How the FUCK was this made with post-penders mandates?>AoSTH references out the ASS>OVA homages>Actual characterization >Sonic is allowed to be a dick in this>Shitting on Mario>Doesn't follow the two worlds mandateIs this the best depiction of modern sonic on TV?
>>154856477I'd tell you what the best depiction of modern Sonic is on TV, but it's a grey area at best since it's an anime that got a third season made exclusively for America.
>>154856477The mandates as you know them are a heavily exaggerated by Ian and his buddies.
>>154856477>post-penders mandatesCan you explain what this means to non-autists?
>>154856495*are heavilyfuck I need to go to bed
>>154856477Still feels like it was written by Potto. No.
>>154856491Obviously I haven't properly watched the show but, wasn't that one best watched in Japanese and the 3rd season is the only one that's genuinely good?
>>154856555Yes for the Japanese part, and maaaaaaaybe for just the third season? I heard its second season was a retelling of both Adventure games, which seems worth it all on its own.
>>154856506NTA but after the Penders lawsuit forced Archie to write out a buttfuck out of characters, suddenly Flynn began to say Sega has all of those draconian mandates that stop him from telling a perfect story, so it's never his fault if you disliked something in the story (it's always either mandates, editorial, or the license holders messing up his vision).This is the same Flynn who knew the court situation was dire but lied through his teeth on Twitter "so the fanbase didn't lose morale", so anyone taking what he says for gospel might be interested on a bridge on the moon if he's the one doing the sales pitch.
I miss ok ko. Ian should have been allowed to make more. Not so long it ends up like every other show that grows stale but I feel there was still a lot of good stories they could have told.
>>154856577Nah, good riddance
>>154856577it might be the closest thing to a show made specifically for /co/ (or maybe just middle aged cartoon fans in general) that ever aired on tv
>>154856600>made specifically for /co/I want to say SF was that kind of show too? But if I'm being honest, that seemed to cater more to people who either like OneyPlays or people who have heard of Bushworld Adventures.
how much money did warner throw at sega for this
>>154856477Have you considered the fact that if game Sonic acted like 90s cartoon Sonic you would basically have Jet the hawk inhabiting two characters.He already exists. There is already a cocky, snarky, impatient rude but competent speedster character in Sonic. He isn't Sonic.
>>154856506Sonic media after 2013 is not allowed to break character from the video games. If there is an official statement that a character doesn't do something then it is banned from all media
>>154856495Except the people who worked on Sonic Boom and Sonic Prime have said that characters are heavily mandated. Fucking Big the Cat has so many mandates that the Sonic Boom writers decided to not use him.
>>154856477Mario losing the summer AND winter games makes no sense since Sonics bumass cant swim without a life jacketIan JQ is black and blacks suck Sonics hedgehog cock lmao, its trueI'm black
>>154857045I never really understood why Sonic fans complain so much about mandates t b h. Every studio has mandates. In Sonics case Sega just wants Sonic to resemble the video games. Those games are more popular than the unmandated comics. It might be anti art but in the end of the day it's not hard to see why Sega would insist that you model the character after Sonic Adventure and not Satam
>>154856569>5% of his post is actually about Penders>95% of it is just seething about FlynnOk Penders
>>154857113Sonic comic fans don’t actually like Sonic. They just like the design.
>>154857113Because most IP owners aren't as anal as Sega is. And it's even worse because Sega of Japan oversees it all so there's time and language barriers. These things have been brought up in slowing the approval process down.
>>154856477Sonic always shits on Mario. And Mario shits on Sonic. That's why they're friends
>>154857563>Because most IP owners aren't as anal as Sega is.When they weren't anal they got Archie
>>154856477i dont know but it sucked
>>154856477Miracles are possible I guess
>>154857872Penders is a one man disaster that slinked his way in and tore everything he didn't like down so he could take over. His ultimate goal was getting rid of Robotnik and replacing it with his OC villain. Now that I think about it, he was a villain himself. Like Yuji Naka.
>>154857563>most IP owners aren't as anal as Sega is.A part of me thinks that they should, there are so many ass hats that just don't respect the characters they work on, also it's not like the comics were high art or anything at best I can count on the cyber lynx being decent and that's about it.If you want to have retarded ooc drama there's always the townies and donut steals to ruin/experiment/self insert over the main cast.
>>154857563>Because most IP owners aren't as anal as Sega is.They should be. I'm glad SEGA is strict. IDW would have found a way for make Tails a trans icon or some stupid shit if they had their way. The disaster wrought by Penders was a blessing in disguise because we know in retrospect it could only get worse from there. Way worse.As for the mandates themselves, it's hard to tell what is and isn't an exaggeration. On one hand, we have the Sonic Boom crew talking about how they were so limited with what they could do with Shadow it was almost not worth using him to having to fight for weeks just to use Vector. On the other hand, Ian, Evan, and every single IDW editor are complete hacks in terms of character writing. I guarantee if we knew exactly what Sega was asking for, even people from this very board could write a better and more faithful Sonic adaptation than IDW ever could.
>>154856495>>154857113>>154857563>"we can't write shadow because they want full creative control!">look inside>"shadow is heterosexual"
>>154859360You can’t blame sega for that, American writers would love to make someone gay especially a big charecter. Hell they tried to make Sally gay when sega told them repeatedly to stop shipping Sally with Sonic.
>>154856994>There is already a cocky, snarky, impatient rude but competent speedster character in Sonic. He isn't Sonic.Shadow?
>>154860149Charmy
>>154858212>His ultimate goal was getting rid of Robotnik and replacing it with his OC villain.And then reveal at the very end that he was always Robotnik to begin with.
>>154860149There's actually several characters like this already. Tangle, Charmy, Silver, Jet, Surge all fit the different character traits people want from old western Sonics. Jet especially. The only major difference is that he's a little less heroic and isn't horny or a sadsack.
>>154859280>even people from this very board could write a better and more faithful Sonic adaptation than IDW ever couldThis would be great if /co/ could actually make something
>>154860149He's talking about Jet. When people wish Sonic was more of a little shit, more cocky, more insecure, more competitive, more snarky. Jet exists. Turning Sonic into those things would make him just Jet again in order to make him similar to 90s American Sonic
>>154856477sega clearly didn't give a fuck
>"Sonic X was an adaptation of the Adventure games"Only for 12 episodes (6 for each game)
I like this animation stylehttps://youtu.be/-IM4fN6fW-o?si=z-uISos1xTOsr1jO
>>154860755No more than they did for the Jim Carrey movies.
>>154857114It's funny you couldn't actually refute anything written in and just had to simp for Ian instead. Odds of selling that bridge on the moon looking better by the second.
>>154859280/co/ would make Vanilla a hyperfuta and then adapt an arc that was just Bench Tails.
>>154857114Flynn is the same as Penders.
>>154861420Write a big enough check and Sega won't care.
I imagine Iizuka wasn't very involved with Sonic X. He was busy with Heroes and the Shadow game
>>154859360>>154859993Let's be real, he's the ultimate life form. Dude is always gonna fuck someone as long as there is a hole. He probably even has an inhibitor ring on his cock so that he doesn't accidentally kill his partners
>>154859360Did the voices in your head say that? Or do you genuinely think that straw man is equal to "shadow MUST live in a featureless cave"?
>>154860962also battle, but that was what also 6 episodes?
I love the Shadow game
>>154861722>shadow would slobber over cock!Uhuh, keep saying that
>>154857563>Because most IP owners aren't as anal as Sega is.Really insisting in that "Sonic fans don't know anything that isn't Sonic", huh
>>154862032Shadow will never slobber your cock.
>>154861636So what was OK KO's excuse? I doubt they had the money to throw around like Paramount did.
>they randomly kiss in a mid Season 1 episode>it doesn't happen again until the Season 2 finale where they defeat RobotnikWouldn't it have been better if the writers waited until the S2 finale?
>>154862573Tails reacts as if he started beating her
>>154862408Look at Nintendo and how protective they are of Mario. And they are still more open to different versions. Only Disney at their most anal and pushing the hardest on MCU synergy comes close and that fucked them over so badly they walked some of it back and have embraced all versions of their characters. Sega will never do that.
>none of the events in the game happened>Elise's father isn't shown to be alive in the last scene, so nothing implies she is happier or less lonely in that new timelineOne of the shittiest endings in gaming
>>154862809Not only that but SEGA pretends the game doesn't exists, meta
>>154856600Yeah I always thought of OKKO as "Some guy on /co/ made a cartoon".>>154856610I just started watching Smiling Friends and it seems more like "Some guy from Newgrounds made a cartoon". Which is true right? It's very shitposty for something airing on television.
>>154862904>Some guy from Newgrounds made a cartoonThat too, probably helps that quite a few Newgrounds artist lent their voices on the show. (Firth was the most recognizable, I'd hear Jerry Jackson anywhere.)
>>154862826Except when it's convenient for them to remember, such as Silver's continued presence.
>>154861880based
>>154857563Pokemon. Pokemon's mandates are 100 times stricterThe issue with Sonic isn't the mandates, it's that they hire writers that are shit. The mandates all amount to >DO NOT WRITE ARCHIE>DO NOT WRITE SATAM>WRITE LIKE THE VIDEO GAMESWhich is pretty restrictive, but it doesn't restrict you from writing good stories, since there are Sonic games with good stories. Arguably, Sonic X fits every single characterization mandate and it's just fine. Every single Sonic game fits within the boundaries of the mandates. There is no reason to associate the mandates themselves with bad writing. Even Ian Flynn says as much. You don't get to write Sonic as a teen jock who needs to come to grips with the world and get a girlfriend because that is not Sonic, never was. Sega will never recognize this as Sonic and never has. That is the price of having canon media. If something isn't canon like the movies it gets looser standards.
>Listen, Major Nobody-Cares. You know why nobody cares who you are? Because nobody cares about your feeble accomplishments. And nobody cares how proud your mommy is that you're now reading at a 3rd grade level. Have you finished Charlotte's Web yet? Spoiler alert: She dies in the end. But she leaves a big creepy egg sac.... Ah, my babies! Look at what came out of my egg sac! You know what I love about machines? They do what they're told. They follow their programming. They don't need time off to get drunk and put the boat in the water. Now, you do what you're told. Stand over there on the edge of your personal abyss, and watch my machines do your job
>>154863231>Pokemon's mandates are 100 times stricterhow so
>>154863429I could list them off, but I'll just explain the overall effectSonic's mandates are created to prevent future media from doing things that Sonic would never do in the video games, like Archie and romance for example. That's the big one people argue about. Game Sonic is not that kind of guy, Archie Sonic was. Sega does not want future Archie Sonics. Compare this to Pokemon. Every single incarnation of the Pokemon World is under heavy restriction. Just enough restriction to stop it from deviating and creating a subfandom that doesn't jive with their games. If you watch the anime, the world is almost exactly the same as the games. The characters may act different, the game mechanics might get changed for actual worldbuilding, but the anime is not allowed to decide to make Professor Oak and Cynthia bang. Pokemon media is not even allowed to acknowledge things that aere canon to the games but break the brand image. For example the fact that Pokemon eat each other is strictly forbidden even though it is canon.
>>154863429Notice how there is no offshoot version of the Pokemon franchise where people say "Why can't the games be more like this" becaiuse they are all like the games. The manga is the closest thing to that and its just the games but edgy Every Sonic adaptation is inconsistent with the games. Even Satam which had little to go off of breaks cardinal rules Sega already had.
>>154856477Its funny how much people seethe about netflix DMC when it's objectively more faithful to the source material than any american Sonic cartoon. I don't even want faithfulness but it's just interesting. Sonic fans WANT more inaccuracies.
>>154863522The original Kanto series had almost nothing to do with the games aside from the gyms, which were pretty much the only mandatory plot structure the writers had to follow.
So was the Werehog meant as a reference to Ristar?
>>154863654I'm aware. The writer actually spoke on his blog that some time around gen 2 the restrictions came down hard
SatAM is a terrible cartoon and a total waste of time
>>154863997Yes, we know. Go make your weekly thread about it and cry there.
>>154863997I legitimately tried to like it. Watched every episode from beginning to end. It was boring. I never understood the cult following behind this show. Sonic was the most annoying character. Dude doesn't fucking shut up.
>she didn't have any clothes besides the boots for 12 episodes
>>154862573kek oh my fuckI was literally letting people blather on about how SatAM was a misunderstood masterpiece in their 2 hour long videos to see if anyone could change my mind, and it's fucking unanimous among them that "saving their kiss for the finale" was a genius moveAnd yet you're telling me they'd already done it earlier?How the fuck are you supposed to come out looking good when you make hour-long monstrosities pimping out this show when you fundamentally lie about its plot?
>>154864273They kiss earlier, but it isn't romantic. They're playing around. Sally shoots Sonic down when he tries to call her his girlfriend, so the kiss at the end of the show was more of a real kiss
>>154864394That's fine. Structuring the entire analysis like the kiss is the big deal as if it didn't happen before, and "kid's shows didn't really do this!" when there was one earlier isn't. You'd think they'd at least point out as much as you did - "this time it's different", "they view themselves as equals", so on.Like this show and shill it to your heart's content, I don't mind. Just don't lie about what's in it.
>random non-animal wizard in one episodeWhat even is SatAM?
>>154864454Most likely a generic forest fantasy story of heroic critters verses evil overlord that got hastily rewritten to include Sonic, Tails, and Robotnik.
>>154864516Was that ever proven?
>>154857045>Fucking Big the Cat has so many mandatesLike?
You guys yap about how evil these mandates are and then it's shit like "Knuckles doesn't rape"
>>154857113>In Sonics case Sega just wants Sonic to resemble the video games.Well they must have been sleeping during all the production and releases of their hideous live action films.
>>154865016The Rapist Knuckles Fandom is on life support, please understand
>>154856477From what I've seen from other sonic media, especially US-specific stuff, no one but super retards actually think penders has any relevance nowadays. It's almost ALL due to sega themselves trying to enforce their own idea to what is canon or not. But Sega also lets a ton of shit get through either through ignorance, or simply being Sega. The penders situation is literally a non-issue.
>>154865047They don't really have much say in those. They signed away most of it when the contract was made.
>>154863997Archie did its concept and characters better. I just wish that the early 2000s era of the book wasn't so shit so often>>154864516>>154864534It's just the result of these tie-ins being made by boomers who don't play many video games, during a time where there's little material to work with, so they just go with what they know. SatAM goes for forest fantasy, AOSTH goes for classic cartoons, and early Archie went for both along with funny animal comics, silver age sci-fi and capeshit
>>154865093No fucking wonder they turned out like that.
>>154860703No one does this. Satam is treated as a joke by everyone but the weirdest autists and Jet is an asshole to a comical degreeUnless you're making a strawman out of people saying Sonic shouldn't be one note and instead have an emotional range appropriate for a character that was designed to be cool and edgy
>"You'll always be my hero, Sonic Hedgehog"Reminder that Hedgehog is his surname in that show
>>154863231Pokémon has a dev team that’s more beaten down and incapable of turning out a good game than Sonic Team. Their last two main games were shit and mocked for how bad they are. But they still sold well because TPC knew people would buy it anyway. The way they handle their IP damages the quality of their product and the same can be said about Sega. Don’t let them off the hook while pointing out another company with the same problem but get some pushback (but still rake in money).
>>154865047They don't care because the movies aren't canon.
>>154865385Pokemon is just incompetent.Look at Vikavolt stats and dex entry or the fact that these retards though people wouldn't use a special move on a pokemon with 150 special atk, complete idiots design wise.They also canned a game about riding pokemon early development then proceeded to take the worst posible routes to not riding your own pokemon several games in a row until they decided to give you a legendary as a bike over riding your own cool creatures you would prefer over them.It's not even because they are rushed or lashes by management, they are just incredibly retarded when it comes to their own players.
>>154865310Nah, Sally is just really fucking autistic and formal.
Adventure 1 is something else
