Didn't this make the most in the trilogy?

>>154703412
Tried to be too many things and couldn't decide which one it wanted to commit to

>>154703412
Brett Ratner (mediocre director) half adapting a mediocre classic arc (The Dark Phoenix Saga) and mediocre modern one ("Gifted" from Astonishing X-Men).
>>154703857
It's the worst one.

Everyone is so fucking dumb in this movie.
>Storm: "Nobody needs a cure. Rogue's being a bitch."
>Magneto: "Oh no my most loyal follower lost her powers due to these evil humans. But instead of parading her as the poster child of what this regime plans to do to all of us I think I'll repay her decades of loyalty by immediately stabbing her in the back."

>>154703412
All Jean’s fault, as usual.
Wasted the death of Cyclops, Professor X, and the screentime of 2/3rds of the cast, all to feed Wolverine’s shitty boring waifu.
Well at least she’s hot unlike Nu-Jean when they literally did this a 2nd time.

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>>154703883
>It's the worst one.
And it made the most in the trilogy.

>>154703883
To be fair it was the studio that forced them to include the Gifted arc, not Ratner or the original screenwriters.

>>154703940
>Rogue's being a bitch.
This never happened, and when Rogue does decide to take the cure, nobody judges her for it.

>I'll repay her decades of loyalty by immediately stabbing her in the back
Magneto is a huge backstabbing hypocrite. All three movies beat you over the head with that fact multiple times.

I don't know I just remember something about it didn't feeeel right at the time

I think it was just the balancing act of too many characters

Idk, it was a trend to do an epic trilogy like LOTR at the time, even if you rushed it.
The Matrix did it, Spiderman did it, Pirates of Carribean did it, so this seemed natural..

>>154703412
They swapped their talented gay pedophile director for a journeyman straight pedophile director

>>154704194
Based off the hype of better movies, yes.

>>154703412
x-men, innit?

>>154703412
XDOFP>X2>X-Men>Logan>The Wolverine>X3>Apocalypse>Dark Phoenix>First Class>Origins Wolverine (put Deadpool wherever you want It's basically X-Men adjacent and New mutants)

>>154703877
It’s this. It has like 100 characters.

>>154703940
This is the best characterization of Magneto, he's a backstabbing bitch like this.

>>154707565
>100 characters
>only 2 original X-Men
grim

>>154703940
Parading a powerless human as a tragic victim would make his army of Human-killing Mutants sympathise and pity the humans. He considers them a different species altogether, and he needs his people to do likewise.

The real plothole is why he made his brand new army walk single file into gunfire like it’s WW1 instead of dropping that Bridge he lifted directly on top of the building where the kid was.

>>154708204
Yeah remember the note when Storm lost her powers in the comics, Forge and X-Men instantly went to a quest to find revert it.
Magneto didn't even think for a second if you could just revert it or something and specially because it was caused by Leech.

Trust me the executives at the studios just didn't think enough for the story and it was just so bad it killed the series there.

>>154703412

It failed because it is highly satanic it has mutants aka DEMONS

>>154707489
>Ranking X3 that high
>Ranking First Class that low
sir.

>>154703857
>>154703883
>>154704194
Yes, because it was riding high off the success of the previous two films.

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>>154708204
Magneto’s attack strategy at the end was comedically bad.
Send Juggernaut off to solo the Objective. The X-Men send Kitty down his tunnel to stop him. Will you send support to your most important player? NAAAHH. He’ll send a carrier pigeon if it works far away from your sight.
Don’t get Jean to do anything really. She’s just a bibbling schizo by that point. Have her stand around aurafarming so her teammates can obviously sway her moodswinging period by the end.
Let all your pawns scatter. They don’t need to stick together when spike face can get ignored by Angel and and speedy gonzales can get zapped by Black Lightning.
At this point you’re standing in the middle of a battlefield you waded yourself into. You’ve seen firsthand in Mystique that their syringes can and will oneshot you. The X-Men are trashing your disorganised mooks. No word back from Juggernaut.
The only Mutant protecting you right now is Pyro. He’s strong, and he’s a Zoner. Noone, Mutant or Human, can get near you while he’s at your back. He is the only one keeping you safe in the moshpit.
So of course you let Pyro waddle off to go have a schoolyard fight with the 1 mutant whose powers are his Kryptonite. Don’t even accompany him, just let him do his own thang.
Then you have so much whimsical fun bullying Wolverine again you forget this is the highest stakes battle of your life and the Big Furry Smurf leisurely strolls up behind you and shanks you with the AIDs serum.

For a guy always depicted playing Chess in these films he sure has zero awareness of Defence, Space or Priorities.

>>154708238
Stfu

>>154707489
X2 is the best one.

They lost the Singer because they kept stringing him along about renewing his contract and they also lost all the good writers from the first two movies - Hayter, Harris, and Dougherty - and kept the worst one, Penn.
Also too bad that Singer, Harris, and Dougherty ended up making a overtly-Donner-nostalgic dud with Superman Returns. We got the worst of everything.

>>154703412
They killed off cyclops off camera and made it about Wolverine

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Should X-Women dress up like whores and strippers again in new movies?

>>154710234
If they look like this yes

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>>154703412
Not unique to this movie obviously, but Halle Berry as Storm was such an uninspired casting choice. Like you can tell they were just like "who's a famous black woman?"

>>154708204
The logic that a mutant that has had their powers stolen is just a human MEANS THAT MUTANTS AND HUMANS ARE THE SAME! It also means that every Mutant hit by power-erasing darts should immediately turn around and join the anti-mutant human faction like they just got auto-balanced in Team Fortress. It's pure retardation.

>>154711473
She looked fione and she won an Oscar for Monster's Ball which is why they kept expanding her role in the sequels, she had more clout. The worst thing they did was give her that terrible Whedon-written quip in the first one.

>>154711473
She was only attractive actor AT THE STUDIO, that's the reason why she was catwoman too
same executives are at fault too why the movie sucked anyway
my dick enjoyed it a lot so it was a good thing

The goddamn costumes not being comic accurate for one.

>>154712882
They did comic accurate concepts, they looked awful.

>>154703412
>What did you expect? Yellow spandex? God comics are so stupid and dumb and lame. And we're a movie so we're cool and better unlike that comic book faggotry.

>>154710061
The guys who shit out Superman Returns were the good writers?

>>154703412
Made Jean evil and Rouge a jerk. Murdered Jean and made it about how sad Wolvie was. Killed a main character off screen.

>>154713001
>Made Jean evil
Same as the comics.

>Rouge a jerk
How?

>Murdered Jean and made it about how sad Wolvie was
Same as the comics, but with Cyclops.

>Killed a main character off screen
James Marsden's fault for jumping ship.

>>154712912
Yeahhh...the Wolverine concept does not look good at all.

>>154703412
I never liked the tacticool suits

>>154703412
>"At last, a cure for my chainsaw hands!"

>>154713074
Just because something happened in the comics doesn't mean it'll work in the film. Rouge was a dick to Kitty.

>>154703857
nope, it cost a shitton more than the rest so it made next to nothing

that's why they started in with the "solo" movies - X-Men Origins, which was going to do Magneto and Gambit as well until XMO Wolverine fucking sucked

the adjusted production-only budget then (210 million) is something like 350 million now while the worldwide (459) was only something like 750 million equivalent

part of that high production cost was that they lost the director and one star midway through (to the awful Superman Returns, which just couldn't wait for some reason), but mostly it was because this was a second sequel with a returning ensemble cast, including Halley Berry, Patrick Stewart, Ian McKellen and Hugh Jackman who were more or less indispensable star power, and lots of expensive (and not very good) CGI and practical effects were used throughout, requiring lots of perfect takes, long editing etc

between that and needing to hire a new director (and shift all the shooting schedules around what everybody else was doing due to the delays - which is a lot of people to shift around) costs were way up even over the previous movie, over 50% higher, for a gross that was only marginally higher in real terms

add to that the public perception that it just wasn't a very good movie (because it's really quite bad and even chased internet memes for no reason) and there was no way they were going to continue the series as it stood

so instead they conceived of a cheaper non-ensemble format using only the popular stars, and some newer, cheaper actors like Gambit when he was young and not fat yet, and then that didn't work either so they rebooted into First Class, but people said "where's Wolverine" so they turned that into I don't know what the fuck that timeline's meant to be, the first one is the 1960s but the second is like the 1980s? what the fuck dude

>>154703412
because it insists upon itself, it has no other reason to exist but its own sense of entitlement, like all X-men

>>154712945
Yep, Dougherty followed up Superman Returns by writing and directing Trick 'r Treat which was a really good horror anthology. Anna Paquin liked him enough to get onboard.

>>154703940
Magneto is a catty bitch in these movies, if you haven't noticed

>>154703950
>Jean sinks the original x-men trilogy
>then the new one
It's like poetry

>>154707565
And it's like 90 minutes.
I know modern blockbusters tend to be overly long but this is DTV movie length

>>154713448
>>part of that high production cost was that they lost the director and one star midway through (to the awful Superman Returns, which just couldn't wait for some reason)
https://web.archive.org/web/20040815040621/http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr/film/brief_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1000601138
>Fox has had discussions with Singer to direct "X-Men 3," a sequel to his two successful "X-Men" films, but it had never nailed down that deal, which wasn't part of his overall Fox pact.
He was pissed off at Fox for not immediately giving him an acceptable deal, went to the competition.

>>154712924
>still seething after a joke made 26 years ago
Christ anon

>>154713572
Trick r Treat failed to get anna paquin nude which is a massive disappointment

>>154713287
>Rouge was a dick to Kitty

How? They never even interacted.

>>154711473
She’s the main reason why normies (in other words, most of the population) care about Storm

>>154712912
Post them

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>>154705411
>>154708339
That argument only holds up if a sequel has a strong opening weekend then craters when bad reviews and bad word of mouth get out. Sometimes there's just a vast difference in opinion between reviewers and the general audience, sometimes there's a vast gulf in opinion between the hardcore nerd fandom for a thing and the normie moviegoing audience. The sad fact is normies just liked this movie enough to give it bigger box office than the previous two, though if >>154713448 is correct it had a much higher budget so it doesn't really matter.

IIRC Wolverine Origins' box office was really hurt by a version of the movie with unfinished effects leaking out online, even if people didn't see it themselves, spoilers and the general sentiment that it was bad were hard to avoid. The entire nerd population reeing about Deadpool, a character that normies had at the time very little exposure to, probably didn't harm the movie that much, despite how it remains the main thing Marvel fans complain about to this day.

First Class got good reviews but really underperformed compared with the direction of the box office of the previous 3 movies, so it's not surprising that they retreated back to putting the focus on Huge Jacked Man.

>>154713637
Dark Phoenix was the fourth movie with the new cast, and both reviewers and audiences had started to turn against these movies by the previous movie anyway.

>>154714820
Those are giving me BattleTech sourcebook art vibes.

>>154713662
Even at that length its budget was almost twice the second and nearly three times the first one. They couldn't really afford to have it any longer.

>>154714820
It’s teetering on good/bad

>>154703412
It was overall lower quality and kind of a shittier movie than the first two. Which sucks because that second one was really good.

>>154703412
It didn't.

>>154714820
My kneejerk reaction was ew, but maybe there's potential here

>>154716233
Something about it feels cheaper and less theatrical than the others despite having a higher budget and being the big dramatic final battle

>>154703412
did it doe?

>>154716792
It's incredibly unfocused.

>>154716792
Fox spent too much time fucking around so it was rushed. That's why they hired Brett Ratner, guy's a workman who gets things done.

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>>154703940
>the woman who looks like Halle Berry whose mutant ability is that she is Mother Nature incarnate
>looks at the girl who kills people with a touch and the blue fuzzy Bigfoot and says WE DON'T NEED A CURE

I enjoyed it. I liked Origins Wolverine too (deadpoolfags can suck it). They were the last two X-Men flicks I enjoyed. I stopped caring after they got rid of Famke Janssen as Jean.

>>154714820
These look completely fine

>>154711473
If something Storm is popular because of her

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>>154711473
That's her best role

Is there a single good 3rd episode of a capeshit trilogy ?
>Raimi's spider-man 3
>Xmen 3
>Iron man 3
>Thor 3

>>154719696
sm3 and X3 were both fine

>>154703412
Bryan Singer and his team went to do Superman because WB offered Singer complete creative freedom and a 200mil budget. He asked Fox to wait for them so they could do Supes and X3 back-to-back. They already had a treatment for X3 and could write a script. Tom Rothman, the then CEO of Fox already hated Singer, they had clashed on the productions of X1 and 2 numerous times, went berserk and demanded X3 to be in theaters BEFORE Superman no matter what. Matthew Vaughn was first hired to replace Singer, but backed down because he said the production time wasn't long enough for such a film and didn't believe he or anyone could deliver a good film in the time. Singer came back to X-Men after Rothman had left Fox.

>>154704194
Because people liked X1 and X2.

>>154707489
X2 > X-Men > DOFP > FC > Apo > DP >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> X3

>>154711473
She wasn't the first choice.

>>154719696
Batman Forever is good

>>154719774
lol no

>>154719696
Captain America broke the curse.

>>154713074
The studio wanted to ignore Cyclops completely out of spite. The writers forced the issue and handled it with as much respect as they could with limited access to Marsden. Ratner had his last moments be offscreen to leave it open ended for Cyclops to come back. No body means he's possibly still alive.

>>154703412
Jean's actress herself said she had no clue what was her character's goal in this
And don't forget the unused concept art for crazy shit that Phoenix was supposed to do

>>154703412
It’s two very different storylines (The Cure and Dark Phoenix) not mixed well at all (while not at least try to use the cure on Jean?) while also having too many characters in a movie that’s only 1 hour and 30 minutes, so Wolverine is the only one that has any significant development.

>>154720546
>while not at least try to use the cure on Jean?

They did.

>>154720736
>>154720546
turns out there's no cure for being an asshole

>>154719997
this is absolute crap by the way

first of all these things are all agreed in written contracts ahead of time, so while your release dates may change you are aiming for a nominal release date and to go to a competitor, making a movie that is a direct competitor franchise, is never going to endear you to either of them, but to then demand that your original contract be postponed *for you to return to* so you can do the competitor job first is just the height of stupidity; it was only going to end one way

secondly having already committed to the job - instead of saying no, I've done two of these already and I want that change of franchise, so I'll walk away before production - Singer then sabotaged X3 by not only walking mid-production - when he knew they weren't going to suspend it and wait ffs - but convincing one of the stars to go with him, absolute moron behavior from both of them

you can't just stop making a movie mid-production; people move on, they all have other jobs to go to that they're tied to contractually, and for a director-producer to not recognize that is impossible; he just thought he was so big he would go off and do great and he'd be calling the shots

Singer thought he was Steven Spielberg, but he wasn't even Tony Scott

>>154721383
Singer and Fox didn't have a deal signed yet. They were the ones stringing him along even though it had been over a year since X2 had been released.

>>154714965
>First Class got good reviews but really underperformed compared with the direction of the box office of the previous 3 movies, so it's not surprising that they retreated back to putting the focus on Huge Jacked Man.
I keep seeing this sentiment, but Jackman's movies only did about as well as the early phase MCU solo title movies with characters that weren't as popular as him at the time. If they made a movie that wasn't shit and even halfway entertaining with another well-known X-Men character, they could have potentially pulled similar numbers to his movies, especially since Deadpool showed that he was an even bigger draw than Wolverine.

>>154714965
The state the X-Men are shown in Doomsday is only possible if M-Day was the next major event after Dark Phoenix. Nina would become the Scarlet Witch, and the event would occur around the same time X-Men 1 occurs in the original timeline, this would explain the absence of Legion and Xavier failing to transfer his consciousness into a new body, meaning the one we see is a duplicate from another doomed reality

>>154720064
>Batman Forever is good
Lol no it isn't. It just seems like a masterpiece compared to B&R

>>154720057
Who was?

>>154721853
Janet Jackson, no kidding https://ew.com/janet-jackson-reflects-on-almost-playing-storm-in-x-men-8639366

>>154713760
You might want to check out True Blood

>>154721872
Ok so they WERE just like "who's a famous black woman?"

>>154722099
They needed someone mulatto-looking because that's how Storm looked like. Halle Berry was not famous at the time, she was just another minor actress until Monster's Ball in 2001.

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>>154722174
Monster's Ball more like monster balls

>>154716792
More half assed costumes, half assed characters, Juggernaut seemed like something out of a comedy movie. Majority of Magneto's crew were almost power rangers-tier in their look and how they acted. The cure worked like magic and made the film look cartoonish whenever it appeared. And the plot culminated in a bunch of guys running at each other Braveheart style instead of an actual climax to the film.

>>154722257
Juggernaut's big line was a reference to a youtube redub that was popular at the time, one of those "We have to reference this" things.

>>154719696
GotG Vol 3

>>154722414
Honestly GotG is the perfect trilogy

>>154722647
This

>>154722647
If you have to watch two different movies of another series in-between parts two and three to understand what's going in the third, it's not perfect.

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>>154703857
>mind immediately thinks OP is referring to "how profitable it was"
Profit and quality are two different things, anon. Especially when we're talkin X-Men.

>>154721392
bullshit they didn't, he was on a three picture deal

>>154723748
See >>154713671
In full
>Aug. 06, 2004
>20th Century Fox has terminated its two-year deal with Bryan Singer and his Bad Hat Harry production company -- in the middle of its first year -- in the wake of the director's signing last month with Warner Bros. Pictures to direct a new "Superman" feature. Singer, who has begun working out of "Superman's" production offices at Warners, has not signed an overall deal with Warners, though he is developing a "Logan's Run" remake for the studio as well. Fox has had discussions with Singer to direct "X-Men 3," a sequel to his two successful "X-Men" films, but it had never nailed down that deal, which wasn't part of his overall Fox pact.
He had a deal with them, but it didn't specifically include directing X-Men 3. They chose to be bastards about it, he wouldn't screw them over for no reason if they were giving him everything he wanted.

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Holy jesus.... Lmao!!

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Good scene

>>154722099
Angela Bettis passed on the role as well.

>>154703412
Tbh considering all the films that came after it were way worse I'm a lot more forgiving of Last Stand these days.

>>154704194
Wtf how come not a single X-Men movie ever made a billy??? They were literally the most famous comic book characters in the 1990s and early 2000s.

>>154724990
>all the films that came after it were way worse
ALL of them... ??

>>154724740
yeah that still sounds like he's the shithead, he gave them a story treatment for X3 when he turned in X2, then held out for more money and when they wouldn't give it to him, walked with one star and two screenwriters

guy's an asshole

>>154725745
If they wanted it to happen, they should have paid him. He delivered two hits in a row.

>>154725685
The Wolverine would have been good but the ending ruined it.

The timeline faggotry and incomprehensibly contradictory writing from there out was a fucking disaster. There's not a single post X3 film that isn't a schizophrenic shitstain because of it outside of, again, probably the Deadpool Movies and The Wolverine if you pretend the endscene of "Hey Logan instead of staying here and be happy get pulled back into our incomprehensible bullshit and thus basically invalidate the events of this entire movie as pointless." just didn't fucking happen.