Will it ever get the recognition it deserves?
>>154749818Should have made the main characters monkeys
Probably not. The two main protags really hold the show back.
>>154749818Should've given everyone wrenches.
>>154749818>no cute girlsThat's a huge issue, especially if your male characters are the opposite of fujobait
>Meanwhile in the good timeline.I personally think Monkey Wrench is overrated. Zeurel gets way too much attention and you people need to stop throwing money at him. Three seasons and a movie is more than enough.
>>1547499553 seasons?This hasn't even passed 5 episodes yet
>>154749818>called monkey wrench>literally no monkeys whatsoever
>>154749818It is getting exactly and precisely the recognition it deserves.
>>154749818No. If e-celebs giving you shout outs drums up 0 interest, you have a flop. Goose is the most embarrassing example of being a shill >>154749980Reading comprehension, anon. Read slower.
>>154749818Theres just no interest outside of a very specific demo
>>154749818Yes, when John K becomes famous for inspiring my invention of Cosmic Theology so people become cool with Ren-looking designs.
>>154750029>Le reading comprehension If I knew how to read I wouldn't be on this board
>>154749980Didn't socialize much at recess I take it? Anon's posing a make believe scenario where the creator made the series about actual monkeys and wrenches, got support earlier, became popular and is now on par with TADC.
>>154749818MC is literally wearing a onesie
>>154750086Say that to my face bitch
>>154749818they look like the Angry Beavers lol
>>154750111Either grow out the beard or get the neck lift, Lucas.
>>154749980To anyone else who wants to com at me for this commentI double dog dare you to confront me I served 6 years in the MarinesI've seen shit that would make your dick shrivel I have been around this mortal coil more times than you could ever imagine I've fucked more people than you could ever dream ofI make more money that you will ever make in your pathetic life time.So watch your fucking tone next time you wanna mess with me
>>154749818It's getting the recognition it deserves. None. Actually I've never watched it nor do I plan to and understand that there are some fans but I had to make this post. If anything my indifference is consistent with my joke.
>>154749818No
>>154749818Idk why Joshua Palmer isn't more well-known in the animation community. Since he animated TADC's credits and everything.
>>154749818It has the exact amount of fame it deserves. Making your two main characters ugly AND annoying is a recipe for disaster. Kara or the human cyborg chick should have been the main characters from the get-go.
>>154750152For fucks sake, post the navy seal pasta and go
>>154751076What the fuck is a pasta?
>>154749818>no monkeys in itpointless.
>>154749818Needs more cute. The deranged teenage girl audience does not diversify
>>154751470Theres nothing to even attract teenage girls, the leads are fujo repellent
>>154750152> MarinesPfft, pussy. Go hump a mermaid. Call me when you become a SWAT member who actually sees action. And post your sniper rifle next time.
>>154749818>>154749830>>154749848Any criticism about the show is bullshit. All Zeurel needs is a publisher.If Monkey Wrench was posted on GLITCH then everyone would watch it.
>>154751533No they wouldn't, the targeted audience for GLTICH is not the same for MW.
>>154749830Should've made the main characters interesting and likable.
>>154751533>Any criticism about the show is bullshitWrong. Most of it is entirely valid and objectively correct.>>154751533>If Monkey Wrench was posted on GLITCH then everyone would watch itYeah nah that's also wrong and pic related proves it. Its just not an appealing show for a vast majority of people.
>>154749830>>154751556Could have had both of these if Zeural wasn't such a fucking dumbass whose unwilling to let go of Shrike and Beebs. Could have had a cool and badass (or cute and fuckable) human protagonist.
>>154751533Monkey Wrench just isn't something that has appeal to most zoomers and alohas
>>154749818>the recognition it deservesAlready does. Its small niche audience it what this deserves. i love Zeurel's work, but MW isn't witten for general audiences but for himself. And don't get me wrong, self indulgence is ok for writing, but you need to consider there's an audience you need to appeal to. Look at the main characters, they would do better as bg characters, maybe occasionally comic relief characters at much.
>>154749848>>154751556>>154751628the protags are likable. I suspect a bigger issue is that first pilot episode.
>>154749830>>154749850>>154749862>>154749995>>154751470
>>154752344Rename the character as Monkey Wrench and it would be perfevt.
>>154752322>the protags are likable>the faggot who talks like the most stereotypical mexico parody ándale arriba arriba>likableLmao.
>le COOL and spunky human womanMogged hard by the female side characters AND literal bg characters, if this was the big epic reveal to get people hooked than this show deserves its fate
>>154751607>pic related proves it - posts Digital CircusIt proves that if that dogshit wasn't posted on GLITCH's channel then it would die all alone in a hole where it belongs? Indeed.
>>154751470Teenage girls need to be locked away until they are old enough to be married off. Not destroying world culture.
>>154751470Guys clearly aren't watching it either
>>154749818It already gets way, way more than it deserves.
I just see it as a show that wants to be what it wants.EP. 4's animation was on another playing field..
>>154752322Beebs is nothing. There is nothing about him. He is boring as fuck.Shrike is fucking annoying and insufferable. He causes every problem in the show and has to be tard wrangled by Beebs. They are shit. You liking them means you have shit tastes.
>>154753611>Kara appears on screen>show becomes five times betterShe deserves to the protag of a good show.
>>154753693>Meanwhile Digital Circus, Hazbin Hotel, Steven Universe, Adventure Time, etc.It's the lack of marketing, nothing else.
>>154749818The recognition it currently has is the recognition it deserves
>>154751533>If Monkey Wrench was posted on GLITCH then everyone would watch it.Sure it would get more watchers, but still would be far more unpopular than everything else GLITCH has going on.The vibe of the show isn't quite a GLITCH worthy show, it's also supremely mediocre apart from the animation, still they let Zeurel borrow some TADC characters for a promotional special to pump up Monkey Wrentch... to no success.
>>154751533Didn't glitch reject it like 5 times?
I wish more people knew about it so they could laugh at how few people cared about it but that would be a self defeating paradox.
>>154751533>>154753754Glitch turned this show down five times. Gooseworx baited funny bunny shippers with a shout-out tweet and fans didn't care about the show, only about the ship. This isn't counting the other million shout outs Goose tried. Dana Terrace gave a shout-out, so did Vinesauce. At what point is it lack of marketing or it being a bland show? There's been dozens of pilots that had minimal marketing that gain larger fandoms because the concept is good. 5 episodes in and the show keeps flopping? People know it's there, but they don't care.
>>154749818I've said this in previous threads and I'll say it again, the major reasons that the show did not succeed are the long episodes with terrible pacing where 90% of the current run time is fucking filler, it has taken 5 episodes to finally reach the point where we are finally getting to the actual main plot the show will be about.And worst of all, the main characters, they don't work, Shrike is a annoying unfunny spazz and the other guy which I forgot the name is utterly bland.Zeurel should have used Black Ace as his main character, a cybernetic human with a devil trigger that makes him go berserk, he fits so well in the setting too since humans are basically being hunted down.
>>154753953>Glitch turned this show down five times.I keep hearing this, but is there a source?
>>154749818obligatory repost
>>154753693its a the straight man and loose canon dynamic.
>>154754156>preview of episode 4 in february 2024>July 2026 and we are only up to episode 5It's so over.
>>154753997Palmer himself confirmed this in his YouTube comments section. I didn't save the screencap at the time but it does exist. If being buddies with the creator of the biggest indie hit AND working on the Last Act doesn't cause Glitch to work with you on your own pitch, your idea is DOA. >>154754156You just know he feels anger when someone less e-famous gets an indie fandom
>>154753754>Meanwhile *insert shows orders of magnitude better*
>>154754174Usualy the straight man has more going for him and the loose canon is surprisingly competent at his role despite his erratic behaviour.This is more of a spazztard and tard wrangler dynamic.
>>154754193That makes this tweet so much funnier
>>154754156>>154754263goddamn someone's bitter
>>154753981sorry, indie shows aren’t allowed to have cool human male protagonists, only women/fags/furshit are allowed
>>154749818
>human male protag on the run from the space govt>despite being hunted, he still helps others when he can because said space govt is super corrupt>the cat chick keeps trying to collect his bounty but fails every time, ends up falling for himthere you go zeurel I fixed your show
>>154754364The cat chick is indian coded, if you like her you are brown
>>154749818looks like Osmosis Jones
>>154749818Its seriously lacking in the MONKEY department.
>>154749818When that walking cinnamon stick gets a decent voice actor and the bad girls show up in every ep as reluctant crewmates.
>>154755639Amazing how that looks a thousand times better.
The earthworm Jim character has an extremely annoying voice. I couldn’t watch beyond the pilot.
>>15474981874 people replied, so people recognize it enough. I personally think it's because a certain subset of people expect it to have a gorillion views right away.
>>154749818>beard>paired with another maleI don't think that is how the term works...
>>154755639Still better than Chimptopia.
its getting exactly the recognition it deserves
>>154756851Not too much, but not too little? That's a great balance!
>>154755639>>154749818fuckI can see how it could had been betterwas it a last minute decision to make them look less monkey/ape like?
>>154756631"a certain subset of people" aka Zeurel
>>154757150Don't think I don't know what you're doing, Mr. Aussie Government Money.
>>154755639>Turn leads into monkeys>Show's appeal boosts by 60%Everytime
>>154753981Black Ace is literally the coolest thing Zeurel has ever created and it's amazing that he doesn't capitalize on him.
they need to lead into the fangirl contingency more, that's where the real money is
>>154753708I think this is the issue this show has.the first few episodes are like a saturday morning cartoon.then episode 5 happens, there's tons of interesting lore, there's stakes, shit gets real, and interesting right away. nobody is going to slog through 5 episodes of WACKY HIJINKS to get to this lore. Episode 5 fucking rules, it's some of the best shit I've seen in indie animation and deserves to be on adult swim.... but 5 episodes in is brutal. How can you expect anyone to wait around for that
>>154757916He has become very entrenched into the "woke" mindset (for lack of a better term) over the past decade.It wouldn't surprise me that he doesn't want to use Black Ace for fearing he might be too problematic among his leftwing-minded peers, not as a good guy anyway but maybe he might use him as a bad guy?
>>154752344great..... more redheaded token girls
>>154758146>the first few episodes are like a saturday morning cartoon.Episode 2 is kinda grim with the rock people genocide thing that everyone in the show both takes seriously but then kinda forget about as the show progresses to other lore stuff.Tone in this show is all over the place.
>>154758337>Episode 2 is kinda grim with the rock people genocide thingNo?? The show basically plays it off as a joke.95% of everything up to episode 5 is trash filler content, imagine doing filler content before you hook people in with the main plot of the show.Zeurel allegedly took writing and storyboarding classes (as mentioned in one of his streams 2 years ago), he should consider asking for a refund.
>Space King episode 3 has more views than all of Monkey Wrench combinedImagine getting RAPED and GAPED by a bonglander and his malnourished boyservant.
>>154758580>raped>gapedDon't you have an autistic powerleveling general to be on?
>>154750794He's good when working for someone else's project, he is a talented animator, but that's it, his skills do not translate into a good storywriter or producer.
>>154758580Funny thing is, despite it's humour and setting, Space King also as a following of yaoi addicted fangirls, Zeurel even failed to get that, his failure is impressive.
>>154754207>meme image>bot-tier reply>considers those piles of turds betterGo be underage somewhere else.
>>154755639>simple design change>instantly improves itI feel so fucking bad for Zeurel, I usually go to bad for him but fuck man he missed out big time.
>>154758580I was a bit hesitant to watch it at first because of the over the top edgy videos they made in the past, but they've really turned me around on them. Making a genuine show for the boys, by the boys. Excited to see the next episodes.
>>154758745>>154755639Tsch. With gen-Zombies such as you LOT no wonder the animation industry is in the dumps. YOU SHALLOW CORNUCOPIA OF SHIT.YOU LITERAL REEING MONKEYS. HERE'S YOUR BANANA, MONKEEEHHH. Would it kill a monkey to stop loving bananas and start loving oranges instead? Remember when the 90s and 2000s had plenty of variety?Where did I put that fucking post. Where did I put that goddamn post explaining how to make a successful show in the MINDS OF GEN-ZOMBIES.AH HERE IT IS:HOW TO MAKE A SUCCCESSFUL INDIE SHOW AFTER in 2010s and 2020s and possibly 2030s cause gen-Z never grows out of their phase.https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/154610271/https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/154610271/https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/154610271/
>cool/interesting nonhuman characters>token human girlThe human plot was the one thing this show had going for it and he ruins it with one of the shittiest tropes of modern animation, my disinterest is now disdain
>>154758795>Tsch. With gen-Zombies such as you LOT no wonder the animation industry is in the dumps.Millennials blaming Zoomers for something it's their fault, you have completed your transformation into Boomerhood.
>>154758808>cool/interesting nonhuman charactersFucking where???There is not a single endearing character in this show so far, none, zilch, nada.
>>154758880Stop fucking lying, gen-Z. You're the one who enjoyed Steven Universe and Adventure Time and later on went to enjoy Hazbin Hotel and Digital Circus together with the gen-alphas.Generational gaps stopped being 20 years, they're now 10 years.
>>154758923>You're the one who enjoyed Steven Universe and Adventure TimeNo words, you are living outside of reality.
>>154758923You speak as if Zoomers had any other alternative other than the diarrhea Millennials sharted all over every media.
>Have a fun antagonist design>Make her gay>Hardly ever use herGee I wonder what happened
>>154759247Thats a her?
>>154759252Get off 4chan, Lorax.
>>154752344>human with a tailDOESN'T. COUNT.
>>154759247SEX WITH TYNEEN
>>154758795>Millennials take over the industry>It turns to shit>"Damn the zoomers!"
>>154749818>Will it ever get the recognition it deserves?It's currently being erased from collective memory, so it's getting there!
>>154749818>show is called shittyass>its neither shit or asswhat the fumble?!?
>>154749980 Agreed. Only the first 5 are consistently good. The pacing takes a nose dive after the first banana flinging arc and the quality gets really inconsistent in the following seasons. 2 is a specially mixed bag. It's like he didn't think about the direction of the show through. But monkebros still pretend it's the greatest masterpiece of this generation and throw waves of money at him for more when it's pretty clear Zeurel is already done with the concept.The movie was good though, I actually cried in the post credits scene so fuck you.
>>154750152pasta sauce plz?
>>154762068What the fuck are you talking about?
>>154750152>for anyone else who wants to cum at me*cums at you*Sorry UwU *giggles* I couldn't contain myself :3 Furgib, plez ? T~T
>>154759281GAY SEX WITH GAY REPTILE
>>154749818what is it about this shoe that draws such levels of shitposting and derision on /co/? have the critiques are bad and the others are the most subjective statements but shouted with such vigour>the main characters are annoying>pacing is badi believe the opposite but you get called a shill for bringing that up. no other show i can think of has this level of shitflinging
>>154762272STFU shill
>>154750111>>154750152>>154749980>>154762185
>>154762359I'm not reading your essay lmao
>>154758723>Digital CircusLikable cast of characters asidethe god tier cutsy clussy protag.>Hazbin HotelStellar backgrounds.Good music.Colorful main castand cutsy protag.>Steven UniverseLikable cast with iconic designs.Cozy setting.Cute protag.>Adventure Time Likable main duo going in crazy adventures.Have you noticed a pattern yet or do I have to spell it out for you?
>>154762535Basically he called you autistic
>>154749862There are cute girls, they just aren't the focus or the protagonists.
>>154753708>muh waifubait
>>154762577Go find your local bridge and contemplate the view. Now
Zeural was practically checking boxing on how TO NOT make your show more appealing to certain audiences by:1. Too many furry characters and turning Kara into a joke villain over time. Kara can keep the ears but give her more of slight appearance of a Sabertooth cat and shorter puffy tail. Also give her a slight outline of having six breasts on her stomach/chest so she can peak interest from fans that like buff females and lewding her more. Give her 4 eyes as well because the characters that we see frequently should look more alien then simplified OC's.2. Tone down the juvenile behavior of the characters as it gets annoying hearing and seeing stupid teenagers on screen.3. Give more appealing designs to Shrike and Beebs. Give more clues that Beebs is a alien hybrid with visual different colored eyes and a dog like about and at least name drop Shrike's alien half parentage.Literally bare minimum stuff that wouldn't be that hard to do at the beginning of the series.
>>154763685>Also give her a slight outline of having six breasts on her stomach/chest so she can peak interest from fans that like buff females and lewding her more.>"Extremely niche fetish stuff would make this show popular!!!!"Opinion discarded, not reading the rest of your verbal diarrhea
>>154749818You know it's bad when no one is drawing Monkey Wrench smutt in the drawthreads
not even with gooseworx shilling this show will anyone watch it. she's just doing it because he's her friend.
>>154762272Sir, the main characters aren't just annoying but also bland.They commit the worst sin possible of being boring.You may have your opinion, but you are a drop of piss in the ocean at this point because everyone else does find them annoying, ugly or as I said lame and probably gay.I pity zeruel, he became fixated on a lame duck character and refused to change it to his own detriment. He is talented but as long as the spectre of this shitty character looks over him he will not succed.I'm afraid he may eventually move on from this to another project then do Shrike 2.0 and fail again unable to being self aware of his own destructive tendencies. Such is the fate of creatives with a pet character.
>>154764489If only his pet character was Black Ace, then he might have had a chance.
>>154764550It's always the lame duck with these people, they always write that one character wherever they go.
>>154758138They are a level of ugly that even scares away the fujoshis who are into ugly bastards
>>154749818This is probably one of the few times a consultant is NEEDED
>>154764607And focus testing, I can't believe I'm defending focus testing.
>>154754364Glitch wouldn't want this since the MC's a man.
>>154758923>Stop fucking lying, gen-Z. You're the one who enjoyed Steven Universe and Adventure Time and later on went to enjoy Hazbin Hotel and Digital Circus together with the gen-alphas.Quit blaming all zoomers for shit the girls and gays do.
>>154764794It's not just girls and gays, some retards would fap to anything. Have you forgotten all the off model AT softcore porn people spam here?
>>154754282>cool human male protagonistsSo not Monkey Wrench?
>>154764819>It's not just girls and gaysI know. Autists too.>some retards would fap to anythingYou can fap to shit you never watch.
>>154764775give kara a bigger role so you have male and female co-protagonists, same as murder drones
>>154762272The shilling he makes other famous personalities do and his bitterness towards his own lack of success among the famous animation celeb clique is what puts a target on his back. >>154764489>SirI don't even need to say it>>154764607>Monkey's paw curls>Daft Pina is hired
>>154753981Is that the series he based that weird text to speech video on?I remember that being my favorite of his and he seems to have privated the video.
>>154758337Sonic SATAM also has genocide as a plotpoint, and that show is the blueprint for Saturday morning cartoons.
>>154750152I hope you ate the extra spicy red crayons so you get the eternal Taco Hell shits.
>>154764775>>154764940Murder Drones mogs Monkey Wrench so hard it's not even funny
>>154764775imagine the reaction on twitter when glitch finally makes their first show with a male protagonist
>>154754237And even the tard wrangler is annoying, with his permanently depressed attitude. He needs to just off himself or something. The main characters should not be the reason you dislike a show.
>>154765871I mean, N is already the male co-protagonist of his show and is the face of the show in a majority of the marketing. And people love him. So that's kind of already happened.
>>154764775Even if they were trying to be shameless waifubait, I can't imagine the show improving much.
>>154765949This is unironically better, waifufagging and goonbait aside
>>154765949make the redhead girl a guy and introduce him in episode 1 instead of fucking around with filler, now you have an actual show
>>154758923>Stop fucking lying, gen-Z. You're the one who enjoyed Steven Universe and Adventure Timechronologically nonsensical take.
>>154765871Lackadaisy is kinda this?
>>154765940N is so beloved he's the first MD character getting a nendoroid figure.i feel Japan in particular likes N, meanwhile J is the fav overseas (and Glitch is capitalizing on that too).
>>154766670No one cares about furfaggotry
>>154766754>No one cares about furfaggotrylmao, kek, lol. You're using internet right now, don't be this naïve.
>>154766670Isn't that a trio?
>>154766801Yeah, and in said trio the sole girl is the least important.
>>154766785In that anon defense I forgot that got greenlit? Too lazy to check to be honest.Furfags are noisy and annoying but they aren't a majority, I may even argue that while your average furry will go into debt to pay a commission while under the influence of drugs most of the furfag spending power is stretched on a few profesional furfags that actually make bank in hyper autistic fields of expertise like that one pilot or those 5 surgeons.Their spending power is massive but their numbers aren't that big if you pay attention.
>>154759247How do you even know she's gay? She's never done anything to prove it. It's all just word of God to generate interest in people who want to see lesbians. We all know they'll do and say anything to generate interest in this shitshow.
>>154766904I think it was revealed on Twitter or something.The lamest form of reveal ever but I do remember a thread about it during the episode release.
>>154749818Even when it was just another standalone one off with the rest of his stuff I thought these guys were ugly and annoyingNo clue why this was what he chose to dedicate a decade to. I though the robot cowboys were WAY cooler
>>154755639I would watch it if it had these designs
>>154755639Beebs shirt would say banana instead of beard if he was a primate. Absolute missed opportunity there, damn it!
>>154749818Why the fuck did zeurel give that guy a shirt that says "BEARD" ??????? Why in the world did he hire an actor who can't do a hispanic accent to play a hispanic character??? direction is slow. art is pretty alright. writing is dogshit. what the fuck does he want from us? t. sponsored by whiteclaw
>>154755639Gotta admit, there is a severe lack of monkey protagonists in the indie scene
>>154750794>>154758592the story is written between him and his wife, not all responsibility nor merit goes to him. Although, he did do some big solo-projects before so that can be looked into, but i haven't seen those so i can't comment.Here some of them.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBKwVVZZS_ghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ln9XobU6oc
>>154766930prove it?Also think is lame if he did dumbledoree, but then it's at least kinda implied with her obsession with the cat gal assassin.
>>154765949>baby face slopI swear too god.I'm on the side of making more sexy women characters, but i hate how this looks like cheap cutsie modern anime. Considering how the style is kinda inspired on old-future-space shit and 90's cartoons, couldn't we go for something like that?
>>154765815MD and MW are not for the same audience.
>>154769309Who IS Money Wrench for?? Zeurel doesn't seem to know
>>154749830>>154755639Making them actual monkeys wouldn't fix the likeability problem.
>>154769309>>154769688MD has an audience. An audience Liam has built over years before MD was a thing. Heck, MD is basically Internecion Cube coded. MW is written to appeal Zeurel only. So any hypothetical audience for MW has to match Zeurel's hyperspecific interests.
>>154765949That just looks like the girl from Gaslight District who isn't that popular either
>>154749818is that a Osmosis Jones ripoff?
>>154770274people aren't into mel?damn I figured mel was pretty much just gooner bait from the top down with her tightly bandaged lil titties and wacky manic dream girl behaviour, she's a gay redhead as well, what more could pathetic internet fucks want in a main character?
>>154770344She's not gay, she had a boyfriend before they cement him in the pilot for finding out she's a living human. The "gay" shit comes from her getting a nosebleed from reading a porno mag which happens to have a bit titty lady on the front, as all porno mags do. You faggots are retarded.
>>154770371She's bi then>The "gay" shit comes from her getting a nosebleed from reading a porno mag which happens to have a bit titty lady on the frontYou're fooling yourself if you think there's any ambiguity to it, consider the people that make the show and the target audience.
>>154749818>"We need the TADC audience" ass character design
>>154753831>The vibe of the show isn't quite a GLITCH worthy show, it's also supremely mediocre apart from the animationanon, every Glitch show is mediocre.
>>154766310No it’s not aside, you don’t know how to think in a truly desexualized way.
>>154757331..thought that was the boner version just bc i see that one 20 times more often
>>154771505As compared to what?
>>154749818This show's character designs range from repulsive to bland, it's no surprise the cat in an astronaut suit is one of the most popular characters.
>>154749818but it did. zero, which is exactly the recognition it deserves
>>154749818FREEEEZAAAAAAAA!!!!
>>154766386>>154766386>>154766386
>>154754156>>154754263rude
>>154749818Episode 6 when?
>>154754263gets even funnier since goose tried to shill MK a couple of times
>>154758600>Space King also as a following of yaoi addicted fangirlshow?there's quite literally nothing appealing for the female audience
>>154768826>Why the fuck did zeurel give that guy a shirt that says "BEARD" ????Should have been "BEAR"
Why would you name your MC Shrike and not make him a cool alien bird or something?
Just one more promotion from Goose and I'm sure that Monkey Wrench will go viral!
>>154772500Any and I mean ANY show with a majority male cast will attract fujos South Park Eddsworld Metalocalypse (pretty sure they made an episode about yaoi fans)
>>154772500I'm just waiting for the episode where Chestnut and Hatemonger finally kiss
>>154773679Zuerel could get Tom Fucking Cruise to cameo and the views would still decline
>>154773693it's not the "majority male" cast that's the problem.the not-space-marines are bulky as fuck retards that hate women and spout middle-school dick jokes.it's the complete antithesis of fujos tall, korean popstar, sensitive aesthetic they usually strive for.i mean, i'm a straight man that kind sort-of likes hazbin, so i'm not one to talk for someone liking something despite not being the target audience, but still.
>>154768826Neckbeard reference.I like that late 00s self deprecating humor in this time of gay designs that show no flaws or willingness to confront adversity.
>>154773722>Gets Obama and Leonardo Decaprio to cameo>Views top out at just over 20k after a year.
>>154755639>le they-should-look-like-monkeys pic that gets posted everytime this thread gets made>gets more (you)s than usual>also this thread againwhat's more to say man that hasn't been said in previous threads, I already said my fill baka
>>154771505>every Glitch show is mediocre.and yet MW is down bellow those.
>>154774055Honestly, more has been said already, so yeah i think anons actually had more to discuss about this topic.
>>154749818No. It looks ugly.
>>154754263I wonder how much he's seething after seeing how much money The Last Act made
>>154758600>Space King also as a following of yaoi addicted fangirlsTrue
>>154771270His heckin quirky over-the-top personality is pretty annoying and I preferred his more laid back personality that he had in episode 1, but there are aspects to him that I enjoy.>him and Dolion are the only characters so far shown with hands that have 5 digits, hinting towards his connection to Humanity>clearly has ulterior motives involving the Terran subplot>difficult to determine if he's straight up evil or has benevolent motives>enjoys teasing the hell out of Kara which is cuteMy theory is that he is either>some sort of A.I created by Humanity at its peak and is trying to undo the damage caused by the singularity thing>is an actual living Human who is trapped on Earth or some other planet at the epicenter of the blast zone using some advanced hologram to gain allies and resources that can be uses to free himI think either of those would be pretty cool.
>>154754263God he's become a jealous bitter asshole, it seems.
>>154774697dude, he WORKED on the Last Act
>>154775240A cashier at McDonalds makes the same amount of money and gets the same amount of recognition regardless of whether or not McDonalds is doing well financially or not. Why would him working on The Last Act prevent him from being jealous of its success?
>>154775616Yeah but now he can say proudly he worked on it, a McShittie cashier won't say he's proud of it the same way.Buuuuuuut... yeah, him working on the Last Act isn't that much but Gosse having mercy for Zeurel's constant failure, so Goose gave him a chance, throw him a bone to dig and feel proud of.
>>154754263Imagine being him. He's spent 70k on every episode. Multiple famous creators give you free promotion. Views keep falling flat. Meanwhile, that black magical girl indie project (created by someone less internet famous) is just a series of polished animatics but have more views and a proper fandom to boot. What's worse is that studios have shown interest in greenlighting the show. I would kill to see the inside of his mind over it
>>154776501lol people don’t ACTUALLY enjoy projects like “a witch who’s black,” they just indulge it to earn social points by “being a good person that’s inclusive”At best you have young artists who are enthusiastic for it but wish that it was THEIR black witch project that got made (works like the lottery, and whoever gets to do it is treated almost the same)While Zeurel, clearly, is going for a concept that wouldn’t exist without him and can’t be simulated by anyone else. Being irreplaceable is something that truly pays off
>>154776501Well yeah, magical girls have a large audience. Problem is, Monkey Wrench has no appeal to anyone who doesn't have the same exact taste as Zeruel. Fuck, I get its his passion project but he needs to take it out back and give it the old yeller treatment and admit it's a failure no one wants.
>>154776553> Monkey Wrench has no appeal to anyone who doesn't have the same exact taste as Zeruel. This is your strawman for anyone who makes anything that a digital horde of leftoids didn’t dictate every detail of. But those hordes constantly bitch about every little thing, they don’t have much love for the art of their preferred projects, they just get off on having a bit of power in the community.
>>154774954Love both shows and they have a great style, but saddly the storytelling of Monkey Wrench is not as good or fun as the one in Spaceking.
>>154776550>Being irreplaceable is something that truly pays offTell that to Zeurel every time he complains online over his lack of views on his series.
>>154776704>call some actual argument a strawman>counterpoint it with the most bullshit strawman fueled by personal sour and some uncalled political shit on topMan, i hope you die, unironically. So much people would be better with you genuinely dead. And this platform would be a little bit better.
>>154777081All of these words are just dressing for resentment that I still have an individual personality instead of a gay leftist Collectivist one.>>154777005I have a Christian outlook of faith in God’s plan for your artistic ambitions that may not take place in the current day.
>>154777119>I have a Christian outlookAh that explain the child molesting. Carry on.
>>154777139And you consider interacting with natural personalities “pedophilia” because you gave up on yours in childhood, illl explain that as much as is necessary You fail to realize you’re unfuckable
>>154777201And you fail to stop assuming shit, meanwhile people calling you a pedophile isn't an assumption but you confessing it on you now archived blog. Get it, you have never been welcomed in any place, you belong nowhere, you aren't here for us, we all are just forced to tolerate your retarded ass as you write incoherent shit and draw the worst shit ever.Back to the topic. Zeurel is talented, but he needs to understand when your dream doesn't work as you dreamt of. Criticism isn't a personal attack but a key to improvement, and refusing it is just refusing to grow up as artist and person. Zeurel has the tools to improve, but he keeps trying to make his dream happens, and keep failing. He's his actual worst enemy.
>>154749818It's getting more recognition than it deserves. Disgusting furry tranny slop, literally.
>>154777319You write like a tool and a cog in the machine and a dysgenic jew.You're literally telling Zeurel "start appealing to zoomers and what's popular right now" instead of setting trends like it's normal and acceptable since the 90s.And oh please pull that disgusting "It's no longer the 90s anymore, you gotta change and kneel to the crowd".Then let's all just make Beluga cartoons on TikTok and get it over with since that's what kids watch these days. Let's all make G-Mod videos.
>>154777349>Brown wagecuck faggot who will never fuck a white woman.
>>154777319All of this is the same identity death rhetoric Chris-Chan absorbed as enormous hateful rants to himself. You keep spewing it, I’ll keep pointing it out.Especially the final line> He's his actual worst enemy.You cry “strawman” just to try to trick my brain into thinking the same as your Collective.
>>154777396>You're literally telling Zeurel "start appealing to zoomers and what's popular right now"i never said this, the fuck are you now hallucinating... Take meds now. And removing your shit ass name doesn't work when you are still the same imbecile.
>>154777435Again, meds, now.Your words are worthless.
>>154777447Why are you replying for somebody else? Are you insane or just a bitch who thinks I can't spot when you change writing styles like your autism can't?>And removing your shit ass name doesn't work when you are still the same imbecile.Oh you'll be surprised.
>>154777417Why are you providing us with your life story, anon? No one asked.
>>154777396Not even zoomers, he can try to appeal to millennials, alphas, or even boomers he NEEDS a target demographic that isn't himself.
>>154776891Space King gives you all of its lore and plot up front, which lends itself to being episodic and written on the fly. Money Wrench gives you nothing but red herrings hinting at lore and story that doesn't actually exist. The show wants to pretend it's building up to something amd everything's planned out, but it's not. The show is being written on the fly and every episode raises more questions than it answers because the world building wasn't done in advance. I don't hate Monkey Wrench, but it clearly lacks direction and takes the wrong lessons from its inspirations. The 'running out of pronouns' joke was funny, at least.
>>154777349>>154777472Why are you providing us with your life story, anon? No one asked.
>>154777489>parrotingOh dear, the wagie browncel is melting down. As expected of a subhuman who made worshipping a tranny furry show with no appeal or merit his entire personality.
>>154777484This is my biggest problem with the show, besides its bad protagonists. Monkey Wrench would have been fucking great if got right to the Terran shit from the from episode one with Shrike and Beebs just being the catalyst for the story to start in earnest before being removed entirely.
>>154777473I think all of those groups are faggots. The only people I want to court are people who break the norm and succeed at what they do.When you’re making something “normies want,” you’re taking inspiration from things like Hawk Tuah, Love Island, and racial identity discourse. If that doesn’t make you want to give up creativity entirely, you were never a creator in the first place.
>>154777484>The show wants to pretend it's building up to something amd everything's planned out, but it's not. The show is being written on the flyhow do you know that?
>>154776501>>154776550>>154776553i like both of shows
>>154776501>He's spent 70k on every episode.No he didn't, the stat Zeurel showed with the cost for each episode considered the hours he spent working on the episodes, which is the bulk of the cost, this is inaccurate since he does this in his free time, meaning including his workhours to the cost is stupid, since it's not a cost at all.
>>154749818Making them repulsive looking apes IMHo was the issue, at the time this came out we were oversaturated with ugly quirky comedy shit, and with the effective collapse of the industry it's been a struggle to lever it out of the fucking hole to the point where we could have shows about something other than whacky retard humor even to this day.
>>154749818I barely made it through the first episode. Idk what they were going for with the one protag but it didn't work.
>>154773941Look man, I get self deprecating humor. But when it's a permanent piece on a main character instead of a one-scene gag, it debases that character and those with whom he's closely associated. Make him drink some haughty IPA, or engage in a single bit of le millennial "older generation" humor. Make it subtle. Jet Black! Who ever heard of that guy? I guess what I'm saying is that there are so many turn offs which tell the viewer not to root for the character when those flaws are so prevalent. You can make a generationally-based faulted character, but make them cool dude. Bulldog isn't cool. He's unflatteringly fat. He wears a "BEARD" shirt. He can't voice act to save his life. I'm simply out. Ask yourself this - "What can this character 'pull off' without losing their cool factor?"/mu/fags will dog on Rick Rubin, but he was doing something right... Unfortunately Zeurel doesn't have "it."
>>154779812No, it's the budget, he states that it'd be 100k if he wasn't animating. These episodes still have dozens of people involved in animation
>>154776501>>154779812>>154784413it's frankly not THAT much considering it's full-length and fully animated + colored + VAi don't know or care who this guy is or was prior to MW, but bitching and moaning that his boring old show isn't raking in money is such a huge faux pas i'd never recommend this show to anyone out of principle
>>154777484this.even tho i'm still watching the eps as they come out, i instinctively tune out all those poor ass attempts at establishing "lore" because they are so half-assed it actively detracts from the space adventure part of the fun.it's basically pic related>>154778917having watched a bajillion indie pitch/shows, it's always the same when a creator finally makes a show about their OC from when they were 10.it's 20 years of "cool backstory details" piled up on top of one another that were thought up independently with no rhyme or reason or internal consistency by a child and actively contradict each other and are actually not as cool as the creator himself thinks.this usually compounds with the fact that you can't make a show out of these cool moments, so you have to buildup to each one individually.the problem is that to make the character complete, you would need 320 episodes and 26 seasons
