started as a collection of pirate tribes and over time modernized into a shadow organization.
>>154655744That's kinda cool. Guess there were fans among the crew.
>>154654435His rings are cool unique little touches to his fights and character.
>>154657835I would love something like an animated kid series on the level of Batman TAS. The beginning of the intro to The Legend of Tarzan would be a good basis for the intro https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlIVYfcVKpc
>>154656869Don't remember him doing that in the parody but there was a North Pole Saying "Fantomten gives soft presents to the hard" translated from "Fantomten ger mjuka paket till dom hårda" which in itself is from the original Jungle Saying "Fantomen är hård mot dom hårda" which localized would be "The Phantom is tough against the tough".On another note with that Chrstimas parody, a big part of the real Phantom's lore is that no one but his closest family may see him without his mask. Anyone who does so will be cursed (which has happened though how much of it is a self fulfilling prophecy and how much is an actual curse is ambiguous). So at the end of the parody Fantomten faints and the protagonist of the comic (a buff evil scientist) decides to check under his mask and is horrified to find out it's just dad.Goodness, I'm just reminiscing of all kinds of Phantom stories now. Regardign the mask thing, there was a fun story set in the past where he's washed up on a lighthouse island. I can't remember the justification but two sisters work the lighthouse and they rescue him. Both pull his mask off and see his face (he's really handsome of course) but he stops them warning them of the curse. Shit happens, one of the sisters wishes to have him for herself, she dies. The other sister is freaked out but Phantom reveals the secret of how to get past it, and thus asks her to marry him.
