Which superhero has the best rogue's gallery?Which has the worst?
>>154797860I don't care for rogues galleries.
>>154797860It's Batman. I know it's a tired answer, but he really does have a very good rogues' gallery.
Flash has both the best and the worst. At its best, there's characters like Professor Zoom (The Reverse Flash) and others that can challenge Flash despite how OP he's become. At its worst, it's a bunch of painfully silly Silver Age dweebs wasting everyone's time.
Nightwing easily has the worst.Green Arrow, Iron Man, and Wonder Woman’s rogue galleries have multiple villains who do the bare minimum of following/mirroring their themes and/or lore.The overwhelming majority of Nightwing villains do not do that and Dixon fucked up making most of the ones he used frequently be assassins/mercs so now Dick has a ton of superfluous shitty villains who just kill people for boring reasons.
>>154797860For Marvel: Spider-manFor DC: Batman
>>154797860Not including heroes/teams with limited amount of runs in the worst categories because that wouldn't be fair, but will be adding the teams with the best and worst rogue galleries though.Best DC hero: Batman duhBest Marvel hero: Captain AmericaBest DC team: JSA or Doom PatrolBest Marvel team: Fantastic FourWorst DC hero: Nightwing or Green ArrowWorst marvel hero: Iron Man or CarolWorst DC team: Titans or Birds of PreyWorst marvel team: desu all of their big teams have decent rogue galleries but I guess GOTG just by the virtue of a lot of their good villains belonging to other rogue galleries or becoming general marvel villains
>>154799236Mirror theming is a bad meme in villain design, it's the laziest writing trope you could use. And worst is that despite being so common most writers are so bad at it that they fail to make meaningful parallels.Also Dick has something like a half dozen villains who mirror him and they all suck.
>>154799236Venom has to be at least as bad. It's Knull shit, Venom's own offspring symbiotes, or Jack O'Lantern being his dollar store Goblin.
>>154797873What a lovely contribution.
>>154800076This is basically half of /co/
>>154797860Bizarro is a stupid idea. He is just dumb, ugly Superman.
>>154799115Flash's rogue gallery really is that Chuck Norris meme, theyre the villains in town that he's allowed to live
>>154800091No
>>154797873My biggest enemy... is myself enjoyer
>>154799872You only consider it "lazy" because the overwhelming majority of good villains do it and have for decades. And it being done is one reason why those villains are good.
>>154800175I feel like Flash's best stories are when he's facing some shadowy organisation or company, his actual rogues are a bit shit
>>154800175I don't see the GOAT
>>154797860>For DC It's Batman. (I'm da Jokah babey, Two-Face, Penguin, Scarecrow, Killer Croc, Clayface, Deadshot, and, Ras al-ghul)>For MarvelFor Marvel, it's obviously the X-Men (Sentinel, Magneto, I'm the Juggernaut bitch, Mystique, Sabretooth, and Scarlet Witch) and Spider-Man (Doc Ock, Green Goblin, Mysterio, Sandman, Venom, and Kingpin).
>>154800376>frogger Out
>>154797860DC: It's a toss up between Captain Marvel and Batman for me. I love Dr. Sivana, Mr. Mind and the other Golden Age foes for Billy. Marvel: Spider-Man and the Fantastic Four
>>154800380Fuck off owltranny
>>154799236Is Nightwing's rogues gallery really that bad?>Blockbuster>Deathstroke>Two-Face>Raptor>Talon>Shrike>Lady Vic>Brutale>Electrocutioner>Tarantula>Defacer>Stallion>Mouse>Giz>Thrilldevil>Gorilla Grimm>Double Dare>Crazy Quilt>Professor Pyg>Tiger Shark>Orca>Heartless>Mr. Minos>The Judge>Gargoyle>Zanni>ColombinaNightwing's problems have come from DC's constant resets, most writers dropping everything the previous writer had going on, and DC constantly fucking his shit up to service whatever's going on in Batman.I'd definitely put Nightwing's rogues over Green Arrow. At least here they try to create new villains. Most GA runs are happy to yoink whatever villain is trending (see Winick and Williamson and the Arrow show as the biggest offenders)
>>154797860Batman and Spider-Man have the best. The Flash has the worst.
>>154800376Forgot to include Bane, Mr. Freeze, Mad Hatter, Poison Ivy, Hugo Strange, etc... but you get the idea. Batman has a lot of iconic villains.
>>154800478Cope and seethe troon
>>154800112This is missing the xenomorphs and Predator.
>>154799236At least Wonder Woman's foes have a habit of becoming Justice League villains or Legion of Doom fodder. I can't think of any villain beyond Meryln, Vertigo, or Prometheus ever even amounting to glorified Legion members.
I think it's amusing how half of Moon Girl's rogues gallery was kids of other Marvel villains.Princess Fisk was Kingpin's adopted daughter.Bad Dream was a human Nightmare abducted as an infant.Girl Moon was Ego's daughter formed as the result of a meteor hitting him.I just think it's funny how far they kept pushing it.
I think the Legion of Super Heroes has some decent villains.
>>154800576All I remember of Princess Fisk is that some guys here really tried to turn her into a flavor of the month.The idea of Fisk having a spoiled daughter is genius though.
>>154800257>Fast Forward not invited.
>>154800627I really wish she had turned up in the cartoon. Damn MCU mandate.
>>154800562>Cope and seethe troon
>>154800257>>154800629I don't see Xever, Bradford, or the Ultimate Ninja either.
>>154797860Spiderman and i don't even like Marvel that much
>>154800503>>BlockbusterShitty Kingpin ripoff>>DeathstrokeDC considers him a Batvillain or his own little franchise>>Two-FaceHasn't been acknowledged since Tomasi's NW>>RaptorGood>>TalonOnly good in CoO, is shit everywhere else and is ESPECIALLY shit whenever in proximity to Dick>>ShrikeShitty assassin>>Lady VicShitty assassin>>BrutaleShitty assassin>>ElectrocutionerShitty assassin>>TarantulaRuined by her own creator pivoting her into being a crazy stalker>>DefacerNot a villain>>StallionNot a villain since rebirth>>MouseNot a villain since rebirth>>GizNot a villain since rebirth>>ThrilldevilNot a villain since rebirth>>Gorilla GrimmSucks>>Double DareHad they been pre 00s James Trickster-esque they might've filled that niche but Dixon played them straight and tried to make them threatening so they suck.>>Crazy QuiltHasn't been used in decades and is a joke villain.>>Professor PygTaken by Batman>>Tiger SharkSucks >>OrcaNot a villain since rebirth>>HeartlessSucks>>Mr. MinosSucks and is dead>>The JudgeGood>>GargoyleGood, hasn't been seen in almost two decades>>ZanniStarted out good but ended with a whimper, also will probably never appear again>>ColombinaGood, will never appear again unless Watters uses her again before he leavesMost of his are fucking terrible and the good ones are either taken by Batman or never used again.
Wonder Woman's is underrated. I wish they'd use them outside her books more and stop making them job when used outside her books.
>>154801363My Adventures with Wonder Woman felt like such a natural next step that it's almost insulting they keep using her rogues in MAWS.
>>154800301I'd argue that the good villains don't do it or the mirror elements are later additions after the villain has already solidified themselves.>>154800369Duke of Oil is an Outsiders villain.>>154801071I'd argue that most of Nightwing's villains only need slight changes to be massively improved.
>>154797860>Marvel>BestHonestly can’t decide, Marvel’s great at rogues. Spidey is the obvious pick, but I want to say the Fantastic Four. I don’t think they have a single miss in there, just villains that contributed less to them and the universe compared to others. Dr. Strange’s rogues are also highly underrated, but everyone just keeps spamming Mordo/Dormammu/maybe sometimes Nightmare so nobody knows most of it.Can I just say all three? Spidey, F4, Dr. Strange?>WorstCaptain Marvel, probably. Can’t name a single one. Hulk at least has the Leader and Abomination, Tony has a bunch of corporate heads, Thor has Loki and Enchantress and a few dozen other god-things. Captain Marvel has… the Skrulls? Who’re primarily the F4’s. And maybe her rape child, for one issue. >DC>BestBatman, duh. If Constantine counts, I guess he can get a biscuit too. But… it’s Batman.>WorstAnyone who isn’t Batman.I’m only half-joking. Wonder Woman sucks (even her well-known rogues aren’t entertaining), Green Arrow sucks (his only decent rogue was taken away from him and the rest blow), Nightwing obviously sucks but he’s cheating because he’s a legacy character that’s mostly used for fujobait nowadays.
>>154800175>Catman>Deathstroke>Prometheus>CheshireThis is a joke, right?
I read somewhere that Luke Cage's was hard to make villains for, so he gets shitty ones.
She-Hulk.It's just Titania
>>154800257I kind of love these. There any more? Do you have an artist name?
>>154800167Most of these guys he only fought once some he didn't fight in his own comic and some aren't even villains.
>>154797860Flash has the best roguesEveryone else can fuck right off. Flash is best.
>>154799872They keep making them since the evil twin villain tends to be the most poplar one. Everyone loves Sinestro, Venom, Reverse Flash, and Black Adam. It only inspired writers to keep making evil armored guys for Iron Man, evil ninjas for Batman, evil Kryptonians for Superman, and evil gamma guys for Hulk.
>>154801785Would Marvel really count when he and Carol stopped being much of a thing in the early 80s? Most of them were rogue Kree scientists or people with similar abilities. They also really tried making Scorpion a Carol rival for a while.
>>154802778Given that they’ve been trying to push her for almost a decade and a half straight as the best thing ever, YES.
>>154802407No one gave a shit about Sinestro until Johns, and Johns turned him into a mirror of the Guardians rather than Hal. Venom stopped being a mirror to Spider-Man when he proved popular. Professor Zoom isn't actually an evil mirror villain except in appearance. Black Adam was a second stringer for most of Billy's history, and again is only mirrors powerset and costume.
>>154803481Bitch I was talking about Luke Cage.
Who are the F4 villains besides Dr. Von Doom and Galactus? diaperman? A geriatric cafeteria lady? Jewish sewer crawler?
>>154803564See>>154800243
>>154800107>That Riddler
>>154803557Oh yeah, fuckboi? Well I clicked on the wrong post, what do you wanna do about it, talk about Luke Cage villains?
>>154803574>bunch of literal whos
>>154803614dis nigga don't know moleman, paste pot pete, wizard, or red ghost
>>154799239only correct answer
>>154803625Grim
>>154803713No he's the rock guy.
>>154802787No one has villains now though. Especially in Marvel. All Marvel books are weird annoying dramas with maybe 1-2 pages of seeing them do their hero thing in a costume against a villain, but it's an aside and not a part of the real story. You never see them actually fight the villain either. It's always the hero charges at the villain then next panel they are at home watching something.
Ant-Man, all of them.Most notable are Ultron, Egghead and Daren Cross. Ultron is great but he's such a big deal and popular enough that he won't ever be used as only a solo Ant-Man villain, he's effectively an Avengers villain. Egghead is Hank Pym's real archnemesis but Elihas Starr has had as much success in being a villain as Pym had as solo hero. Daren is mostly there because of movie synergy.
>>154801071Tomasi's NW wasn't even the last time Dick fought Two-Face during the post-crisis era.
>>154800046Would Spider-Man count?
>>154800237I’ve always thought Thor’s rouges were seriously underrated, never read his silver or Bronze Age stuff so I’m sure there’s bound to be corny stuff but I’ve never read a story where the villain was lame
>>154800212My GOAT Dr. Trap!
I think Nightwing has a good Rogues Gallery actually.Honestly the fact that I can recall more than just 2 guys makes him better than say, Aquaman, who really only has Black Manta and Ocean Master, the rest are all fodder.
>>154800112Did Orca learn how to do offensive Chinese caricatures from Luigi?
>>154799115>Flash has both the best and the worst.Flash is just weak retards, villains who are also a Flash, and lulzy toonforce magic powerz.Shit rogues gallery.Not as shitty as Aquaman, who inarguably has the worst.Thor has an underrated Rogues Gallery.
>>154804386Hard agree. I recently got back into the series and had fun looking up all of the different antagonists that they’ve had over the years. Also, I can’t believe that you left out mutants. How have they never had a crossover with X-Men?
DC Justice League Rogue's Ranking:1. Batman - lots of classic villains across all media, even though movies are busy butchering themw>power gap2. Superman - Lex Luthor and Brainiac do all the heavy lifting, far FAR too many "Evil versions of me", lots of oddball shit3. Wonder Woman - fetish fuel across the board, as is appropriate, but at least she doesn't spend all day fighting "Wonder Woman but Evil".4. Flash - Way too many goofballs and "Flash but Evil", points for Gorillas.5. Green Lanterns (various) - mostly Evil Lanterns, plus randumb stupidly written aliens, really just a stunning lack of imagination with the entire universe to stomp around in.6. Aquaman - one obsessed, underpowered Rogue, his brother, and endless, endless 5th string crapola7. Martian Manhunter - Other Martians, then mobsters. Forgettable.8. Hawkman - no one even cares, I had to look them up, they had to make Shazamwow!'s chief nemesis an important part of it.
>>154804511So how many Batman but evil and Hawkman but evil are there?
>>154804511I always dismiss lists like these because the biases are so obvious.Just say you don't care dude, I can tell.
>>154804511>8. HawkmanBitch fuck you, bet you don't even know about Hath-Set.And of course, next you'll probably downplay Shadow Thief, Fadeaway Man or the Gentleman Ghost.
The heroes with the worst Rogues Gallery are those that can barely qualify as a Rogues Gallery.A Rogues Gallery can only really exist if the villains are memorable enough, otherwise they just fade into the background.
Also saying a hero's Rogues Gallery sucks just because you haven't read their books of course isn't a good way to judge them.But I guess one can't expect everyone to have read everything about every hero and every villain they've fought, which is how these uninformed opinions happen.
>>154804511Based anon telling it how it is. Flash rogues were always jerked off so hard around here, but they're goofball gadgeteers. The only time I found them interesting in recent memory is when Captain Cold was planning on robbing Lex Corp, but that heist never happened.
>>154802778>They also really tried making Scorpion a Carol rival for a while.They only fought once, at least in her own stories.
>>154805014He was brought back a few times in the early 00s for that reason.
>>154804511>>154804646The sad thing about Hawkman villains is that they are all cooler than him. >Bith, shapeshifting alien drug dealing ex-cop that goes to planets, gets people hooked then assassinates anyone that gets in the way>Fadeaway Man, functionally a wizard villain with a collection of magic things stolen from museums >Matter Master, classic Molecule Man but smaller scale and way more powerful than any Hawks>Lion Mane, 8 foot tall magic lion man from another dimension, or a were-lion that heals from anything done to him and can fuck up pretty much anything>Shadow Thief, century old elemental that is another case of very powerful guy just stealing things instead of ruling a place
>>154797860Best: FlashWorst: Batman
>>154805232Nothing's cooler than a shirtless guy with a mace and a bird helmet.
>>154804343You're mad he fights a black guy aren't you?
For DC, not counting the ones who just don't have much of a rogues gallery to begin with, surely Wonder Woman is the worst right? She has lots of villains, every single one of them sucks dick however.
>>154797860>the bestCaptain Marvel, hands down>the worstIron Man's is just people who job very specifically
>>154800594Prince Evillo never got enough love.
Where would Spawn’s rank in comparison?
>>154806108Early Titans villains sucked a lot harder.Blue Beetle's shitty rogues somehow never rate.
Flash. At least has the most variety. From Talking Psychic Gorrilas to Speedsters to various gadget based crooks. And say what you will about the last group... at least they adapt and fucking go for it in a city where it's protector can defeat them before they even think. However Batman has all these bad guys who are just variations of the things that make him... him. So Mr. Freeze is his dedication. Man Bat is his obssession with bats. Hush is if he killed his parents. Joker and Harley are him and Robin. But that gets old. Spider-Man is interesting but only ehen it comes to animal-based foes. I will die on that hill. Who guves a FUCK about Boomerang?
>>154805606Gigantic shirtless lion man certainly is.
>>154797860BatmanSpiidermanFlashFantastic Four
>>154805232
>>154797860On paper Wondy has a decent rogue gallery but writers never did much with them (and modern writers really aren't good doing shorter plot heavy villain stories)
How good is batman's rogue gallery really without the all time number one punching it up? Two face is a great follow up but after him I feel like the roster falls off. certainly up there but I'm not sure if I'd call it untouchable. most of them are either solid but not particularly iconic B/C listers or the likes of penguin and poison ivy, famous but dated goofs.
>>154797860>BestSpidey or Batman. Flash us up there>WorstWondy or Iron man
>>154807476Batman has been around long enough, and in enough different forms of media, that you can cherrypick a lot of decent ones out of the group. He just happens to have lots and lots of villains that there are a number of good ones. But also the fact that he keeps getting tv and movie adaptations, there were loads of chances at making some of the shit ones into something interesting after a while.
>>154797860Batmanidk probably Ironman or something.
>>154797860It's Batman. We all know it's Batman. The worst question is more interesting however.There's a lot of ways it could go but for me the worst is Iron man
>>154799236So like a villain who's an acrobat?One who's a former sidekick grown into their own villain?One who's bird-themed?
Manta existing is the sole reason Aquaman isn't the default answer to worst rogues gallery.
>>154806152Black Adam is overhyped. I reject your suggestion.
>>154807539Batman's definitely a case where if you asked the people glazing his rogues gallery what the best villain stories are most of them are going to say the same dozen classic stories that everyone reads and nothing else.
>>154807781Yeah but... mr mind
>>154797860Am I stupid or is that meant to be another Superman villain in the back? Like the Eradicator or Cyborg Superman?
>>154807801I think that would be the case for most villains. Popular stories get read more because people recommend them and they get reprinted.
>>154807779I'd argue that Aquaman only having 2 villains that people can name is why he has the worst one actually.Whenever people talk about Wonder Woman's villains, people usually know Cheetah, Giganta, Dr. Psycho and maybe a few others like Circe, Ares, Dr. Poison, Blue Snowman, etc.But most people genuinely don't know of Aquaman's villains besides Black Manta and Ocean Master, they're not even relevant for people to make fun of them.
>>154807781>>154807827Beyond Sivana, Adam, and Mr. Mind, no one cares about other Shazam villains.
>>154807862Sure, but genuine fans of the characters will have their personal favorites.
>>154800112truth nuke: most Batman villains would be called shit if they were anybody else's villains
>>154807966>a short fat guy who walks like a penguin is one of the most popular villains of all time? c'mon!
>>154807966>Gee Green Lantern, how come you get two crazy girlfriends?
>>154800128Not a single dime to be drawn from here.
>>154804511>5. Green Lanterns (various) - mostly Evil Lanterns, plus randumb stupidly written aliens, really just a stunning lack of imagination with the entire universe to stomp around in.Switch Green Lantern and Superman because everyone else's villains become much better when they become Green Lantern-oriented.
>>154807801For me it's The Spook
>>154807966If anything they'd be cooler if they were other Superheroes villains. Imagine if venom made Bane strong enough to fight Superman.
>>154804343Any hero that has Black Manta can't have the worst Rogues Gallery. Like the rest could be the literal worst villains in history and Black Manta would still raise the average above some other heroes.That's how good Black Manta is.
Superman has best, Green lantern has worst
>>154807862also the fact that comics aren't nearly as prolific as people tend to assume they are. villains don't have endless material, a villain storyline was like a once in a blue moon event that got dolled out over the course of months to a year or longer.
>>154808227A lot of doctors, lolWomen hate professionals
>>154808189Depends on the Lantern
>>154797860>bestA tie between Spiderman and Batman>worstBlack Widow. Honorable mention to Wonder Woman for having the worst out of any A list hero.
>>154808426>Honorable mention to Wonder Woman for having the worst out of any A list heroWho do you consider A list?
>>154800112>the kabuki twinsSomeone really should make them cannon as Penguin's hired hep.
>>154808430Right now, the best way to defined that is whoever normies know about for reasons that aren't live action movies. DC's trinity are always A list. Marvel is usually Spiderman, Wolverine, and Hulk. Sometimes you can make an argument for someone like Captain America, but I think more often than not, he's someone they know of, but don't know anything about.
>>154808426You're a fool. >Cheetah>Giganta>Various Olympians>Literally HitlerWomder woman has some of the better Rogues
>>154808159I liked that time his sidekicks decided to gaslight him into going back to jail
>>154808426Unless the A list is exclusively the Trinity and Spider-Man, no WW doesn't have the worst rogues gallery.
>>154807881You could say the same thing about Wolverine or Daredevil. Wolverine has Sabertooth and Omega Red, Daredevil has Kingpin and Bullseye.
Supergirl doesn't even have villains
>>154804511I bet you think Gentleman Ghost is a Batman villain.
>>154808757Well yes. Spidey, Cap, and Thor are the only solo heroes at marvel with a decent to good rogue gallery.
>>154800149In my estimation, Spider-man has the best Rogue's gallery.
>>154799236Well no wonder his suck so bad, Dick barely even has any themes or lore outside of growing up and being from a circus. And Zanni and Raptor are the only ones who have done the circus theme well.Out of the others you gave, Diana has feminism, truth, and greek myth shit, Ollie has the whole Robin Hood aspect, and Tony has industrialism, and they have tons of villains that take those and run with them to the point where a lot of them are superfluous (like Diana having like 5 villains that are lies deception to her truth).
>>154803870Ultron might be the biggest case of a villain overshadowing its hero, Marvel would adapt Ultron in a heartbeat even if there was no Hank Pym around, they have done it multiple times already. In a way it's also cheating because Ultron was created in the Avengers comic to be a villain for the team, just one that holds a personal connection with one of its members, it also happens that specific member is not the most popular one.
So Jean Grey is Dark Phoenix in this? Good luck doing this for the fourth time. (because I count Multiverse of Madness)
>>154797860I think Captain America has a pretty great Rogues gallery, worst is tough to say since every hero has at least 5 or 6 villains that I'm quite partial to and are memorable but I would say maybe Kamala Khan/Ms Marvel but give her credit that unlike a lot of recent legacy characters or mantle leeches she actually tried to have one.
Superman: 4Batman: 2Wonder Woman: 2Flash: 2Green Lantern: 2 (I'll have to count Grundy as a GL villain)Aquaman: 1that bum Toyman should have been replaced
>>154809320Ultron fundamentally doesn't work without Hank Pym though, everything that makes him a great villain is because of that relation. It's why the MCU version of the character lacks so much of what makes him compelling or threatening besides the way they fucked up his design.
>>154809206>Diana having like 5 villains that are lies deception to her truthdon't count story specific villains, only recurring villains matterin that case only Duke of Deception really counts, maybe Dr. Psycho but he fulfills another role (misogynistic control)villains who just masquerade as something else don't really count either because it's not their whole thing
>>154797860>BestSpider-Man>WorstLiterally anyone that’s not Batman, Spider-Man, Superman, or Flash
>>154797860I hate how everyone is qualifying worst as whether they know them or not rather than how annoying they are and the answer to that is the X-Men.
>>154809405The problem is that Marvel doesn't care, they see Ultron as the coolest evil robot they own and they will exploit that, hence Ultron being in stuff like the MCU even if Hank Pym has nothing to do with him, or appearing in games. For Marvel he fills the niche of being a big deal bad guy.
>>154809206You don't need deep themes or lore, it's why Batman fights a clown. As far as Diana goes, she originally had two major underpinnings that go unnoticed in modern times. The first is that she's purely pulp adventure rather than specifically mythology, magic, or war; Hellboy is the closest modern counterpart to her Golden Age concept. The second is that her villains were largely driven by maladaptive emotional and psychological issues.
>>154808529Is Iron Man A-list now?
>>154809661The question is how long will it take for him to go back to Z-lister without the MCU?
>>154809635They’ve been treating Joker as chaos to Batman’s order for decades now
Why does no one bring up X-Men's rogue gallery? Are the X-Men not a superhero team? I see a lot of Fantastic Four here. Like seriously, other than Dr. Doom and Galactus, their "rogue's gallery," if you even call it that, fucking SUCKS.
>>154809689Which means fuck-all in terms of thematic parallels or lore. Every criminal is chaos to Batman's order. Batman himself is usually presented as a chaotic element against corrupt systems. Given that Gotham is and always will be a crime-filled shithole the Joker is emblematic of the social order, not Batman. The actual thematic antithesis to Batman is pre-Crisis Killer Moth.
>>154809713X-Men's rogues gallery has been massively mishandled over the past 25 or so years to the point it's heavily diminished from its 90s peak. That being said, Arcade is the most underrated X-Men villain.
>>154809683Never. Even at his worst his status was "one of those Marvel superheroes who aren't Spider-Man, the X-Men, or Hulk", which even under a very strict tiering would be a C. Z should be reserved for characters with less notability than Blue Shield.
>>154809713The X-Men befriended all of their villains and now all they have left is the racist human of the week
>>154809635Batman has a mental illness theme to which Joker falls under. And yes, Batman is affected by said theme. He's had tons of stories over the last 3 decades that spell out that he's a very mentally ill man despite being put together most of the time.You're just coping over most major rogue galleries having at least one or two themes that relate to the hero that a great deal of their villains fall under, because you're a Dickfag who can't handle people saying his current villains are shit and due to having a lack of lore and overarching theme will STAY shit.
It's not Spidey because Spidey cannot beat the ones who become so popular they become protagonists of their own stories
>>154802327>CatmanOne of the things that made him get his life together and become badass was Green Arrow laughing at him>DeathstrokeAfter Infinite Crisis they tried pushing a rivalry between the twoThis is also why he showed up in Arrow>PrometheusRipoffed Roy's arm and killed Lian>CheshireRoy
>>154809835Based Arcade enjoyerFuck Avengers Academy
>>154809995Morbius and Man-Wolf were just capitalizing on the same monster boom they were made for, so Venom is the only long-term example of that. Doctor Octopus had to lose his Octopus status and Green Goblin's longest stint was just taking over as team leader of an existing group.
>>154797860Flash's is overrated. It's a decent one, but people claiming he's on par with Batman are insane.You get past Eobard, Zolomon, and Grodd, and you're left with Johns' self insert and his bitches and said bitches haven't been apart of any good stories outside of being campy in the silver and bronze age and everything Johns did with them. And then other than them it's nothing but superfluous speedsters and literally whos who job so the aforementioned characters can hog all the spotlight.
>>154800076You really couldn't have drawn that yourself?
>>154800503Bruh im dead. You brought up ThrillDevil non ironically. Whose super power is riding a motor cycle well. I like you man, but youre crazy.
>>154808170Black Manta is as generic as a "I just hate the hero" villain can be. He didn't even have an actual motive until new 52 because they kept retconning them.Great visual appeal though.
>>154809713Because the overwhelming majority of X-Men villains are now just X-Men.
>>154800503Man get the fuck outta here. Raptor, Gargoyle, Deathstroke, and Watters' OCs are the only decent ones in that whole lineup and Raptor hasn't been seen in over 5 years, Gargoyle hasn't been seen in over 20 years, and Slade isn't even a Dick villain anymore.And a good chunk of those aren't even villains anymore due to Seeley.
>>154810102Even the goddamn Sentinels join sometimes. At least Mojo's still gross.
>>154803870>EggheadOnly Roger Stern can make this guy cool.
>>154809975Bruh, I'm talking about Wonder Woman.
Flash has the worst. Batman has the best.
>>154809405>Ultron fundamentally doesn't work without Hank Pym thoughNah. Ultron is awesome but Hank sucks>b-but that mov-It was fine.
>>154810378>You don't need deep themes or lore, it's why Batman fights a clown.
>>154807894somehow... Aunt Minerva has been adapted in live action
>>154808227they should lean on Giganta being pre-historicI never liked modern takes on Giganta
>>154810472Hank is the best Avenger.
Best? Batman.Worst? Wonder Woman.
>>154807894Hey, I like Misters Atom and Banjo, the Crocodile Men and IBAC
>>154810553Yes, did you read the rest of the post?
>>154799236DICKHEADS OF /CO/If you had 4-10 spots for a concrete/central rogue gallery for Dick, who would you pick and why?I put 10 as the max bc most decent rogue galleries usually don't rotate more than a handful of villains and in some of the bigger rogue galleries once you get into the double digits you start to see copycat versions of a character/theme that already exists (eg Riddler/Cluemaster, Penguin/every other mob boss or kingpin created since the 80s/90s).
>>154810868justify your answers
>>154811004I read Batman and don't read Wonder Woman.
>>154797860For her level of “status” wonder woman’s might be the worst. Flash has the most overrated villainsSuperman the most underratedBatman is probably the best.
>>154810996Slightly modified versions of Lady Vic, Brutale, Shrike, and Torque, Raptor, the CoO, Double Dare, Orca, and Mouse.
>>154809384This team needed more muscle and less guys that leave clues after they rob a bank. Bizarro, Sinestro and Brainiac are a pretty good lineup but Riddler, Cheetah, and Scarecrow are dead weight.
>>154808146All of Superman's evil alien villains always make for better GL villains. Henshaw, Mongul, Brainiac, they all work way better in GL.
>>154810085It's weird how you can go back and see a lot of villains really had no motivation outside of being evil, and a few more did not even have an origin before the 00s. They were just bad guys that were bad for the first 40 years of their existence.
>>154811587Some heroes also had no motivation outside being heroes
>>154811587Piper from Flash didn't even his name until at least a decade or two after he appeared lmao
>>154810472Wow, everything you said except Ultron is awesome is factually wrong
>>154810051You mean Avengers Arena cause Avengers Academy was the actually good book that got fucked over by Hopeless's shit murder fest.
>>154797860>Which superhero has the best rogue's gallery?from best to worst:BatmanSpider-man SupermanFlashGreen arrow Aquamancounting teamsx-menfantastic fouravengersLOSH>Which has the worst?wonder womaniron man
>>154810085>Black Manta is as generic as a "I just hate the hero" villain can beYeah, it's great isn't it?
>>154810996Want to pull from various runs over the years that can fill different niches + tweak some of them.>BlockbusterFor generic crime lord needs>Lady Vic For generic merc/enforcer needs. She has some parallels with Dick already so just make it obvious and keep her strictly professional.>Double DareKinda cheating but they are essentially just one person. Make them a nonthreatening comedic duo of low level thieves. Think a couple of female James Jesses from before Johns tried making him edgy. And give them sexier outfits because the high rise underwear are ugly as fuck.>Dorian ChaseThe arc was boring as fuck but Wolfman cooked with bringing back Adrian and Dick's bullshit from NTT, and Dorian can be his Black Manta/Eobard based off what happened there.>Paragon & Republic of TomorrowI mainly liked his appearance and weapons since he doesn't have anything going on personality wise + his arc was mid as fuck. But he can hold a grunge against him for putting him in prison and try to take over Bludhaven. Make Republic of Tomorrow just a villain group with named members that he's the face/leader of instead of some random villain training organization that doesn't do anything.>Frau/Elizabeth NetzI know everybody picks Mr Minos as the token Grayson villain but I think she has more potential as a mad scientist type that Dick simply doesn't have yet. Also nobody read Leviathan Dawn.>RaptorI just think he's neat>The JudgeI think he would add more to Bludhaven's lore>Zanni & ColumbinaKinda of cheating but the latter really only works well with the former. Former for a more higher level power villain and is conceptually relevant to Dick + latter is conceptually interesting parallel to Dick who provides a challenge as Olivia and Colombina. They're both more horror-esque and trippy compared to everybody else so at least they'd be unique.
>>154809713You can't say the Fantastic Four have a bad rogues gallery when it has Annihilus, Psycho-man, Super Skrull or Red Ghost and his Super Apes. Hell some of their villains are front runners in other heroes rogues galleries like with Klaw, Attuma or Maximus the Mad. Also people don't bring up the X-Men villains cause they are just dull and sandbagged by how X-Men stories have been the weakest part of the Marvel setting for 30 years.
>>154809554It's a shame cause Ultron IS the coolest evil robot they own but what makes him cool is directly tied to his characterisation and origin/narrative history which fundamentally is tied to Hank Pym and I'm not even just saying this cause Hank's one of my fave Marvel characters.
>>154812080>Putting Avengers villains below X-Men ones That's just wrong on every level even if you don't include the sneaky fact that it would technically mean you have to use every members respective Rogues gallery as a value for the overall metric
>>154802327Maybe you should a read comicbook from before 2002.
>>154800257Kinda amazing how Shredder pretty much singlehandedly carries the Turtles rogues gallery wise. Series always turns to shit when he's killed off or removed long term.
>>154797896yeah it's either batman or spiderman. superman is a contender too
>>154810996Pretty much none of the pre-rebirth NW villains are worth bringing back. Dixon era villains are absolute nothingburgers and all the post Dixon NW villains are completely unmemorable. Hell I don't even remember Tomasi's villains other than Two-Face and Ra's/Talia or what Wolfman did other than the statutory rapist. Raptor and Judge are the most interesting villains he has as villains and as actual characters who could stand by themselves, but nobody but their creators would ever bring them back. Zanni is visually interesting but is a little too high concept for most comic writers.
>>154808424It's actually pretty funny how prolific Alan's is despite them barely fighting him anymore.Sportsmaster was well liked in Young Justice and Stargirl, Grundy has been stolen by Batman, and Vandal became a general DC villain.
>>154812110Maybe he thought Magneto was better/more important than any other Avengers villain.
>>154807894For me, it's Captain Nazi.
nightwing villains in the top worst ones.
catwoman villains
>>154810085>>154812084I associate Manta as the modern Ahab, unyielding hatred against the sea.
>>154808426Does Black Widow have villains beyond Yelena Belova, random HYDRA/AIM agents, and who ever she's staying with for the series?
>>154812747Neat, I don't know any off them beyond Black Mask and Carime.
>>154800175Why is Emiko there...
>>154812891Damon Dran gets trotted out once a decade.
>>154812747Catwoman gets one of these but not Nightwing lmao
>>154812096>Annihilus, Psycho-man, Super Skrull or Red Ghost and his Super ApesLiterally who? Let's be honest here. If you ask people who don't even read comics to name the Fantastic Four's villain, they would say either Dr. Doom or Galactus and no one else. Meanwhile, people know who Magneto, Mystique, Sabretooth, Scarlet Witch, and the Juggernaut are.
>>154812078yes, the alliteration threw me off cuz I’ve gotten like no sleepthank you for correcting meArcade is based
>>154809713Half of the X-Men's Rogue's Gallery became X-Men themselves or allies eventually and all the ones that aren't racist humans who can be used in the constant mutant race war storylines get kinda fucking sidelined, which effectively makes it so their rogue's gallery is now just sentinels and five different Bolivar Trasks
>>154812743>12 Flash but eviljesus christ
>>154812743King Shark is actually a Superboy villain.
>>154813548You've still got the Purifiers, Friends of Humanity, Lady Deathstrike and the Reavers, the Hellfire Club, and Mojo
>>154813627And Flashfags really believe he has one of the best rogue galleries lmao.
>>154800627The pitch was literally "Evil Little Orphan Annie with Kingpin as an evil Daddy Warbucks" and I love that.
>>154813627And they say evil Superman is overdone.
>>154800141Sadly underutilized
>>154800175So many mistakes the artist did here.For example, that’s Komodo from Milestone comics, not Komodo from Green Arrow.
>>154813272Isn't the problem that the X-men have been adapted more times and use more characters while FF turn into Doom->Galactus every time?
>>154813722Lady Deathstrike is reformed.
>>154808227Why use Priscilla Rich here rather than evil “Tomb Raider” Barbara Minerva?
>>154812939I think that’s the post-flashpoint version of her mother Shado.
>>154813627>>154813728>>1548137485 of them aren't even evil and Johnny Quick is an evil verse of Johnny Quick, a speedster DC had before they merged with the company that owned Flash, GL, and WW. The rest are specifically enemies of each individual Flash.
>>154813853Okay, I stand corrected. Is Omega Red still evil?
>>154813843That's what I'm saying. If the Fantastic Four has a good rogues gallery, we'll be seeing more of them in movies, animated series, video games, etc. But they suck, so every time someone wants to make anything related to the Fantastic Four, they have to make either Dr. Doom or Galactus as the antagonist.
>>154813878because I don't like her
>>154799236I've always thought that the Terrible Trio would be really good rivals for Robin.Seriously. They'd be three rich college kids who are all skilled athletes based on their "land, air and sea" themes. Then their dads get busted by Batman, maybe they're Court of Owls members who didn't include their sons because they're braggarts and idiots. Then they become anti-Robins using their extreme sports background to become criminals.
>>154814060You might get lucky and get the Super-Skrull or Annihluis as a central antagonist
>>154813832Without irony. How does anybody get a gift like a racist caricature robot by aliens at the start of a mythos and squander that?
>>154812165Spider-mans rouges gallery serves him well, but other than Doc Ock, Venom, Goblin and arguably Kraven, I don't think his rogues are actually all that compelling. Batman just has too many S-tier villains to not be number 1. He's the only character with a rogues gallery expansive and interesting enough to sustain an entire multi-season soap opera about his villians without him even being a main character. Granted, that show sucked, but you couldn't even attempt something like that with Spider-man or Supes.
>>154806694Funny how Boomerang is Hulk villain Hulk fighting military, mad scientists, aliens, and..........dude with boomerangs.
>>154800441Captain Marvel is probably the most slept on, misused property that either of the big two has. The problem is, he's been misused for so long there is barely a fan base anymore.
>>154808227I don't care thiat ths is slop, that Cheetah is sexy
>>154813722>Purifiers, Friends of HumanityThat's what i meant by "five different Bolivar Trasks". Mutant-hating humans who run a death squad, only theirs aren't robots
>>154814160Ultimo is bigger and more powerful.
>>154814515You take that Boomerang slander back RIGHT NOW
>>154815380Blud's worse off than Constrictor.
>>154809384The original roster was very different.
>>154815892Dracula was in it?
>>154813973It varies now, something Kid Omega even mocked him for.
>>154815513Retard
Wonder villains
>>154816398Best or worst?
>>154800128>everyone looks like their comic version>except Jynx
I don't like playing favorites, I think every League member has something fun to offer. Though I'd like to see more non-spectrum Green Lanterns like Doctor Polaris more
>>154813272Why would I fucking ask people who don't read comics about their opinion on Marvel or its characters?
>>154812602That's a joke considering putting aside how overrated Magneto is, the fact that despite his countless atrocities and sanctimonious douchebag antics he's not a villain anymore and hasn't been for a good while now.
Top five:BatmanFlashSupermanSpidermanX-Men
>>154816106Either Abra Kadabra or The Wizard.
>>154815892Sivana and Mr Atom? So apparently Captain Marvel was in this version of Superfriends?
>>154814515Hulk also has an evil version of the FF as villains. And they have never once met the FF before in 40 years.
>>154814060Kind of like how any and every Superman movie will only really get Lex or Zod forever and ever.
>>154812739Using New 52 Nightwing is literally cheating. 90% of his history was out of continuity here.At least they tried to fix it later.
>>154817726Eventually they will figure out Brainiac is like having both at the same time.
>>154804511DC in general has too many ''Hero but EVIL'' and overlapping powerset villains
>>154813640Superman met him first and somehow nearly lost
>>154817747Anon his pre new 52 rogue gallery is also fucking garbage no matter how many times you insist otherwise.
>>154817708Actually surprising since U-Foes are a itinerant Avengers-level threat, so they just pop up everywhere working for anybody
>>154797860What makes a good villain ?a) design/costumeb) gimmick c) Motivation (how easy it is to create stories about them that the hero has to stop)
>>154818259My favorite example is the Avengers fight the U-Foes the exact issue after Reed and Sue leave the Avengers.
>>154797860Are modern writers capable of creating new memorable villains ?
>>154818341All the above. The last two are more important than how they look but a mediocre looking villain with a decent gimmick and motive is more likely to be forgotten than a great looking villain with a mediocre gimmick and motive.And then there’s a four option that’s gotten more important in the last 3-4 decades as writers have to play nice with what already exists and keep attempting to make the psychology and iconography of their heroes and villains deeper and complex.>How well does the villain fit the hero’s established lore and theme?If a villain comes along and retcons shit that’s already there they’re more likely to be hated, and if a villain comes along and twists/mirrors what the hero represents people imo seem to be more impressed by it even if everything else sucks about them.
>>154817726That's because they are easy. Lex is just some guy, no origin is needed. And Zod can share Superman's origin. They are both used so that no director needs to waste half an hour of runtime explaining where some villain comes from or why they have superpowers. They do the same shit with Doom by always making him the 5th member of the FF that turned evil.
>>154818506even if they were, there's no more societal climate to make new villains mainstream and iconic
>>154817747now remove batman's villains from this page
>>154800212this should have the justice league america black white aliens.
Who has the 2nd best rogues gallery in Marvel?Daredevil or Captain America?
>>154814549I might make more of themI'm thinking Ares, Circe, Baroness von Gunther and Angle Man
>>154818436That's pretty funny, I kinda hope that if they ever do actually fight that it's treated like a big deal and not just a complete after thought.
>>154800376who the hell cares about Deadshot
>>154797860>Which superhero has the best rogue's gallery?The Flash, not even debatable.
>>154818919Daredevil sucks. Bullseye and Kingpin do all the heavy lifting.
She-Ra
>>154810996Most people try to compare Nightwing's rogues gallery to Batman, but I'd build it intentionally as a parallel to Superman.>Luthor = Blockbuster | rich and self-serving but cares the city in his own warped way>Zod = Deathstroke | elite military background, dark mirror of the hero's father>Bizarro = Red X | steal him from the Titans and simplify Sheridan's shit>Parasite = Professor Pyg | life-leech. strips peoples autonomy in their own ways>Metallo = The Flamingo | robotic executioner, inhuman in a way>Brainiac = The Zanni | high concept, can take an entire city hostage>Mxy = Nite-Mite | not a villain but an imp is an imp>Livewire = Double Dare | sexy, mouthy>Doomsday = Talon | this is a stretch, but the only person who'd try to kill/break Dick is the guy who wants to rebuild him in his image. but he needs more autonomy from the court of owls to work.>Darkseid = Gargoyle + The Antithesis | should really be reserved for major eventsThere are plenty of other villains I like for him, but I'm trying to fit a theme and I'm capped at 10. If I had more I'd say rework Deathwing for Cyborg Superman, use Raptor as a Lobo-esque character, and bring back The Clock as an old-timey villain like Toyman. And just use Lady Vic because I like her.
>>154818786Why does everyone want to separate Nightwing from the Batman's rogues gallery, like he wasn't there when Finger laid their foundations?Two-Face is the only big name golden age Batman villain where Robin wasn't involved in the origin.
>>154810996>BlockbusterEvery city needs their run of the mill crime lord. I'm sure some writer could do something interesting with him eventually.>SylphChange her magic cloth to minor telekinesis so she stands out from most of his villains. >Olivia PearceKeep Spheric Solutions and her militarizing Bludhaven's cops. She can be his token CEO/rich villain but she stands out from the others due to her horror slant.>ZanniHe needs a higher concept villain and he fits Dick well.>HellaKeep her as the more brutal vigilante that people can sympathize with, especially with the militarization of BPD.>WyrmThis arc was fucking terrible and Dick was heavily mischaracterized and dumbed down in it, but an evil AI is a fit in these times, DC seems dead set on Babs taking up half the page time in Dick's book so might as well give her something to do, and he would stand out from all the more street level villains.>Double DareSexy thieves>Crazy QuiltToken joke villain who Dick doesn't take seriously but he also kinda has a point considering Dick made him go blind.>James JrToken homoerotic villain. Have Dick be more open to helping him while Babs is seething over him.>Talon and SaikoI'm cheating here but I'd have them create a little CoO offshoot for the sole person of killing Dick. Gives him a token evil family member, token evil former friend, and I think them bitching to each other and having a little power struggle would be funny.
>>154819830I think that they should riff on the Batfamily and give Bludhaven several vigilantes, none of which Dick gets along with or wants to work with. >HellaStaunchly uncompromising, pure black and white judgment with no concept of mercy, mitigating circumstances, or leniency.>TarantulaCorrupt and sadistically murderous. Still would, even though he'd never admit it.>Nite-WingImmature, impulsive, violent, impulsively violent, with zero indication of strategic thinking or planning.
You guys ever realize all of Spider-Man's villains are people who got great power and chose to use it irresponsibly?
>>154820115Well no, Nite-wing and Tarrantula are terrible characters.
Taylor's Titans 2023 was maddening because there was a chance for THREE new powerful villains but Taylor/DC fucked up every single one of them by connecting them to older shit.>Brother EternityShould’ve just been the leader of a space cult instead of taking over Church of Blood.Should've had 2-4 sexy underlings that mirror various Titans members.Shouldn’t have taken Blackfire’s part in Starfire’s origin.Should've had more gravitas.>NecrostarShouldn’t have been connected to Starro because having the JL’s sloppy seconds is the last thing the Titans need. Should've just been a different shape/kind of alien if you have to avoid further Starro comparisons.Should've just been a normal arc in the Titans book due to the Titans looking ineffectual in their own damn event.>Dr HateDeadass just should’ve been a new character or a character nobody has used in ages instead of making them evil Raven. And since his Titans arc in his Nightwing run was a backdoor pilot, there were technically FOUR villains he fucked up.>Grinning ManThe weakest conceptually of Taylor's four new Titans villains so not really sure what to improve on other than making him more powerful, creepy, and imposing if he's going to be empowered by Neron.
>>154820193that's what makes them Kino
>>154820193I dunno man Vulture’s power seems pretty tame to me
Silver Surfer is pretty bad. Wolverine really doesn't have that much going either considering how big he is.
>>154820690He can fly and has much power and endurance than a normal old man.
>>154819606>Why does everyone want to separate Nightwing from the Batman's rogues gallery, like he wasn't there when Finger laid their foundations?Because every sidekick requires to have their own original rogues gallery one that doesn't need to take stuff from their previous hero.
Copying >>154810996 for TimTIMFAGS OF /CO/If you had 4-10 spots for a concrete/central rogue gallery for Tim, who would you pick and why?
>>154821198He was THE sidekick, so I'm sure he can make up the rules for how it goes forward.
>>154797860Who do yall think is the team character with the best rogue gallery?ie the character has never had a solo (or if they did it was very short, like less than 12-18 issues) but the villains given to them in their team books are abnormally good or bountiful compared to other team characters.Like I think Beast Boy could have a half decent rogue gallery in Terra, Deathstroke, Gemini, Zookeeper, and Necrostar, at least compared to Raven and Starfire who just have Trigon (and her brothers) and Blackfire respectively.
>>154815892>Mr Atom>Dr. Sivana>King KrullWe were robbed! Just having Sivana would have been enough, but Atom and Krull too? Who's the blonde between Joker and Penguin?
>>154821316I can only think of Anarky.
>>154820417Brother Eternity should have just been a sci-fi rebrand of Brother Blood. The Church of Blood meets Scientology.Grinning Man was basically a shitty version of Everyman from 52.
>>154816106>>154817684I think it's Kadabra, the high collar is his trademark.
>>154821316>King SnakeDuh>LynxDuh>AnarkyDuh>Warlock’s DaughterOne of his best designed villains. Nobody read shadowpact. Can be his token magic villain.>Council of SpidersThey need to be redesigned to be more spidery though.>Cult of DionysusTerrible story but decent idea for villains. I would just give them a central figure and make their end goal more fitting of the name Dionysus.>>154821444Raven could have a decent one if they tweaked some of them.>TrigonDuh>Trigon’s sons They were shit due to them representing the sins for some reason (especially since Raven is NOT prideful) which made all of them incredibly flat. Dump that and dump all but 2-3. Have a clear leader of the group and the other one or two be followers that way they can do a starscream or a face heel turn depending on the story.>WyldHe was strange but her having some weird offspring she accidentally created and now has to deal with is at least something different compared to other Titans villains, and her not giving a fuck about him technically being her offspring could be funny.>Shadow RidersEasy the best concept of all her villains and the coolest looking ones too. They just need a central figure to be the main villain.>MalchiorI still can’t believe they haven’t made this dude canon yet. Manipulative evil wizard dragon is a cool idea for her.
>>154821316Tim has an even worse rogue gallery than Dick but nobody gives him shit because he hasn’t had a book over 12 issues in 2011.>>154821581No, because Titans need more powerful villains. Attaching a new one to a preexisting shit villain defeats the purpose. I don’t know why Taylor didn’t just make him a religious cult leader from Tamaran who just got exiled for trying to start shit.
>>154821765I see what you're saying, but that sounds redundant. Two villains with the same general themes, but one is satanic and the other is sci-fi? Why?Brother Eternity was a way to move the Church of Blood past the satanic panic of the 1980s. Make it believable as a cult that's relevant in the modern age. That was the perfect intro, Taylor just fucked it up with his twist.
>>154821444Donna TroyHyperion and the rest of the Titans of Myth (considering they brainwashed her)Red Panzer III (technically was created for her in Titans 1999, even if he's a legacy of Diana's villain)Lord ChaosDark AngelPerfectionBogeymanPerfection is a oneshot villain but is a decent premise, Bogeyman was a one panel villain but could be a decent creepy early fab five villain, and Lord Chaos and Red Panzer sucked but eh what can you do when all writers want to do for the last 20 years is write a origin story
>>154820193They are also low class nobodies that got superpowers like Peter.
>>154821765>>154821899the bigger issue was taylor leaning into johns' church of blood = trigon worshipers bullshit
>>154817695>>154821533So was Captain Marvel and his villains removed due to having a show coming out around the same time?
>>154815892I still don't understand how Joker didn't make the cut to the finished series,
>>154804596>So how many Batman but evilSeveral but they usually fail to catch on for very long.>Owlman>Killer Moth>Prometheusand of course>the Batman who LOLs, LMAOs, ROTFLMAOs even
>>154814515>Hulk fighting military, mad scientists, aliens, and..........dude with boomerangs.don't forget the EVIL CIRCUS. man did they get around in the Silver Age... but they started as Hulk villains!
>>154814515He HAD jet boots.
JSA's rogue gallery is underrated
>>154797860Spidey or batsBar none
>>154810996>Tarantula>Slyph>Double Dare>Hella>Lady Vic>Orca>Marionette >Apex Ava>Colombina
>>154818919Daredevil's is mid. He's like Green Arrow and Aquaman in that he has two good villains (Kingpin and Bullseye) but the rest are ok to terrible to basically nonexistent.Captain America's is good and is definitely their second best solo hero rogue gallery.Fantastic Four is their second best rogue gallery in general.
>>154819152Played Arkham games. Deadshot was in Arkham City and Arkham Origin. His boss fight was one of the unique ones, especially in origin, so he is cool in my book, and I care.
>>154797860Is it a hot take to say that Green Lantern doesn't have a good rogue galleryOutside of Sinestro and Hammond there's a bunch of mediocre ring guys who all have the same powers and then a bunch of non ring guys who haven't been used in 100 yearsKyle's in particular is bad and John and Guy don't even have one despite being like 50 years old
>>154821721Raven having brothers was dumb.
>>154818950I'll have to make Eviless too
>>154812891She had a long running book that's been lost to time. She fought a fucking cowgirl with a lasso.
>>154808642Okay, what A-list hero would you say has worse then?
>>154825852Deadpool
