>>154787946
Why are they even pretending that this is a continuation of TAS? It's just bad X-Men fanfiction now.

>>154787946
>90s X-men
>Except for the morrison costumes
>And Surge
Look I don't want to complain about Surge because I like her but really?

>>154789673
Did Surge ever join those evil teams? It feels really weird to see her show up there, specially when her introduction in the comics was really good.

>>154787946
>season 3
I had no idea there was a season one, I thought it was coming soon or something, not gonna watch it tho, but this surprises me.

>>154789673
We've seen Dust, Omega kid, and a few of the other 2000s character sprinkled in already.

>>154789696
No. but neither did Domino and she was part of the brohood in WaTX. Cartoons will often change up the roster. That's not really what annoys me.

>>154789673
I mean, its primarily 2000s x-men so far.

>>154787946
Ten gets you twenty Surge is reduced to a Mystique disguise given that a famous X-Men story once had her disguise herself with tech as an electricity themed mutant.

Also, how long until we get Destiny? Though part of me wants her to show up in bed with Azreal and go the route Mystique only married a German Baron and had Nightcrawler because Destiny left her for a man.

>>154787946
Hopefully Surge breaks good and we finally get a Surge action figure.

>>154787946
The series keeps using adaptations of early 2000's X-Men comics. These were some of the worse X-Men stories ever told.

The episode where the danger room gains sentience and becomes a humanoid robot named Danger is straight from the dog shit early 2000's comics.
This show was made by people who dont know jack shit about x-men.
Danger repels Cyclops beams back at him and he gets smoked by them (something he should be immune to). This show is such ass its unbelievable. The only people who are applauding it are the people who dont remember the complete and utter frustration entering into the 2000's x-men comics and hating everything they did.
The level of gaslighting and fake fans pretending it was good back then is fucking exhausting or paid bots. Not entirely sure.

>>154787946
How much you wanna be it will be Graydon Creed winning the presidency in 2000 plus William Stryker gets a position in his administration and they adapt God Loves, Man Kills.

>>154787946
Why is this season doing Apocalypse again? Did they not beat him enough in the original? In fact why is it yet another complicated time travel plot at all?

>>154789882
I'm aware. That's my problem.

>>154790929
I don't care at least Danger was hot as fuck

>>154787946
The Brotherhood is based, I wouldnt mind an adaptation that uses an amalgamation of Magneto's and Mystique's brotherhood from the comics. And potentially Juggernaut and Sabretooth from Toad's brotherhood.
>Blob
Based
>Pyro
Based
>Avalanche
Based
>Toad
Based
>Surge
Stupid inclusion some random OC from 2004 that ultimately contributed to the character bloat in x-men comics and lead into the M Day story to remove all the bulk and soft reset the character bulk. The amount of dog shit they put in this show is unreal.
Woulda been nicer to see Destiny or Sauron.
There's actually a lengthy list of completely forgettable Brotherhood members that woulda been better than this dog shit.
Thornn, Masque, Phantazia, Burner, Lifter, Peeper, Shocker, Slither, Astra, Vanisher, Alpha the Ultimate Mutant, Lorelei, Unus, Mastermind.
The most glaring omissions are obviously Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch. Which for 50+ years of continuity were Magnetos kids. But the early 2000's dog shit changed that, and made Polaris his kid. So we're probably not getting them in the brotherhood instead some shit ,2000 retcon versions. Fuck rename the show X-Men '04 for fuck sake.

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>>154791159
Youre a weird coomer, but even if thats what you care about, the 90's had definitively peak babe designs. That obviously wont see the light of day because the shows more focused on 2005 than 1997.

>>154789673
They just used the 97 to trick people into tuning in. They tried quickly to move on from the 90s in the first season

>>154791229
Gambit's outfit without the trench coat is just odd as fuck

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>>154791161
The peak brotherhood team would be a combination of Magneto's 1960's team, Mystique's 1980's team, and Toad's 1990's team.
>Magneto
>Mystique
>Destiny
>Pyro
>Avalanche
>Blob
>Toad
>Juggernaut
>Sabretooth
>Quicksilver
>Scarlet Witch
That amalgamation would basically be the optimal roster, and would make for an amazing adaptation.

As a side note, just since we're on the topic. Magneto's 1970's Brotherhood was absolute dog shit. Thats why I excluded it entirely. There's some other former members they could dive into like Mastermind but he's a better fit with Hellfire and Sauron is a better fit with Sinister or the Savage Land.

If they really really really wanted to get creative with some more obscure brotherhood characters they could have used the mid 90's version of brotherhood. They coulda used Dark Beast's brotherhood members like Random. That woulda been fucking cool.

>>154791458
Could you really trust Sabertooth?

>>154787946
Hey wait a minute thats freedom force

>>154791159
Hope they'll do more with her, because that neutered adaption of her Astonishing arc was pretty pointless.

>>154791537
Sabretooth and Juggernaut alliance to the brotherhood would basically be something like the enemies of my enemies friends are my friends.
Teaming with Magneto would be an ends to justify a means. "I want to kill Wolverine, but he always surrounds himself with his powerful mutant buddies the X-Men, so I need to join this team to achieve my own goal. Same for Juggernaut but with Xavier instead of Wolverine.

>>154789673
They have fucking Schism era characters in the show. Again it's not a TAS continuation at this point it's just some redditors X-Men fanfic.

>>154789696
No, Surge is basically the definition of the jerk with a heart of gold type and is pretty morally good in a way a lot of other characters aren't. Her joining a villain team would be horrifically OOC.

>>154791768
Looks more like brotherhood, why would freedom force fight sentinels.
Freedom forced was a government team that enforced the mutant registration act.
Also toad wasnt on freedom force, though I know that doesnt matter with adaptions as they make their own creative decisions all the time.
X-Factor will always be the better government team. They even began compelling villains like sabretooth and mystique to join in the 90s by using shock collars or threats of jail. If your into suicide squad/ thunderbolt type groups I think X factor can fill those voids.

>>154790929
It's made by people whose main exposure to the X-Men is the 2000s and early 2010s stuff which would be fine if this was a show based on that era and not a show based on the '90s era that also adapted earlier stories. Unlike a lot of current /co/ I like 2000s Morrison and pre-Schism X-Men but I don't want to see it in a show that's supposed to be a '90s nostalgia thing.

The cut off for including anything should have been Eve of Destruction. Anything that came after that in the comics should be a no go. If you wanted to adapt 2000s X-Men just do a WatXM revival instead.

>>154791984
I dislike morrison's run, but i like plenty of the other stuff.

And yeah, id rather get an original show if we're going to do 00s stuff, or a wataxm sequel.

>so called 90s show
>it isn't actually the 90s
Tale as old as the 90s

>>154791161
>The most glaring omissions are obviously Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch. Which for 50+ years of continuity were Magnetos kids. But the early 2000's dog shit changed that, and made Polaris his kid. So we're probably not getting them in the brotherhood
They weren't villains in their few appearances in the actual 90s cartoon, why the hell would you want them turned into villains and put on a Brotherhood lineup? Use actual villains instead of turning Wanda and Pietro into villains for a cartoon and acting like their first five comic appearances are all that matters.

>>154792078
Surge isnt a villain either, but yeah, wanda and pietro are good guys, and 97 implies they're on the avengers already

>>154791984
No offense.
But the 2000's marked a massive decline in x-men comic sales in comparison to the 90's. Due to the quality and just crap stories and retcons.
Then the 2010s was like the era marvel wanted the xmen to be shit so fox would stop making movies so the license would revert back to marvel studios.
Theres literally zero reason to use anything from 2000 up until about Hickman. Granted people hate Krakoa, but its when marvel started putting money back into x comics.

>>154789550
I mean, TAS was all but tied up. There was no reason to go back to it short of exploiting nostalgia.

>>154792078
Maybe because theyre Magnetos kids and were members of the original brotherhood.
And this is an xmen continity not an avengers one.
Hurrdurr

>>154789550
TAS was already bad X-men fanfiction.

>>154792117
2000-2018 was the dark age of x comics.
It really shouldnt be used.
Hickman's X-Men isnt a bad launching point, unfortunately it came out during the woke multimedia era and suffers from it a bit. If you can look around the woke bits that were peppered in, its actually good.

>>154792038
By Morrison I mean the general era. I like the mutants as a culture thing and I love that generation of kids more than the ones that came before and after them. But none of it belongs in a show that is supposed to be built entirely around '90s nostalgia. Eve of Destruction was the send off to Lobdell on the X-Men so that's the point where the '90s effectively ends for me.

>>154792117
>>154792211
You don't have to reply to yourself if you're going to spout idiocy. Especially if that idiocy is being used to advocate for fucking Cuckoa.

>>154791984
>>154792038
>>154792117
Why are we acting like they have to do it 1 for 1 and not what TAS was doing which was just reimaginings of past stories?
That said I knew we were all fucked when they started playing with the costumes, that was the biggest charm about TAS was how static the team was, and whatever was the latest look for the time was how they made everyone appear be it the Shair and Eric the Red still in there 80s style outfits or the latest threads for X-Factor. When they just started playing around doing whatever it became clear the nostalgia dream was dead.

2000-2005 was so bad for x-men comics they had to do the M Day story line to erase all the dog shit history and characters they flooded xmen with.

>>154787946
S2 was mid as fuck but good to see Toad, Pyro and Avalanche back,

>>154787946
I tried watching the first season of X-Men 97 but I was turned down by how every attack feels weightless and ineffectual, kinda like WWE but lamer, because in wrestling at least the wins and losses are well demarcated per showing.
Does it get any better later on?

>>154792157
>I don't care about ""Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch", I care about "Magneto's kids"
Why are you people like this?

Again, these characters already appeared in actual 90s episodes and weren't villains, Pietro was on the X-Factor team. In the actual 60s comics where they were in the Brotherhood they were teenagers forced onto the team by Magneto, they weren't really evil and wanted to get out. But you don't care about any of that, you probably never read any of that and think they were actual willing villains because "hur dur start with Claremont", so you want grown adult Wanda and Pietro to voluntarily do a heel turn and join a villain group just because you think they should be eternally stuck in a status quo Lee and Kirby had them move past within a year.

>>154792299
No, it won't improve for you at all, everyone who has given the show an 8.5+ is actually just a dumb shill. Something like Solo Leveling will be more your speed though, you'd be better served leaving this thread and never coming back.

>>154792324
The interpersonal relationships is what made compelling storylines.
A character is far more interesting when having to face moral dilemmas such as blood vs water or moral good vs family ties.
A large part of xmen is navigating issues and topics that would create divisions in households. Like politics or social issues.
Clearly your a comicbook fan and not an xmen fan.

>>154792324
Tell me youre an mcu die hard without telling me youre an mcu die hard.
>I need mah wand and quicksilver to be good guys because I love the MCU!
Get lost Avengers boy, this is an x thread.

>>154791458
>Quicksilver
>Scarlet Witch
Why do you want Avengers characters in an X-Men show?

>>154792256
People forget this, why the hell would you adapt 00-05 is beyond me.

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>>154790929
>>154791159
>>154791784
You know, judging that 97 Danger didn't end up killing one of the students and wasn't a slave of Xavier shows she's planned on joining the X-Men with no awkward rationale about it. I also feel Marvel is trying to reintroduce Danger in a more positive light because a wider audience is getting to know her now that she's in a video game thanks to Arcsys.

>>154792505
Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch are actually apart of the X-Men catalogue and brand.
Thats why Fox had licensing rights to those names and Marvel had to use names like Wanda and Pietro instead when they debuted in the MCU.
People absolutely hate this fact.

>>154792434
That's a lot of word salad to try and justify your not being able to get over a status quo the twins left behind in the comics in 1965 because, and I'm going to say this again and hope it sinks in this time, THEY WEREN'T EVIL. There is no good reason for this cartoon, or the comics, to be trying to put these characters back onto a villain team. They aren't a "household" with Magneto, he didn't raise them, they were stuck in the Brotherhood with him for a few months, and were grown adults when he shows up claiming to be their father, and the 90s cartoon basically adapted that part but without the prior Brotherhood history. Magneto's not a beloved family member that they'd feel obliged to turn heel and join his terrorist cell for.

>Clearly your a comicbook fan and not an xmen fan.
Why the hell would anyone still be an X-Men fan in 2026? How many car crashes would you need to have been in?

>>154792472
They already appeared in the 90s cartoon and weren't villains you retarded casual. They haven't been villains in the comics since 1965 and even then they were never really evil. You're just telling everyone you're a cartoon casual for Evolution and WATXM.

>>154792505
The damage that mcu has had on comics and peoples expectations can never be corrected. Yikes.

>>154792584
The brotherhood isnt evil.
Magneto is the good guy.
You dont understand team dynamics or the social/ political views of the chatacters at odds in xmen.
Its more often than not more complex than this guy good this guy bad.
We get it, you love the mcu.
You hate that Scarlet Witch & Quicksilver debuted in X-Men comics.
You hate their 50+ year history.
You hate X-Men Evolution had Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver apart of the brotherhood.
You just love the mcu so much that you just need all your favorite mcu happy friends together all the time in one big happy team because the mcu is so precious to you. Fuck the mcu and smooth brain man children it fostered.

>>154787946
>surge
no one cares about this character. nevermind the fact that mystique has led the brotherhood before. without magneto these mooks don't really have a center.

if disney wants more female mutants there are plenty to choose from new mutants, or x-factor, or x-force, or generation x. no one cares about surge, her power set is very simple and if her origin story were compelling we would know it already

>>154792540
>Danger
Sentinels are cooler.

I'm gonna need a Sentinel team.

>>154792725
Sentinels aren't meant to join the X-Men.

>>154787946
Alolan Invincible?

>>154792505
As you can see from the thread, they metaphorically want to pee on these characters to mark their territory. Wanda and Pietro's earliest appearances were in X-Men comics as members of the Brotherhood, so that's all they're allowed to ever be to these anons, and none of the rest of their history matters to them because it happened in books that didn't have an X on the cover.

By the same logic, Wolverine would be forever a Hulk character, Sabretooth would be an Iron Fist character, Mystique and Deathbird would be Carol's villains and nothing more.

>>154792564
Fox and Disney had worked out a shared rights deal on Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch that allowed both companies to use both characters, and the MCU used the names "Quicksilver" and "Scarlet Witch" in movie credits, but just never worked them into being said out loud in any of the movies. I can't remember the Fox movies ever actually using the name "Quicksilver" in the movies either, just in the credits.

The MCU eventually took the fact that "Scarlet Witch" had never been said out loud and worked it into the story by making it a title she gets during WandaVision, but if Disney were allowed to use those names in the credits they'd obviously have been allowed to use them in the scripts if they'd wanted to.

>>154792802
The names Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch were never used until after the Disney Fox merger was tabled. It was added after. The mere fact a deal even needed to be worked out, means Fox held the rights because they were X brand owned and apart of that licensing catelog. Thats also why they couldnt be mutants or related to magneto in the mcu. Theyre essentially OCs to naviagte licensing. Theyre butchered shit renditions of the characters

>>154792697
>The brotherhood isnt evil.
>Magneto is the good guy.
Thanks for outing yourself as a schizo so we can just disregard everything you say as the gibberings of a delusional madman. It's not "complex", they're just bad guys.

>You hate that Scarlet Witch & Quicksilver debuted in X-Men comics.
For five issues. And then they moved on, which you clearly hate, since you want to lock them in the Brotherhood forever.

>You hate their 50+ year history.
Says the guy who wants to just focus on year 1 and ignore years 2-49. If you didn't have double standards you'd have no standards at all.

>You hate X-Men Evolution had Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver apart of the brotherhood.
If you cared about the comics, you'd also care about that cartoon portraying them as willing members of the Brotherhood and willing villains who never leave and are still there even in the future timeline. But you don't care about that, because it's what you actually want.

Why are people so scared of having characters just be bad guys?

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>>154792847
Anon, they literally use those names in the movie credits. They could have used the names in the script if they'd wanted to. There's no way they would have been allowed to use those names in the credits if they didn't have the right to do so.

>Theyre butchered shit renditions of the characters
>better take on Quicksilver's personality than Fox
>generally Avengers-accurate Scarlet Witch and adaptation of her main comics romance before they adapt the Benis stuff and ruin her
>but it's all 100% bad because I don't care about them as characters, I only care about "Magneto's mutant kids who are in the Brotherhood" and that's the only important thing
This really is just about marking territory with you people isn't it?

>>154792934
What the hell is that

>>154792861
We're literally talking about a cartoon adaptation of a comic.
Evolution is a more accurate comparable.
Dude we get it you love the mcu, go watch it on disney plus and leave X shit alone.

>>154792878
Try to imagine how you'd feel if people were arguing Rogue should be a villain and a member of the Brotherhood because that's what she was in her earliest appearances, and she was never allowed to grow or change. Imagine after decades of her being a heroine, there were still people vocally insisting that she needed to be a villain on the Brotherhood, and every adaptation should be doing this as well, and never letting her move past it.

>>154792938
Nothing what youre saying is accurate and based in reality.
Its just what people who are reddit obsessed with the mcu perpetuate so they can have their "everyones here smash bros" avengers fantasies realized in every continuity because theyre annoying.

>>154792968
Rogue as a villain is honestly a refreshing take on the character at this point

>>154792968
Its a cartoon adaptation, it can creatively do whatever it wants.
But if it was smart it would utilize the most popular characters in their most popular renditions or appearances.

I hate how avenger fanboys always try to stealth into x threads and say the most avenger shit possible and expect it to fly.

>>154792949
>Evolution is a more accurate comparable.
In other words, the twins being "Magneto's mutant kids" is more important to you than accurate characterization, since an adaptation treating them as willing villains who never change doesn't even strike you as the glaring inaccuracy to the source material that it is.

Stop demanding these characters be villains in your cartoons and I'll gladly leave you alone.

>>154792256
>>154792538
You're swallowing Quesada propaganda and he did it in the manner he did it because he was pissed about Morrison going back to DC.

>>154793016
The interpersonal relationships between characters is an integral part of xmen story telling.
Mystique & Nightcrawler.
Mystique & Rogue.
Xavier & Juggernaut
Xavier & Magneto's history as friends.
Colossus & Magik vs Mikhail
Gambit & Morrows history
Wolverine and Sabretooths history
Magneto Quicksilver & Scarlet
Storm& Forge
Jean & Cyclops
Jean & Wolverine
Cyclops & Havok
Havok & Cyclops
Pryor & Cyclops
Cable & Cyclops
The list goes on and on and on
I know your ass dont read x comics.

I can't believe there's an unironic retarded Quesada shill ITT. Jesus Christ, what has the world come to?

>>154793016
>He doesnt read comics with complex relationship dynamics and only wants Captain America vs Evil Wizard who is evil because he is evil story lines.

>>154793064
Not that anon but who would want to read that gay soap opera faggot shit. Nigga keeping tabs on this shit like a bitch and a reality show.

>>154793081
Morrison and Quesada are both equally dog shit.

>>154793097
Thats what xmen has always been.
You keep outing yourself as an mcu fanboy or an avengers reader without even realizing it.
Your ignorance of xmen is painful.

People whose main exposure to comics is the mcu are ruining comics and cartoons.

>>154789673
I have to agree. Why her? They could have used Unus The Untouchable, or Vanisher, or Astra. They're a far better choice.

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>>154791458
Would Sauron be a retarded addition to the brotherhood story wise?
He's technically not a real mutant so Magneto wouldnt really give a shit about him unless he was useful or could be used as a tool or weapon like Juggernaut.

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>>154791458
Random is pure 90's core and woulda been dope if he got more spotlight, same with Marrow.

>>154790929
You have to keep in mind that western action cartoons are rare and that the old ones were heavily censored.

Are they going to add Nate Grey eventually?

>>154787946
It's probably gonna suck without DeMayo. Say what you will about his sexuality (or sexting subordinates). He got the X-Men in a way not many people working at Disney do. And without him there, after Season 2 which was based on his script. I'm expecting the show to have a decline in quality, if not immediately fall off a cliff.

>>154793300
Some adaptations add Juggernaut, but he's not a mutant half the time.

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>X-Men '97
>Doesnt include Marrow
What an fumble.

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>>154793386
There's a bit of hope for you, Random bros, because he did have a cameo in the later seasons of the cartoon, so there's a chance. And Marrow was shown in the Genosa episode, so she might come back as well, since maybe some of the writers remembered she was in MvC2.

>>154793386
A mutie Bushwacker?

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>>154793677
It would be based beyond belief.

>>154792780
>Bastion
>Nimrod
>3-4 Sentinels of various generations

>>154793998
Didn't Warmachine lead a Sentinel team as well?

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>>154794065
Oh yeah, I almost forgot about the Sentinel Squad.
So the Sentinel Force is:
>Bastion
>Nimrod
>Rhodey and his Sentinel Squad
>Sentinels of various generations
>Wild Sentinel
>Rover
>Tri-Sentinel

>>154794880
It's interesting Domino is part of the Brotherhood. Hmmm make wondering if the show has continued, she probably switch sides similar to Jinx from Teen Titans.

So season 3 is going to be new x-men centric right? Wolverine episode is likley going to be x-23's origin.

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>>154794880
I wish that show lasted longer.

>>154787946
I am seriously hoping we get more Academy X kids from this.

Btw if you had to put more mutant girls as BoM members, who would you choose?

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>>154795314
It's a high chance because they teased X-23 on the last Wolverine episode.

>>154795411
Armor

>>154795479
Hopefully it'd mean another kind of plot for logan here.

>>154793677
He's in exodus's acoyltes in the rivals reveal.

Marrow is dead

>>154793437
Eh, it seems to be doing exactly the same odd chioces as he would have, so dunno.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oo30Ek34BQc

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Magneto's daughter will be BLACKED, guys

>>154795411
Mystique, Destiny, Scarlet Witch

>>154790929
we will have krakoa by season 4

>>154793097
go back to Xhitter nignog

>>154793437
>>154795744
97 is sucking because of Demayo. all the 2000's shit and constant fagneto/cucklops wank is because of him

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I wish we could turn back time to the good ole days.

>>154796046
The 00s stuff is sadly kinda inevitable with modern writers, even if you got the original writers back, they'd throw in some stuff.

>>154796218
They are still his kids here.

>>154795411
Blink could work, mainline blink is a blank slate
Likewise: lady mastermind, tempo, astra, fatale, lorile, phantasia. All fit i feel, and have been members

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Imagine being a show runner and not just making every team you put in the show the most goated version possible.

>>154797299
Some of these are limits by the original show desu

>>154787946
Xmen fucking suck. All this shit is constant drama between the characters, whining and a faggot fanbase that whines about individual characters fanbases.

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What would be the goated version of X-Factor be?
Havok, Polaris, Forge, Strong Guy, Multiple Man, Shard?

>Surge before Mirage
Dani bros...

>>154791256
Good. Fuck the 90s, there are almost 3 decades worth of stories that no one has tried to adapt

>>154797299
>Be me, the Juggernaut
>Get asked to join the Brotherhood of (Evil) Mutants

>>154797627
Desu, they've tried adapting a lot of the 00s stories already. Plenty of 90s ones havent.

>>154797664
>Be Juggernaut
>Wanna beat the rails off Xavier for being a cunt.
>Roll up the the x mansion get roflstomped by shadowcat, nightcrawler, rogue, and xavier every time.
>Decide to mutually allign with Magneto who also wants to stick it to xavier.

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>left X-Men because of Bobby
>then joins X-Factor and dumps Bobby for Alex
>now she's with X-Corps and likely with Bishop

>>154787946
>>They'll be another Wolverine centric episode in Season 3
Can we not?

>>154792210
yeah but he's going to post it everything single thread until someone agrees with him.

>>154792944
Robocops developed at a for-profit prison that doubled as a research facility, where volunteers where injected with nanotechnology harvested from the tissue of an unlawfully detained young adult cyborg.

>>154798542
She can't keep her shit straight without a cup of Starbucks coffee.

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Is there any chance we'll be seeing Danger again?

>>154798542
Is Bobby MIA because of the whole "You're gay, Bobby" debacle?

>>154798977
My hunch is this episode was made to cross-promote the Tokon game but I don't know.

>>154787946
They couldn't even do the bare minimum of making her look more period appropriate? They just simplify her original design and call it a day.

>>154798977
If they want to bring her back as an ally, all they gotta do is have the X-Men boot her back up and get her to dial back the training efforts a notch.
Unlike the comics, there's no dead student and trauma-induced hatred for Xavier to work through first, so they could get that done in a single side-plot scene.

Besides, she arguably produced results by forcing Polaris to lock in. If they're serious about beating Apocalypse, they'd be stupid to not at least try to get her to help them.

>>154787946
>The original idea was to stick to the style and substance of the original show to give it a proper ending
>Now it just looks like Invincible with more retarded costumes and will keep riding the coattails of the one X-Men thing people had nostalgia over despite being nothing alike
What a sad story.

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>>154799454
It was the only way it could have gone and those that opposed this trash said as much when it was announced years ago. This idea was shit at the start and only the most midwit empty losers would chase such a thing.

>>154798542
X-Corp was a 2000's idea.
This show cant stick the 90s for the life of itself.

>>154787946
the nortubel of xmen

>>154798977
People dont realize how bad this episode was.
Danger repels Cyclops' laser beam back at him and hurt him.
They completely forgot hes immune to his own lasers.
This is why his eye lids dont burst off his face when he closes them.
Also Havok and Cyclops are immune to each others powers.
This show is so retarded.
Plus Danger is an early 2000's characters that didnt even exist in the 90's.
This show is such fucking ass.

>>154799467
The original TAS covered a lot of story arcs through adaptation. But most of those stories were from 80's comics, some 70s and 60s but not much. There was basically no 90's stories.
97' is out and is covering 2000 story lines.
This series completely skipped over the 90's comics.
Even though xmen was the greatest selling comic of all time during the 90s and then2000s marked the giant fall off for comics because the stories and retcons were fucking terrible. Why would you adapt the era that had the largst fall off of all time? Makes zero sense.

>>154798977
She is returning during the final apocalypse crisis. She will make an explosive entrance and then someone gets into her thick skull and she finally joins. I hope so.

>>154800411
Bastion was literally from 97. Please stop posting.

>>154800370
Did the optic blast hurt him, though? Sure, it knocked him back, but I'm pretty sure he isn't immune to impact. Also, the writers are likely taking the punch dimension shit, and their logic is you would get knocked back by your own punch. Plus, iirc, we never saw Cyclops take his own optic blast in the cartoon, only that he and Havok canceled each other out.

>>154800411
Because outside of Age of Apocalypse, the 90s sucked for the X-Men. There's a reason they had to call in Morrison, Whedon, Bendis, Millar and Ellis to fix that shit

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>>154800411
It's less they skipped it and the original show covered most of them.
They had a two parter inspired from the Phalanx Covenant
They did a two parter inspired from Age of Apocalypse
Memories Unbound, Dreams of Gore, fucksakes both Bishop and Cable were created in the 90s

A lot of the OG show had the 1990 stories and it deeply worries me what kind of shills are here making these defenses that "well the 90s sucked that's why they skipped over it"
mother fucker they skipped over none of the 90s stories, the series just ended before they could play with events of Fatal Attraction and the 96 - 99 events which the two big ones were Onsalught and Zero Tolerance both of which had enough material to cover two seasons in the same way they did their seas 1 2 and 3 arcs of the show where they just slow bake the grand finale with a lot of character centric episodes which they would have had plenty of in that era as already noted you could do highlight episodes of mutants from the time such as Marrow, and most of Gen X, but what we got feels more like a panic rush to just get out of the 90s and into shit that most didn't want and they know this otherwise why fucking advertise this as a continuation of the 90s show?

>>154798213
Move over Black Tom Cassidy, I'm friends with Magneto now. Fuck Chuck Gang formerly Sneed's

>>154801385
I dont think tas would have done fatal attraction desu, but it makes sense for a continuation. Exodus is being done now, but just for one episode. And they're doing acoylte collosus, but without him as an x-man it means very little.

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>>154800453
That's where Gambit comes into play.

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>>154798542
Tbf every tranny on Reddit and Twitter is already shipping her with Bishop. Saying she is too good for Alex.

So Demayo made the right choise.

>>154798867
>Can we not?
Tbf this season episode was more about Morph

>>154801061
He's immune to the impact, which is why he isn't constantly knocking himself backwards every time he closes his eyes.

>>154800370
They are playing with fire in a bad way for how much they are just now ignoring the whole point of the series.

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Say what you will about DeMayo, but at least his third season was dedicated to '90s storylines like AoA, onslaught, and twelve.

>>154801567
They have some honkers on them here

>>154801640
Onslaught and The Twelve weren't worth doing and One Man's Worth was the story that inspired the AoA. Doing it in the cartoon would be like making a photocopy of a photocopy.

>>154801640
I don't think AoA would have been smart but the other two would have been much better choices.

>>154798907
This will be my final post on /co/

>>154796439
I'd actually like Blink to show up. I've only heard of her, here or there from AoA. I don't think they've ever done anything with the 616 version.

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>>154801663
>a photocopy of a photocopy
I'd rather see them do a decent adaptation of AoA than this slop from Whedon or Bendis. What's next? Rightclops stupid revolution? Weird krakoa cult? The 90s were the peak of the X-Men's popularity, while the 2000s and 2010s completely destroyed them.

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>>154792210
so was every fucking story from the 2000s comics as they were trying to cash in on the films.

>>154801663
>Onslaught and The Twelve weren't worth doing

Disagree, the most charming thing about the cartoon was how many stories they took big and small to retell them in different ways. Some of them weren't even from the X-books but they took a mediocre story and spun it into something interesting on it's own. To ignore them because of their "worth" is just telling everyone that these creators are massive hacks.

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>>154801711
>What's next?
More Wolverine-centric episodes, as if TAS wasn't already all about him. It drives me crazy.

>>154801726
They kind of already did The Twelve before the comic did with the "Beyond Good and Evil" 4 parter. Yeah it was just telepaths rather than powerful and plot important mutants, but it was a similar sort of story.

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>>154801061
>>154801626
>In the original series Cyclops decides to take a full Havok blast to the chest not knowing he immune
It was a weird way to start that fight

>>154801781
tbf cyclops is an autist

>>154801385
Sanctuary was an adaptation of X-Men #1-3 that took a few elements from Fatal Attractions (namely Xavier's Shi'ar walking suit). There was also Omega Red, the X-Factor line-up, Nightcrawler and Graydon Creed being Mystique's son, Gambit's ex-wife Bella Donna, Barry Windsor-Smith and Larry Hama's Weapon X stuff, and the origin they gave Sinister was derived from what would eventually become The Further Adventures of Cyclops and Phoenix or maybe it was like One Man's Worth and the Age of Apocalypse and they used that script as a springboard for his 616 origin. The Nasty Boys were also Sinister's 90s group, in the 80s he had the Marauders, a different line-up.

>>154801726
Wasn't the Captain American episode a backdoor pilot for his own, or is that an old rumor?

>>154790929
>>154791161
The amount of faggotry from the casuals is astronomimcal, crying like the original series was some sacred cow.
The original series had Jubilee and Gambit and Bishop and Cable running around while they adapted stories from the 70s and 80s. They were running stories about the fucking Phalanx in that final season.
Can't you complain about actual issues instead?

>>154801709
Brought her during krakoa but didnt do anything.
>>154801711
They already did aoa. Sorta.
>>154801800
Yes, the 90s.

I have zero issue with an x-men cartoon adapting the 2000s stuff, its natural. But this is a show that has 97 in its title, you know?

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>>154801800
Your argument only holds value if they didn't name it 97 and implied it was picking up with the same story telling style.
That's the issue here. Danger couldn't have happen between 97 and 2003 if the series was just going, thus why call it 97 and claim it's just "picking up where it ended" ? That's what is making everyone sour to this in a real bad way, they can tell this was just marketing shill nonsense to exploit the old fags that grew up with the show.

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>>154801776
>They kind of already did The Twelve
So what? Do you think modern audiences watched or even remember what happened in TAS? With a few tweaks, the writers could easily re-do this plotline, and no one would notice. They do that all the time in comics.

>>154801711
They already did a "What if Xavier died in the past" story. They don't need to do another take that was based on their original one. There are plenty of other X-book stories from the 60s, 70s, 80s, and 90s they can do instead of repeating themselves.
>>154801726
Onslaught was a plot device, not a character. And The Twelve was a Mystery Box that ended up with a disappointing conclusion, as these stories tend to do when someone comes up with one with no actual intended resolution and another writer multiple writers down the line decides to finally wrap it up.

>>154801850
I think its an issue, but most people i dont think care that much. And it says something about how dismal current adaptations are that its the best one running rn

>>154801857
>Do you think modern audiences watched or even remember what happened in TAS?
it's clear the 97 team never has

>>154801861
To ignore them because of their "worth" is just telling everyone that these creators are massive hacks

The team that makes this show is awful

>>154801874
Bot response desu

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>>154801841
>They already did aoa. Sorta.
I don't remember picrel, and Demayo promised to show him at the end of this season.

We were robbed.

>>154801800
>Can't you complain about actual issues instead?
That is the issue, it's labeled 97 and everyone was expecting stories there were available in the 90s or earlier or at least OG events that are not tied to anything.

>>154801626
>>154801781
Still, I think he got hurt because his ass fell flat, but he does move when he amps up his optic blast a bit.

>>154801880
call it what you want but it doesn't change the truth of this situation, this creative team is fucking everything up bad

and I am all for it

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>>154801882
It gave us jacked Cyborg Magneto.

>>154801915
He was pretty jacked in the original show. Especially for an old ass man

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>>154801882
Again, they did a story where apocalypse rules with a magneto led x-men in one man's worth. The only big change is that instead of doing jean/logan it had logan/ororo, and no pietro on the x-men

And yes demayo i think forgot the show sorta did it.

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>>154801965
he is also jacked in '97

no wonder rogue was thirsty for him

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>>154795736
>Marrow is dead
I legit forgot she got blasted with Banshee since it happened in barely a minute

>>154801978
Well time travel,not apocalypse, but you get it? Idk what would be the point of doing aoa when they did the story that led to it.

>>154801991
>she got blasted with Banshee
Wait but Banshee returns this season, I saw him in the trailer

>>154801978
>it had logan/ororo
Even as a kid I always liked it more than Jean/Logan.

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>>154802019
Two seconds after that we saw him covered in a green blast, so it's up in the air who is alive or dead unless.

So, the old rule is no body, no death at this point.

>>154802064
>So, the old rule is no body, no death at this point.

By that logic Magneto is alive. Which, of course, he is.

>>154802088
His head got blwon up, he's probably going to be back as xorn.

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What do people think of the x-men 92 comic that was the "original" modern continuation before the show. It only used one post 90s character with cassandra nova, recast as shadow king's new identity. And pairing jubes with chamber, which is a 2010s thing.

>>154802128
All those revivals were lousy or forgettable.

>>154802128
Forgot it existed, if I was ever aware in the first place.

>>154800370
I love how we have our own resident shit posters in these threads now. Was getting worried for a minute. I think I prefer the Angel getting blasted by cyclops guy though.

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>90s events sucked

Right cause Xorneato and All New were such better stories. Just about all the books were trash after 1988 and it was a question of what you grew up with

>>154787946
Season 2 took quite a long time, but now season 3 will be here next year. I sure hope they aren't pulling an invincible

>>154803139
Rewrites delayed season 2, now things are back on track, a new season every year like real tv shows ought to be.

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>>154803367
I'm just hoping animation doesn't suffer

>>154789550
kek this tranny is SEETHING

>>154790929
>The only people who are applauding it are the people who dont remember the complete and utter frustration entering into the 2000's x-men comics and hating everything they did.
>The level of gaslighting and fake fans pretending it was good back then is fucking exhausting or paid bots. Not entirely sure.
Those people weren't born when 2000s happened.

>>154793598
Marrow was there and she died.

>>154798985
Bobby died in Genosha. He's in the memorial. I dunno why Polaris hasn't mentioned that. There is no way they don't know who died and who didn't.
But then, they're trying to make a big deal for Magneto's death when he didn't die in Genosha, despite it was Gambit who saved them all.

>>154804818
Where is he?

>>154801472
> female goes hysterical
> deploy Gambit

>>154802019
No, that's Syrin.

>>154802064
They got vaporized, just like Madelyn.

>>154804841
Who? Bobby? We saw him in ep. 5 in Genosha and his picture is among the many other pics in the Genosha memorial, we saw that in the trailer.

>>154804991
I see

>>154787946
Sexo with surge

>>154800370
lol, imagine pretending to care so much about this when the original series also had hundreds of inconsistencies.

Why are there 2 threads now?

>>154795550
>Armor
I'd rather see Hisako as the teachers pet who fights the bad girls.

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>>154793064
Dark Beast and Nate Grey
Dark Beast and Emma Frost
Sinister and Beast
Beast and Jubilee
Forge and Mystique
Deadpool and Cable
Psylocke and Angel
Rictor and Wolfsbane
Gambit and Rogue
Colossus and Shadowcat
M and Synch
Legion and Blindfold
Nightcrawler and Meggan
Beast and Dazzler
Husk and Toad

>>154793016
Desu, evo isnt that far removed when it comes to wanda (it even has agatha in it). Pietro is basically an OC, but still. Pietro's an oc in everything.

This is the goated line ups.
X-Men
>Cyclops, Jean Grey, Storm, Beast, Wolverine, Angel, Iceman, Colossus, Nightcrawler, Rogue, Gambit, Psylocke, Bishop
Brotherhood
>Magneto, Mystique, Destiny, Blob, Toad, Pyro, Avalanche, Quicksilver, Scarlet Witch, Sabretooth, Juggernaut
X-Factor
>Havok, Polaris, Forge, Multiple Man, Strong Guy
New Mutants
>Mirage, Wolfsbane, Karma, Cannonball, Sunspot, Magik, Magma, Cypher, Warlock
Generation X
>Emma Frost, Banshee, Jubilee, Chamber, Husk, Skin, Synch, M, Penance

>>154789673
It was kind of obvious this was a bait and switch.

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>>154801567
>gets Magneto's aka her biological father's memories via Xavier
>doesn't fuck Rogue instead

>>154801567
Desu, that's more so cause a lot of the modern fanbase dislikes alex.

>>154808698
Alpha Flight
>Guardian/ Vindicator, Sasquatch, Snow Bird, Northstar, Aurora, Shaman
Starjammers
>Corsair, Hepzibah, Ch'od, Raza Longknife, Binary, (Cr'reee Waldo, Sikorsky)
X-Terminators
>Boom-Boom, Firefist, Rictor, Skids, Artie Maddicks, Leech, Wiz Kid

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As the OP of this thread and all the other watch threads regarding X-Men 97 S2, I thought I would've seen this amount of X-Men tism around the season finale and not midway through the season, all cause by this cute mutie from 2004 no less. I personally don't read comics so I don't have any attachments to certain storylines or any qualms of the writers rearranging storylines from the comics to better suit the cartoons as I've watched all the X-Men cartoons so I'm that kinda guy. I am enjoying Season 2 nonetheless and excited to see how the story will resolve itself come time for the finale.

>>154809532
I like 97, but its got its issues as an adaptation, and with how much it brings 00s stuff it makes me question not just reviving wataxm or doing a new one instead of the one with 5 seasons already desu.

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>>154809594
I think they wanted to do a revival of 97 because it was a fan favorite among the studio and it's a safer bet in a climate where the X-Men were in hibernation so reintroducing the original cast while adding their own twists and turns on the property would be a sound idea to do. I can see why certain storylines like Logan having bone claws getting cut short would upset people though.

>cyclops

im feeling like they've been using a whole lot of bots and low IQ retards to gaslight everyone else that they finally do him justice
cause in reality they really didn't

>>154809977
>Could it be that people disagree with me? No, the corporation is using bot farms and psy-ops to trick people into thinking cyclops is cool now.
Schizo number 3 come on down!

>>154809976
Yeah, just feels like the show that needed it the least, evo and wataxm both had way more open endings, and adding modern stuff there feels less strange/needs less rework. (Plus tas having such a massive cast comparatively).

The logan thing i find odd..cause this is a plot that WAS connected to apocalypse in the comics, why change stuff to make it less tied lol.

The show feels like its trying to condense and speed run as many different stories as possible.
Almost like every episode is an entire comic arc.
No real over arching plot or story telling just one time episode telling an arc after another.

>>154810154
that's how those 90s superhero cartoons were already
like go watch one episode of spider-man tas and then take notes of how much shit happens in one episode

>>154810225
yeah spider-man would fight morbius, kraven, and the punisher three times an episode, for three episodes.

>>154810225
Phoenix Saga was like ten episodes and two seasons. They had a lot of stuff in one episode, but the important stuff, they tried to give it enough time.
The problem ain't really that it condensed too much, rather than the former writers knew how to do so. I watched the OG cartoon in the 90s being a kid and again as an adult and I still feel them well paced. First season of 97 was ok-ish, but this one feels like they just want to get over with each episode so they can move to the next one.

>>154797567
Which version? Government team, corporate, investigations?

>>154809532
She really doesnt look like a teen, huh

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Gambitbros, how we are feeling?

>>154804818
>But then, they're trying to make a big deal for Magneto's death when he didn't die in Genosha, despite it was Gambit who saved them all.
On that note, why the fuck are they pining so much over Lehnsherr's death!? So he turned over a new leaf for the last few years of his life. That's great. He was still a bloodthirsty terrorist, mutant supremacist, and shitty parent for most of his lived days. And are we all just going to ignore the fact that he, a traumatized militant Jew with a latent messiah complex, was the absolute worst person to let make any attempt at reforming Nur?

Fuck, man. No wonder Apocalypse was able to procure Remy's casket unnoticed. Because no one visits his grave.

>>154808082
>Desu, evo isnt that far removed when it comes to wanda
There's no other version of Wanda that's a schizo who grew up in an asylum, and no other version of her that's an angry goth stereotype motivated 100% by daddy issues.

The whole point of their first year in the comics was that they were good people who should be heroes but were trapped in a villain team, eventually they get out and achieve their destiny of being heroes. Evolution has them just stay in the Brotherhood forever.

>>154810031
>jew is playing schizo card

Yawn

>>154808998
>a lot of the modern fanbase dislikes alex
why?

you guys like the new season? im on ep2 because i just noticed it got released and the dialogue is really weak so far

>>154807072
One would hope that a revival series intended for adults would have fewer sloppy mistakes.
>>154810225
The first two seasons of the original X-Men show had much better pacing. Yeah, Spider-Man's pacing was ridiculously fast, X-Men's wasn't.

>>154812366
I'm guessing when Remender tried to make Havok take a moderate position on mutant affairs by trying to diminish the boundaries between mutant and human by telling people he and people like him should be judged by the content of his character and not the color-coded pattern of his genome, standard civil rights stuff. That rubbed the very loud snowflakes in a bad way because now it implies their unique escape fantasy character would just be another John or Jane, and Remender mishandled the pushback to put it lightly.

Or maybe it's the shipping crap and Havok was with someone they didn't approve of, who knows, the fanbase is full of little girls that care about that shit.

>>154811583
Desu he wasn't that bad in tas

>>154813644
In the finale of the last season he killed thousands of people with an EMP and had every intention of ending all life on Earth.

>>154812276
I mean it makes sense as an extrapolation of the bryne era mental problems (the haircut also looks like that)
>Goth teen, modernized version of outsider, specifically modeled after associations with witchraft
>potrayed as the most empatethic of the broterhood
>harkness tries helping her trough her issues
>actual bad luck powers potrayed as such
>bad relationship with father

Comparatively to quicksilver...

>>154811583
Because the show is entering an era when gay commies took over the franchise and they all creamed themselves with the idea of Magneto murdering humanity for the crime of bigotry because they wished to kill their families for not accepting them, and the rest of the X-men followed along. That's what ended up giving us Krakoa. They really don't see anything wrong with Magneto's actions, they think it's very much justified.

>>154812852
>One would hope that a revival series intended for adults would have fewer sloppy mistakes.
First season was for us adults to get hooked up with the series and later give us 2000s stories. It's now back to be for kids, or rather, mentally undeveloped adults.

>>154813889
But that's fine because someone called him a fag, I mean, a muttie.

>>154789673
Yeah, where THE FUCK are Marrow and Cecilia?

>>154814664
Dead, and not shown

>>154793386
TOTAL NOID DEATH

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>>154814384
Morrison hated Magneto passionately and tried to commit IP sabotage so no one would be able to use him again. It was Claremont who immediately undid that.
>>154814400
DeMayo outlined the plot in the first two seasons. As he says, the script drafts were completed, the animatics were being reviewed, work was already getting started on animating the episodes. Season 3 will be the first not to use any of his outline. The current showrunner says that Magneto's death as written by DeMayo used a discretion shot and he decided nah, I want to see this guy get disintegrated on screen. The Brood episode also got pretty gory. They're not writing for kids.

>>154814708
Morrison hated movie magneto yeah

>>154815527
Magneto in general, the Fox movies treated him as a villain.
>What people often forget, of course, is that Magneto, unlike the lovely Sir Ian McKellen, is a mad old terrorist twat. No matter how he justifies his stupid, brutal behaviour, or how anyone else tries to justify it, in the end he's just an old bastard with daft, old ideas based on violence and coercion. I really wanted to make that clear at this time.

>>154815879
McKellan portrays him exactly like this.

>>154814708
There were some rewrites and changed for S2. It's not fully his work.

>>154789725
Season one is startingly good and half of season two is even better. The cracks started to show in episode six of season two.

>>154816757
>The cracks started to show in episode six of season two.
Why so? Adding Polaris and Danger was DeMayo's idea

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>>154791161
Too bad. I was hoping we would see the roster from the original opening intro. With Toad and Destiny including.

>>154818402
Who is the big head pink dude?

>>154818518
I think that's Gargoyle.

>>154818518
Alpha, the Ultimate Mutant.

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>>154818693
Yeah I think it's him. He even looks like him, but with clothes.

>>154818518
Sir Not-Appearing-In-This-Animated-Series

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>>154817803

>>154791161
Eh, I don't care about Surge being there, but I agree that it'd be amazing to see Unus or Phantazia.

Anyway, I'm excited to see Pyro, Avalanche, and Blob. That other anon may be right about 'Surge' being Mystique.

>>154819637
I feel they're probably going to setup the new x-men next season, if the wolverine episode is an x-23 origin especially.

>>154791768
Freedom Force had different costumes, and we don't see Mystique, Destiny, Spiral, or the old guys. It'd be cool as fuck to see Commando, Stonewall, and Super Sabre in the show, though.

>>154819687
Maybe. I don't mind the nods and callbacks to later X-Men stuff like Morrison's run, but I'd prefer that to not be the focus.

>>154819874
I just hope they don't go any further passing from 2000's storyline to the...Ugh! 2010's and 2020's.

>>154819927
We've gotten some dashes of krakoa with geonosha: it being a council, kurt being a religious leader in it, emma and moira being in ruling positions. And now we're getting exodus vs kurt

>>154820030
>kurt being a religious leader in it
That made me cringe. Why would anyone think the other religious people would follow a Catholic? Not even the protestants would do so.

>>154820030
At least it's not insulting. They better not retcon Kurt's origin.

I miss bishop's old hair

>>154793998
Add Rover

>>154812946
I'm still baffled we're at the point where the vocal fanbase on social media is constantly preaching love and tolerance, but hates all the characters that actually preach love and tolerance the right way.

>>154820445
Same. Yet another character who was done a massive disservice in the transition from the 90s to the 00s.

>>154787946
I like Surge. Hopefully she joins the X-Men eventually and isn't stuck on the other team forever.

>>154820798
I think the problem is that they've got different ideas about love and tolerance. Their vision of it is not always loving or tolerant towards people they dislike.

>>154812366
It comes down to havok just not having a very strong showing in 00s stories
>Biggest role is in the generally agreed as worst run of the x-men's history with austen's, where he treats polaris like shit and has the worst x-men romance
>outside of that biggest role is fucking off in space with the most hated x-men character's subplot (vulcan). Where he does very little
>then did nothing in x-factor
>Then uncanny avengers where his biggest role is a romance with wasp that no one cares for
>then just gets murked
>then he's just all about madelyne
Not a lot to draw on.

>>154789673
they adapted zero tolerance (and made it GOOD which should be impossible) and even gave a love letter to Liefeld merc lore with maverick and kane.

Thing is all the classic stories of the 80s and 90s were covered in TAS, and *everything* there is supposed to be canon to 97'. They quite literally are running out of old things to adapt

>>154821695
Alex also got to be the guy to drop the infamous "I hate what the term mutant stands for" clanger

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polaris being iceman's age and a homeless foster kid with attitude problems was unironically a better origin than comics.

>>154790929
>is straight from the dog shit early 2000's comics.
pleb

>>154792117
>But the 2000's marked a massive decline in x-men comic sales in comparison to the 90's. Due to the quality and just crap stories and retcons.
you got it wrong

97-99 was the implosion. Morrison brought it back, and it gradually got better as the Messiah Trilogy turned out to not suck. X comics were peaking at Schism before bendis fucked it all up.

>>154801889
the only 90s stories left to adapt are xcutioners song and the fucking TWELVE arc.

they adapted adventures of jean and cyclops for fucks sake

>>154821762
People liked the Bendis run, it was what came after that which stunk real bad. Some of the worst "616 humans are massive retards and deserve no good will" writing there's been

>>154815879
Morrison will always be wrong on this one.
He blatantly didn't read like 16 years of the character's publication history or chose to ignore it, including up to the King Magnus stuff

>>154821695
It's rough being the less popular brother of the most despised X-Man. Yeah, I love Scott but face it, it's true.

>>154821793
yes and no

first the new 00s fans were facing TRIGGERED at wolverine at the xmen personality genociding the 00s ocs
then bendis basically shat cyclops up (who was widely beloved as the decade's mvp) even if he was selling like hotcakes, it was the bendis-sponsored/linked events that set the beginning of the end for x-men lore wise.

Of course anything even resembling recovery was thoroughly raped by perlkiker trying to replace the franchise with the Inhumans, so in the end bendis wasn't even the worst, he was just the first in a long line of fuck ups at all levels of the production chain.

>>154821793
>People liked the Bendis run

No we didn't!

>>154821794
It's sad that the Xorn twist was so well done and the following Magneto story was so terrible.