I have yet to see an actually good indie animated seriesThey all have shit animation, terrible writing, mediocre voice acting and shoddy editing When are we going to admit that the studio system is needed>Inb4: the industry is worse1. The industry up to the mid 2010s was great2. I'd argue that even the worse studio cartoon is better than the best indieslop
>>154800109How do you even revive the studio system in the age of streaming?
>>154800109I do not for realistic panic attacks.
>>154800109You are wrong
>>154800109I have done indie shit a few years backMiserable experience. I know what I'm making is shit and the result isn't rewarding in the slightest. I just don't think good shows can be made this wayYou need teams of experienced animatorsSeasoned, preferably Harvard level writersPro composersTop notch editorsGood cartoons can only be made with an actual budget. Guerilla indie fare will always be inferior. Making my cartoon was a humiliation ritual. I'd kill to be in the shoes of a successful industry creator, hell I'd settle for glitch. They're actually climbing the ladder.I'm a complete nobody with an average life, my stories are never going to match upOrdinary people just aren't interesting or smart enough to write compelling stories. That's a big reason why wagie plots are so common. Working in retail is the most excitement many of us will ever see. Meanwhile Simpsons writers were on the fucking Harvard lampoon
>>154800117You can't
>>154800109Lack of talent in the west.
>>154800119What about retail workers and "realistic conversations"
I like some indie shows
>>154800121And you have shit standards
>>154800109I miss Dungeon Dynamite
>>154800513But enough about you
>>154800142Unironically, I liked the one in your pic. The "this was ok" kind to watch once, a bit of normality and simplicity to break away from all the other high energy or dynamic stuff I tend to watch. I can't say the same for OP's show, that was boring. I don't remember any other of this kind.
>>154800109What have you watched OP?
>>154800109>shit animation>terrible writing>mediocre voice actingShit man do you want all of the above for a perfect cartoon or what?The fuck are you expecting out of Indie animation. I'm not excusing bad aspects but that's a tall fucking ask when you start asking grade schoolers for Mozart and the Bible. Fuck even Hazbin Hotel S2 has some fantastic animation if you, say, opened your eyes. I'd argue at least most indie's have 'one' of the three done well enough.And second, Let me guess: You watched Glitch, Hazbin, and Catching up and drew your conclusion there? I might be giving you too much credit though.>Well actually I'd argue the average Marvelslop movie is better than the best Peacock Original series!What kind of fucking scale is this? The big budget Spongebob and Mickey Mouse is better than a Newgrounds Flash cartoon? Gee where did you draw that conclusion?
>>154800700Not even Greg is safe from his own murdercock
>>154800570Shit. I remember my friend showing me that back in secondary. Funny stuff for the time.
>>154800142It's okay to acknowledge your shortcomings and inexperience but don't completely crush yourself and your efforts by comparing yourself to more experienced players. Do it for you, learn what you can, and have fun with it for yourself.
I like Punch Punch Forever.
>>154800929Yeah that one is good
>>154800109most indie animation sucks because most of the people making it are either making decisions solo or have a group of yes-men who agree with stuff because it's "cool" or "funny"these people need editors or suits or just a friend who can be brutally honest that will tell them what decisions are completely retarded. but unfortunately we live in a world where "haters gonna hate" and "just let people have fun" so nobody is going to actually tell these people that their ideas suck because that's "mean" or whatever.and pretending that industry cartoons > indie cartoons is dumb because let's not forget all the dogshit canadian cartoons that came out in the 2000s and 2010s were from the animation industry
>>154801318I'll take gravity falls and adventure time and even TTG over most indie fare
>>154801318Problem is that finding writers is an absolute pain because the only screenwriters online are only looking for actual studio work. Fiverr may be viable at least
>>154801501Retard, Ward and Sugar were nobodies like Viv
>>154800142SameCurrently writing an episode right now and it's insanely demoralizing. I've been making videos for years and still can't make anything good.
>>154800142So go read the Harvard Lampoon.
>>154800371No thank you
>>154801511Not really
>>154801511First one is still a nobody
>>154801632When everythibg fails just remember, draw the hottest biggest ass tittied sexiest woman you can, and your career is saved.
>>154800109There are some "good" indie shows, but none that I would call my favorite. I think the deal is that these are all made by people who have little to no experience in making serialized cartoons, so stuff like the writing isn't going to be as polished as something you'd expect to see on an actual TV network.
>>154800142>>154803020
>>154802345Yes
>>154803055Flashgitz (Space King), Worthikids (Bigtop Burger), Joel G (ENA), Speedo (Punch Punch Forever) and Piemations (Suction Cup Man, Mike and Zach, How2Be Cool). Even if I don't like them all, they are among the highest quality indie shows creators. They struggle a lot with money tho, Piemations owns his team money and CrazyBoris stopped Dungeon Dynamite.There are also machoboyanim (anna-logue), marcocardenas2D (PxAY OFF) and sandbaganim (Blop Bros). Also great so far, but few videos, so we have to wait to see how it turns out. Make Originals, who do short, shorts series.There's another dude who seems good, but I forgot his and show name. They were like really ugly people in a mundane city. The episode I watched was the protag's little brother went to meet some online players cause of some misunderstanding. The kid and bro had like crow noses and others were just super malformed.I also want to mention Crash Maul an SFM animator who made Epic Scout, Rabid Taming Engineer and The White Spy. He's one of the best action animators out there.Lastly, I wasn't sure about putting these here, but worth the mention. Asatoshi, a blender animator who makes realistic martial arts fights with girls. And zen-vy8ce, an MMD? animator who made a short militar movie, and it's very realistic.https://youtu.be/tEQi3tEYCzghttps://youtu.be/OTLGWNruuOE
>>154803020Based
>>154800142I especially hate what the indie scene has become because now you're in an ecosystem with projects that are costing hundreds of thousands of dollars
>>154800142I would go a step further in if you don't have the funds from donation or studio backing your next best bet is industry level professionals/recent grads/anyone with formal level of training whos willing to do the project for pennies or because they like you.Which is a networking or making friends skill and I'd argue majority of indie creators don't have that skill. You're right you need IV or respected program level writers, everyone knows this. Just because it's a cartoon a script is still a script. A show that's not the most beautiful to look at will be saved by amazing writing and with the money that comes in from the attention can be used to polish the look.I have a friend who went to Harvard for undergrad then UCLA for Masters for writing. They have a cartoon in mind and wanted art, I was more than happy to provide that. The exchange? They write for me with some friends for my project and polish my horrid writing or point me in the right direction.Indie people unironically don't have a respect for the craft and every aspect that goes into it. They want to see their OC's get popular and hope if it's pretty that's enough or edgy. Too many times people have broken down what made an animated movie or show good from the writers, composers, animators, designers every aspect that made it amazing. They aren't detailed oriented.That's why something like lackadaisy is successful, from the jump industry professionals and care. The creators had been making that comic for decades, expanding their networks and when the time came she hit the ground running.
>>154800109what do you think about catching up episode 3 being about clay losing his childhood friend and his father grieving and this episode being written after mark/veronica lost someone last year?
>>154803642Not OP and dunno. But make him more cartoonishly depressed. And make them sit on a train track.
>>154803642Will be boring
>>154803605ThisYou can't get away with making the standard ol newgrounds cartoon anymoreIt has to be tv quality I fucking hate this
>>154803605>>154803877100k isn't a guarantee for views for these indie pilots. Most of these pilots piss money away and you shouldn't let these inflated budgets get you down. You can have a 100k dollar pilot flop with maybe 200k views and 0 fanbase or studio interest. What gets success is a gamble but you don't need thousands to make it big. Skibidi toilet was racking in millions of views on a cheap budget meanwhile Monkey Wrench barely cracks a million with 60k down the drain.
>>154800117AI
>>154804595Good morning
>>154800109It’s funny you’re using Catching Up of all indie series to bitch when episode 2 was extremely funny. Say what you want about LSMark but there’s a massive quality jump between episodes so he’s clearly got some talent and listens to feedback.
>>154804664I wonder what he did differently
>>154800109My biggest issue with the whole thing is that animators are now spamming ""pilots"" like some sort of attempt to be greenlit, despite having no intention to be a real cartoon. Like some sort of buzzword.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAhoRD94yo8I've enjoyed the past 2 episodes of Terminal's Nabiu little series, but calling this a pilot when it's just a webtoon being created in his leisure time and uploaded at his own pace... It's just not a pilot, it's just a web cartoon.
>>154800109Post what you concidering a good cartoon. I need to make sure you just aren't industrycuck looking to fling shit
>>154804595This wouldn't work, largely because the problem is logistical rather than production-wise. Besides, most AI users aren't interested in making a good series. They just want to generate erotic material of their waifu and make money that way, since it's a hundred times easier than sitting down and making a good story from start to finish. You think I'm lying, but consider this: despite the technology having better technical skill than 99% of artists and animators, we have seen zero actual good original standalone AI-made shows. Not even pro-AI people want to touch any AI generated series. They'd rather make AI fan art of original human-made shows. Believe me, I was actually hyped to see new AI media, but so far nothing has shown up that's worth talking about outside of being a tech demo.
>>154803642Is that supposed to be his dad?
>>154804766I love everything he pumps out, but damn is he slow to pump. I was convinced it was his passion project with all the little details he puts in including my favorite where Nabiu has to actively choose to help in the dialogue box and she does because that’s her nature. I can imagine it pissing off button mashers if this were a real game though
>>154804672Listen to feedback?
>>154804664It’s shit from an ass and even if it’s “an improvement” this show still sucks donkey balls.>>154803642>guy whose favorite cartoons are Family Guy and Fairly Oddparents is going to try an “emotional” episode>as if he has enough human emotion or empathy to even write something like this
>>154800109People need to undestand Indie shows are structured exactly like the "studio stystem" and that's a bad thing. Indie shows need to move away from the same formats that tv/streaming have. You'll never make a full season of an animated sitcom with indie budget hell even streaming services are having a hard time making seasons longer than 8 episodes every three years. A lot of this guys want to be show runners more than they actually want to be artists/creators. It's infuriating watching YouTubers looking for writers and storyboarders fot their shitty projects. Motherfucker you're poor you're barely starting write and storyboard this shit yourself it really is the bare minimum. Literally whos, expecting a whole writer's room working for them on their first pilot on YouTube. ToonrofiqTariq has FDSignifier as a writer for his show. WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU PAYING SOMEONE THAT DOES POLITICAL AND RAP VIDEO ESSAYS TO WRITE YOUR CARTOON!?Keeping the same structures as TV but without any money to back it up just ends up with a shitty project made by a bunch of artists that are getting exploited worse than if they were working for the big baddie studios. Make short stuff limited animation experiment a little. A lot of this guys want to have their cake and eat it too.
>>154805370Streaming services don't make seasons longer than 8 episodes due to corporate decision and not from capital loses.
>>154805370It's mainly because standards for internet animation have risen exponentially for both audiences and creators since Hazbin Hotel. People want 30 min runtimes, fluid animation, TV quality writing all on an indie scale and it just isn't possible
>>154804835Doubt it. He's supposed to be half wolf half cat or some bullshit
>>154805370Because if it isn't tv quality it will just be ignored or ridiculed. This isn't the 2000s internet anymore sadly
>>154804766It helps the Al Gore rhythm
>>154805871Coincidentally, Kid Wizard keeps a close style to that era, and you can see he isn't very popular. But you know what? I think that's perfectly fine.
Actual animators seem to be working for japanese companies now.Whatever talent exists in the West is already leaving for the industry that already had the talent in the first place. Apparently dogshit japanese wages still beats no money.
>>154804835not clay's dad, but the dog guy being voiced by robert capron, the episode is gonna be a bunch of flashbacks and shit after they found out he's dead
>>154805871This. Why would I waste time even on a bunch of subpar shorts? That will likely just be retconned anyway if you get a budget. I want actual TV grade writing/pacing/animation or I don't want it at all, plain and simple. You don't make compelling art any other way. If I have to wait 2 years for 6-10 episodes so be it I guess.
>>154800142>Ordinary people just aren't interesting or smart enough to write compelling stories. That's a big reason why wagie plots are so common. Working in retail is the most excitement many of us will ever see. Meanwhile Simpsons writers were on the fucking Harvard lampoonThat's the complaint with many cartoons coming out of Hollywood, that it's the same story being told by rich kids who attended CalArts. I thought the indie scene would fix that, now that people from all walks of life can publish their own stuff, but it's still the same core ideas being retold.
>>154800142>>154807040The reason why the indie scene has such piss-poor writing is because a staggering amount of would-be writers (scriptwriters or artists doubling as writers) do not read enough books, watch enough movies, or read enough scripts. On top of that, everyone is paradoxically encouraged to "write for yourself" while also "writing what you know" which means the inevitable end result is:>extremely mundane and uninspired>very amateur>excessively self-indulgentThere's a reason why Kojima and Araki both stress that creatives (regardless of the medium) NEED to constantly read in order for their writing skills to improve. You may not be a fan of either, but you can't deny that they've gotten better at writing as time has passed on (compared to when they first started).
>>154800142>Harvard level writers>>154800142>I'd settle for glitch.
>>154807136If you think Araki is a good writer you did not read Jojolion. Or any of his manga.Steel Ball Run is his best work, but even that suffers from shit writing choices like Alternate Universe Diego.
>>154800142>Ordinary people just aren't interesting or smart enough to write compelling stories. That's a big reason why wagie plots are so common.>Working in retail is the most excitement many of us will ever see. Meanwhile Simpsons writers were on the fucking Harvard lampoonYou mean the Simpsons where the writing was direct, unaltered plagiarism of many other sources from the Twilight Zone to romcoms to plays to TV adverts?The Simpsons where when they modified what they plagiarised it often made the story gibberish and unrelatable, like Kang and Kodos not wanting to eat humans because haha subversion?The Simpsons where instead of working retail, he works at a "factory", has a stable income, can afford things, has a wife and 2.3 kids? Damn, imagine living in a world where writers wrote what they knew and wrote constant divorce dramas for rich families that always end happily...Seriously, why are you praising Matt Slop Groening? His shows are prime examples of the mediocrity of cartoons that kiss the soles of daytime television as if it's jesus's feet
>>154807313>You mean the Simpsons where the writing was direct, unaltered plagiarism of many other sources from the Twilight Zone to romcoms to plays to TV adverts?It's not about what stories are told but HOW they're told.
>>154807313>2.3 kidsYou can't divide humans
>>154807374Many ape together sticks
>>154807136You improve writing skills by writing. They aren’t writing enough.
>>154807410Sticks it in your ass
I think even with limited life experiences, and even if they don’t want to read, modern indie creators still have a wealth of stories to take inspiration from, or just straight up steal honestly. Stealing something cool and swapping a couple things out is still better than pumping out ANOTHER furry wagecuck SoL
>>154807574steal stuff that failed and make it better.Not the most versed but i honestly think a lot can be done with capeshit if you aren't constrained to pre-existant characters and tropes.
>>154807574>>154807601>pick up fantasy book>replace teh word sword with penis>???>win award
>>154807574Honestly - listen to memoir audiobooks. It gives you someone else's intense life experience, you don't have to read (if you're that lazy), and it gives you a foundation for realistic dialog.
>>154807628There's a manga series called versus which is just someone's fanfic about their favourite niche and common anime genres except with a budget. Seems to be working well in spite of the premise being utterly retarded and a mess.Any idea can be good, you just need execution
>>154807679>you just need executionShieeet, really?YO! EXECUTE THIS NIGGA SO WA CAN HAS GOOD TOONS, YO!
>>154800109Chimptopia will save us
>>154807410
>>154807679>There's a manga series called
>>154808257Good one
>>154800570Same
>>154808394You're a Jap, Sonic.
>>154800142>That's a big reason why wagie plots are so commonI am tired of characters working in a bowling alley or fucking McDonalds. Indies should adapt comics or webcomics about medieval/D&D Fantasy.
>>154810508Why are millennials always so whiny?
>>154810508>I’m really talented and have amazing ideasPlease show us all of your incredibly original ideas that aren’t shallow copies of existing media. Give us literally anything to actually back up these claims. I’m sure you’re an incredibly talented tortured artist who never got his shot, and definitely not a talentless autistic loser who has never made anything worthwhile in his entire life.
>>154810508You will never be successful. Your dogshit show that you desperately want to gain attention while you whine and cry about actual successful cartoon creators on the internet will never get off the ground.
>>154810992>>154811504Envious of an obvious shitpost. lol you no-talent zoomers are so predictable. Go back to being a perma/beg/ on /ic/.
>I WAS ONLY PRETENDING TO BE RETARDED GUYS>FUCCCKKK I HATE THESE SUCCESSFUL INDIE SHOWS SO MUCH
I just want something to scratch the itch of Astartes or Stickman fights. Just give me badass dudes and duddettes fighting it or shooting it out in well animated scenes. I don't want grossout humor, or newgrounds inspired scenes, or the funny cartoon wacky face men saying FUCK, I just want violence and action.Fuck you GW where the fuck is astartes 2
>>154811639>>154803338
>>154811647I'm really not trying to be dismissive of any recommendation but outside of the two animators at the bottom the rest are the exactly the kind of thing I'm very much not interested in and was complaining about.
>>154811639Go watch Murder Drones for kino action or lore autism if you want that.
>>154811699Murder Drones is great, kino indeed Love me some supernatural eldritch horror shit in sci fi, and over the top action
>>154811639>>154811716
>>154807136I genuinely believe if you don't read books your writing will be neutral at best and dogshit at worst.
>>154811670You missed one
>>154811716Am I the only one not scared of Cyn? I think it's because she's a cartoon character. If she was a monster from a live action movie or show I'd be more freaked out. I mean, imagine live action Cyn puppeting the rotting (?) corpse of live action Tessa. I feel like that would be way more effective due to the realism.
>>154800109>The industry up to the mid 2010s was greatImagine being so gay and contrian that you believe this
>>154803338I can't believe I forgot to mention Alan Becker (AvA).There's also two projects in production that I'm interested to see: sonattz (Brain Dead) and lamb of god (Cassandra Project). And another one I'm not so excited about other than the fights, 2kdoplr (Brooklyn Broke the Universe).https://youtu.be/704_zpw7lZcThere are some standalone stuff, cro-boy9896, airchan_ and cernatdavidsidenis4373https://youtu.be/qO0s-veK7Kchttps://youtu.be/homUNIU5R28
Lastly, I haven't watched these, but were recommended to me before. Endzone and Law of Talos.
>>154800109>Indie animation is low budget and made by amateursNo shit. What I don't understand is why it all feels so sanitized and generic, as if they've got marketing guys and producers breathing down their necks.
>>154811991Either that's what they want to replicate or some sort of rebeling against dirty animation
>>154811991>What I don't understand is why it all feels so sanitized and genericThere's an established indie meta now and people try to follow those trends.Also, since we are several decades deep into modern cartoons, some younger artists are creatively inbred because they have only consumed cartoons and anime, instead of a mix of different media.. literature, theater and so on.
>>154800109>shit animation>mediocre voice actingUntrue. I'm not saying indie cartoons are any good, just that you're obviously wrong.
>>154811824>Am I the only one not scared of Cyn?no, it's very much intentional.the goofy murdery eldrich abomination is a goofy goober
>>154808394>good on you for calling out the chicken shilling>bad on you for using a plebbit meme
>>154812329*chink shilling
>>154811832i'll argue this shit counts, even tho the assets are not originalhttps://youtu.be/lGJBUauU-CE?t=223
>>154812418It countsI purposefully left him out cause I don't deem it worth recommending
>>154800109Space King kicks ass and I liked Planetronika (in part because it was pretty short and focused). My three biggest complaints with indies right now is that they're way too long, way too corporate, and are far too similar to each other. Very insular types of people keep making the same show saying the same things and every indie pilot now has to be a 20 minute+ ordeal that conforms to network standards, it's a big drag. Nobody wants to step on anyone else's toes because if you rub someone the wrong way you can potentially blow up your whole career even if it was a complete nothingburger to anyone normal.
>>154800142>Ordinary people just aren't interesting or smart enough to write compelling stories.That's horseshit. I'm in my 40s and can remember when we had to use this thing called an "imagination." The shit my friends and I would play on the playground in 3rd grade had superheroes, monsters, aliens, all kinds of things. No screens to make us retarded.
>>154812628No, in your days you had to hit your head on the pavement to become retarded, like all the other kids.
>>154800109What exactly convinced people that they'd be getting tv quality work on a YouTube budget?
>>154812639No, we ate paint chips
>>154811824>Am I the only one not scared of Cyn?She's not "scary" in the traditional sense, most find her cool and entertaining and even strangely cute. What's horrifying is her exceptional casual cruelty and doing the most terrible shit to people while being a goofy little autist. I don't think most people find Cyn genuinely scary, she's just a really good antagonist.
>>154800142>Ordinary people just aren't interesting or smart enough to write compelling stories.Extraordinary people aren't writing plots for cartoons, nor are they writing for hollywood. Those "Harvard level writers" are sheltered faggots whose most amazing life experience was having their parents pay to get them into Harvard. So they end up being even worse than an ordinary person as a writer, because their entire perception of reality is colored by never really knowing any genuine struggle or hardship.
>>154813498Classic simpsons and futurama was built on harvard grads
>>154811824I'm not scared of her as in I'm afraid of her on screen. As a concept, she's horrifying. On screen, she's more entertaining.> imagine live action Cyn puppeting the rotting (?) corpse of live action TessaThe worst thing is that it's not Tessa's rotting corpse. The Absolute Solver entity assimilated Tessa's body. It's fully capable of assimilating and manipulating biological matter, just like any other matter, and does so frequently. Tessa's flesh is fully alive and functional, and actively bleeds blood. It's not a desiccated rotting corpse draped over a robot, it's a robot possessed by an eldritch void demon fused and merged with the body of a human girl who said demon promised "I will not discard you"
>>154803642Who is this show for?
>>154813696That was 30 years ago.
>>154814067And?
>>154810982>>154810992>>154811504>So jealous they had to report and delete the postAHAHAHHAHA. Gen-Zers proving everyone right that they don't want quality cartoons, they instead want shit memes they can post on TikTok and to pretend they're having a social discussion over like a soccer game.
>>154811729>>154811699>>154811716>Gen-Zers PROUDLY revealing themselves.Without the angry lesbian robots please.Murder Drones feels like it's written by a gen-Zer, not a gen-alpha, but a gen-Zer like from Digital Circus.>>154811639Here you go. Actual Stickman Fight kino arted and storydriven by millennial Chads without the bullshit.Why is it so unpopular and not ever discussed on /co/? cause /co/ got overrun by Hazbin wannabes and GLITCH Tumblrinas like Rinka Chan or Runka Chunk as the Chads love calling her for her CHUNKY features.https://www.youtube.com/@gildedguyhttps://www.youtube.com/@gildedguyhttps://www.youtube.com/@gildedguy
>>154814166They actually had to read and write at Harvard back then.
>>154800109I like day job
>>154813498Oh my God oh my fucking God the level of redneckness coming out of this place. Godddamn the level of stupidity and know nothing from jealous gen-Z South Americans.Harvard 30 and 50 years ago was an actual good school unlike SCAD.It wasn't a community college neither a college where you literally pay for your diploma and pretend you're smart like many other colleges you heard of these days. They didn't allow special eds into their midst just because their politician daddy paid the tuition and bribed every teacher.It's not their fault you gen-Zers are the most unimaginative and uneducated generation that's only comparable to the 1880s but without the lgbtq lies.
>>154811832I forgot another great one, Krinkels (Madness Combat).
>>154814313>>154814376>>154814831Shut up, vogelcuck
>>154815150Notice how you don’t refute any of the points made
>>154815150Who?
indie slop are literally proof that capitalism is the best system. Good shows use capitalism to create great animation, great storytelling, and get millions of fans. Communist cucks are the indies and they can only make tranny furfag degenerate slop.>inb4 seething communist trannies start pretending indie is better
>>154815520The greatest cartoon in the indie scene promised so many things without satisfyingly delivering on anything, actively mocked and punished fans wanting something deeper with the lore, stole money from the government to push said degenerate slop, and ultimately amounted to propaganda for modern therapy which has been the source of many of society’s ills as it stands now
>>154814376There's no gays or lesbians in MD and the only romantic relationships are between straight males and females. But I think you already knew that and just want attention.
>>154816216>promised so many thingsbut it didn'tyou can't fault Glitch for retards making up headcannons for years and then getting mad nothing they imagined came up true
>>154816442I suppose not, but what really pisses me off is that they did take years to make something that in retrospect had no substance to it. You can’t fault them for imagining something to eat when the entertainment industry makes it a point to hollow out everything that we love.
I wish Bedfellows was more succesfull
If anyone has more indie martial arts animations to share. Extra points if they are realistic
>>154811639>I just want something to scratch the itch of Astartes or Stickman fights.Anon the RHG era is over.
>>154807253nta the point of bringing him up was that he improved, also hard disagree on Jojolion
>>154818106Realism is shit
>>154816216>TADC >The greatest cartoon Seriously?
>>154820569So you can't consume anything that doesn't have bright colors, ridiculous worlds and characters screaming like bitches everytime they throw an attack?
>>154820582Gen-alphas are mentally insane. The first thing they see which grants them brownie points by their peers and pisses off their older brothers and parents, they clinge to it like flies to shit.
>>154820696TADC is a show that I like to call "30 minute writing prompts". You get hints of something major, the fans fill in the blanks with amazing ideas, and the end result is either nothing happening or a crumb that will be interpreted as validation. Just because the pilot hit 400 million views doesn't mean it's the greatest thing written, only that it's popular. Popular doesn't inherently mean good writing. Hazbin Hotel is the biggest example of this, with TADC being a cut above. Even then, the show ended up being a story about repressed gender dysphoria. I seriously question if anon related a bit too hard about wanting to take estrogen that he's calling it "the greatest indie cartoon"
>>154820769Is it the one woth the biggest budget tho? Like which one costed more, Hazbin or Circus? Whole season that is
>>154820769You'd think with all the fanfiction the Hazbin, Helluva, Murder Drones and Digital Circus fanbases wrote... that they'd at least pay the $30 a month and band together to generate a new AU show based off their fanfiction. It's sad how the older generations appreciate AI while gen-Z completely trash it and gen-alpha is 50/50. The only difference between the true gen-alpha and gen-Z is that ... gen-alpha don't pretend to be millennials and gen-Zers ... gen-Z still clinges to trying to be millennials and gen-X, but completely misunderstanding them entirely. Older millennials just do their own thing clinging to video games gen-X has made. Millennials outgrew cartoons and are focusing on video games instead.
>>154820827Saaaaaaaaaaaar
>>154820808I would say the former. Glitch does not have the money Amazon has. More has been pumped into marketing Viv's gay demon show than Glitch ever shilled Digital Circus. >>154820827Some of them are making AU animations using the characters but the problem is the pre existing Glitch fandom is AIDs. The fight club AU show barely got off the ground and even then, cringe autists still fling past fandom drama at it to make it flop. I do believe maybe someone out there will make something derivative that will shine but not right now.
>>154820873SAAAAAARR what Saar? stupid 16 year old luddite that still uses chatgpt to cheat on tests and blames the AI when the teacher catches him.
>>154820904Show me ONE ai animation that comes toe to toe with say, smiling friends animation quality I'll fucking wait
>>154815461What points?>Muh Harvards grads were the best look at The SimpsonsThe worst thing indieslop has done was put out a mediocre IHNMAIMS rip off. Your previous Harvard graduates set humanity back decades by lying about nuclear energy.
>>154803338>There's another dude who seems good, but I forgot his and show name. They were like really ugly people in a mundane city.Bridgekids is funny as hell
>>154820889I'm glad I wasn't part of the Hazbin Hotel fandom like with the MLP fandom.Imagine for 6-7 years the fandom creating their own better fanfiction around the show with 26 episodes per season... and when the show actually airs ... you get something that feels like every DeviantArt millennial's fanfiction from the 2000s without any technical writing expertise in him.When I heard Amazon was in charge and they even fired the indie voice actors I thought that they were also going to shove some industry writers down Vivziepop's throat so Medrano can actually make something acceptable, but nope. This is why everyone calls her an industry plant. I don't know what kind of ghostwriters they gave her, but they're absolute dogshit.Feels just like Helluva Boss where literally Vivienne and Seth MacFarlane are the ones writing it and it reall does feel like nuFamilyGuy meets the most boring DeviantArt user possible.Seems to be exactly like Microsoft that bougth Minecraft for the money laundering and tax write off and forgot to fire Jeb & friends and put some actual talent in charge who can program worth a shit. Executives seem to have gotten too young and lenient on everyone instead of tardwrangling everyone for their own good. These aren't artists, these aren't creatives, these are talentless ugly special Eds people. I want to punch Jeb in the face whenever he complains about "being sold to Microsoft" then quit you swedish retard, just fucking quit. Piece of shit getting paid IBM-tier salaries a month and the swedish talentless hack is complaining together with all his little retards. I wouldn't have gave him a cent and I wold have held him accountable for eating into my profits. That's the kind of parent-executive-boss relationship this new generation needs. Markus Persson gave him too much money when he gave him 1 million out of 2.6 billion. Jeb and his group should have been sent to Bangladesh to code from a village on a laptop.
>>154800142Congratulations Anon! You just won the Most Bootlicking Post today on 4chan! To collect your prize, jump off the nearest bridge or tall building, they'll be a crowd of Harvard educated writers ready to workshop your absolutely ass idea for a cartoon
>>154800109Cause many of the creators are Frickle as fuck who can't take criticism well See gooseworks and how his fans and viewers basically drop him after the lackluster ending
>>154821089Prove him wrong, faggot
>>154800109I wanted to say that you guys are being way too harsh on indie shorts, indie pilots "pilots", since some of them are actually way better than trash like Adventure Time and Steven Universe ...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJsTa55AAjEhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ltzQznquXchttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vffu6FG4YP4But I had the same exact opinion when Netflix cartoons released and I said "Wow finally a good art style... now let's check the writing, voice acting, dialogue ... aand it's shit, but hey still better than TTGO and Adventure Time".but then I took another look at most 90s and 2000s slice of life shows ... and sitcoms ... and even some 2010s gems like Dan Vs and Mao Mao... and no, no. The technical expertisee between a talented gen-X and older millennial is night and day from an indie show. These 20-30 year olds have no idea what they're doing.Imagine right now if Pigs Next Door was an actual indie cartoon released in 2026. Since it is only 13 episode long, that's an accomplishment for shit today that's barely between 6-9 episodes PER SEASON. Animation truly is dead. Remember when Gargoyles had a 52 episode season? yes 1 season with 52 episodes 21 minutes each.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjkyLVT7KdQ&list=PLKcySiKEb_PFQ0rdcL_DnRrcBfUAWMMnl&index=4
>>154821089You know I'm rightYou all say you want animation to be independent but you all crave the high budgets, the tv writing, the weekly release schedules, the celebrity voices, the prestige of it all
>>154821194Fuck you
>>154821194>>154821239>samefaggingIt's cool, anon. He knows you're right. You don't have to pretend to. You know how browns would rather have a heart attack than ever admit they're wrong about something. including AI being beneficial for saving indie animation.
>>154821250>Le everyone i don't like is brownYou can tell the other is brown when he uses this as an argument.
>>154820769I meant it as a diss akin to “the happiest man in Ohio” or something like that. I’m fuming that this is supposedly the best thing “indie” animation can come up with and it’s still somehow zogged out of its brains because it relies on (Australian) government funding
>>154812628>No screens to make us retarded.What, you never grew up with tv or games?
>>154821298>Being brown doesn't matter when it comes to mental and emotional issues.You can tell the other is brown when he uses this as an argument.
>>154816873Too bad, Rodfellows is the new hotness.
>>154821189Sinking Road? More like Stinking Road, pee-you!
>>154800142what if people just make them just cuz they want to? Maybe it doesn't have to be amazing. Hell it could just be a storyboard. If it appeals to a certain crowd (assuming they see it) then they'll come and find it.Tamers12345 is unironically a great example of this. It just goes to show it's not the tools you use, but what you make of it. He uses MS paint and Microsoft Movie Maker, yet even he managed to acrue his own autistic following. So maybe you should focus less on being a corpohomo and focus more on telling the story you want to. Yeah it'll take longer but shit happens I guess.
>>154822108He better stays obscure
>>154822108This hippy dippy attitude may have worked 15 years ago but it doesn't work like that anymore There's no pride in making shitty looking garbage. Some of us have self respect and want our work to actually be goodYou can make your shitty Eddsworld tier cartoons all you want while the rest of us make real shows>Inb4: but EW is popular Gould got popular because he got in early. Had he started now he'd cap out at 500 views and probably would have quit and found a non art job
>>154800117Merchandising, baby!
>>154800142Use hard drugs and get into numerous life threatening situations to become inspired and something more than ordinary.
>>154800109I miss indie cartoons when they weren't all just trying to do/be Vivziepop.
>>154822173this medium is meant for more important things than a hollywood budget
>>154822108I told Tamers to fix up his act and try to become the next South Park, but the "kid" and his brothers wouldn't budge.He still refuses to STOP using that old as fuck text to speech and use the proper AI for all of his stuff like he uses for Celestia but better, he refuses to use voice changers. He still refuses to stop using copyrighted music and just compose things that sound similar to it.He still refuses to stop the gay shit (ironic since South Park had plenty of gay shit) and concentrate on the jokes and less on the farts (ironic since South Park also had lots of farts)But it's honestly the text to speech that bothers me the most cause that's 90% of the appeal of South Park where Trey is forced to talk in a quick as hell almost chipmunk voice so he can get the damn dialogue done cause South Park is aired on Comedy Central which only allows for 21 minutes unlike Tamers that goes too insane with 60-90 minute episodes and does nothing productive with them just like South Park messed up with its own pacing with the "specials".And then we do have Trey who THINKS he's cleaning up his act after the first 3 seasons only to not stubbornly listen that South Park really isn't very good between season 4-8 like he thinks it is.And then we have another Pokemon x South Park rip off from 2013 where the guy also refused to get a proper script writer and some actual voice actors to do his shit. People mainly don't like it cause he's unironically to edgy and gory and it doesn't mesh well with the attempt at humour he tries. He barely gets like 2/7 episodes done correctly in terms of humour. He also ran into the same problem nuSouthPark ran into where if you don't have a script meant for 71 minute of screentime then don't fucking stretch your 15 minutes worth of plot into 71 minutes.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cl0X9BzsgTo&list=PLEfDln1it4CiZToKsy9VtXo9Kz9RxWNcY&index=7>>154822364In English this time.
>>154800142The problem is indies always are targeting everything.Stop making animation with designs "for kids". (four fingers,wearing hats inside of cars,etc)Avoid "wagie plots". Ask ChatGPT about jobs nobody knows about but they pay well, where you can have lots of free time and still have income that could explain how these people can sustain themselves.Avoid subversion, LGBT themes or therapy sessions.
>>154800109It's the audience that is the problem. https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/154610271/#154610271
>>154800142If you can find joy in creating just get a regular job faggot
>>154800142I have a sci-fi novel coming out you can adapt anon. It's bananas, but would look awesome in animation.
>>154824037How do you write a novel in a banana?
>>154823345cannot*
>Then OP said something so offensibly stupid that I bopped him in the head
>>154823345There's no joy in creating trash
what do you guys think of ersatz
>>154800142I wonder how anime can do fine with most screenwriters not even having degrees
>>154825509Short anwer: it doesn't
>>154825538it does if you're not a nigger honestly
>>154825548It doesn't and you are a brazilian nigger. Most anime writing sucks ass cause they let the original artist write it instead of shoving some intellectual writers down his throat like they should.There aren't many intellectuals in Japan, they're too busy doing technical engineering work rather than reading intelligent cultural books that opens their mind ... and the other half are busy jumping off a building from working themselves to death and their parents leaving their kids to go buy groceries for themselves at the age of 4.
>>154825509Anime writing is not that goodEducation in Japan is better and animators usually finish high schoolScreenwriting in Japan is taught much better than in the USSo it’s just having a better baseline
>>154825797>usually finish high schoolWith or without the diploma? :^)They indeed have a better baseline if we got all their autism. I wonder how much of a sperglord you to have to be in Japan or even China to be diagnosed as genuinely autistic when most of them behave and think like 10-14 year old rednecks and sometimes 6 year olds in terms of humour.They don't write like Canadians at least ... again if we ignore their 12 year old maturity. The most maturity I've seen out of a Jap is 17. They don't behave and write like people who went to college. Their level of philosophy is that of a 14 year old, both their males and females have the same shitty mentality and level of education. They all behave like a combination of 14 year old geeks and 14-17 year old rednecks. They have some decency like not adding farts, shit, etc. like the Canadians but Japs are autistic in other ways.>>154825764Just like Amazon did with Vivziepop... they should have shoved good writers down her throat. I understood that Helluva Boss is funded by herself and written by the idiot behind Family Guy (who hasn't worked on it since the first episode) , but I thought Hazbin Hotel was going to be different. They really need to crack down on these dumb kids and teach them some guidelines.Something tells me that Amazon, Netflix, etc. ran out of good intellectual who are willing to work on DeviantArt Hell spaghetti.
>>154825872a better baseline if we ignore* all their autism.
