>indie animation writing is bad because the creators don't read enough I'm going to be honest here, I haven't read a fucking book to completion since high school. No book actually interests me, not even in audio form. Even graphic novels are a slog. Most reading I do is articles on historical shit or whatever I'm into.Any attempt to read a book just ends with me getting bored. Thinking about just paying some egghead a few hundred to just write my short films for me I don't give a fuckClassic movies bore the shit out of me too. Tried watching Fury Road and was bored to hell
>>154853335Nobody fucking reads books for fun anymore, it's 2026. >inb4: I doYou aren't a normie
>>154853335There's probably shortened versions of famous books out there
>>154853335Fiction books in general are a waste of timeI only read non fiction, informational books
I've always hated the act of reading a book.
>>154853394You are a waste
>>154853335Reading is only part of the reasonBookworms have poor theory of mind for non readers so their input is uselessCould try reading and writing screenplays if your goal is short filmsBut don’t sweat it
>>154853335I dont want to read classic literature for the sole reason that it's what everyone is telling me to do. I am a fucking contrarian, why would I do what others are telling me. If they told me not to read them then I would
I think indie animation writing is bad is because they live in a bubble with their friends that makes it so they have a type of writing or dialogue that only that friend group would accept as normal. you gotta branch out more often if you write but usually people ignore this since “write what you know” is all they listen to
This thread makes me want to go back to /lit/.
>>154853490Sad
>>154853335OP here, I should probably add that I have an issue finishing shit in general. I can't remember the last time I finished a video game. Can only play for maybe 10-20 mins at a time.
>>154853540you got adhd brain. if you got a second monitor turn it off while gaming and hide your phone so it’s not in sight while gaming or even watching something
>>154853335Fury Road is boring. Mad Max and The Road Warrior are much better.Fun fact: The Road Warrior stars Australian actress Milly Allcock (now known as Supergirl) in her earliest role. >>154853479Yeah, don't read that shit. It'll give you boomer brain.
Thank God for audio books.
>>154853632>Fury Road is boringNope>Yeah, don't read that shit. It'll give you boomer brain.Nice bait
writing in general is going to shit because1. people don't read enough, they don't read things outside of their YA comfort zone, and they don't even watch good movies or TV. They max out at Firefly and Pulp Fiction.2. they don't fucking do anything. No one has life experiences anymore. People have trauma from Twitter threadsIf you want to be a writer, find a way to be interesting, idk. Go and do an incredibly dangerous job for three years.
>>154853351Normies shouldn’t be allowed to make media.
>>154853479Some of them are genuinely good books though. The Count of Monte Cristi is an entertaining read throughout.
>>154853335That's pretty pathetic.
>>154853335I love reading but I don't have the time.also I don't want to write about my life experiences. That's called oversharing. I want to write something way better than anything I ever have, or even could have, experienced. I want escapism and I want to bring as many people with me as I can.
>>154853335>>>>>>/lit/
>>154853335
I wasn't much of a reader but when I got to AIT I could, finally, do so. Chronicles of Prydain, Mort, Shrapnel, all have been consumed and more are on the way, in-between drawing by hand for once. It's been great.Try it anon.
I usually just read fanfiction. Like 15-20 pages sorta deal. I don't know if I have it in me to sit down and read a 200 page book anymore.
>>154853962Fuck off Superman take your LostGeneration-er ass back to Smallville if you want me to read Great Expectations
>>154854213life experiences inform the escapism. Like how Robert E Howard was so good at writing fight scenes, because he also was into physical fitness, and journaled boxing matches.
>>154853335>>154853483I'd assume most indie animation writers are bad because their influences mainly come from animation. And animation in general really isn't a high mark for story-wise. Depending on their sources they've consumed or enjoy. >>154853479Read the more fun stuff then. Also they have audiobooks now.
>>154853335It's less about reading more books and more about broadening your horizons. The people making entertainment these days had boring childhoods and currently have extremely narrow interests. They have very few sources to draw from.As an example, what can you expect from a creator who only ever watches anime with no other hobbies or interests? They're going to end up making something that is their regurgitated interests, so it's going to be a poor imitation of a few anime series they liked. The result is usually not very good.
>>154854213in fantasy writing from experience = transposing emotional memory onto a more epic scenario
>>154853335Real reason young people don't read for fun these days (Other than shortening attention spans) is because the books you were forced to read in school just sucked. Felt like teachers always intentionally picked the most poorly paced and boring shlock because some suit at a school board thought it was a good idea. It's no shock why people end up reading less and a lot of times, not at all after high school.
>>154855097>is because the books you were forced to read in school just sucked.I'm glad I live in Massachusetts, we got to read fun fucked up shit in high school like In Cold Blood, Lolita, and Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas.
>>154855097As a kid I fucking loved reading. Then the school reading projects started to roll in and gradually killed my interest in it. They'd be way more fun if I was allowed to pick the books I wanted to make projects based on, but no I had to be handed the absolute worst drivel possible. It all came crashing down when we were forced to read Harry fucking Potter.Our school system fucking sucks.
>>154853899>they don't fucking do anything. No one has life experiences anymore. People have trauma from Twitter threads>If you want to be a writer, find a way to be interesting, idk. Go and do an incredibly dangerous job for three years.thisreminds me of this youtuber who went to an art college and saw everyone's final projects and how samey most of them were because they were all fresh out of high school and went straight to unii think that the real problem is that people can't really lead interesting lives anymore at least in places like ammerica, because life has become too mundane
This thread is a great reminder as to why I don't take the opinions of people who watch cartoons seriously these days.I could not imagine being so brainrotted that you can't even sit down to read a COMIC, let alone a book.But yes, part of the issue is that a lot of the people making cartoons today have no life experience and can't even make up for that lack of experience by being well-read, or at least being observant enough to draw from current goings-on in the world at large.It's fine if you want a comfort show, but when EVERYONE is making either a comfort show or "slice of life retail worker but with my fursona" or "references and therapy sessions," that shit gets old.
>>154853335You're an idiot. Read.
>>154853335You should probably read, at least something that actually interests you but what annoys me is people believing that indie work was ever going to actually be goodYou are not going to get great work on an indie scale, ever. Cartoons are made through an intense, usually well budgeted, collaborate environment. The death of cable has been an absolute fucking disaster for animation. People want 90s quality shit on a YouTube budget. Honestly it would barely make a difference if these people read or had "exciting" lives, the execution would still be amateur and people would still complain Pic unrel
>>154855572You fags make it sound like such a goddamn chore no wonder zoomers don't read booksYou can't even name books you actually enjoy and have read in your adulthood
>>154855133>LolitaMore like LOL-(lita)!>>154855143>They'd be way more fun if I was allowed to pick the booksThey did that at my HS and people still didn't read. I was lucky because I worked at Books a Million and I saw a shit ton of stuff that was interesting. Versus the highly curated and neutered school library. I personally think it's a lot of factors, TV took over, then the internet and then smartphones brainfucked multiple generations with easily consumable media. >It all came crashing down when we were forced to read Harry fucking Potter.I hated it, and I could never get past the first 1/5th of the book. That and I felt no need to read it because of the movie hype. Meanwhile I was reading Phillip Pullman's Dark Materials (Golden Compass Series) and The Hobbit at the time.
Most books unironically suckI gave up on fiction long ago. I agree with the anon from earlier
>>154855704>Anti-fiction /lit/ memes on /co/Big surprise.
It's always "read more"I'm sorry but I'm not going to read a dozen fucking books before I make anything. I can barely finish one a month
>>154855355We live in a mass surveillance world. You literally cannot do anything outside of your own home without being recorded, either by the state/government or a random schmuck across the street.
>>154855720Fucktion is pointless. I only have a finite amount of time to read and I'd rather spend it actually learning something than read some over bloated masturbatory make believe bookslop
>>154853335You didn't refute the critique and actually just solidified their point by admitting that you're too lazy to read anything and can't be bothered to immerse yourself in the original source material. You should never be hired to write anything, ever, and are the exact problem with writing for animation to begin with.
>>154853335>Classic movies bore the shit out of me too>Tried watching Fury Road and was bored to hell>Fury RoadWut
>>154855738That's why I'm hiring someone else
I just flat out hate all media, including booksI don't know, something about it pisses me off. Movies, books, tv, gamesIt all feel inauthentic and reddit
>>154855745For zoomers, 10 years ago is "classic."Moana is a "classic" movie for them.
>>154855738>admitting that you're too lazy to read anythingAnon, it's 2026, nobody fucking reads and that includes 90 percent of the people ITT and you as wellYou fucked up by inventing the idiot box and the chickens have come home to boost
>>154855736>Trying to force this memeNo thanks, I don't wanna engage, kek.
Stephen Hillemburg created the most iconic cartoon in recent times and I doubt he read a lot other than biology books.
>>154855789Anon, Stephen Hillenburg was a fucking teacher before he created Spongebob, of course he read.
>>154855736Holy fucking BASED
>>154855775I'm goona roost my foot in your ass faggot.
>>154855857>Fictionfag fantasizing about sodomizing someone with his feetThe memes write themselves
>>154855884Wouldn't a fist be more applicable if that was the case?
>>154855648What exactly convinced people that they'd get studio quality work with good writing online for free?
>>154855648Why is anime able to do it and the West is hellbent on making some of the worst content in decades, despite having more technology, access to learning, and education, but make complete dogshit mainstream shows. Indie at least feels like there's not a fucking activist agenda behind it paid for by fucking BlackRock.
>>154853821>NopeYep. It's the climatic scene of The Road Warrior played through most of the movie. After a while, action like that gets boring. Tom Hardy is not as good as Mel Gibson was. The side characters stink. Too much CGI.
I'm convinced Fury Road was forced hypeWhiplash is also a satire of sports films with strong homosexual undertones (Simmons has flat out said the latter in an interview) and hardly anyone noticed and just took it at face valueWatch the film again knowing what I said and you'll never see it the same
Alright anons, time to put your money where you butt isWhat books have you read, start to finish, in the last three months?
>>154856075I don't read, I just want indie writers to
>Making an indie cartoon with some online friends>They're very well read, watch lots of non animated classic cinema as well>They may just be some of the unfunniest motherfuckers i've ever talked to, their writing trash and just have reddit tier theater kid humorI have come to the conclusion that 99 percent of artists and animators can not write and should never be trusted with anything non art related
>>154856075Murder at the Black Cat Cafe, Wuthering Heights, The Thursday Murder Club, Ayoade on Top, The Postman Always Rings Twice, The Man Who Died Twice, Killing Time (the Star Trek novel that got recalled for having too much gay Kirk/Spock stuff), Moby Dick, and King's Ransom. Very crime heavy now that I look at it.
>>154856075Do comics count?
>>154856224>99 percent of artists and animators can not write and should never be trusted with anything non art relatedThis is the real answer. Book reading, life experience, and whatever will never make up for it. Animators are absolute trash at writing, especially dialogue.
>>154856248KekOf course notIt's time to grow up, anon
>>154856075Ghosts, by Henrik Ibsen (t. William Archer)Narrow Road to the Interior, and Other Writings, by Matsuo Basho (t. Sam Hamill)The Spring of My Life, and Selected Haiku, by Kobayashi Issa (t. Sam Hamill)Strange Stories, by E.T.A. Hoffmann (Anonymous translation)Three Men in a Boat (To Say Nothing of the Dog), by Jerome K. Jerome
What's a good starter book for someone similar to OPLast book I remember reading for pleasure was those Unfortunate Events novels in middle school
>>154853335I read short stories written by actual humans all of the time. Too many AI stories flooded the net and I began to pick up the little AI ticks and couldn't read it and could predict what would be said next and how the story would flow often. I pick up little tricks and flows and add it to my own writing from other stories. But Wells once said "Keep your eyes virgin so that you won't become little more then a copycat..." or something to that effect.
Eh, if you haven't started now, doing so would just be haphazard and not REAL inspiration for any creative work.The majority of the time when a creator is inspired by a novel, it's something they genuinely liked during their childhood. You'd just be playing catch up like a manlet trying to get buff at 30 thinking that it will transform his lifeYou missed out on key milestones and you will never get that time back
>>154853335About half of Metro 2033. Started it about a month ago. would have finished it by now but my work schedule makes it difficult to consistently sit down and readAlso Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas. Fuckin' amazing book.
>>154856494 (Me)Meant for>>154856075. Whoops.
>>154855665zoomers have the attention span of a goldfish so you really check out.
>>154856460It depends moreso on what you like genre wise, as retarded as that sounds. Google some themes you may like to read or explore, and if the book isn't really doing it for you, just set it down and read a different one. I've done that a few times. The more I've read, the more I realized I like multiple things.Personally, Dune is kinda interesting.Or try some of Robert E Howards Conan short stories (a lot of Conan the Barbarian's stories actually are mainly short stories written for pulp-fiction magazines before Sword and Sorcery genre took off).Lovecraft is kinda interesting too. Since it's just so bizzaro. But that's more kinda fun, interesting reading.Redwall might be a good opener for you though, but again, it's gonna be taste-testing literary wise.
>>154855133>In Cold BloodI vividly remember writing a book report about this where I argued that I would rather be stuck in a hotel room with Dick than Perry since Dick could at least be pacified with liquor so long as you're not a young girl.
>>154855789Anon he had a master’s degree
>>154853335I am 22 years old, I've never read a fucking book, I'm not even joking. the public school I went to didn't have a library and reading wasn't a requirement. The only stuff I have read are stuff on my pc and phone
>>154853335I read a lot as a kid, not so much anymore but I know much more than the average normie. Have been trying to get around to reading some of the classics. I did write my own indie script and the people who have seen it think it's very cohesive and nothing like Glitch level writing. I won't know how it will be perceived until I release it to the world but I am trying.
>>154857510Fucking grim...
>>154857510One of my favorite authors didn’t read a book until he was 35. Sometimes they get you later.
>>154856488You do realize most people are reminded of novels thry read in their teen and college years...right?This nigga thinks kids were reading blood meridian before bedtime, what a dumbassCan't even demoralize right lmao
>>154857783Teen and college is still mostly formativeOnce you hit 30, it's too late
>>154855738>You should never be hired to write anything, ever, and are the exact problem with writing for animation to begin with.writing isn't that important when it comes to animation not sure why people think that it's a visual medium, so animation is the most important partthe problem is when they think their animated work needs good writing and not serviceable writing in order to compliment the animation and get an idea across shit like digital circus, theater kid therapy slop for stunted adults, or crappy adult comedies come to mind
This thread explains a lot about the state of this board
>>154858691Explain
>>154858507>not sure why people think thatProbably from watching everything and noticing it
>>154858712It's the dumbest board in the entire site.
>>154853335>Classic movies>Fury RoadGrim
READING IS FUNDAMENTALhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ULHkNLveXZs&ra=m
In the age of tv, reading just isn't fun and deep down I think most here know that which is why it's treated as an obligation rather than anything you'd do for leisure.Only thing I read these days are screenplays
>>154858920people just dont stick with it long enough to have funsame as most people not drawing much, after stalling out
>>154858920Screenplays count imo
>>154858920I feel like it's harder to find a good book than a good comic/vidya/movie.Granted the shit I've been reading this week Night Lords Omnibus and Project Hail Mary are because they're about things I know I already like.
You ever turn into a cockroach, get an apple lodged in your back, and die?
>>154853335I think the most indie creators read, despite being out of it's age demographic, is fucking Harry Potter. And then there's a fact that, unlike older, more experienced writers, indie writers don't have any life experiences. They go to high school, they go to college, and that's it. They've never been anywhere or done anything in life.
>>154853394LOL that's just like what every idiot under 30 I ever met that really didn't know shit tells me when I ask what they like to read: "I read what helps me."
>>154859059What fucking life experience am I supposed to get. I work 60 hours a week on my day job and my rent eats up 2/3 my checkI swear the life experience complaint is just a cookie cutter meme phrase now
>>154859059i can see whyanimation is a fairly time consuming hobby/industry
>>154859089>I swear the life experience complaint is just a cookie cutter meme phrase nowThis. It ONLY matters as an exception to the norm, and half the time it's usually smooth brains or uninteresting people trying to sound interesting.
>>154855143Oh my god. I thought people were just refusing to grow up and chose to read Harry Potter. I didn't know schools are forcing that on people. I was reading C.J. Cherryh's Chanur Saga novels in 6th grade back in the early 90's, and these days we got fuckin 20+ year olds gushing about Harry Potter. Shit's sad. Is this why movies for teens like the mcu has such appeal these days, and actors who normally would avoid that crap back in the day because they were trying to win serious awards like an Oscar and a star on the Walk Of Fame are fighting tooth and claw to hang onto their roles in brain dead action movies based on juvenile comics? Some people are trying to stay juvenile, and the rest of society is being forced into it?
>>154859089The life experience thing comes up because people didn't usually do this shit right out of school. They did it in their 30s and 40s after they've lived a little and seen some things.
>>154859016And then come back again?
>>154859121Teens and 20 somethings have been making Internet cartoons for over 25 years
>>154857783I was reading at a college level in 5th grade and I had a subscription to The Magazine of Fantasy & Science Fiction, and Isaac Asimov's Sciece Fiction Magazine from age 12 to 21...but that's just me.
>>154853351book-tok is highly popular and as normie as it gets
>>154859126I'm aware of that. I'm speaking of the times before that, when things were truly good... because they were made by seasoned, experienced adults.
>>154859142They read a lot of shit, though.
>>154859146Craig McCracken was 24 when he made PPG. That's like a couple years out of college at bestAlex Hirsch was around 25, Seth MacFarlane also early 20sI can go on
>>154853335Sounds like a you problem zoomer. Gain an attention span.
>>154859151Kek, oh hell yes they do, miles and miles of snail trails from resentful wives, and single women reading about a psychopath choking them out and raping them.
>>154859161Nobody has a fucking attention span anymore. You're all fuckedHave fun during the next drought
>>154856075A different edition of this collection:https://steegerbooks.com/shop/purple-scar-archives/the one I had is missing one of the novelettesAnd right now I'm readinghttps://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/26134005-the-passionate-percipientwhich is a collection of shorter writing by the guy who wrote The Mothman PropheciesReading is my hobby and I jump, from books, to comics to magazines with ease.
>>154859161To be fair, zoomies got fucked hard in the attention span department. Addicted to tech that is essentially designed to be addictive from the ground up, including social media. Blue light, short form content, immediate access to said content, giving children a fucking tablet of all things to play with because parents are too lazy to parent their kids.
>>154859161>Millennial thinking he can talk shitGo check on your iPad baby
The only way I can get engaged with a book is if I draw while reading
>>15485916350 Shades Of Choke Me Harder, Daddy. These women claim to fear that kind of thing but that damn series got them soaked. And the younger the reader, the more into it they seemed to be. You learn things, visiting reddit women's forums. And they call THIS place sleazy...
>>154853335I feel like you don't exactly need to be that well-read. If you're doing comedy, it's about honing your comedic skills, and if you're doing something else, you need to study the subject. It’s really hard to be both a writer and an artist. Look at how most artists’ ideas revolve around drawing and designing, which isn’t really focused on writing, whereas for a writer, it’s all about plot, details, and characters. That’s something an artist doesn’t usually do. The problem with TRULY indie cartoons is that you’re on your own in this endeavor, without a publisher or a team of writers to help you.
>>154859236Got a question. Do you feel it's better for someone to be a writer and solicit for an artist, or be an artist and solicit for a writer if they're trying to do a comic book? I see people posting asking for artists and I'm thinking "okay this guy has a vision but he has no real talent", whereas I see an artist posting looking for a writer and I'm thinking "cool, we got somebody who's invested in the project already and willing to do over half the work. Anybody with a good vocabulary and native command of the English language can write."
>>154859262People seem to get more pissy at artists looking for writers from what I've seen from others. Which imo is backwards since the art/animation will be the heavy lifting
>>154859275I feel that's because with an artist it's easier to see where their skill level lies in the visual presentation but a writer? There's ALOT of people who love to say they're writers without having done anything - it's a harder skillset to judge unless you know exactly what to look for.
>>154859262Dude, you’re not going to find writers by going indie. You need to get money or funding, which is why most artists start out with comedy. It’s easy to write, cheap, and fast. No one’s going to criticize you for writing nonsense; you can even do something completely surreal. The most important thing is to get exposure and money. Even in these AI days, you still have to grind.
>>154859262Respect is the main thing, if someone gives you that impression that’s probably not a candidate for someone you can treat as an equal aka work with
Pic related is a prime example of good artists being absolutely fucking talentless dogshit writers.
>>154855730The only way you'd unironically believe that is if you spent all your time watching shortform content
>>154853335School just kills the desire to read books. I used to devour entire fantasy novels as a kid but being forced to read makes any book unbearable
>>154853479Anon, people tell you that you should avoid classic lit because it's old white men slop and you should be reading gay hockey player sex insteadReading the classics IS contrarian
>>154859016Is that a Limbus Company reference? :O
>>154853899>Go and do an incredibly dangerous job for three years.>The Adventures of Al the Wal-Mart Night Shift Clerk.
>>154856075Sunrise on the reaping for the up coming hunger games movie. I hope it cracks a billion.
>>154853335It feels very brown-coded to refuse to read books because they are "boring". Like, you see no value in reading and experiencing something unless it already directly appeals to you 100% off the bat, so you just don't bother.It makes me feel like it's where all of the mentally stunted Gen-Xers and Millenials came from who are still going to conventions and buying merchandise for TMNT or He-Man while wearing anime hoodies, where they just didn't move on to more challenging media. I don't expect people to read nothing but pretentious modern garbage and dry stuffy "high literature" (though I think people are too quick to write off classic literature that's perfectly approachable and enjoyable because white men wrote it in the past), or that they ever have to stop liking things they grew up with, but I find it kind of embarrassing when I see these people who just kind of stopped developing their tastes beyond such a basic level.
>>154853335Start with easier things to read, like short stories. Some personal favourites: Flowers for Algernon, Harlon Ellison's short stories, Gabriel García Marquez's short stories. YA books could also be a good place to look, lots of great stuff there and they're usually easier to read. Watership Down, the Warrior Cats series, Enders Game are some great options.Short stories are often easier to analyze as well if you're looking for takeaways to improve your own writing.Reading is its own skill. If you haven't been reading for a while, your attention gets shot and you need to retrain it. So starting smaller and work your way towards harder work is a better idea than starting with a lot of the classics for example.Also after you've trained yourself a bit I would highly recommend reading the Lord of the Rings. None of the films and shows so far can properly fully replicate it. Reading it is its own experience and the one true version of the story.
>>154853335Having an interest in actually good media isn't going to magically make one suddenly a great creator themselves.People seem to conveniently forget Digital Circus is famously inspired by I Have No Mouth whenever this topic arises.
>>154853335Millenoid nepobabies write like shit because they have 0 life experience to tell.No amount of reading will change that./thread
A lot of creators feel like they only really know a fandom space. Fanfics and OCs and generally a self-indulgent style of creating.
>>154853351Travel accounts have all the fun of adventure novels while not being fiction.
>>154853335>I don’t consume anything of longer than a few seconds>everything else bores megee, there might be a connection there
>>154853335you have to get out of your comfort zone, ypu have no choice, OP.
>>154856075Songs of Chaos, Temeraire (dragons are cool, sue me)i started reading the Eyre affair but while it's fun in places, the post-war PTSD and woe-is-me-nobody-fucks-me of the MC is really, really annoying so i dropped it.i think i'm going to read 10 little niggers (original edition)
>>154860246This is a big issue for me, lots of indie stuff is hilariously self-indulgent in the same way that fanfiction is.Which is fine until you have stunted manchildren trying to tell you that fanfiction-level shit is some kind of masterful high art.
>>154853335I don't read books either. It feels like such a slog. I want to get to the point and books are made to meander about for a hundred-fifty pages.I would enjoy graphic novels more if they were free. I really wanted to know how Delicious in Dungeon ended, found the manga translated online, and spent several hours thoroughly enjoying it.I enjoy reading comments on things the most. It gives me a better understanding of what everybody thinks and whether my perspective is shared with others or bullshit.
>>154861905But that isn't a graphic novel, it's a manga. Graphic novels are shit like a comic book adaptation of Warriors or Wings of Power. And those definitely can be found for free on places like archive.org
It's funny how people always jerk off classical authors and then you do a 2 second search on google and learn that they wrote tons of other books that are all considered hot garbage.Just look at Jane Austin or Shakespeare.
>>154862148Is there really that much of a difference between a manga and a graphic novel? I would think all manga are graphic novels. Like how all anime is animation. Both are just Japanese.I guess none have appealed enough to me to warrant a search. My YouTube watch list is too long anyhow.
>>154861905The absolute state of the average zoomer truly is fascinating.
>>154860246And that's the annoying part of a lot of stories on A03. You go to hmofa, and half the shit, when it's not disgusting crap like anthro women snatching the most physically pathetic, low-test femme-boy human twinks with no self-esteem, and cringing and stammering mannerisms, instead of the strongest, healthiest mates they can find (who is this catering to? Gay bottoms trying to see if they like straight pron?), is fanfiction of stuff that you don't watch and wouldn't watch, instead of being something original. And it usually has really weird, esl-eque writing like "he charged his fist, sending a punch onto his attacker's chest with a thump".
>>154858691>>154859161I'm somehow unsurprised that the one time /co/ is in unanimous agreement, it's about how they all hate reading books. Holy fuck
>>154862228Nobody’s perfect
>>154862274>And it usually has really weird, esl-eque writingThis shit is why I avoid fanfiction like the plague these days, way too much of it is written by obvious ESLs who can't even figure out basic shit like keeping the pronouns consistent. ESLs REALLY struggle with understanding the difference between he, him, she, and her and when they should be used.
>>154859142Most of them just like tropes and summaries (one author got a book deal because her trope list went viral). They like collecting, showing off their approved titles and making cute color schemes with the covers. But very few of them read. The ones who do read do so with slog.
>>154861905>I want to get to the point and books are made to meander about for a hundred-fifty pages.Grim future.
>>154853335Reading books (even if you haven’t done it for a long while) is great for making you immune from the kind of zoomer mentality where you end up unironically bitching that the general public doesn't respect animation, while hardly any new cartoons land with cultural impact. It requires a really low level of life understanding to make that complaint. Literature, through immersion in other life experiences, grants meta awareness that transcends lives so you know if you're living a stupid ass one.>>154861905> whether my perspective is shared with others or bullshit.This attitude is a train track to a stupid ass life
>>154862401>This attitude is a train track to a stupid ass lifeHey, sometimes people see things I don't and I like to understand.
>>154862401>zoomer mentality where you end up unironically bitching that the general public doesn't respect animation>zoomers caring about animationlol
>>154853962If people actually read Don Quixote they would now how to do meta-commentary and hijinxs correctly. Same goes for isekai if they read A Connecticut Yankee.But the main thing is people don't spin up stories anymore for friends and families, but blogpost to the deaf annals of the internet. like this of course.
>>154853335>Most reading I do is articles on historical shit or whatever I'm into.There's nothing wrong with that at all. I think academia and early childhood education does not give a flying fuck about men or autists and understand most if us would rather read facts and trivia and shit and we get thrown under the bus because we dont care much friction I know im generalizing a lot but its /co/ i hope you get what Im saying.
>>154862517>Same goes for isekai if they read A Connecticut Yankee.The best Isekai ever is DunbineGiant robots are coolLove /m/
I would say that the reason so many people don't read and why it's on such a decline is moee due to our education system not evolving. It's still filled with boomers who have that mindset of "I can do it so no excuses as to why anyone else can't and I can't fathom why no one else can't". There's actually a specific work called like the durnkurk effect or something.Anywho, education still refuses to teach kids how to properly read and the stigma of books having too many pictures means it's not real reading and for retards leads to more and more disinterest because kids are taught that their interests are bad and forced to read things they don't want too, while teachers don't bother to properly tell them why it's important to read said books.Slightly related but back in high school everyone dreaded black history month, not because they where racist but because history and lit classes would force you to do a report on a famous black person, but you where never allowed to do any current famous black person as if anyone gives a shit about Harriet Tubmin or some random ass guy from the 1800s who slightly improved the razor blade.Kids and people are more than willing to read and learn but about things they care about and find interesting and actually effects and matters in their current lives.I'm dyslexic so I've always hated reading, but I love comics and manga. My mangadex profile is huge over all the manga I've read. My boomers parents don't consider manga reading, but I haven't seen them pick up a book in years. They even have kindles which are collecting dust.
>>154862584>boomersOpinion discarded. If you use buzzwords your opinion is as worthless as my opinion on your opinion.
>>154862229A graphic novel is either literally a comic book adaptation of a novel, or a novel length story told in comic book format (for instance, if the Wings of Fire series only existed as the comic book series, it would still be considered a "graphic novel" series. A big digest of manga is called a tankoban, or trade paperback, but in order to make it easier to catalogue on websites and in bookstores they CALL it graphic novels. Doesn't mean it's correct.
>>154862584It's not 2010 anymore. Most people in education are millennials.
>>154862517Reading alone doesn’t teach everyone to make the leap to analysis though
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>>154862564I will look into this but I doubt your claim, due to myself really liking the protagonist of Yankee
>>154853351Women read all kinds of crap books.
>>154853394Fiction lets you see a different life situation from the one you are in which helps you reflect on your own life and understand life in general better.
>>154864853Non fiction books do that too, retardBehold the unparalleled intellect of fictionfags
>>154859089>>154859871This is why literature took a modern and then post modern turn in 20th century.
>>154864879No, they don't, brainlet. It's one thing when an author tells you Ivan Denisovich had it hard in a forced labor camp (with only one or two descriptions of such a life) and stops there and it's something else entirely when a day in his life is presented to you in a story form. The former does not communicate the human experience of being Ivan Denisovich, the latter does.
>>154864960Empathy issue
>>154864960Is this a joke?
>>154856075A Clockwork OrangeThe three stigmata of palmer eldritchThe importance of being Earnest (oscar wilde play)**8 of the konosuba light novels**
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>>154864960Creative Non-Ficition would like to have a word with you.
>>154860148>People seem to conveniently forget Digital Circus is famously inspired by I Have No Mouth whenever this topic arises.Did people really forget that, or did the allure of being based on a short story which is solely remembered for the hate monologue, in the age of the SEAL copypasta, melt away and all that was left was the reality that the series is little more than a tranny's cope session?
>>154856075G.J. Ballard's High-Rise, which was spurred on by watching the Doctor Who serial “Paradise Towers"
>>154859142They don't read books, they read smut, groom teenage boys and then bitch about "complicated words" in literature.
>>154856075Fantastic Voyage by Asimov
>>154853912normies are basically the only people who make media because weird media literal autists are too dysfunctional to work with a team. I would know. I always wanted to make a cartoon but I would never be able to be a showrunner. I'd be harder to work with than Justin Roiland except without the rape.
>>154853368Sparknotes. I had a class and we had to read three different books. I only read one of them and still got good grades on all three reports anyway.
>>154864853In a way I guess. I'm really amazed at how popular harry potter was even before the movies came out, because I reread the first one last year and basically nothing happens at all. It sold itself entirely on its setting because there was basically no story at all.
>>154859142From what I hear, very few of those people actually read, they just show off their new books in videos and display them on a shelf
>>154867995>normies are basically the only people who make mediaUfuckingwotm8?That is blatantly false.Even famous authors like Stephen King, even though he tries to act like a normalfag nowadays, he most certainly is not. And back when he was getting coked out of his mind and writing about underaged sewer orgies he looked like a slightly fatter and slightly less deranged Charles Manson.
>>154868082>underaged sewer orgiesWoah, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles sounded wild back in the day.
>>154859142I wouldn't put erotica involving women getting stretched out by werewolves being on par with common literature, and as other stated many don't read them. It's the white women equivalent of a guy buying Games Workshop miniatures and never using them.
>>154868169>I wouldn't put erotica involving women getting stretched out by werewolves being on par with common literature ~~ other stated many don't read them.I would, since most readers are women, and apparently "dark romantasy" is like one of, if not the largest genres being consumed right now.I believe the stat is 80% of women's consumed literature is "erotica", or the thinly veiled term "romance" which has a WIDE variation of sub-genres underneath that umbrella.
>>154868589I think anon's point is that saying "I read" because you read romantasy about werewolf gigachad billionaire business heirs raping 5/10 college students is like me saying "I read" because I read AO3 isekai smut about a guy being transported to a world with reverse gender behaviors and a 10:1 female:male ratio where he fucks horny high school girls.
>>154853335>Classic movies bore the shit out of me too. Tried watching Fury Road and was bored to hell>Fury Road>ClassicThe future is really fucked, wowReading fiction is the deepest form of escapism bc you have to visualize it all yourself and give the words meaning. It can teach you what good writing is. I'd argue the same applies to really good comics as well as prose.
>>154868681>Reading fiction is the deepest form of escapism bc you have to visualize it all yourself and give the words meaning.>YOU you have to visualize it all yourself and give the words MEANING.Fucking based free thinking individual.
>>154859157and what were they doing before making cartoonswhat was their life like before that?
>>154853335I think a lot of issues come from trying to be make story based series only to write the characters as if they're in a kids comedy. For example, all the characters in TADC have nothing deeper going with them and as a result the act like standard cartoon characters until it's time to trauma dump. These people WANT to make deeper shows but they don't know how. It also doesn't help that Burgerstan's views on animation could be has been fucked for decades (seriously we gave the two Demon Slayer movies R ratings and that series is babbys first shonen).
>>154853335Go read shirt stories.Go read lovecraft that may get you out of your reading rout.
