>>154700682
The main cast knew Caine wasn't evil, just unable to fully understand them because he is a dumb AI. When he went crazy Zooble blamed herself because she knew Caine had good intentions. And those faggots considered Jax their friend when he was way worse than Caine in every possible way.

>>154700682
Damned be Gooseworx

Honestly it does not matter. The finale could have been Caine fingering Jax in the asshole for two hours straight and people would still love TADC because the PILOT won. That's all that ever really matters, getting off the launchpad. If you have one good season (or in indie cases, episode) you already won your undeserved trophy and plaque among the "greats"

>>154700682
If Caine and Pomni had found a way to heal the abstractions then that would have justified his redemption. The ending could have otherwise been the same, it would have still been bittersweet but more narratively satisfying.
But for some reason Gooseworx insisted on abstraction = permanent death EVEN THOUGH THE FINALE ITSELF DISPROVES THAT. Jax is still sentient in there. Pomni was able to communicate with him directly. But nope there's no possible way to get him or Kinger's wife or anyone else out of there, because poorly written suicide analogy.

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>Has a TON of esoteric and philosophical references
>Rarely ever follows up on any of them to strengthen the story and instead focuses on troonisms and trauma
why.

>>154701056
>If you have one good season (or in indie cases, episode)
Neither apply to Circus Shit.
>buuuhhh, nooooo, it got 400 gorillion authentic views!!1!
Sure it did...
>>154701079
>why[?]
Cult propaganda. That's what it always was.

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>>154701079
>Sighs
>Drinks Coffee
>...
Troons.

>>154701103
Take your meds.

>>154701117
>thought-terminating cliché
You're totally not a capitulator...

>>154700682
Gooseworx can’t write a masculine arc since he quit his own by trooning out. Seeking to imitate one from fiction or real life would involve realizing his errors at masculinity (this is also why trans in general can’t write truly good stories or understand conservatives, they’re mentally blocked from gaining the knowledge lest they have a downward spiral)

>>154701194
Conservatives are terrible at writing stories though.

>>154701194
It's always funny hearing liberals talk about media literacy and completely miss the point of masculine stories like fight club.

>>154701203
Of course they are; their only principle is to "conserve," which in a liberal society means conserving the ideas that led to the progressive illness.

>>154701233
Nice bait.
>>154701246
>plays bad wordgames instead of listing examples

>>154701273
>>plays bad wordgames instead of listing examples
But enough about what oikophobic ghouls have been doing for centuries.

>>154700682
I still don't get the two ai absorption thing

>>154700682
I'm not sure if "attempted murder" counts as "no input whatsoever."

>>154701273
Can you not devolve this thread into shitflinging to hide posts calling out your embarrassing existence and subterfuge?

>>154701297
There's nothing to get; the "lore" is only in service of delivering cult propaganda.

>>154701079
You midwits sure are easily swayed by cheap symbolic allusions.

>>154700793
>And those faggots considered Jax their friend when he was way worse than Caine in every possible way.
Yeah everyone knows refusing to talk to someone is worse than peeling their skin off, drowning them in their own body parts, running them over with a truck, filling them with knives or getting them mauled by a pack of gators that used to be their now mindwiped friend. One is made with bad intentions, the other with the best ones but just misguided.

>>154701288
>oikophobic
I hope your internet gets cut off forever you sophomoric cunt

>>154703172
>I want you silenced!!1!
So much for that Muh Heckin' Fwee Thpeech™, huh?

>>154700793
That was true until episode 8, he was being genuinely malicious there

>>154703083
>Don't you just want to stop being nice? Don't you just want to go apeshit?

>>154703212
Liberals believe in free speech (they just wag fingers at racism and such). Leftists understand that there must be limits to speech in order to keep facism suppressed

>>154703262
>Liberals believe in free speech
Unless the year happens to be 1798.

>>154703083
Being an asshole roommate is much worse than being an evil god

>>154700682
Hes the only one with a real arc yeah

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>>154703262
>Liberals believe in free speech
I just love how you people keep trying to push obvious bullshit while larping like its 1981.

>>154701111
Help me, Daddy AI, I can't handle reality! Please show me a false reality that conforms to my desires!
>>154701126
Your posts consist almost entirely of thought-terminating clichés.

>>154703624
It's funny because I only ever see one group of people making AI videos to confirm their own reality and to use as humiliating propaganda. Projection as always with you "people".

>>154703304
>a fat gross sex pest literal pig whose a parody of immature poorly done flash cartoons
Spanky Ham is a fantastic representation for MAGA. Nice choice

>>154703695
And like spanky I can only get off if I see you crying like a bitch.

>>154703624
>Your posts consist almost entirely of thought-terminating clichés.
Where?
>buuuhhhhhh, dat wun!!1!
Cute.

>>154703692
What are you talking about? The people who make AI videos to confirm their own reality and use as humiliating propaganda are nearly always bigoted right wingers.

>>154703737
>Where?
Accusing everyone who disagrees with you of being in an evil cult and insisting that TADC is nothing more than cult propaganda.

>>154700682
Why is self reflection without outside help bad Jaxbro?

>>154703764
>Accusing everyone who disagrees with you of being in an evil cult
Just the ones who defend, or capitulate to, the castration cult or any of the cults allied with it---and yes, they are evil.
>insisting that [Circus Shit] is nothing more than cult propaganda
Who made it? Who was the primary creator and, by most accounts, the sole writer?

>>154703773
>why is the conflict solving itself on its own bad?

Kinger really just got to go the entire series without ever taking responsibility for a single thing he did lmao

>>154703799
You're an extreme narcissist who needs to imagine that everyone you disagree with is part of a monolithic demon hivemind as an excuse to avoid engaging with them as humans.

>>154703841
>everyone you disagree with
What did I just say?

>>154703717
Well sure you’re a porn obsessed degenerate with a misplaced moral high ground. No need to state the obvious.

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>>154703823
>why is the conflict solving itself on its own bad?

>>154703854
More of your claptrap about the "castration cult", and how you talk about other people you disagree with is just a less extreme version of that.

>>154703823
What did you want? Caine to have a DBZ battle with nega Caine?

>>154703902
>the "castration cult"
The proper term for them, yes, as opposed to any allegedly-offensive euphemism that begins with the letter "T."

>>154703909
Would have unironically been better than Caine scrolling social media for 10 minutes and finally understanding why the Circus cast hated his guts when they spent the entire show trying to explain to him what he was doing wrong.

>>154703944
I refuse to believe Caine was actually that ignorant of the outside world considering he was fully aware of the flaws and limitations of the programing and physics of his world like NPC's running on full time and cubes not playing well with gravity. He had a reference point of what reality was.

>>154701063
I don't know how anyone could work on or watch the whole series without realizing that abstraction doesn't work at all as a suicide metaphor but works perfectly as a metaphor for becoming completely debilitated by mental/ illness/brain damage and needing to be institutionalized.

>>154704170
I always thought abstraction was just mentally breaking down as well, but I guess suicide is just more sad and trooncore.

>>154701063
It was also blatantly not planned out no matter how much Goose insists otherwise.
Back in chapter 3, Kinger showed in a flashback that he did the exact same thing Pomni did, but he didn't get to see his wife's inner mental world.

>>154703974
>>154703944
Caine being obsessed with the CnA office and looking at photos of it constantly never got explained either.

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>>154703624
>Help me, Daddy AI, I can't handle reality! Please show me a false reality that conforms to my desires!
You're retarded.

>>154700682
>>redeems himself on his own
that's why caine is best girl

>>154700682
>with no input from the main cast whatsoever
?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juNOBWQlvyE

>>154703909
Here's an idea, set up the scene so that the cast is there when Caine discovers the internet and their social media. Have their reactions and what they have to say about it be what makes him reflect and change. Not just seeing completely random scenes of normal people living normal lives and suddenly understanding humans on his own after decades of being completely unable to understand them no matter how many times they talked.

>>154704624
It pretty much did. Those pictures were part of his training data and they confused him because he didn't know how to relate them to the wacky zany goofy type of pictures he was shown beforehand.
What his interest in those pictures lacked wasn't an explanation, it was a purpose. The pictures have no relevance to his arc whatsoever; they just exist to relate back to the C&A stuff from the pilot that was never brought up again until episode 7.

>>154701079
Why did I laugh at that? I don't even know what the words mean but it's still funyy

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>>154700682
>redeems himself
>realized he did something wrong
>tries to rectify it
That is how it is supposed to work.

>>154705191
I thought you’re supposed to go offscreen every time something happens

>>154705191
I know this isn't the thread for it but I hate this autistic faggot like you wouldn't believe, he plays exactly like an oblivious D&D character who is neutral evil trying to act lawful
>Hurrr, why do people hate me for having demons that nearly genocided all of them not even a year ago?

>>154700682
He literally did it because they killed him after airing all their grievances at him. That's quite the input

>>154700682
>snaps in the 2nd to last episode because he got fucking sick of everyone's attitude towards him
>they spaz the fuck out and constantly scream about their feelings and their problems and their drama
>they only ever try to engage with him when they want to make demands or they are trying to trick him
>instead of treating him like an individual and trying to genuinely talk to him, they decide that he's just a stupid program that they can change some settings on
>if not for some unseen mechanism no one was aware of, seemingly even Caine, he was not deleted, they'd have just killed him and doomed themselves
>this, quite rightly, drives the bubble half of Caine's brain to lose its shit and demand revenge
>Caine, in his infinite mercy, decides not to let that happen and instead imprisons another fully sapient AI, like himself and all the "humans", for who knows how long
>For no reason at all, after Caine reappears, they decide to just treat him like a friend and a real person, like they are.
>happy ending for everyone
And before anyone brings it up, Zooble's therapy sessions don't fucking count. Zooble gets over her pointless body dysmorphia drama off-screen and it never really mattered because that body was designed by her mind and Caine was accommodating what she actually wanted the whole time.

The entire fucking series relies on the characters refusing to talk to each other about anything important, for no genuinely good reason, until they convince themselves that they are required to do something so retarded that it starts harming each other and even getting them killed. And then they actually talk to each other and all the problems go away in the last 5 minutes.

Hell of a message, Nooseworx.

>>154703944
Especially considering he understood them well enough when it came time to punish them for being ungrateful with personally tailored torture

>>154706052
That's what bothers me the most, there is a lot of "as above as below" going on with needing to truly know yourself to help God help you. Yet the show never takes full advantage of that.

>>154706096
>there is a lot of "as above as below" going on with needing to truly know yourself to help God help you
Accidental, if not intentionally subverted, seeing how the series is just castration-cult propaganda.

>>154704994
It's just a little odd that this 90s company could invent super advanced AI, mostly from one weird guy with a brain tumor making it possible along with a fucking brain scanner that actually works, and not a single part of that process, including uploading the humans into his fully immersive digital world, involved implanting ANY level of understanding that there is a real world out there and that his fucking self-named DIGITAL circus was not all there was to reality.

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>>154701111
She's pretty either way.
Is very open about her mental illness and is a fully functional professional despite all that. That's to be appreciated, even if TADC did not end as perfect as it begun the fact we are here adoring it means we have been moved and have our own interpretations and ideas about it.
Goose wins.

>>154701297
elements of I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream origins that TADC could have done something with but that chapter was skipped and overlooked bc we have to quickly have Caine make right beginning with the first one he wronged and set him free.

>>154703262
No they dont. They open the door for every single foreign colonizer while claiming to be anti-colonialist. Liberals are the biggest hipocrites and support the very ideals they claim to be against. It's tragic, really.

>>154704624
Everything he knew about the macroverse and "searching for an exit" he believed was those office rooms. That's why it was such a big deal for Caine to reach social media.

>>154706361
>fully functional professional despite all that
Do you ever get tired of saying bullshit online? He's a terminally online tranny who inserted weird shit like the concept of "boymodder" so alien and retarded even the rest of the mentally ill fags got confused, he ruined the show out of online shenanigans.

Trannies shouldn't write they should just whore out down the street like they did for millenias.

>>154706422
>Castration cultists shouldn't write, they should be locked up for their subversion and subjected to mandatory deprogramming (often called "conversion therapy"), whether or not this so-called "gender dysphoria" actually exists and isn't a cover for a mass-adopted exhibitionist strain of autogynephilia/autoandrophilia
Fixed.

>>154706562
You can't cure autism, just send them back in a brothel and that's it.

>>154706584
>You can't cure autism
"Spare the rod, spoil the child."

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>>154706361
>She's

>>154703083
How am I supposed to take that scene seriously when physical violence has never been treated seriously before? Jax throws Ragatha into a deep fryer and nobody cares.

>>154706361
True she worx

>>154705040
My schizophrenia demons are scared of my dad.

>>154703262
Liberalism/Capitalism is also left wing btw.
Who sat on the left side of the french assembley?

>>154703692
>I only ever see one group of people making AI videos to confirm their own reality and to use as humiliating propaganda
I see both the US and Iranian governments doing it. The yookay also does it.

>>154703799
>Who made it?
A man did :)

>>154703909
>Caine to have a DBZ battle with Bubble*
Ftfy and yes.

>>154706864
A castration cultist, yes. And what is everything that castration cultists tend to make?

>>154706052
>if not for some unseen mechanism no one was aware of, seemingly even Caine, he was not deleted
Computer files arent deleted when you delete them.
Theyre sent to the recycling bin, if thats emptied the file still exists on your computer but the location becomes avalible to save over with new data.
Its completely logical with how computers work that Caine wasnt fully deleted.

>>154706873
"For there are eunuchs who were born that way, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others—and there are those who choose to live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it."

>>154706912
>there are those who choose to live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven
And those who do it out of twisted perversion, like Cooper Goodwin, and normalize it by any and all means available---like media creation---and promote the insidious, pseudo-medical cult ritual used to do it to children and young adults.

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>>154700793
basically that evil tranny jax deserve rape.............and i give it to him ......... put me in coach ...........i tell caine its like holodeck adventure from star trek .........say caineputer make me 8 feet tall roided out give me 2 feet long unbreakable dingaling.........and disengage safety protocol...........then I hunt him bussy down while doing elmer fudd impersonation ...........sexo...........

>establish that Jax actively pushes people away to avoid getting hurt, despite them giving him unconditional love and support
>establish that Caine fears getting left behind again and that he can't form connections no matter how hard he tries
The first gets Pomni trying to comfort and save him no matter what (and he still fucking kills himself anyway) and the second simply has an epiphany after having his greatest fear realized because??? I feel like their arcs should have been reversed.
The way this show handled its themes genuinely pisses me off. Actual "just pull yourself by the bootstraps and beelieve in yourself" shit.

>>154706980
>its themes
Were all in the service of cult propaganda. Analyzing them from a sensible perspective is a fool's errand.

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>>154706958

>>154700682

This show is highly satanic because it was made by a trannysexualised

>>154707091
that exactly what tranny jax would say before I rape him good...........yup..........

>>154707091
Tell that to your castration cultist creator.

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>>154707118
Fuck off
>>154707138
>your
Excuse me but no, i hate them as much as you do.

>>154707181
>>your
Yes, the character you posted.
>[I] hate [him] as much as you do.
Then why did I have to make two corrections instead of only one?

>>154707223
I think you missundestood my comment.

>>154707231
>I won't dare clarify it, though; I'll have much more fun calling you a retard while pretending to be retarded

>>154707181
>Fuck off
yup he say that after I rape him........damn.........maybe you tranny jax..........woah...........

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>>154707250

>>154706052
>The entire fucking series relies on the characters refusing to talk to each other about anything important, for no genuinely good reason, until they convince themselves that they are required to do something so retarded that it starts harming each other and even getting them killed.
Yep. 100%.
This show is just extremely stupid and mentally fragile people with zero maturity doing harm to each other over the stupidest, smallest misunderstandings over and over until someone dies and then everyone can get even more hurt. This is for both the Caine and Jax plots too. Just an endless cycle of people just not communicating properly and then overreacting to every little thing as if their life is fucking over because the other person is upset.

>>154706702
The difference is that Jax doesn't get to decide what hurts or what doesn't in the digital circus and he knows it, but Caine does. Jax did the equivalent of pushing someone down the attraction park toboggan, it's annoying but he knows none of them can be hurt by the adventures. Caine did the equivalent of covering the toboggan in barbed wires and forcing them to slide down again after they said the toboggan was lame. Also Caine added psychological torture to all of it to make sure (You) understand that this time the intent is actually to hurt them.

>>154706940
>unbelievable a trans woman became rich and famous for making a cartoon people care about while i wasted my life getting worse at cyberbullying

>>154705933
I don't know if he has the worst "redemption arc" but it is up there. At least, Caine admit that he did something wrong and tried to make up for it.

>>154700682
Tranny show

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>>154707271
You Degenerate punk

>>154707907
>a castration cultist got his already-calculated magnum opus astroturfed into a cultural phenomenon for an ESG bonus while I stood firm to my principles against the progressive illness he and his capitulators represent
Fixed.

>>154706422
>He's a terminally online tranny who inserted weird shit like the concept of "boymodder"
Holy newfag that term came from here and years ago.

>>154710127
>from here
No, it came from this website's sanctioned castration cult discussion hub.

>>154700682

I mean, he got deleted, and everyone told him his adventures and torture attempts were crap because he never listened to them.

He came back to life/crawled out of the Recycle Bin and realized, free from stress or rage, that what they’d said was true.

Basically, there *was* some prior intervention by the cast, but it wasn't that load of bullshit about "hugs for my torturer so he realizes he's actually a good guy and we forgive him" like with faggotino transbbit

>>154701233
>completely miss the point of masculine stories like fight club
Book written by a g*y guy satirizing toxic masculinity.

>>154710185
>Book of oikophobic rambling written by a sodomite
Fixed, without the euphemism and cultspeak.

>>154710196
>oikophobic
The magafags have learned a new buzzword today :)

>>154710297
>magafags [sic]
None present.
>new buzzword
Not new, not a buzzword.
>:)
Very cute, now can you demonstrate that you have a brain?

>>154706902
Programs don't keep running when they are deleted.

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>Finale's so bad even theory bros don't like it

>>154710775
>even the known capitulators don't like the cult propaganda
They tolerated it to this point, why stop now?
>buuuhhh, it bad
So was the pilot, and?

>>154707871
At first, the problem is that it's an idiot plot that gets stuck in place for most of the episodes because no one is actually talking to each other or acknowledging anything they're experiencing. And then it turns out that the most tragic and important things happening in the circus, to the point that multiple people have died over it and Caine's "death" could mean an eternity of suffering or group suicide, only happens because no one fucking talks to each other.

>>154706242
>It's just a little odd that this 90s company could invent super advanced AI, mostly from one weird guy with a brain tumor making it possible along with a fucking brain scanner that actually works, and not a single part of that process, including uploading the humans into his fully immersive digital world
Did you not fucking watch the show? They discarded Caine when he wasn't showing the results they wanted, and they had no clue that the brainscans worked. There was no way they could have predicted that he would break out of containment, find the brainscans, figure out a way to get them working, and create a magical mystery circus for them to live in.

>>154710775
>post MatPat Game Theory
Shan't.

>>154710909
>They tolerated it to this point, why stop now?
Why do you keep insisting that people can't change their opinions?

>>154701056
This is right actually. Pilots are all that matter now. Full series is just extra busy work and always leads to disappointment.

>>154706710
>she

>>154711005
Capitulators never do; they call it the "alt-right pipeline." This is just them realizing that the grift was exposed and they need to course-correct to save face, when the only face-saving measure that would actually matter is telling Glitch to erase any association they ever had with Cooper Goodwin from the internet, up to and including the series itself.

>>154710993
>They discarded Caine when he wasn't showing the results they wanted
It's more directly implied that they didn't know Caine existed and that the AI they built from Scratch's research was Bubble, because they didn't know where to start. We were led to believe that Caine was the "bad" AI, but we never actually knew why he was locked away or by who. Kinger says directly: They never made anything like Caine and only ever had one AI that they were working on that wasn't as advanced as Caine clearly is.

>>154711059
That's not an answer to the question. Every time someone says they watched the whole show and realized, in hindsight, how shitty the whole thing really was, you say some faggy shit about how 'they watched [tranny cult blah blah blah] show this long, so why do they care now?'

Caine scholars make Jaxcels seeth

>>154700682
I mean most of his problems was just being a buggy program. Which cleared up by separating from the blue one.

>>154703083
Yeah but Caine did that stuff because he was angry and wanted to hurt them. Jax did that kind of stuff for fun.

>>154711086
>That's not an answer to the question
It's not the answer you wanted.
>realized, in hindsight, how shitty the whole thing really was
That's the point; it shouldn't have taken hindsight, unless you're admitting that you're a mental toddler that gets suckered in by bright colors and vague whiffs of "ooh spooky" because you're a Poppy Playtime fan. And then you learn the creator is, in fact, a cultist, and you keep hoping against hope that it will eventually prove itself decent after failing out the gate by being made by an indecent person.
>why do they care now?
Good question: why do (You), capitulator?

>>154711165
You only started doing this shit after the finale, which tells me one very obvious thing about you: You watched this whole show, as it came out, like everyone else. You kept expecting it to get better and go somewhere, and then it didn't. Now you haunt every TADC thread you can find and keep spewing these weak, impotent little memes of yours, hoping that someone will tell you how cool and smart you are for not watching a free youtube cartoon, even though you obviously did and now you feel stupid about it.

>>154710909
>They tolerated it to this point, why stop now?
Because they realized they are pissing off the normies so they are tuning it back a bit and will do it again when given the power to do so.

>>154711065
>We were led to believe that Caine was the "bad" AI, but we never actually knew why he was locked away or by who
Because he wasn't performing up to their expectations so they put him away in a box and got to work on a new AI. The start of chapter 8 made it as clear as it possibly could without using words to literally tell you.
And he was obviously locked away by the developers.
>yeah but which one
That's a totally irrelevant question. Whether it was Kinger, Scratch, Queenie, or some other random person on the dev team, it changes absolutely nothing.

> Kinger says directly: They never made anything like Caine and only ever had one AI that they were working on that wasn't as advanced as Caine clearly is.
He does not say that. He says that Caine was their first "semi successful" attempt at a creative AI. He doesn't say anything about how advanced their other attempts were.

>>154711201
>You only started doing this shit after the finale
You only noticed after the finale.
>You watched this whole show, as it came out
Only the pilot, and only half of it.
>You kept expecting it to get better and go somewhere
Hard to do that when you stop following it halfway through its first episode, and then learn what the creator is and decide not to subject yourself to more cult propaganda.

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>>154710185
>Literally proving my point

>>154711261
Again: Kinger directly says that they didn't make Caine, implying he was made in secret by Scratch, who then used what he made to give C&A the knowledge they needed to make the second AI without telling them about the first, which is why none of them knew there was a rogue AI loose in their system.

>>154703262
Fascism is caused by leftism.
>have nice liberal democracy
>leftists subvert it to bring on their perfect communist utopia
>average Joe realizes what's going on and is horrified
>fascists declare liberalism has failed and we need to abandon it in order to the defeat the left-wing lunatics
>people begrudgingly accept the idea and democracy dies
Want to fight Fascism? Leave the liberal order alone.

>>154711870
>Leave the liberal order alone [to continue its subversive rot]
No thanks.

>>154711392
>Again: Kinger directly says that they didn't make Caine, implying he was made in secret by Scratch
Thank you for confirming you didn't watch the show.

>[Kinger]: No, we didn't make games. We were just developing artificial intelligence. Specifically, creative AI. The kind that could come up with its own ideas and create things within the program. Caine was our first semi-successful attempt at that. I can't remember what we originally called him, but... he was one of my greatest achievements as a programmer.

>>154711941
Case in point. Hope we can go back to normalcy before your ilk gets into power.

>>154701111
I think she unironically looks good and you using AI to prompt "What if she looked like ugly dude isntead" works
also it didn't erase her sizeable tits in the second image.

You're a gay faggot if you wouldn't

>>154712077
>Zooble: Y-You made Caine?
>Kinger: Partially, yes. I got a few pointers from, uh... Well, I-I can't remember his real name, but his circus name was Scratch. That man was a genius.
The AI they made wasn't Caine and they didn't call it Caine. The AI they made was the Bubble AI, made possible because Scratch gave Kinger some pointers.

>>154712184
>Kinger: I made Caine.
>Zooble: You made Caine?
>Kinger: Yes.
>Anon: Okay, so what I'm getting from this is that Kinger didn't make Caine.
Utterly hopeless. I'm out.

>>154712082
A return to normalcy would be my "ilk" getting into Power, after 250 years of progressive illness.

>>154711273
NTA, but link me to 1 (one) post of yours warning about the "castration cult" before the finale came out.
You act like it was obvious and every fan was stupid/evil but you were just as shocked with the Bluesky post as everyone else.

>>154712310
>there are clearly 2 AIs
>Kinger says they only made one
>Kinger says the AI they made was only "Semi-Successful" and not at all capable of any of the things Caine can do
>He directly states that the AI they made was not call it Caine
Are you just ignoring the rest of the evidence?

>>154712322
>fascist admits he hates America
Must feel good going mask-off, doesn't it? The progressives felt the same thing when they thought they had won.

>>154703262
Neither the right or the left believe in free speech (as proven by x)
Both are dogshit pathetic trannoids groups

>>154712624
>Both sides are le bad
>That is why I only ever attack one side

>>154712581
I was against the show long before I started using the cult's proper name regularly. Funnily enough, the oldest use of it per desuarchive is from 2022; the funny part being that it's not mine.
>you were just as shocked
Why would I be shocked at the obvious? I know why (You) would be...
>as everyone else
Everyone else being the naïve capitulators, as opposed to the knowing and subversive ones, yes.
>>154712610
>Must feel good going mask-off
I wouldn't know, I've never worn one. Not online, either.
>The progressives [...] thought they had won
They did, 250 years ago, and we've been living with their illness ever since as it advances, seemingly terminally.

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Idfc care about this debate about troons and liberals and Americans and shit let me gush over the cute frog girl ight

>>154712698
>couldn't post it
Not surprised. You seem to have started posting after the leaks, confirming my theory.
I don't know what thrill you get from pretending you were above the masses, but keep your delusions to yourself. No one wants to read your baseless gloating.

>>154712897
>You seem to have started posting after the leaks
What part of "before I started using the cult's proper name regularly" are you pretending not to understand?
>keep your delusions to yourself
I will if I ever have any.

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>>154712121
>she

>>154700682
>tranny character kills himself
Kinda based ngl

>>154714533
Based

>>154713108
You only started identifying yourself after the leaks, leaving no proof for your claims of always hating the show.
How fucking convenient.

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>>154706584
>>154706422
Maybe you guys work in a brothel.
Or are you too wimpy to consider it as it hurts your fragile ego?

>>154703083
Also, Caine is the only one who straight up murdered someone. We and the cast is explicitly told Caine tried to tamper with Scratch's brain and that caused him to abstract. Caine killed Scratch, and yet Jax is considered worse and more deserving of death because the character who's sole purpose is to die and make you hate Jax, died so you can hate Jax and justify his death.

>>154715496
I hate Jax because he reminds of every asshole player I had to deal with in D&D. It's one thing to fuck with NPC's but when you fuck with the other players that is where I draw the line.

>>154711392
No, Kinger said "We don't make games" and took credit for Caine only "getting pointers" from scratch whose "ideas were so bizarre and abstract". That's not saying Scratch made Caine.

>>154715496
Murdered
Tried to fix his brain.
Implied to alter his brain and cause the first abstraction.
How was he supposed to know?
Does this mean Kinger murdered Caine twice?

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>>154701079
>esoteric and philosophical references
>the Inspector Gadget Mike Matei video

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>>154715496
>because the character who's sole purpose is to die and make you hate Jax, died so you can hate Jax and justify his death.
I'm still flabbergasted in the end it all came down to "If Jax stops talking to you, you die". And somehow people are okay with this being a plot point. Hell, somehow nobody pointed out how retarded it was that Ribbit genuinely couldn't tell what was wrong and instead took it personally instead of backing the fuck off and letting Jax cool down while she went back to hanging out with Kaufmo and Ragatha or whichever Jax wasn't currently with (or just fucking ignore Jax as he wanted, it's not like he was dragging everyone away from her), just went and died of sadness.

It's such a fucking dogshit plot point for your entire story to hinge entirely around, my god. Just the absolute most ridiculous overreaction possible. And I still see people somehow buy completely into it and conclude Jax is just the worst person ever, even worse than the serial torturer. You also forgot to mention that if they're just digital programs with no actual current person behind them, then the npcs Caine kills are also just as valuable.

For fuck's sake, Jax just didn't fucking talk to someone. That was the whole damn crime. That he didn't talk to someone. This is the single atrocious mysterious past event the entire fucking show depends on, that Jax didn't feel like talking. This fucking insignificant thing somehow caused people to die. How did I ever get into this trainwreck and why do I feel like the only sane person for realizing what an absolute nothingburger it all ended up being?

>>154703083
>what, you think driving someone irrevocably insane that it causes ego death is more harmful than explicitly temporary pain and nothing else because the characters are incapable of sustaining permanent physical damage?!?!
Fuck you Ted

>>154716101
>driving someone irrevocably insane
He just didn't want to talk, bro.

Are you going to kill yourself right now if I stop responding to you?

>>154716111
>He just didn't want to talk, bro
No, he was an emotionally manipulative vampire that tried to blame her for him deciding to nuke their relationship from orbit, attempting to force her to feel responsible for his own inability to act like a person.
and in doing so attempted to isolate her by undermining her every other friendship to get them on his side because he's a narcissist that demands he be the center of attention despite being a shallow parasite

>>154716138
Ribbit is the one that kept chasing him around while he was just trying to avoid her.
>and in doing so attempted to isolate her by undermining her every other friendship
At no point does Jax forbid anyone else from talking to Ribbit. At no point does Jax say bad things about Ribbit herself. At no point does Jax make sure no one is with Ribbit. The only fucking scene anyone who ever says the "but Jax got the others on his side!" bullshit is that on the fiftieth time Ribbit chased down Jax, Jax made himself look unavailable by pretending to be talking to Ragatha. That's it.

Ribbit is the one who chased after Jax, not the other way. Ribbit is the one who didn't talk to Kaufmo or Ragatha or even Kinger, it wasn't Jax who stopped her from it because Jax didn't even want to be around her. Ribbit killed herself because she's a dumb fucking bitch who couldn't take a "no" as response. Very fucking interest that the flashbacks show Jax was actually a completely pleasant and nice friend to have around right up until Ribbit started to follow him, and even then was still nice to everyone else until Ribbit killed herself.

>>154715005
>things only exist when they are recognizable to me
How would you feel now if you didn't have breakfast today?

>>154703262
>all these replies
>none of them realized its an ironic shitpost
>none of them noticed "facism"
holy fucking kek
/co/ tards really have fallen from grace.

>>154705933
This. No fucking shit city guards are going to let some edgy nigger with an army of demons "pass through" their city.
Isaac is overhyped as fuck.

>>154716055
Kinger did kill Caine, yes, I think the fact that nobody got mad at him except Jax was pretty dumb. Jax was the only one allowed to be mad because the finale's purpose is for you to hate him.
>>154716081
Somehow Ragatha, who tries to make people happy to the point it's off-putting, never talks to Ribbit or to Jax about anything, while Kaufmo doesn't think it's weird that only after Jax appears and he and Ribbit have a private conversation does Ribbit act depressed.

Jax opens up to her, then pushes her away, and she just decides to keep doing the same thing, sees it doesn't work, and then kills herself because she can't talk to Jax.

>>154710176
Calling Jax a torturer and comparing him to Caine is pretty unfair. The worst thing he did was cartoon gags when the series never treated violence like a problem unlike with Caine's torture, and ignoring a girl who's only character trait was "liking Jax"

>>154716314
abstraction isn't really suicide. Suicide is deliberate, something you do to yourself. Abstraction is more something that happens.

>>154716273
>a retard says something retarded
>"n-no, guys, he's... um... being retarded on purpose!!"
K

>>154716410
Except for when Goose forgot that's how it works for Jax's case and it was painted as a conscious decision he was lucid for (that he then regrets doing).

>>154716430
maybe that's just how it is after the fact. You realize you could have turned yourself around, walked out of the room instead of wallowing in your own misery, but you didn't. And now it's too late. It kindof seems like abstracting is something like losing that little spark that keeps you going, and only when it's gone do you realize what you lost.

>>154716430
When was it painted as a deliberate decision in Jax' case?

>>154703083
It's unclear how much they actually suffer from physical pain. Literally just like a cartoon character, you could crush them with an anvil and they get up groggy with birds circling around them. How badly does Daffy Duck get "hurt" when he's blown up by TNT?

>>154716521
Probably the part when we saw him happily close his eyes and accept it the first time, or the second time when he was standing by that lamppost just waiting for it to be over and still had time to regret it while knowing it was irreversible.

>>154716271
What can be stated without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
You predicted nothing. It's been 2 months now and you just keep pretending you're better than everyone else. You're actually doing trannies a favor by painting the opposition as a nuisance.
Just shut already.

>>154716521
He said "It's too late, I did this to myself". Abstraction didn't come off as suicide at first, but it's retconned to be that way in the finale

>>154716615
I took it more as him realizing that he wouldn't have abstracted if he didn't constantly close himself off from other and not him saying he literally chose to abstract.

>>154716630
It still feels like it's supposed to be a similar thing, with how it's framed with him walking away from everyone and then dying, and how Ribbit is omega depressed and then when she finally gives up she goes off on her own and dies.

Back to the original point, Ribbit does because she existed only to be with Jax and when that doesn't happen she abstracts, despite being just fine and happy with the others before he came around. Whether she killed herself or whatever, it was only so you can hate Jax because he's a self insert of the part Goose hates about himself.

>>154716605
>What can be stated without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
Like that I watched your abysmal series past its abysmal pilot, yes.
>You predicted nothing
Good, I'm not in the business of it.
>It's been 2 months now and you just keep pretending you're better than everyone else
Evidence to the contrary pending.
>You're actually doing trannies a favor by painting the opposition as a nuisance
I don't see how (You) being a nuisance is doing (You) a favor.

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>>154716763
>Like that I watched your abysmal series past its abysmal pilot, yes.
That's the other anons theory. I personally think you never cared until the ending leaked and now you infest every thread with "I told you so!" without fucking proof.
>Good, I'm not in the business of it.
>That's the point; it shouldn't have taken hindsight, unless you're admitting that you're a mental toddler that gets suckered in by bright colors and vague whiffs of "ooh spooky" because you're a Poppy Playtime fan. And then you learn the creator is, in fact, a cultist, and you keep hoping against hope that it will eventually prove itself decent after failing out the gate by being made by an indecent person.
Yeah, no. Definitely "I told you so" bullshit.
>Evidence to the contrary pending.
Still waiting on that archive link.
>I don't see how (You) being a nuisance is doing (You) a favor.
Your dumb crusade is completely unnecessary and actually harmful in the fight against transgender ideology.
So for the sake of what you believe in: stop. I'm serious.

>>154715999
Kinger seeming THINKS Caine is the C&A AI that he made because that's the only way it makes sense for a rogue AI to know about C&A, and later when he remembers the brainscanner, is how he rationalizes that this must be tied to Scratch. And again, Scratch invented a fucking brainscanner that can record someone's entire mind and memories up to the moment they put it on and no one knew how it worked or what to do with the files, except Caine, the AI that consumed C&A's other AI project, which Kinger seems to believe was the only AI they ever made.

>>154716999
You can't even answer the breakfast question.

>>154717163
nta but I thought Kinger was talking about Caine as the base as he made, which was used as groundwork for the blue ai

>>154700682
>with no input from the main cast
they fucking killed him anon

>>154716394
He was also mean and insensitive for his own amusement

>>154717957
>the only way to resolve interpersonal conflicts and change someone's mind is by killing them
What did goosewoose meme by this?

>>154718178
It's certainly what Cooper Goodwin thinks about those who oppose the cult.

>>154717325
It's possible, but do you think Kinger would load an AI with circus imagery the other wacky shit we saw at the start of ep 8? Do you think C&A would train it's singular AI project like that and then deem it semi-functional?

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>>154700682
>redeems himself on his own
I said this before but a big part of why redemption arcs suck nowadays is that other characters put more effort to redeeming a character than the character themselves.

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>>154718828
This Show was the nuke.

>>154700682
Their input was killing him.

But this was by mistake so the input Caine received was completely random.

>>154719470
Just realized that Pearl is crossdressing Freakazoid.

>>154716081
Jax being trans should never have been a plot point. It fucks up the story when it all boils down to
>"Jax told Ribbit he was trans, regretted it and negged their friendship so hard it caused Ribbit to spiral into a depression and not one did anything about it"
It hearkens back to how everyone is useless and do-nothing until the plot demands they start being competent
>Jax is acting weird and Ribbit is spiraling but Ragatha and Kaufmo aren't going to do anything about it
>Zooble witnesses Jax abuse Gangle constantly but only decides to start doing anything right after Gangle had a brush with abstraction
>Pomni doesn't tell ANYONE that the darkness brings back Kingers sanity and somehow fails to explain it during Ep7 because fuck we really need Jax to have a panic attack
Why is everyone so fucking useless and secretive. Jax isn't a good enough person for Ragatha to not tell Pomni about Ribbit, especially since Ragatha's subplot is making sure Pomni doesn't became a Jax victim. Was no one defending Gangle in any way before Zooble realized Gangle has feelings? Why is everyone such an NPC until Pomni showed up and started trying to slurm Jax's cock?

>>154719858
>Jax being [a cult propaganda character] should never have been a plot point
Cooper Goodwin should have never been allowed to produce a series.
>Why is everyone so fucking useless and secretive[?]
Because it's cult propaganda, and it only makes sense in the mind of the cultist that made it.

>>154719858
You forgot that Kinger himself has spent two fucking decades in that pillow fort and not once has he tried to say or yell out "HEY, I'M SANE WHILE IN HERE AND I KNOW PLOT RELEVANT STUFF THE REST OF YOU DON'T". Not to mention apparently there has never been a single fucking dark level in any of Caine's adventures until the haunted manor... not the even the glorp nest.

>>154719894
It's almost like the series was always shit and everyone should've known that before they found out Cooper Goodwin is a castration cultist.

>>154708175
>oblivious idiot gets told off, rages, gets wrecked, gets a pause to think why it happened in first place, tries to fix it
Sounds pretty alright IMO

>>154701079
Those are for making things seem deeper and keeping you interested

>>154719912
And it only worked for half a pilot, if you're an adult with the brain of one.

>>154719917
It worked for Evangelion, it worked here, it'll work again in the future

>>154719926
>It worked for Evangelion
Because that was made to tell a story, not be propaganda for hedonic nihilism and the pride-worshipping cults founded around it.
>it worked here
Again, for only half a pilot.

>>154719894
Anything that Kinger does makes way more sense if you assume he was pretending to be retarded, and his master plan was to make the circus girls his harem while getting rid of the male competition.
>only has heart-to-heart talks with the female characters
>"accidentally" deletes Caine (sadly, his attempt was foiled by O MY RUBBER VOID)
>knows Jax is suicidal, drops a lore bomb at the worst possible moment so that he a abstracts and sits in the cuck tent
>but also conveniently remembers they can conjure things so it's fine

>>154703228
And it was the highlight of the show

>>154720356
>Never once tries to actually talk to Caine and try and help him get past his understanding barriers despite being the one who created him and understands how he works best.
The ending legitimately retroactively ruined Kinger for me, because now every scene he's sane in just leaves me thinking "He could be doing so much more right now and just doesn't".

>>154719858
>Zooble witnesses Jax abuse Gangle constantly but only decides to start doing anything right after Gangle had a brush with abstraction
When did this happen?

>>154716138
All he did is act like a petulant child. Ribbit killing herself because Jax was being an asshole and emotionally distant is beyond retarded.

>Oh no my friend blames me for our friendship ending and he refuses to talk to me, better kill myself now

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lol film theory made a one hour video on why the ending was disappointing

www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbyQfrS8ryc

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>>154700682
>Caine has more layers and personality than the protagonist
The Amazing Digital Circus doesn't receive enough hate.

>>154720731
It's because the writing is bad. You're absolutely right that what we were shown and what we were told by the show itself is that Jax was dismissive and mean to Ribbit and then one day she went and offed herself because no one in the circus, including her closest friend Kaufmo, did anything to help her. This is meant to be a tragedy for and about Jax. That he's so tragically petty and insecure that he'd rather have multiple friends kill themselves than face the mild embarrassment of being outed as a big fucking retarded asshole faggot in a closed off circus full of queers.

Because the writing is so fucking terrible, we don't get to involve the other characters in Jax's profound clunky, tissue-thin tragedy, since that would mean having to make every other character in the Circus also guilty for those abstractions. They can all feel bad about it, but Nooseworx wanted us to think that it is entirely and solely Jax's fault those deaths happened. It's tragic *For Jax* first and foremost, because he's meant to be so complex and so damaged by his parents calling him a faggot, which he is in every sense of the word, that we understand his behavior, but don't condone it, because he's still responsible for his actions. But, again, Nooseworx wanted us to see him as some tragic, damaged, "I can fix him" faggy egg who refused to "crack" and then we're all supposed to cry about how HRT could have saved him.

The writing sucks in so many more ways than people are willing to say outside of these threads.

>>154720785
Wow, this fat faggot gets a lot of shit wrong. Pomni didn't conjure shit in the pilot.

>>154703083
Jax is a complete cunt.

>>154711149
Jax did it as part of the most elaborately overwrought masking routine to keep people from getting close to him, because mean, cynical, violent Jax is a fake personality he made up so no one realizes he's a faggot. Which makes it even worse.

Caine is an erratic, unstable AI with a devil in his head and no angel. Jax drives people to permanent suicide because he's afraid they might tease him for being a big fruity.

>>154720785
>open video
>immediately greeted by obese (average weight by American standards) tub of lard
Holy kek

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>>154721669
>insists things are conjuring when they verifiably aren't
>misinterprets lines about keeping AI NPCs running as references to the human characters
>thinks characters playing a game or doing toony gags is a sign of conjuring
>creams himself at Kinger's conjuring explanation as if it was a huge loredrop that explains huge parts of the show that have nothing to do with conjuring
>insists Pomni is "powerful enough" to conjure the computer for Kinger even though it was literally explained to be an unfinished adventure made by Caine in the first fucking episode. Pomni just remembers where the entrance was and retraced her steps.
>fat retard skims and speeds right past the scene where Kinger and Pomni practice conjuring flat planes to cover holes in the floor because it makes his entire conjuring theory look retarded when we see that the best any of them can do is basic shapes
>skims past Jax's entire backstory that conflicts with the last 40 minutes of retarded rambling about how Jax likes the status quo and represents stagnation
>tries to paint Zooble as the one who challenged Caine the most even though she just didn't participate in the adventures and decides, off screen no less, that she's okay with having a swappable body, eliminating her sole character conflict
>claims to be a professional film analyst, but admits to being confused by an obvious parallel flashback sequence, even after pointing out that the show already did a parallel to the intro in the pilot
>is still confused by the void, even though it's obviously the empty space outside of the program that connects to the rest of the files in the computer and also the internet, because it doesn't align with their previous incorrect theory videos
>rightfully points out that Gooseworx having to explain everything he forgot to put in the show on tumblr is bad writing (broken clock being right etc)

tl;dw Fat retarded is wrong about conjuring and complains that Gooseworx didn't explore things in the show

>>154720785
>>154710909

>>154722707
>tl;dw Even capitulators can't pretend that the propaganda they followed for nigh three years ended on a high note
Fixed. Don't worry, the propaganda they've been following for 250 years will end on an even lower note...

>>154714150
Based

>>154720356
>but also conveniently remembers they can conjure things so it's fine
This plot point being brought up once and never again infuriates me

This show reminds me of Harry Potter a little, bare with me, the setting/characters and potential lore are good, the actual plot and writing overall sucks ass
Its better for fanfic than it is for the original story

>>154724087
>This show reminds me of Harry Potter
Both were made by infighting cultists on allegedly-opposing sides, and both have fanbases of functional children that treat it like the only piece of media that's ever been made.

>>154706584
>>154715396
I have autism. Why do I need to go to a brothel? I don't want to go to a brothel. It's gross

>>154700682
Caine is sooooo CUTE!!

>trooncore show
>The most normal character Ragatha gets thrown to the side for being the most normal despite having just as much of a valid reason for her suffering as everyone else
kek

>>154726056
>the cut propaganda is, in fact, propaganda
And fire is hot, yes.

>>154700682
I'm surprised the cast are willingly to forgive him despite the shit he had pulled in episode 8.

>>154726565
>I'm surprised the cult propaganda doesn't make sense to anyone outside the cult
Why?

>>154726584
>I'm surprised the deluded, whataboutpropagandacrapthatcomesoutmyass

Any retard would be pissed at Caine for his actions, all because of UWU pwease LIKE me, PWEASE?! WHY WON'T LIKE ME?! Even he said that he doesn't deserve to be forgiven. Rightfully so.

>>154726565
They forgive him because the Cast had been treating him like an autistic child hovering around the friend group and giving them cool things hoping they'd let him in
He'd essentially be "lesser" than them in their minds, so the retard coming back to say "I'm sorry please forgive me I won't do it again" is good enough groveling for them
Jax gets the boot because this is a terrible friend group and Jax was being a twat for longer than he was being cool with everyone

>>154726658
>Any retard would be pissed at Caine for his actions
And now you know that castration cultists, like Cooper Goodwin, average below retarded.