>two characters get paired up together>their kids look like they could be their clones despite the couple looking dramatically different from one anotherUnoriginal and rarely happens IRL, just come out and say you have no creativity.
>>154648715It's cheap and easy.
I hate straight characters breeding in general
>>154648715>Unoriginal and rarely happens IRLBut it does lmaoDominant gene expression is a big thing with even human appearance. It's like 50/50 whenever I meet someone and see their parents that they will look like the double of one of them, with I myself being almost like a clone of my own father whose the double of his father.
>>154648748OP didn't say it doesn't happen, though. Mixed race offspring would probably be the closest IRL example to his point.
>>154648730Lol, faggot
>>154648730based
>>154648765>Mixed race offspring would probably be the closest IRL example to his point.That kinda makes sense if you live in a melting pot area I suppose
Amysisters......
Thread is young so it's time to bring up that in the original version of this story, Sally married Shadow and Sonic was forced to move on. Ian Flynn is a huge Sonally shipper so he rewrote the story so that Shadow is evil and married Sally for political reasons.This is confirmed in the Shadow Files which contains the original script for the story. Because of this, Penders alleges that Flynn stole his plot and took credit.Before the inevitable argument. Sega confirmed 1 thousand times that Sonic the Hedgehog has no interest in marriage. This is an Archie Sonic thread so you will see people argue about this
>>154648792>blackedsally
>>154648748We don't talk about african people here. :^)
>>154648792SONIC THE KEKHOG
>>154648715It's very boring considering in the cartoon Sally originated from, Sonic had siblings that looked completely different from him. His kids could've inherited different colors or spikes/hair, or they could've at least made an effort to make them look like a mix between the two
>>154648792>>154648798>>154648805For the record, that isn't a joke. Ken's new book contains an unedited series of stories explaining how Sally and Sonic's relationship was doomed, Elias would die, Sally would move on to Shadow and have 3 kids with him in a conflict free marriage.Sally's father would even try to kill Sonic.This is literally all real. This is the direction the book would have headed if Ian Flynn never joined Sonic
>>154648838>Sonic's relationship was doomedI mean the relationship is gone by the end of Archie so duh
>>154648792>>154648838This is why the archie comics are shit, all this retarded soap opera drama shit
>>154648715Mixbreeds are very hard to do if you have no taste. Giving a hedgehog a squirrel's tail and a chipmunk a fox's tail is often times grounds for ugly abominations, however I do agree that they didn't even attempt to give the GODDAMN BABY thin eyebrows like a baby is supposed to have or no eyebrows. Archie Sally is the ugliest abomination I've ever seen and she looks like her brother in a wig. Sonic kissed and married her brother.I think the correct way to do "mixbreeds" would be like pic related. Where it isn't even a real hybrid, but it does have certain traits that differ from the original parent design.Whos kid do you think of when you look at this image?
Ken Penders is a faggot, who gives a shit what he says.
>>154648838Maybe dont try to put the adventurous speedster who only wants adventure in a fucking marriage if you don't want to get raped by mandates
>>154648858Is this the aifaggot that was spamming his shitty OC nonsense on /co/
>>154648866Because it explains why the King Shadow story is so random and abrupt. It also explains why Sally's attitude suddenly changes when Ian shows up
>>154648715I'm the spitting image of my father and my sister looks like my mother did at ther age so it seems fine
Shocking news: Sonally breaks the author's intent behind the characters in every possible way
>>154648858Yeah see? now this is a good design unlike >>154648715 literal tiny Sonic and literal Sally. Why don't they just allow artists to come up with their own designs on the spot instead of first having to approve a design and have to take it through numerous jewish guidelines?
>>154648906It's okay, Sally fucked half the kingdom and had kids of every species
>>154648900And me and my brother look nothing like my father and nothing like my mother so it's not fine.Brown people that look the same with everyone do not count.
>>154648902Sally existing breaks the author's intent, because every plot related to her is the dumbest shit.
>>154648838There is literally nothing surprising about the original draft. The idea that Sally would wait for true love is nonsense. She literally never acted like that.
>>154648715I call this Pokemon genetics.
>>154648879Have you ever made AI art yourself to be able to talk about it?
>>154648928What? You didn't like having more stories about princess drama queen fucking more guys? I bet the next book will say she had a relateiru Knuckles too
>>154648930Sally and Shadow being together is retarded. But most of the writing in Archie comics is. Its just the most retarded and needless drama with terrible OCs.
>>154648715>two characters get paired up togetherThey’re completely different species so it makes imagining the crossbred mutt way more difficult.Needs to be the same
I think Tails and Minas kids had a similar problem, but they had their own stylized looks so it was handled better. I think idk its been forever.
>>154648934So it is your art then, which is why you are jumping to getting defensive. Quit being an attention-whore.
>>154648715And this is why anime is superior.
>>154648947It really isn't surprising if you look at the overly militant way Sally acted pre-Ian. She was kind of insufferable
>>154648947It's hilarious and proof this comic should have never existed. I cannot believe we live in a world where Sonally was the result of a shipperfag rerwriting the story
>>154648957Shartyfag. We got a shartyfag here. You doing anything with that dox, kiddo? Why isn't 4chan yours yet, kid? So much for doxxing fixing anything. C'mon you know his address to go him, why won't you go to him?
>>154648958Isn't Naruto 2 fucking terrible, created by a pedophile who hates breasts and thus draws all the returning milf characters as flat-chested uggos while dressing Salad like an absolute whooooooooooore
Shipping Sonic with anyone is a humiliation ritual
>>154648771Kys
>>154648975This is the weakest attempt at throwing out an unrelated buzzword I've ever seen.
>>154648981>>154648957Are you from the Sharty like that anon said you are? Your talking points seem very familiar to the basedjak party and considering this is a Sonic thread we have a lot of underage in here especially from Tamers.
>>154648958Kys, faggot
>>154648947I hope someone uploads the full book because Shadow is so obnoxiously in love with Sally it feels like a parody. It's actually the most melodramatic overly romantic garbage I have ever seen in my life
I hope you didn't mean Boruto as a good example.>>154648950>>154648958Yeah creating muttbabies is a very hard thing to do design wise to actually make it look good. We don't call them mutts instead of hybrids for nothing.Now this on the other hand >>154648858 could work even without the fur patterns by simply giving some inspired clothes the other parents wore and changing the expressions to immediately show off the personality. Giving the parents' clothes while lazy is the simpler better option than giving them the same exact hairstyle, face, etc.
>>154649000Penders literally always wrote this way.
>>154648981>>154648975>>154648957Are you from the Sharty?
>>154649017And Penders is a terrible writer as well as super autistic about taking others characters but not letting anyone touch his "original" characters.
>>154648950that baby looks angry
>>154649030Be fair. None of the Archie writers are good. At least with Penders you get funny shit
Yep that's an underage third worlder Shartyfag that's why he won't answer.
>>154649030He is a fucking psychopath. He says because Ian rewrote his Shadow Sally story that means he gets to publish Shadow's entire Archie history legally. He is fucking insane. Maximum autist.
>>154649039All mutts are angry.
How is Penders legally able to publish a book about Shadow the Hedgehog?
>>154648715>>two characters get paired up together>>their kids look like they could be their clones despite the couple looking dramatically different from one another>Unoriginal and rarely happens IRL, just come out and say you have no creativity.The alternative is being honest about what having children does: kid gets a chromosome from each parent and the more different the parents, the more variation in the result. The last part makes people uncomfortable. Using aliens or furries or whatever should produce either abominations, miscarriage, babies that die soon after birth or superior hybrids that gradually replace the orginals. All of that makes people uncomfortable. That discomfort could also be seen as a negative comentary on real mixed race marriages and children.So its easier to just give the fictional character with genetics that favor or bias a child in one genetic way or another. So if you have a fox and a rabbit have babies, the chromsomes favor whichever path produces a whole baby animal and doesnt mix the DNA of the parents if it might cause early child mortality. This is one of the few problems with furry content in normal media. How do you push the progressive ideals of tolerance and love in a work of fiction where the fantasy couplings should produce weird little hob goblin mixed children?We want to say mixed kids are lovely, but would a shark turtle or hedgehogchipmonk really be beutiful? What if the organs develop wrong and the baby dies in the fiest 4 months of birth?
>>154649058Sega is too retarded to sue properly or break his arms. You heard of Randy Pitchford?Unlike most cowards here Penders takes every C&D letter he gets from Sega and eats them with his beans and pork.
Penders is the best writer Sonic comics ever had. We still talk about his stuff. Ian can never write the characters with their video game personalities and the new ones he makes for them are either boring or annoying. Penders was so off the mark that it was funny to read
>>154648838Ken is so fucking weird
>>154649075He is making people but a literal Shadally fanfic for money I feel like Sega should step in now
>>154649076FLEETWAY IS THE BEST WRITER SONIC COMICS EVER HAD
Who's stupid idea was turning a Sonic comic into a romantic drama
Oh I am saving that one because it's so true. Feel free to spread it around.
>>154649111Its the same reason capeshit is like that, there's just something about that sort of comic writer that makes them resort to that style of cheap drama.
>>154648947>Sally and Shadow being together is retarded. But most of the writing in Archie comics is. Its just the most retarded and needless drama with terrible OCsShadow has always been retarded. He is as bad as the orginal characters archie comics added. Just the japanese attempt to add drama in much the same way archie comics did. The whole thing with robotnik's neice and her death and either sonic or shadow being clones of some perfect being are all just as stupid.
>>154649111>>154649119Also, most Sonic writers with the exception of Ian were mad they're stuck with shit like Sonic and wish they could write for Hollywood.
>>154648947Sally and Shadow are both edgy dramatic tone deaf characters who cause the story to be about gloomy sci-fi shit
>>154649116How the fuck did we end up in a situation where this isn't a joke or exaggeration
>>154649043>Be fair. None of the Archie writers are good. At least with Penders you get funny shitEh, mechamadness was pretty good. And the first 10 issues that mix the two cartoons is aight. Though all of that was just bread and butter cartoon stuff that kids like.
>>154648730how do you think you were born you turbo-gaylord?
>>154648715family guy did it better
3 kids he said. Sonic only had two and they were twins
>>154649116>Slant eyes on suicide watch>Yanks on suicide watchBritish piece of shits are ruling.
Thank God Penders doesn't know who Silver is.
>>154648715
>>154649161Happy we now know this is Ian Flynn seething at s story that was going to kill his childhood otpArchie was trash
>>154649134Welcome to hell
>>154649161Who didn't Sally fuck
>>154649160No one does.
>>154649184(You)
>>154648715These aren't the only kids, anon. These are the ones who survived.
>>154649161The comic now makes even less sense than Pender's version because Shadow is evil for no reason and suddenly okay with political marriage. Why didn't they just drop it entirely?
>>154649184Silver
>>154649191I lost
>>154649116Why did he post Harry Potter?>Fleetway Editions was a prominent UK-based comic and magazine publishing company, formed in 1991 when Egmont UK acquired Fleetway Publications and merged it with London Editions. Best known for publishing Sonic the Comic and licensed video game adaptations, the brand was eventually phased out into Egmont in the early 2000sClever girl.
>>154649184never forget
>>154649199Mentally retarded lazy Flynn. >Why bother making a good story from the groundup? Let's do what we've been doing and edit somebody else's story/IP. And then attempt to do damage control for said IP that doesn't belong to us.It's the same question you ask "Why don't you write an original book instead of fanfiction?"
>>154648730I personally find the whole concept of consenting individuals firing DNA at each other to be offensive.
>>154649229>>154649099Stop making me laugh so much you bastards.
>>154649224Let's give Ian Flynn the benefit of the doubt. The Shadow marrying Sally part was planned. Penders wanted it to be a happy marriage with children. That sounds weird for Shadow. Shadow being a married king in any level is retarded. We have to assume Ian was stuck with the skeleton of the story because the entire concept is unworkable unless you go full retard like Ken did. Ian only went half retard so instead we get Shadow being randomly evil for no reason as opposed to Shadow the happy father of 3.
>>154648715Just hire these "schizos" as today's generation calls artists who are a little out there ... despite these ideas being infinitely more impressive than what Penders and Flynn ever did.https://www.deviantart.com/msp169/favourites/82322580/sonic-skyline-comichttps://www.deviantart.com/sonicprimearena/gallery
>>154648715>sonic looks just like his father minus the extra bit of hair at the top>sally looks just like her mother
>>154649285Am I the only one who thinks it's outstandingly immature of Ian to take the King Shadow story and flip it on its head so Shadow is evil just so he can rescue Sonally? Sonally would be killed by Sega anyways in the next few years. This was a pointless exercise. The King Shadow story in the published version of Archie is straight up garbage. It would have been retarded either way but at least Penders's version would have had a semblance of a plot
>>154649337Ian was the one who made that Future noncanon anyway so it was basically pointless. Gotta make sure this alternate universe Sonic and Sally get together before worrying about the shitheap of a main story you’re bungling
>>154649346>Gotta make sure this alternate universe Sonic and Sally get together before worrying about the shitheap of a main story you’re bunglingWhat the actual fuck is wrong with non-computer geeks? This is why serious companies never hire you. Everything you do is for ego-tripping and "proving a point" no matter how redundant and senseless it is. You're just as dumb as the football jocks, dysgenic bullies and homeless people you make fun of.Computer nerds truly are the only ones you can depend on cause their autism always asks them "for what purpose?" unlike pretend artist geeks.
>>154649323Like you, Sonic Skyline AI shill? You're a schizo.
>>154649436And you're a primitive as they call them. You'll return us to the dark ages where a talking hedgehog is black magic.
>>154648730You should kill your family and then yourself.
Why?
>>154648838Nothing about this is real. It's just some addition no better than a twitter post. If it's not in the comic it doesn't count.
>>154649395Nta but what are you talking about? That guy is mocking Ian's decision to decanonize Light Mobius and rendering the entire story inconsequential. It's now just a wiki entry with no themes
>>154648715>racemixing
>>154649531Anon that's literally the problem. The set up for it is entirely in the comic. Ian just managed to cut it off after Penders left. Hope being set up as a Maria clone is in the comic. Sally meeting Shadow and inviting him into the castle is in the comic. The King Shadow story is a reworked version of the Penders story. Ian made Shadow evil in a last minute attempt to shut down the path.Penders is not smart enough to remember Shadow's personality and rewrite it for his fraft. It reads exactly as if it was written 20 years ago before he left.
>>154648715The final chapter of Keyman inverts this t-rex detective and catgirl reporter remarried and have kids. Daughter is t-rex and son is catboy
>>154649161Archie's incidentals are better looking than IDW's.
>>154649161ANTI-SHADOW FAKE NEWS
Might as well also carry this complaint to Butch Hartman too.
>>154649531The way it's written you can tell Penders is unfortunately being honest. If he had written it recently he would have attempted to legitimize it by including stuff from after he left, instead it is written as if nothing after the early 2000s exists.
You cannot imagine the catastrophic damage that would have been done to the Sonic fandom if Penders's version of Archie made it to completion
>>154649683Why won't Timmy wish his wife's poor eyesight away?
>>154648715>IDWtrannies are so desperate for a win that they've started pretending anything penders wrote is worth giving a shit about Run along back to your crying lesbians
>>154649683>happy ending like-father-like-son decanonised>timmy the hairy loser is recanonisedGrim
>>154649742Ian Flynn wrote the page you're insulting. Penders didn't even want Sonic and Sally together
>>154649742At least Tangle and Whisper are in-character and fulfill their purposes as characters. Sally Acorn and Sonic's relationship is the reason Sonic Team has so many pissy mandates. Great job Archie faggots you couldn't even stay on BRAND for a BRAND MASCOT
>>154649776Is that why he made her fuck half the male cast?
>>154649776>Penders didn’t want Sonic and Sally together>so he made a future storyline where Sonic and Sally were married and had kids
>>154649815The timeline goes something like this Everything in this section is still in Archie>Penders continues to write Sally and Sonic at odds with each other. Sally wants order and seriousness and Sonic wants to be a free spirit>Sally dies in issue 50 >Editorial request to revive her. Penders brings her back but pairs her with other characters because he believes she is a poor fit for Sonic>Sally protects Shadow from Sonic>Attempt to pair them back again in time for the anniversary issue>Bollers breaks them up again because he wanted Sonic to be with Amy >Hope is now established to look identical to Maria by Bollers>Penders starts planting the seed for his new plot where Hope is Maria's clone (Left unresolved outside of Penders's new book>Penders attempts to play up Sally's ruthlessness and seriousness while also Sonic's freedom and joyfulness At this point, Penders quits the comic and Ian joins. Ian is a huge Sonally fan so he would end up undoing most of the damage Penders did here Everything after this point is from the Shadow files >Shadow discovers Hope is in fact a clone of Maria, he doesn't care>Elias is killed by Dr. Eggman. This puts Sally's family on the warpath against Eggman>Shadow ends up aligned with Sally, but he doesn't become evil or warmongering, his only priority is protecting Sally for some reason>King Acorn snaps, attempts to have Sonic executed for acting against the state>It becomes Sonic and the freedom fighters vs Shadow and the acorn family as the Acorn family becomes increasingly dangerous in their attempts to attack Eggman>Alternate Future timeline starts here>This future is the canon future according to Penders>Sonic awakens, he finds that Sally has three daughters, one is a girl named Maria who resembles Shadow. Shadow and Sally speak nicely to each other>Sonic sees that Sally is happy now. He wonderrs about how wrong it would be to chase her nowAnything past this point is unresolved
>>154649862There is really no good explanation for it other than he changed his mind. Sonic and Sally aren't happy together in the future while Shadow and Sally get along like a cartoonishly happy couple.
>>154649862Two possibilities. Either Penders is fucking insane and spent years developing a relationship he intended to eliminate or he is lying and he is only saying that now because the Sonic fandom at large blames him for making Sonic uncharacteristically romantic and he wants to claim he had nothing to do with that.
>>154649893Sally's absolute rotten behavior across the early 2000s being the set up for a Shadally endgame is the funniest news of 2026
>>154649893If Penders never left, this is what we would get and he wouldn't have sued. Either way Archie was doomed. It was either this autism or it gets rebooted.
>>154649893Sonally is literally just the result of a fan who grew up with the comic changing the existing drafts my fuckign sides
>>154649170>>154649199>>154649224My understanding of his early run, going off the BumbleKast and some forum posts of his that i read years ago, the first year or so of Ian's run was him following along with his Editor's and the SoA licensor rep's demands. Wrapping up a bunch of plot threads, killing off a bunch of characters, reducing the number of emeralds, the shit they did to Charmy, the Sonic vs. Tails thing, etc.Doing more 25YL with King Shadow was pushed by the editor, who previously rejected Ken's pitch
>>154649978Not to mention the elephant in the room: Penders would have to bring in Silver and Blaze at some point. Imagine that shitshow.
>>154650001Why in gods name did they keep the literal worst element of the future Shadow story and discard the rest? Why not discard the whole thing? Nobody wants a retarded evil king Shadow
How did the cartoon, with a rewrite halfway in, handle Sonally so much better than a comic?
>>154650022Mature writers who don't look like Billy Bob milking the cow at 4AM.
>>154650022It's simple. Very simple. Sonally in the cartoon is very similar to what Sonouge is now. Sally isn't Rouge and Satam Sonic insn't JP Sonic but it was a flirty dynamic. They made out but they were not dating.On top of that, Satam Sally is not dramatic or violent. She is serious and she doesn't enjoy Sonic's silly antics, but she isn't what Archie Sally is. Satam Sally wouldn't slap Sonic. She WOULD flirt with other guys but that's because their relationship isn't set in stone. Archie Sally would make out with other guys while already dating Sonic. Satam Sally was largely written by one person. Archie Sally was tossed between people.SataM Sally is written around Sega of America's outdated lore. She is built for one specific setting. Archie Sally exists in a world that kept getting hit with sega mandates to be closer and closer to the games. Satam Sally only addressed the concept of romance with Sonic three times. For Archie Sally it's basically the bulk of her character.
>>154650019>Shadow stuff is bringing in numbers>make Shadow the villain in the new XYL, kids love Shadow
>>154650062Well that was a stupid move considering the way Shadow fans feel about that version of Shadow
>>154650019Shadow is a marketable fan favorite character. Plus I assume the 25YL stories sold well enough, because even by mid-2012 they saw no problem with compiling them all together into a single magazine issue
I finally started rereading Archie recently and I’m very glad I started at Scourge, because, despite the legions of Arin-Hanson-war-on-autism-type detractors that I’ve been very vocal against, Archie Sonic actually is pretty questionable. The art and some of the characters are both really discohesive with the core identity of the series. Trying to turn Sonic into a creepy 20th-century funny animal comic for 100+ issues and ALSO hire some insane redneck to be responsible for bringing it up to speed with the games’ more serious storytelling was a bad move that might never be undone. I’m glad IDW is coming back with another great new villain so that we will have at least one really good Sonic comic still.
>>154650059 (ME)Bonus round. If Penders's Shadow files are to be believed then he was deliberately sabotaging Sonic and Sally's dynamic in favor of Shadow. Meanwhile Sega was not a fan of it either way. These two forces wouldn't become an issue until Ian was about two years into his run
>>154648792>Shadow turns evil out of fucking nowhere
>there are anons on this board defending penders what the fuck happened to this place
>>154648715It could be worse.
Anyone else remember when you could search "Sonic the Hedgehog" in google images and the top result was Sonic clapping Tails?
>>154650113Actually in the Penders version of the story, Shadow doesn't turn evil, he aligns with the Acorn family to pursue Eggman and protect Sally. Sally's father is the one who turns evil and Sally just continues down her militant path she was already going down at that point. Much of Ian's writing was basically fixing what Penders was turning Sally into. A Shadow cumbucket.
>>154648715The whole point of species is that they do not interbreed, each species reproduces with their own kind. "Half-breed" or "cross-breed" individuals sometimes happen, but are usually sterile or otherwise incapable of reproducing.The problem with "funny animal" comics like STH is that you're trying to create a world where:>Multiple intelligent species exist.>Members of different species can crossbreed.>The distinctiveness of each species is somehow preserved over the generations and not merged into a single mongrel species mixing the various traits of its progenetors.Usually, the way cartoonists do it is assume that a crossbreed child is of either the father or mother's species, as in pic related. Maybe it has superficial markings of the other species to denote its half-and-half heritage, but genetically it's either one or the other.
>>154650074I wanna say that the main draw-in is mostly to see your favorite characters acting all cool and epic, regardless of canon personality, but the Sonic and King Shadow fight just looks hilariously pathetic
>>154650176Damn Sonic isn't going to get grandkids.
I might be supremely retarded because I think there is a way Penders's Shadow Sally story could have worked.Sally getting fed up with Sonic as he gravitates closer to his video game counterpart makes sense. Who the fuck would want to date a guy who acts like that? Sally falling for Shadow who she might see as an idealized serious mission oriented Sonic sounds believable.What does NOT sound believable is Shadow falling for her, pumping her full of babies and becoming king. That just sounds like Penders's obsession with cucking Sonic. There's going to be jokes about how Penders was finally freeing Sonic from the mischaracterization of Archie. I promise you that's not what would happen. Ken Penders literally didn't know anything about Sonic's personality from the video games. Ian Flynn was an objective improvement in that regard and so is IDW as a whole. That's just a fact. Penders could have had something but he's just a petulant manchild cashing in on what's left of his legacy. Spiting Sega and Ian because he can't let the past go. That's all this is. He's a bad guy. The worst.
>>154650189I like seeing Sonic getting beat down like a bitch.
>>154650254I can see it being a one sided temporary thing. Sally moves on fast. The only issue here is you're imagining Sally if she was interacting with Game!Shadow. Archie Shadow was a lot nicer. Also Ken Penders didn't know a damn thing about Shadow either.
>>154650254Sally isn't the issue. It's in her character to explore different guys. Shadow is completely butchered by both Flynn and Penders
penders really be like oh no people forgot the last controversial thing i did time to pour gasoline on all my controversies again
Reminder that Sonic 2 is worse than Sonic 1. Blame the rushed development, the lack of Naoto Oshima, and Sega choosing to make it an easier game for more casual audiences.
>>154650440Yuji Naka doesn't have enough self awareness to make good games without Oshima
>>154650408I fortunately Archie and Ken Penders are forever linked
>>154650450>>154650440>Official Sonic games>goodOnly Advance is good. Even as a child I knew Sonic was babyshit and 3D sonic makes me laugh how pathetic the engine is, it feels like a fangame.Saying Sonic has good games is like saying Pokemon has good combat.
>>154650297Goodness knows he deserved it. If only every character he wronged got to have their turn
>>154650516Whoa
>>154650516>Sonic>babyshitI dunno dude, have you played 2D Mario games post-NSMB? Wonder is insultingly easy.
>>154650547Both are babyshit
>>154650584I disagree, at least for SMB2J and S3&K. Both offered the right amount of challenge for their series.
>>154650547Wonder made me realize I'm too old to enjoy Mario games.
>>154650597Nu-Mario yeah, but 4th gen Mario and below are still great games.
>>154649862>Shadow fucks Sally like a black guy outta Jail and Sonic gets cuckedThey dont call him Chadow for nothing
>>154650597For me it was Captain Toad. I really like the concept but the levels are embarrassingly easy and short.
>>154648748That's because the DNA is shit from retarded poor actions and didn't recombine well
Nice to know what Naoto Oshima was doing after finishing Sonic CD and before starting on Nights into Dreams. It was a Saturn fighting game that got cancelled
>>154650635A black chad is called Tyrone.Sally having a spade tattoo is cursed.
>>154650450Naka did a worse job as programmer in Sonic 2. It's more unpolished than the first one
>>154650440>>154650450>>154650794Sonic is just a cursed series, theres something wrong mentally with nearly everyone who works on it.
>>154648748As usual, /co/ defends lack of originality.
>>154650201He might, it's just that half of them will be ground squirrels (that is Sally's species, right?) instead of hedgehogs.
>>154650059....Sonouge?
>>154651026Sonic x Rogue?
>>154651060Yeah, but...when did Sonic and Rouge make out?
>>154650763Shadow is Tyrone then.
>>154651026>>154651060>>154651071Sonic never made out with Rouge, even Sonic isn't that edgy.
>>154650635No one calls him that.
>>154648824>It's very boring considering in the cartoon Sally originated from, Sonic had siblings that looked completely different from him.Sally wasn't in Underground
>>154651141Makes you wonder why they never hooked up though. Sonic and Rouge are kinda alike.
>>154651171Rouge is actually real edgy.Sonic is safe poseur edgy.
>>154651183Rouge is the real wind.Sonic is some spoiled richkid college douche who tells people he’s a rebel who don’t abide by society’s rules, maaan. And the most he means by that is just empty words and posturing and sniffing his own farts.
>>154651171Rouge is a high-society femme fatale and a secret agent, Sonic is borderline homeless by choice and represents free reigning nature
>>154648730I appreciate the honesty even though I disagree. This trope is my jam
>>154651208Now now, Sonic actually contributes to society and fights the power.Richkid college douches just say we can fight the man, maaan, by legalizing weed and mexicans.
>>154651216Yeah, but they both have a "whatever, who gives a fuck" attitude about things. They might make for a decent couple.
>>154651216Sonic represents a safe marketable cerealbox mascot intended for a primary audience of 6 year olds, saying generic empty oneliners and stuffing his cartoon mouth with hotdogs. Sonic Team themselves tell one another he is safe edgy.
>>154651255No they don’t, at all. Sonic’s whole thing is being an extremely typical dogooder protagonist hero.Furtive example: Sonic threw a hissyfit at Rouge in Sonic Battle for robbing from a jewelry store because that’s breaking the heckin law. Rouge doesn’t give a fuck about that, Sonic does because he’s all just empty words.
>>154648792>>154648838Most likely to move them off the board so that Knuckles/Knuckle's daughter could be the real heroes so he could finally publish the full story he'd been using the Knuckles comic to Trojan Horse into print.
>>154648715Sonic wishes that would happen
Another reminder that none of this would have happened if ABC had just gone with DiC's original pitch.
>>154648748more common from grandparent to grandchild in my experience, i don't look like either of my parents all that much aside from complexion and eye/hair color
>>154651319wtf shes cute
>>154651315Penders: Okay, here's my script for the Princess Sally sequel mini-series.Archie:... Ken. Is this page suppose to be implying that Sally just had sex with this skunk?Penders: Yep! I bet THAT'LL knock a certain blue speedster down a couple 'a pegs.Archie: Look. We turned a blind eye to all the weird shit you're doing in the Knuckles book, but we are NOT having our CHILDREN'S' COMIC BOOK feature an implied sex scene with a grown man and a teenager!Penders: Well, she's not TECHNICALLY underage. In SQUIRREL years, she's actually...Archie: Get the fuck out of here before we burn your contract.
>>154651183Being a whore is not edgy.
>>154651387Stealing and breaking the law and doing whatever you want is edgy.Giving faggy narcissistic lectures to people about how you’re a hero of freedom and stuffing your face with hotdogs is not.
>>154651144I do
>>154648798Shadow isn't a nigger.
>>154651368Nice LARP. Penders quit himself over not wanting to adapt SA2. He’d canonised Sally x Geoffrey for years and Sega nodded along
>>154651427Which is why it ... didn't happen. But trust me bro he always wanted to tell that story, and he was about to and Sega was convinced!
>>154651422Poor Shadow.
>>154651427Buddy, the joke is that Archie would have never let him put out a book that implied their underage female lead character was having causal sex. They made children's comics with the Comics Code Authority sticker on the cover.
>>154651533>They made children's comics with the Comics Code Authority sticker on the cover.A decade after everyone else abandoned it. Funny that.
>>154651618Because they were the only ones devoted to only putting out kids/family friendly titles by the 2000s.
>>154650176It's not that kind of comic, kid.
>>154650254>Who the fuck would want to date a guy who acts like that?Most women.
>>154651760Indeed. All women think they can tame the guy.
>>154651319Blondes really do have more fun
>>154651851"I can fix him!"
>>154651255>whatever, who gives a fuck dynamicThat's why she's paired with Shadow, that's the basis of what Rouge is with a Hedgehog that's just Sonic but doesn't joke around and fight for the little guy for fun but literally is callous, morally ambiguous and is more hardcore and rough in doing anything to get the job done.
>>154652039Shadouge isn't canon no matter how much you try, Anon.
>>154648792I was about to post this too, now I finally understand why Shadow went all evulz out of nowhere, it was because of an angry shipper. Just straight up fanfic shit, makes sense when you know Ian was a fanfic writer kek
>>154652039>with a Hedgehog that's just Sonic but doesn't joke around and fight for the little guy for fun but literally is callous, morally ambiguous and is more hardcore and rough in doing anything to get the job doneSo Knuckles, the original rough Sonic.>b-but HedgehogRogue is not hedgehogphilic
>>154648879I saw him on /a/ too, what a faggot
>>154651216Shadow is also homeless but also represents self proclaimed Knight Templar, Enforcer and overseeeing exterminator or excutioner over all foolishness and threats to the world.
>>154652061>Shadouge isn't Canon but pushed by Sega anywaysFixed>>154652080>Yes Rouge is into Hedgehogs. Pic related>Knuckles was never a anti heroic ruthless asshole who didnt threaten to destroy humanity, and had a "no limits" posture on achieving his goals like killing children or murdering gun agents to make a point.
>>154652080>So Knuckles, the original rough Sonic>Knucklehead..?Knuckles was a dumbass goofball introvert who was laughed at by Sonic and Tails and duped by everyone for losing the thing he's supposed to guard as a family duty, and has been buddy buddy and social with the cast more than Shadow has. It's not even a contest. Shadow scares Eggman and takes candy from babies, he's the edgy Chad of the Sonic cast.
>>154652280And yet Rogue loves him more.
>>154652401Rouge doesn't love anyone canonically.
>>154652727
>>154652839What is the baby going to look like?
>>154648715its the fault of autists. I've gotten commissions for a guy's OC and main character of a show, who wanted their kids to look exactly like the parents. It was a painful commission to do
>>154652839>>154652861Finally the thread is back on topic
>>154652839>Lex>not Bruce Wayne
>>154652901Read the crossover comic.
>>154652401You sure about that?>>154652839>lex x Rouge>boring meme and non canon
>>154652901
>>154652839>AI
>>154652401Rouge said she'd always be by Shadow's side and be there when no one else trusts him. I think she loves Shadow more by choice.
>>154652942Batman would unironically beat Eggman because he would never allow Eggman out think him on the level of Lex due to being less emotional and more open minded with his focus and tactical skills. Plus he beat Metal.
>>154652953In a non canon game.
>>154652985>non Canon>show on the official Sonic team time line as a Canon part of the modern era.
shiipperfags area always like "no the official statements by the author are wrong"
>>154648715I know a lot of white guys who married east asian women (and one white woman who married a chinese guy) and it really does work like that.
>>154653047Sometimes I want Sega to make a few ships canon, just to see the fanbase react.
>>154652921I did and I'm still mad Rouge hasn't met Batman>>154652980Batman didn't beat Metal, his fucking BIKE did.
>>154653087Never gonna happen, the only good thing to come from Penders.
>>154652861Bat, but also bald
>>154653327Nosferatu?
>>154653104Still pet of Batmans actions to defeat him
>>154650763its not a spade tattoo its shadow's logo from his game
>>154653933Sonic fans literally can't tell the difference.
>>154653666>Still part of Batmans actions to win.Fixed
>>154653933You're right, Shadow's the one that kills filthy black creatures
>>154648730Fuck off then.
Decades of Amy vs Sally arguments just to learn that Sonally was supposed to be a bait and switch for Shadally
>>154655888Nobody wins in a shipping war
>>154655894Got that right
>>154655888Sally fucking other guys is the most obvious shit
>>154655888Imagine going back in time to 2006 and telling sonicfags that Shadow gets Sally and Amy dies alone.
>>154649149Presumably he agrees with the thread and wishes he wasn't.
>>154656414is there something about pink...?
>>154648715Thank you. It is always more interesting to see a range of combinations.
>>154652839And of course, 40 wedding cakes.
>>154648715That's why shows which do that swap the sexes for the kids.
>>154648838Are we sure it's not fake?I don't think a photocopy is good enough.
>>154656638Sakura won her crush in the end lol
>>154648715>IRL
>>154655894At this point cupid should get his gatling gun and let everyone get their slice of the pie.
>>154657441>"won">it still looks exactly the same on the outside. there are no displays of affection beyond life saving.the difference is Sakura got stuck with a kid.maybe they should make Amy into Cream's sitter or something, for full pinkness.
Open your eyes, people. This game isn't very good
>>154656638Yeah its a color used for female simps.
>>154657595And shitty characters the series would be better off without.
Anyone read the Godzilla crossover today?
>>154648858how exactly does work supposed to work? does one of its tails move up to the top of its head to spin around? why only one? you couldn’t get the AI to just copy Tails’ pose or are you actually retarded enough to think this looks better?
>>154657750Godzilla gonna job to garystunic isn't he despite the fact it's stated godzilla can't lose?
>>154657587Sonic Classic Heroes makes it a better-playing experience. No longer do you have speed caps every time you spin dash and hold right. (You can also drop dash, use the super peelout, and insta-sheild.)
1, CD and 3&K are very good, but 2 isn't
>>154657971IIRC Godzilla’s win clause is actually something like he can lose FIGHTS but he’s not allowed to be the OVERALL loser. What that means is that he can be beaten if the story requires for it, but by the end of the crossover he A) better have won an equal or greater number of fights he’s lost and B) if it’s a crossover, be allowed to walk off into the distance, totally fine, while whoever he’s crossing over with gets to look at Godzilla and go “Yeah, you’re actually pretty cool Godzilla”. Another quirk is that Toho will occasionally allow to just let him outright lose (mainly when they’re writing the script) but when that happens, you have to make it absolutely clear that he is definitely not beaten and will definitely come back like in -1
>>154657128Because everyone who's read it says the same thingBecause Ken Penders is not smart or subtle enough to writes a story in the context of 2004 by pretend. The story reads exactly like it fits where it's supposed to. Like a missing issue from eight after he left. It does not acknowledge any development that happened after. And the fact that you can see the set up for his ideas in Archie.
>>154649075Penders is in a constant game of chicken with Sega, getting bolder every time he publishes a new book and Sega doesn't do anything about it (allegedly, though I also believe he buries every C&D letter and then hides under his bed for a few days).He's absolutely convinced his legal standard based on:>I did X years ago, Sega didn't do anything. Now I do Y, they act. But because they didn't act when I did X, they silently acknowledged what I did wasn't illegalor some shit like that.The next step is probably a Shadow fanfic (rather than remnants of an unfinished work), and the last step will be trying to claim Shadow as his intellectual property because Sega failed to act. His comments in the book make it seem like he genuinely believes HE made Shadow popular in the West.
>>154657128100% not a fake. It's literally just Penders's unreleased Archie stories that he had scripted before he left
>>154658502You might be onto somethingPenders coincidentally came up with Shadow surviving the events of sa3 BEFORE Sonic Heroes confirmed it. He could be deranged enough to claim he owns that idea
>>154656414If you strictly ignore how Sally is characterized by Ian Flynn specifically, Sally going for Shadow actually makes perfect sense. Shadow going for Sally doesn't add up but I guess that's Archie Shadow for you
>>154648730Based antinatalist chad
>>154658528I do think, though, that *The Shadow Files* still ended up being a huge mistake, one his delusions just didn't allow him to foresee, especially in the long run.Maybe not legally speaking, since Sega still doesn't do anything, but including Flynn's and Yardley's work without their permission and then acting all smug about how wrong they are has slowly shown both his few remaining supporters and neutral observers what kind of slimeball he really is, especially to their fans.His own ego also cost him one of his biggest allies: the guy who provided him with the digital prints ripped from the iOS app (I think that's where they came from), who is now completely against him and has exposed some of the nastier details about what it was like working with him.
>>154657128
>>154650635I wonder what happened to this guy.
>>154648792Why do you impose the standards of OG Sonic onto a alternate character who shares his likeness but isn't him?
>>154657128It isn't fake. It explains exactly why the King Shadow story exists in the first place.If you read Archie right now you will notice a pattern of Hope suddenly becoming more relevant. Shadow suddenly becoming more relevant. Future Sonic changes the timeline and this has no lasting thematic consequnece in the final comic. In the original it was the complete destruction of Sonic's original future and the settling of Shadow's. In the final version it barely makes any sense. Future Shadow is evil for no reason. Sonic takes back his kingdom in a single issue and asks Sally to have babies again. What is the point in literally killing those kids off only to bring them back in one issue? It reads exactly like someone attempting to rewrite a story because it butchers a ship they like. Penders's version is a more cohesive story and Shadow acts the way he already acted rather than becoming evil. Instead of evil king Shadow politically marrying Sally, it's just future Shadow having married Sally because Sonic was gone. On top of that, Sally was literally never the type to wait for Sonic. Never. That is something Ian Flynn added to her because he likes the Sonally pairing. It just adds up too well.That said, I don't want to sound like I'm praising Ken Penders. It's just that these stories fit exactly where they are supposed to and definitely feel like a continuation of his existing stories. Penders is not a good writer or a smart man. Ian Flynn deserves credit for realigning the comic but it's objectively true that he effectively had to trash a lot of Ken's ideas.
>>154658715Nta but Archie inevitably was forced to do exactly that. Penders leaving caused the domino effect that lead to Sega of Japan overseeing the comic and forcibly canonizing the fact that Sonic isn't interested in romance.
>>154650059>>154650022Cartoon Sonally had the same underlying issue as the comic, but nowhere as pronounced as the comic so most people think it's "better".
>>154658715Because it's obvious that Sega literally told them some time around the early 2000s because at one point I shit you not Sonic looks in the camera and spells out his own character bio explaining why he would never want a girlfriend
>>154658824He may look like Sonic, but he's actually Archie Sonic. Different guy.
>>154650022
>>154658792Shadow doesn't exist in Satam so you can argue that cartoon sonally was spared and might have worked out. Nobody is here to force cartoon Sonic to act like game Sonic like what happened to Archie
>satam gets revived in 2029>sonic is forced to follow sega mandates and dump sally>shadow added by force because he's sega's charizard>10 more years of ship wars
>>154658860unironically we already had satam/archie comics in normal games, they were called sonic chronicles and sonic forcesand they FUCKING SUCKED
>>154658869Holy shit you're right
Nobody considered the guy who looks and acts like a more serious and responsible Sonic would become a threat to the relationship of the girl who wants Sonic to be more serious and responsible? Especially when Sonic himself had been disallowed character development with increasing severity? Nobody saw that coming? This was a shock?
>>154658869Forces fucking WISHES it was SatAM.
>>154658909at least fist bump is a bop, just not in forces, it's great in mania
>>154658895well yeah it is a shock when the guy who doesn't behave even remotely like sonic is paired off with the comic's main ship-bait for him
>>154658926We're talking about Archie Shadow right? He's exactly what Sally keeps asking Sonic to be.
>>154649862>Penders didn’t want Sonic and Sally together>so he made a future storyline where Sonic and Sally were married and had kidsIt was an AU that got nuked, he made many characters cuck Sonic and long after, Penders confirmed Geoffrey had sex with her first, and Shadow was the true endgame for Sally.
>>154658895>>154658926To be fair nobody remembers how Sally's personalty was before Ian Flynn took over. The idea that she would wait nicely for Sonic is extremely different from how old Archie and even Satam would write her. She was a militant bossy mother to her team who wanted results and didn't like Sonic's playful attitude. For a lot of people that made her extremely annoying so Ian toned that down by a lot.
Badassery takes first precedence over respecting the reader's intelligence. At least in webnovels, and it should be that way in Sonic's comics.
>>154658971This right here. Penders was always undercutting the Sonic and Sally relationship and his cowriters didn't care about it either. In fact the first thing he does when writing the future timeline is establish that Sonic isn't happy because he can't go on adventures anymore after his marriage. His time as a king has literally distanced him from Tails. It's a net loss for him and the only thing he gained was kids.
>>154658971>>154659000If we're to believe Penders actually came up with all the Sally-marries-Shadow stuff before he left Archie (the man is a known liar, so he could easily be making that shit up just so he can steal even more stories), then it's entirely plausible the whole AU future was created just so Sonic would eventually get cucked by Shadow.
People talk about it as if it is a novel thing in IDW, but Archie did good art bad writing first. IDW is carrying on the tradition of good artists being saddled by mid writers.
>>154659000It's interesting how this divergedUnder Penders, this would be the set up for Sonic accidentally erasing his kids from the timeline but in turn getting a world where he can be free of responsibilitiesUnder Flynn Sonic accidentally sacrifices his kids and this is seen as a death warning that he should have appreciated what he had instead of jumping to the first opportunity of adventure. Neither of these are very "Sonic" but it is interesting
>>154659023But anon, what about the mandates?!!
>>154659022I'm not a Penders defender, but I don't believe he's lying in this case. It fits right in that period of time before he left. It contains every bit of mischaracterization unique to penders around that time including Shadow speaking with an overly regal affect. That said. Yes. This was Penders cucking Sonic again. If you read the story it goes out of its way to present Shadow and Sally as a perfectly in sync couple. Shadow doesn't have any reason to argue with Sally at all and talks to her like a fantasy boyfriend. I think you can argue that there is a way to do this story that actually services Sonic, Shadow, and Sally's characters but that isn't what it is. It's Sonic going to the future and seeing that Sally would be better off with Shadow and have 3 kids as opposed to the two twins Sonic had.
>>154658715This conversation is going to be 4 layers of confusing because if you stick to Sonic's character from the games then this actually adds up. Sally would get tired and move on to someone else. Shadow is barely a better option since he also isn't interested in bitches but I at least get the idea.Then you have to go over the hurdle that Archie Sonic isn't game Sonic in the first place so of course using them as a basis is bad.And then the final hurdle that Sega of Japan eventually took the reigns and made Archie Sonic become a weird psuedo version of game Sonic anyways undercutting every single story with mandates.
>>154659070>Shadow is barely a better option since he also isn't interested in bitches but I at least get the idea.Rouge, Molly, Amy. Shadow is more receptive of romance than Sonic is but he's just more introverted
It's really dreadful what happened to Archie. You can read the comic and actually see at what exact point Sega was going "I don't care about your story, change this to match the games NOW" and just ripping shit out of the comic without caring about it. It stops feeling like a story for dozens of issues and just feels like the comic trying to keep up with Sega's demands.
>>154659091game-wise i don't think shadow really gets paired off with rouge for any reason but that she's his equivalent to tails, regardless of her being specifically an answer to knuckles
>>154659130I'm just saying Shadow doesn't go "I have enough girls chasing me as it is" when Rouge flirts with him like Sonic does
Sega really let an AU that relies on romance cultivate for 20 years before enforcing the rule that their mascot is aromantic eh
>>154657524regardless of the writing, she still managed to get her crush and got him to give her a ring of his own volition I know the pairing is shit but Sakura still got her dream boy even if it’s a terrible relationship lol
>>154659168Yes, but also no. All the evidence points to SoJ never giving a shit about what the Muricans did with the IP, and SoA never properly reviewing the Archie comics either. According to Penders himself, they did review the first few issues, and Archie was contractually obligated to get Sega's approval for every comic, but at some point Archie stopped sending them in for review, and SoA never bothered to ask for them.You could argue it wasn't until the rise of social media that SoJ finally noticed what had actually happened during those 20 years they trusted SoA to handle things. But I also think this is just Sega being Sega and changing its mind on a whim.
>>154657128I’m laughing at the anons who can’t tell the joke
>>154659225Sarcasm is too high iq for 4chan
>>154659220Iizuka calls Archie out of character during an interview for Sonic Heroes in 2003 so he definitely new
>>154657128According to a judge, a photocopy can be admissible as evidence if the opposing party is forced to admit they did indeed sign it, among other things. But even then, your lawyers would have to be on a completely different level of incompetence to drop the lawsuit anyway and be forced to settle out of court.
>>154659254I think Iizuka and Japan just didn't care about Sonic in the West, and it wasn't until it became personal (i.e. fans from all over the world saying they preferred some, not even all, but some elements of Archie over the games) that they decided to step in.
>>154659254I think I remember seeing that interview plus Ian said Sonic Universe was overseen by SoJ apparently. I wonder why they didn’t bother doing anything, maybe whoever was in charge of the checks weren’t really paying attention since I also remember Evan saying their communications were awful during the reboot. Unless Iizuka was the one doing it? This sounds like typical mismanagement you’d expect from them
>>154659306I don't know how to phrase this but I believe Archie didn't have a true "fandom" until Ian started making it more coherent and readable.The only reason this Shadow Sally stuff is a shock to anyone is because nobody remembers Sally's extremely militant personality before Flynn came on board. That's because most of the readers or re-readers are focused on the Flynn stories. The stories before Ian were too schizophrenic to bother keeping track of. They might as well not be canon.
>>154659331>They might as well not be canon.Well... after the Pendering, you could argue they aren't.
>>154659325I think they literally didn't care about the characterization in the comics until Sonic Chronicles came out and made deviations for mthe source material an existential threat. If the comics could come up with something before the games did that gives grounds to sue.
>>154648715Why did SEGA allow Archie to make this shit
>>154659350It's funny how decades ago the pictures of Sonic and Sally being married was shipping ammo and nowadays it exists as a "Jesus Christ Archie didn't understand even the most basic facts about Sonic" ammo against Archie
>>154659350It’s funny how they let this pass but immediately sunk the ship once they got more eyes on it after the Pendering, they really didn’t give a shit until they were forced to pay attention.
>>154659345>until Sonic Chronicles came out and made deviations for mthe source material an existential threatI don't blame BioWare for this, they just didn't have good guidance (I mean, who allowed them to use Archie as a starting point, come on?).I do think Chronicles has a few good, even very good, ideas. Heck, they took Penders' evil echidna faction concept and actually made it work relatively well (which is exactly why he can't forgive Chronicles and is now trying to appropriate the good parts of it).
>>154658895I always thought Archie Shadow(especially during Ian Flynn run) was trying to make a version of Sonic more serious and more of a noble knight in shining armor with a brooding flair for the dramatic and contemplating.
so if the same guys who haven't managed to make a good Sonic game in the past 25 years are the guys saying "Sonic doesn't fuck" why should they even be listened to
>>154659130Rouge recently compares herself to Amy with Sonic when considering how she feels about Shadow.
>>154659408Because even if you hate the games and only like the comics their word still affected the comics and ended in a setting where Sonic doesn't fuck
>>154659430i gotta put a fucking bullet in iizuka's head or something, man is NOT good at slamming barbies together and giving them backstories
>>154659408You don't like them but it's actually part of one of the larger points of his character. He doesn't compromise or slow down for everyone. He is so self driven that he is just not compatible with relationships. He's not going to snuggle with you. He isn't going to change his behavior to make himself easier for girls to hande. Sonic stays true to himself first and foremost. That part of his character shines in the best games and downplaying it just to make him a typical teen action hero is lame
>>154659448This is how I feel. Sonic has some terrible games, but the best story in a Sonic game is still leagues above the best stories in the Sonic comics. Sonic's Archie characterization is totally unnecessary
>>154659403Archie Shadow is the result of fans, Flynn included, thinking 06 Shadow was the route to go for the character after Shad05. I don't blame them, since 06 was the last game with Shadow in a main role for 10 years or so, so Archie Shadow was obviously developed with that in mind.The issue, however, is that 06 Shadow is not really post-Shad05 Shadow. If the leaked GDD is indeed true, then 06 Shadow was written back in 2002-2003 as post-Heroes Amnesia Shadow (if you look at the GDD, the script is practically the same, while the character profiles confirm he still had amnesia).Sega, being as lazy as they are, didn't change the script, even though the game, which was originally planned for an earlier release, took years of development and had other game and character developments happen in between.Then you have other misunderstandings and Mandela effects, such as people thinking Omega was also part of GUN in the game, thus why Team Dark became a GUN unit.
>>154659448>>154659408They've made pretty compelling stories about this detail in Sonic X. Sonic could literally be given a reason to date but then he realizes it's boring to go on dates and decides to go on an adventure instead. He is above being distracted by pussy.
It's been two weeks since this reveal and I see more people criticizing Sonci and Shadow's character writing in the comics and nobody finds it weird that the same girl finds them both fuckable
>>154659492>Sonic why can't you be more serious ugh>(edgy black and red serious sonic appears)>oh yes fuck me
Waiting on that Game Apologist guy to inevitably react to this news. He has such a hilariously Comics-First take on the characterizations
>>154659445shippers: why does the creator and writer of the characters not agree with my headcanons?
>>154659430She also tried to get into Espio’s pants and was pissed it didn’t work
None of this would have happened had Madonna not been scrapped.
>>154659408To be fair they were trying to break the mold by subverting the typical male chases/infatuated with love interest trope at the time.
>>154659535they haven't had any idea what rouge's character or personality is supposed to be since heroes, hell not even getting into the character assassination of shadow becoming a GUN agent
>>154659582>they haven't had any idea what rouge's character or personality is supposed to be since heroesBut enough about Sega.
>>154659408The fact that Sonic isn't your standard teen hero is cool
>>154659525He’s a Sallyfag too, I imagine not well.>>154659539She got recycled into Amy but I do wonder what would’ve happened if they went the human route. Something tells me Sara and Sally (Tiara was a concept but her too technically) wouldn’t have been a thing. I wonder if Breezie would’ve been a thing either since she’s the similar type of character but as a robot hedgehog and if it would lead to Roger Rabbit refs or something. Now that I think about it, it felt like a lot of people were trying to make their own love interest for Sonic in the classic days despite that being a thing he avoids kek
>>154659539Madonna is literally just Amy. Sonic was never going to reciprocate
>>154659525I watched that guy's videos and he clearly isn't smart enough to tell Archie Sonic apart from Game sonic in terms of personality
The only continuity where Sonic got laid got retconned sky high
>>154659590THAT'S WHAT I MEAAANNNNNN iizuka sucks fucking ass at interpreting adventure-era characters
>>154659639He literally made them that way. Those are the characters.
>Why does Iizuka get to say Shadow has no frens?Because Shadow has no friends. You have never seen Shadow make a friend. Stop having headcanons>Why does everyone at sega say Sonic doesn't fuckbecause he doesn't. You grew up on an AU where he does. That same AU got retconned so that he doesn't. Grow up. These characters aren't your self inserts
>>154659642IIZUKA DIDN'T WRITE THE ADVENTURE GAAAAAMES REEEEEEEEE
>>154659600>>154659610But that's not the point. Had Madonna being used, then she most likely would have ended up as Sonic's potential love interest in both AoSTH and SatAM (and therefore, Archie).Remember that back then, a cartoon animal and a cartoon human in a potential relationship, especially in silly cartoons, was not exactly frowned upon (as far as I remember).
>>154659703Shadow and Rouge were his concepts. He was the director of SA2.
>>154659710Shippers, FOREVER: The creator acts like he knows too much!
>>154659710I highly doubt they were his ideas given how totally tone-deaf Sonic characters tend to be under his creative direction
>>154659764>how totally tone-deaf Sonic characters tend to be under his creative directionLike Shadow moving on from Maria and becoming his own guy?
>>154659778No like Shadow just flatly turning into Vegeta or Rouge having no reason to be around 99% of the time
>>154659795The reason Shadow has no friends is to prevent him from becoming like Vegeta
>>154659804They failed miserably at preventing him from becoming Vegeta
>>154659812Vegeta doesn't use guns Vegeta has a wife and children. He goes to parties and hangs out with his friends.
>>154649743Nta, but Butch did say in a post from a month or two ago that Timmy DID get with Tootie, the Channel Chasers ending still stands.
I have no complaints about Shadow ending up with Sally in the Penders vision
>>154648715I mean, with animals that shit happens all the time.
Honestly, all this to me shows that Sega is right to not have Sonic pursue love, because it can lead to one big fucking mess. Anyway>Sonic & Amy>Shadow & Sally (Reboot)>Vector & Vanilla>Knuckles & Rouge>Tails & Cosmo>Nicole & Shard>Silver & Gold Shoutout to Antoine and Bunnie not only becoming the only couple people have no problem with, but also surviving the reboot.
>>154659887The only people who disagree are shippertards.
>>154659709Anon, that’s what I was implying. >ArchieI’m not even sure if they would’ve made SatAM, Madonna doesn’t fit the vibe. They might’ve gone with a different approach or just stuck to AoSTH.
>>154659893I don't know what you are talking about, I'm a huge shipperfag, and I totally agree.
>>154659778Isn't Iizuka one of the main supporters of Shadow and Maria? (I do not mean it in a romantic way, mind you, but rather as Maria remaining as Shadow's drive)
>>154659932/sthg/ brain rot, do not engage
>>154659838Same, but just because I think the reaction would have been hilarious.
>>154651424Whose gonna tell em'?
>>154659896My bad.>I’m not even sure if they would’ve made SatAM, Madonna doesn’t fit the vibeThey would have repurposed the original non-Sonic pitch even further to make room for her... provided she remained a thing during Sonic 2 and Sonic 3.
>>154659948Agreeing that:>Sega is right to not have Sonic pursue love, because it can lead to one big fucking messmeans /sthg/ brainrot, now?
>>154659978>Agreeing that:no, idiot
>>154659989Oh, then you likely meant the Antoine and Bunnie bit.Do other "popular" ships for them even exist?
>>154660014no not that eitherthe /sthg/ brainrot comes from repeated complaints about something that doesn't apply with a catchy nickname for it
>>154658764I was being facetious and referencing the details of the court case that won him the grey area all of 'his' characters exist in. I give no fucks about the daydreams of the head writer of a dead comic series.I also have no reason to believe these things are legitimate. Raw material is easy to interpret as one pleases after the fact. It's the details that creates an image of a coherent story, and I am not convinced all of those are accurate.It's been twenty years. Can you remember any part of your mindset from twenty years ago with clarity? I can't. I'd be lucky to remember who I even knew, let alone what I was trying to do in any more than incredibly broad strokes.This is a story told about another story told about a time that people are nostalgic for. It's Ken's version of the Lost Hedgehog Tales. I'm not invested enough in either of them, so they will have to share a grain of salt.
>>154648906> good design>just loli tailslol lamo even
I find it pretty easy to believe Penders was trying to get rid of Sonally desu
>>154660059no you see the AI not being able to keep track of which tail tip is black and the running pose being blatantly generated from sonic's super smash bros. renders is a mark of high concept and quality
>>154660062He literally tried to kill off Sally and said she cramped Sonic’s style. I’m more surprised he put effort into shitting on it.
>>154660043Does the term still applies even if one doesn't go to /sthg/?
>>154660089He seems to hate the pairing more than the average sonamyfag or hyper game purist
>>154660129Penders is a man who knows how to hold a grudge. And given that most of his original Knuckles ideas are actually recycled Sonic ones, I wouldn't be surprised if he holds Sally accountable for not letting him give Sonic a "proper girlfriend", one with whom he falls in love the moment their eyes meet due to some spiritual bullshit explanation.
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>>154660080Even then it’s still just tails.
