>>154640429
>I feel like it’s a hotly debated story amongst 20 people under 100 pseudonyms over the internet, because literally just before coming back down here, I was talking to a fan for 15 minutes who told me how that story changed his life and helped him through a breakup with this girl. I get that so often where people will come up to me.

>First of all, they look over their shoulder to see if anyone from the internet is watching, and they go, [whispers] I really like that story. The story struck a chord obviously, but it’s something that had to be done for the Spider-Man mythos to continue for the next readers who are coming in.

>>154640429
He is going to milk this thing until he is dead.

>>154640509
Why does this sound fake?

>>154640509
>I feel like it’s a hotly debated story amongst 20 people under 100 pseudonyms over the internet
Well, instead of relying on your feelings and anecdotes, they could always take an official tally/poll. Wonder if there's some sort of reason they don't do that, hmm...

>>154640850
Probably because they'll find out the people supporting OMD are the ones using 100 pseudonyms

Quesada seems to be hedging his bets that nobody reads OMD to call out how stupid it is that someone would read that and get over a breakup

>>154640509
And then everyone clapped

>>154640850
I want another 1-900-AX-ROBIN fiasco

>>154640509
>I was talking to a fan for 15 minutes who told me how that story changed his life and helped him through a breakup with this girl. I get that so often where people will come up to me.
...is he for fuckin real? He forgot to mention how bus driver clapped for him afterward.

>>154640429
It's too late to fix this fuck up, it doesn't matter

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>>154640429
This has gotta be trolling. This is literally the exact opposite of what anyone on earth wants.

>>154640509
I remember how years ago he also claimed that he meet plenty people telling him how great clone saga was, and how it's their beloved story. This guy was always delusional.

>>154640913
>1-900-AX-ROBIN
it was a crowbar, actually

>>154640509
What fucking loser reads capeshit to get over losing their gf?

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>>154640509
> literally just before coming back down here, I was talking to a fan for 15 minutes who told me how that story changed his life and helped him through a breakup with this girl. I get that so often where people will come up to me.
I can tell you with certainty that didn't happen, and I know because not enough people read comics for it to have that kind of impact on a random bus driver.

Generously, I'd say about half a million people actually bought OMD, and most of those people are collectors who get as many Spider-Man books as possible. The average person has no idea wtf it is and will say it sounds dumb and annoying when they hear about it.

>I feel like it’s a hotly debated story amongst 20 people under 100 pseudonyms over the internet
He's right about the extremely low estimates of people but completely wrong about the "hotly debated." It's universally reviled with the vanishingly small amount of people who actually even know what it is.

Did Rich Evans saying "Fuck You Joe Quesada" break Joey Q's brain so badly that he really feels the need to construct an elaborate fake reality where he's massively oppressed and also the hero?

>>154641127
>Did Rich Evans saying "Fuck You Joe Quesada" break Joey Q's brain so badly that he really feels the need to construct an elaborate fake reality where he's massively oppressed and also the hero?

I wonder if someone will send OP's Quesada article to Rich Evans

>>154641167
I would genuunely pay good money for Rich Evans just to make a video shitting on OMD. I don't care if it's to Mike, Jay or even fucking Jack. I would revel in his pettiness.

>>154640509
>I was talking to a fan for 15 minutes who told me how that story changed his life and helped him through a breakup with this girl. I get that so often where people will come up to me.
I would really love to know how selling your marriage to the devil helps you deal with a break up. Sounds like someone needs therapy, not comic books.

>>154641127
>Did Rich Evans saying "Fuck You Joe Quesada" break Joey Q's brain so badly that he really feels the need to construct an elaborate fake reality where he's massively oppressed and also the hero?
Yes.

https://www.reddit.com/r/RedLetterMedia/comments/1rjnt2l/rich_evans_is_making_waves_among_the_spiderfolk/

Here's Joe having a public meltdown over another comic book professional over it.

Quesada is definitely aware Rich Evans looked directly into the camera and said "Fuck You" to him and it sends him into such a seething rage he has to defend his honor online about it.

>>154641263
Joe’s a narcissistic little pedophile. It’s his fault his father got cancer.

>>154640850
They'll just say people were stacking votes when they don't get the results they want.

>>154641263
Some of the comments in there defending Quesada sound like they're using the same kind of talking points the Marvel employees do

>>154641305
Honestly though it's making me wonder if they're stacking things themselves

Like how ASM was changed from monthly to a thrice-a-month comic during BND, which slowed down the sales drops

>>154641309
Also it's fucking hilarious to see people trying to defend Quesada/OMD there peddle the "it's been 20 years, get over it" argument in a fucking RLM subreddit, of all places

Can't tell if it's people with no self-awareness or tourists from Marvel offices

>>154640509
20 years from now on Zeb Wells gonna give interview, how people came to him and said that inventing Paul and cucking Peter helped them deal with their divorce.

>>154641467
>"It's been 20 years!"
>"Is it still canon?"
>Well, yeah, but TWENTY YEARS!!!! IT'S LIKE BOYHOOD TOOK TWELVE YEARS TO MAKE BOYHOOD!!!!!!"

>>154640509
How does seeing Spiderman selling his marriage to the devil could help someone get through a break up?

>One More Day shits on Peter for not accepting the consequences of his actions
why is this bad?
>to the point where Mary Jane has to sacrifice herself to make sure Peter gets a retcon
why no one ever brings this up?

peterfags are cancer. die die die.

>>154641566
>marvel employee in a seething rage and threatening people

lol

>>154641566
>One More Day shits on Peter for not accepting the consequences of his actions
and then rewards him for doing so.

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back in black is also shit. whoever likes psycho Peter should jump off a bridge.

>>154640850
They don't need to, they're well aware it's widely unpopular and very contentious. They just despise and think very little of what they imagine as the "haters", lumping the reprehensible and reasonable together, intentionally or not. Which makes lying about and diminishing it okay in their minds. Us-vs-them thinking that makes things even worse, and they can't ever admit any fault or revert the story, or they lose and the enemy wins. For Quesada in particular, ego is of course heavily involved, but overqll it's just standard culture war stuff.

>>154641617
Faggot lmao

>>154641631
>reprehensible and reasonable together
No, Joe thinks everyone who disagrees with him is reprehensible by definition because he's a fucked up narcissist. It's not a simple matter of "he got trolled and now he's paranoid." The criticism, to him, IS the problem.

>>154641487
Can’t wait for the day Dan Slott says Superior Spider-Man helped someone get over the loss of a loved one that was killed by a doctor

>>154641661
Yes, he lumps them together, as I said. The only question is how intentional and conscious it is, though it's shitty either way.

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Gerry Conway > Stan Lee > Erik Larsen > Bendis > J. Mackerel Stradivarius > Joe Quesada

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>>154640429

>>154641961
Quesada is genuinely planning to release an entire revenge work as a sequel to one of the most widely hated comics of all time because some fat schlub from Milwaukee called him a mean name on the internet.

>>154640429
marywhorefags keep getting humiliated

>>154641706
Definitely intentional. A grown ass man can tell the difference between constructive criticism and insults and know not everyone who doesn't like him is a big mean bully. It isn't an innocent misunderstanding, the man is just a petty and vindictive narcissist.

>>154642222
>some fat schlub from Milwaukee
Are there non-schlubs in Milwaukee?

>>154642354
The Fonz.

>>154641737
This guy needs a lethal injection to cure what ails him.

>>154640429
>Co-creator.
Quesada didn't create Spider-Man.

>>154642339
But editorial and the company and all the people, in and out of the industry, that back him up and agree with the characterization of the "toxic fans", the actual popularity of OMD and the insistence on keeping them unmarried, and the situation as a whole, they are doing it intentionally as well? I think it's like many other culture war phenomena, where there are many who take particular sides and narratives without conciously knowing it's a lie at its base. Of course, many know and don't care, or even take glee, but I guess it's hard for me to swallow that Quesada got Marvel as a whole to accept it's true or even to fight to insist on a known lie to protect his ego, instead of them being convinced they need to do these things for other reasons.

>>154642510
He filled Marvel's editorial with yes-men and lackies who kiss his ass. Of course the agree with him.

>>154642275
Hey buddy, are you retarded?

>>154641583
Yeah, OMD is the first time in history where the devil makes an honest deal with no unintended consequences and the author says it was a good thing to do.

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>>154640429
What would even be the point of doing a sequel if it doesn’t give Spider-Man his marriage back as well as his soul? The people in charge of Marvel forget that comics aren’t supposed to be misery porn and that the heroes are supposed to get some wins. I mean what could be possibly a more narratively satisfying way to undo your greatest mistake by overcoming the literal devil?

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>>154640509
>story changed his life and helped him through a breakup with this girl. I get that so often where people will come up to me.
A lot of dumped guys saying how much a comic about people selling their marriage to a demon resonates with them would say quite a lot about that circle.

>>154643028
The devil doesn’t even matter anymore. The same comic you posted pretty much declared Mephisto has no claim on Peter’s soul and he actually gained nothing out of OMD, because he’s just a big red retarded faggot.

OMIT is the official explanation, and if you want proof, look at how the MCU didn’t even bother to adapt OMD and just went with a tweaked version of OMIT.

It’s the movies that decide what’s canon to the comics, not the other way around. The movies decided that Mephisto accomplished nothing of consequence with OMD in the comics.

Why do the *toxic fans* still go with OMD as the real explanation for the marriage going away instead of OMIT? Because OMIT was nothing but a big wet shit too and barely anyone read it!

>>154643113
They just want to be told they did nothing wrong and all their problems were somebody else’s fault.

OMD was a very right wing story.

>>154643028
>What would even be the point of doing a sequel if it doesn’t give Spider-Man his marriage back as well as his soul?
There was a previous sequel to OMD that no one remembers or cares about. In it, Spider-Man and Mary Jane look directly at the reader and laugh obnoxiously when they talk about getting back together, in a way that feels completely forced and unnatural. Quesada literally wrote a "hurt feelings sequel" where he has the characters agree with him and affirm his emotions because he's that petty and insecure.

That story, and the next story (if it happens) aren't actually stories at all. They're Quesada playing with dolls to mend his butthurt.

>>154643118
>OMIT
No one knows or gives a shit what OMIT is because OMIT is nothing but Joey Q's petty revenge against all the people who criticized him. It does nothing except reinforce the status quo OMD created and for you to think anyone is stupid enough to think it makes any difference tells me the people Quesadilla pays to defend his honor online are complete retards and he should save his money for something more productive.

>>154643174
I’m not defending him, I’m only saying that OMIT is the “official” explanation because even Joe Quesada’s death cult realize that OMD is fucking toxic to the franchise. OMIT is what rancid faggots like Dan Slott and Joe Kelly want to be the official story.

They just can’t make it so because everyone could tell OMIT was fucking worthless and thought Dr. Strange erasing everyone’s memories for Peter was just shit the MCU made up themselves.

>>154643130
Funny because they insisted on going forward with OMD because Slott claimed Red States wouldn't accept a divorced Spider-Man

>>154643220
>I’m only saying that OMIT is the “official” explanation
It doesn't work because it

1) Makes zero sense and is totally convoluted.
2) OMIT is completely forgotten by everyone except Quesada and his tiny clique of ballwashers. Even among comic nerds.

>>154640509
>but it’s something that had to be done for the Spider-Man mythos to continue for the next readers who are coming in.
Then why do they hate it too, Joe?

>>154643130
Holy obsessed lmao

>>154643248
>had to be done for the Spider-Man mythos to continue for the next readers who are coming in.
Right, because it's impossible to explain to someone "Spider-Man got married to his love interest a while back." It has nothing to do with Quesada being a control freak.

Miles marries MJ
Peter stays forever alone because muh dead aunt. funny, in the end he became Octavius.

>>154640509
That fan? Mr. Eoj Adaseuq

>>154643248
That's the funny part, the vast majority of people coming in, dislike OMD and think it was unnecessary. And in the time since, stuff got made that kept undermining every argument the OMD/BND crowd kept making

>>154643247
It’s absolutely retarded, yeah. But if you look at Dan Slott’s previous BND nostalgia throwback comic, you’ll note that the summary of the era only mentions Dr. Strange and OMIT, and not a fucking peep about any deals with Mephisto or OMD.

Mephisto was always just a retard who grants wishes while forgetting to actually ask for things in return.

>>154640509
He is just really really determined to believe that any criticism is again just the same 10 evil chuds on the internet that also ruined every movie of the last 10 years?

>>154643414
Rich Evans is the Most Powerful Evil Chud, going after Quesada

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>>154640509
>>154641222
>>154642722
Is it weird how Mephisto has never followed up on this at all? I can't see that he got anything out of that deal, nor did it lead to any malicious bigger better plans down the road. Seems out of character for the guy to show up to some humans he never met before and offered a deal to end their marriage perfectly clean with no catches at all and then actually perfectly held up his end of the bargain 100%.

Was this some scheme to make Peter eventually go evil?
Did Mephisto want to prevent a child from being born that might cause him some problems a few decades from now?
Does Aunt May's continued existence create misery in the human realm and Mephisto wanted that to continue for a few more years?
What's his angle here?! It makes no sense!

>>154643290
Do a Bendis and make MJ a lesbian. Good luck trying to retcon that.

>Becomes one of the worst received comics in history
>Becomes one of, if not the worst selling comic in history
>Brings Marvel even closer to bankruptcy
These stupid fucks never learn, do they?

>>154643501

that's what I hate at this point about OMD. Dumb retcons are whatever but it doesn't do any of the basic story beats of a deal with the devil!!

The mental gymnastics it takes to make OMD sound good or even just "not so bad" compared to simply telling the average person "it's a story where Spider-Man sells his marriage to the devil" is crazy.

>>154643711
Like, I already had a bad feeling about it when I saw ads for it in other comics, and I was 12 or so at the time. Even that young, I liked the marriage

If this was a real story about a deal with the devil, Aunt May would get hit by a truck the next day. You know, one of those consequences that out IQ genius Peter and EQ genius MJ would be able to think about during the 24 FUCKING HOURS they had to consider if a deal with the devil was a bad idea.
You can write a better story out of alphabet soup. Aunt May gets hit by a truck and gets isekeid into a whole adventure she has to save the souls of her idiot nephew and niece in law.

As is Mephisto still got the end result of what he wanted so whatever nonsense lawyer talk OMIT was supposed to accomplish did zilch. Mephisto still thumbs his nose at the OAA and got away with it.

And who says Mephisto did this just the one time? He could have an entire christmas tree of suffering baubles, souls screaming as he empowers himself unopposed doing this scheme again and again. Empowered by the continued soulmate suffering the deals bring.

>>154643640
You think they would have done that already, once a character is rewritten as gay, it becomes a hate crime to retcon that ever again.

>>154643896
Or she becomes completely senile and helpless while Peter cannot afford a nurse or a home for her, has to take her in, work from home while taking care of her 24/7. Causing him to give up his hero identity since he has no other means and no one else to help him take care of his aging, but completely helpless aunt.

Thus ruining his marriage, his comfortable home structure, and his ability to help others as a crime fighter. Also embitters him after a few years making him a meaner person.

>>154644011
MJ wouldn't leave him over this.

I think a big reason why the backlash to OMD has not subsided over the years is ironically one of the reasons why it was done in the first place, Spider-Man embodies America’s youth.
In OMD Peter essentially sacrificed his future to ensure that the previous generation can hang on for a few more years. Since he has made that sacrifice his life has barely progressed socially and professionally. He only got a brief respite when an older villain literally took over his life for a bit and left him a company, but that very same older villain later came back and destroyed it. To top it off he now has to deal with a bunch of diverse lower quality copycats who are essentially either attempts to replace him or to lessen his importance.

>>154643991
I honestly am surprised they haven't done that already.
It would be super easy to recontextualize some of the stuff between MJ and Gwen and pass it off as a budding romance killed(lol) too soon. Or even that all three were all in a full on relationship and was her girlfriend as well until Peter wanted to go exclusive.

>>154644081
Pairing MJ and BC together would mean there is effectively no reason at all why the throuple wouldn't happen.
I mean fuck you already sold his marriage to the devil, it's not like you give a rats about restraint Spoffice.

>>154643991
Then they will make peter a trans woman so miles can be the true spider-man

The essence of spider-man isn't youth, only desperate old farts going through midlife crisises think that. From the very beginning, Spider-man is about growing up. What's more grown up than starting a family?

>>154644325
Selling your unborn daughter to Satan to save your aunt

>>154644081
Now I want a story where Peter finds out that Gwen was about to leave him for MJ when the Green Goblin kidnapped her.

>>154644325
It's a philosophical debate that's been raging in Spoffice for decades, whether Spider-Man is a story about youth or responsibility, with the Spider-Man is youth crowd coming into power in the 90's.
Thing is it's antithetical to the character, he's growing up, growing up means accepting responsibility.
It's not about youth for the character, he was always reaching milestones graduating and moving on with life when stories had run their course, it's about the youth of the editors who don't want the changes they saw happen to 'their' Spider-Man when they were growing up.

If they wanted an evergreen youthful Spider-Man they could have just started a new ongoing, if it had an audience it would have continued to this day. But they wanted the mainline to reflect their vision, and so committed narrative murder on the characters to make it happen.

>>154640509
This literally never happened.

>>154640509
That fan's name? Mr. Gwen Schizo, from Poland.

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>>154643501
Any explanation Marvel gives that Mephisto somehow doesn’t have a claim to Peter’s soul seems hollow. Especially when pretty much every other character who has made a deal with him ends up with their soul being forfeit.

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>>154644666
>Any explanation Marvel gives that Mephisto somehow doesn’t have a claim to Peter’s soul seems hollow.
It's utterly fucking hollow. The only explanation is that Mephisto is simultaneously omnipotent and yet also utterly incompetent. He's a fucking idiot.
>AIEE! SISTER SORROW! FORGIVE ME! I'LL GIVE YOU YOUR FATHER'S SOUL BACK, JUST DON'T RAPE ME!!!

>>154640429
Weird how Joe was "inspired" to write a sequel no one wanted coincidentally after renewed vitriol online about it. Almost like the only reason he wants to do it is "win" the argument.

>>154644700
It's the only legacy he has left anymore, and its most famous manifestation was the manbunned pedophile, Paul Rabin.

>>154644700
>Almost like the only reason he wants to do it is "win" the argument.
Isn't that kind of how most comics are made now?

>>154640429
The funniest thing is that everyone thinks Joe Quesada is a divorced incel loser who wanted to take his personal frustrations out on the Spider-Man comic! But that couldn't be more wrong!

That was Zeb Wells instead!

>>154644753
I bet Zeb and Joe have a *lot* of really depraved and fucked up sex.

BRING BACK THE RADIOACTIVE SPIDER JIZZ, JOE!

>>154644696
Someone please sick a righteous and clever editorial back in place to whip powerlevelling writers to something sensible.

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Barely related, and feel free to call me a filthy casual, but there was something that got my question marks popping up years back: with Miles on 616 I thought that was the ticket for the allmighty office to keep Spider-Man an eternal bachelor. Seemed simple, Miles got a massive push even before the verse movies, why not use him as the young SM and move Peter forward. It's just that I find it hard to believe this ragebait marketing nonsense is THAT strong to keep OMD/OMIT canon going. Then again, Miles can't keep a gf as of late so what do I know, maybe the Parkerfication is going on right now under my nose.

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>>154640429
I will do nothing and continue not to buy anything from Marvel.

>>154640850
Because the modern industry is built on shellgames and illusions to protect its condition as a low oversight low effort playground for the manchildren who currently make modern comics inorder to let them pretend they're the next Chris Claremont or Jim Shooter while playing with the world's greatest actionfigure collection.

That's why they don't do that. It's why they don't fix distribution or visibility issues, it's why they stay low production rate, it's why they just endlessly jerk off onto pages month after month with their "new totally original game changing biggest twist event ever where nothing will be the same" stories that always cease to exist after their run, it's why they care more about cultivating an illusion of approval to show their bosses and stroke their egos on twitter, it's why they desperately try to pretend getting outsold by Manga is some whacky mysterious eastern magic they can't replicate, it's why they run comics barely reaching old era cancellation numbers and act like it's a huge victory, etc.

The entire thing is a gigantic dicksucking circle designed to let them keep tonguing their own holes without having to work hard or be told they can't do something they want to do or have to do something they don't want whenever possible.

The industry doesn't exist for the benefit of fans or readers, it exists to be the retirement home and playground of the people in it. You just pay for it.

>>154645068
Jim Shooter did absolutely nothing wrong.

>>154645088
Dubs of truth.

Jim coming out of retirement and being given absolute power over a major comic imprint for 4~+ years as batshit unlikely as that would be was essentially the only hope the industry had of unfucking itself but now that he's dead it's doomed.

The only thing that can save them now would be some even more whacky shit like a billionaire saying "I'm going to go 500 mil in the hole to rebuild a facsimile of the industry circa the 1980s in parallel" and that's even less fucking likely to happen

>>154644957
The people pushing for young peter don't like Miles but they can't get rid of him

My only consolation is that Tom Brevoort immediately tried to do BND for the X-Men post Krakora, and it became a massive steaming failure with collapsing sales because it turns out Spider-Man's success is solely through its strength as an IP rather than any actual talent going into Peter Parker's book.

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>>154641263
Imagine fucking up one of the greatest super heroes of all time and being the reason for comics as a whole going into the shitter. Imagine that your name is associated with the destruction of an entire medium that's a century old. This must keep him up at night.

>>154645210
I'll always be grateful to Zeb Wells and his character Paul for finally being the straw that broke these faggots' back.

They can't even blame Zeb for this. He wasn't talented enough to massage Nick Lowe's retarded editorial edicts into something vaguely workable.

>>154645210
What keeps him up at night is knowing he'll hear Rich Evans saying "Fuck you, Joe Quesada" in his dreams.

>>154645249
What's crazy is that they still had good will for years after OMD. When Nick Spencer's run started everyone was on board because they thought OMD would finally be reversed. Or when Dr.Strange was playing chess with Mephisto. Anything, but instead they just nothing but bank on Spider-Man's name selling books.
>>154645282
What Quesada hears in his nightmares.
https://youtu.be/Tv5GkIRqZF4

How many people legitimately just stopped reading comics because of how bad OMD was?

>>154645372
Look at how Ultimate Spider-Man effortlessly doubled the sales of the mainline. It was all disaffected Spider-Man fans who wanted an alternative and a clean break from OMD.

>>154640429
I didnt realize the picture was a vid. lol

Why does Mephisto exist without Faust anyway? Did Sacha Noam Baron Cohen ever ask himself this question considering his works in MCU?

>>154644580
Where do they even get the notion that it's about youth, his literal origin story is about him becoming the man of the house and taking on his Uncle Ben's role as the provider.

>>154640509
Man, Quesada can't even come up with new anecdotes to peddle.
I know I've seen this exact line farted out by him years ago.

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>100 people hate it
>1 guy likes it
>Yes, this proves my story was good actually. Bet you feel dumb now for making such a big deal about it

>>154647583
It's even funnier because it makes no logical sense someone would read OMD to get over a breakup. Like what was the takeaway there, "well at least I didn't make a deal with Mephisto to break up my relationship?"

>>154640429
kek :D

I love that DC is raping marvel

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>>154640429
Quesada would probably never take my advice, but if I was able to sit down and offer it to him I'd say this: do not make a sequel to OMD. Not because it'll make your haters mad, but because it'll make even more people hate you.

Right now, the one thing OMD has going for it is obscurity. When people find out about it they hate it based on the premise alone. The more attention that gets drawn to it, the more hate you'll get and the more infamous and reviled the story will be.

What you should be doing is quietly letting OMD fade into the background. Don't talk about it, don't reference it, don't remind people it exists, because that's the only way you have any redeeming legacy at all.

>>154649392
It would help if he had some humility, even feigned, like yes I know the first two had their problems, just let me at the wheel a THIRD fucking time I'll right the ship and you'll all love this change that's had close to two decades to justify itself.
By denying there were problems, just dancing around the mountains of issues you can point at, it shows he hasn't learnt a thing.

Likely it's to just kill MJ off, and he wants to time the run perfectly to be rid of her for at least a decade.

>>154640509
>the people that hate that story are all the same people using diffetrnt accounts and making things up!
>not me though!! I have talked with a trillion fans and they liked it. Why do they not show their support for it then? uhhhhhhhhhh

>>154640509
Can he elaborate about what was said in the 15 minutes that fan related to about a Faustian bargain that cost Spider-Man his wife, daughter and effectively his soul?

>>154640429
>brutally torpedoes Spidey's marriage
>inserts his daughter as a character into the storyline as a new love interest for Spidey
What did Joe Quesada mean by this?

Honestly, something I love about modern Spider-Man is that it’s so dogshit everyone headcanons them as married anyway and enjoying their life together

>>154649803
The entire franchise in all other more lucrative multi-media just ignores it, it's the bizarre rump state of the IP in flagrant denial.

>>154649639
>"I wasn't sure if it would work, but when I broke up with my girlfriend, my elderly aunt came back to life like nothing happened! I wouldn't have had the strength to do it if I hadn't read your comic."

>>154646543
My guess is it has to do with them having a superficial look at the struggles and screw-ups he does. It kind of also ties into Joe Quesada comparing Spider-Man to Archie and Charlie Brown and Brevoort's assertion that Spider-Man is about youth in an old blog post and in his Spider-Manifesto

>>154640429

doers quesada have any power to influence spider man currently?

its crazy just how much damage this dude has done to spider man as a whole and noone seems to want to tell him to fuck off

>>154652171
>doers quesada have any power to influence spider man currently?

Indirectly, because some of the people still at Marvel editorially were people who were willing to go along with OMD

>>154652255

ive never understood why he hates to see spider man happy, but even worse are those who willingly went along with the bullshit

>>154649675
Considering a huge part of his complexes around Spider-man are in part because he self-inserts as Peter I'm going to assume he wants to fuck his own daughter.

>>154652255
I c

>>154640429
Imagine all the goodwill they'd generate by retconning OMD and everything that came after.

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>>154653786
They're going to retcon Paul's death, he actually retired to Acapulco.

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>well you see a guy selling is marriage to satan really resonated well with men who went through a break up

>>154640429
i really don't care if they're married or not, just keep MJ as Venom forever.

>>154649392
It feels like Quesada and the OMD-defenders are still stuck in their 2000s mindset where Marvel could shit on everyone and get away with it. They don't seem to understand that even though the people who were upset in 2007 are still there to shit on Quesada and Marvel, there's now people in their 20s, people who were born in the 2000s, shitting on Marvel for OMD.

>>154654069
They thought that the younger generation would be happy to find out that Spider-Man sold his marriage to the devil.
I'm in my twenties, supposedly the target demographic, I grew up on the old animated series and Raimi movies. No Joe, I not appreciate nor do I thank you for what you fucking did. I can in a few clicks read all the classics and compare to the modern output.
You took out a load bearing wall and since then that office have been applying various sizes of stick trying to prop it up.

You fuckers can't even do love triangles and romance right, everything about Spider-Man's romantic relationships is so vapid and shallow by design which means they'll never have heart again.

>>154645183
That seems like an admission of Mephistowank judging from the fact that Miles made a deal with Mephisto to revive Kamala with no OMIT equivalent.

>>154654142
Load bearing wall is an interesting metaphor. She was after all in the Ditko run as apart of Aunt mays story. MJ is a big part of Spider Man, despite the misery they shovel on fans that hasnt channged.

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>>154641961
>>154642222
Legitimately Rich Evans shook Joe

>>154654069
They can technically "get away with it" now because comics are ridiculous small and niche that a tiny clique of people can run the big two with an iron fist. But the cost is their already low sales numbers bleeding out and good will for the company dwindles. People still love their IPs, but the actual comic books are making less and less money each year because they told their core audience to get fucked, and newcomers see how they treated their old fans and don't want to go through the same shit.

>>154652171
Cebulski and Brevoort are in the positions they are because of Quesada, they're his bitch boys. Even if Quesada no longer has direct power at Marvel, they still owe their current positions to him, and they know that, so they'll gargle whatever OMD jizz Joe Quesadilla wants to spray into their faces and they'll like it.

>>154640509
Why the fuck is he lying so hard?

>>154641499
It doesn't but it sounds good as a headline for an article no one will read.

>>154640509
What he didn't mention is the "fan" was Dan Slott and it was immediately after he got done blowing Joe.

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>>154641961
>>154645210
>>154654810
Joe consider this a warning before i send rich evans to destroy you for good

>>154654848
It also needs to be pointed out, Quesada basically saved Cebulski's ass over the Akira Yoshida thing and prevented him from getting fired back in the day

>>154649392
>one thing OMD has going for it is obscurity
The Rich Evans clip where he talked about how OMD ruined comics for him went viral a few months ago and now everyone knows about OMD.

>>154654920
>"Just fackin' fix Spiderman so Rich can shut up already! I don't have time for this!"

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>>154654953
>>154654920
>You've only seen a fraction of his power, Joe. He shook you to your core, but to me it was nothing. At a moment's notice, I can let go of his leash, and everything you've ever loved will be sold to Mephisto to keep my 101 year old aunt alive for another week.

>>154653786
Which is exactly why they won't do it. Quesada and his lackies are addicted to ragebaiting.

>>154654953
Anyone got a clip of it?

>>154655103
Timestamped for you
https://youtu.be/mzFMJgWklz4?t=3051

I missed responding to a post in the other thread, someone said
>>154647705
>If Disney wanted them gone they'd be gone.
>Instead, the only people fired were the ones that cared and had their roles made redundant. Like, how the fuck does White still have a job.

While it's true the wrong editors got fired, the really major part was that two longtime mainstays of Marvel staff (Buckley and Gabriel) were also being let go as well

The impression I get from Perch's videos is that even if some of them survive the layoffs, they are probably worried they'll be caught in the next one (Perch has said he heard from a lot of people from Marvel that Brevoort freaks out every time an executive meeting is announced)

>>154655312
Well if they're worried they got a funny way of showing it. Issue 1000 would have been THE time. They couldn't ask for a better milestone.

How would you even fix OMD? It's not just the initial event but two decades of character assassination for Peter and MJ.

>>154656212
At this point, Marvel needs a Crisis-like reset, anyway. Doing one and would erase One More Day and everything else, though I wouldn't trust current Marvel to get the tone right for a reset, anyway. Projects like Batman Year One were lightning in a bottle.

>>154656234
Secret Wars 2 wouldve been the best time for that but they just made things more complicated.

>>154644957
Someone shop the Rich Evans Napoleon picture into the painting frame please.

>>154656212
Simple: make it so Peter is dying due to the magic fuckery and about to lose his soul. The deal has to be undone by defeating Mephisto. Once the deal is undone, time is altered. Aunt May can die or survive (doesn't matter to me), MJ and Peter were married but divorced, but also they have a daughter, just like in Spider-Verse.

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>>154656212
>>154656234
I would do an event where Mephisto cashes in on all the deals he’s accumulated over the years in order to supplant The One Above All and once he’s defeated it causes a reset.

>>154656333
The best part of the story is Peter would have to deal with the fallout of his secret identity being nationally known again after that was completely undone. Basically one giant, satisfying "fuck you" to how OMD was basically an easy deus ex machina for the consequences of Peter's actions.

>>154656212
Aunt May looks at some family photos and realises she has never looked better, something stinks. Medicine can’t explain it, goes to a magic doctor.
Dr Strange realises he has been had and the memory replacement spell has been twisted and used to run cover for Mephistos deal, which he has been doing enmasse for years accumulating power off the misery he joyfully inflicts on the globe. Aunt May elects to die so that the souls of her son and daughter in law can be saved, writes them a long letter saying she loves them but is furious for what they have done, and she will be rooting for them from wherever she goes next.
Big arc where Mephisto gets got, possibly Mayday is involved, Strange reflects on the ethics of removing people’s memories enmasse whilst Peter’s identity is made public as the deal must have every anchor undermined. ASM has consequences again, MJ and Peter have an extremely heavy hitting talk where they realised how badly they fucked up and how Mephisto has been in their heads for years, Peter’s new life is in the public eye with MJ for actually new stories. My god this status quo is bad.

>>154655054
many can handle the sheer power that is internet superstar rich evans

>>154656212
Let Putin invade Poland alongside Germany and bury the victims as christians which in turn would create a greater Russia. Retcon the MJ since #418 as a Mephisto construct where the real one was sent into a water capsule that has kept her alive while being unconscious in a realm within Yellow Door under the jurisdiction of One Below All. Reveal that One Below All's real name was Faust. Let Mephisto and Faust be defeated which would activate a killswitch that would potentially turn all multiverse refugees that enter 616 as a sleeper agents who could revive them. The first said sleeper agent would be Miles Morales. To be continued.

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>>154640429
>>154640509
I don't care.

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>>154640429
>Marvel: "Oh, jeez. I really want Peter Parker and Maryjane Watson to be separated and undo the last 20 years of their relationship, but I'm not creative or talented enough to go about it. Oh, how about a character that isn't a Sider-man premier character does a magic thing that nobody in the entirety of the 616 universe noticed because it's convenient for what I want to happen