>AI has arrived and it improved enough to have quality singers, voice actors and show-accurate art yet nobody who matters is making anything and /co/ is 90% dead since the hack.So for the remaining anons here ... why haven't (You) used AI to make your own pitch bible, comic book, theme song and cartoon? You haven't even used it?
>>154817132Like with digital in the late 90s AI will be implemented and animators and creators either will have to adapt or go make indie cartoons and beg people to watch and have merch already ready to be shipped. Either way we're in a transitional period for tech and animation, complaining online really isn't gonna do much if execs have their eyes on the money.
Because animation's a dead medium, why make new shit with AI when they're already trying to do already proven and existing franchises with AI? You really think they're going to get some autistic manchild on an imageboard to do it when Disney already has a team of business people experimenting with a way to output Mickey Mouse and Pixar AI slop?
why haven't you?
>>154817132I'm not particularly pro or against AI but from what I've seen in order to get good results from AI you need to put in effort. It's not just a magic wand you can wave, you need to adjust your models and your prompting in order to get a good result. Plus, you need to be able to compile all those results into a coherent thing. I think that we will see good AI shows and media but to be honest its not the revolution AIfags said it was going to be. But people being hysterical over the use of AI are going too far. Street Xitters were criticizing the creator of Mystery Flesh Pit for using AI in an image, like get over yourself
>>154817132I can't prompt
>idea guys now have a magic machine that will make all their wildest dreams come true>still cant make anything
>>154817132Ehhh, I just make my own pr0n.
>>154817496Huh? How can you not prompt? That's silly! Anyone can prompt, Ren! Actually there are multiple countries that aren't part of the European Union and America which cannot prompt. Yet irony have it that India can, but China cannot use American AI services, neither most South American and Middle East and African countries, go figure.And the remaining users on 4chan are from South America and Sea+Asian countries.
>>154817504Saw someone say that the better part of working on a project manually is that it gives you enough time to stop and realize what you're working on is dogshit, so unless you're a stubborn hack you can drop an idea and work on something else Prompting takes time as well because of the way generative Ai works but there's less time to realize your idea sucks dick and you should scrap it for something else or improve on it later, so most Ai projects are going to suck unless there's some genuine creativity behind it
>>154817132>approximate cost to have a fully made series through AI that doesn't look like ass>token cost is so high I'm literally better off just commissioning actual animators
>>154817132>why haven't (You) used AI to make your own pitch bible, comic book, theme song and cartoon?Because the last guy that did still half-assed it.https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zmcEuocbSMAPH0Cdu0neR7qOYrOad6dB_PXEnPRM24Y/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.yhj497on3epm>inb4 i get called brazilian for pointing this out
>>154817707>Anon who never prompted in his life says lies on the internet.>>154817132Hey. There's an anon making a comic book for free right now.>>154774817
>>154817132Because slop consoomers are inherently incapable of creating anything worthwhile. No amount of technological progress will ever turn their shit ideas into gold.
>>154817752This comic looks like ass lmao.Also anon you do realize that AI animation in particular is so fucking expensive even OpenAI couldn't keep their primary site for it online? There's a reason why even series that use AI only use it for certain aspects instead of making the whole thing. AI as a whole literally isn't financially viable; it's already hitting a plateau long before the point where the vast majority of AI services would be able to actually make a profit.
Because while you're thinking of doing it, there are Disney Execs already getting random jeets to do it for much cheaper.
>>154817805>Brown person lying out the ass. >>154817774So why haven't you?
>>154817859>random jeets to do itThat's been happening to R&M's animation for ever Bardel-produced episode. A hefty chunk of their episodes got subcontracted to jeets, chinks, and spics.
>>154817880>ever*every
>>154817862>So why haven't you?Because it looks like shit, can't keep consistent for long even in the strongest models, and for how much effort would be required to solve the previous two you might as well just make it normally.
>>154817132>So for the remaining anons here ... why haven't (You) used AIThey have no idea how to use it because they tried it once 3 years ago and never tried it again. 99% of them are under the impression that you need a GPU and to know programming to know how to be an AI prompter. Most of them also can't be arsed to learn how to use cloud services to generate images via proxy GPUs when you DO need to train your own model and character-specific model. However that's in the past now (as long as the investors don't suddenly stop playing hot potato with the money and suddenly you do need to own a 24GB VRAM GPU minimum and nowadays we have 32GB minimum). All the models have already been trained so you no longer need A100s and H100s with terrabytes of VRAM.It simply a matter of many have tried the unfinished stuff in the past and stopped. And those who did try it again noticed that you *le gasp* have to actually put in effort , which is still exceptionally little effort put into compared to drawing backgrounds and animating scenes yourself by hand. A background that would take 7-10 days can be generated in 7-10 minutes. I will mention the other major problem about AI once we all acknowledge that 99% of the people *who matter* AKA the people with actual ideas haven't even tried it yet. Manly veteran cartoonists in their 50s.>>154817805This Anon here has never used any AI services in his life.
>>154817937>drawing backgroundsI won't lie when I say Steve Dildarian made a smart choice generating the backgrounds while he drew all the characters himself. Backgrounds are my personal hell too.
>>154817132>implying anyone would actually use AI to create anything they cannot profit fromYou are pretty dumb. Also AI is really bad. LOL
>>154817989It's good at coding, but that's about it.
>>154817989>>154817805>lol>lmaoHello, millennial woman. Pajeeta? >Obsessed with moneyPeru?
>>154817937lmao if anything you said was true AI series wouldn't look like slop every time. This is a technology that devours itself; it cannot maintain the consistency required for good animation for long. Oh, and have fun when that market bubble pops in like a year or two and suddenly AI services are dying left and right. Estimates are the current AI industry and models would need literally 10x the userbase and income they have right now to stay afloat within the next few years, and they're already hitting plateaus because their improvements are getting incrementally smaller while cost gets exponentially higher. Enjoy your novelty while there's investors are willing to front the costs because they think we're like a few months away from making skynet or some shit.
>>154818016A pro-AIfag calling people out as South American, eh? Surprised you haven't called me out for shitting on your half-assed "pitch" yet. >>154817719
>>154817997Even in coding it's better as an assistant. Entirely AI codebases have a bad tendency to eventually become borderline black boxes that require complete rewriting to actually expand on.Source: I literally work for an AI company where they have strict instructions not to entirely vibe code projects because it eventually leads to massive delays and bugs we can't fix without rewriting the whole thing.
>>154817997It can definitely kick most javascript kiddies and pajeets' assets when you put the AI to code in an ancient language no newfag has heard of, but for security you do not want a literal gambling blindfolded man doing work from memory.It is far more useful and faster than begging a streetshitter to learn Assembly though.It is fun for creating video game mods for obscure games though. Infinitely more dependable than most modders who take 4-7 years to make 1 tiny mod and then refuse to release the source code and delete the entire project cause either they got swatted or their wife left them or their job pays far more and nobody was sucking their dick accordingly for doing hobbyst work.However an intelligent well accomplished IBM-tier programmer who knows what he's talking about will absolutely kick an intern and a blind codemonkey's ass anytime of the day within 5 minutes compared to the AI taking 5 days to debug itself because of all the blind trash code it generated.I'd still take the clanker over the javascript zoomer who shits his pants when it's time to code physics and math.
>>154817132Costs $1 per second at 720p.Unless you map out every last detail of everything on screen, you're going to get weird shit in the background or your character suddenly has blonde hair for 12 frames.I've been trying to recreate old cartoon intros but in real life to post to Youtube and the number of generations I had to straight up discard vs keep is like 20:1.
>>154818076Problem is without those zoomers you can't get any more well accomplished programmers. It's a genuine problem that we're creating a fucking stopgap in the industry where there's no beginner level programming jobs but everyone wants experienced programmers. When the previous generation retires, we might be fucked.
>>154818069>Entirely AI codebases have a bad tendency to eventually become borderline black boxes that require complete rewriting to actually expand on.Makes sense when you think about, since I hear LLMs (even the smartest ones) get dumber the longer you chat with them>>154818076>It is fun for creating video game mods for obscure games though.That's exactly where I find AI's most useful, especially in regards towards emulation. I'm 100% keeping it in mind that LLMs aren't bulletproof when it comes to security, so if I intend to code seriously, I could at the very least feed official coding guides into an LLM to help guide me through parts of code I don't quite understand yet.
>>154818028>>154818021>lmao>yourCalm your tits, crazy Chilean fujo. I'm not him. Fujos are freaking nuts, man.
>Why haven't you used AI to do stuff that people are perfectly capable of making without itBecause I'm not lazy, OP.
>>154818124>I'm not lazyWell let's see it.>Huh?Your work, let's see it.>Inb4 nuh uh I signed an NDA
>>154817937>>154818092So lets use this anon here as an example. Let's assume like a 12 minute cartoon.>12 minutes = 720 seconds = $720>20 reject generations = $14,400And that's presumably with the benefit of having an original material to recreate.
>>154817132It only makes shit, if you don't understand that then you are a hack who shouldn't make anything
>>154818092>>154818140Can /co/mblr lesbians who never used AI in their life stop pretending they know what the fuck they're talking about? >>154818140 those are the wrong prices.I'll go ask /g/oogle it like a normal person and also ask /g/ while I'm at it.
well where are these great ai cartoons then
>>154818159Have you used it within the past 7 months?
>>154818163They fucking suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck. There was this one animated AI movie made in some country with a bunch of spics, and even the spics hated it LMFAO.
>>154818159AI is actually really useful because it distracts the uncreative boring people so they don't try to compete with actual artists and creators. It's like jingling keys to get a toddler to shut up.
>>154818163In anime obviously where Japanese aren't afraid of the robot.
>>154818161Anon the cheapest ai animation is around $.50 per second of animation but has a failure rate that means even more failed generations. It really sounds like you don't even know what you're talking about.
>>154818206The first "95% AI" anime movie not only did and reviewed horribly, but also literally had to have actual animators go over the final cut to make it look good anyway lmao.Ironically the most praised aspects were the voice acting... which had literally 0 ai involvement at all.
>>154818161>>154818219>Googled itDon't fucking AI Google things through Google. The Google AI is lying out of its ass. It's $30 a month for 30 , 10 second generations a day and it depends on how much their GPUs are being used when you generate. I have someone who's been prompting for a year now. The AI is good if you give it a reference like a 3D animation so it understands what it actually has to do and so it doesn't hallucinate your forest turning into a beach.
>>154818268>The first "95% AI" anime movieLink it or give us a name, anon.
>>154818279People said the same thing about CGI in the 90s Anon. They said it was just gonna die out and 2D was gonna remain the main source of animation, and see where we are now.
>>154818295Twins Hinahima
>>154818300CG and AI aren't even remotely close. Sony's marketing has referred to their Houdini usage as "AI", but that has more in common with a powerful node-based script maker than any LLM you can type prompts into.
>>154818279It's $30 a month for 30 , 10 second generations a day 300/60 = 5 minutes a day x 30 = 150 minutes a month. So not bad, but you still need either 2 months or to have multiple instances running. Still faster than 2-4 years it takes to animate a movie.
>>154818161Maybe I have a bad deal, but if you want non-watermarked generations made quickly that's about the price you have to pay or pay $500/mo for an unlimited subscription if you're really going all in. 4k costs way more than 720p too.
>>154818313Explain why Pixar just laid off a chunk of their artists and Disney invested billions into AI? Surely not a coincidence is it?Similar things happened to the 2D animators at Disney too, they got laid off and a bunch of CGI animators replaced them. It's just a matter of time Anon.
>>154818279>The AI is good if you give it a reference like a 3D animation>No guys it's really good you just have to give it something someone already madeThanks for proving my point. Also>It's $30 a month for 30 , 10 second generations a day Accounting for failed/incorrect looking generations it will literally take you longer and more money to make a full industry length episode that way than it would to just hire normal animators lmao.
>>154818300Uhh... nothing I said was trying to be contrary to 3D animation? Anon are you a bot or English isn't your first language?
>>154818339Katzenberg fired most of his employees over AI, and he thought Quibi would be a roaring success.
>>154818326>300/60 = 5 minutes a day x 30 = 150 minutes a month.This is assuming every generation is usable. Realistically if you want something that doesn't look like ass you're getting maybe a few usable seconds per day, if that.
>>154818340Are you retarded or just really dumb?
>>154818339>Explain why Pixar just laid off a chunk of their artists and Disney invested billions into AI?Because investors and execs are retards who think AI is like a few months from creating IRL cortana and want to get it on the ground floor. The reality is the AI industry is hemorrhaging money and these investments are the only thing stopping it from exploding.>Similar things happened to the 2D animators at Disney too, they got laid off and a bunch of CGI animators replaced them.This happened because the 2D animators unionized lmao.
>>154818367Put your money where your mouth is. Go make a like 5 minute good animation by the end of the day and post it here anon. Go on, if it's so easy it shouldn't be much of a problem.
>>154818383>This happened because the 2D animators unionized lmao.And now the CGI artists are doing the same thing huh. Guess time really is a flat circle.
>>154818310Too many frames for the japs.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSoutamXPIQ>>154818163https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVT3WUa-48Yhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWZOEFvczzAAnthropic and OpenAI are too dumb to partner up with Netflix and Hollywood.
>>154818394Execs will do anything to avoid paying people.
>>154818161IIRC seeing someone spamming seedance 2.0 they said it's something like $10 per 15 seconds of animation (AIgen videos also handle sound generation) so that's $880 for a raw 22 minutes of video, but the problem is no consumer AI can handle 22 minutes of context in memory for video generation involving multiple characters.So you'd really need to do thousands of prompts and stitch together the best results if you were purely using the best video-gen AI available to consumers right now, and nobody's spending 100 grand per episode on slop when that's surpassing the per-episode cost of hiring an actual studio.
>>154818358>a few usable seconds per dayYou mean a few usable 40-60 seconds a day. It's a huge amount of frames and a very short amount of time and that's only 1 instance running when you could be running multiple at the same time on different accounts/subscriptions.>5 and 10 second generations per clip only>only a few seconds are usableYou really never used AI in your life, have you? There's actually a technical problem with you said there which I won't reveal yet, but anyone here who used AI knows why that's technically incorrect.
>>154818421You got lied to, man. Or maybe you're the one lying to me. You got ripped off badly or you have bad reading comprehension.I'm pretty sure he meant $10 a month, 15 seconds per video with between 3 to 10 videos a day. Nice English, by the way.
>>154818437>It's a huge amount of frames and a very short amount of time and that's only 1 instance running when you could be running multiple at the same time on different accounts/subscriptions.First of all, you're going to already have to mix and match from various generations to try and get anything near consistency, having to generate the same scene over and over to finally get it right and consistent. Secondly, that's not gonna happen using different accounts/subs because that'll annihilate what consistency you do manage to obtain.>There's actually a technical problem with you said there which I won't reveal yet, but anyone here who used AI knows why that's technically incorrect.Very curious as to what it is seeing as you seem convinced you can keep consistency across all that time and multiple different clip generations.
>>154817132Should I hear it in old Dale voice or original Dale voice? or Rusty ShackleFord voice?
>>154818458>manThat's a woman, a brown one too. Can Seamonkey /co/fags please stop pretending they know what they're talking about? >>154818421It's clear who used AI and who didn't.
>>154818489>tfw I have to intentionally handicap my AI to make something bad so people can chalk it up to a child being new at art just so they'll say it has soulI don't think this proved the point you think it does anon.
>>154818383>they got laid off and a bunch of CGI animators replaced them.Ironically, a few Spumco animators such as Ron Zorman transitioned into CG animation.
>>154818474>Very curious as to what it is seeing as you seemNice English. So what's technically incorrect about it is that you cannot technically reuse just a few seconds from an already generated 10 second clip cause if you attempt to mix and match just a few seconds of clips it will have a different timing, angle, perspective, color grading. Nevermind the lack of consistency between entire clips like you just said where you have to pretend the cameraman simply changed the scene and you notice immedialely how bad the transition is.For that you have the 3D rotoscoping and AI redrawing an entire video in a different style which anime and that rock paper scissors video already did. The lack of consistency is because the AI has no idea what you're talking about and it is running in blindly.It's exceptionally hard for an AI to have real memory and real context since it's literally noise gambling.
>>154818552>So what's technically incorrect about it is that you cannot technically reuse just a few seconds from an already generated 10 second clip cause if you attempt to mix and match just a few seconds of clips it will have a different timing, angle, perspective, color grading. Nevermind the lack of consistency between entire clips like you just said where you have to pretend the cameraman simply changed the scene and you notice immedialely how bad the transition is....Yeah so my statement how you'll probably get at most a few seconds of usable, consistent and good footage from the whole week's budget of animation is right.
>>154818458You could be right, I never went beyond local stable diffusion myself. To get to the bottom of it, I went to the Seedance site. A 720p 15 second animation is 165 credits using their 2.0 model, and Seedance's basic subscription gets you 700 credits a month. Since nobody will try making a show on the basic plan, I'll do my math with the Ultra plan ($140/mo) which gives you 7200 credits. Generating in 15 second/165 credit intervals, you'd be able to get about 11 minutes of raw generation a month. If you manage to have a retention rate of even a very generous 10% for stuff they stays passably on model, it'd run you about 150,000 credits to make a single episode of a show with aigen. Considering the acceptance rate for hundreds of broad-context AI videos with original character designs is really more like <1% it still isn't feasible, but the pricing varies from an incredibly optimistic 20k per episode in an absolute best case to again ~100k+ more typically.>>154818489> Thinking creating a single still with quality tagging is the same as half an hour of consistent animation.Do not project.
>>154818632No, that's not correct, again. You will have exactly 5 seconds or 10 seconds of consistent animation. Are you sure you're not AI yourself?That's why some prompters prefer longer clips, but even then ... good prompters prefer just the character animation without the background cause often times the longer the AI goes the more it can mess with the background IF there's any background changes and you do not specifically tell it to not mess with the background. Also AI ironically has an easier time with complicated 3D scenes rather than simple 2D scenes. For some reason it can understand 3D better.
>>154817132Ai voices are always the biggest tell. They don’t speak like people. Maybe you’re too autistic to notice.
>>154818672tl;dr: Even with the best model possible and some good consistency luck on the model, it still costs roughly as much as making a full indie pilot to make an AI animation that's probably half the length.
>>154818720Not even good consistency luck, GODLY consistency luck. The sort of luck where you'd be better buying a lottery ticket and using the winnings to fund the pilot traditionally.
>>154818687You were saying? https://vocaroo.com/1lo8KQr9l5Tuhttps://files.catbox.moe/u31r72.wavhttps://files.catbox.moe/qjzfpe.mp3https://files.catbox.moe/gs99y9.mp3I think most people who actually use this tech are just retarded... like all zoomers.
>>154818761>Click one of the links at random>It's assYou've watched too much modern SAG va'd work.
>>154818720>>154818751>>154818672>Using Davinci AIAgain not the real price. And who the fuck uses Davinci AI?>Why do you keep calling it thatCause those are the owners. Did you know that you can use non-official websites to get more models in one spot and cheaper too? And again why the fuck would you use DavinciAI?Look if you want to learn what AI is actually capable of then head on over to /g/ and start asking for examples there./co/ isn't the place for it... this place is deader than dead.>>154818761>I think most people who actually use this tech are just retarded... like all zoomers.They are.>>154818783Very retarded.
>>154818813You showed your ass posting that shitty audio and thinking you can brute force a consistent video output style across multiple models for multiple minutes. Just pack it up, Indianon.
>>154817132So what blew up this time, every time AI has a big problem the shills come here and post the non stop.
>>154818874Just the same old dame oldAI companies once again asking for more data centers and saying they need more money to make AI viable
AI used by people with actual vision (not brown people) can actually produce good stuff at random.If anything I think and I tend to agree with the jew. This technology should be outlawed, only the smartest people should be allowed to have access to it. Only the most artistically inclined. /g/ should help people who actually have ideas. Animators who actually read books and don't want to animate a ballerina and a rock climber for the #35645 time. Those who matter know who I'm talking about. And writers who actually bothered watching a kung fu movie in their life to understand some choreography. I don't mean you should become a jack of all trades since that's the whole point so technology stops requiring 5 NASA-tier degrees, but I mean you should have some basic goddamn common sense in each field when making something.There is one more thing ... the money carousel will eventually stop ... and you will have to buy a GPU. Luckily not a 100k dollar one, just a 2k or 4k one... since all models and LoRAs have already been trained. Oh you don't even know what a LoRA is? Again, basic common sense, basic knowledge in ALL the fields should be required for a cultured person to posses this technology.So when the money carousel stops no more free generations, you can RIGHT NOW generate FOR FREE. IF your phone number with facebook and google account isn't globally banned by all AI services. Hello, Bhutan. Else? use a different proxy service ... or buy your own GPU and learn how to local prompt with downloaded models & LoRAs.I agree, not everyone should be a prompter. Not everyone is an artist, especially not those 3D tracing fags and fetishfags. Sheesh imagine tracing off a 3D model and calling yourself an artist. Or imagine an artist who has nothing intelligent and sensitive to say. No perspective. Literal Grug with a crayon. Except even Grug at least drew what he saw IN REAL LIFE BY GOING OUTSIDE, something most "artists" and prompters no longer do. GO OUTSIDE
>>154817132>>AI has arrived and it improved enough to have quality singers, voice actors and show-accurate artMay I see it?
>>154818923>>>/g/
>>154818813>No no, those aren't the REAL AI you'd use>I know better ones that can do it cheaper!>What are they? uh>idk go look on /g/
>>154818687>>154817132Yes, the technology is here, but 4chan is sleeping on it. Also 4chan is dead. Also 4chan was never good.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fH-BNwBV4EI&list=RDfH-BNwBV4EI&start_radio=1https://4stats.io/>>154817521Yes.>>154818915Agreed.>>154818783That's good, dumbass. Sounds better than your Adventure Time zoomer voice actors, Jake the dog not included, John sounds good.Because they're slopping up the place with their bad generations and when they do get something decent the contrarians screech that it's too perfect or inhumane.
>>154819386Chris Reccardi is rolling in his grave right now.
>>154817132I'm learning other skills. This week I'm crash coursing in programmable logic controllers and next month I'll be taking a Python class, which will be very useful in the realm of locally running models.
>>154817752Horrible comic
>>154817521that cannot be an accurate representation of s4 Stimpy, looks like a still taken from a particular pose. Anything before S3 is good
>>154817132Because anyone with an idea worth making knows how to make it without throwing a bunch of money and time at AI trying to get it to vomit out something that looks kinda right.
>>154819403and he didn't roll in his grave when Zone used Flash to animate porn of his pilot and when /co/ said Zone should do an animation on it?CN and Chris Riccardi would be using AI to get his show off the ground.
>>154819449>Because anyone with an idea worth making knows how to make it Book writers would like to have a word with you.
>>154819461Reccardi was still alive in 2013.
>>154817752Stiff poses, zero emotion, duplicated poses, inconsistent details (still), depth of field and chromatic aberration for some fucking reason? amateurish composition at best.It's SHIT. AI bros simply do not have the experience and eye for detail to realize why it's shit. AI may have solved the "being able to draw" part of art, but if the prompter isn't an artist, that's still going to show. Take a fucking class, read a fucking book, pick up a god damn pencil.
>>154819477Well of course there are a lot of people that can make art and have no ideas worth making, but that's the opposite problem.
AI is for fags and brownoids.
>>154818923With /co/ you end up not knowing anything about the most popular shows in existence, let alone best examples of AI which is covered in mountains of slop till you get to the good stuff. Good stuff doesn't just naturally surface up cause people have no taste. It will take forever till we get a 100% from start to end presentable AI animation on the ready for cave dwellers.https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/154663357>>154819171So why can't you post an example? Yeah see? there's the problem. Living under a rock under a cave. We've had endless threads on /co/ about anons bitching against Rise of the TMNT, but when another show called Tales which had a superior art style, superior writing, superior animation came ... /co/ went silent./co/ unironically keeps you away from good stuff even if it's relatively popular.We've also had endless threads about the shit CGI series from 2012 by gen-Z.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_4N8xEG_1w&list=PL0YkhmyFeTXKQmaZBn0vmWjtDHj7YWKcUThis place is cancer.
>>154819547What thefuckNo that's it. Stop right there. What the fuck did that post have to do with what I just said?ARE YOU AI? Am I talking to an AI right now? No, even an LLM would make more contextual sense. HELLOOO, ARE YOU MORE AUTISTIC THAN AN LLM?HABLA ESPANOL?DO YOU SPEAK ENGLISH OR SPANISH? Portuegese?
I was all for AI until they started pulling off this shit.Just imagine if someone started buying up old comics, just to destroy themhttps://x.com/hot_rails/status/2081930598655086782?s=46&t=NjEpoYDCj3zIRKevn95G5g
>>154819651Yeah you know all those post apocalyptic settings where modern day is "the ancient world" and nobody knows who we were or how we lived?This is how that starts.
>>154819730I think people don't even want a neural network, they want a friend who can do stuff.
I'm too moral and too much of a perfectionist
>>154817132Prompting isn't creating. There's no value in prompting something and trying to share it with others as your own creation.
>>154817197It really is all dead, isn't it?
>>154819777Tracing 3D art and copypasting the same head and facial features on the same body is not art and has no value.
>>154819777>prompt me a cure for cancer ai
>>154819861Ok? I'm not arguing in favor of that.
I'd like to say there is a risk of producing everything with AI, something that is a near-certainty because it's cheaper (and always will be; you pay for software, not a team of laboring humans.) But it just doesn't concern me. It doesn't concern me because I believe between observable demographic shifts, the impending competency crisis (these things are related), large complex systems like global economy and politics collapsing (they operate off century-old models based on entirely different demographics and other, basic things no single person could ever change the trajectory of) and more, I think AI produced content is really the least of our concerns. The sort of people who will populate a majority of the globe within the next century will have been the same stock who didn't produce anything noteworthy to begin with, including art. They will maintain things (badly) that they couldn't invent and it will please them because the izzat lies not in making art, but in possessing it. In expression of power. Can you imagine a future where Ed Edd n' Eddy ISO files in an old SSD are the era-equivalent of rubies and emeralds, something that exists within a fat neo-sultan's coffers, where he never actually looks at it because the value stems from his ability to ward off access to it form those around him? I can. You can't fathom just how deeply and thoroughly the human race is going to be humiliated before it's permitted to gracelessly expire.
>>154819621>So why can't you post an example? Yeah see? there's the problem. Living under a rock under a cave.Because they don't exist you malfunctioning bot.
>>154817132Because such things are creative projects, and I would want to handle it creatively. AI just isn't a creative medium, it's just a tool to create products. It's like hey, we finally made a motorized vehicle that can tackle bike trails, and it's like, that's not the point of bike trails you dunderhead.
>>154820257You Retard. Pure and simple. >>154820304Anon you never created anything in your life and you're not a creative type.
>>154817132The only acceptable uses for AI would be redubbing the Avatar movie and King of the Hill reboot so the voices sound right
>>154820339Ok so where's your magically cheap, ultra consistent models? Or hell, that five minute animation I asked about earlier. You've had more than enough time.
>>154819651jesus fucking christ.
>>154820076Ok AI and please remove your "—" or replace your "—" with "," . I'll still tell the others I wrote this with AI, but it's to prove that anyone with a little common sense can fix the default AI style of doing things.Saved memorySaved memoryHere's the breakdown again, no em dashes this time:1. "I'd like to say there is a risk of producing everything with AI... you pay for software, not a team of laboring humans." Simplified: AI will almost certainly end up making most things, because it's cheaper than paying people, and that cost gap won't close.2. "But it just doesn't concern me... I think AI produced content is really the least of our concerns." Simplified: Still, that doesn't worry me. There are bigger problems coming, population changes, a growing shortage of skilled or competent people, and huge systems (the global economy, politics) that run on outdated assumptions nobody can fully control or fix. Next to those, AI replacing human-made content barely matters.3. "The sort of people who will populate a majority of the globe within the next century will have been the same stock who didn't produce anything noteworthy to begin with, including art." Simplified: The author claims the groups who will make up most of the world's population going forward come from backgrounds that historically didn't produce much notable art or innovation. (Worth flagging, this is a sweeping generalization about entire populations, not a factual claim.)
>>1548203984. "They will maintain things (badly) that they couldn't invent and it will please them because the izzat lies not in making art, but in possessing it. In expression of power." Simplified: These future people will use and poorly upkeep inventions they couldn't have created themselves, and they'll be satisfied with that. Why? Because for them, status ("izzat," an Urdu/Hindi word for honor or prestige) doesn't come from creating things, it comes from owning and controlling them. It's about power, not craftsmanship.5. "Can you imagine a future where Ed Edd n' Eddy ISO files... his ability to ward off access to it from those around him?" Simplified: Picture a future where old cartoon files (like Ed, Edd n Eddy episodes saved on an old hard drive) become as prized as jewels, kept locked away by some wealthy, powerful figure who never even watches them. Their value isn't in enjoying them, it's in being the one person who can keep everyone else from having them.6. "I can. You can't fathom just how deeply and thoroughly the human race is going to be humiliated before it's permitted to gracelessly expire." Simplified: I can picture that future clearly. And I think humanity is headed for a long, deep fall in stature before it eventually, and messily, comes to an end.Overall, the piece argues: AI replacing human-made art or content isn't the real threat. The real threat is a slow civilizational decline, driven by demographics, a "competency crisis," and creaking old institutions, where future generations will possess and hoard culture (like old media files) as status symbols without being able to create anything comparable themselves, treating access and denial as the new form of wealth.
>>154818720>Even with the best model possible and some good consistency luck on the model, it still costs roughly as much as making a full indie pilot to make an AI animation that's probably half the lengthIs it? Are you sure? Family Guy costs 2 million per episode.Simpsons costs 5 million.Standard production costs for an 11-minute episode of a 2D cable animated show generally range from $250,000 to $400,000 per episode.An indie production, at lowest tends to be 66k.
Let me guess, a staff member made this thread and is lazily bumping it
>>154820686Because of what happened last year in April I am no longer afraid of being doxxed. No wonder the jews took over the world, there's not even a fight like in the olden days.
>>154820339>Anon you never created anything in your life Projection is a sin, anon.
>>154817132>why haven't (You) used AI to make your own pitch bible, comic book, theme song and cartoon?Because it would make me feel even more soulless and numb and that probably would be one way that finally causes me to end it all successfully
>>154817132>/co/ is 90% dead since the hack.What hack?
>>154817774This. I’ve seen “concepts” made with AI and it’s the most C+ community college screenplays or story ideas. It’s almost like anyone who is or was gonna make anything worthwhile didn’t wait for some magic snake oil to come along and do it for them.
>>154820885Maybe if what happened in April last year actually mattered, people would've cared. Instead it was just a blip where a lot of posting went uninterrupted because people just immediately went to archive boards or the IRC to continue as usual. Only the newfags and tourists were affected by it.Besides, it'd just give them what they wanted anyways. Those fags have just been endlessly desperate for relevance and to be seen as a rival board or whatever. A big reaction is what they were hoping for, to validate themselves. The fact that everyone just shrugged their shoulders and continued on as usual is way funnier and spites them more than pointless shitflinging. Hell, if someone brings up the hack, it usually is just one of them trying to keep it relevant and have ANY kind of impact, and people just do not care.
>>154817774>>154820967Seconding these. If you were creative, then passion already would've driven you to make something in some capacity. Even for the people that are fucking moneybrain-rotted, you can clearly find some success even if you don't have technical skill as long as you have vision. Look at how One Punch Man became a huge sensation, and it's originally made by a guy whose linework and backgrounds showed minimal technical skill, but it worked because of sheer vision that came across in its fantastic paneling, framing, and so on.
>>154820924You're retarded and spineless. >>154820968Yeah so it showed just how spineless and content everyone is and how all the sane and smart ones already left this place.>Only the newfags and tourists were affected by it.Those are the ones who stayed, you dumb newfag(tard)got. (since only newfags call others newfags thanks to the newfags imitating oldfags and poisoning the well, The Thing tier bullshittery on 4chan, oh wow no shit)
>>154817521Why is Season 4 dogging on Season 5 so bad.
>>154821286>You're retarded and spinelessRetarded, sure. Spineless? Yes, but that's only because I keep choosing not to push forward with the projects in my mind with the tools at my disposal. Drawing tablet, editing software, camrecorder, VCR, etc.If I ever truly live, it will mean that I let go of my fear and insecurity and make something that I can actually say that I made
>>154821344When you make your shit. Post it in an AI thread, wait an hour to say you didn't use AI at all. The rage will be hysterical.
>>154821414That'd be funny, an uno reverso.
>>154818069I'm so glad I just quit my tech jobI don't even mind maintaining code bases, I like it even, but maintaining a code base that is 90% tech debt is a fucking nightmare.
>>154821344Better not let your mother hear that if she's anything like my own mother she'd fucking murder you on the spot with her very own hands if you had the ability but you were too lazy, insecure, lacking confidence. My dad is chill, it's also why he is where he is. No ambition.>and make something that I can actually say that I madeI'm not brown, immature, etc. so I understand that there is no *I* in team unlike many many lunatics out there like Glean Keane and most animators.For some reason musicians understand this 100% like it's second nature, but visualfags ironically are incapable of visualizing working together with other people. And nowadays imagine being incapable of working with fake robots.
>>154817132AI is for faggots that hate art, creativity, effort, and soul. AI is objectively not art and it never will be no matter how many retards and submissive faggots say it is.>>154817161Absolutely not the same.
>>154821579>I quit my technology jobSo what are you doing now? Isn't tech your whole thing?
>>154821621The fact that you want to suck off so many big corporations that are destroying books stealing water doing all this crap and then censoring the output is incredible. Now if you're supporting AI as a technology and you're using the open models that's cool but if you're one of these bums that loves Donald Trump and the flock camera 1984 bull crap that's happening right now go jump off a cliff. You AI supporting freaks support the worst most evil companies and then you say oh that's capitalism when they literally are pirating everything. That's not capitalism that's theft, is one thing to like the tech and use it it's another thing to sell your soul to the literal devil of these giant oh and by the way Jewish controlled organizations even though you're trying to be all right way and nonsense. I see all your crap all the time is all the same you want to own the tranny artists by giving the Jews all the power to rape your ass what a bunch of dumbasses
>>154821286>Yeah so it showed just how spineless and content everyone is and how all the sane and smart ones already left this place.uh oh, melty detectedYou will never be relevant
>>154821661Funny how chuds went from stealing memes to prompting things using stolen material. Like poetry...
>>154817132Because I cannot run the technology locally in my domestic infrastructure, that I own, with my money.AI is accessible as a service because is expensive in resources. The provider eats that in exchange of billing. Being a consumer in this model just gives more power to the insane people at the top. As long I can't install a small model in my lab and actually own the artifact, is not integrated into my workflow.
>>154821781Don't worry, in a few years you won't even have the online models available anymore
>>154819861agreed
>>154817862>So why haven't you?even if I did you'd never be in the circles to see itand to me that is what mattersyou dont deserve it :3
>So for the remaining anons here ... why haven't (You) used AI to make your own pitch bible, comic book, theme song and cartoon? You haven't even used it?I have. 4chan is just so negative about everything that I'd rather keep it to myself. Those who matter will actually use it accordingly.If I was a 10 year old I would have been prompting 24/7 out of joy. Now despite the thing being free I wouldn't prompt it beyond pleasure unless it offered money (despite the fact I haven't even attempted to start a Patreon). I'm pretty sure any starving gen-X would do it. Here is a question for you to which I'll pretend I won't know the answer to:Why is it that gen-X and millennials are so much more neutral towards AI and even accepting compared ironically to gen-Z and gen-alpha who seem to despise it with all their passion despite gen-alpha not even having jobs?
Ostensibly you people are fedoralard mega atheists yet you continue to create stupider religion for even dumber people
>>154821781Or you can just put effort and create something with a box of scraps. Numerous people have done that before.
>>154821809that's why I have various local models stored in HDD cold units. When the first model was leaked here, I knew I had to fetch and save everything thing that I could.This place is essentially ground zero of all of this stuff.
>>154821870>free planI like Claude as much as the next guy, but its token limits are fucking BRUTAL. Plus I find that Opus 4.8 and 5 give me the best results overall. (Though, I largely work with reverse engineering ROMs as opposed to anything crazy.)
>>154821870Millennial and Gen X hate it too.
>>154817132I would but I keep getting prompt blocked by the woke police and I'm too stupid and poor to run an unrestricted local AI on my shitbucket PC
>>154819386>That's good, dumbass.It's self-evident that the slop audio you posted is shit, you're not going to convince me or anyone from a nation that's potty trained otherwise lmao
>>154821904>getting prompt blocked by the woke policeSame here, except for grabbing raw streams from streaming services and making no CD cracks for shovelware.
>>154821735>its projectingJust say that you hate comics and art bro. We understand since you hate creating anything of value so you pretend a machine generating shit tier images is considered "art".
>>154821888>This place is essentially ground zero of all of this stuff.The only thing this place loves pretending it's not complete shit at ... that and having "honest" criticism.
>>154821904>>154821923Draw it yourselves, lazy faggots. Then you wouldn't get cucked by the woke police.
>>154821936>Draw it yourselvesBut I'm not prompting AI to draw, but rather things where AI is most applicable. (Code, and nothing else.)
>>154821930>it's projectingI'm not your bro, tranny Thing. Keep your disgusting projection to yourself, close the PC monitor and stare yourself in its reflective screen.
>>154821900>Lies by zoomers
>>154817132I actually have to thank AI. It helped me realize that there's no audience for animation and it's all a big marketing fest and popularity contest and a social experiment nowadays. Nobody cares.I think the moment an indie show comes out which has actual good writing, animation, designs then people will ignore it cause it's an honest to God good cartoon show and it isn't a meme fest full of tranny psyops and "The fandom is 70% better than the show, the show is just a sandbox and an excuse for us trannies to socialize like our Digital Circus and Helluva Boss".
People who care about TV Shows shut up and watch in silence.Those who pretend to care about TV Show go on imageboards and bitch about it in a sick twisted sense of camaraderie where they're actually enjoying the slow car crash together.
>>154821605Well, I've got FIRE money, so I don't really need to do anything, but I'm planning to open up a small business making supplies for one of my hobbies. It'll involve machinery, but very little computers.
>>154821900Millenial here and I don't hate it. There shit about AI, but growing up from analog to digital, I know change is coming and you must adapt.
>>154818421or just the ai to animate the inbetweens
>>154822401That would be my approach on using AI. Make it do the inbetweens. It can't be worse than when people were doing tweens on Flash animation.
>>154817132>>154804078You never truly realize how dead the indudstry is until you feel it on your own skin and I have to thank the AI for that so I don't dump 200k dollars into an animation pilot when I could have bought a central apartment for that kind of money or opened a tiny actual profitable business. So I also don't waste 6 years of my life on it.Only for some pipsqueak to call me cringe and for me to get 0 views on it or 10k botted views with nobody replying back what they liked about it and my Patreon and investors still empty.I think you either become the marketing scammer that promises grand things while ironically creating a sandbox environment for people to frolick in... or you die homeless taking crack like one of those anons said in that thread.
>>154821870> 4chan is just so negative about everything that I'd rather keep it to myself.The negativity doesn't affect me and I actually revel in it... as long as the retards don't delete the threads.What is however much more bothersome is the lack of replies. It also shows that 4chan is dying. I posted my AI stuff on /v/ and I got a shit load more replies and a lot more successful threads than on /co/ where you're literally talking to yourself. That isn't to say /v/ isn't a massive shithole as well, heaven forbid they actually talk about video games they've played which isn't Fortnite and Overwatch, but the whole appeal of 4chan to the average fag is that you actually get replies on the faster boards unlike Twitter where nobody notices you despite your huge (bot) following. Same deal with DeviantArt, they follow you, but they don't engage with you. And TikTok has the same problem Youtube has, nobody sees your video. I've often times tried to search my own video with the exact title and I did not find the video.
>>154822455>thanking AI>for anything Only fags do that.
>>154822401>>154822419Or just do the in-betweens yourself.
>>154822641Okay, fag. :^)
>>154821944Ok trannyfag.
>>154822358"Adapting to change" and "submitting to objective mediocrity and destruction of creativity" are two very different things. Only real thing to do is bomb the data centers, gatekeep the fuck out of aifags, and gaslight the ai to shut itself off.
>>154822657Ok fag. ;)
>>154822607> I posted my AI stuff on /v/ and I got a shit load more replies and a lot more successful threads than on /co/ where you're literally talking to yourselfThose anons have objectively shit taste, and so do you pajeet.
>next to 0 AI art being posted in the AI art>""""Dall-e 3" thread is also barely making 1 post an hour.No, it is absolutely because fags refuse to use it. Not because it's hard or any bullshit like that. Also most of them lack ideas beyond the crossover and lewd slopfest you see in the "drawthread" that's been dead since the hack after it's been revealed all the hardworking drawfags were from Mexico. Go figure.
>>154822688Whatever you say contrarian liberalfaggot.
>>154822701Fags are the ones using ai though.
>>154817132I tried, more so out of morbid scientific curiosity than having any actual faith in the technology. In the time it takes to actually get the results I'm looking for I could have just done it myself or found a workaround if I couldn't
>>154822706Ok pajeet.
>>154822714What were you trying to do?
>>154817161Anon, "AI" I mean chatbots with google shoved up it's ass, are a clear and present danger to all IP and media as a whole. Why would anyone care about a cartoon when we're a year away from just typing "make cartoon" into a prompt and having 8 seasons of a show shit out complete with voice acting and music on a cheap laptop? The human element is the only reason to get into and important to them BUY into media. And with the last decade or so of heavy social engineering and being openly dismissive and hateful towards the vast majority of their audience, their customers...I don't see this ending well.
>>154817161brown hands typed this post
>>154822841Pretty much anything I could think of, when I said it was easier to just do it myself I was referring to making images, when I said it was easier to find a workaround if I couldn't I was referring to music. Even just having it make song lyrics it would always come out clunky as hell. The only thing AI has been of any help to me with is writing stories, and even then not for the reasons you would think, because the AI never gives any good suggestions, but explaining to it why its suggestions don't work a lot of the times gives me a better idea. Sure you could do that with a human, I know plenty of humans that give just as stupid of suggestions, I once showed a human a treatment for a superhero story where his suggestion was to take out all the action scenes, but a human will only tolerate you shitting on all their ideas for so long before they get fed up and tell you to fuck off, so that's it, that's the one decent use of AI in my opinion: being so stupid that my brain goes into overdrive to save itself from the stupidity
>>154822869All posts that bring up AI as better then human creatives and the future are from poorly paid jeetts employed by anthropic openai....but since google and microsoft are entirely indian. It's more then likely them.
>AI has the potential to completely change life for the better, permanently>it's instead mainly being used by uncreative lazy people to generate garbageGrim. Dark, even.
>>154817132Using AI slop engine to create shit for you is like reading a second-hand summary of a book and behaving like you've actually read that book.
>>154817132>why haven't (You) used AI to make your own pitch bible, comic book, theme song and cartoon?Because I wouldn't be making those things.
>>154822885So you did it the Sherlock Holmes & Watson way. Yeah that's a thing where you bounce ideas off of a more dumber and subservient person. The thing is that the AI can at least come up with dumb ideas unlike most ESLs here that can't even give you dumb ideas because they're too proud and paranoid that you'll shit on them.However half disagreed on the images, namely the backgrounds ... albeit if you want detailed backgrounds you need to pay up or generate them piece by piece and by doing so you cannot do a smooth transition from one background to another like say a very detailed city almost like a map.The music however was a major shock and utterly pathetic. I remember A LOT of /g/entoomen saying how music was going to be automated because it's just 12 notes, only for the retards in charge of the AI to keep using the same retarded noise generator they use for art generating instead of just teaching the fucking neuronal network how to compose using those 12 basic musical notes. >>154822890>then>then>thenIt's always funny seeing actual indians shitting on other indians and also brazilians and mexicans shitting on indians and AI.
>>154822914That's what all film directors do. Directors don't actually create the props and write the script. They do however always handle the camera and tell the actors what to do, unless they're completely talentless like Matt Groening and George Lucas.
>>154822856>we're a year away from just typing "make cartoon" into a prompt and having 8 seasons of a showPeople argue so much about whether we're heading for a 1984 or a Brave New World future to notice we're actually heading for a The Machine Stops future. Creativity is at its core a form of communication, and when we're no longer sharing the experience of, discussing and arguing about creative media but just each individually saying>machine, give me something I will personally enjoythen its value as anything other than a pacifier, a distraction, is gone.
>>154817752>AI can't even copy-paste backgrounds between panels using the same scene lulz
>>154822930Desperate need to adhere to perfect language rules and spelling is something people who are losing an argument resort too to win, something english dorks need, or ESLs who are using a translator or lose their ability to understand do.You are not fooling anyone. >>154822947We are already there to be honest. Most of our media is stripped of real meaning, and the media that is designed specifically to push narratives,propoganda, and gaslight or worse is reckless trash that teaches the wrong lessons pushes the "it's just media it doesn't mean anything" and "are you so stupid that media can affect you" lies. Media, art, as a means to communicate, enlighten and teach has been gone for a while. Replaced with glowie and corporate manipulative trash that can never be argued against lest you are a puritan or autistic. As for the machine stops, I've never heard of that. I'll have to give it a read. I tended to see it as the Never Ending Story or the parable of Gollum and the one ring from LOTR.
>>154818099Wasn't it proven that ChatGPT takes most of its 'know-how' from scraping plebbit, including all the schizo shit that redditors vomit around the clock?
>>154822990You're not fooling anyone, ESL. Be a man and tell us what country are you from or what country did you originate from and you immigrated to?
>>154817132The technology is here, but the talent and effort is gone and AI doesn't mesh well with effort.If we had this technology in the 70s then nutcases like the stopmotion fags would have a fieldday trip with it.The problem is that the AI is very RNG and humans who enjoy effort absolutely hate RNG. Albeit they'd probably attempt to just let the AI talk to itself overnight and come back in the morning and wake up to 500 art generations where the last 400 are either completely useless or the AI is suddenly lewding itself and the filter won't let it. However there is always the case where it just becomes rotoscope and nobody ever perfects it. Has rotoscoped animation EVER looked good?>>154822947That is pretty much already the case since the 2010s. I can't even see anon's reactions to my posts and they only let you know that they find your posts funny after the fact months and months later and only if you post with a name. The internet was a mistake for socializing. Corona punctuated how bad it is. Only nerds should be allowed on the internet.
