>Marvel announced today that veteran editor Stephen Wacker has been named Editor-in-Chief, Marvel Comics. Wacker will take over from C.B. Cebulski, who will be moving to Japan to become Editor, Asia Originals, for Marvel.>"Few editors have had as long and accomplished a career as C.B. I'm grateful for his partnership over the past decade and thrilled that he'll be on the ground in Japan, connecting with local artists and overseeing Marvel's original graphic fiction and manga in the region,” said Brad Winderbaum, Head of Marvel Television, Animation, Comics & Franchise. “At the same time, I'm excited to welcome Stephen Wacker back to Marvel. He is a tremendous editor, a passionate advocate for creators, and someone who deeply understands that Marvel Comics is the source code of our entire enterprise, with a publishing resume that includes some of our most beloved modern runs.">Wacker is an acclaimed comic book editor and creative, with a long history of collaborating with the industry’s best and brightest comics talent. He previously spent more than 15 years at Marvel, seven of them as a senior editor overseeing several beloved and influential modern comic runs — including the best-selling “Brand New Day” and “Superior Spider-Man” eras of Amazing Spider-Man. During his previous Marvel Comics tenure, he also served as the editor behind the Eisner Award-winning comic series Daredevil and Hawkeye, the critically acclaimed relaunch of Captain Marvel, the introduction of Kamala Khan, A.K.A. Ms. Marvel, and the Marvel Infinity Comic series It’s Jeff!
>Wacker also has extensive experience across Marvel’s animation, television, and digital media divisions, where he expanded the brand’s reach and helped introduce Marvel’s iconic characters to new audiences. He co-produced the Emmy-nominated Rocket & Groot animated series in 2017 and served as a co-executive producer on several animated series, including Avengers Assemble, Ultimate Spider-Man, and Guardians of the Galaxy. He also executive produced the enormously successful Wastelanders audio series for Marvel.>Prior to joining Marvel, Wacker worked as an editor at DC Comics. Post-Marvel, he served as EIC for Jonathan Hickman’s groundbreaking worldbuilding project 3W3M. Most recently, he co-founded the entertainment studio Stone Kite and served as SVP, Media, guiding storytelling across various media. >“Picking up Marvel Two-in-One #50 as a kid is what made me a comics fan, so returning to Marvel as Editor-in-Chief is a full-circle moment that I'm still wrapping my head around,” said Wacker. “I’m proud to join Kevin, Brad, David, and this incredible staff and amazing array of talent to build on the work started by Stan, Jack, Steve, Flo, John, and so many more. I truly believe the best Marvel comics have yet to be written and drawn, and I can't wait to get to work adding some new floors to the House of Ideas.”
>Cebulski is the third longest tenured EIC in Marvel’s nearly 90-year history. Prior to becoming Editor-in-Chief in 2017, he established himself as one of the industry’s top talent recruiters, discovering new talent from across the globe like Skottie Young, Pepe Larraz, Marco Checchetto, and Peach Momoko, who have brought new flair to the pages of Marvel’s comics. >As Editor-in-Chief, Cebulski shepherded ambitious creative initiatives and oversaw nearly a decade of comics storytelling, including the relaunch of the Ultimate Universe and the acclaimed “Krakoan Age” of X-Men comics. He spearheaded Marvel’s most comprehensive manga partnership with Shonen Jump, creating titles like Deadpool Samurai and Spider-Man: Octo-Girl. He also introduced Marvel’s Stormbreakers, the premier talent program designed to spotlight the next generation of elite comic artists, as well as Marvel’s Art Atelier, the talent training program jointly run with Disneyland Paris.>Said Cebulski, “I'm incredibly proud of everything we've accomplished at Marvel Comics during my time as EIC, and I'm excited for this new role the leadership team has created for me. I’m looking forward to pursuing new opportunities across Asia while staying close to Steve and Marvel's brilliant publishing team, who are all like family to me.">In his new role, Wacker will report to Winderbaum and Cebulski will be part of Wacker’s global leadership team.SOURCE:https://www.marvel.com/articles/comics/marvel-comics-names-stephen-wacker-editor-in-chief
>IT'S REALHOLY SHIT
ITS REAL
They're also moving to LA
RIPIP
>>154663279>Yoshida san made it to Japan
>>154663279>>154663292>Wacker will take over from C.B. Cebulski, who will be moving to Japan to become Editor, Asia Originals, for Marvel.>In his new role, Wacker will report to Winderbaum and Cebulski will be part of Wacker’s global leadership team.So he's not being kicked out or upstairs, they're sidelining him.
>>154663279>Wacker will take over from C.B. Cebulski, who will be moving to Japan to become Editor, Asia Originals, for Marvel.Wait, is this the reason to why Marvel cut the deal with Shueisha?
Shockingly low amount of stinkers.
>Stephen Wacker>the man who changed Carol's costume because he wanted his daughter to be able to dress up as the character
>Wacker will take over from C.B. Cebulski, who will be moving to Japan to become Editor, Asia Originals, for MarvelCan’t make this shit up
>>154663279>Wacker as New Editor-in-Chief>the guy that beefed with jms and told everyone that peter was dead forever and otto was the new spider-manTen more years of suffering for spiderfags.
this is fucking wild, holy shit
>>154663292>He also introduced Marvel’s Stormbreakers, the premier talent program designed to spotlight the next generation of elite comic artistsI don't really get Stormbreakers because for the past eight years or however long it's been it mostly just seems to be a label they attach to variant covers by Peach Momoko and Gurihiru. Rather than up and coming talent they feel very well established by now.
>>154663279The Shogunate has Fallen
>>154663279>>Marvel announced today that veteran editor Stephen Wacker has been named Editor-in-Chief, Marvel Comics. Wacker will take over from C.B. Cebulski, who will be moving to Japan to become Editor, Asia Originals, for Marvel.No fucking way this is real, nice try op
>>154663345It's lining up like that
>Stephen Wacker is an American comic book editor and television, animation, podcast and digital media producer. He was nominated for an Emmy Award for Rocket & Groot and has overseen many comic book series at DC Comics and Marvel Comics.[1] He is well known for editing comics such as 52, The Amazing Spider-Man, Hawkeye, Ms. Marvel, Daredevil, and Captain Marvel.>In 2000, Wacker was hired as an assistant editor at DC Comics where he worked on comics including JLA, JSA, and 52.[2][3][4]>He was recruited by Marvel Comics in 2006 and held the position of senior editor, working primarily on the Spider-Man titles (including Brand New Day) and Guardians of the Galaxy franchises.[5] In 2013, he relocated from Marvel Comics' New York headquarters to Marvel Animation in Los Angeles where he held the position of VP of Animation.[6] Wacker is credited as co-executive producer on many of their animated series, including the Avengers Assemble and Guardians of the Galaxy series that aired on Disney XD.[7][8] In 2017, he transferred to Marvel Television where he was a VP of Development where he produced Marvel's Hero Project, Marvel's 616, and Marvel's Behind the Mask.[9][10][11] In 2020, Wacker transferred to Marvel Digital Media as VP Head of Content.[12][9] In 2022, he was hired as editor-in-chief at 3W/3M Comics (Three Worlds/Three Moons) and left the following year to pursue an unnamed venture.[13][14]
>Comics2002 - JLA/Avengers - assistant editor2000 - 2006 - JSA - editor2006 - 52 - editor2008 - 2014 - The Amazing Spider-man - editor2010 - 2013 - Daredevil - editor2010 - 2013 - Hawkeye - editor2010 - 2013 - Captain Marvel - editor2014 - Ms. Marvel - co-creator, co-editor[17]2021 - 2022 - It's Jeff - editor
IT'S FUCKING HAPPENINGFELLASFELLASTHE STROKE VICTIM IS FEELING SOMETHING IN THE TOES AGAIN
Carolbros win again
Sayonara to the honorable Shogun Cebulski cut down in battle
Godspeed, Yoshida-san
>>154663311https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/marvel-comics-new-york-la-1236650120/
>>154663279You will be missed Yoshida san
>>154663451Nothing really all that inspiring
>>154663563Will he?Outside of getting some Japanese mangaka and artists to do some Marvel books, he's not really achieved anything in his 8 years as EiC
>>154663279Sasuga Cebulski-san
>>154663596But dude Stormbreakers
The actual bigger news is that marvel is leaving new york after 90 years
OUR GUY is gonna be slamming Japanese pussy every day always remember Peach got started throating his samurai sword
>>154663628DC did it first back in 2015
>>154663675It was also big news then as wellwonder what Marvel will do as their Convergence event, since that was editorial filler due to the move to LA
>>154663563I will not miss the villainous daimyo who lead this land to ruin
>>154663628Suddenly West Coast Avengers are in the news again.
>Spider-Man in Hollywood was thought to be a Spider-Man Beyond spin-off that never happened>It was actually foreshadowing to Marvel moving to CaliforniaDamn, Timeless was truly ahead of its time
https://aiptcomics.com/2026/07/16/marvel-comics-relocating-bstephen-wacker/>Despite the move, Marvel emphasized that New York remains central to the company’s identity.>“New York has played a huge part in who Marvel is as a company, and in the pages of our comics,” Winderbaum and Abdo wrote. “While our network of writers and artists is now an international operation, New York is still woven into our DNA and that will never change.”>The relocation marks the end of an era for the American comics industry. Marvel’s predecessors, Timely Comics and Atlas Comics, helped establish New York as the center of superhero publishing, and legendary creators including Stan Lee, Jack Kirby, and Steve Ditko built the Marvel Universe there. Spider-Man, the Fantastic Four, the Avengers, and countless other iconic heroes have long called New York home.>The move also means New York will no longer house one of the industry’s major publishers, following DC’s relocation to Burbank in 2015.>Marvel plans to begin relocation orientation sessions for affected employees and their families next week, with the transition unfolding over the next 12 months. Stephen Wacker will officially assume his new role later this month, while C.B. Cebulski joins Marvel’s global leadership team as he begins overseeing the company’s expanding manga and Asia Originals publishing efforts.
>Wackerhttps://youtube.com/watch?v=cG4vS3v1nBo
>>154663633The only things he's slamming are plates of sushi and cups of sake.
>>154663714So will Wacker be at SDCC, or is that still the Shogun at those panels?
>Wacker is infamously pro-OMDNothing is going to happen
>>154663551> replacing outgoing chief C.B. Cebulski, who had steered the division since 2017. Cebulski will still remain part of the family, however, as he will be moving to Japan to spearhead the company’s push into manga, among others things, as editor, Asia originalsDamn I guess he’s gonna be Japanese after all
>editor during BND and half of SlottChanging of deck chairs.DiDio being replaced by DiDio.There is a Hydra of DiDio's at Marvel Comics that have to be gone before you get actual real attitude change in office.
>>154663746well duh, Lowe is going to keep his job. I could maybe see Breevort leaving since he has been at the company for so long, but he might just try and stick it thorugh for another decade, thinking he might get the chance to EiC
>>154663754>he will be moving to Japan to spearhead the company’s push into mangaOh that's going to be an absolute train wreck.
/co/ was pretty pro-Wacker back in the day. For what it's worth.
>>154663596He had a huge hit with the Fresh Start lineI'm not sure when it happened, but some time around the start of Wells' ASM people's opinions began souring on him
>>154663596The company right now is in the worst place it's been since the Bankruptcy, he sucked
>>154663761Brevoort gets to be the boss of the X-Men comics at a time when they're set to make a grand return to the big screen, I don't think he'll step down from where he is unless there's a gun to his head.
>>154663808>he company right now is in the worst place it's been since the BankruptcyWorse than ANAD and Legacy?
>>154663692That implies Marvel has any content that needs filling space
>>154663850not that anon, but I stopped reading marvel in 2016 with multiversal refugees and civil war 2.I saw a few of ultiamtel ien in 2024-2026 but it is not the same I miss old Marvel or a glimp of that from pre-2011.
>>154663776/co/ also thought Waid and King were good writers back then too.
Yoshida-san has brought dishonor to the house of ideas and must commit seppuku, who will be his second
>Marvel’s moving to CaliforniaWell I guess I’m not getting past this second round of interviews
>>154663279>Few editors have had as long and accomplished a career as C.B. I'm grateful for his partnership over the past decade and thrilled that he'll be on the ground in Japan, connecting with local artists and overseeing Marvel's original graphic fiction and manga in the region,” said Brad Winderbaum,That explains why the Shueisha license was terminated. No bullshit reason about a HQ getting exploded, Marvel is going to publish their own manga there and they're cutting off with Shueisha since there is no reason to license it out any more.
>>154663628Filthy casual & non American here, what does that mean?
>fired the weeb>moving to dying city>hired literal who who last shined 20 years agoThis is the kind of thing a shitty sports team does when it's on its last leg and ends up contracting a year later.
>>154664026Marvel Manga will flopFor all Shueisha problems, they at least have better editors than Marvel
>Marvel is moving to the West Coast>West Coast Avengers is most likely returning againUHHH BREVOORTBROS???
>>154664026That sounds incredibly stupid and doomed to fail
>>154663292he did literally nothing in his entire eic tenur>moving to japanunfathomably based, arigato celbuski-dono. arigato.
If they’re leaving New York then they really must be leaving publishing all together and letting Abrams handle their books.
>>154664110They have the american shogun spearheading an initiative into the most cutthroat, black company industry that will just love his changed name stunt as he is to try make connections.
>>154664026there was a deal with shueisha?
>>154663628oh shit for real? clerks have been terrified of this for years
>>154664145yeah it how Deadpool Samurai and that Doc Ock Manga got made
>>154663850>anadyes. the outrage farm ended and they all stopped reading
>>154664172were they goodfrankly i dont understand why they don't publish japanese originals. stop licensing ffs
>>154664140the Abrams art book have genrally been much better than the Mainline Marvel stuff
>>154664145Yeah, they released multiple Manga based on Marvel characters. Here are the tiles:MARVEL × Shounen Jump+ SUPER COLLABORATIONSECRET REVERSESpider-Man: Octopus-GirlSpider-Man: BONDSDEADPOOL: SAMURAIMarvel has a better foothold in Japan, from my understanding, miles ahead of DC. I believe even indie comics are doing better than DC in Japan, so I'm not entirely surprised that Marvel might shift to trying to make manga.>>154664209They were good enough to be ripped, all licnesed ones are on Nyaa. Give them a try, I heard Deadpool and Spider-Man: Octopus Girl were fun reads at least.
>>154664209The Deadpool one was fine, but it was very Waypool in it's writing, so if you don't like that sort of thing, it gets rather tiresomei didn't read the Doc Ock is isekied into a Japanese school girl book
Is this why Marvel terminated their contract with Shueisha? They are starting their own manga divison? Chances of Horikoshi Spider-man ongoing?
>>154663776How do we know it wasn't Wacker and Slott themselves posting? They used to post on CBR back in the day and we know Slott posts here
>>154664145They we're publishing spin off with Deadpool and Spider-Man.>>154663345>>154664026>>154664062It's sound like a firing disguised as promotion. Unless this had at least one year in the works putting out an original manga it's seems doomed to fail. There are a lot of questions of who they would put their eyes on them and how they would distribute it when it needed to hit the prints.I think the most obvious reason he is going in charge of the japanese version of current Marvel output.
>>154664322Wacker got himself banned from one of the old big forums.Anyone have any of his posts around the time of the Mary Jane and her memories Superior arc? I'll be interested to see if he responded to any criticism of it being so rapey.
>>154663279>Leaving New York to LAdidn't Runaways have a joke that Marvel heroes are so East coast centric that the West coast cared less in comparison?
>>154664452That happened like 20 years ago. Way before the Disney acquisition.
>>154663279>including the best-selling “Brand New DayOH FUCK OFF
>>154663454To make it pretty clear, he was basically overseeing BND/Slott Spider-Man all the way up to maybe halfway of Superior, Waid's Daredevil before DD moves to San Francisco, most of Fraction's Hawkeye. He is the one who pushed for Carol to be called Captain Marvel and get a redesign, and has co-creator credit for Kamala Khan.
>>154664476We are REARRANGING the deck chairs.What else can you do with the titanic, steer?
Well DCfags can put their feet up a bit as the competition still loves to run with knots.
>>154663279Okay, obvious jokes aside I actually get why he's sent to Japan He knows the language, he's done work there, he's qualified
>>154664452LA is still Marvel's default place if you aren't in New York though.
>>154664162Why is that?
>>154664550Wouldn’t it be easier to hire a actual japanese person who has ties to the manga scene?
>>154664490He was also overseeing the Disney-era Marvel cartoons around season 3 of USM, season 2 of Agents of SMASH, and season 2 of Avengers Assemble. The best you can say is it wasn't terrible as when Loeb was overseeing, but on the other hand it also didn't seem memorable
>>154663311>>154663551>>154663628I don't care about that at all.
>>154664490Seems like a meet the new boss, same as the old boss, thing
>>154664327>it's seems doomed to fail. Ton one hand disney has the pocket to force itself into japanon the other, japanese business have ample history of "convincing" the government to shit on its own fair trade laws and force the competition to leave.
>>154664571That would be the more competent, but expensive option
>>154664571>>154664612I think they also wanted someone who knows English
>>154664563because you either move to LA, or get fired. And literally nobody left in the husk of the bullpen can do that. Marvel office and the corpse of the bullpen (killed and quartered by Perlkiker in the late 00s) is getting dismantled and rebuilt from scratch, with maybe a couple editors remaining.When marvel had their collapse during late ANAD, some people were worried this was gonna happen if things kept getting worse. Fun thing, the shogun got instated after Bendis quit marvel for DC. Now that DC beat marvel in overall sales, there's a whole ass shake up. Seems the bar Disney holds goes something like "are we beating the competition?"
>>154664026Weekly Shonen Marvel incoming.
>>154664213They got Eric Powell to do a Thor bookThey MUST be paying well
>>154664571japs would lie through their teeth to benefit their writer+editor ingroup.
>>154664634You can't find a single japanese guy who speaks english? Is it that important anyway, can't just hire a translator?
>>154664655It's highly likely that Abrams Books has the money to be able to pay Powell, Byrne, and Ross to publish a full comic from them
>>154664658Wow I'm sure that's so different from the current editors at Marvel
>>154664026Why not just use a Shonen jump manga style anthology method in America? Why go to japan?
>>154664655That still isn't out yet
>>154664687>Shonen jump manga style anthology method in America?InfrastructureWeekly manga works in Japan because all the pieces are in place
>>154663850yes despite how much people bitch about the diversity push and muh X-men it did sell better than we do now.
>>154664687Anthologies have failed before in America, I don't think that format works significantly well in a country this large, illiterate, and devoid of high quality public transport.
>C.B. Cebulski, who will be moving to Japan to become Editor, Asia Originals, for Marvel.You've gotta be fucking jokingHow did he get away with it
>>154664718How has 2000AD been doing in the US?I saw that Rebellion has started printing them in the US now so it's much cheaper
>>154664740Who's the competition?
>>154663311Wacker was around comics for a long time but he's been involved in animation for a long time and that and the move to LA and putting the Disney guy in Buckley's place means more integration and probably even more synergy and other useless shit. Marvel's effectively dead.
>>154663344They're using him to infect japan with the same gay faggot bullshit we've endured for the last 15 years.
God I wished I had the job security of a marvel editor
>>154663279Seriously, how the fuck did Cebulski get away with it
>>154664746Not him but the difference is that 2000 AD doesn't need Americans to be sustainableSame deal with manga
>>154663279My memory of wacker was him stalker david brothers across social media after he helped marvel fix an internal leak at the printing company.Like imagine a dude on the internet notices that your comics are being leaked weirdly early and alerts you that the printing company has a security leak that people are using to steal your comics before they even go to print, but the guy also said on his blog that releasing two issues of daredevil a month is hurting sales so you gotta harass the shit out of him.It was literally:>Stephen wacker: how dare you criticize the way we do things [user was blocked for this post]>Stephen Wacker2: Having rotating artists that have clashing styles would never harm sales [user was blocked for this post]>Stephen Wacker3: And posting on your own personal blog about our [user was blocked for this post]Then even after being ip banned he kept harassing him on twitter and shit over it. Literal fucking manchild.
>>154664768I really do think in about a decade they'll be outsourcing the license for ongoings.OMD and the like will be resolved out of office, hell we might get a half dozen Spider-Man ongoings each choosing their own route to resolving the original sin.
>>154664789I don't know but it's fucking insane
>>154664602I think the problem is not about money but how the manga market works. You can absolutely sell individual chapters or issues like with floppies. But you are limiting your reach to a very specialized market. Most of manga readers got into a series thanks to being regular readers of a magazine. Those magazines are not just and anthology but they have and identity in their brands. You want wacky comedies or dramatic stories go to Kodansha's Weekly Shounen Magazine, you want edgy stories with memetic appeal read Akita Shoten's Weekly Shounen Champion, want a mainstream and by the numbers action series go to the Shueisha's Weekly Shounen Jump.And that is talking about the magazines oriented to young readers, there are a lot of others ones. Even the digital only ones. What is Marvel strategy exactly to penetrate into that? They can't use their usual gimmicks, and the market doesn't see comics as collectionables like in the USA. It's just an easy access, cheap entertainment. And I'm highly sceptical about the shogun ability to understand that. If anything, I think his work would be put the translated "evergreens" TPB of Marvel with a new cover made up by a 'hot' japanese/asian artist and call it a day.
>>154664827magazines are a thing of the past mate, everyone in jap reads digital subscription
>>154664599Sort of. As much as I think some of the stuff listed is overrated, there's no denying that he did have successes under his watch. ASM sold well when Slott did Superior, Waid's Daredevil consistently got a lot of praise back then, Fraction's Hawkeye and Ms Marvel vol 1 sold consistently well for Marvel in the bookstore market, so I could see why they'd pick him as EIC.But remember a lot of these were back in the 2010s when the fanbase was different
>>154664850The problem is BND is beyond bad fish smell in its welcome as seen with Slotts recent ongoing that wasn't, and they are now putting the guy who headed it in charge right when they are losing their market share and the ongoing is completely out of step with the wider franchise.
>>154664599marvel under celbuski was headless. breevort ran his own empire, spiderman office had no oversight at all, avengers office was basically left to its own devices. The EiC was just a jobbing positions.I don't know if this will change with Wacker. Maybe he'll start barking orders. But I think Marvel may actually be dead at this point. We talking "disney promotional mouse movie comics" dead
>>154664849They read a subscription of a specific brand. And if they are just casual lectors that got into a series from the FOMO they just read the individual chapters. But you need first to build that FOMO and that usually is thanks to the synergy that anime and multimedia adaptations bring to the table.Like even when I read a digital series, I got offered extra points to unlock another chapter if I read the chapter of another series from the same magazine.
>>154664849>everyone in jap reads digital subscription...of Magazines, yeah.
>>154664939which offer single comic subscriptions, lad. go buy one and see for yourself.
>>154664932>and that usually is thanks to the synergy that anime and multimedia adaptations bring to the table.which is not through anthology magazines.>Like even when I read a digital series, I got offered extra points to unlock another chapter if I read the chapter of another series from the same magazine.this is a cross-promotion gimmick by the publisher, unrelated to the anthology magazine conceptis buying a marvel full subscription to read their whole catalog the same buying a magazine anthology?
>>154664879That's why I said I could see why they'd pick him (companies look at past successes), but also know that these were 2010s successes. What worked then may not really work now, like for instance that Slott BND mini in your example.I also am aware that Wacker got into fights a lot online like >>154664791 pointed out and the CBR stuff, which does make me wonder if he's since learned to control that, or if Disney needs to keep an eye on him
>>154664986They need a farmer in the bullpen to crack the whip and give them a crashcourse in PR to not piss the customer off when you're losing market share.Some of the antics in the previous decades during Superior was just baffling.
While I'm happy to see Cebuslki go, Wacker is a lolcow and a sex pest so it's not likely the books are going to get any better.
>>154665019And here's the misconduct.
>>154663279The Shogun is living his most perfect weeb lifestyle
>>154664976Because even the FOMO readers got invested on other series from the same magazine because they like the brand appeal. You go an try another series because it would be cater probably to your interest. And non-FOMO readers care because they like what the brand is offering.Like you clearly don't read japanese digital to see how they propel their ecosystem and justify giving away for free most of their work. But even outside you can see the same model with the Jump+ service and how people keep getting hooked up with other series.
>>154665019>>154665037Well fuck him then.
>>154664308Honestly it would be cool to see MHA characters in the Marvel universe. They already had All-Might show up in the Deadpool manga.
>>154665004>Some of the antics in the previous decades during Superior was just baffling.They got lucky because at the time part of Ike's deal with Disney was walling off Marvel from Disney, and their sales were doing pretty well so they got away with a lot of attacks on the fanbaseIt's funny cause even now on the Bleeding Cool article there's people in the comments section defending Wacker attacking the fanbase and they don't sound any different from the Comicsgate crowd they complain about
>>154665037>D'OrazioImmediately discarded, that foid is a literal nutcase
>>154663279>and overseeing Marvel's original graphic fiction and manga in the regionAka ''Make sure it's NOTHING like Japanese manga and show you have a contempt for the medium, and make the women ugly''
>>154665199All you have to be is part of the crowd huh
>>154665087I beleive you are conflating magazine with publisher. Shuesia is not the same as Weekly Shonen Jump. At this point, actual magazines or bundle comic sales are a minority of the japanese industries' method.Comic sales and standarizing worldwide and there's little different between japan. kora, china, europe or the usa. discovery and reading happens online, some try to paywall their content, and if it gets popular people buy print and merch for collecting. This is how it goes everywhere.
>>154665037>>154665216Don't care. BelieveAllWomen, Wacker is a sex pest and a rapist.
In regards to BND, I'm not going to blame Wacker for that in that what was he going to do, not implement Quesada's ideas? He wasn't in a position to refuse it. His value is largely in organizing and keeping things running smoothly which given how much there was to coordinate with BND and 52 isn't really a small thing. He was also good enough to reject Slott's dumber ideas like Clone Conspiracy. what any of this will mean for Marvel creatively I don't know but it'll probably be a more tightly run ship at least.
>>154665197No it wouldn't
>>154665339>In regards to BND, I'm not going to blame Wacker for that in that what was he going to do, not implement Quesada's ideas? He wasn't in a position to refuse it.The problem I think is that he went online to get into arguments with people who criticized BND. Had he not done that there would've been enough plausible deniability that he had to go along with what Quesada wanted
>>154665307The magazines are the ones that dictate the editorial direction and oversight the individual series. Even if their print (hint, 'print') numbers is in decline since the 90's, they are still the basic unit of now they appeal to their niche in the market.That is what japanese people search first when they search for a series.Also the digital market is not standardized at all, nevermind that Korea and Japan have a freemium model but with and easy availability with the most recent issue. When in the case of the USA the most recent issue is the one behind the tallest paywall. Or the difference that in capecomics people sought for ownership of a digital comic, and on Japan people are attuned with a rent model.
so when do we get new #1's from this?
>>154665339Wacker was a pretty decent editor and he's also against a having married Spider-Man.
>who will be moving to JapanKek
>>154664308I would rather have a good mangaka
>>154664791https://4thletter.net/2012/02/this-is-what-they-think-about-you-2/https://4thletter.net/2012/02/watch-who-you-beef-with/
>>154665560We won't see his stuff right away, Cebulski became EiC in November, and Fresh Start happened in AprilSo we're most likely seeing things happening January 2027
>>154663279SO instead of just firing him, they will send him to a role he is destined to fail in, then fire him.
>>154664253>Marvel has a better foothold in JapanGoing to follow up on this by saying I doubt this will ever change, because Spider-Man specifically is an enormous influence on the Tokusatsu genre and very well-known over there. Marvel vs Capcom deeply tying Marvel to a pretty popular gaming company (who still has a foothold in the arcades) probably helps too.
Wacker's own issues aside, I am pretty surprised that it looks like Disney really is removing the top people bit by bit
>>154665271I mean that's pretty much it, DC got heavy pushback over stuff like Red Hood and the Outlaws or something, Marvel got away with a lot more that I'm surprised people haven't caught on
>>154665216I don't take any sexual assault accusation from a woman at face value unless a male feminist is involved, the data doesn't lie.
>>154663692Secret Wars was their Convergence
>>154665967Women who liked Starfire because of the cartoon were mad about that. Hardly any woman has ever read Spider-Man, there's nothing there that appeals to them.
>>154666090I don't buy it, the controversy was coming from comics-adjacent people
>>154665019Holy shit this just unlocked some ancient memories for me. I remember I used to frequent the car forums way back around 2008-2012 and I vividly remember steven wacker being a psychotic nuisance on those boards. He would get into pages long arguments with anybody who gave even the small criticism towards any marvel title but especially Spiderman. And it was in the most childish, immature manner too. He would constantly be on those boards looking fpr a fight, too. No one would mention hik but he would inevitably show up in nearly every thread. The admins did nothing because he worked for marvel and Wacker would take advantage of that to just harass what was most likely a bunch of teenagers.I was around 15 back then and between him and the way they ended ultimate Spiderman I pretty much stopped reading any marvel titles.I'm in my thirties now and had completely forgotten about him but the name Wacker triggered some old memories. The fact such an annoying infantile little bitch like him not only managed to find work at marvel and but work his way up is the real problem with marvel. They know what he's like and they know how he likes to fight with fans. Fuck him.
>>154663279wacker did brand new day, muslim marvel girl and bunch of other dog shit. theyve replaced a fat fuck weeb with a faggot yes man. another decade of failure until they sell off the properties to idw or other groups to handle for them.
>>154666090That was a single dave willis comic strip that people who never read comics like to repost.That audience never existed. Most people who discover comic characters through cartoons or movies don't actually want to read comics about them, they just want to more of the cartoon. Starfire could have been dressed in a fucking barney suit for the last 20 years the people who complained.about her outfit still wouldn't have picked up a comic about her. They just wanted more of the cartoon.DC and marvel have been chasing an audience that was never interested in comics as a medium for the last 20 years and they wonder why they're circling the drain.
>>154666136Which comics-adjacent people? Women like Gail Simone who liked the Teen Titans cartoon but didn't read Spider-Man. There's an old Fresh Prince episode that accurately described women's disgust with the concept of Spider-Man.>Hilary: All right. Let's make this fast. "Spider-Man. By Stan Lee." The yellow box says: "High above Manhattan." And Spider-Man goes, "My spider-sense is buzzing like a beehive.">Will: Uh, his Highness would like you to describe everything in the picture.>Hilary: Can't you just look at it?>Will: Uncle Phil!>Hilary: I was just asking.>Will: He's sitting on the edge of some stupid building and there are, like, wavy lines coming out of his head so he's hot, or his head smells or something. Anyway...>Will: Hilary. That's his spidey-sense.>Hilary: Okay. There's also something gross coming out of his wrist. Is this the guy you don't want to be standing next to at a party, or what?They have to want to read a book to care about what happens in it, and they don't.
>>154666218yup
>>154664795Spider-Man and his cast is moving to DC comics.
>>154664026Again, this is Why Warner Bros. And DC Comics has more street cred at Japan than Marvel outside spider-man.
>>154666482It's still like winning the retard olympics. Just like nobody in the US is reading Big Two capeshit nobody in Japan does either.
>>154666311Comics Alliance for starters was the one talking about it. It spread among various comics people"Women don't read Spider-Man" is a copium excuse when the reality is nobody wanted to bring up Marvel's own controversies at the time for fear of Marvel retaliation. And I'm not just talking about Spider-Man.
>>154666641People do dunk on Marvel, like when that New Warriors concept was ridiculed so much the entire series was cancelled before issue one was even published or that Miles-as-Thor What If.
>>154663279The mugshots make it look like they died.
>>154666522>It's still like winning the retard olympics. Just like nobody in the US is reading Big Two capeshit nobody in Japan does either.Absolute DC is selling millions upon millions of copies, that's not "nobody", retard.
>>154666522Batman manga outsold everything related to marvel, also DC has the heavy hitters on the line, one being Shirow.Plus japan cares only for spider-man at the marvel side, everything else is disposable.
>>154664476It is officaly OVER spider fags you lost. Wacker along with Winderbaum and Cebulski are going to make damn sure OMD remains canon for good. And knows maybe just maybe they will end up resurrecting Gwen Stacy. I really do hope they do bring her back if but for one reason and that would be to rub it in your face spider fags.I WON MOTHERFUCKERS I WON
>>154666711Board Tourists insist that nobody in Japan reads US comics because they're told that by Youtube grifters and hope no one calls them out
>>15466403990% of the marvel universe takes place in New York City. 9% takes place somewhere else in the universe. 1% is somewhere else on Earth. San Francisco, South Korea, and another galaxy have equal odds of showing up in a Marvel story, and they're all miles behind NYC in the number 1 spot. Marvel started in NYC and the writers put all their ideas in the city they lived in.
>>154666746Batman alone sells a lot there.THE BAT IS UNBEATABLE
>>154666024kek
>>154666656That New Warriors pitch was dunked on because it was a laughable premiseThe Starfire stuff was dunked on out of moral outrageThe closest thing that Marvel had to the latter was the Manara Spider-Woman cover, which felt so forced that I'm convinced it was done to cover up how Silk as written at the time would be an actual controversy if Twitter had caught on to it
I'm getting real convergence flashbacks
For those who may think this is a good thing, it's not.Dude harassed JMS out of the blue when he noted that ASM sales were declining from Wacker's bullshit with BND.It's just gonna be more of the same. Except now with Marvel HQ moved to LA instead of the original location of New York for easier synergy communication more than anything else
>>154666746There's a small audience for American comics in Japan. If the few Japanese people I've talked to are representative it's mostly leans Marvel over there, namely Spider-Man
>>154666951If you are going to leak a book then make a thread for it dumbass now piss off.
>>154666935>For those who may think this is a good thing, it's not.Yeah I think we got that impression from the following:>>154665019>>154665037>>154665271>>154665646
>>154667001Shut up, gwenschizo
>>154666951I also see it in Twitter as well, that's why I don't trust any Board Tourist on here who claims no one reads US comics in Japan
>>154667011MAKE A THREAD FOR LEAKED BOOKS OR SIMPLY FUCK OFF.
>>154665246I'm expecting HOW TO DRAW ANIME FOR BEGINNERS with lots of cleavage.
>>154666935>>154667003Also>>154664791>>154666142
>>154666090>Hardly any woman has ever read Spider-Man, there's nothing there that appeals to them.lmao lots of women love Spider-ManSome of the most ardent defenders I've seen of Peter/MJ have been women Shit dude, women used to send in pictures of themselves and ask to be his newest girlfriend
>>154666951Ah westaboos, they'll eat up anything. Thank fuck they're dying.
>>154667028Your tantrums mean nothing, gwenschizo
>>154666935Loved how Waid jumped out of the blue and acted all outraged. lmaohttps://bleedingcool.com/comics/fanboy-rampage-jms-vs-steve-wacker/
>>154666951Horikoshi of MHA named have the cities after star wars planets and has multiple spider-man references in people's moves. It's certainly got an audience.
>>154667053News flash OMD is staying canon hahaha
>>154667085Up until Wacker makes a mistake and spergs out on social media, I'd guess
>>154667045"Lots" is relative. Sure, maybe 100 women read Spider-Man and that's a lot of people if you put them all into one building, but it's dwarfed by all the many, many male Spider-Man fans. It's not like X-Men where they make up a larger portion of the audience. And back when Superior happened, I didn't see one woman complaining about Ock creeping on MJ. No complaints about Silk's pheremones either, that only happened after Sony announced the tv series and some of them started researching the character and found out about her origin.
>>154666951Peter's work history from a nippon fan. /co/ could never
>>154667118>that only happened after Sony announced the tv series and some of them started researching the character and found out about her originOnce again, the comics being so niche means that mainstream attention works like daylight on roaches.OMD works because the overwhelming majority of the public doesn't know that for close to two decades in real life Spider-Man has sold his marriage to the devil. It's a premise so absurd, so darkly hilarious, and yet treated as the few mandates about the character, that it's only saved because Comic books are such a nothing niche that alienates newcomers.
Which Marvel superhero will move to California to celebrate the shift of the company?What torture will Spider-Man be put through now?What obscure thing will get pushed to the front to show off the new creative direction?
>>154667279None.The regular kind.Nothing.Nothing ever happens.
>>154666935>Dude harassed JMS out of the blue when he noted that ASM sales were declining from Wacker's bullshit with BND.Oh not this horseshit again. JMS was being a disingenuous asshole over ASM's sales and the way he's a disingenuous asshole about almost anything when he needs to make himself look good and whoever he's against look bad.JMS was crowing about how sales were down compared to his run which also meant he was directly attacking Wacker and the writers Wacker was in charge of. His "proof" was using single issue sales but the entire point of BND was Marvel knowing that an individual issue of ASM would take a dip but the overall sales per month would be up and higher than ASM + side books. Which they were. JMS likely knew this as well but was intentionally obfuscating and lying to make himself look better. Wacker can be a douche but JMS is always a self-serving jackass who intentionally distorts events and information to make himself appear better i.e. his lying over OMD.
>>154667328>nothingInhumans.
>>154667141You never were on the multicrisis threads, right?
>>154667429Who is this? The Dan the fat slob or Stephen Wanker?
>>154666726>Gwenschizo actually believes Wacker will have the same kind of autonomy that his predecessors had and not be the mindless puppet of the new Disney approved President of Marvel.Lol, no.
>>154667517*Wrong pic.
>>154667429>Hey man this book that used to clear 100k now struggles to hit 50k>Uhhhh that's a good thing and was intended for you idiotDan Slopp here to tell it like it is
>>154665527>The magazines are the ones that dictate the editorial direction and oversight the individual series.the... publishing mediumNo, the editor is who dictates what happens and the publishing office is who dictates how its sold. Japan doesn't even do editorial offices, every book is managed by a single editor. Sueisha Publishing believes magazines are still worth it, but this has been an opinions that's been getting weaker since the late 00s.
>>154666656That New Warriors book was meant to be part of an event, Marvel used Covid as an excuse to scale the whole event down to just one mini, a bunch of other books got cancelled before #1 as well, people only even remember the New Warriors series because it was the comic equivalent of a lolcow.
>>154667517Does Disney ask for anything besides MCU synergy and profits?
>>154667510>>154667540Fuck off retards. I've hated JMS for 20 years because he's a merely above average writer on his best day and a giant prick 100% of the time. The one thing he's very good at, not writing mind you, is taking fan anger and twisting it to his own benefit to make himself look good.Marvel did BND under the logic that the ancillary books weren't selling as well as they should so ASM 3x a month would lead to higher overall Spider-Man sales than ASM + Sensational + Friendly Neighborhood, even if each individual issue sale of ASM was slightly lower. That was why they did BND and they were right about it because yes, the overall sales of the Spider-Man line picked up because they knew fans didn't view the ancillary books as important but would buy Amazing multiple times a month. JMS trying to use individual unit sales at the time was the disingenuous part because that's not what Marvel was measuring but he was doing it to push his argument that he was better and screwed over by Marvel.I genuinely do not like JMS. That's it. At least other assholes like Byrne have great comics to back up their egos with. JMS has Morlun and totems.
>>154667553>Japan doesn't even do editorial officesWhy you blatantly lie? The current editor in chief of the WSJ is Saitou Yuu. He like his predecessor needs to respond for the whole magazine and brand. The individual editors are just there to enforce the ideas of the EiC in the mangaka's works and are ultimately held responsible if a series success or fails in sales.Like do you even manga, breh?
>>154667740It really is Slott LOL
>>154667740Ah, turns out it is Steve Wanker.
>>154667740The guy is a blowhard, perfectly content to screw over Alan Moore for money he didn't even need.
>>154667740Have your bags been packed or are you already moved?
>>154665967>Red Hood and the Outlawswas that the one where nobody was reading it (and anyone who did hated it except the most ironypilled contrarians), the author explicitly stated they didn't read or like any of Jason Todd's stuff, and DC only pulled the plug when the author couldn't wait like a week before shitposting celebration of Charlie Kirk's death on a fucking professional twitter account? like a week or two delay and nobody would've given much of a shit, but GOTTA POST NOW.it takes a LOT for DC to cancel a book, that was kind of a confluence of disastrous incompetence.
>>154664640This is what I was wondering, is Disney gonna pay to have the people who killed sales like Brevoort to move to LA or are they just gonna say fuck it and hire all new people
>>154667786This was a book from back in 2011, people got upset over Slutfire.
>>154667786I think that other anon was talking about the Red Hood & Outlaws book from early New 52 with Starfire being slutty and with cheesecake art, and the usual humanoids being all outraged over it, not last year's Red Hood book that got cancelled because of the troon writer celebrating a political assassination.
>>154667788>Disney gonna pay
>>154667788Do they even need to force people to move when most of the editorial staff could conceivably work from home so long as they have a computer and a phone?
>>154667741>Why you blatantly lie?You not knowing what an editorial office despite posting in a thread about marvel comics does not mean i'm lying, disingenuous word twister.Case you forgot, Marvel subdivides into offices who are placed in charge of specific brands or lines and a budget to commission books.Japanese publishers in general give an editor to a single writer who approves or cancel the book. Editor may handle multiple books, but he has the ultimate authority over what the writer does, with no other editor being able to contest him.This is the wildest difference between japanese and american editorials. Meaning, there's basically no difference in editorial practices. there's not "anthology magazine office" that rules over everythingEvidently you also agree that anthology magazines have no parallel in digital, and therefore are a dying format, since you didn't even bother with a counter argument
>>154667841I mean what does Lowe even do?
>>154667517I don't think I'd believe in Disney being that hands-on with Marvel or the execs at Disney or Warner actually getting all STOP DEVALUING OUR CHARACTERS at the writers and editors until I see it happen.Until we have proof of that, this looks like it'll just be "meet the new boss, same as the last 3 bosses". He was the BND editor and an editor brought in during the Quesada years, so nothing's likely to change on Spider-Man, he had a hand in Carol becoming Captain Marvel and Kamala being introduced, so we're likely stuck with both of them, he went all in on performative woketardery, so if anything we could be in for a backslide to the worst of the Alonso years, and his thin-skinned overreactions to the slightest criticism of anything Marvel did don't make him look like the kind of person who'd be wanting to address and fix the mistakes of previous regimes when he could double down on them, insist they were good, and argue online with everyone who disagrees.The only real mysteries are whether he'll continue with Sebulba's MOAR X-BOOKS LIKE IT'S STILL THE 90S business strategy, or it he'll be the EIC to finally wake up and downsize that line, and which characters will suddenly get an attempted push just because the new boss likes them.
I doubt he'll be here for more than five years, possibly even less.Hell the entirety of Marvel Comics has its future looking grimdark.
>>154667841Disney would presumably want to enforce a stricter office culture than what is currently happening under the Shogun right now, so they would need to be at this West Coast office
>>154667850You keep twisting yourself into nods. lolThe existence of a EiC that is responsible for the whole magazine direction in fact shows that even if the physical print is in their way out, the structure actually matters. That is the whole point you keep sidestepping. Every EiC is the one that put their vision on the whole magazine and suicide what type of series they would promote or encourage to produce.That is something for what i doubt Yoshida-sama is going to be successful. Or at least is not going to be any meaningful original content.
>>154667813>>154667826i see.>>154667841Disney's run by old corpo culture folks; the idea of not working in an office causes them to spontaneously combust.
>>154663352If he won't put his daughter in gymnastics, then he just doesn't respect women.
>>154667741>The existence of a EiC that is responsible for the whole magazine direction in fact shows that even if the physical print is in their way out, the structure actually matters.editor in chief of SUEISHA's JUMP line, not WSJ. You keep insisting the existence of the line precludes the existence of the print magazine. It simply isn't like this.
>>154668006The guy who replaced Buckley (who needed to go) is a Feige stooge. One of the other guys they promoted is from Disney's music division. Wacker has a history in the comics but has been at animation and TV for the last 13 years under Feige's leadership and now they're moving from New York to L.A. to be even closer to Marvel Studios.I don't know if this means Disney/Feige are going to dictate stories per se but I do think what it's going to mean is that there's going to be pressure from Feige through his drones to make sure that the comics versions are in line with the movie and video game versions of the characters and that writers will be encouraged to make stories that are ready made to be adapted into other non-comics mediums. In effect, my worry is that Feige is effectively the real head of Marvel and is going to slopify the comics to feed the movies even more than they've already been and that a lot of the problems with Marvel are going to only get worse.The only way to save Marvel from a quality standpoint would be a complete divestment from Disney back into being its own company but that's obviously never going to happen and even if it somehow did would be unviable in an age of mass media consolidation and they'd just get bought up by someone just as bad or even worse (Paramount, a Chinese company like Tencent, the Saudis, etc.).>current X-Men is a '90s throwbackI swear to god, is this a reddit take or something? Have these people read '90s X-Men comics? Current X-Men is a Schism throwback. I have said this many times before. Go read the Schism era comics, then read the current comics. It's Schism nostalgia, not '90s nostalgia, because Brevoort has a giant boner for writers like Bendis and Aaron.
>>154668491>there's going to be pressure from Feige through his drones to make sure that the comics versions are in line with the movie and video game versions of the characters and that writers will be encouraged to make stories that are ready made to be adapted into other non-comics mediumsbeen a thing for decades already
>>154668527I'm aware of that. What I mean is that it's going to be even worse and even more blatant that the comics exist entirely to feed the movies. The movies will be leading, the comics will be made to support them and act as an idea farm with no illusion of them being or doing their own thing. That's why I said I'm expecting all the problems to get worse now that they'll be directly under Feige's thumb and not have the benefit of being on the other side of the country to allow them to have more leeway.Are the current X-Men comics based out of the mansion? No. And while in a vacuum I wouldn't mind if they were I will have a problem when it's done because that's what the movies are doing and Lord Feiggot demands the comics conform.
>>154663352Bullshit.They always get some corporate cock polisher to say absolute bullshit like that to handwaive an entirely corporate marketing decision to change a character.Did he want his daughter to look like a total bulldyke who's been mainlining testosterone? Cause that's exactly what Captain Marvel Carol Danvers looked like for YEARS after she took up the mantle.
>>154668491Feige and the MCU lost the Mandate of Heaven in 2022 with Dr Strange 2 and Thor 4, he needs to go as much as anyone does, but "bringing the comics more in line with the movies" doesn't sound as bad as you make it sound when the comics have spent the last 10-15 years turning everyone they can brown or gay.>The only way to save Marvel from a quality standpoint would be a complete divestment from Disney back into being its own company>and firing everyone>and de-canonizing virtually everything from at least 2001 onwards>I swear to god, is this a reddit take or something?I was talking about how many X-books they're publishing, not the content of them. They're making more than 10 per month like X-Men was still as popular as it was in the 90s even though these days most of them sell like an injection of AIDS. The ones that get storytimed here certainly do seem more like nostalgia for the Benis era than anything else.
>>154668260Quick question anon: how do you translate 編集長 and what does the page with the name of Saitou Yuu means when it says: "集英社の少年漫画雑誌『週刊少年ジャンプ』の第12代目編集長。"
>>154663279>C.B. Cebulski, who will be moving to Japanlul
>>154663279>including the best-selling “Brand New Day” and “Superior Spider-Man” eras of Amazing Spider-Man.DROPPEDstill
>>154666306Given Red Hood and the Outlaws and the New 52 in general fucking bombed, whatever audience they were chasing with THAT pile of shit doesn't seem to exist either.
>>154668613>but "bringing the comics more in line with the movies" doesn't sound as bad as you make it sound when the comics have spent the last 10-15 years turning everyone they can brown or gayIf my choice is brown and gay with the occasional Unbelievable Gwenpool level comic to make up for it I will take that over soulless safe focus tested slop.
>>154669428You chose poorly. Your way is going to ruin more characters in ways that won't be reversible.Gwenpool? Seriously? Look at the absolute state of yourself.
Akira Yoshida is living out his dream now
>>154668607>>Did he want his daughter to look like a total bulldyke who's been mainlining testosterone? >Cause that's exactly what Captain Marvel Carol Danvers looked like for YEARS after she took up the mantle.>casualgaters vs actually reading comics
>>154667279Ben will be redeemed and then he will move to California to become the west coast Spider-Man.
Wait, so this IS the same guy, the very SAME guy, that pretended to be japanese to further to get hired by marvel in the first place.Why the fuck is he still around?
>>154669052It didn't, they even put out an omnibus in 2018. Carried a lot by the art, Rocafort looks pretty good.
>>154669428>Gwenpool, the character they put through canon conversion therapy (she knows the writers exist) to turn into the most token "ace/aro" representation possible
>>154663279>>154663287CB somehow managed to tank the comics during the biggest boon the marvel franchise has ever had and possibly will ever have. They probably are doing this as a quiet firing or they believe he has this ability to keep a division just barely alive so they are going to ship him to Japan to work on books no one has heard of. Im sure he'll go over great there.Wacker either got demoted or they are desperate to get some degree of competence in.
Midnight is going to be such a fucking disaster.I can't wait.
>>154669609No, he was already hired by Marvel as an editor when the company imposed a rule that editors can't also be writers, and he worked around that rule by getting other editors he was friends with to hire him as a writer, but he'd use a pen-name, and it was a Japanese name because he's a weeb.The idea that nobody at Marvel knew "Akira Yoshida" was actually CB Cebulski just isn't true, they knew they were hiring their friend. Readers at the time widely suspected Yoshida was a weeb and not a real Japanese writer.
>>154669611An Omnibus doesn't mean jack shit, dude. Just because it makes you mad doesn't mean it didn't happen, some of us were here at the time.
>>154668613>doesn't sound as bad as you make it sound when the comics have spent the last 10-15 years turning everyone they can brown or gay.If you didn't think a lot of this happened because the movie people requested it you are seriously naive
>>154669694I was around too. The New 52 did really well at first and then cratered hard since most of it wasn't really any good, but Lobdell's run on Red Hood had healthy sales.
>>154669867That only explains Nick Fury Jnr and the synergy Eternals, the rest is just the current generation of writer doing what they always do at Marvel and DC, they can't stop themselves.
> DC moved from NYC to Burbank, now Marvel is doing the samewhat is there to do in Burbank? seems like a mediocre suburb.
>>154669466I don't want books produced via algorithm that match up with garbage produced for braindead normalfags and Chinese and Indian retards watching Big Marvel Special Effects CGI Spectacular Part Gorillion. It's a lesser of two evil things and if the option is bad books with the occasional good book vs. endless bland mediocrity, the Chinese takeout version of comic books, then I'd rather have the former.
>>154669927Burbank is where Disney's headquarters is. It's gay corporate brand integration shit to give Disney and Feige more control over the comics.
What's next, The New Yorker is moving there too?
>>154669927Mediocre suburbs are the place you want to be in LA.
>>154669971i'd rather not be in California at all, thank you
>>154663279It's never been more over
>>154669971>Not packing He was asking for it.
>>154668636Editor = Editor in Chief in Japan, because they operate on the concept of assistant editors being part of a single team, which is rare.https://jump.fandom.com/wiki/Weekly_Sh%C5%8Dnen_Jump_EditorsSaito is not EiC of the entire jump comics line, just of the book.Did you jump into this discussion not reading a single thing about comic books publishing?
>>154667517>>154667531>wrong picthey both work
>>154665037>this>Akira Yoshida yellowface>Lobdell got 100 issues on Red Hood>Tom King openly bragged about torturing people for the CIA at a convention>Brevoort brought John Byrne backit's kinda hilarious that the only person to actually get cancelled in the comic book industry was that one tranny who tweeted about Charlie Kirk
>>154670214There is not a book. But a magazine with different series, every one with their individual editor. And that magazine is competing with another magazines inside their publisher. Like are you slow or why are returning to talk about previous talking points?
>>154670270oh, no, Marvel will cancel your mini on issue 4 of 6 for not meeting shareholder targets. that writer had a history of being an asshole, and had already alienated a huge portion of the progressive twitter/bluesky crowd. lots of stone throwing from a glass house, and it didn't help that both fans and haters of Jason Todd did not like the book, and no one's as masochistic as Spider-Man fans so they didn't hate buy the book, either.
>>154670328>There is not a book. But a magazineA magazine is a "book" in publishing parlance. As in, a bundle of pages that are printed. The contents are irrelevant beyond their sale value.An editor takes care of a book. IN the big 2 publishing system, there's offices of editors which have a budget that commission books from scripters/writers and artists.Otherwise, in most non-indie western publishing companies, AND IN ALMOST ALL COMPANIES IN JAPAN INCLUDING SHUEISHA'S JUMP COMICS LINE. There's one editor ruling over a "book", in japan there's a thing with "assistant" editors, ergo editing office #3 of sheisha, the "mainline" of jump having a dozen editors-in-chief (where Yu is only one of unless he got recently promoted to head of editing office 3#) for every serial (individual works by a writer/artist combo) which sheisha publishing office, in accordance/suggestion of editing office #3, prints in tankobons and chooses which serial goes into the magazine. The latter being increasingly irrelevant since japs today READ AND FILTER SERIALS ONLINE.You can try swerving all you want, you'll not find Shueisha or the japanese publishing industry of 2025 standing out in any way compared to the US, Korea or China. Back to /a/ with the exceptionalist larp.
Or back to gaia maybe, since /a/ scanlates and obtains their rips exactly from the sources i described
I hope this is a good thing. I love the Marvel characters but I'm not interested in basically anything they're doing now.
>>154667001>thinks the Japanese translation of a fourteen-year-old book is a leakFucking mongoloid.
>>154670270>>Brevoort brought John Byrne backHuh? Byrne got his book published over at Abrams, not MarvelAnd from someone else's tweet or whatever it sounded like he didn't want to deal with people at Marvel directly
>>154669899The only one you can say were "on their own" were Miles, Nova (Sam) and Kamalathe production of Captain America Civil War was where there was a major clash between Marvel Studios and Marvel Entertainment, because the latter believed it would be too costly to bring RDJ back. Even though Feige won that argument he knew there'd be a time when they need to get the main Avengers off the table because of increased salary costs.Put it this way, we all saw what happened in the All-New All-Different era and the second Marvel Now. Feige should've seen what happened with Ironheart in the comics and avoided using her. Instead he chose to continue to use her, even though Bendis was part of that Creative Committee which Feige wanted to override, which makes me believe she had to be part of some mandate from Feige (like "can you guys give me a replacement for Iron Man?" or something)
>>154664827Why not make comics cheap as well? Just think about the situation, nowadays you can buy a cheap video game off steam that will entertain you for 40-50 hours for the same price of 1-2 floppies that will entertain you for 2 hours at max. Why is it that even video games are a cheap medium compared to western comics?
>>154665714Marvel characters are popular because of MvsC but the comics rarely sell.
>>154666725>Batman manga outsold everything related to marvelThat's not a big deal bro. >one being Shirow.Shirow hasn't drawn proper manga in a while.
>>154666951>>154666746>>154666711How do cape comics sell compared to manga in japan? Aren't they a niche?
>>154671317>rarely sellWell at least you're not claiming no one buys it, this time
>>154671334>everyone is the same personCome on dude. I've just opened this thread.
>>154666746>JapanThe Absolute sales are from america not japan though. They should make absolute spider-man if they want the same success.
>>154670480>y READ AND FILTER SERIALS ONLINE.B-but /co/ told me everyone in japan is reading physical manga on the train...
>>154667279>Which Marvel superhero will move to California to celebrate the shift of the company?Spider-Man, there's an issue of Timeless that previews Pete in LA with a new costume. Maybe it's the post #1000 status quo, DTLA isn't really big enough for web swinging.
>>154671383its gonna be like the one issue of spidey tracking down a criminal in the suburbs but for the entire run.
>>154671383Considering there is so little tying Peter to New York anymore maybe he really will be moving. Aunt May will be someone on call or something, or daft hijinks involving zoom meetings the writers put in to keep up with 'the youth'.At the least he might get a civilian cast again.
>>154670480Nta but can I ask you 2 questions?1. Is every magazine published digitally? If so where I can find Flowers and Harta sites? I can fin the Feel Young one but that is really recent and doesn't have all the selection I want. 2. If the digital comics sale are standardized, then how well does american superhero stuff get digital subscriptions in japan?
>>154663279Shit
>>154671383He's went to LA a couple of times. I'd be a nice change of pace to have a run there. Aside from May it's not like there's much tying him to NYC currently
>>154663279>The Shogun's being sent to a farm in Japan while a holdover from the worst of the 00s is stepping inGrim.
>>154663279oh jesus
>>154671827Some guy on Twitter claimed to have worked at Marvel during the 2010s is responding to a bunch of people, claiming that during the 10s Wacker hired on "failed actor friends" that didn't know much about comics, as editors. Which editors would that even refer to?
>>154663776more like pro-wanker
Moving to LA just shows how the comics side will be even more about being just an IP and copyright renewal farm for other media adaptations
>>154671940oooooo got em!!
>>154671300Comics are being held hostage by old and out of touch comic shop owners who don't want to lose business. At some point Marvel, DC, etc. are going to have to switch to the "app subscription gets everything day and date" model and consign physical floppies to being the realm of collectors... which is more or less the case since what drives floppy sales now is variants.
>>154671371Most of 4chan, and western spaces in general, still view anime and manga through the lens of the 2000s during the first boom.
>>154671864Sounds like a load of shit. Most editors even today are 2000s holdovers or came over from smaller companies. Even Amanat was from Virgin Comics.
>>154672063Samefagging but does this dumbass know that a lot of people got into comics from non-comic backgrounds? Claremont started as an editor and was a literal theaterfag and failed actor.
>>154672041That's why buying comics shouldn't be encouraged
>>154672041Variants are what sells Marvel. DC isn't nearly as reliant on them, and neither are the indies. People buy physical trades of non-Marvel stuff because they want to read it. Marvel is the only publisher that's gone to 90s crash levels of reliance on speculators.
>>154672368It's incredible how worthless the stories behind the covers are.Marvel haven't learnt a single lesson from the 90's.
>>154671438Nta either, but Harta is on Bookwalker. Can't find Flowers.
>>154667553>Japan doesn't even do editorial officeswell that was a blatant fucking lie
>>154663279Holy shit yoshida achieved his dream
Did you know?Wacker rhymes with "Motherfucker"Coincidence? I think not!
>>154668139>even if the physical printIIRC they basically let it slip that subscribers specifically subbed to the digital version of the mag (that is, not jump+) make up the amount lost via physical readership on a basically linear trajectory.
>>154672761>be the editor for more big 2 shit that will never truly catch in japanWasn't his dream to continue actually writing his weeb comics?
>>154669659Oh, well... I suppose people can't be THAT incompetent, true.
>>154671323DC still has the GITS Batman Beyond crossover on the trigger, and unironially this is the perfect storm to do so.
>>154671383The timeslide page showed Mary Jane donning the suit.If she becomes Amazing Spider-Girl at the end of QiB, it means that both are moving to LA, But also Black Cat is getting the panther mask.
>>154671383>Spider-Man, there's an issue of Timeless that previews Pete in LA with a new costume.That was Ben with the Beyond suitIt was bait to hide that they were making him Chasm
>>154672968I don't know if people even care about Terry anymore and even with the new GITS anime I still have a hard time seeing Shirow drawing new manga especially GITS stuff.
>>154673080DC has mora to help him, also its BATMAN.
>>154671317The comics don’t matter anymore, unfortunately
>>154673394It don't matter. None of this matters.
>>154667085Do you wanna know what marvel is going to next anon here let me clue you in>The story begins with peter's visting gwen's grave as he arrives there he is suprised to find her casket dug up and open and Gwen's body missing, as he wonders what the hell happened to it he is suddenly engulfed by a great white light from above the sky and the next moment he vanishes. he then fiinds himself in space by a city made by the The High Evolutionary and is confronted by him we then then see a bunch of humans he has captured along with gwen's body. As it turns he has big evil plans for the human race among them he wants to resurrect Gwen then give her superpowers.make her a supervillain and then make go up against spider-man. Oh and it turns out he knows peter is in fact spiider-man. So Gwen is brought back but stripped of her memories of her past she does not who she is buy despite that she has a hatred for spider-man and the two them end fighting each other. But this doesn't last for long don't want to give up too much away but suffice it to say that Gwen does get her memories back and she and spider-man foil the The High Evolutionary plans.
>>154674132>Gwenschizo's posting his gay fanfiction again.This isn't your blog.
>>154674162yeah you right we here at marvel are still woking o the story but these are pretty much are plans fotr gwen. Oh yeah so what happens next is this>After Peter and Gwen foil the the High Evolutionary plans they are find themselves back on earth it is at this point Gwen confronts spider-man about her father's death since when she got her memories back she also got the memory back that peter is in fact spider-man. anyway the whole thing abour her father's death gets resolved. So Gwen says that her feelings for peter have now changed given everything which has happened and that she no longer loves him. In fact she says she needs to be alone anf find her own path so she dumps. So what happens next is she becomes a superhero and starts to fight the bad guys. After a while the avengers begin to taker notice her of handiwork and they offer her to be a back member to which she accepts and then after a bit she becomes involved with another avenger member they fall in love and begin a affair.
So… from what I gather. Nothing has really changed and Yoshida was promoted out.
>>154675144Probably. At least with Yoshida he doesn't pick fights online while he was EIC. I don't know if Wacker learned from that or not. It is concerning to see the number of randos in the Bleeding Cool comments section try to downplay it.He has a better track record as an editor/coordinator by comparison (compare Wacker-era Slott vs Lowe-era Slott) which means the Marvel Machine will probably run more smoothly compared to Yoshida-era. He'll probably make some decisions that'll piss off people though
>>154671371>/co/ told me
>>154672761Soon
>>154675144When DC moved from New York to California they lost half their employees. Tom Brevoort said that he’d rather leave the company than move to California a few years ago. There’s inevitably going to be some major shakeups downstream too, and it’s not looking good for guys like Lowe or Brevoort.At a minimum, they’re going to have to lose out on a lot of old employees, and hire new people. It’s unavoidable at this point.
>>154674132>>154674316I bet you some sort of pedophile wrote this.
>>154676510Oh do be serious everyone knows editoral hates Mary Jane why do you think they keep making her so bad? their end goal has always been her total festruction with her reputation destroyed they can then jusfity Gwen's resurrection.
>>154676820>festructionI don’t know this word.
>>154663279The funniest part is that Cebulski was the biggest Gwen Stacy fan over at Marvel, and kept on insisting in panels that Gwen was Peter’s true love. Oh, and, guess what? HE’S POLISH TOO!I guess Marvel had quite enough of Gwen Stacy, and the awful Gwenschizo too…
>>154676493He is now a line editor. Probably he could afford to move there. Or just working remote, like most of the people.
>>154669941>food analogy
>>154676870Hahaha marvel got what they wanted they wanted to make MJ a total shit character and that's what they now Gwen's Stacy return is just around the corner. Let's be honest with each other we always knew it was going to end this way it was inevitable really the end,
>>154672110>>154673394>>154673630happiest /co/ntrarians
>>154675691>implying the yamato nadeshiko won't be throwing themselves at him
>>154677339The only things throwing themselves at him will be burgers(hell he might actually eat healthier in japan)
>>154677530Have you seen his social media? It's full or restaurant photos. This guy lived like 5 years in Singapore and only became more and more fat.
>>154663279DCfag here that occasionally reads infernal hulkIs this good or bad
>>154677571Good and bad
>>154677571A net neutral outcome.
>>154677571there are people spinning it as a good thing because of Wacker's history, but leadership turnover + moving across the continent is not exactly an auspicious sign for projects like Midnight that haven't even gotten off the ground yet. trust in the Marvel Comics brand is in a rather bad place of late. he doesn't have much runway to work with if he wants to make a big positive impact, and the best impact he's likely to have is indirect. this will depend a lot on the way he handles Marvel's sub-offices, since they're the direct editors.
>>154677571I have no strong feelings one way or the other.
>>154674316>Gwenschizo thinks that he actually works for Marvel and that his fagfiction will actually get published.What a retard!
>>154677157They made MJ into Venom, because she is still a character that sells comics, and kept Gwen as a corpse. Gwenfags keep eating shit as usual. No wonder Cebulski was fired…
>>154677571yes
>>154677339otokonoko too
>>154672368>DC isn't nearly as reliant on themYes they are. Those big Batman numbers they were touting had dozens of variants and blind bags pump the numbers. Marvel and DC's comics exist to sell variants, not the other way around.
>>154664677It's different because the Japenese editors wouldn't make deals that benefit Marvel. Only themselves.
>>154664718>>154664707Sounds like retarded excuses being made for retarded babies who can't read.
>>154665037>that last tweet at the bottomThat's literally all male feminists.
>>154665271Literally yes.
>>154679972I don't think you understand the difference between "reliant on" and "uses." DC isn't even reliant on Absolute, their mainline is still selling just fine. Marvel on the other hand would be in really rough shape without variant sales boosts.
>>154680272You can shave off a third of ASM's sales from variants alone.
>>154667577>profitsThat's just it. These comics keep selling worse with each year. And since the new boss is the same as the old one, it's going to keep flopping.
>>154677571Wacker is a pretty good editor. It's the moving and all the sudden leadership changes/firings that's questionable. DC had tons of leadership changes and firings and it made the company worse for about 2-4 years years before things started to turn around. And even then DC's editorial is still pretty sucky because they let a lot of shit slide that would've been caught before when their editors weren't stretched as thin.
>>154680447NTA but Marie Javins has done a pretty good job overall as DC's EiC since 2020 (kind of a rough time to take the job, too). Not many issues with delays or unexpected cancellations (when they happen they're isolated to problems the writers/artists are having), doesn't have a draconian mandate or weird obsessive hangups that get in the way of creatives, events are coordinated between books pretty well.You basically never hear about her because she just... does the job.
>>154680602Editorial is one of those jobs where the more aware the audience is of their efforts, the more obvious they are doing it poorly.
>>154680602Some of those editors and writers could use some wrangling, going too hands-off is also a mistake.
>>154663279Cebulski being the Marvel guy in Japan is up there with Dini marrying a real life version of his waifu.
>>154680675Lemme guess, Tom King WW and Huh-twosh? I think the latter they just wanted to kick out the door, it had already been delayed a bunch - it might literally have been her wrangling that kept it from being delayed even longer.
>>154680687I wonder how aware the Japanese are with the shoguns antics.Have 2chan had any threads about this?
>>154680771The few japanese accounts in Twitter that post about amecomics have mentioned but nobody seems to care. Superhero comics are a very niche product there.
>>154681164And Marvel is trusting the Shoguns penpal to turn that around?
>>154680687The dude was there for years before ever working for Marvel. He was a military brat or something where he lived between bases around there and America. That's what led to him getting a job with Central Park Media (early anime VHS distributor/licensor) which was probably one of the best positions to have to keep a foot in the entertainment industry while being as talentless and uncreative as he is. >>154680306I wish we could get the sales data of each variant and see how utterly btfo'd these lame-os and their muh sales arguments would be.>>154665271Wacker. Another in the long line of extremely polarized faggot retards who pretend to not understand someone else's points and then run away into their echo chamber after feeling fear.
Does anyone know how out of Akira's depth he is, when it comes to Japan and/or Modern Japan? If Marvel's editorial is so incompetent that they let Bennett and Jewery get through, do you think some mangaka is gonna be able to sneak anything in? I guess they'll respect the company with their whole autism about respecting corporations too much to do that. But then again, there some madlads there.Also imagine the interaction Akira has with some mangaka or otaku who basically gives him the ultimate redpill and says they'll undoubtedly fail because their books won't have sexy characters.
>>154665271What is the context of this? Who is raping whom?
>>154681842Go pirate Superior Spider-Man issue 2 and see for yourself. Pic rel is one page. Basically Ock jacking off using Peter's memories. Slott wrote this abysmal trash that somehow Stegman agreed to and Marvel signed off on. Stegman should've BTFO'd them. Ock's also going to kiss MJ at one point in the issue but she like shoots him down and feels something is off. Before that she already kissed him with Ock in there in issue 700. But the fact it got that close is insane. Some may be exaggerating that it was tantamount to rape but...it is some weird shit Ock would never fucking do because he's only ever been into Aunt May or Stunner and his egotistical personality would see MJ as a shallow person and nothing else. He wouldn't even stoop to trying to do anything with her except find out more of Peter's secrets or hold her hostage. Y'know shit that should happen in a popular book for kids and adults and not this weird degenerate ragebait garbage that Slott was trying to farm ragebux from and get on Brevoort's cock and ride it to royalties and more movie deals that fat faggot constantly bitches and moans about wanting.It's a level of sleaze that Ock never showed before and MJ isn't this dumb to even be in this story at this point, instead she should've immediately seen something was off. This type of "comedy" that Slott went for, corrupts and destroys any sense of characterization these books had. And it veers the book into being a soapbox that Slott grabs onto and says that everyone who enjoyed old Spider-Man is the shallow creep because they admired beauty rather than that dwarf cardboard cutout of Anna Marconi.
>>154681842This was around the time of Superior Spider-Man, they're talking about if Ock in Spider-Man's body has sex with Mary Jane counts as rape by deceptionI assume that despite Wacker being flippant they had to quickly avoid that because they didn't want another Michelle Gonzales situation on their hands. Remember those parts of BND?
>>154681961I'm not one to samefag but in this case I forgot to say but comics being for kids as Wacker puts it, betrays the fact they wrote shit like this, Disassembled, Ultimatum, Civil War, etc. Books that have gore and a bunch of sleazy shit that is immature edge that they painted the 90's as. How does a disingenuous faggot like that think Superior is ok? Oh I know...the fact Darwyn Cooke poured a drink over Lowe's head shows how stubborn and retarded they are when it comes to their jobs.
>>154681985IIRC it wasn't over Lowe's head, it was over Alonso's head
>>154681977I think someone on the Wonder Woman 84 movie tried that same debate tactic Wacker said but since it was the 2020, everybody clowned immediately on that scene with Diana and Trevor and made fun of it for being rape by deception. Wacker would get raped nowadays on social media if he tries the same shit or is still as bad as he was or is as bad as current day Lowe.Flippancy doesn't work anymore. Suprised it worked back then. But I guess Marvel has become so saturated and news is so slow, everyone is watching Spider-Man like a hawk to hammer these faggots into the earth.
>>154681991Ah ok. https://www.tcj.com/the-darwyn-cooke-interview-by-markisan-naso/4/Found it. Still seems like he regarded Lowe the same way. Haven't heard as much about Alonso but reading old letters columns by him make him seem like Lowe 1.0 because of how smug and self-serving his responses are. I know anons have stories about bad Alonso decisions probably so tell those if you want. It was over Marvel Adventures or Cooke wanting to do something with kids Marvel books and the idea getting poached from him right or was it something to do with how the stories were getting decompressed and shitty?
>>154681961Ah, triggered the spider-schizo and got the meltdown answer. Nvm.
>>154680272Every issue of Absolute Batman has multiple variants. The entire industry is reliant on them. Variant hunter whales are the only thing propping up the physical comic scene at this point.
>>154682042Nice strawmanning. Tell me next time you finish reading more than one page of a book. I won't care but it will impress me considering your current argumentative skills. Or better yet, write an answer that isn't just cowardice cloaked in apathy.
>>154682037Yeah basically Cooke pitched a kids line, he and other friends like J Bone would work on it. Sometime later they announce either Marvel Age or Marvel Adventures, I don't know which. Cooke gets pissed, confronts Alonso at a con in 2004 a dumps a beer on his head.I think Lowe took a shot at Cooke in an issue of Wizard over the incident and Brevoort, getting a question from someone about why Cooke hasn't done more work for Marvel, just flat-out said that Cooke poured a beer on one of their senior editors as the reason
>>154681977Good, a non schizo answer. Yeah, it's terrible optics and the answer of Wacker make it sound like an ass. But it's pretty in line with the David Brothers melty that others have poster here.>>154682011I wonder how people would have reacted to his answer in Brothers book about trasvesting to use the bathroom of the office. Seems that at least he learned to shut his mouth in public.
>>154682069>non schizo answer>in Brothers book about trasvesting to use the bathroom of the officeSeems like anon had a stroke.
>>154680602I guarantee you the thing with the 10 issues or less and all the other shit is coming from above editorial and I doubt will get any better with further Disney scrutiny. DC gets away with it because Warner in general has always seemed more hands off and at the moment their corporate owners aren't in a position to micromanage them.>>154681808I think people are vastly overestimating what Cebulski's new role is. Probably he might help try and sell Marvel for things like video games and new anime series or something but it's an effective exile while still hoping that either they get some use out of him or he gets fed up at being in a do nothing position and leaves.
>>154682056Keeping seething, it's very entertaining.
>>154682063Yeah that's right. I was going off vague memories from a previous thread.Lowe is a scorpion in the scorpion and thr frog fable. You'd think he'd like shut his fucking mouth after that incident but nope. For some reason he has to say what happened, dragging himself, Alonso, and Cooke down. Weird immature thinking.
>>154682103>Brothers bookBrothers' blog. it's on this post, the bottom one comment >>154665019
>>154682113>Akira being put in the position of the company waiting on him to quit so they put him in a useless position by sending him to Japan where they invented such tacticsSasuga, Nippon. >>154682115That's a nice cope, did your boyfriend tell you to write that?
>>154682133Are you still seething because the funny man with red pajamas isn't longer married?
>>154682193Are you so mad that you can't type in proper English? After 10 minutes of thinking up a response?
>>154681230Probably not. I doubt he will make any actual change.
>>154682011It worked back then only because Marvel was able to get away with stuff in the early 2010s and was also able to have some control over the coverageLooking back, I want to say it was the mid/late-2010s when their control over the narrative started faltering because both left and right crowd weren't swayed by Marvel's usual defenses or gaslighting
>>154682011Marvel Comics current crew have 'won' by remaining a niche within a niche. The more their stories are known, like Spider-Man selling his marriage to the devil, the more they are rejected as prima facie retarded by the general public.
>>154664000Wait, has Waid gone shit?
>>154671188Cebulski wanted to publish it via Marvel, but whatever reasons (Byrne himself maybe) they resolved to Abrams ComicArts' Marvel Arts imprint.
>>154670270>Tom King openly bragged about torturing people for the CIA at a conventionplz sauce, i hate that guy
What would Gerard do if Peni Parker is outsourced to the one and only?
>>154682745Yeah but it doesn't sound like Brevoort had any involvement in that, as >>154670270 claimed
>>154682775Do you have animation in mind because Anno hasn't drawn manga himself?
>>154663279I hate comicsthebeat website almost as much as I hate rich the leech.>It’s worth remembering that by the time he left Marvel as editor in chief, Axel Alonso was pretty much the whipping boy for everything wrong with comics, but looking back….man, that was a fun era! A lot of new things were tried, and new, valuable characters were created or old ones repurposed. The biggest problem at the end of Alonso’s tenure, as I recall it, was the endless reboots that didn’t go anywhere and got rebooted every nine months. Cebulski ended the diminishing reboot returns, but even back in 2017, when he took over, people were complaining about Marvel’s sales, just like they do now. >Part of this was the backlash from a segment of the community that branded everything they didn’t like as “woke.” Ironically, the anti-wokers are still saying Marvel is too woke and wishing to return to a previous time – when it was actually way more diverse in demographics AND content. That’s because these folks don’t seem to actually pay attention to facts or logic. >What must Marvel do now? I’ve written about this many times here before, but the Buckley/Cebulski/Gabriel/Bogart regime at Marvel operated for a long time under the weird ways of Ike Perlmutter. Weird ways like not promoting the X-men or the Fantastic Four when they were at a different studio, and not having a functioning backlist, and other stuff. From a piece I wrote all the way back in 2011, when Marvel was undergoing seasonal budget cuts:
>Paul Levitz, our comics history laureate, had a post about it on FB. Since it’s short I’ll quote the whole thing:>It’s probably hard to imagine, but in the early ‘70s, DC, Marvel, Western, Harvey, Archie, Skywald and Warren were all within about a mile and a half stretch of Manhattan…totally walkable…plenty of coffee shops and hangouts in between, and only another mile or so to the ball fields of Central Park. The comics creative community was tiny, but it was an easy time to form friendships and interact. Several of the newspaper syndicates were in that same neighborhood too. The only outliers were Charlton up in the wilds of Connecticut and Western’s LA office. >Wishing the Marvel folks an easy transition either to Burbank or wherever they may each choose to go next.>(Of course, America’s current largest comics publisher is still in Manhattan…Scholastic’s Graphix.)
>>154663279Well this will be a disaster
>>154684187No change from current protocol, then
>>154682247No, i was falling sleep and letting the phone's auto+corrector to go wild. You finally stopped unraveling?
>>154677785shitposting aside marvel arts may very well publish a fanfiction. Picture this scenario during secret invasion the Silver Surfer comes across a human being captured by the skrulls held in suspended animation, he is shocked to find out it is none other Gwen Stacy. Since the skrulls deception is uncovered they can come clean with their scheme. As it turns out they abducted the real Gwen Stacy long ago and then reoplaced her with a agent of their own. It turns out norman never really had a affair with Gwen rather he was having a affair with a skrull who took upon Gwen's form. In addition tto this the "Gwen" he murdered was in fact a skrull. The skrulls did all this since they wanted to ruin Peter and Gwen's life oh and it turns they knew Peter was in fact Spider-Man. Yes coming soon straight from marvel arts enjoy anon
>>154684686So you're retarded and lazy. Gotcha.
>>154684704I heard Hitler is also gonna make an appearance too. But what is he doing in Poland....?
>>154684704Marvel doesn't hire pedophiles.
>>154683539the healing is not fast enof
BND guy or not, backlash over Paul damaged the company, and Marvel was already pivoting to aggressive MJ pandering with the sixtieth anniversary, VenoMJ, and killing off Paul. They're going to drag their feet on the marriage for forever, but given Kelly said he had to cut the Raelith plot short, I'm pretty sure Peter and MJ are due for yet another reconciliation. Hopefully this one is allowed to last.
>>154680747Among other decisions. It's pretty easy to forget, but two years ago, it looked like DC was on its way to becoming about as small as Image. Absolute pulled their fat out of the fire. Now Marvel and DC's positions have been reversed.
>>154685330Killing Ultimate out of nowhere was a retarded move. Ultimate Spider-Man was very much a 'BREAK GLASS IN CASE OF EMERGENCY' kind of book, and once it looked like they were out of hot water, they got cocky and decided they didn't need to keep the line going.The fact that news of Ultimate's relaunch was even more abrupt than its cancellation shows that the Quesada cronies in editorial got way too cocky, and assumed people would be lining up to crawl back to ASM as soon as they half-heartedly killed off Paul.
>>154685391They didn't kill Ultimate out of nowhere. Hickman and Momoko didn't want to do any more than 24 issues and they had no one else good lined up. DC was dumb enough to give Deniz Camp an exclusive contract, repeating their mistake with Bendis.
>>154685449>Momoko didn't want to do any more than 24 issuesI could maybe buy Hickman, but that's *definitely* not true where Momoko is concerned.
>>154685478Her translator said that was always the case.
>>154685491A lot of mangaka are really terrible at writing endings and Peach was no exception.
>>154682723He’s just insufferable on Twitter and anons hop on that. He’s not what he used to be sure but 7/10 times you buy a comic written by waid you’re in for a good time
>>154685491I'm afraid to say that Zack has never been an honest or reliable guy.The whole 'the CREATORS wanted to end this on their OWN terms' was just a bullshit line editorial wanted the writers to feed to the upset fans. If it weren't the case, pivoting to a relaunch completely out of the blue makes no sense at all.Either Marvel was lying when they said they always planned it to be a limited run, or else Marvel was lying when they said the creators cancelled it willingly. If you're a freelance comic book writer, an already low paying job in a dwindling industry, it's never a good idea to bite the hand that feeds. You tell people what you're told to say, it's what's painted as professionalism.
>>154685499Tbh most western media, including comics, has terrible endings, look at stranger things, got and the boys for recent examples. It's really hard to write good endings nowadays.
>>154685499>just continues the plot as if the cancellation never happenedYeah lol she totally agreed with the plan to end the book that was always the plan lmao. The relaunch? Well, that's *also* somehow all part of the plan!!!
>>154685103>and Marvel was already pivoting to aggressive MJ panderingRetard-kun they've been doing that since BND nearly 20yrs ago.Covers have MJ as his awesome girlfriend while the actual comic characterizes her as a hypocritical bitch. This just says you're easily baited by covers showing them together.
>>154685550You could probably find plenty of examples from the past as well. It's just really hard in general to write a satisfying ending.
>>154685591I'm not talking about variant covers retard, I'm talking about the actual comics.I guaran-fucking-tee you if Zeb Wells was able to quietly shuffle her off to her dream life with the faggot Paul, we wouldn't be having a 60th Anniversary Issue, we wouldn't have VenoMJ, and we wouldn't have Paul getting shanked to death.Editorial knows they fucked up, that they're in trouble, and they are desperately trying to swing the pendulum back in the other direction again, somehow, without pandering to the audience *too* hard.Like with Ultimate Spider-Man, this sudden massive MJ push is very much a BREAK GLASS IN CASE OF EMERGENCY scenario. She's Venom, she's centered in two crossover events, she's being set up to get back with Peter, she's getting an anniversary issue, and Paul's a rotting corpse in the ground that only Dylan Brock sometimes barely acknowledges at this point.That's a hell of a lot more than just a few store-exclusive variant covers, nigga.
>>154685645VenoMJ is complete trash, though.
>>154685656I'll take that shit over Jackpot and Paul any day of the week. Most of the people upset about this are annoyed Eddiefags frustrated by the fact that Zeb's run was so shit that they now need to dedicate Ewing's Venom book to run damage control for that garbage in tandem with Kelly's ASM.
>>154685645>I guaran-fucking-tee you if Zeb Wells was able to quietly shuffle her off to her dream life with the faggot PaulThere would still be anniversary variants because variants are Marvel's actual money maker. Add on to that the fact that MJ is one of Marvel's most beloved female characters and normal non-schizo people don't really care about the Paul shit, only her, will ignore all that because it's fictional, and just focus on her Regardless of anything with Paul they would've broken up eventually because of Marvel's policy regarding status quo and 'putting the toys back in the box' once a run is done.
>>154664602>on one hand disney has the pocket to force itself into japanMicrosoft has deeper pockets, but they still couldn't win over Japan with the Xbox.
>>154685701>>154685656I like her better now that they've deleted the god-awful mouth. Either give her actual fangs or keep a full face-mask like Peter.
>>154685705I'm not talking about the fucking variants, because there are always variants, I'm talking about the actual sixtieth anniversary issue dedicated to her.>Regardless of anything with Paul they would've broken up eventually because of Marvel's policy regarding status quo and 'putting the toys back in the box' once a run is done.Now you're the one being delusional. They fucking hate her. They hate the fans like her. Zeb's run was basically a sustained and desperate effort to turn her into nothing more than a redheaded Betty Brant, and they absolutely would have kept that shit going if people didn't give them so much shit over it while sales dropped due to bad word of mouth.
>>154685746>and they absolutely would have kept that shit going if people didn't give them so much shit over itThey literally do not care about fan perception lolPeople were calling them misogynistic for giving MJ the equivalent of the Avenger's 200 issue and they shrugged off the complaints No one else wanted to take over permanently so Wells kept going
>>154685814>They literally do not care about fan perception lolThey pretend they don't care up to a certain point.
>>154685645Amazing. It's like watching Charlie Brown try to kick the ball.
>>154685814>They literally do not care about fan perception lolUp until it bites them in the ass. Losing a decades long market share lead and being forced to lurch out of New York (with all the massive manpower attrition the move will cause) is an emergency. Outwardly, they refuse to show weakness. Internally? They're fucking falling apart, and this is the culmination of years of bad decisions, which also included Paul Rabin.
>>154685330that particular quarter is rather an outlier, there was never a real threat of Image overtaking DC. Image was being boosted by Invincible hitting fandom critical mass with its second season, and DC would have already been gearing up for Absolute by Q2 2024. big events tend to take a bit of focus from the existing books just before they happen.DC was already back over 25% of the dollar market share by Q1 2025, and despite the claims of comicsgate doomer retards, the industry has actually been growing over the last few years.
>>154685863If everything was a bed of roses over at Marvel, Cebulski would still have a job and they'd still be operating out of New York. Paul's death was by no means 'inevitable,' they dragged their heels on that faggot for four years straight. Paul's death was an admission of weakness, plain and simple.And they're better off, and we're better off, now that they've finally given up on trying and failing to make Paul work.
>>154683539Damn, Cebulski was based all this time. Who knew?
>>154685974Ultimate Marvel lasted for only two years despite being their most successful imprint and the only real competition Absolute had.Paul Rabin, despite being a poison pill that only ever dragged down sales, hated by seemingly everyone, and even used by DC as a way to mock Marvel, lasted four years. That's the level Marvel was operating at, and more heads need to roll than just Cebulski's. We have an editorial culture that rejects success out of pride and embraces failure out of spite.
>>154685540Deniz Camp is DC exclusive now. He could say anything he wants about Marvel and have job security. He hasn't gone back on what he said.>Either Marvel was lying when they said they always planned it to be a limited run, or else Marvel was lying when they said the creators cancelled it willingly. IThey never said either of these things but they did lie when they said they it felt like it was coming to a natural conclusion. Companies don't openly say "Yeah, we had no good ideas and no good teams wanted to work with us."
>>154663349Working for Marvel at all is a pretty big stinker to me.
>>154686056>Deniz Camp is DC exclusive now. He could say anything he wants about Marvel and have job security. He hasn't gone back on what he said.Bendis was DC exclusive for a while, that didn't go well, and now he's back at Marvel. It's never a good idea to burn your bridges in any industry, but especially one as small, niche, and incestuous as comics.
>>154686072Bendis is just doing a few anniversary projects, he's not really "back." He's doing those because he wants to be a part of that, he doesn't need to do them.
>>154686105Would he be allowed to do those projects if he called Marvel a bunch of faggots and aired out a bunch of dirty laundry the second he left to DC?How much work do you think Rob Liefeld going to be getting over at the Big Two in the future?
>>154686009I mean, people thought that it was only David Gabriel and two well-liked editors that were getting fired. But not long after that, Dan Buckley's replacements were announced, and then after that CB was getting replaced. And that's not even getting into how the move will likely change things; which of the editors there will be willing to make the move to Burbank and which will not?
>>154685974Cebulski still has a job... although tbf it's a "ship you across the ocean and we'll fire you a year later" type job.
>>154686140>which of the editors there will be willing to make the move to Burbank and which will not?Tom Brevoort already said he won't, a few years ago when this kind of move was first proposed.
>>154686131Maybe. Plenty of people have talked trash and received work. Peter David was open about all the editorial interference in his Marvel work in his But I Digress comic for years, never stopped getting projects up until his death.>How much work do you think Rob Liefeld going to be getting over at the Big Two in the future?Liefeld did his "final" Deadpool comic back in 2024-25. The last time he worked for DC back during the New 52, it was a disaster, no incentive for them to work with him.
>>154686157Quesada's still starting up his own independent company for a bunch of his oldfag OMD cult friends in Idaho... likely these kinds of moves were in the making for at least a couple of years. It didn't just suddenly happen overnight.
>>154686174Liefeld's been pissing off a lot of industry people for being ComicsGate adjacent and insisting Marvel's going to be moving everything over to Webtoon eventually. There's a lot of bad blood there, Liefeld is definitely burning his bridges.
>>154686194Well the guy did say that Deadpool book would be his last book for Marvel ever https://bleedingcool.com/comics/rob-liefeld-quits-marvel-entirely-after-finishing-this-deadpool-comic/>I'll have completed 180 pages or more in 2024. I don't anticipate I have more than 5 more years writing/pencilling/inking at that rate. Simply put, it's getting harder. My Extreme Catalogue beckons, is a priority. Maybe some bucket list stuff in between, Hi Thundarr, but doing Marvel work for hire is not an option. The stuff I've been doing, stuff with my creations, involves equity. An F.F. run, a Wolverine story, not wise use of whatever time I have left over the next 5 years.
>>154686131Liefeld essentially burned bridges as a hobby, he's not a useful comparison. dude burned bridges with Image, which he fucking co-founded.and given the rather quiet reactions to complaints about working with Marvel from other creatives (which tends to happen if they're baseless complaints), it's kind of an open secret that Marvel does not treat people well at all, and a lot of that comes from well above the EiC position.it might help explain why Marvel seems to have so much trouble holding on to artists compared to literally any other publisher.
>>154686259I grant you, but getting back to the point: it would not be a good idea for Deniz Camp to make enemies anywhere, even if he happens to be working at DC for a while. This is not a tenured fucking professorship.
>>154686259>and given the rather quiet reactions to complaints about working with Marvel from other creatives (which tends to happen if they're baseless complaints), it's kind of an open secret that Marvel does not treat people well at all, and a lot of that comes from well above the EiC position.so the (Marvel) artists have to shut up and stick around? whyalso, if they're bullied by someone above EiC. who then? execs?
>>154686194>Liefeld's been pissing off a lot of industry people for being ComicsGate adjacentEvery time I look, he's maybe saying something that Comicsgate/Fandom Menace types latch on to... but then some time later he ends up pissing them off in some way (ie supporting Nolan's Odyssey, liking everything from Deniz Camp that isn't Ultimates). I heavily disagree with him on some things but like him more than the parrots on the Comicsgate/Fandom Menace side and the Mainstream Comics clique side
>>154686303>thinks this is about bullyingyou need to be 18 to post here.this is more about underpaying, under-crediting, and overstretching people. it's the way Disney treats creatives in general.
>>154686282When Nick Spencer went Marvel exclusive he was happy to talk about how much he hated the DC editors who screwed with his work.
>>154686399And that was a stupid fucking thing to do considering he's also persona non-grata at Marvel now too.
>moving from New York to CaliforniaThe last company that did this saw a massive drop in quality. Marvel is going to be eviscerated.
>>154686303Disney, anon. It's always Disney. They are vicious.
>>154686431He seems to be doing well enough for himself with that 3W3M thing he's doing with Hickman, Mundo, and Huddleston. Get a name big enough and you don't need to do anything with Marvel or DC. They're not the only options when you've already established yourself at those companies.Deniz Camp doesn't talk like a guy who has a gun to his head off-screen. He comes across as genuinely enthusiastic about the work he did and he also says he was given the freedom to do anything he wanted within the established parameters of "every issue happens in real time and the Maker shows up after two years."
I can smell the forced West Coast Avengers book that won't make it past 12 issues already
>>154663279Wasn’t Wacker one of Slott’s editors and the one responsible for the Slott era?
>>154686608The more decent parts of it at least, depending on your feelings on Superior.Either way, I doubt the plan is to return do yet another BND throwback run when Zeb Wells's BND throwback run helped get them in this fucking mess in the first place.
>>154686608YesHe edited BND and part of the Slott run (he left somewhere in the middle of Superior)
>>154685656>>154685701Ewing still sucks at writing this shit and the only reason they are bothering with dragging up this specific piece of continuity being Paul existing is to get more ragebux. The Venom book is vapid and boring. His characterization of MJ while not egregious like Slott, is still boring. And the whole design and execution of the idea was horrible from the start considering it wasn't She-VenoMJ. Jackpot and this new design are both garbage. And they still haven't even capitalized on MJ and the symbiote in an interesting way as characters or in ways like how old Spider-Man comics did where the mindscape was actually cool looking, dramatic, and led to real character growth.>>154685833>>154685929These anons are correct. That's why they skipped a year of comic con because they got btfo'd so hard. They're fucking scared and desperate.>>154685987Cebulski is the type to put forth safe horny shit but only if it caters to his tastes and then disingenously tell us he's wholesome and with the "message."Like how Lowe and Latour are.
>>154663355They just had a very big, very public fight with Kadokawa over their Deadpool run, and he's being brought in to clean house I guess
>>154686783>Paul existing is to get more ragebux.If that shit actually worked, Marvel would not have pissed away a decades long market-share lead. If the people in charge knew what the fuck they were doing, they would not be moving to California.Digital piracy is trivial. You can see all the shock panels posted on social media. People will steal books they don't like, and buy the ones they want to see more of. Paul didn't make them the slightest bit of money.
>>154686847>if they knew what they were doing they would not be moving to californiaPaul being around longer is due to ragebux. I did not say it worked or was a good idea. Just that it must be what their perspective or idea was. However, I do think Perch is right in that this move to California was inevitable since this shift is just to get all aspects of Marvel under strict Disney corporate control so that Netflix and Jeph Loeb and that type of stuff doesn't happen again. Yes I do agree Paul was a massive albatross around their neck in that it distilled every previosu gripe we've had with Slott, BND, OMD, and Quesada into one singular example for us to absolutely btfo Marvel and destroy their muh sales argument with Hickman's nu-Ultimate.
>>154687003>However, I do think Perch is right in that this move to California was inevitable since this shift is just to get all aspects of Marvel under strict Disney corporate control so that Netflix and Jeph Loeb and that type of stuff doesn't happen again.He's right about that; after Ike got fully forced out a few years ago, Iger outright said they were preparing to fold Marvel fully into Disney.
>>154684968>>154684940spam is against the rules asshiole.
>>154684952Adolf hitler has been dead for many years now piss off
I have just about had of marvel and you which is why I am ending this thread.
>>154686847>Paul existing is to get more ragebuxBye-bye thread you marvel fans really do deserve the worst.
>>154687612>>154687632>Gwenschizo doesn't know I sent a Skrull who will morph into Hitler and show up to his front doorstep (euphemism for the cardboard box he lives in alongside his gay janny lover) to personally goblin gas himNGMI, pedophile.
>>154687676Is this an admission that Putin deserves to invade Poland and buries the Holocaust 2 victims as christians? This an admission that Putin deserves to invade Poland and buries the Holocaust 2 victims as christians in honor of Paul's christian funeral.
>>154688267This thread is over due to spam.
>>154688267>>154687676look buddy if such a thing can get published then there is no reason not to believe That a fanfiction regarding Gwen Stacy may not see the light of day. you may not like that but such a thing is possiable thus you lose game over spider fags.
>>154688039>>154688267Just what the fuck is wrong with you? why are are you doing this WHY
No more thread assholes.
No more games spider-man fans it's OVER you are fucked
Gee it sure smells like bitch in here.It sounds like a melty. And it feels...hold on I'm not fucking touching it. When I can clearly see that this thread isn't over.And that there is a schizo spammer who hasn't been banned yet. The nationality of this spammer? Polish.The sexual proclivities of this spammer? Illegal and corrupt. Their taste in comics? Does not exist as the spammer has yet to display any critical review of a comic that seems legitimate. Anyway...>>154686376Is there a studio or company that hasn't done that?
>>154688721>Is there a studio or company that hasn't done that?there are degrees to how bad it can get, and Disney's pretty bad
>>154663287>including Avengers Assemble, Ultimate Spider-Man, and Guardians of the Galaxy.Yuck.
>>154688721>>154688740>>154688760thread is over
>>154688721>Gee it sure smells like bitch in here.>It sounds like a melty.>And it feels...hold on I'm not fucking touching it.>When I can clearly see that this thread isn't over.>And that there is a schizo spammer who hasn't been banned yet. The nationality of this spammer? Polish.>The sexual proclivities of this spammer? Illegal and corrupt.>Their taste in comics? Does not exist as the spammer has yet to display any critical review of a comic that seems legitimate.>Anyway...I do hope you like ban time for you wlll soon get it for spam asshole
>>154688767there are still 23 posts until bumplimit
>>154688760I liked two of those, the third is on my watchlist
this thread is fucked
>>154688796does not matter spam has killed this thread
>>154688806This you?
>>154686282i think it depends on the nature of the statements he makes; to a certain extent with how insular the industry is, i don't think Marvel or DC can really afford to make it look like speaking your mind while not under their employ will burn bridges with them. it generally doesn't: people who voice complaints or unpleasant stories still get work in the industry.bottom line, you've sort of got to REALLY go out on a limb to actually burn those bridges. a horror story or two about working at a place (e.g. your standard industry dirty laundry) isn't going to cut it.maybe Marvel changes in that regard under Disney and starts holding employment grudges over tweets, but thus far i don't think they have - and they'd be a historical outlier if they did.
>>154688806Nobody believes anyone here watches those shows, Wacker
>>154688818Nope. It's now where the rubber meets the road. Schizos like this are those who try to kill discussion and act as stooges for the very faggots that ruined Marvel. Whether they are connected directly or not at all to Marvel does not matter, they want the same result which is for the books and this medium to be shit. They are deranged losers. This is the part that isn't up for discussion as the evidence is already abundant and pasé at this time.>>154688785This never makes sense to me. Announcing a report like this. Basically taking the mask off and trying to kill discussion on a board that champions free speech and survives off donations (4chan passes) and ad revenue solely to win your side of an argument. Get real. And if others say arguing with a schizo to get real is insane because it is unlikely they will ever change their mind? Yeah well I take breaks and let others btfo this fag into the ground while I enjoy comics.
>>154688477>>154688554>>154688580Anything else to say that you're responsible for the AI threads such as >>154665383 ?
>>154686194Liefeld is mad that nobody gave a nepochance to his son in Hollywood. That is why he is going scorched earth. Also even if you argue he isn't loaded, he is financially secured to skip jobs.
>>154686259>dude burned bridges with Image, which he fucking co-founded.While he didn't get his founder status back, they eventually let him come back and everyone put the past behind them.In general Marvel and DC have historically tended to be willing to bring back talent who burned bridges and talked trash about them if their work still sold and they were seen as a draw, but in the last 10+ years, the industry seems to have shrunk so much that nobody dares talk about the absolute state of what's going on behind the scenes at either of the big 2 anymore because they're afraid of being blacklisted for being 'difficult'. Liefeld is one of the few exceptions who'll talk trash about Marvel and DC because he probably made enough money back in the 90s that he could have just retired years ago. And enough fans seethe about him that they'll just dismiss anything he says anyway.
>>154691181>nobody dares talk about the absolute state of what's going on behind the scenesthen how would anyone know things "behind the scenes" are falling apart
>>154682752>During the 75 years of Batman panel at NYC Comic Con 2017, King is also seen talking about torture techniques in conversation with Frank Miller.>“My line is it helps writing about being shot if you’ve been shot at… like Batman’s famous thing when he’s interrogating someone is to dangle them off a building and then open his hands up and like ‘Ahh!’ and then just start confessing. That doesn’t actually work [laughs].”https://www.dexerto.com/tv-movies/tom-king-controversy-mister-miracle-3214438/
>>154691228When we can see the absolute state of the books they're publishing, We can see something is clearly going wrong, but nobody working there dares to talk about what's happening for fear of being fired and blacklisted. The last time we really got a lot of people in the industry dishing the dirt on the state of things in either of the big 2 was DC early in the New 52.
>>154691228Word gets around behind-the-scenes. While they can't publicly complain they can talk creator-to-creator on some things.But sometimes word gets out. Perch was already gradually hinting (gradually leading to outright saying) that Marvel was also having possible problems (ie late payments) at a time when other Youtubers were focused on their IS DC DYING?! videos. The only thing I was suprised about the recent Greg Capullo tweet was that a big name in the industry was ready to call out Marvel over not paying people on time.
>>154691728>>154691728it really just seems like a Marvel problem at the moment
>>154692029At the moment, sure. But it's really not that long ago that DC were having problems just as bad.
>>154692123issues with delayed pay are an extreme problem, i can't recall anything similar happening at DC, at least in the last decade.
>>154692123Ousting DiDio really did DC some favours as a sudden flood of good ideas held back only by outrageous ego at the top came in.Problem with Marvel is they have an entire Hydra of DiDio's, they are self selecting and have been for decades.It's why it's always the same old gnarled hands when we have an avalanche of new creatives bypassing them on new media.They want the youth market, but do nothing but alienate and keep away the youth from their office, and so they are forever out of touch and losing the market.
>>154691181>the industry seems to have shrunk so much that nobody dares talk about the absolute state of what's going on behind the scenes at either of the big 2 anymore because they're afraid of being blacklisted for being 'difficult'.Hickman was pretty open about why his X-Men ended the way it did. Leah Williams talked about the editors rewriting one of her X-Factor issues without her knowledge and at DC she talked about the editor told her not to bother doing any research into Power Girl and just to write her own idea of how she should be. If they don't talk, it's because they don't want to, but nobody's actually been punished for speaking out.
>>154663279Sasuga Yoshida-san
>>154691325What an asshole.
>>154664259>i didn't read the Doc Ock is isekied into a Japanese school girl bookIt was WAY fucking better than it had any right to be, but I wouldn't take it seriously at all. Basic concept is that Doc Ock, while fighting spiderman has a malfunction in his brain transfering machine and gets part of himself transfered into a bullied teenage japanese girl in a coma. Spiderman thinks he killed doc ock. So girl and ock now share a body, sort of firestorm style. Ock sees her get mistreated and remembers how he got treated and wants to go full supervillan, but she keeps him from going too far.
>>154669659>>154672806Also note that yoshida isn't just some sailor moon class weeb. He lived in japan and can actually use keigo honoriffics corectly.
>>154664259>>154696918i read it, it's cute and a lot of fun, but is also willing to take itself more seriously than you might expect. not too long, too.
>>154692957The "oh people are just PREVENTED from speaking out" thing comes from comicsgate folks in denial over the fact that the people actually in the industry (and not parasitic youtuber hangers-on) don't actually agree with them. It's your bog standard conspiracy fare.
