That was literally the point where the writers began to significantly change her character and they're on-record about this, so no I don' think anyone finds this to be a coincidence.

>>154684796
>checks the writers
>Rebecca Sugar episode
Every time

>>154684796
Bubbline is an extremely forced, inauthentic pairing but it still never would’ve worked out with Finn and Bubblegum. Their whole dynamic was very manipulative from the start of the show.

>>154685274
>Their whole dynamic was very manipulative from the start of the show.

>>154685296
Yeah, that is indeed that I posted.

>>154684796
>>154684886
Weird that their perfect version of PB is a evil overbearing dictator but somehow also a cool girl boss who is literally german coded and who takes no prisoners.

PB kind of proves that if hitler was a girl the same people that call everyone nazi for small infractions would simp for her. PB doesn't just become colder she basically becomes the worst. In past interactions PB felt like zelda who she was based on partially, she was more mature than finn and more of a older sister but this allowed her to be silly and break the usual princess mold sometimes. But suddenly she became rude obsessive and arrogant as the series went on and she actively undermined finn and implies he's not her first hero which genuinely breaks his heart even after he already accepted she'd never like him she coldly cuts off all of their cute moments to being his boss who's a bit silly sometimes. I'd prefer if they kept her a mature older sister with maybe a dark past who's super nice because she wants to not be the old fucked up pb we see in her backstories over the series.

>>154685312
I meant that it wasn’t, stop projecting your fanfics

>>154685335
>little boy, go do endless tasks for the security of my kingdom & I might reward you with a kiss
Are you blind? Even in the first episode, she’s just using Finn to clean up the zombie shitshow she caused. The first episode makes it blatantly clear what their dynamic is: PB plays god causing everything to go wrong, Finn’s heroic sentiments are abused to clean up her mess, and his reward for this is more bullshit to fix. She’s a thousand year old being manipulating a naive child who has little guidance in the world.

>>154685995
Wrong

>>154684903
>>Rebecca Sugar episode
Oh, right, Rebecca Sugar, the woman who supported Finn x Marceline.

>>154686243
She pushed bubbline

>>154686243
wait she's based?

>>154684796
It doesn't matter.

>>154687735
She isn’t

>>154686341
That's Natasha.

>>154685335
>>154686130
you can't handle the truth, stop deflecting your denialism then.

Because young boys should never be happy ever. They must be constantly thwarted and made to hate themselves for the benefit of others.

>>154687844
Both did
>>154688056
No

>>154688056
Yes

>>154684796
>>154684886
There's plenty of people who deny Bubblegum knowing she has a bit of a hold on Finn mentally. Which is weird.
Its also not a coincidence Finn used manipulation with FP when he grew up having it done to him.

>>154688132
He didn’t manipulate shit, FP is just a cunt

>>154685995
At the start of the show I believe it was more innocent, Finn likes being a hero. Its not like she was tricking him to do war crimes. She only did that to Ice King.

>>154688144
>Makes fun of stuff to make her mad/insecure and blames Ice King so they fight
All because of a wet dream btw.

>>154688210
Stop coping

>>154688223
Stop arresting

wow

>>154684796
I wish they showed PB's butt more, or like, at all, make it a gag like Jake's

>>154684796
What was missing was only a few episodes after too young if I remember right. I don't even hate yuri in general but the way it was implemented here came off as spiteful hijacking.

>>154684796
it wasnt a coincidence because it all occurred around the time the show got took over by the new writers. So no a causal relationship but a common cause

>>154685274
He was supposed to find an appropriate love interest.

>>154690858
Shut up

>>154687735
she's only pro finceline and anti finnlegum because with marceline it's more salacious and harmful. where as with bubblegum it's wholesome* and "supposed" to happen.

*I mean in its original naive incarnation. She was one of the princesses he saved. Ergo at some point he'd marry one of them in a fairytale sense

>>154684796
oh my god she is not being "cold" here finn was just being a weirdo
get over yourselves not everyone wants canonically ugly and foul-breath snotty 14 year old boys drooling all over them
it's cool when jake does it tho cuz he is a literal cute dog and was doing it out of being chill and not to try and get close to her like finn was

>>154690868
And they ran this storyline twice. First with flame princess then again with huntress wizard.
Both times they couldn't just let it end nice, they had to chop it down, lest it might make certain classes of people feel good.

>>154690891
They wrote this scene, this way, on purpose, to create this moment.

thrvke is that even if marceline wasnt a thing PB and Finn simply wouldn't work either ways and idk why people are still trying to wrap their minds around it

>>154690933
the scene exist so that finn will be bummed at the realization pb simply isn't into him like that6 so that jake will go find him a new girl and that's how we get introduced to flame princess iirc
and again she is justified cuz finn was acting weird as the scene makes him look super awkward
the scene also serves to set up the ending when fp activates the water fireworks and falls onto finn's arms which is how he gets a crush on her

>>154690938
When everyone was watching it as it was coming out people speculated on things given that the story relied heavily on cliches. The show does very little explaining and just expects the audience to be familiar with these sorts of things, or if you arent, it isn't really necessary to appreciate the show.
So there was an expectation that finn would hook up with a princess, and pb quickly came out as the most prominent princess and finn had a crush on her.
Then it got baited and switched with the age regression episode. Now please get this part, it is OK and even GOOD that they subverted this cliche. It's just also, that this is entertainment media, so when you switch out the bait, you better switch it with something better than the bait. Or people will just wish you had written the cliche instead of trying to innovate.
But the switch got switched, and that switch got switched, and then the show ended. The people invested in the AT romance subplot got left with nothing, and had to endure cheap shots along the way.
If you're a finnxpb fan it means oyu got on the train early. IF you're finnxmarcy you got on a little later, fp, hw, anyone else. are just where YOU began to give a fuck about who finn ended up with.

>>154690979
Yeah that's my point. There's an infinite number of ways to show finn is sad because 18yr old pb doesnt like him like her younger version did.
They chose to have him, in a way, assault her. in a particularly weird way, and then have her respond critically.
They could have written finn doing something different instead of this weird "act like a dog" thing he does. it makes what pb actually did, relatively restrained. But they wanted finn to be seen a certain way, and pb's decision to be seen a certain way.

>>154684796
I think the point the writers were trying to make was that finn was growing up and this kind of thing was no longer ok because he was no longer a child
I also think the writers were too stupid to make this point right

>>154690891
She kissed him on the mouth when he was 12 btw.

she was also collecting taxes from him despite not being a citizen in the candy kingdom or even being near it's borders

>>154691565
They are in the Candy Kingdom, they just aren't in the city.

>>154685274
Yes, /ss/ was never going to happen. But Adventure King happens in several timelines, she just doesn't take him seriously as a man since he's still a kid. That changed over time in non-Bubbline scenarios.
(NB, the real woke option here would be FFM poly, since both are canonically interested in Finn)

The better pairing is Too Young Peebles not getting aged up again, she's manipulative as an adult because she's had centuries of ruling over retarded candy people, forgetting most of that and getting a cool adventure teenager-hood instead would result in a different PB.

>>154691606
this.
other examples are tree trunks house and gumbald's cabin both are outaside the kingdom but are still part of the overall land PB owns it's never stated but I think Marceline's cave also counts as being part of it

>>154691707
also finn just growing up.

>>154691463
the loveless 2 second shallow lips-only kiss that she was forced by law to give him as part of being the prize of the wizard's competition?

>>154691707
>she's manipulative as an adult because she's had centuries of ruling over retarded candy people
don't forget the few times she trusted people they either tried to lobotomise or wrote a live disstrack on her
so she grew up trying to be ahead ig

>>154691707
Piece of crap

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>>154691707
speaking of FFM, does anyone have the old ADVENTURE KING comic this was cropped from?

>>154684886
Not necessarily. Some YouTube company got in hot waters with cartoon network when they first made a video of the lesbian vibes of that episode

>>154691921
Kill yourself Finncel. Bubbline mindraped you for a decade. Watch their show when it comes out like the good little pup you are

>>154692044
Keep seething

>>154692044
Lol I dropped AT after season 5.

>>154692049
Keep going to bed..

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>>154690891
She was written as the bipolar weirdo. In too young she leans on him instead and ends the episode with pic related when only a hug was needed. Then she makes an issue out of hugging based on what happened in too young when again she was hugging him fine before despite him having an obvious crush the entire time. She got closer to him first then cut him off in a unnecessarily cruel way "to take responsibility for her kingdom again", but the fact she gets set up with marceline shortly after they bomb this relationship implies the real reason for the forced break up was to make room for the yuri slop.

>>154692049
>no u
KWAB. Classic Finncel response

>>154691072
It's only assault if you count her leaning on him while larping as a child assault. Finn just wanted to be close to her again, that would at least make sense based on what happened. Too bad the rest of the drama doesn't actually make much sense.

>>154684796
Imagine both of your crushes cucking you simultaneously for eachother. Man, the writers hated finn.

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>>154691957
I remember that. The idea that the most popular characters after Finn and Jake were gay was unacceptable for Cartoon Network. Which makes me wonder, how the hell was Rebecca Sugar able to punch her lesbian shit? She was the one that made lesbians mainstream in western cartoons. How did she do it?

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Reminder they have the bubbline breakup involve marceline crashing out willing to get people killed because pb won't give her attention 24/7. Way more immature and shitty than the literal child mc, yet somehow they still get back together. And you have all these retard fans saying finn and pb could never work because finn was too immature or badly behaved. If it's your pet lesbian waifu it's fine. The ones in charge of adventure time had an insanely popular show with lots of potential and fucked it up for cheap drama and catering to the worst types people.

>>154692067
No

People who think Kazuya or Mordecai are the most pathetic cartoon mcs obviously haven't watched adventure time. Finn is a walking humiliation ritual

>>154692192
Thanks for supporting bubbline all these years!

>>154692107
Shut yer hole

>>154692209
I didn’t

>>154692237
But you did. You're doing it right now

>>154692193
Finncel's microclitty was no match for Marceline's bbc

>>154692246
No

>>154692266
Stfu, projecting troon

>>154692269
>samefagging
4chan's resident malding Finncel, ladies and gentlemen.

>>154692193
People think that because Mordecai romantic failures were the main focus of several episodes. It was a meme and even CN promoted it. What happened to Finn was subtle. Most people don't remember how Finn went from the main hero to being powerless if Marceline, PB or other girls weren't close.

>>154692116
There was a shift for corpos to try a lot harder to virtue signal. I think it could be related to the ESG thing, where they were basically given welfare to make specific try hard trash. I think it's also obvious people in positions of power can be malicious towards the general population and especially children so they could have also started doing it just for spite and to cause stress and fights. To lower morale and weaken people further since entertainment can be important for managing stress or influencing people. This obviously would be only one of the things they manipulated to get those outcomes since they would have the precious money and ultimate say so.

>>154692091
it's assault as far as the consent people are concerned. The people who made the show.

>>154692311
I don't think it was very subtle at all since what was missing was only a few episodes after too young. I think flame princess being the shitty rebound was a good distraction for people, burning low was one of the most viewed episodes ever. Besides that I remember tons of amvs with flame princess and finn. I just think it's funny how pointless they make flame princess besides the break up being even more forced and retarded than her whole concept or finns breakup with pb. He busts a nut dreaming of her beating the dog shit out of ice king so manipulates her into acting it out irl, it's so stupid. Then after that he's still portrayed as this pathetic boy who's trying in vain to get back with pb and all the way up to season 6 or so he's still getting with girls based on his lingering feelings for her. It makes sense to still have feelings for your ex but the whole issue is they fucked up the breakup and somehow don't show her having lingering feelings for him too unless you want to try and count burning low or pajama wars, despite it being revealed he was infinitely better behaved than marceline was before pb broke up with her ass. It's crazy how shit they made this show for no good reason.

>>154692447
So it doesn’t count ever, got it

>>154684796
female writers are selfish arrogant turds that are addicted to smelling their own farts

>>154692193
lel good

>>154692044
big kek

>>154692543
>>154692553
Don’t talk while belching

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>>154691921
Welp couldn't find it, luckily we live in an age of miracles.

>>154692280
Gtfo, deflecting toon.

>>154690891
You're like the only person here who isn't too autistic to understand that. Get out while you still can!

>>154692614
You get out of here

>>154692455
The funny thing about Burning Low was that it caused a wave of PB hate for awhile. Even girls on facebook thought she was a manipulative bitch. The idea that PB hated Flame Princess because she stole Finn lasted a few years.

>>154692193
not close to eric.

>>154690938
It must be some kind of arrested development thing.

>>154692635
Literally who?
>>154692639
But enough the writers

>>154692192
>>154688067
>>154692269
Yes...

>>154692631
>The idea that PB hated Flame Princess because she stole Finn lasted a few years
It comes off as that in the episode because of their history and then her explanation for finn. If you watch it again she's repeating what she says before kissing him in too young and sounds possessive while saying it. This is after she won't even let him hug her or lean on her like a dog. It's just contradictory bullshit. They should have shown her stressing more over not being able to be with him because of her job. People like slow burn and seeing her trying to hide her feelings while fighting off other girls until something could be worked out could have been interesting. But instead the focus goes to the yuri slop. Finn gets a rebound that doesn't work on any level and pb gets to scissor some bat girl who turns out to have been even worse than ash was.

>>154692455
>He busts a nut dreaming of her beating the dog shit out of ice king so manipulates her into acting it out irl, it's so stupid
And don't forget how this happened because the writers decided to summon the cosmic owl of shit writing by gaslighting Finn and Jake's dogshit advise which very conveniently is never brought up into question. The episode is just a trash concept and I honestly why they keep insisting on making couples when time and time again they've proven to they're too incompetent to do it. Case in point Fionna and cake

>>154692687
>>154686243
>>154687844
>>154686243
>Sugar says she's the one pushing Bubbline in her Reddit AMA when LGBTQueefism was an easy way to grift money
>Now that people have soured on PB/Bubbline because she's a backstabbing bitch, every Sugarshill tries to be a revisionist whiteknight saying she was Finnceline all along.
I get that Sugar's a raging Fujo/Yuricuck but does she have to be a two-faced fuckhead too?
>>154687735
She wasn't, you're responding to lying Jannybot Sugarshills.
>Inb4 muh Sauce
>Rebecca shills Bubbeline in her Reddit AMA
https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/2e4gmx/i_am_rebecca_sugar_creator_of_steven_universe_and/cjw4oi2/
>Muto admits that the "heavy lifting" for Bubbline and what followed was her idea.
https://www.themarysue.com/adventure-time-queer-couple-canon/
>Muto says Bubbline was Sugar's idea, and she wasn't taking no for an answer
https://dotandline.net/adam-muto-adventure-time-interview/

>>154686243
She pushed bubbline you dumb retard
>but Marceline/Flame Princess
Those pics have the same validation as the Greg x Pearl pics that very conveniently surface a few years ago, this is just bullshit that Sugar does in case people shits on her dykeslop to have any kind of deniability to gaslight fanboys like you

>>154693587
Nta but her Finn/Marceline doodles are older than bubbline. It's a fact that she ended up pushing bubbline tho.

Stay mad.

>>154693873
Ok, yurifag

>>154684796
>pathetic Finncel thread
Checked

>>154693910
Ok, incestfag

>>154695563
>pathetic greentext poster
Checked

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I can't do it man. I can't take this shit happening again. What's wrong with millennial artists?

>>154695776
Damn you've got no gaydar. Those games reek of fags and rainbow shit.

>>154695776
>millennial
Is it always the millennial? Are their personality like this? What about other anons who are millennial as well? Are they racist like other zoomers you know and hate? Or is it just a pajeet thing?

>>154695776
A second lesbian couple has hit the anons.

>>154691765
Holy larp, he was disqualified, wizards only fool and she still did it anyways.

Drinking those tears.

Drink my saliva.

drink pb's soda flavored piss

>>154695751
I’m not

You'll seethe about Bubbline for the rest of your days, Finncel. Take your life today so the pain can end.

>>154691957
Cartoon Network's executives aren't Adventure Time's writing team and that doesn't contradict anything that post said in the first place. Weird reply desu.

>>154697040
You are seething

>>154697040
>>154695563
Does Rebecca Sugar really hate Finn so much that they need to repeatedly call anyone who likes him an incel? I get she's a hateful lesbo with IanJQ as her gelded blackbeard simp but you'd think she'd of moved on by now.

>>154684796

Who gives a shit? Bubbline is way better in every way. They truly love each other while Finn is a thirsty loser. Only on this board to people complain about the shows direction after they got together

>>154697501
Fuck off, yurifag

>>154697529
buck off, incestfag

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Finn x Bubblegum if the writers weren't homosexuality worshippers

>>154699122
Difference is she actually liked finn. Makima is a lost cause that only cared about pochita giving her power. To have their relationship portrayed like that would be way worse than yuri.

>>154699071
I don’t like that stuff and I’m not your bogeyman

>>154695776
Tbf you should've saw this coming considering it was made by Toby the cuck Fox and how this character is heavily based on Oersted, aka the guy that got cucked so hard that he became an misanthropic monster across time
>>154695803
>Is it always the millennial?
Mllennials are essentially the most emasculated and anti-male generation ever, they're the ones that bought into cancel culture garbage like #metoo, got the most feminism propaganda down their throats, are the with most white knight beta simps and toxic man hating women, and you can only rescue a few men from it
zoomers women are nearly as bad but it seems that both Zoomers and Alpha men saw what happened to their millennial counterparts and are doing finally a push to media that outright insults them, unfortunately they're not old enough to be in position of power yet.
If it any consolation most of the shitty millennial women that called you misogynistic bigot on tumblr a decade ago are set to become the biggest generation of unwanted spinsters ever, they're in their 30-40s

>>154684796
>>154684886
Feminists Wrote this posts.

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Whores of Babylon, Ice Kings are better.

>Finncel
That's FinnGOD to you

I just don't understand this obsession with PB.
Just let it go guys, even relatively early in the show, they made it clear he and PB weren't meant to be, and that's okay.

>>154699339
A makima type relationship would have been far more interesting than the garbage we got.

>>154701208
>I just don't understand this obsession with PB
It was the mc's first romance and they not only blatantly ruined it to replace it with a measurably worse lesbian relationship but dragged out the drama from ruining it all the way up to season 6 at least. And they still refuse to let the series die while dragging up old shit to try and regain their old relevance. And the original series most watched episode involved a love triangle between pb and fp. It's not hard to understand.

Imagine making a whole new show about a lesbian couple so obnoxious one of them wanted to get people killed because they weren't given attention for a few seconds. An Adam Muto production.

>>154697501
Ignore them they're retarded.

>>154701974
But enough about yurifags

>>154701702
>It was the mc's first romance
Yeah so? First romances don't always work out, the show made it very clear, specially after Finn moved on and got with other people.
>a measurably worse lesbian relationship but dragged out
I mean, I don't love it either but I also don't think it's as offensive as some of you guys make it out to be, some of you act like it's a direct insult on you or something.
>dragged out the drama from ruining it all the way up to season 6 at least
To be fair, by that point, Finn x PB was already dead and the problem was more about the fallout of Finn x FP.
I'm not gonna act like it was a satisfying way to end that arc, but it's really removed from PB at that point.
>they still refuse to let the series die while dragging up old shit to try and regain their old relevance
Well, that's a general industry problem, also why shows like Gumball, Regular Show and Phineas and Ferb are back. Again, nothing to do with PB herself.
>the original series most watched episode involved a love triangle between pb and fp
Yes, because of the drama, but even that episode had PB not be an actual love interest for Finn anymore.
A big part of the series was Finn having to get over his crush on her, maybe I'm just weird but at some point I really accepted that PB didn't have any possibility of being a love interest to Finn in any way.
It also just seems so dumb and trivial to get upset over it, specially now, more than 10 years later, Finn and PB both moved on, there were no problems between them, I'd argue what happened with FP was more worse than anything they did with PB.

>>154702208
>Yeah so?
So it's going to stand out based on that alone especially when that was the shows peak popularity. The show made it clear they couldn't do relationships well in general despite insisting on making it a huge focus and that wasn't even corrected after the main series was over. The addition to bubbline showing their break up is garbage enough you would expect a hater to make it so they look worse. After the dumb fp breakup finn tries to reconnect with pb again and then in breezy season 6 he's still getting with women who remind him of her.
>Yes, because of the drama, but even that episode had PB not be an actual love interest for Finn anymore
It had her repeating what she says before unnecessarily kissing him in too young. That she wanted to be with him but couldn't because responsibility demands sacrifice. That's the whole reason he gets mad there and everyone saw her as jealous at the time despite fp actually being dangerous like she described. It's dumb as shit to pretend finn and pb were impossible to work out or you should just get over it when you're reviving a shitty even older lesbian relationship where one of them behaved way worse than finn or even ash did. The show runners and dumb fans want to keep lying about what happened and put arbitrary limits on what's possible while pretending they're just being rational. You don't have to like people caring more about important parts of the show than you for it to be important or for it to make sense they still talk about it. The fact you refuse to be honest only adds to the problem you're complaining about. You're complaining shit is still being talked about years later but they're still milking the show years later using the old good parts and you're still not understanding or honestly talking about what happened years later. Have some self awareness and go complain to muto or whoever else is still pushing the series if you really want it to stop being talked about.

>>154702208
>>154702419
Fp's entire character is literally based on finn and pb's tanked relationship. She's a shitty rebound specifically made in response to fucking things up with finn and pb. Yet weirdly enough despite them referencing that again in the newest fionna and cake season, what he had with pb isn't also brought up. It can't be just because the relationship with pb is dead or trash because that applied the most to fp but they still couldn't keep their pile of shit buried. Pointing to them reviving the ancient lesbian shit after how they broke up would be enough to show the hypocrisy of the sentiment "just get over it/move on" by itself but that they also really did that with flame princess in current year only makes it more obvious.

>>154702561
>She's a shitty rebound
I mean, she's a rebound, but they at least at first they kinda went out of their way to make us believe she and Finn could actually make it work out.

>>154702664
The fact she was the world's most obvious rebound and was rushed in like she was already made it obvious it wasn't going to work. They just went above and beyond to trash that in the most nonsensical way too. Finn didn't get any time to actually recover from what happened with pb before getting with someone else like you're supposed to do because the show runners were so desperate to push their lesbian retcon dog shit they couldn't allow closure that made sense. In too young they literally say "that was years ago get over it" to the child they just fucked with despite everything just happening a few moments before, only to unironically expect respect for a much older much worse lesbian relationship being brought back. They have pb have lingering feelings for marceline despite her being an evil annoying cunt but have her be completely sociopath type cold to finn who treated her extremely well before the forced break up.

Years later the show and it's fans still can't be honest about what happened. It's a group of creatures who can't move on, can't be fucked to have good taste and can't be honest about the situation but want to tell others "move on bro". They're fucking clowns. They deserve to be perpetually pointed out and bothered as long as they keep this behavior up. Being an annoying hypocrite and hijacking an insanely popular show to replace it with garbage has these types of consequences.

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>>154701208
>>154702208
The obsession with PB/Finn is because of two important things: people waiting for four season just to get a suddenly fuck you with Burning Low and Marceline and PB getting more and more attention than Finn. It was an actual humiliation ritual for most of the fandom. Most people these days don't even know the controversy that Stakes caused. Finn was an incompetent useless retard while PB was a hardcore badass. Marceline and PB didn't even take him seriously. People pretending Finn fans are "incels" for not letting it go don't understand this because they watched all the episodes at once on Netflix or HBO max.
To make things worse the writers keep humiliating Finn. In Distant Lands he just wanted to die to meet Jake again. In Fionna and Cake it was confirmed Finn thinks no one loves him like Jake and he feel alone. It's clear PB and Marceline don't think on Finn unless they need him. And then you have Huntress Wizard. Her fans consider her the best but the show itself showed us she keeped Finn down for like ten years to the point of Finn blamed himself for being incapable to find a woman or a closed friend that loved him. It's insane. The writers don't even give him his mom for real. They refuse to give her a real body in a world of super science, magic and reality warping fanfic writers. At this point the only options are killing the show for real (it won't happen) or rebooting the whole thing with artists and writers completely unrelated to Adventure Time

>>154691606
>>154691750
no they are in the GRASSLANDS which is not part of the Candy Kingdom

>>154702931
What happened with adventure time is no exaggeration like if a group of dumb fags like adam muto came in during the making of the twilight movies to make edward and jacob gay for each other while giving belle an angry boyfriend who beats her because he has brain damage. Then she just cries about it for multiple more movies while being portrayed as pathetically trying to reconnect with edward like they did in the earlier movies before all the sudden cock sucking started. And the whole time they swear to satan it's deep complex writing and the reason they're losing tons of viewers is because fans just didn't have a rick and morty iq.

>>154702931
>In Fionna and Cake it was confirmed Finn thinks no one loves him like Jake and he feel alone
The pain from huntress rejecting him was also portrayed as similarly painful to his father betraying and mutilating him. The show itself chose to make it that way.

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>>154703048
That is what I call analogy

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>>154690858
He did, that's why Huntress Wizard exists.

marceline should had just raped finn.

>>154690915
>they couldn't just let it end nice
Finn and HW ended up very nicely tho.

>>154692193
Finn starts the show at 12 and ends at 17, during that time he grows a lot, but regardless of the failed romance subplots, he has enough qualities outside of those to make him quite likeable. Mordecai is college-aged, has no sense of personal responsibility, and is a complete asshole clown to everyone he knows COMBINED with being a shitty boyfriend. I have more sympathy for the orphaned hero with dead adoptive parents who risks life and limb constantly to fix everyone else's problems above his own personal gain than I do for the stoner loser who, despite being a literal adult, has the mental maturity of a 13 year old and can't even set up chairs at a park.

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>>154702561
Holy shit I just realized how dumb fionna and cake was for this. They have all these princesses molesting finns mouth but it's rationalized as cpr or for the greater good right. Flame princess tries kissing him while bringing up their history saying how she really heckin loved him despite having been a literal dumpster fire and admitting to having a partner now. Pb says she's willing to try anything at that point despite how inappropriate everything is because finns life is on the line... except trying to kiss him again herself or even being shown considering it? They are fucking terrified of addressing this ship even when they're willing to drag up another worse ship that's completely based on it and outright explain why it would only make sense to address. Can't go ruining the sacred yuri slop virtue signaling now. Finn and pb might as well be voldemort to them.

I'm definitely not autistic enough.

>>154703523
I really don't think it's that deep bro, FP was an actual love interest that reciprocated Finn's feelings, PB was unattainable except for a very short period of time, I don't think they're comparable.

>>154703606
She was a cunt

>>154703606
Pb reciprocated before lemon grab sperging forced them to break up. Fp only exists as she did based on finns forced breakup with pb. Look at this >>154692062 scene and the episode in general. It's pure retcon cope to say she had no interest in finn and it was completely one sided. And fp's "love" was based in the distant past anyway. And immediately after breaking up with fp he's still clearly interested in pb. Not only had him and fp been broken up for years but he's been seeing huntress all this time. None of these princesses that kissed him were comparable. They had little to no relevance in finns life or chance at meaningful romance. But everyone except pb was still allowed to kiss him based on the tiniest chance of saving his life. They just want to pretend it only makes sense for the shitty lesbian relationship to involve pb having lingering feelings for an ex even though marceline was infinitely worse to her than finn. This series isn't that deep but it wants to act like it is.

>>154703589
Me too, but he's based and correct, weird grmmar notwithsanding

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>>154703186
Finn is the noblest character Cartoon Network has ever produced (Yes, he is better than Jack) and this makes things even worse. Mordecai was a dumb jerk but he got his happy ending relatively faster than Finn and he didn't really suffer too much from his failures. Finn tried his best his entire life and lost almost every single time. His arm, his father, PB, FP, Fern, Jake, etc. What did he get after 20 years of sacrifices? A woman that caused him more pain than PB and his own asshole father. And she didn't even apologize. Also, it's canon that in future no one will remember him. Not even BMO. Why did they do this to Finn? Why not giving him a win or a good future? What the hell

>>154703523
>Pb says she's willing to try anything at that point despite how inappropriate everything is because finns life is on the line... except trying to kiss him again herself
Even Marceline said kissing Finn could actually work but she didn't do it even when it would fit her pre lesbian characterization. For the writers the holy lesbian couple is more important than Finn.

>>154703891
>(Yes, he is better than Jack)
Lol, no. Jack is the better character and warrior

>>154704012
Sorry but season 5 ruined Jack

>>154704012
Jack is the ultimate warrior but he failed his mission and then gave up. He got a free win at the end thanks to "you have aku's powers" girl. That said, he was victim of shitty writing just like Finn.

>>154704024
No

>>154684796
Why was she cold for this?

>>154705291
She's casually cutting him off from intimacy that she herself escalated and dismissing his suffering because in her words a few years had already passed from her perspective so everything should be settled already. Even though clearly this wasn't the case for finn and he's still the same age while not magically becoming some immortal. It makes even less sense when they reveal she's roughly a thousand years old since then a few years wouldn't even feel like long at all. Even though she had rug pulled finn just recently the writers have her dismiss his suffering as silly and nonsensical based on time that never actually passed. In the OP scene when he tries to lean on her in a similar way to how she had leaned on him recently she calls him weird and pushes him away. It makes her look both retarded and like a psychopath to ignore the pain she's obviously causing someone to such a degree. It's one thing not being interested but refusing to show basic respect or pay attention to what's actually happening is another. It's super ooc especially because they try to make her seem as if she's not a bad person or dumb. All this for forced drama and setting up a new relationship that goes absolutely nowhere good.

>>154704093
Yes..

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>>154705608
This is why the comparison to makima doesn't work. Makima was smart and just didn't care about people. Pb is selectively dumb as can be when it comes to her falling out with finn even though they desperately want to portray her as the super logical one who values life and is just distracted. They have her worried over random glass people dying but the guy who's also needed for saving countless people's lives (including her little retard citizens) still somehow isn't worth the bare minimum attention or consideration while she's not even busy doing anything. Pretend she's honestly a hell spawn with zero ability to truly care about feelings, functionally and logically what she did with finn was still wrong because of all the work he's putting in. Pushing one of your most useful tools to an early death is still pointlessly wasteful. It doesn't make sense any way you try to portray it.

This is also all immediately after they just successfully used the love they had for each other to more effectively fight back the lich, which to this day is one of the biggest threats in their universe. You can cope and say "well it wasn't romantic love on pb's end yet" because there was no established relationship yet but at the very least she showed actual concern or care for his wellbeing which was suddenly completely lacking when it became Lesbian Time. I can see why they felt threatened by and wanted to ruin this. What I just mentioned happening in mortal folly is so much more romantic and beautiful than lesbians fighting and gaslighting because they're old bitter careless annoying cunts. It's almost like the series got taken over by the lich himself and that's why they just kept pushing out miserable trash. The lich wearing the old series as a skin suit instead of wearing billy.

>>154693873
I always Stay Mad at you, my awful enemy.

>>154690891
Nah Finn is canonically the most eligable bachelor in OOO

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>>154706348
>they just successfully used the love they had for each other to more effectively fight back the lich
This is something I don't understand. Okay, Finn and PB can't be together because he is a kid and she is an immortal adult and she is lesbian. I get it. What I don't get is why they killed their relationship. The show told us and keep telling us they are friends but it doesn't shows us their friendship at all. Why didn't they development their relationship as big sister and young brother or anything else? You can keep two characters close to each other without romance but they refuse to do it. I remember one scene in the last season where Finn and PB looked at each other and PB said something like "you have grown" or something before leaving him alone. I don't even remember Finn's answer. The scene was so weird because they feel totally disconnected. They hang out every week in some adventure or experiment and fight together against monsters, demons, wizards, aliens and gods yet when they are alone they act like people who were classmates or maybe friends in a distant past but lost contact long time ago. It's the same Marceline. Their relationship basically stopped after Bubbline.

>>154708208
This is extremely evident when you compare his relationship with other characters. Ice King cared about Finn in his own way and wanted his attention. Simon showed genuine appreciation for Finn in Fionna and Cake. They can't be closed friends because their are completely different but you can feel their differences and their attempts to understand and help each other. You can see how Minerva loves him and Finn is happy to help his mother but you can feel the bitterness in their relationship because she is a ghost in a the machine and will never be able make actual human contact with him. Even LSP feels closer to Finn than PB and Marceline. You can see she enjoy hanging around with him. There is nothing like these examples between Finn and PB or Finn and Marceline. They don't even feel truly comfortable around him. It seems the writers think romance and sex are the only possible ways a non-retarded man and a woman can love each other. Or maybe they just hate love because PB and Marceline looks more like horny teenagers playing around instead of 2 immortals in love.

>>154708213
That’s because Marceline and Bubblegum are hot it makes the artists nervous

>>154703523
>Holy shit I just realized how dumb fionna and cake was for this.
The whole scene was completely unnecessary, it seems that they just wanted to prove that none of the princesses was Finn "trv luv" and shill you the HW ship, just for the own shiw to proceed to imply that the same HW kept Finn like a beta simp in a toxic situationship for more than decade to the point one of his worst memories and few actual interaction with both is her shutting Finn down, even Finn's own robomom called this out and wanted for him to be paired with of her own clones rather than her, what a load of bullshit

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>>154708589
*add TO this conversation

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>>154708589
you got it right the first time

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>>154708511
>Tfw the best post Bubbline ships for Finn are Finn/his mom and Finn/Bronwyn
You know a writer fucked things up when incest is the best option. Unironically.

>>154708783
No I wasn't...

>>154708208
Because they messed up by keeping the original adventure time while going forward with the new forced gay drama instead of doing a more honest reboot with a fresh start. It doesn't match at all. You can't drop what happened in the earlier seasons and act like it doesn't exist when you made it part of why finn was so miserable for multiple more seasons and why the character of fp exists at all. You can't honestly say it's ever a sibling relationship because they have history that's not appropriate at all for siblings unless maybe it's anime. It would be like those women who have a boyfriend but keep their ex around and say he's like a brother to me. But you also can't have her having lingering feelings for marceline while having her act completely detached with finn despite their relationship ending on much better terms without it looking stupid. But again they can't reference or be honest about that because it gets in the way of the new worse interpretation of the show they forced in. They literally wrote themselves into a corner.

What an insane way to see things. But that's expected of a schizo. Very entertaining to read.

>>154709369
What's insane is using a relationship that you wanted to memory hole to make a character like fp that you still keep bringing up, only to complain people still talk about it.

>>154708987
guess I can't read

>>154684796
If you think about it, Flame Princess only exists as a plot device to keep Finn in a pretetual state of being single. PB is an autistic science nerd who can stand on her own even before the forced bubbline ship, but I can't really name a single interest or character trait that FP has: she dates Finn, she breaks up with him, overthrows her dad & is forgotten about. She's such a nothing character.

>>154708871
Didn't one of them shut this down by making Bronwyn have an ugly kid? Kek imagine being so spiteful

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>>154709862
You are right, but unfortunately /co/ is retarded autistic coomer central.

>>154709973
Wait what? When did that happen?

>>154709862
Flame princess had the whole thing about being a princess raised in an evil kingdom and also being an bubble girl that never saw the outside world, both of which are god contrast to Finn, the problem is that you can tell that the writers instantly regretted introducing a new confirmed couple so early into the show and proceeded to infamously write her out and removing all these traits just to be the Great Value(tm) version of PB.

Futhermore, even assuming that they wanted to use her as cheap plot device, it makes you wonder why then waste budget giving her multiple episodes post-breakup when the writers themselves don't seem to give a shit about her, all this did is make Finn as an even bigger bitch and waste everryones's time because I can bet with you that the viewers would have preferred an episode about Fern or the human island over her shitty rap carrer nobody cares about in the final season

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Reminder that Finn’s near-death experience broke PB harder than Marceline almost dying in Stakes.

>>154710159
Yeah but giving him a kiss that could be his last chance was too much even when she did when he was 12 years old. I think her reaction was more like when you lost your beloved pet.

>>154710190
She went as far as to quit her job because of him, I think it’s a little more than that.

Jake, BMO, Shermy, and Boyish Boy get all the bitches. Finn gets nothing.

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>>154710246
Wrong, he gets slimed

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>>154702931
I think the worst thing that the PB & Marceline pairing did was assassinate & tone down Marceline's character just to make their relationship have less conflict. Marceline in the earlier seasons is an anti-hero troll who likes messing with people because it's fun, and later they just turn her into a secondary hero instead of being consistent with this. A Marceline focused episode shouldn't be about her saving the day, and one of the biggest problems with Stakes is that Marceline isn't allowed to be Marceline.

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>>154710256
I wonder how Finn looks like in different Princess AUs. If he got with Marceline, would he end up as an e-boy twink vampire or something?

>>154710673
Finn x Marceline inevitably becomes a corruption scenario because Hudson is genuinely impressed with Finn's boldness.

>>154710260
Jesus

>>154710260
This just your average loser millennial women

>>154684886
This. Same reason why Finn and Marceline suddenly weren't friends anymore

Reboot AT

>>154713686
Reboot it and do what

>>154713965
A show about a human boy and his friends having a good time having adventures. Some kind of Adventure Time.

>>154714014
Dude that's a good idea. They should make a cartoon about that

>>154708589
i like it

Cry harder you saggy assed faggot.

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>>154710159
She almost killed him, so it's a bit different.

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>>154714014
>Some kind of Adventure Time

>>154713686
They already did

>>154714065
What kind of love interest would give you to the human boy? Would he need a pet? A dog? What if the boy was raised by dog people and his dog brother has powers?

>>154716132
Is Fiona & Cake worth watching purely to see where all the characters from the original show are? Does the self-insert AU Fiona junk take too much away from that or is it reasonably separated?

>>154717215
Yes. Especially if you care about Simon

>>154717215
Yes but doesn't watch the second season. The first season was mostly self contained outside of Simon and Primo. The second season is yet another humiliation ritual for Finn

>>154717581
2nd season is less focused, but still worth watching imo

>>154717721
Nta

Over a decade later.

>>154719214
Based

>>154719214
cute

>>154719214
Isn't it lovely?

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>>154719214
Fetish ship where the bat girl is retconned as so annoying she would get people killed for not being given attention for a few seconds. Then when she's called out by pb for it she breaks out in overly dramatic song. Even finns massively ooc breakup with fp wasn't that bad.

>>154720668
i don't think so

>>154720694
Then watch the scene and know so

https://youtu.be/0m-kzn-RbL0?si=OfWN5-rkpEGa2dqY

>>154720668
she's got attachment issues

>>154720739
When finn was a literal child doing less and getting gaslighted the same marceline fans called him weird and said he should just get over it. She was worse behaved with less excuse.

>>154720726
>I can't work with you here acting like ghetto trash
jesus christ peebs

>>154720772
she did have a pretty fucked up chiildhood to be fair

>>154720783
And she had 1000 years to get over it. I guess you can say Rebeca Sugar Marceline is a pathetic millennial woman. Every Sugar character is like this >>154710260

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>>154717264
Aight I'll give both seasons a go then

>>154720783
So did Finn

>>154721003
he had a stable, loving family + home

>>154720783
And she had simon, then good friends and a found family.
Everyone has wounds on their heart. You aren't alive if you don't. Being defined by those past pains rather then using them to grow into someoone better or learn from them means you lack wisdom and maturity.
She's just, an overgrown child. An old teenage girl.

>>154721011
>Ignoring the constant near-death experiences and loss of family members

>>154721011
His family died when he was like 10 or so & he had to bury them with his brothers. Jake basically had to be Finn's dad from that point on.

>>154721026
well yeah, that's the point. Did you actually watch obsidian?

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>>154721047
Finn's childhood was fucked up in its own way, my point is that he always had family there for him. Marcy didn't.

>>154721075
That's fair

Honestly Marceline’s fuckups in romance shouldn’t be considered more excusable than Finn’s, and the same applies to PB. Regardless of the trauma they suffered, they’re still adults while Finn wasn’t.

>>154721113
Marcy's wasn't really a "romance" fuckup. She had deep-seated issues that fucked up her relationships

>>154721125
And so did Finn. Neither is more excusable than the other.

>>154721129
Not really. Finn fucked up with FP because he was young, dumb teenager. They both made mistakes but the reasons and nature of those mistakes were very different. It doesn't really make sense to compare them. They were both stupid

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>A bond of political sympathy between PB and Minerva
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How exactly are these two so similar to each other?

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>>154721210
Minerva would’ve loved having PB as a daughter in law

>>154721221
I reckon they'd clash

>>154721200
She's the sociopathic mother goddess of a race of candy people that she constantly experiments on and keep utterly retarded and weak on purpose.
And even killed the only competent one to prevent him from becoming a threat to her evil despotic rule.

>>154721186
>>154721210
Honestly humans have enough super science and plot armor to take over Ooo in less than a week. Humans like Minerva had a total lack of vision.

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>>154708589
Remember when Angry Birds used to be a thing?
I kinda like the movie, the movie was pretty alright though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPpoN0EhnlQ

>>154721160
Finn's whole relationship dynamic with FP was very unhealthy; he was basically jumping from one girl to the next to not feel lonely while ignoring how trying to be intimidate with a literal fire elemental straight from the fire kingdom where everyone is more evil than good is a terrible idea. His first interactions with her is her burning him by accident & he doesn't care because he's just being a simp.

>>154684903
So she tanked her own cartoon for fetish fulfillment instead of trying to make a genuine moment?
That’s what I feel if she did this to a cartoon that wasn’t hers.

>>154721320
Humanity concluded that the world is too unsafe & full of monsters to expand in that way & only became so technologically advanced by isolating themselves. The apocalypse happened because of nuclear war, human civilization was destroyed because of this & zombies became a problem, and then when humanity started collecting itself they had to hide from vampires, rainicorns, and all the other weird magical monsters preying on humans.

>>154716132
She's shocked at first, but she'd probably be into it

>>154721529
Imagine her schlicking her cunt in the bushes while watching Finn and Slime Princess have nasty slimy sex. She gets overwhelmed by the smell of it all and climaxes when she sees the slime and semen mix together in a noxious stew.

>>154721210
Who exactly in the right here again?

>>154721375
Wrong

>>154722299
Finn and The King of Ooo

>>154721125
It absolutely was a romance fuck up, it's literally a breakup scene. Her having some sad past leading to that behavior is supposed to matter now but her fans dismissed finns sad past and present to shit on him for his behavior anyway, even when it was more justified. Compare finn a child being clingy and crying after getting love bombed and gaslighted for no justifiable reason to marceline some old bitter bitch making things up while pestering someone and saying other people's lives don't matter because she's not getting attention 24/7. It doesn't fucking matter. Marceline's shitty ex boyfriend didn't even act as badly as she did and zero people forgave or gave a fuck about him. If you pulled out some sob story for him too it still wouldn't change shit. Fake ass annoying fans care more about marceline because she's more fuckable or fucks more like they do themselves. But they want to portray that bias as moral superiority or being logical and bitch about anyone caring more about the actual main character of the slop they're watching.

>>154722748
>her fans dismissed finns sad past and present to shit on him for his behavior anyway, even when it was more justified
When finns behavior was more justified. Marceline and her shitty fans threw rocks in a glass house.

>>154692044
Still mad about Finn getting with Huntress Wizard?

>>154721588
I can see her licking up the goo.

>>154721200
Based PB

>>154723132
How the hell is getting with Huntress Wizard a good thing for Finn? She caused him more pain than PB, the Lich and Fern's dead combined and she didn't even apologize.

>>154723485
LMFAO

>>154723336
No, retard
>>154723485
Stop being weak

>>154723589
It took her more than a decade for her to become a passable girlfriend for Finn, don’t pretend like she was a good one before that.

>>154703891
The giant statue says otherwise

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>>154723738
>

>>154716132
I still find it hilarious that absolutely nobody cared about the townie shit and was only interested in the HW part of the season.

>>154723790
I don't see a Billy statue

>>154722503
Explain how the anon is wrong. Which aspect of what he said was incorrect? Finn got turned down by bubblebitch and immediately jumped into a self-destructive relationship to quench feelings of rejection.

>>154724736
And he successfully moved on from PB while he was dating Flame Princess. FP being a rebound no longer mattered by that point.

>>154724759
>he successfully moved on from PB while he was dating Flame Princess
Lol. Lmao even. He didn't get over PB until the last few seasons. Remember when she showed up in his dream and gave him a sword the day he wanted to have sex? Or when he had a nightmare where he imagine PB and the Lich drinking tea together and PB told him she can't do those kind of adult things with him because he was TOO YOUNG?

>>154684796
>Finn with that really round body and head
Surefire way of telling you that it was another 'Finn gets cucked' episode

Adventure time really would have been a better show if the princesses were taken out of it.

>>154725117
Then there’s nobody to save, which is the whole point of the show.
What they actually needed was for the main Princess to be FINN’S AGE.

>>154725336
No, stupid bitch.
He's a hero who saves people and defeats badguys, like princess bubblegum(who really would have been a great antagonist).
He doesn't need the princesses to be a hero.
They need him to be interesting, as evidenced by meteoric drop in ratings and fucks to give as the "writers" turned the show into a lesbian singalong and had the child hero tortured abused and raped as a way of....building character.

>>154725547
What he needs and what the SHOW needed are two very different things. And the show needed princesses, yes. Otherwise it’s not a hero fantasy.

>>154725575
>hero's fantasy
Nta, but the show essentially stopped this being after the first seasons, literally who would root for a wimp sadsack pacifist like he was at the end show?
In fact this was so bad that the writers had to do full damage control in Fionna and Cake by baiting old viewers with a a new design and even then they cannot help themselves and emasculate him even more lmao

>>154723617
They seemed to be on/off for awhile. Kinda screwy to do that especially post Jake death but its def not the kinda thing ya should force. If she was too emotionally unavailable to be there for him then lettem move on.

>>154725575
No one watched adventure time for the princesses. They quickly became an albatross that killed off the organic real popularity it had and should have been written off quickly.
Just fire all of those wierd fucks and push them to a princesses show to inevitably sink on their own and have Finn and Jake go on adventures in the style of Billy. Can even bring back lady rainicorn and finn will find a few real damsels on the way. Maybe penny the bandit queen shows up and they form a party.