>entire issue dedicated to the marriage>even showing where mj was before and after the future events of happy birthdayWith the exception of the final story, which is post-Queen In Black, where MJ has gone back to acting and has a small part of the Venom symbiote which she has been wearing as a jacket. If you're a fan of the marriage, you should definitely pick this up. It's a great issue. Demattis's story especially.
>>154853884Don’t do that, OP. Don’t give me hope.
>>154853925I meant that they're all flashback stories to when they were married. With the exception being JMS, which is the Happy Birthday future, and the final one, which is post-QIB. The whole issue is a celebration of Peter and MJ's relationship.As a side note, this and QIB #2 bring up that MJ has lost a child. I find it strange that this keeps getting mentioned of late.
>>154853884Didn’t Peter and MJ have a kid in that future timeline?
>>154853884>this story takes place before Mary Jane got her shot at being a super heroJust going to sidestep and not mention anything about the Wells runs implications and damage to her character. Everything cute we see in this scene means nothing, she will choose Paul again and again and again.That's it Spoffice. Sweep about four years of character assassination. Keep citing the classics because you got nothing to explain what you've done.
>>154855116What?
>>154855218Everything you see here?The Wells arc follows.
>>154855314When did they have an apartment together?
>>1548538841. How's the JMS story?2. Does it pump any copium to the reader that her and Peter might get back?3. Is it Peter's or Gwen's grave that she visits? I'm assuming Peter, but for whatever reason, I'm having a hard time believing MJ outlived him.
>>154855345In the bizarre notMarried days of current canon, where they have had a miscarriage(?) they occasionally respect the impact of for drama.
>>154855422Felicia was shot and can't have kids. Gwen is dead. The rest sounds foreign
>>154855457Felicia has an in with Star, I'm sure she could get the crazy bitch to fix her ovaries.
>>154853884No. I've been burned too many times now.I don't even LIKE Mary Jane Watson anymore--or at least not whatever the fuck her character is SUPPOSED to be since 2022.
>>154854135It's time to bring back Baby May.
>>154857228She has devolved into an entirely different character post OMD, because they had to keep inventing more and more antithetical reasons to keep her outside Peters orbit and their natural draw together, her 40 years prior characterisation.Wells run was so much unironic misogyny I am kind of impressed it got published.
>>154857363Baby May is such a lucrative thing just SITTING there.MERCHANDISING DISNEY.
>>154857411Nah but you see that irrelevant group of faggots named...."Marvel editorial" said anything associated with MJ and Peter getting together means we become Nazis or some shit like that. So yeah, us Disney execs gotta kowtow to editorial. Shit doesn't make sense.
>>154857491>marvel editorial living in existential fear a suit wanting adaptations doesn't ask what's been happening in the comics the past ten yearsI think the move is the surest sign they have failed, you are a tied Old Boys Club cog and you're getting replaced.We could have a whole new team by 2030, BND is done.
>>154854135>As a side note, this and QIB #2 bring up that MJ has lost a child. I find it strange that this keeps getting mentioned of late.It's carrot dangling, that's all.
>>154857608>>154857363Imagine asking MJ if she felt this much pain losing her 'fake' kids over her real one.Having her realize how much of Dead Language was her being manipulated and exploited by some evil (editorial) Myran God to act out of character.You know, actual drama and character study. She would then realize her going to her 'Jackpot' persona and the like would never happen after she thought she lost May. She was beyond distraught and devastated, whilst Jackpot she was quipping like nothing had happened. A mature handling of the wheel again.
>>154857533Nah I didn't mean to appear like I like editorial man. I was being sarcastic and said it didn't make sense before. Yup the move could mean something but I dunno, it's still weird they're still letting shitty comics go by and Wacker isn't much of a thinker either. He probably doesn't know what good writing looks like.
>>154857772It’s funny to think Wacker was the editor for Spider-man for the “good” parts of Slott era. But as soon as he leaves and Lowe took over the book immediately went to shit
>>154857772Wacker let everything awful about BND and Superior slide (Superior #2 simply would not be published these days) and got into defensive arguments about it online. This wasn't that long ago so I suspect the man hasn't changed, but I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.That said, the BND true believers are all old elephants feet just getting coaxed to bed. Their mandate is going to die with them and good riddance to shit comics.
>>154857818Wacker is competent as an editor but he's still an old fogie BND guy from the start. Don't expect big changes from one of its architects, no matter how badly and clearly they are needed.The test is whether under a Wacker you'd still end up with a Wells run. We got character assassination and Michelle and all the rest under Wacker, but we never had something like a Wells run until Lowe.
>>154857858I say overall as an Editor he has way more hits than misses from both Marbel and DC. Even his worse book, ASM is more of subjective thing on whether it’s bad or not
>>154857881I'm convinced Lowe is actually just asleep at his desk and exists only to smarmily reply to letters or write to himself. What does he actually DO?
>>154857947His gears are turning on the next "Spidey who Goblins" arc.
>>154857967Gibble Gobble part 3, the Giblet who grapples
>>1548554091. Bittersweet, but good.2. No.3. Peter
>>154859083At least we can all for a moment live in JMD's alternate reality where they are still married.I'm still not familiar with the other guys, even when reading I don't understand these characters.Peter's pushing 30 and he's getting jealous over his mother figure?
>>154859150It genuinely feels like all of this is going to go badly because Peter fucks it up.
>>154859661I have a theory we're going to get a very bad 'It's a wonderful life' take where Aunt May's memories are taken by Carnac and we get an arc where Peter sees a version of life where he is never born (excuse for a flashback of the greatest hits etc).Problem is Peter's civilian life is so none existent and his relationships basically just Aunt May, his badly written ex and the gaggle of OC's Kelly introduced.
>>154853884>DeMatteisGreat writer.
>>154859731>the gaggle of OC's Kelly introduced.It's not even the original OC cast from the start, at that. Spider-Man used to have a consistent supporting cast. They were the best part of the book, too. Now it's Literal Whos.
>>154859969Well that's because we have a BND cabal that want THEIR Spider-Man and an editor who does not ask them the key question every editor must ask.And then what?That's why the cast has been cut to the skeleton and thrown into the symbiote soup. There's noone left but Aunt May and invented family and never before seen childhood chums to eke out drama anymore.
>>154860000Quads of truth.
>>154853884As someone who actually read the wedding arc and witnessing what those 2 went through to realize that they loved each other and wanted to live together forever, seeing what marvel has done with them in the last 20 years is frankly despicable.
>>154853884there is a lot about 616 MJ that needs retconning. But the one thing I would definitely add is her playing guitar.
>>154862062I love hot red heads playing quitar.
>>154857398There was nothing misogynistic about Wells' run just because he wrote an outcome you didn't like.
>>154853884YES! It was about time Marvel stopped shitting on you, I'm so happy for our Marywhorekekbros...
>>154862697>There was nothing misogynistic about Wells' runIncluding Anna Maria literally saying "do I look pretty?" when she thinks Otto Octavius crashes Peter's birthday party and saying she's still pining for him, when every last run before that said she never forgived Otto for statutory rape?
>>154862811>when every last run before that said she never forgived Otto for statutory rapeThis is a hallucination of your own making. When Slott wrote a new Superior series she was also still pining for him. She was always only attracted to Otto's personality, not Peter's.
Nobody cares about MJ anymore.
>>154862697Nta, but I don't need to resort to political labels like mysogynistic to say why Wells was a bad writer with a bad run. Instead I'll resort to the label "retarded" and "pathetic" for writing that shit and being Lowe's lapdog.Now enjoy Zeb making out with his creation befote they have intense gay sex. Am I projecting? Yes. I am however projecting your gay thoughts and fantasies for everyone to see. I have special powers that allow me to do so.
>>154853884sorry op but nobody cares about that whore
>>154862697>Mary Jane as a mystery box>Her agency happened offscreen>Manufactured, then unmade, motherhood>Captivity framed as romance>Regression of an established arc into into a domestic support role: girlfriend, mother, obstacle>Supporting women as pieces on a board>Kamala Khan's deathyou should probably KYS
>>154863568>>154862929>>154862791same fag
>>154863722That's a whole lot of babble. No woman has or would actually say this which is why Lowe was able to comfortably ignore the marriage dead-enders who were fuming about it, trying to say the right words to get their way.
>>154863777>no woman has or would actually say thisBrown hands or Eastern European retarded pedophile hands that jannies try to get a handjob from, typed this. Also you have never looked at what women say on social media about this topic.Lowe is the one fuming. My proof? His pathetic, desperate tactic of wishing everyone a good day after getting dismantled verbally on any point he made on Twitter.>trying to say the right wordsGee it's almost like they are using rational thought.
>>154863777What lowe ignored was his role as an editor, like allowing Kelly to write that MJ and Paul were married and not correcting before publishing the book. HE THEN HAD TO ADMIT HIS MISTAKE. They weren't ignoring the feed back, they were reacting to it. you are a fucking idiot.
>>154863827They don't, women don't buy Spider-Man comics.I see you had to cut out that it was a tranny posting that, there's your ally, some entitled biological male.>>154863831Acknowledging he made a simple mistake is different from giving you what you want.
>>154863777>No woman has or would actually say thisYou have no idea what a woman would say under any circumstance.
>>154863879>simple mistakeYou don't know what words mean. Stop Posting.
>>154863898They were practically common law married, it was an easy wrong assumption for a casual reader to make.
>>154855116Bet you are the type of faggot who thinks Wanda should be forever branded a murderers and Hank Pym a wifebeater.MJ is immune to character assassination. Stop saying said character assassination is her true nature, as you are falling into Wells and company's trap
>>154863915Nope. Again, you don't know what words mean.
>>154863879I didn't make that edit. But even a tranny could recognize when a writer is being mysogynistic.Women in droves do not buy comics. But the few who do, don't like it.
>>154864117You don't even have an argument just "I said so."
>>154863880Neither would you lmao
>>154862811Anna Maria Marconi is the best “recent” character in the Spider-Man universe. She deserves so much better than this.
>>154864899>You don't even have an argument just "I said so."Yet another demonstration you ignorance. There is no argument here. lets clear things up, you are an imbecile posting nonsensical things for the purpose of defending Nick Lowe. Its very weird.
>>154853884Early reviews are in and it looks like another Botched attempt to write Mary Jane Watsonhttps://leagueofcomicgeeks.com/profile/comicsupreme/reviews/21427056/mary-jane-face-it-tiger-1>I love how DeMatties doesn’t give a fuck about continuity and had Peter and MJ be husband and wife, lmao. That’s my goat.>This didn’t hit as hard as I had hoped it would desu. The DeMatties story was cool, the Noccenti one was kinda bad, I don’t love the JMS story, and the Ashley Allen one was fine. Really wish that this was better.>I actually real am upset by how little I liked the JMS story. I thought that it was so dumb, and such a misuse of Peter as a character that it actually kinda ruins the story as a whole. The MJ stuff was good tho, but that story revolves around Peter so it sours it>Also I’m even more confused about the Mary Jane series now after this prelude
>>154865148>locgYou should go back and stay there.
>>154865148>expecting league to have read jms's run ro even understand itKek
>>154865148>>I love how DeMatties doesn’t give a fuck about continuity and had Peter and MJ be husband and wife, lmao. That’s my goat.idgi is it only okay when Slott does it for ASM 800?
>>154862697>There was nothing misogynistic about Wells'Fridging Kamala in ASM instead of her own bookFridging Kamala to push Peter Fridging Kamala as a connection to Peter when she's been with Miles for years even having their own teamMary Jane being gaslit for years until she finally gives up hopeMary Jane being consistently lied to so some guy could fuck herMary Jane being written completely out of character so the writer can vicariously live through Peter as he writes a therapy run to work out the issues he's having with his divorce is textbook misogyny as he paints her in a bad light Mary Jane being manipulated and even saying the children were anchors meant to influence her decisions
>>154865394>Fridging Kamala in ASM instead of her own book>Fridging Kamala to push Peter >Fridging Kamala as a connection to Peter when she's been with Miles for years even having their own teamNone of this was misogynistic. It was a corporate push to reveal her as a mutant in the most dramatic way possible in a book people would actually buy.>Mary Jane being gaslit for years until she finally gives up hope>Mary Jane being consistently lied to so some guy could fuck her>Mary Jane being written completely out of character so the writer can vicariously live through Peter as he writes a therapy run to work out the issues he's having with his divorce is textbook misogyny as he paints her in a bad light>Mary Jane being manipulated and even saying the children were anchors meant to influence her decisionsA character being written in a way you don't like isn't misogynistic. Paul was as much in the dark as she was.
>>154864055>MJ is immune to character assassination Not immune to time though.
>>154853884No one gives a fuck anymore. Their desperate attempts to stoke the fire of attention is like trying to start a fire with two icecubes while being submerged in a lake. 616 Spiderman is dead as an IP and it's time we all admit it.
>>154853884HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAno.
>>154853925This suggeest their is a possibility the chameleon May have fucked Mary Jane for some time without her caching on he was not in fact peter.>Welcome to Sins Past 2
>>154853884she should be killed off like paul was
>>154865394>Paul from panel one of being along with MJ is saying Peter is dead>has no fucking proof and is the sole witness of his worlds demise, the only account is his own and he is a proven repeated liar alreadyWhat did they mean by this?How do you accidentally write a reprehensible heel when you want to write a 'redemption' arc.
>>154866409He said he was "gone" not that he was dead.
>>154866822>gone>as in don't wait for him he is not coming backHe's been the only voice in her ear for all that time, dependant on him for survival. And still she holds him in disdain until the chain children suddenly make the grass grow on a dead planet and they are growing crops all about that trad life.
>>154866908He specifically told her he was gone after they had waited at that location for a day. From their perspective, he ended up being gone for four years, so yeah, there was nothing to indicate he'd be able to return.
>>154867033He has been telling her that ALL day. Repeatedly. Trying to get her to move from that spot to save her from the Emissary. It's on the same panel.Only he never mentions the possibility of time dilation in all the time they spend isolated. Despite knowing the mechanics enough to make a gauntlet.
>>154867128He only says it twice in the entire comic, once when he leaves, and again later.>Only he never mentions the possibility of time dilation in all the time they spend isolated. Despite knowing the mechanics enough to make a gauntlet.Spider-Man was the one who knew enough to get the device working. Paul couldn't.
>>154853884It's grim that this is a better ASM #1000 than ASM #1000
>>154869292We're doing a telenovella plot, and it's not even the second time we've done a missing relative arc.Peter's getting jealous over the affection of a geriatric mother figure, he's neverthirty something.We're a parody.
