>I'm waitiiiiiing>Dogs mind, not hedgehogs>Patience? Patients are for hospitals>We gotta put the pedal to the metal>When I juice, jam for the air duct>They must have busted him. I'm juicing back>Excuse me while I chunk my breakfast>Be mondo-careful>Gotta juice and loose>Woah, mondo-spooky>Sal's in mondo-trouble and I'm going>Mondo-problemo! I'm stuck>What?! I'm juicin!>I owe you, Bunnie. Gotta juice>Am I cool or what? Juice time>That's too stupid of a move, even for Antoine>This is a stupid question, but... have any ideas, Antoine?>I just juice 'em and reduce 'em>Way, way past cool>Yeah, something is way un-past cool>Sal, I got a past cool idea>I'm supposed to apologize to him for trying to steal my girl?>I don't get it. He knows exactly when I'm juicin>Hang on. I'll give us a little juice>Alright! Jelly and jam time!This isn't Sonic
So is your intention to just spend the next year making threads about how off brand and out of character the early 90s american versions of Sonic are? The demographic for these series is old now. Literally everyone knows that Sonic doesn't act like this. Sonic Adventure is nearly 30 years old. The only people who take the bait are old folks and autists.
It should be.
>>154737356Yeah only STC is the true Sonic
>>154738044Yeah it seems like its the same guy making anti-satam/arachie posts. Its been over 30 years since the show got shitcanned, and almost a decade since Archie ended. Its more pathetic than the people who genuinely liked it not letting go and thats saying something.
>>154738044>>154738160OP is just a tsundere
>Sonic always calls him "Robuttnik">Robotnik always calls him "the hedgehog"It gets old quickly
It's a very far cry from the Sonic games, but I still personally like it.I'll throw your schizo ass a bone and actually raise you this, though: Sonic has a lot of problems, but American Sonic being allowed to go on as long as it did through Archie is very likely a massive reason the series is as much of a canonical infighting clusterfuck as it is now.
>>154738160I'm not even a fan of satam it's just tiresome. If you hate Archie and Satam, everything specific to them has already been banned from the franchise and will never come back. OP is a sore winner.
He's hard to take seriously. Completely one-dimensional/heartless, and voiced by the guy who voiced Pete in Goof Troop a year before
>tomorrow ill invent more PINGAS
>>154738363SoJ's fault for letting it go for as long as it did. They should have had someone consulting the comic from the start.
>>154737356>This isn't SonicThat's as stupid as you, Antoine! This mondo-jam looses and juices, way past cool!
>>154737356>This isn't SonicYes, it is.
Cycle >Create Sonic thread>inevitably attracts fans of the older comics and cartoons >Fans of the videogames and newer comics will say they are out of character>fans of the older comics will say that there was nothing to go off of>fans of the games will whip out ancient documents from 1990 that say in bold letters "ARCHIE AND SATAM ARE WRONG AND BAD" >the argument will spin in circles with neither side actually convincing the other
I guess Robotnik felt like telling Snively that he's heartless just for the sake of doing ithttps://youtu.be/kI-FxbJ8g1k?si=kgrg3Qejm0WtbwA5
>No don't you see, all those old 16 bit games with not a single line of dialogue totally had a defined story and personality .
>>154738386Retard
>>154738503That's every Sonic thread now!
>>154738507He needs to brush his teeth!
>>154738509Using this argument prolongs the debate. It's already known that the 2000s Sonic personality was in the non-US manuals since before Satam was in development. We literally just didn't get them. You can defend Satam without being intellectually dishonest.
>>154738260Its a good way of showing contempt, if you want him calling him bro then watch sonic boom
Honestly, fuck SatAM and Underground
its funny because literally none of the adaptations are in-character. IDW, Sonic Prime, and the movies are all still out of character. Not a single Sonic cartoon has ever actually used his personality from the video games. Sonic X is the only thing that even attempted it and even then that show managed to fuck up Knuckles and Amy beyond recognition
>>154738548fuck YOU
>>154738548Sonic underground came out in fucking 1999 it must have shown here a decade later atleast
>>154738548Agreed the only good pieces of Sonic media are the classic games, AoSTH, The OVA, and STC (the one true religion)
>>154738044>So is your intention to just spend the next year making threads about how off brand and out of character the early 90s american versions of Sonic are?It really is infuriating that this board has so many low-IQ schizo autists that people can just keep tabs of them like this, sharktalefag, the "redditbob" fag admittedly some of his pics are funny tho, the AI "pitch" autist, trixiefag, guy, the "castration cultist" faggot that's im every ADC thread, etc...
>>154737356That’s cool man nobody really cares, old fags that grew up with SATAM will always like it. Unless they’re like Dobson with Mario, they know this isn’t Sonic anymore and they’re ok with that. I don’t get this fake outrage though unless it’s happening in big sonic Communities I’m not seeing anyone going we need the old character's back! People have moved on a long time ago.
>>154738603>trixiefagThis activated my fight or flight response
>>154738609Its just here, I think its just a dedicated autist just like the blossomfag or tootieschizo
>>154738626I don't have schizophrenia
>>154738644holy shit so it is tootieschizo making these threads
>>154737356THAT'S NOOOOO GOOOOD
>>154738644So you admit to being an autist and doing this yourself though? I think just being a massive faggot is worse.
>>154738655I didn't make this one but I agree with it
eh... well, uh we all love a good PINGAS joke... uhh...
>>154738667What did I do to myself? Also I don't have autism.
Here I'll cook up the responses you want>It was a different time>There was poor communication in the 90s>I know it's inaccurate, I like it anyways>I don't even like the videogames, this is a comic and cartoon board>Sega of Japan should have kept their IP on a tighter leash instead of waiting 20 years to suddenly get mad about it
>>154738669>>154738687You are an autistic schizo
>>154738363>It's a very far cry from the Sonic gamesYou mean the Sonic games where nobody speaks and all the only plot is communicated by either a fat man or an echidna laughing at him? Because that's literally all anyone had to go on.
Who the hell is tootieschizo?
>>154737356Well you convinced me anon I’m gonna vote for Sally Acorn in Miss /co/ this year
alright whats a tootie schizodo they have a problem with tootsiepops or something
er why dont we just move on to the cutting of the monitors
>>154738702Considering that there’s a fat man with robots and stuffing forest creatures into said robots. I can see why SATAM did an eco terrorist plot with nothing else to go on.
Sucks to see Rob Paulsen wasted like this
>>154738693I don't have schizophrenia or autism
How dare a TV show based on the localized manual of a japanese game released in 1991 get the characterization wrong
>>154738750Hey look its Bartleby!
>>154738431This is the easy answer. The problem with this is that you still have lots of stuff that is incongruent with the games at the end of the day in past canon.The hard answer is that Sega should've flat out cancelled the comic as soon as Adventure came out and fully commit to pushing that as their new brand. Shit even make a new comic, I don't know.I'm saying all of this as a fan of Archie by the way. I grew up with it, I find it an extremely fascinating comic that I'm glad exists, but as I get older and reflect on this game series I find myself thinking it really should not have gone on as long as it didThen again Sega is a historically fucking retarded company, so what else is new? I'm basically perpetuating everyone's favorite game of how they'd fix shit that's already happened kek
>>154738765Bartleby is actually funny though plus he goes through a character arc unlike "Ant"
>>154738363
>>154738780Is there actually a sonic character called Bartleby cause I only thought of Bluey.
>>154738792>BRAAAAAAAAAAPPPPPPPPPPP
>>154738565Honestly I like X Knux and Amy, they're only really ruined by Chris being a central character.
Did she need to have her body exposed so much?
>>154738920Isn’t that like every charecter.
>>154738920prude
Alright so its clearly someone bored on a mission to rile up satam/archie fags by pointing out that they are not canon accurate in order to shit stir You would probably get more mileage doing this with the Pokemon anime since the people who grew up with that still use the internet
>>154739015yeah try this shit on /a/ and see what happens
>>154739084Unironically anime has a worse track record with adaptations. Satam is not an adaptation of the japanese cnaon, it's an adaptation of the american one. As such it's pretty much on pointAnime adaptations are so fucking terrible people think Sakura is supposed to be a snide bitch
>>154738920Fair's fair. She's no more naked than Sonic or Tails. I do think the vest was a nice touch though.
>the credits in Season 2 are freeze-frames of the respective episodeWhat is this? The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air?https://youtu.be/rail9Z1vGnc?si=-M-VgsptLEhmtMrY
>>154739231the vest actually only makes her seem more naked
>>154739084>Ghost in the shell fans only now realizing that the source material was light hearted and silly unlike the adaptation we all grew up venerating
>>154739277I know, it's great
>>154737356I can hear it in his voice right now.
>>154738990>>154739008>>154739231She's not even wearing gloves.
>>154738565>then that show managed to fuck up Knuckles Wait which version? Because Sonic and Knuckles version and adventure version are pretty wildly different. Going back and replaying the genesis version is a trip, why does nobody use Knuckles whoop laugh anymore? It’s goddamn hilarious. He’s just so into hurting sonic and laughs at him all the time, and it never stops being funny the new versions have him be noble or obsessed with honor when he is constantly laying traps and sucker punching sonic before whooping like a chaos gremlin.
>>154738772Honestly, I'm with this, the world of Archie Reboot should have come a lot soon, probably would have avoided all the headaches with Penders and the like with renewed contracts or something.
>>154739452He doesn't chuckle and Sonic doesn't show off. No I don't care that their actions in the games disprove this immediately, the song lyrics are more canon than what you see in the games.
>>154739390What a slut
>>154739534>This makes Zoomers shit there pants with rage.
>>154737356"not muh" autism is the most autistic of autisms.
>>154739588Honestly makes me feel nothing. It's just funny how the cartoon does all the things we now know Sonic doesn't like. They even have him swimming in one episode.
>>154739588Good morning, sir.
>>154739663Wow you know a lot about it, you must be a big fan.
>>154739680I feel like somewhere in my post you got the implication that I hate the show
>>154739693All I said was you must be a big fan?
>sideways cap
>>154739663>we now knowSpeak for yourself. The only Sonic I am familiar with is the one that was presented to North Americans in the 90s. And I'm thankful for that.
>>154739710Guess I was wrong then
>>154739716Now do one with no cap
SatAM is one of the least favorite cartoons of the 90s, period
>>154739734Nta but you were right, that's something people only say as a lazy way to try and own someone and you should have called him out for being a faggot.
>>154739869Only because it had a second season that just completely shat on the show for literally no reason. I'm going to say it, one season of Satam Dulcy is worse than three seasons of Chris.
>>154739869>source: a fart i sniffed
>>154739710>>154739680Buddy got caught feeling salty
>>154739869If you were born in the 80s, it's likely one of your most favorites. Its tone is more similar with the cartoons early millennials grew up with. If you were a Catdog/Spongebob/Hey Arnold/Ed Edd n Eddy fag then watching SatAM would probably cause you to have ree fits and convulsions.
>>154739909Nah. Season 1 is pretty shit too
>>154739869Nah there’s much worse like Toonsylvania, I mean SATAM is no Megaman cartoon but it’s fine.
>premieres 12 months before
>>154739869Satam is genuinely boring as fuck. Both AOSTH and Underground have more engaging action sequences. Even the plot is pretty poor. The humor is dreadful. Sonic is the most annoying character and his only value is having a character to imagine vicariously fucking Sally. I kind of like the over the top 90s crap they forced into his dialogue though. It's so dated that it kind of gives him more character. I wouldn't mind if the games did that but only Sonic Adventure and Adventure 2 try it and that was clearly a localization thing to harken back to satam in a way. All that said, the show has some kind of charm to it. I can't really describe it. This really is only the kind of show that can exist when a franchise is unregulated. Like Pokemon having scenes with inflatable breasts. Everything we get now is either sanitized nostalgia slop like the movies. or so canon compliant that it can't do anything interesting like IDW
>>154739933That's nice.
>>154740036As much as I prefer Satam's world and characters, I feel like Underground perfected this Sonic's dialogue style. It just feels sharper and more refined.
>>154740063You can tell Underground was made after they got some character notes because Sonic is the only hedgehog in that show with no love interest and they made sure to point out that the only thing he fears is water. Same writers as Satam but with character mandates. They even mandated that Sonic must have six quills on his head and you can see how many shots try to force that to work with the mohawk character model.
Underground feels like it was made for really, really young children. I liked the Saturday morning show at the time because I was at the right age for it (11-12 years old). Sonic Underground feels like it's aimed more towards 5-7 year olds by comparison. The Pokemon kiddies can keep it.
It's sad how Iizuka dedicated his life to the Sonic franchise for much longer than Naka and Oshima did
>>154740337you talk as if satam is any darker than pokemon. the show doesn't even feature death
>>154740365No idea, I never saw Pokemon. I was like, 79 when that show came out.
>>154740368Pokemon is relatively lighthearted, but its darkest episodes are definitely harsher than anything Satam ever did. Roboticization was as dark as it got for Satam and that's only dark if you intentionally chew on the concept in a cinemasins matter.
>>154740362Yeah, sad for the fans. Iizuka was single handed responsible for the IP turning to shit. And because Sega is so ass-backwards, they would sooner fold the entire franchise than fire his hack ass.
>>154740386Sonic wasn't "dark", but I did enjoy that the characters could at times speak more naturally instead of like silly cartoon characters. Very similar to the cartoons that Disney was doing at the time. But I agree the cartoon was still overall very silly and trying to make children laugh.
I never got the whole "Satam is dark" thing when the 2000s games have people dying all over the place and the 2020s games jump straight back to thatI guess it must mean dark for an early 90s cartoon
>>154740428It was right in line for an early 90s cartoon, both tonally and quality wise. I think it gets is reputation for being dark from younger viewers who grew up with brightly colored Nickelodeon cartoons or anime for young kids.
>the only human besides Robotnik and Snively is a wizard who appears in 1 episodehttps://youtu.be/Y2cUQEq22Oo?feature=shared
>>154740078Well yeah it was around SA1 when Sega suddenly remembered they let the americans play in the pen without any supervision.
>>154740428I feel like obsessing over a cartoon having "dark" elements is purely a western thing and probably specifically american. We all know what kids cartoons are like in japan, they would make some adult shows in america blush, but because america becomes a bigger prude over time, from BOTH sides of the political fence and hilariously for different reasons that lead to similar outcomes, american cartoons lose so many teeth over the years that its mouth is geriatric.
>>154737356Westoids will defend this slop
>>154740614Having more adult elements in a cartoon does tend to make cartoons more tolerable when you become an adult.
Sally should get her own series where she fucks human men.
I like how the Wikipedia page of the Shadow game mentions that it has a cult following
>>154740428It was considered “dark” because it aired with Adventures which was a wacky slap stick show. They also were able to talk about death by saying robotized. Not a perfect 1 for 1 but it worked. It’s cool if you don’t like the show and prefer the more sega centric sonic, completely understandable. I don’t see the point in just saying man it’s bad, it’s shit I shit on it so it’s shit! Just move on dude it’s what a 30 year old cartoon at this point, nobody else is making these threads but to obviously bash on SATAM and Archie. Just be genuine and talk about it the new comics you prefer.
>>154740666Not just that but when it isn't just for shock value trash, even just a splash of what we now have to call "adult elements" adds just enough depth to make the story or characters feel like they mean something.
>>154738702>bro didnt read the manuals>bro cant read enciroental storytelling The characters could always talk.
>>154740715If that piece of shit has any following it would have to be a "cult".
>>154740741You didn't like the gameplay?
>>154740715>>154740741>>154740764It's really telling that just about every game between 3K and Colors gets described as having a "cult following."
>>154740614The show came out in the 90s, was made by Americans and had the biggest following in America. It's usually the American audience that likes the darker themes while Japan wanted sonic to be more cutesyThere is nothing "puritan" about any of this you just wanted to use a buzzword you heard from discord trannies. And most of the censorship is coming from the left not both sides
>>154738702The idea they had nothing to go off of doesnt add up when you actually take into account how much canon material AoStH actually incorporates.They got the jist of Tails' backstory but got stuff like his interest in tech missing and no sign of the tornado. They had Sonic's relationship eith christmas and Egan being an evil Santa.They had the chaos emeralds and special stages.And yet they got everything else completely different in ways that have to be deliberate. No Green Hill?No Death Egg?Oil Ocean is an easy set up for an episode.Etc etc
>>154740802>while Japan wanted sonic to be more cutesyAt least the 8 people from Japan who actually played Sonic.
>>154738702>classic sonic games had no story meme in 2026They literally had entire dialogues in the manuals Americans specifically don't know this I guess
>>154738803This is Bartleby. He's a character in Sonic Underground.
>>154740835This brown retard is seething about Americans again
Japanese Sonic is gay and only pedophiles like it.
>>154740785The brown faggot in the thread doesn't know what "cult following" means. He also misused "puritan" and keeps crying about AmericaYet another reason we need strong borders
>>154739110>As such it's pretty much on pointIts not though. Americans didnt even respect their own made up west canon.The Bongs actually did and based their comic off the Kintobor canon while using the games as an actual basis for stories.Western media couldn't even do that much. They made their oen fake canon and then didnt even follow that fake canon in any of the adaptations.This attitude is the same attitude Hollywood execs have now. They just see IP as an excuse to write their own meme thing instead.
>>154740839Oh ok never watched it.
>If we don't find your friend, can I be your sidekick?>What? Shut up. What kind of question is that?>I didn't mean anything by it. I just thought it might be better to work for you than Eggman>Hello? I'm sitting right here, you know>Orbot, no matter what happens, I won't fail again. I will save Tails>It's stuff like that that makes me want to be your sidekick. Tails is lucky>Seriously. I'm right here. I can still hear youFunnier than any SatAM moment
>>154740802Japan likes cute but it also likes cool which is why america could never come up with Sonic on its own to begin with.
>>154737356Don't care. My Sonic is good, your Sonic is shit.Those are the rules, sorry.
>>154740975This is unironically the only truth that matters
>>154739929Im watching it as someone who grew up with Underground and being told Underground was a shitty failed redo of SatAMI legit think Underground is just better in every way.This shit is so boring.Sonic has no real dynamic with any of the characters. It feels like the only character im general that was thought out was Sally.People always went on about how intimidating Robotnik was but I legit think he is lame compared to Underground Robotnik.Sonic Manic and Sonia make a way better core cast.Legit im convinced the only reason people shilled this show was because Sally was their waifu.
>>154740857Cope
>>154741310I feel the same way, except the other way around. Underground was unwatchable, but I was also 79 years old when it came out so I'd have to have hit myself in the head with a hammer over and over to get my IQ low enough to stomach it at the time.
>>154741310Underground was more fun and felt more lived in with all its characters but also more rushed and the songs were terrible
>>154740036>so canon compliant that it can't do anything interesting like IDWOnly rebootArchiefags say this.
>>154737356Can we agree that "real Sonic" probably just doesnt talk?
>the guy who directed this episode is the same guy who directed all the AOSTH episodeshttps://youtu.be/UmsjfxlXqWE?si=jOW_uY-HGCzTiW6J
>>154741434Thats classic sonic in the games
>>154740362Sad? How? He's goated. Sonic's IRL uncle Chuck.
>the Shadow game from 2005 is the only piece of Sonic media to have Sean Schemmel (voice of Goku since 1999)
>>154740947Still Nick Jr slop writing though
>>154741622Yeah, pretty much. If you like Sonic Prime you have no right bashing other Preschool shows like Pooch Patrol or Bluey. It's the same shit.
>>154741350Underground was how I got into Sonic along with the genesis games and eventually the adventure and advance games.Its offbrand kids slop but its way more engaging and entertaining and the epsiodes have tighter writing.Everything that happens in any epsiode of SatAM feels like conflict resolution filler that doesnt matter.Rarely does any epsiode have a proper core central premise around which it is written. It just feels like things happening for the sake of things happening.Underground never has this issue. Every epsiode has a central concept. Its obvious to me SatAM was trying to be more serialized but the writers didnt know how to do that.>>154741393I have a soft spot for the songs even though most arent worth a listen today. Idk I feel like insert songs are a very "sonic-y" thing to have.>>154741452He talked on those.
>>154740815Trying to squeeze real zones into the cartoon feels like struggling to tick the checkboxes. A writer is going to try harder to make entertaining plots than go>"LOOK!! IT'S EMERALD HILL! JUST LIKE THE GAAAAAAAAAME"I mean, unless you're Ian Flynn.
>>154741743You like what you liked as a child, same as anyone else that is an adult that still likes a kiddy thing. That's respectable.
>Just kidding, Sal. The kiss wasn't that great>Oh really?>Really>I suppose you can do betterWhat is that mouth animation?
>>154742048Satam was a little choppy but I still liked its animation overall
>>154741743Insert songs are a fine idea, I just don't like any of them with their meh vocals and trash lyrics. But yeah Underground had a world with more going on, Satam was decent enough at making use of its limited cast and setting but it basically felt like platforming game with a hub and few NPCs until season 2 opened things up a bit more.
>HURRY, SONIC. DARK GAIA IS READY TO DO SOMETHING>HANG TIGHT, CHIP
>>154742279Sometimes I think about replaying then I remember the QTE spam and werehog slop and the way the story is only hype in the first cutscene and the final battle and my need to replay it dies immediately
>>154741988A premise like Sonic where he runs all over the place and goes to all kinds of places shouldn't struggle to at least use the ideas in the zones. Ian's issue is he relies on fanswrvice as a substance substitute in a mainline story.I expect spinoffs to reference the main material at least to some capacity. Just in a way that makes sense.>>154742024It always just comes off as this thing people just slightly older than me use as a cope because they dont wanna admit they grew up with slop. No, o do not like things just because I grew up with it. A lot of things I grew up with I look back at recognizing how mediocre they were.
>>154742048Sonic's animations here eerily looks like SA1nic animation and its freaking me out.
>>154742089I dont get "platforming game" from it at all.Feels more like its just generic spy/heist scenario world really.
>>154737356Let me guess, OP. You think this is Sonic?https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zmcEuocbSMAPH0Cdu0neR7qOYrOad6dB_PXEnPRM24Y/edit?tab=t.0
>Main characters live in a mainly wooden village in a forest>Villain literally rules the world and has a vast robotic armySoooooo why doesn't Robotnik just napalm all that shit? Like Sonic's fast sure but he can't take out like a whole airforce especially if they're high enough.
>>154738920Weird how only Sonamy shippers bring this up.
>>154742675Satam is literally just the ewoks vs the empire in Starwars.
>>154739869What's your bottom five?
>>154740947Isn't that just Sonic Boom, or meta era writing?
>>154742675I think that was the plot of several episodes.Robotnik just lives in a deserted city.There are plenty of bigger and better questions than the standard fare of "What do they eat?", such as where is everyone? Why is there a (tech) wizard who only exists for one episode? What were the scrolls of power about? Why turn uranium into power rings?It's a mess of questions.Then season two tried to make some kind of canon plot which sort of just screwed with it more. Dulcy also suddenly exists I think? And is the most obnoxious thing ever.
https://youtu.be/hYxlqTpZ-24?si=8U96Qdgj7AjlYQSv
>>154743010https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9sdsclDwas
>>154742468No I just mean in terms of cast density. Like Spyro 1 compared to 2 and 3.
>>154742995>"What do they eat?"
>>154743010>hold right to win
>>154743196>transphobiagross
>>154742675Robotnik is just really dumb
>>154743308I think the HRT has you hallucinating, sister
>I can't watch this anymore. You got no game, kid. Let me help you>You? But you're our sworn enemy>Nonetheless, in situations this dire, the bro code trumps the enemy thing. Take my advice, you'll never land a girl by acting like someone else. Just be confident in your own pelt
>>154740815>how much canon material AoStH actually incorporates.yeah like the blue motionless rings or 5 Chaos Emeralds or everyone's favorite Sonic character, floating talking amoeba with glasses.
>>154739869
>>154737356guys why did sonic act differently in american-made media that wasn't translating a japanese script 30 years ago? i-i'm scared
>>154743885>ancient twitter screenshot postingI still don't care about other people's opinions
>>154743984so why should they care about yours
