>Prime hates edgy subversive nu-Superman and wants comics to go back to the more lighthearted Silver Age version>everyone calls him a chuddy fanboy and that he needs to accept comics becoming more dark and mature>flash forward to now>grimdark Supermen like Zack Snyder's are universally reviled>people want more "hopecore" Superman with Starman edits and Gunn's Superman making quippy jokes and never giving up in the face of impossible odds>AKA, the exact thing Prime wanted back all alongAnd redditors STILL try to act like he was in the wrong?
>>154702528I didn't find Prime himself annoying I found the authors who used him as a means to vicariously call their critics annoying retards annoying
>>154702549Fpbp. Superboy-Prime was always cool, he just needed less toxic writers.
>>154702528>people want more "hopecore" Superman with Starman edits and Gunn's Superman making quippy jokes and never giving up in the face of impossible oddsWell, that movie flopped, so it's clear people didn't actually want that
>>154702650How did it flop?
>>154702683It didn’t. Don’t feed the Snyderfags.
>>154702683>How did it flop?It made 615M on about a 350M budget. It flopped.>>154702691It did. Get over it, Supernerd.
>>154702549>>154702613Aaaand /thread
>>154702528>grimdark Supermen like Zack Snyder's are universally reviledBy dorks.>people want more "hopecore" Superman with Starman edits and Gunn's Superman making quippy jokes and never giving up in the face of impossible oddsThat was so forced and performative. No one but turbonerds like bubblegum Superman.
>>154702528>Nobody liked Snyder >Everybody begged for Gunn's Superman. That's not what the box office reflects lmao
>>154702887Especially internationally. Even Demon Slayer beat it. On a 20M budget too.
>>154702887Compare the total superhero box office gross from 2013 to 2025People just don't give a shit in general, Superman still made more than anything else that year
>>154703039>Superman still made more than anything else that year>>154702901
>>154703072I meant other cape shit lol, slip of the words
>>154702528>Prime hates edgy subversive nu-Superman and wants comics to go back to the more lighthearted Silver Age versionIronic, since he's murder hobo
>>154702528SBP was always a strawman using legitimate fan complaints and opinions, made especially relevant since the build up to Infinite Crisis was the edgiest that DC has ever been.
>>154702549This.
>>154703207I love how the writers eventually realized Prime was right about shit getting too dark and convoluted. As if that was some unreasonable complaint in 2006.
>>154702683You need 10 trillion just to break even troon
>>154703207Except that was the point. They broke down their characters as much as humanly possible, crippling every single one of them so that when everything goes wrong, all that was left were the symbols. If everything was destroyed, could those symbols still mean something? Could they rally back, and could they still be good? The answer was yes.
>>154703207Much of SBP's accusations have either been recognized by readers as grotesque, cheap shock value or eventually undone by the writers or editorial reboot>Jason's murderPrime Status: VINDICATED.>What happened to Coast City and in turn Hal Jordan and in turn the GLCPrime Status: VINDICATED>Ted Kord shot and forgottenPrime Status: VINDICATED>"I couldn't even watch what they did to Sue Dibny"...Even if inadvertently SBP might have become the most right "villain" in superhero comics.
>>154702549fpbp
>>154703444Prime is the guy who would move mountains to fuck marvel and everyone involved on omd an bnd, and civil war as herape of the xmen in the 2000'sSeriously, even Jean would be on his side since she saw everything even from beyond the grave.
>>154703207Honestly a fitting villain name for him during that time period would be Strawman Prime. But it just goes to show the danger of using a using a strawman, sometimes they have a point.
>>154702528Redditors are stupid, of course they thought best boy was wrong
The late 2000s/early 2010s period was just rife with this notion that the consumers were overly entitled with their gripes and qualms and requests for higher quality things and now in the 2020s everyone is now just going "wait a minute, they were right"You can see it in games. You can see it in movies. You can see it in comics.
>>154703207>I couldn't even WATCH what they did to Sue DibnyWhat's funny is this line is strange if we're talking purely in universe. The other two explicit mentions are things characters actually did. But the last is something NO hero had control over. It only makes sense as a condemnation of the very nature of the universe and thus of the writers.Prime is pretty explicitly shitting on the people who made that story there, couched in a way where he's critiquing the characters. Which is, insidiously, also why he's the villain here. His anger ends up focused on the the characters themselves, when all of his righteous anger is more about the state of the Comics themselves. You can't blame characters for behaving in ways their writer made them.Which is, of course, also why you can't blame Prime either.
>>154702800>>154702650>>154702844
>>154705828I’ve always wanted Prime to trap the writers in a comic and give them a taste of their own medicine—nothing too bad, just screwing with them ala the “Duck Amuck” episode of Merrie Melodies, where Bugs Bunny torments Daffy Duck as the animator. Eventually he would let them out of the comic and wink to the audience, George Reeves style.
Is he right here?
>>154706075Evidently.And tragically how fervently it's ignored is the source of a lot problems with canon and quality now.Too many people are in the business or interested in being involved just to take control of something not contribute anything, because forcing significant or marketable things to an established work means the small and pitiable but likely chance of royalties from adaptations that use it, and a dedicated readership is going to stick with mainline regardless of what's retconned in or out anyway so you don't have to worry too much about today's paycheck while setting up for tomorrow's.
>>154706075Who, Prime or Manchester Black.Based on his smile, I feel like Manchester is deliberately needling Prime here, especially since their connection have given him some of Prime's perspective on things, so he knows exactly what gets Prime heated.
>>154702528You either die a meta villain or live long enough to see yourself become a meta hero
>>154702528There is a time and place for cheesy comics/cartoons. But they shouldn't dominate. We as men are naturally drawn to badassery. And to communicate badassery the hero has to overcome terrible situations and dangerous enemies. Even Fleischer Superman struggled and overcame.
>>154707821>We as men are naturally drawn to badassery.none of that shit was badass you little fag
>>154706034If they just made him into a weird comedy movie like this he’d be the next Deadpool within a year
>>154707493Yeah, the S on the chest is kinda obvious that he's channeling prime in some way
>>154707821>We as men are naturally drawn to badassery
>>154702691Except it did and MoT is gonna flop harder!
>>154704017>Themiscyra Freedom FightersWAIT WAIT WAIT
>>154702528They agree with Prime back then and they agree with him now. If Superman is the embodiment of HOPE of the world, Superboy Prime is the embodiment of status quo or fans. He even types like I do
>>154704017>wants to kill clark's parentsManchester Black... is based?
>>154711612Sure thing, Raj.
>>154711829>Prime ACTUALLY achieved CHIM and managed to get his redemption arc scheme off the groundThis motherfucker. What a guy.
>>154702528>Prime hates the edgy Superman.>He becomes the edgy Superman and kills the Silver Age Superman.>"Hopecore" gives him a redeemed goth girlfriend, makes heroines wet over him, gives him an edgier enemy, and has Ma and Pa Kent take his side and vilifying Power Girl for refusing to forgive him, even though he killed her ClarkYeah
>>154702528Basically when Infinite Crisis was going on, there were enough readers who were actually enjoying the comics of the time, or who liked the post-Crisis characters Prime was reeeing about for them to side with the writers' narrative. And he's gratuituously killing and maiming people to achieve his goals to drive home that he's the bad guy you're not meant to agree with.By modern times cape comics have gotten so bad that Prime's "burn it all down, kill everything and reboot to the good old days" plan has started to sound like the only workable solution left (turns out readers hated the woketardery of the 2010s and 2020s a lot more than they hated edgy 2000s comics, and it's done things that are a lot harder to walk back from even with a reboot), while Prime himself has mellowed out and had a story about just quitting reading comics and walking away that was really cathartic to a lot of people.
>>154702528People had to learn for themselves
>>154702901>Even the most popular anime in recent years beat itAnime kicking westoid ass is nothing new
>>154715291He killed the golden age Superman.
>>154703444Why do you think DC turned him into a murderous edgelord? To mock fans (and creators) who complained about their new misery porn direction.
>>154706075Yes, he's absolutely right here. Look at how many of the most acclaimed 'classic' superhero comics are so popular because they're a SOMEONE DIES!!!! story, and look at how many of the most acclaimed and popular writers in the industry are the ones who got permission to break the toys and just destroy characters, and the rape o'clock writers who just went full edgelord every chance they got and think it's funny.
>>154702528He's never been in a good comic.
>>154702528>grimdark Supermen like Zack Snyder's are universally reviledOh yes, thats why every fucking new toy brand starts with ZSJL waves and Superman 2025 couldnt even finish the basic characters with mcfarlane? and mcfarlane prefers to release a fucking zsjl parademon figure instead before losing the license?If anything Cavill Superman looms bigger and bigger every day.>>people want more "hopecore" Superman with Starman edits and Gunn's SupermanTell that to Supergirl's snapped neckAlso if you think grimdark is not wanted or liked, I have some Absolute line numbers and records to make you cry.Grimdark is back full force.
>>154715952Because writers took criticism too personally. Any time you create a strawman character it’s because someone or something got to you.
>>154715291>He becomes the edgy Superman and kills the Silver Age Superman.That was literally the point. He screams "YOU'RE RUINING ME" as his own power and foolishness results in him at first accidentally killing people and then intentionally so as he externalizes his rage and begins purposefully lashing out further.This is why he was hated. Not just because he was obviously a caricature of internet fanboys, but because he was a childish, whiny, incompetent in all the ways a person can be besides punching baby. It was literally the "my side is the reasonable chad, your side is the obviously irrational basedjak" thing. It was the comic going "your complaints are childish whining, you don't have a single rational, reasonable argument beyond your impulsive feelings."
>>154717370>Grimdark is back full force.You really don't understand the appeal of the Absolute line. It's post grimdark. It's saying "things are terrible and suck and it's essentially impossible to do good or be good." And then it says "Do it anyway."Absolute Superman redeemed fucking RA'S AL GHUL, THE DEMON'S HEAD. A version that was depicted as more powerful and less moral than pretty much any other version of Ra's we've gotten. He did it by reading to him from a book for weeks.Absolute Batman has Bruce's entire life dismantled, everyone he loves running away from him. And right now, when he's almost given up, right when he's stopped even trying to reconnect with his friends and family, they're the one's realizing they need to go help him for once. We'll see where it goes, but it's consistently not been a story about the futility of sentiment or hope in each other, despite how badly everyone's been burned by it.Absolute Wonder Woman is distilled hopecore. The Absolute Justice one shot had a villain ask, in frustrated tones, how a barbarian woman could swoop out of the sky and seize command of a military simply because the soldiers thought she was worth listening to.Martian Mind****er repairs a broken marriage with metaphysics and self actualization.Identity Crisis is a crass, poorly written exploitation of the horror of rape and the fundamental desire to seek justice and punishment for it. But every single one of the Absolute Books, yes even that one, is heads and shoulders above it in tone and mature execution. IC wallows. Delights in going "see, they're not so good! What if one of them was raped, huh? Then where's your heroics?" The Absolute books do not wallow in the grimness. They do not lavishly portrayal the misery of life, raising it up as the truth of things. They acknowledge it and the heroes challenge it. Despite actually being a universe that explicitly has misery as a fundamental, measurable truth of the universe.
>>154718758>You really don't understand the appeal of the Absolute line. It's post grimdark. It's saying "things are terrible and suck and it's essentially impossible to do good or be good." And then it says "Do it anywaywell said
>>154717370Yup, genuinely can’t wait for the Crossed adaptation
>>154702528He was a poorly thought out strawman, the writers were psychologically protecting really hard.Infinite Crisis even teased that post crisis characters weren't meant to exist.
>>154703419Tell this to wonder woman.
>>154703444>Even if inadvertently SBP might have become the most right "villain" in superhero comics.His partner in crime wanted to create a perfect earth by combining the best bits of every single one.
To be fair to Prime, he had learned fictional comic characters were real, got tied up in their war for existence. Found out his own universe was destroyed off panel. Knows he can’t fit into the new merged earth, so he goes off forever into a void with elderly version of himself, elderly Lois and an Earth aged up baby of evil Earth 3 Luthor and Lois.No available pussy around. But he gets to watch the real universe from afar. That stuff would make me go crazy to follow Alex’s insane plans too.
>>154715402>or who liked the post-Crisis characters Prime was reeeing about for them to side with the writers' narrative.This is really ironic, considering what those writers did to these characters.
>>154705828I think the "what they did to sue" was a two layered Freudian slip.Both the obvious one, and another sign about the real killer being Ray Palmer.
>>154718758Darkseid admires Superman and Batman, plus he still has love in him to know mercy and hope.
