Why, of all capeshit, does Japan love Spiderman and X-Men the most?Not complaining but it's an interesting pattern I've noticed; capeshit nerds in Japan like those two specific properties from MAHVEL CONSISTENTLY.Pic semi-unrel (yes it seems like they're generating aislop for threesome shipping lmao)
>>154859020They have a shitload of history with Spider-man, and X-Men are basically sentai to them.
>>154859020First off, it's Spider-Man. Secondly, CRY FOR THE MOOOOOOON!
WHENS MAHVEL?
>>154859020>Why, of all capeshit, does Japan love SpidermanHe is the Emissary of Hell
>>154859020Spidey got a live action tokusatsu thing, a manga and his appearances in fighting games since MSH.Beyond that he's just well recognized from fame, and mangaka seem to appreciate his visually interesting action, BnH gave the main character an ability identical to web swinging and one of the villain types is based on Venom.X-men got a jap dub for the cartoon https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_kY9fpRsEc, fighting game appearances since CotA, an anime, and a lot of mangaka were inspired by the designs and powers.Early exposure builds a foundation that builds off itself with time, basically.
>>154859020Because they're the most interesting superheroes.They have superpowers, external augmentations, interesting personalities, and cool aesthetics. The augmentation part is what a lot of people miss. Spider-man realized that it would be helpful to swing from building to building, so he invented the web shooters, and Wolverine has the Adamantium skeleton. This is important because it makes them seem a lot more thought-through than some overpowered self-insert that are just born or granted powers.
>>154859020They're the coolest
>>154859053August 6th.
>>154859020Because despite what leftists will tell you, Japan has great taste
>>154859020Because they're probably the closest in tone and style to shounen anime.Heroes like Batman and Superman are very "adult" in that they're both grown men who more or less have their shit together. Japan prefers stories about teenagers or very young adults who are still figuring it out which is Spidey and the X-men.
>>154859020Spider-man is basically Kamen Rider and X-men are Cyborg 009.I am not shitting you, they overlap quite a lot.
>>154859020Why doesn’t Japan like Batman?Even the creator of MHA and the artist for OPM manga are huge Spider Man fans
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>>154859273>Why doesn’t Japan like Batman?Do you not remember where there was a manga where Batman got turned into a baby, and Joker takes care of him?
>>154859020I saw this on /tv/ and started laughing.
>>154859338>thewritersthinlyveiledfetish.jpg
>>154859353>UOHHHH
>>154859020Teens with powersEvery other hero is either a grown ass man with an unattainable science doctorate or is a literal alien who was born with powers.
>Kamen Rider 1 was a biochemistry student at a university.>Kamen Rider 2 was a freelance photographer.>Spider-man is bothKek>>154859256>Heroes like Batman and Superman are very "adult" in that they're both grown men who more or less have their shit together.Heh, not true. Having read the first Kamen Rider manga, there was barely any place for youth.
>>154859020spider man is the father of super sentai, and theyve had a base knowledge of the xmen since the 90s. what capes should they like?
>>154859397>what capes should they like?Just spiderman and x-menLike I said, not complaining, but it's an interesting pattern
>>154859020It's something that has been cultivated for decades, so now the japs see him as part of their cultural substrate. Kind of like what Nestle did to make japs switch from tea to coffee.
>>154859397Miles Morales for having the sexual swagger of a cocky latinx teen who can destroy fragile white egos
Both properties attract the most perverts.
>>154859426Miles isn't really a latino thoughbeit, he's more black
>>154859020>2 likes>>154859353>3 likes
>>154859397>spider man is the father of super sentai,I would give that title to a person, Shotaro Ishinomor rather than spider-man.
>>154859410you kinda have to think about what was available to work with.when it comes to the 90s, there was xmen, spider man,(which they kinda have a base knowing of) batman (tas i feel would do well if translated well) iron man (could appeal to metal heroes fans) fantastic four (dont think this would be a good candidate) incredible hulk(would do well during the first season, only to get whiplash at season 2) ultraforce(a literal bunch of nobodies in marvel limbo) wildcats(more nobodies at the time)and super man. considering the xmen had game properties coming out in japan at the time, i can see why they were the number 2
>>154859020Do the nips also ask themselves>why does the west love Dragon Ball, Naruto and battle shonen in general
I bet they like classic Iron Man. https://youtube.com/watch?v=Y63i2NR9-LE
>>154859458ishimori for toku in general, sure, but the super part of super sentai is on spider mans shoulders
>>154859020My question is why do they only like live action and video games but the comics barely sell? >>154859459You have to consider that western action live action is way more popular than action western cartoons. I could see Iron man getting big because of the post 2000 movies and not because of the forgettable 90s cartoon.
>>154859020Spider-Man has a strong history in Yamato thanks to the toei show. The Raimi movies were all top movies over there
It's literally because of the hot teens angle. This is Marvel comics, who are also known for their swimsuit specials in the 90s whereas DC never really did anything like that. The most DC had was usually just Teen Titans and LoSH, the former only becoming famous in Asia after the Murakami cartoon and the latter is basically still nonexistent.
>>154859474I mean that's just normal. Nobody buys comics no matter where in the globe they are.
>>154859474probably because theres less to digest in a movie rather than a tv show, but there wasnt much live action to work with at the time like there is now outside of batman movies
>>154859020>2 likesdude
>>154859486Trvke
>>154859486Teens used to buy comics back in my day and Japan has a very strong comic culture, they buy their own comics all of the time.
>>154859474They already have manga and anime. The videogames was because Marvel was going bankrupt in the 90s and were looking for anything to make money on besides comics. But it turns out, them licensing all those third-party games was actually worth it in the long run because unlike their biggest competitor DC, they are not beholden to a corporate umbrella like Time-Warner, so they were just free to license off the characters easily to Japanese devs to make games on.
>>154859486By that I mean that the comics never sold on par with their own shonen stuff. I know that comics have never been globally popular but you would expect people to not ignore them if the characters are that popular considering the comics offer the best stories of those characters.
>>154859486Explain the literal crowds of people going to Comiket then.
>>154859474American Comics aren't very popular even in America so them not being big in Japan is expected. That said, a problem is a lack of translations. Most Japs are really bad at reading English despite all the education. If you look at the replies to the marvel manga announcement a lot of the replies are from Japs asking for more comic translations
>>154859524They also use these comics to learn how to draw by the way beyond just using manga. There are a fuckton of Japanese artists who are inspired by Moebius, Mignola and Kirby.
>>154859465The intro is cool but the show itself was pretty meh>>154859459> batman (tas i feel would do well if translated well)That I cold see being somewhat popular.
>>154859524I have no clue how many american comic shops are in Japan, but they exist
>>154859523To see the new toys and movie trailers and eceleb interviews while also dressing up as fotm
>>154859527It goes both ways, since a fuckton of westerners were inspired(and continue to be) by manga artists.
>>154859531so the japanese are unfortunate to have had the krakoa shit translated? do they have a western translation scene like we do for eastern series
>>154859536I never said we weren't. "Geek" culture back then was just primarily US-Japan cultural exchange for the longest time.
>Spider-man will end up together with Jean Grey because MCU always bleeds to comicsThis wasn't what we wanted when us fans wanted Spider-man to get back together with his redheaded wife
>>154859524>Japs asking for more comic translationsAre they worth it? Translations should be done only if the demand is enough for it to be profitable and that's true for manga and european comics as well.
>>154859544>leaving EuroCHADs out of the equation American comics would be nothing without Europe.
>>154859545Ironboy is dying in Secret Wars by the way. It's his planned exit.
>>154859533That's wrong. Doujinshi sell a lot and that's the main purpose of a Comiket and that's ignoring all the other doujin conventions that are even more specialized. >also dressing up as fotmA lot of cosplays are of older characters.
>>154859552What an odd thing to say, the comics industry has always been stronger in the US since it's the land of the pulp fiction.
S-SPIDERMAN SAMA! NANI! YOU'RE TELLING ME THAT JEAN HAD UNPROTECTED SEX WITH YOU AGAINST YOUR WILL?! GULP! THAT WOULD MEAN YOUR SPIDER SPERM GOT ALL UP IN HER WOMB AND PROBABLY IMPREGNATED HER! AND I'M NOT EVEN IN THIS UNIVERSE YET, IGNORING JAMES MARSDEN IN DOOMSDAY! WHAT CAN I SAY BUT YABBA DABBA DOOO!
>>154859524>not being big in Japan is expected.I would expect them to be more popular because Japan has a stronger comic culture. But hell, looking at >>154859531 they put the fucking superman movie in front of watchmen, fucking retards.
>>154859564HARAME! NAKADASHI! NU-KYUN NU KYUN!
>>154859562>the comics industry has always been stronger in the USYes but a lot of american artists were inspired by europeans artists, hell that's true for a lot of old american media.
>>154859583Because Americans are Europeans, anon.
>>154859482>for their swimsuit specials in the 90sWe are talking about LA here since capeshit comics don't sell that well. I think if DC got MvC kind of game, the dc girls would have gotten equal amount of fanservice
>>154859531They seem to be a rarity. I think France and America have more manga on display than Japan has dc/marvel shit. >>154859524Imo they should translate more non-capeshit, maybe the nips would like it more.
>>154859524>The Best of Spider-Man>Spider-Man Lifestory I could have done without inserting Miles, but it at least derailed Superior tooNext to>OMD>Recent sadomasocuckfetish shitWhat an insane era we live in.
>>154859564I dunno if this joke lands with Cyclops when he canonically is a massive cuck who's girl rides the Wolverine carousel despite being 5'1 and smelly and rude
>>154859617Kek this. Maybe they just only get shit like this put front and center and that's why they aren't interested. They should translated more pre 90s capeshit if they want to sell the actual good stuff.
>>154859604DC being under Time-Warner was always a double-edged sword for them.
>>154859617It's being put there as some sort of hanger-on since they are abysmally dogshit.
>>154859617I forgot to save it but I saw atleast one Japanese person on twitter speak highly of wells-san spider-man
>>154859646And I saw a Japanese person saying he enjoys watching scat porn. Why should that matter?
>>154859653It is absolutely not surprising that a Japanese person is into scat porn
>>154859691Then it shouldn't be surprising that he is into wells spider-man either.
>>154859564LMAO.
>>154859625Cyclops is the one who cucked Jean with Emma. Spiderman on the other hand is an actual cuck whose wife/gf literally left him for another man.
>>154859043>X-Men are basically sentai to them.They are more like esperers.
>>154859524Took me a while to find it but here's what the best of spidey book collects. afaict the Japanese publisher for these marvel translations (Shogakukan-Shueisha Production) is the same one that Marvel dropped for Kadokawa recently. I can't find any source if they also dropped them as translators
An EXPLOSIVE american comic launch in a japanese book store. There must be a least some demand
>>154859020Because they're the only characters that don't have Japanese media equivalents. Same reason they love Superman.
>>154859604>I think if DC got MvC kind of game,They definitely tried.
>>154859471>, but the super part of super sentaithe characters from cyborg 009 already had superpowers.
>>154859799>Because they're the only characters that don't have Japanese media equivalentsThere are plenty of manga and anime with x-men like characters. Wtf are you talking about?
>>154859066Interestingly enough their spider-man has influenced our spider-man. STAS was literally inspired by Supaidaman
>>154859811I'm just going by memory, and can't be bothered to look it up right now, but if I remember correctly the idea that eventually became Battle Fever J -- which added giant mechs to the Sentai formula -- was original conceived as an Avengers toku to follow up Supaida-Man.
>>154859796I am sure there are a few nip fans(most likely fans of the movies that want to check them out) but it's really hard to compete with the domestic industry. I think the stores should sell some of the classics instead of new shit.
>>154859541I recall seeing threads on 2ch with some scans for Slott's Spider-Verse.
>>154859844Yeah that's true, it introduced some tropes but not the super powers one and I would argue that at least some of the tropes don't feel like they are Spider-man like but more like tropes that were already getting popular in jap media and happened to be in the series. >Battle Fever JI've read that it was supposed to be modeled after captain america.
>>154859864>Slott's Spider-VerseGRIM.
>>154859020>Why, of all capeshit, does Japan love Spiderman and X-Men the most?Because those are the characters Marvel made actual effort in marketing to Japan, and have successive generational cartoons and games. This is the same reason that until around 2008 there were the only Marvel characters the average NPC anywhere knew, along with the Hulk, largely because his 70s show existed in reruns long enough for generational knowledge of it.
>>154859020I went to Japan in April and went to the Kyoto 'international manga museum' and Blister Comics in Tokyo. The manga museum was or course 99% Japanese manga but they had stuff like Watchmen and Dark Knight Returns. Blister Comics was a speciality store specifically for western comics and there was some modern translated stuff but the stuff getting best placement on the shelf and the stuff the clerk told me sells the best was stuff like pic related. They had Japanese translated comic adaptations of the films. There was also a Raimi Spider-Man movie comic I've never seen before.I think they just like the movies because it's more accessible and then if they bother to read the comics at all they want stuff like the film. Probably a similar effect to how many people from English speaking countries will watch subbed or dubbed anime rather than actually make the effort to read manga.Tbh there also just wasn't a huge selection of stuff actually translated into Japanese it was like a little bit of modern stuff then these film adaptation comics.
>>154860239These confirms my suspicion that most of them only care about the movies and video games rather than comics.
>>154859020What happened to Gwenpool? I thought Japanese were also fans of Gwenpool?
>>154859820Don't argue with me bitch. Ive read more comics and manga than you ever will
>>154860668Then how do you not know about all the stories that deal with super powered people being seen as lesser that you can find in manga? Maybe you are just pretending.
>>154860239>English speaking countries will watch subbed or dubbed anime rather than actually make the effort to read manga.I do both(without the dubbed part) but the actual true manga readers in the west are the French. They love manga
>>154860255They are the normalfag nation.The high iq used to join the yakuza, but nowadays the common japanese teenager and millenial is a retard bootlicker.
>>154860719Reading capeshit doesn't make you high iq, sorry to break it to you.
You know, is shit like this that makes me proud of not being a marcuck normalfag, and being a dirty DCfag.>>154860737But enough talking about yidsney and marvil
>>154860719>They are the normalfag nation.You could literally say that about every country since everyone is enjoying the big blockbuster movies more than the comics + the japs have their own comics with their own genres and demographics so not shit most of them are not avid marvel/dc readers.
>>154859308Decent Harley & Katana design.Also funny interpretation of Clayface.
>>154859527Bless them.
>>154859020Spider-Man is honorary sentai and has a history with the genre. X-Men is a drama that has a lot of tropes that Japanese love. Plus it has a lot of waifus and cool looking characters.
>>154860909That explains why it is shit.
>>154860909Spider-man comics turned to shit when they stopped feeling like sentai
>>154859591Nowadays not really.
>>154859564Cyclops is significantly older than Jean this time, so I don't think he and Jean grew up together in this continuity. I wonder how the love triangle will work unless they decide to ditch it and just make Emma Frost his only love interest.
>>154860909>>154860944Eddie Brock also feels like the anti-hero or rival that you'd see in a lot of Japanese media.
>>154859269>X-men are Cyborg 009How? They gained their powers via cybernetic enhancements. >>154859867>I've read that it was supposed to be modeled after captain america.It was, it was their attempt at a Captain Japan and took some direct design influences from Captain America.
People that point out stuff about the comics "because they feel like manga" are ignoring the fact the most popular Spider-man media are the Raimi movies and the toku spider-man and the most popular x-men media are the cartoon and MvC in Japan. These are why the characters are popular.
>>154859536This. Rumiko has inspired so many western comic and webcomic artists.
