This show was only good for the pilot but even that got the Sonic canon wrong.
in other words tawog is at least funny even is not even canonical.
the sonic canon being what?
>>154885714>canonThere were only 2 Sonic games out when the cartoon was made and they barely had a story
>>154885714Wasn't SatAM confirmed to be a completely different project that eventually got Sonic showed into the plot? Or did I dream that?
Funny how they easily defeat him in the last episode using a pair of magical stones introduced 2 episodes before
It's funny how SatAM is clearly trying to be a timeless show about good vs evil/nature vs technology, but it still puts outdated 90s dialogue in every episode (i'm juicing, way past cool, jelly and jam time, mondo-problem)
>>154888980Well no shit its going to have outdated 90s dialogue it came out in the 90s....
Robotnik wasn't a good villain at all
>>154887963>There were only 2 Sonic games out when the cartoon was made and they barely had a storyThis cartoon wasn't out yet when sonic's creators said he isn't a flirt >but muh madonna pic drawn by a person who said sonic would never fall in love under any circumstances
>>154885714>Sonic canon>in 1991the 'canon' was a blue hedgehog fights an egg that turns animals into robots.
>>154888451you dreamed it, there's no evidence.
https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/154737356/#q154737356OP is an autistic bot.
imagine being unable to enjoy a song written in the '70s because it included words like 'groovy' or 'far out' or 'happenin' in the lyrics.imagine being unable to enjoy Shakespeare because of the doths and thees and thys.
I'm glad they came up with an explanation as to why Robotnik was such a piece of shithttps://youtu.be/VMm20U9iPlY?feature=shared
>even worse than the god-awful cartoon seriesI hope that 2001 reviewer was talking about SatAM
>>154891938SatAM was done by '95. he was talking about Underground.
>>154892284Did anybody even know Underground existed when it was new? SatAM and Adventures had ample airtime on local broadcast, but it seemed like Underground was dumped onto basic cable in places nobody would see it, like USA's dying cartoon block.
>>154885714I enjoyed it as a kid, but I also wasn't autistic, so the show not being just like the games didn't trigger me.
>>154890933why do people keep saying this as if there wasn't a sonic game that came out literally the same wee as satam where Sega of America blatantly bastardized the localization because it completely contradicted satam
>>154892399All they did was stupidly change Amy's name to Sally. Compared to what they'd do to something like Knuckles' Chaotix, Sonic CD got off lightly.
>>154885714>even that got the canon wrongwho cares you neurodivergent faggot
>>154892439And Amy is very clearly not SallyAnd Sonic is very clearly described with the basis personality that the video games would later go on to use, not the radical dude with tude quip machine from satam and archie
One show was certainly more faithful than the other
>>154892321I don't know about new but I have met a few zoomers who grew up on it and thought that was all Sonic was because the DVDs were cheap.
>>154892321I remember Underground being on during Sundays mornings, and I'd usually miss it because mom would take me to Sunday school.
>>154892542This but with AoSTH, one time I threw a tantrum and made my parents wait in the car until I finished an episode.
Sonic Underground came on at 6:00am. I woke up super early to watch it at at time before I figured out that modern Sonic sucked.
>>154892321i'm that anon.i only knew it existed because i caught it by accident but yes i was absolutely aware of it.i hated it because it wasn't SatAM.
>>154892399>literally the same wee as satamyou answered your own question.it was just brand synergy.
>>154892493>Adventures of was faithful!this is a meme.
>>154887920I wanna say how the show doesn't showcase any related zones from the games if that's what anon is saying as if so yeah I remember it being odd they didn't just pick something from the very source material. Oh and also Tails hardly at all does anything, he barely flies which is crazy.
I think hardcore Sonic fans would have less disdain for Satam if Richard Kuta didn't exist but that's just me. You never see the same level of resentment towards any of the other cartoons and let's be honest none of the cartoons are lore/characterized accurate at all. Even the ones made after the games had plotsSatam actually gets a surprising amount of things right for what little it has to go off of
>>154892493Aosth Sonic is literally a harem protagonist like Archienic. This specific detail is one of the few things we knew was inaccurate in the 90s. Sonic isn't a horndog.Aosth was not more accurate than Satam. They are both roughly the same level of inaccuracy. Satam at least based itself on the environment theming
>>154892644All of those things are in my copy of Sonic 2.I think that yours is just broken.
>>154892664>Satam at least based itself on the environment themingAnd couldn't even get that right. Even in Eggman-ruled places like Scrap Brain or Oil Ocean, they had motion and energy to them. Robotropolis is essentially a static graveyard in comparison, which at least makes sense for its take of Robotnik who wants to completely genocide all organic life off the planet as opposed to simply making a mess like game Eggman would.
>>154892630>My own questionNo. Game Sonic had a personality and a background. Satam ignored it. The people making the videogames explicitly said that their requests were ignored when Satam was made. Iizuka refers to 90s western Sonic as a completely different thing. The OVA is an example of something faithful of what was considered Sonic at the time while taking liberties. Satam is a Dragonball Evolution tier fuckup that is only tolerated by oldfags because of nostalgia
>>154892754The OVA isn't canon either.
>>154892649There's like, 13 people who even know who that is. The SatAM hate isn't as pervasive as you believe, it's the same 2 or 3 autists on 4chan incessantly fuming about it for years on end.
I don't see what Robotnik finds compelling about the idea of Snively and him being the only ones in Mobius with any free will
>>154892754Dragon Ball Evolution is more accurate to Dragon Ball than Satam. I actually saw that movie and I'm tired of this comparisonDBE Goku loves eating. He loves fighting. He wants to battle. His hair returns to its original shape no matter what. That movie had some level of attention to the source material. Satam didn't even try.The only thing equal is that both made the protagonist more interested in romance
What was known about Sonic's personality when Satam came out?>Not a hero>Hates anything slow>not a flirtyou can fairly argue that Satam broke all three of these BUT BUT BUTThe video games would break all of these by themselves with 06
>>154892762Decades! These zealots never stop. My love for Adventures has kind of dimmed just because the mega fans are so annoying.
>not muh SonicKill yourself
>>15489281006 did not turn Sonic into a flirtit did not turn Sonic into a traditional heroIt did not make Sonic slow down for anyone
>>154892321It used to come on weekdays on the Teletoon channel. I thought it was SatAM being re aired with a new season, and was confused on where Sally Acron was and why Sonic now has siblings. I hated the musical numbers. I'd always change the channel when the singing would start. Would feel embarrassed watching it around others.
>>154892648>I remember it being odd they didn't just pick something from the very source material.with SatAM, you'll get places that kind of look like zones but are unnamed.Adventures of namedrops a few zones but then you see them and they don't look ANYTHING like any game zone.
>>154892828Its an interesting type of autism to witness.
I actually hate western Sonic with all my heart but I don't think the way Sega handled Archie was good. They basically forced a shit load of rules onto an ongoing canon extremely late into its run causing the story to break apart on top of the Penders lawsuit. That is not how you handle it. If Sega wanted brand consistency they should have established it on day 1, not 20 years down the line. It's their own fault. Archie was just doing its job.
>>154892828Talk about sore winningEverything off brand about Satam and Archie has been successfully killed by Sega and is never going to appear again and people still get angry that it ever existed
>AOSTH>SatAM>Quest for Camelot>UndergroundThe only companies that were stupid enough to hire Jaleel White to do animation voice acting in the 90s were DIC/Sega of America and Warner Bros
>>154892894I think its just 2 obsessed autists on here. One goes into threads for other Sonic cartoons just to shit on satam despite it not being mentioned.
>>154892754>Game Sonic had a personalitylolgame Sonic's personality was 'impatient' >The people making the videogamescan't make good videogames so who cares what they think>The OVA is faithfulah yes everyone's favorite Sonic game characters old man owl and the president's anime catgirl daughterJP purists are so bizarre. watch them screetch about how Sonic must never fuck and must always be homeless, it is so IMPORTANT for Sonic to sleep under bridges and eat out of dumpsters.
i've said it before, i'll say it again, i'll say it forever.people who talk shit about American Sonic have zero fucking clue how bad the early stuff Japan came up with was.
>>154892928You say that like we've ever gotten good media where Sonic has a home It always sucks. Sonic X is especially shit
>>154892928>never fuckI was with you until you advocated for shipping.Sonic being completely loveless is the best decision Sega ever made if not one of their only good decisions. Shippers should never get validation. I have been in the trenches. I have seen what happens when writers listen to shippers. Never again.
>>154892967Imagine how different everything would be if they went with that isekai plot.
>>154892972but SatAM is right there
>>154892928>character literally wants to go on adventures all the time>bro why doesn't he have a housewhy do you think mate
Apparently /co/ struggles with the concept of a vagabond wanderer
>>154893026ya mate that's why Lara Croft was homeless after all.like what's the point when you're always going to be in some crypt
>>154893045Lara Croft has the exact same problem as Sonic. Taking her larger than life video game personality and trying to force it into something relatable and emotionally available completely ruined her character.
idk man i think its funny that he is so weird that he'll just sleep on a tree or a roof instead of a fucking bed, that actually does add character.
apparently JP purists are deathly afraid of anything more complicated than quick, adventure-of-the-week stories.
>>154893073>characteris this the polite way to say 'mental illness'?
>>154893093>sonic is mentally ill in canon
>>154888980This isn’t anymore cringe than 20% cooler or rizz.
>>154893000not like they're above throwing shippers a bone every now and then
>>154893079Correct me if I get a single thing wrongI'm no JP purist but from the outside looking in the JP purist ideal = Sonic as he is presented in games like SA2, Unleashed, Heroes. Basically the 2000sWhereas for Satam fans it's satam or Archie.I guess I never see people defending the IDW version, but I don't watch Sonic fans argueWhen you list off the personality differences between Satam and the 2000s games you get a lot of random little thigns, but in particular the biggest difference is that Sonic doesn't fuck and doesn't live anywhere. Which means all of his bonds with women are platonic. So the JP purist argument here would be that this is literally just how he is. Anything else is a mistranslation or just made up by the cartoons. Unfaithful and bad.That Sonic's appeal here is that he isn't motivated by earthly temptations but by the thrill of action. Kind of like Peter Pan, Ash Ketchum. Other escapist boyish characters. For the western fan they want a character who you can imagine hanging out with or talking to. A kind of guy who would be cool in real life as one of your friends rather than an esoteric concept. At their worst, a japanese Sonic story will overinflate Sonic's importance until he is the only liing creature on earth who can remember that the planet rotates. This makes him come across like some kind of god figure who might be uninteresting to the viewer. This is a common issue with these kinds of characters.At their worst, an american Sonic story will present Sonic as a stock jock hero who can come across as obnoxious to the viewer. Maybe he's fucking his best friend's crush or saying annoying quips. This personality is also harder to ignore. The other personality can completely fly over your head if you don't care about the story and just want to play the game. Personality 1 mostly exists in the 2000s games and died in 2009 before suddenly coming back in IDWPersonality 2 existed in comics until 2013 but returned in the movie
>>154887963>*3 games Also the OVA only had the classic games to work off of and still was a more faithful adaptation. Bad excuse.
>>154893172>I guess I never see people defending the IDW versionYeah there's a reason for that
Robotnik is defeated, Sonic. You can now take off that backpack you've been using for the whole show
>>154893172>Unfaithful and bad.the faithful depiction is bad.don't believe me?can you tell me what the last good Sonic game was?>Peter Panhe grew up and married Wendy and fucked and had two kids who got kidnapped by Hook and some Filipino kid wearing bone armor got stabbed through the heart with a rapier.
>>154893166the whole point of amy is that you can throw a perfect girl tailored to sonic's needs at him and it wouldn't work this is just kind of fucking obvious by the fact that literally every time sonic team is involved he shows no interest whatsoever >muh sonic XIn one of the final fucking episodes of Sonic X Amy resorts to brainwashing to force Sonic to fall in love with her because he is definitively incapable of it. Because that's the character.I'm not even defending it. Shippers have to be fucking delusional to see it otherwise. If you think this character sucks then he sucks, but that's the character.
>>154893166This was Dimps throwing the bone, not Sega.
>>154893236>don't believe me?I don't know if it was obvious that wasn't me saying unfaithful = bad but paraphrasing the perspectivesorry if i wasn't clear
>>154893172Sonic is made for western audiences. Japanese don't give a shit about him. So its pointless to try to act like a faggot purist when their is no real canon to him in conception.
>>154893202>*1 gamethey started work on the show in October 1991.>more faithfullol
>>154893261>Japanese don't give a shit about himThis was until the live action movies. Now the once cult jap fandom is filled with larpers who refuse to touch the games.
>>154893275>DoyouthinkI'mcapableofsomethingthat'ssounderhanded?>YES!!! YES!!!
>>154893261The issue with this argument is that the highest grossing Sonic (outside of the films) is still the adventure gamesThe most successful cartoons aren't Satam or AOSTH, they're sonic X and Sonic prime, the two with the most involvement from Sega. Sonic game sales are poorer in japan, that's an objective fact, but they still outmeasure Sonic comic sales in america by a massive margin. The fandom for satam is objectively not larger than the japanese Sonic fandom isIf popularity is the argument then Sonic should be characterized how he is in Sonic Prime, as a single episode of Sonic Prime has ten times the viewership of the next most popular series
>>154885714This show WAS the Sonic canon at the time. What you understand as the “canon” is a retcon. Sonic media was not discussed in terms of “canons” back then, but I appreciate you don’t know that because you weren’t born yet.
^Actually the hole in most of these arguments is that Sonic Adventure 2 is globally the most popular Sonic story, to the point that the movies nostalgia pander to it as hard as possibleSonic Adventure 2 IS that characterization JP purists obsess over. You are going to have a difficult time convincing someone that SA2 Sonic is boring because he doesn't fuck
>>154893202The OVA replaced Amy with a catgirl. You only worship it because it’s Japanese.
>>154893326Why are you lying like we don't already know the opinions of everyone involved at sega at the time lol Ohshima thought it was cute but said that Sonic doesn't dateNaka called western Sonic an abomination and even went on a documentary to claim he flew out to america to tell them to stop (Birth of an Icon documentary)Iizuka said it was off brand and out of character and that they didn't listen to the character notes You would have to assume that the game devs are just lying.Ben Hurst himself said he did not get any information from the videogames and didn't know them and that if he continued the show he wouldn't try to learn it because that would damage the integrity of the series (he is correct)
>>154893326That was just SoA trying to push satam. No one in Japan ever considered it canon.
He is capable of agreeing to a datehttps://youtu.be/hdyN1IgG8ao?si=eFw6mwTRpq1vVQKX
>>154893331>SA2so is the irony lost on you?or do you see how including some sexy content vastly improves things?
>>154893372Shipperbros are gonna have to accept that this is such a hardline stance for Sega that they literally deleted a compelling romance from the comics for breaking canon even though its not even canon Sonic won't date Amy or anyone. Get over it. The most you are going to get is "Oh I forgot the date because I was too busy fighting demons"
>>154893359Sonic 2 didn't even sell half a mil in Japan, anon.no one in Japan even knew who Sonic was when this show was airing.
why do sonic conversations always revert back to shippingyou got like 50000 billion confirmations that the blue nigger wouldn't fuck even if he got hit with cupids arrow get over it so tiresome satam is based dont mix me up with jp purists
Sonic threads are some of the worst on this fucking board.
>>154893372yeah this happened in sonic x as well and then he fucked off because he is an asshole
>>154893421It's exclusively an Archie/Satam problem even though Archie retconned it anyways. The rest of it is delusional shippers
>>154893467then those people are fucking dumb
They knew what they were doing when giving her that design and telling Kath Soucie to sound like that
>>154893531>no vestSLUT
>>154893442Nobody is allowed to have any form of civil discussion of any Sonic media without the usual arguments of SatAM sucks, AoStH is the greatest thing ever because Pingas was funny, American Sonic will never be good no matter what, Archie sucks, IDW sucks, everything not AoStH sucks. It's like a bunch of shitty zoomers who base their entire childhood around youtube poops as what they think Sonic is.
>>154893531Theoretically what would happen to Sally if she was put in the video game canon? Dating Sonic is not an option and she doesn't have powers. Would she become some kind of battle planner?
>>154893562>American Sonic will never be good no matter whatThe movies are good. They take concepts from the videogames and rework them for the big screenArchie and Satam are complete and utter dog shit only liked by old people who legitimately think sonic wouldn't be marketable unless he was a retarded douchebag
>>154893563The same thing that happens to every other character. They show up for one game, then disappear into the background. And maybe cameo in a party game 10 years later.
>>154893563Either she'd be the leader of some rebel type group or be the princess of her own kingdom like Elise. Maybe both.
>>154893578>sonic wouldn't be marketable unless he was a retarded douchebagThat is entirely how Fleetway made Sonic, and everyone glazes that comic for being more faithful.
>>154893562>AoSTH>ZoomerMaybe some of the YTPs like you said, but that age group most likely grew up on Sonic X.
>>154893590The trick with fleetway isn't that it's faithful. It takes the unfaithful parts and portrays them as good things.Fleetway Sonic being an asshole isn't portrayed as something he has to grow out of, You are meant to agree with him when he insults the other characters.As a result the story format follows the same as the videogames accidentally. Sonic goes to a random place, is proven to be right about something and the characters there develop in his stead. It is NOT faithful, this is an incedental similarity that Archie/Satam don't have. Sonic's character flaws in Archie are strictly portrayed as bad things he has to grow out of. These things are different from the games so JP purists feel justified insulting them.Fleetway fans know JP purists have not and never will read fleetway to confirm it so they will fire pot shots from the safety of obscurityTLDR Sonic fans are often intellectually dishonest
>>154893594Sonic X was airing when the first zoomers (hi!!) were kids and YTPs were hot when those zoomers were becoming teens
>>154893594AOSTH was officially released on youtube with the other Sonic cartoons during the mid 2010s
Can you imagine if people talked this way about Mario. Endless arguments about Super Mario Bros Super Show sucking or not. Can we treat the Mario OVA as canon. Americans will never understand Mario as showcased by Super Mario Bros 1993 where Mario stares at tits. Why is it Sonic that has fandom as cursed and unstable as this. Is it because it has furries.
>>154893678Sonic is still an asshole, and that's not supposed to be his character that you are complaining about. What, you want him to buzzsaw Robotnik's head off because he'd be in the right to do so?
>>154893531Princess Sally gets her wrong>>154893372Modern Sonic slop>>154893442I'm going to save them>>154893590STC is the one true Sonic through
>>154893763Mario has one singular unfaithful adaptation and people hate it and mock it incessantly when its really just kind of mediocre and not eyball rape like they make it out to be
>>154893763if the original mario bros movie was an on-model animated adaptation it would literally be the exact same niche as satam but for mario
>>154893787Welp Mario sucks anyway>>154893794Who cares about that dumb plumber
>>154893763Mario is just the opposite end of the spectrum (heh)
>>154893786>>154893815Hey tootieschizo
>>154893763I would argue that the reason for Sonic is because Sonic has really bad video games. That is it.What you're talking about already happens. People get mad at adaptations for other properties for mischaracterization all the time. The difference is that it is universally agreed on unlike with Sonic. If you look at the Sonic equivalent of other franchises, it's the same. The only difference is the source material of those franchises is good.Netflix DMC is more accurate to the source material than any Sonic cartoon. Not even close. If you watch netflix DMC you will have a more accurate time describing the characters than any Sonic cartoon. DMC fans fucking hate netflix DMC.DMC is a good game, so it is acceptable for DMC fans to sperg out about how off brand it is. Sonic games are really bad, so a Sonic fan can say an objective proven truth but in the end of the day the game sucks so who really cares if it's accurate to the source material
>He doesn't remember when the internet acted like the pokemon series was bad for not adapting literal game mechanics faithfully
>>154893833I'm not a schizo
>>154893946No one acted like this.
>>154893959every review of the anime from before the mid 2010s shits on it for doing things you can't do in the games as if thats a bad thing
Maybe I am literally too y oung but Satam Sonic is annoying because of his weird 90sisms. The Sonic in the games doesn't talk like that. Hell he didn't fucking talk at all back then. That would be better. So yes unironically being unfaithful made it worse. I want to see the naked rat slut not this annoying shittard
>>154894013That's just how "cool by committee" characters talked back then.
>>154894034So basically like what 2020 movie Sonic is now
>>154885714>MUH SACRED NIPPON CANON>MUH BLUE ARMSFuck your canon and fuck your autism. No other fandom on the planet has this psychotic demand that literally ever iteration of a multimedia franchise be exactly the same. The internet was right to bully Sonic fans.
>>154894041Yeah. I'm sure the betas and the next generations will find movie Sonic cringe and have their own Sonic like previous generations did.
>>154894049I wouldn't care if it was Japanese or not but Satam sucks ass
>>154894049Satam fans are the only people on earth who think it's wrong for people who like a character to want that character to actually be in cartoons with his name instead of a skinwalker
>>154894053Betas are just starting to be born this year, right?
>>154894049IF you wrote yourself a hard rule that said "Sonic should only act how he did in the videogames" you are still dealing with a lot of inconsistency and even then it wouldn't be nearly as wrong as SHITTYAM.
>>154892967>>154893006Ah yes, Santiago. Sonic was never good, and shit like this is hard proof. >>154893261>Sonic is made for western audiences. Japanese don't give a shit about him.Careful, anon. You can't just go around stating facts. It hurts the narrative.
Sonic X is good and JapaneseSonic Satam is shitty and westernYou like it because of porn
>>154894049I forgot about the blue arm shitshow until you mentioned it. Goddamn sonicfags cannot deal with the smallest changes.
I actually hate both X and Satam in particular because ot of ALL the Sonic cartoons they have the worst action sequences. They're the two "dark" Sonic cartoons and somehow not a single episode in either series has a decent action sequence. Not a single solitary fight scene worth looking at. That means the only thing to hold them up is the writing. Sonic X barely has Sonic involved with the actual plot and Satam is insufferable when Sonic IS onscreen
>>154893563I always figured she'd play kinda like Zero. Nicole would be the Cyber Fairy function. >>154893582>Either she'd be the leader of some rebel type group or be the princess of her own kingdom like Elise. Maybe both.... So, she'd be Sally?
>>154893857>I would argue that the reason for Sonic is because Sonic has really bad video games. That is it.I don't see why anyone should care about adaptations being faithful to bad source material.
>>154894156>... So, she'd be Sally?Yeah, pretty much just adjusted slightly to fit in with the games canon.
>>154894176It would be piss easy to have the FF in the games. Literally Sonic is just running around and happens to visit the Kingdom of Acorn, which is just another country on the planet, and Eggman is attacking it. Make levels based on SatAM episodes and/or comic issues. Done.
>>154894170Retards love the 00s games so much instead of the good games like Mania (western made).
>>154885714>Sonic canonWhy is Sonic the Hedgehog's fandom the most painfully autistic?
>>154894170That's my point. Sonic games are bad so Sonic fans look insane for demanding accuracy to the gamesOther franchises have inaccurate adaptations and fans sperg out about them constantly even though those adaptations are not really that bad.Netflix Death Note is a popular example. It really isn't that bad, it's just an inferior and schlocky version of death note. Fans act like they got raped because it exists. People are encouraged to act like this online when the source material is good. With Sonic, the source material is bad. The people writing the Sonic games can say in explicit terms that something that happened in Satam is not accurate to the character but it really won't matter because Satam is entertaining and the games are not.
>>154894212Color coded easy to understand characters with simple good vs evil plots while having an edge (but not too edgy) but that doesn't explain the other types of crazies it attracts.
>>154894212Sonic isn't greenif they made a show where Sonic is green that would not be correct because he is blue. People would be correct to point out that the show is doing something wrong
>>154894130It's completely insane. Telling you, no other fandom does this. >>154894212I don't know. Somehow the stereotype is actually true.
oh i get itCaptain LaserHawk has a better story than any Rayman game but Rayman fans hate it because it turned him into a drug addict who fucks furries Rayman games are good so it is okay to get mad at an adaptation for being wrong
>>154894252AHHHHHHHHHH SAVE ME YUJI NAKA
>>154894248>Sonic isn't green>implyingSpeaking of being disingenuous, you're sperging out because adaptations have any differences at all. Sorry, but that's going to happen because different people are making them. Humanity is not a hive mind, and you're just gonna have to accept that at some point.
>>154894287I don't know why you're just assuming the rest of my positions.Differences are fine. But a difference that outright contradicts something that the fans like is going to get pointed out.I liked Archie. I did not like it when Sega came in and changed it. They destroyed any reason to be invested in Archie Sonic's character with their mandates. He became a lite version of the Sonic from the games. That isn't Archie Sonic anymore. It isn't even game Sonic. It's a weird hybrid. You end up stuck reading for the other characters. It isn't interesting to read about him struggling to control the werehog. Changing the fundamentals changes the appeal. Even if it makes its own appeal it's at risk.
>>154894049The Japanese canon is also wrong as the only true one is STC>>154894119Sonic SatAM and X both suck through X sucks more as the pilot for SatAM was good
>>154894260>Rayman games are good so it is okay to get mad at an adaptation for being wrongI mean, it helps lend credibility to the criticism, certainly. There's also the matter of intent. Captain Laserhawk is a mean spirited tryhard parody. The people who made it were taking the piss and laughing at you for liking this stuff. The vast majority of Sonic adaptations are made by people who actually like this crap. Also, Captain Laserhawk killed Jade after giving her an incredibly hot design. Not gonna lie, bit bitter about that.
I don't know why people suddenly started acting like Sonic X is accurate to the source material. Last I checked Sonic isn't a fucking alien and Amy wouldn't sit and watch a child get beaten
so "captain laserhawk" is just satam but for rayman except they were doing it wrong on purpose
>>154894332>Last I checked Sonic isn't a fucking alien He is in the Sonic movies. Which is the only part of sonic the general public cares about these days.
>>154893563It would be easy to fix, have Sally be a distant relative like a second cousin. Never explain how they’re related whenever someone asks you have ether Sally or Sonic say well actually before getting interrupted. That way you can have Sonic and Sally be close and back and forth relationship pushing each others buttons without the romance. I know you’ll still get shippers but shippers will always happen the normies won’t ship them. That’s how I’d put Sally in the canon anyway.
>>154894330i don't think you understand mei think that little of the story of rayman games. i know what i am saying.
>>154894332I would say Sonic's more of an interdimensional being in that one.
>>154894373The writers for the movies literally complained that Sega forced them to make Sonic an alien even though that isn't canon to the videogamesAnd yes, they specifically mocked the fact that it is not accurate to the videogames, which they were aware of because their sega contact was in the call explaining it
>>154894248
>>154894287Adaptations having differences would be a non issue if it didn't muddy the conversation so badly. Shadow is much more consistent than Sonic but there are arguments every day about how he would act because of all the adaptations being different
>>154894447>Sega forced them to make Sonic an alien even though that isn't canon to the videogamesWouldn't that go against the mandates?
>>154894497https://youtu.be/tlgQIU2Qgu0?si=jnzxQNueQ7Rtq32S&t=628Yes.Sonic in the videogames is canonically not an alien. He is a self sufficient fre spirit who lives on earthSega also explicitly told the people making the movies that he has to be an alien
>>154894119Sonic X is one of the worst cartoons ever made. Unwatchable trash unless you have autism.
>>154894447>>154894531This is one of the many reason that any sane person should outright reject the idea of Sonic "canon". Sega is a bunch of schizo hypocrite retards.
>>154894198They could also just make Spinball canon and make the FF tertiary classic characters. The Kingdom of Acorn was some place that Eggman was attacking to try out his roboticizer idea, Sonic rescued the local resistance and busted Eggman, Sonic and Tails move on and Eggman abandons the roboticizer idea. The end. SatAM stuff gets thrown a bone and it gets put in a proper place as a one off side story instead of taking the spotlight.
There you have it. A person who works directly for Sega explaining that Sega straight up endforced a canon inaccuracy while also being able to articulate the actual canon. Because Sega is insane.
>>154894497>>154894531>>154894543Or maybe they just don't want Ian to turn the series into his fanfic.
>>154894541>Unwatchable trash unless you have autismThat makes it perfect for Sonic fans!
>>154894543Have you considered that Sega's master plan all along was just to sneak a bunch of deviations into every adaptation in order to trick the fans of the videogames into feeling the need to put them on a pedestal. The movies made Sonic an alien! How dare they misunderstand Sonic's character and how important it is to the themes that he is just an earthling. How dare they. I hate the movies now because they made a mockery of Sonic's origin!!!!!!!And the truth all along is that Sega did it. They planted the seed. Sega are geniuses.
>>154894554>sonic is not an alien>the movies made him an alien>sega told the movies to make him an alien>sega says he is still not an alien in the video games>just the moviesyou can't defend this behavior by attacking flynn
>>154894561I think the same thing about the godawful games.
>154894554Took longer than expected for the boogieman to be mentioned. >>154894569So they're gaslighting assholes. Even more reason to not care about the oh so sacred canon. It's completely made up.
>>154894531>>154894580Is it possible that if they get paid enough they don't care about the writing?
I only care about the games by these guys. Nothing else
>>154894595nta and i can't prove this but i have heard before that sega intentionally places rules that make other adaptations look inferior to the games. IDW is not allowed to have high stakes or tell any story that overshadows the games Boom was not allowed to explore origin stories.
>>154894614I think the guys behind Prime said that there were so many restrictions on Big, and something about Shadow needing to live in a cave idk its been forever
>>154894541>Sonic X is one of the worst cartoons ever madeYou must of not seen a lot of cartoons then.
the whole alien aspect is legitimately one of the worst addition to the films
>>154894614>rules that make other adaptations look inferior to the games.The only rules that could ever possibly accomplish that is something along the lines of "adaptations are not allowed to be a functional product". Cause say what you will about any of the comics or cartoons, or anime, or whatever. They fucking WORK. When you open up a Sonic comic book, you get readable dialogue and legible panels. Sonic Heroes has glitched save files for fucks sake.
>>154894654>It's...LE BAD because...it just is ok!
>>154894614Or, Sega are just run by incompetents.
>>154894541But enough about Sonic prime.
>>154894664Dude maybe I would like it if the movie didn't arbitrarily set all the cool Sonic shit ON ANOTHER PLANET so the movie has to take place in FUCKING MONTANA
>>154894673This is inconceivable to a lot of people.
>>154894653It's like watching paint dry. Literally nothing happens in every episode. The characters just sit around staring at each other unblinking most of the time. I get sensory deprivation trying to watch it. Children's anime is generally low budgety and bad but Sonic X is the bottom of the shitpile. And the more it goes on, the more low budgety and shitty it gets. It gets impressively bad by the final season. You can sense just how much disdain the Japanese animators had for it, knowing the only people watching it would be roundeye.
>>154894638I remember this too. I wish I could find the tweet where one of the animators explained that Sega got super pissy about the scene where Sonic meets Shadow in the cave. They wanted it to be clear that he doesn't live in the cave. Because apparently Shadow isn't allowed to actually have an established house.
https://youtu.be/i3cFn6NneHA?why don't they just make a sonic show that actually feels like this
>>154894654Yeah they should just recycle green hill zone for the millionth time.
>>154894702you are not about to claim green hill is worse than setting an entire tv show in fucking vegas
>>154894699The 90s are over
>>154894697>It gets impressively bad by the final season. The metarex arc is the most highly regarded part of the entire show. So much so that people tell you to skip to first two seasons just to get to the good stuff.
>>154894729>The metarex arc is the most highly regarded part of the entire showBy who? Some random youtubers?
The metarex shit is just dragon ball gt but worse
satam and sonic x are both shit and it has nothing to do with being accurate to the source material, they are just bad. Boom is kino
>>154894697Still better than Sonic prime which is a show structured purely for ADHD children with shit pacing, repetitive fights and blatant mobile game skins pretending to be characters. >HURR DURR WHAT IF GREEN HILL BUT LIKE.....PIRATES AND WATER
>>154894676I hate Prime for a lot of reasons, but number one with a bullet is sucking all the charm from my girl Rouge. She's just so nothing in this show. I wouldn't even care if they leaned more toward the spy stuff than thieving, but she barely does that either. And if this really is supposed to be the same universe as the games, she barely if at all acts like that games version. She's a greedy bitch, with a heart of gold, and that's what makes her fun. But they sanitized her into blandness. I am still mad. Oh, and I don't care about the boobs thing. The butchering of her character is what I take offense to.
>>154894757I'll take your word for it. I haven't watched a new cartoon in decades.
>>154894755Boom somehow manages to be worse than either of those.
>>154894764Prime is the only lore accurate Sonic show
>>154894764Boobs ARE part of her character
>>154894764Sonic prime barely insists upon itself that it is canon despite what ian and higher ups say. Sonic completely acts like he has never seen a robotic copy of himself or badniks not powered by flickies in that show and the fact everyone lives in green hill for some reason.
All I'm getting from this thread is that no one knows what Sonic is, and sega doesn't give enough of a fuck as long as you aren't too retarded with their IP.
>>154894808Sonic is just a dumb children's IP that gets upended and rebooted every generation in order to stay relevant, just like Ninja Turtles. Nothing more, nothing less.
>>154894785>Prime is the only lore accurate Sonic show- to the new post-retcon canon. No wonder it's as bland as all the post-Adventure, SoJ approved Sonic media!
>wanting characters to have accurate personalities is bad because it ruins muh ships
>>154894788No, flirtiness is part of her character. She don't need big honking tits to get everyone acting the fuck up on command. The rack helps, but she can and does manage without.
>>154894860>this created a wave of Espio x Rouge content never seen before
>>154894857>accurate personalitiesAccurate to what, exactly? The original Japanese Sonic was a dork named Nicky who transformed into a superheroic alter ego, "Sonic." Japanese Tails was a rude bad boy. Are you saying Sonic Adventure Sonic is an inaccurate personality?
>>154894877The games dumbass
Boom is fun
>>154894252unironically looks better
>>154894877shipperfag coping hard by trying to gaslight people into thinking there is room for their ships in these characters
How much estrogen do you have to have in you in order to partake in "shipping" autism?
>>154894877>The original Japanese Sonic was a dork named Nicky who transformed into a superheroic alter egoEven that alter ego was more like sonic than westshit
>>154894872Bro got added to the harem.
ALL Satamfags and archiefags are shipfags so they deserve the treatment they get
>>154894959>they deserve the treatment they getoh no, please don't hurt me zoom zoom, my poor feefees
That would've been better if she opened her mouth a bit
>>154895008That would require Sonic X have actual animation though.Even Hanna-Barbera characters open their mouths.
>>154890953>lying>>154888451Yes
>>154890656Tons of 90s shows dont have that problem. AoStH itself doesnt have nearly as much of it. SatAM layed it on especially think.
>>154891225Those arent even close to the same things
>>154895060Hot take. Sonic would be better if the characters were all humans/humanoids instead of anthros. And I dont even mean that in a "hurr hurr furries" way, I just think it'd be better without the mascot shit.
>>154891938Americans are so weird like that. Everything has to be this list of meta assumptions about somrthing being either peak or trash based on nothing of the actual substance of the thing, but surrounding bullshit that doesnt actually matter.
The 1993 Sonic the Hedgehog cartoon is inaccurate to the lore and characterizations present in the japanese videogames that would later become the standardized characterizations across the franchiseThe authorities must be warned of this
>>154895060Interesting choice, I guess. They couldn't reuse the Madonna concept for the main girl?
>>154892321I grew up with Underground. I dunno why youre acting like the majority of people didnt rely on cable TV. Sounds out of touch. But then again, that isnt shocking.
>>154895113No one knew who Madonna even was.
>>154892439And the soundtrack? They also rewrote the plot of the game in the manual in general.
>>154895120zoom zoom
>talking animals and humans co-existing in a planet with skies that always have a weird colorAOSTH definitely has a charm
>>154892493AoSTH was faithful like those early Super Mario cartoons. sure it had moments that were pulled directly from the games but for the most part it was a cartoon show loosely based off the video games doing its own stories and characters while not taking it too seriously. which isn't surprising, early video games were all about making a fun game and not establishing extensive lore beyond basic characters and plot elements, the cartoonists and writers knew it was a marketing gimmick and just had fun with it instead of make it a super cereal cartoon with drama and relationshit plots
>>154895142Humans don't belong in Sonic.
I like both Adventures of Sonic and SatAM equally. Don't know or care about the rest, I was an adult when all that shit happened.
>>154895155>AoSTH was faithful
>>154892649>Richard KutaYou people are just scapegoating. People only point to Kuta to shit on Burgernicfags by proxy, not because of him. No one cares that much about him actually. People hate SatAMfags because they regularly shat on the games for not being SatAM or AoStH, which lead to the games like Colors and LostWorld writing.
>>154895174You're right. Delete Eggman, Maria, and Gerald.
>>154895027
>>154895184>People hate SatAMfags because they regularly shat on the gamesEveryone shits on the games. They are rather infamous for being fucking terrible.
>>154895184People hate on SatAMfags like myself for hating modern Sonic shit and for giving younger Sonic fags a hard time. We totally deserve the hate we get.But we really do think your modern shit is shitty and zoomer-y. No matter how much you hate us and our Sonic, I assure you we hate yours much more.
>>154895208Yeah but satam and archiefags were on their high horse since their crap was no better
>>154892894>Everything off brand about Satam and Archie has been successfully killed by SegaThis isn't true. Ian is canonizing elements every chance he gets.
I love this stupid show
>>154892967>he thinks the Mary Garnet story was anything less than Pure kino.Are you castrated?
>>154895179you should have kept reading, I was being sarcastic and it's not, but the fact it's loosely if it all faithful makes it the best sonic cartoon and is also why all modern video game adaptions of any kind are total shit. if you want a faithful video game series or cartoon just watch a cut of all the cutscenes complied by some autist on youtube.
>>154893045Lara Croft is a relatively realistic human being and does it for the glory.Sonic is a cartoon fucking hedgehog with superspeed who does it just the love of the game
Satam sucks. Sonic and the Black Knight is amazing. I'd rather follow a wise wanderer than some little sperg who wishes he was a ninja turtle
>>154895269Both suck. Sonic in general sucks.
>>154893239>In one of the final fucking episodes of Sonic X Amy resorts to brainwashing to force Sonic to fall in love with her because he is definitively incapable of it.That's not what happened at all. Its a myth spread by shiptards in the 2010s.
>>154895306Why are you lying
>>154893261This is such a weird argument when it's made. The japanese people that made Sonic made him more west-y because they wanted it to suceed in the west to become a global success. Yes.It was still made by Japanese people with japanese writing conventions, tropes, etc, and when it blue up beyond a simple fad in the 90s with the adventure, its japanime-ness was a massive part of its lasting appeal and cultural impact. The late 90s and early 00s in general was the anime boom in the west in general with things like DragonBall, Pokémon, SailorMoon, Cardcaptors, ShamaKing, Digimon, etc etc.Sonic appealed to the west by being a west-leabing Japanese anime as fuck series where cool fast blue cartoon mickey mouse went "Teeeriaaaaah!!!!" and turned Super saoyan to fight a kaiju while rock played on the background. Similar to how it was with other anime localizations. And then you had all the western shows cribbing anime too.Who gives a fuck if its more popular in the west vs Japan. It doesnt matter. The japanese-ness of it is the massive reason for its success in the west to begin with.And that shit applies to the Classics as well, just with different anime tropes because of the popularity of ghibli-shit and anime ops.
>>154893326No it wasn't and im shocked there are still people to this day that dare admit that people thought it was the case out loud. You are brave.
>>154892810Sonic didn't flirt with Elise she kissed his dead corpse and he said "thank you"
>>154895311Do you have any proof?
every argument against JP Sonic is effectively claiming that Luffy and Goku are boring characters and they need to act more like Marty Mcfly to be popular
>>154895409Based Sonic, I'd do the same
>>154895411Episode 69. Amy builds a trap that she genuinely believes will force Sonic into loving her with magic, the trap catches Tails and Cosmo instead. The episode plays off Amy as being comically evil and scheming
>>154895414My argument against JP Sonic is that I didn't grow up with it and it's too late for me to care about it now.
>>154895306????????
>>154895306There are multiple times in Sonic X where Amy nearly gives up because Sonic is an automaton that only cares about running
>>154895434Fair honestly
>>154894379>It would be easy to fix, Famous last words>have Sally be a distant relativ-Didnt think you would fuck it up that quick.
Have you realized yet that it's kino?
>>154895511Yeah Sonic isn't allowed to have blood relatives now.
>character is designed to be a love interest for a character who is repeatedly stated to be incapable of reciprocating love this is just a recipe for failure Amy had her personality scrubbedSally had her entire dynamic with Sonic retconned and tossed in the garbage for the last years of her runElise? LOL
>>154895524>EliseEverything wiped by timeline reset. At least no one remembers when she kissed a hedgehog corpse.
>>154893590People dont argue about Fleetway being more ot less faithful or valid to begin with. Everyone jusy agrees its portrayal of Sonic is weirdly dickish and thats it.Its world though is more similar to the games structurally though.
>>154895524Don't forget if the original timeline continued Sally was going to NTR Sonic with Shadow.
>>154893763Supershowfags actually used to exist actually. I remember what's his name from GameXplain was one of em
>>154895551Penders, nobody is going to spend 90 dollars to buy a fanfic. Just use AO3 like a normal person.
I never read Fleetway but it sounds appealing precisely because it seems so different from the traditional, boring, bland, games version of Sonic.
>>154895558>Supershowfags actually used to exist actually.Any North American Nintendo fan over 43. They still exist, they just don't post on 4chan.
>>154895564I might get it because it's a testament to never give up on your dreams.I won't read it out of principal, but if he can publish his own Sonic fanfic, then anything is possible!
>>154893763Go to the DMC fandom RIGHT NOW
>>154895551Penders is so fucking spiteful he came back 20 years later to say "ACTUALLY I ALWAYS MEANT FOR SALLY TO MARRY SHADOW ANYWAYS, FUCK ALL OF YOU"
>>154893959You weren't online then because people regularly mocked the anime for it online.
>>154894034BS. Even for the stadards of the time, Western Sonic was excessive about it.
>>154893959AIM FOR THE HORN THUNDER ARMOR
>>154894049>No other fandom on the planetYou arent in other japanese dubbed fandoms and it shows.
Let's just agree in one thing. This song is a masterpiecehttps://youtu.be/XspKmxaC9Tw?si=3bIsDQijHeQK6Ku1
>>154895602Combine this with him stating he wanted to write about Sally losing her virginity to Geoffrey and it seems like Penders really likes Sonic getting cucked
>>154894228This is what westfags think so youre basically saying the autism comes from the western side.
>>154894224>Satam is entertaining and the games are not.LolLma
>>154895678Lets be honest Sonic sucks and all of us just wanted to fuck his girlfriend anyways so it doesn't really matter who she's fucking
>>154894447The whole two worlds thing happened innthe mid 2010s as a response to DiCfags complaining about humans and the tone not being like DiC, so they got mandated to have to treat it like Sonic is from a seperate world from the humans and that the Sonic world only has animals and eggman comes there to look like DiCshit.Thats why this confusion exists. Its also part of why we are even having these discussions today. Even now, wetshit is compromising the series and triggering people
>>154895689I'm not an an eastfag so I don't know what the autists over there are like.
Sonic is hurting Japan reputation.It needs to die for /a/ and /jp/ sake.
>>154894551They want people to clearly see the games and the movies are different. Not hard to get.
>>154894614No way you believe this is real.
>>154894638Youre misremembering. What they got was that Shadow didn't have a home. They wanted to have him live in a cave and had to imply it isnt necesarily his home.
>>154894683He has warp rings to go anywhere anyway
>>154894697>The characters just sit around staring at each other unblinking most of the time. I get sensory deprivation trying to watch it.Bro is too used to cocomelonslop. Needs constant stimulus or he falls asleep.
>>154894755>Boom is kinoSlopeater
>>154894638That only happened because millenials are complete and utter fucking idiots who ask questions like "Where does Shadow live" instead of just having Shadow in the fucking adventureMight as well ask why nobody takes bathroom breaks in action movies.
>>154894877>The original Japanese Sonic was a dork named Nicky whoNo that was not even written by Oshima.
>>154895102This is how I know youre a /co/shitter and dont play the games. Sonic being a hedgehog in the first place is tied to the fact hedgehogs spin and roll into balls. A lot of what endears people and you learn about the game worlds and story is through playing with and as the characters.
>>154895113The simple reality is they clearly weren't really trying to make a Sonic show. They wanted to do other things likr a Zelda clone and had to adapt that to Sonic.
>>154895137Im 32
>>154895060obvious Bluth influences, but there is nothing proving these characters existed before the show's concept, or that they were going to be different characters first.DiC did LOTS of concept art for Sonic, 95% was never used.
>>154895089literally the lingo of the era
>>154895208
>>154895265Bubsy does it for the love of yarnballs and he's got fucking shelter.
my experience with satam>stumble on it after growing up with the 2000s games>what is this crap? This has nothing to do with sonic. why is sonic acting like that?>eventually become old enough to use message boards and see people saying this is what sonic was like before the 2000s >begrudgingly accept it>grow older>this was not the case at all, sega of japan never respected this incarnation of sonic at all >people now say the show is actually an insult to sega's vision >i don't like sega of japan because they made sonic forces, so i give the show a try>it is pretty charming, a little over hyped and very overhated 7/10 show. 26 episodes and none of them were especially bad.
Only good game is Mania.
>>154896095western garbage
>>154885714I guess that's the price you have to pay to stop 9/11.
>>154896110Mogs any other sonic game
>>154885714>got the Sonic canon wrong.There's people who seriously expected video game accuracy from the same studio that did goddamn Captain N
im not a jp purist but it really doesn't help when your knee jerk response is like>there was no sonic canon>the only canon was the nicky thingthe canon was blatantly decided on before satam came out otherwise they wouldn't have to rewrite the manual of sonic cd in order to resemble satam. this is literally just misinformation at this point. satam is objectively against what sonic team wantedyou can just say you don't like sonic team, or you don't care about their views. most people don't. you don't need to lie about it to be morally consistent or something. sonic isn't that important.
>>154896172Those responses just bait out JP purists. There's too much documentation for this shit at this point so it never convinces anyone. It's pretty common knowledge SOJ didn't like Mohawknic
>>154896172Someone also keeps denyong and saying Naka was lying when he said he always disliked America's take on the Sonic character.The problem with that claim is that SOA employees corroborated the story saying that Naka acted like they did something horrible.
>calling yourself JP puristJust say you are a shill or a bootlicker.It's not healthy or normal behavior simping for a million dolar company.
>>154896225>Corporate argument Sega as a corporation inducing mandates that shut out satam is only coincidental to the japanese creatives who also happened to dislike it. If Sega corp determined what I liked, I would like the movies. I would like Frontiers. It is anti art to defend a corporation no matter what just like it is anti art to take another person's creation and say "I need to make it tubular so that it sells in america"
>>154895386Your not going to get that in a show. Sega funds cheap fucking shows that have low stakes action. Even Sonic X was a cheap show. You really think with how Boom and Prime looked you're going to get some epic anime fight with the next cartoon, like it was straight out of Sonic Adventure?
>>154896225American sonic is literally a corporate decision that shat on the creatives involved what are you talking about
>>154895443Yes and in context its some fortune telling nonsense like getting friendship bracelets by being launched at a lake in front of a moody scene.
His best face in Secret Rings
>>154895461Not what happens. Its more her just being like "I know what im dealing with".
Sonic is better when is not made by Sonic Team like Mania or fangames.
Yes definitely nothing shill like about Satam Sonic acting like already popular characters and changing his design to a horrific looking mohawk because mohawks were popular in the 90s and completely destroying the appeal of Sonic's design in the process
>>154895512Always was.>>154895523>nowIts literally a mandate and has been for decades>>154895524Its a feature, not a bug. The point isnt about them getting together or not.Its the fun interactions and the motivation and what it implies and why thats good.
The post 1998 games are bad.Frontiers is bad.
>>154895564>>154895602>he thinks Penders went through that much effort JUST to troll Sallyfags.Your kind are narcissists
>>154895668Rougebro! Missed you!
>>154896110>hating Mania>jp cucks act surprised when no one likes them
>>154896225??????????????????Both American and JP Sonic are corporate mascots. American Sonic existing in the first place was protested by Sonic Team and a fucking committy of producers in america decided on his personality and creation. Defending that is as bootlicky as it gets. Those very producers openly admit that Sonic Team was offended by it nowadays. At the same time after that version of Sonic had some genuinely invested writers in Satam and Archie, they were both unjustly killed in favor of forcing a JP Sonic standard. Defending either of these incarnations is bootlicking.
>>154896047>nothing proving these characters existed before the show's concept, or that they were going to be different characters first.You dont come up with wild put of pocket ideas like that because you were invested in the idea of makong a Sonic cartoon from the start.
>>154896287Why can't there be different versions of Sonic that can co exist people are allowed to like. This whole elitist bullshit of only one Sonic, and can only be like the games. When the games are often a mixed bag of shit is pure retardation. What, Sonic can't have AU titles like Megaman?
>>154896342Then why care about muh vision.
>>154896059The contexts arent the same. Doth isnt "slang". Its literally just how language was back then.Hip and jazzin in songs is still used till this day. People accept it in music for flavor.
>>154896090He's also doesnt have superspeed and roam the erar and go on adventures. Sonic is supposed to be the nature dude.Its not hard to get.
>>154896354"American Sonic" isn't a vision. The Sonics that spawned from it years after the fact are a vision"Japanese Sonic" isn't a vision ANYMORE, it was during the 2000s but now it is damage control after Archie got out of hand
>>154896094I mostly found it boring. Took a while for be to get even a little invested but I always end up falling off. Id blame it being made for syndication but other shows I watch from that time dont have this issue.
>>154896346>allowed to likeGo ahead and fucking like it just don't pretend you're on some moral crusade. Satam Sonic is publicly fucking known as a version of the character created by detached producers. Do you like him? Then like him. You're fucking based if you like him. I hope the girl of your dreams sucks your dick if you like him. I'm not intrerested in stopping you from liking him like some kind of faggot. I just hate dishonest talking points. American western mohawk Sonic IS COPROATE. A guy FLEW TO AMERICA TO TELL THEM NOT TO MAKE IT and they said NO WE NEED MONEY https://youtu.be/UkhjBAYL2Hs?si=S52Y4D9bVKFt4dX8&t=197THIS HAS BEEN PUBLIC INFO FOR YEARSBut if YOU LIKE THE RESULT that is FINE there is NOTHNG WRONG WITH IT and if anyone tries to STOP YOU FROM LIKING IT YOU SHOULD RAPE THEM
>>154896172This. I just hate the dishonesty.
>it's /co/ fault my game series suck nowOk
>>154896243Well fucking said.>>154896225>he days while defending poochienic which was literally corposlop?
>>154896172>wouldn't have to rewrite the manual of sonic cd in order to resemble satamAll of the stories in the US manuals of the classic games differ from their Japanese counterparts, but at the same time the stories in question are all just basic set up. These are 16-bit era platforming games. The only loss is the added lore in Sonic 2 and 3s manuals about the Chaos Emeralds and Echidna society that was later expanded on in Adventure 1.But in Sonic CDs case, you could literally CTRL+F "Princess Sally", "Mobius" and "Robotnik" and replace those words with "Amy Rose", "Earth" and "Eggman", and everyone mad about that manual's story would stop caring. It doesn't lose anything from the JP manual's similarly basic story set uphttps://info.sonicretro.org/Sonic_the_Hedgehog_(16-bit)/Manualshttps://info.sonicretro.org/Sonic_the_Hedgehog_2_(16-bit)/Manualshttps://info.sonicretro.org/Sonic_the_Hedgehog_3/Manualshttps://info.sonicretro.org/Sonic_the_Hedgehog_CD/Manuals
>>154896225Kek they got mad by the truth
>>154896342JP Sonic was not decided by committee. 90s fags to this day like GeekCritique pedal this because they still dont wanna let the lie die.
The capslock yelling is funny but in all seriousness I don't know how yo ucan see Sonic quipping about chilly dogs and saying the most "hello fellow kids" dialogue ever stated in the history of cartoons and think that is anything other than a corporation restructuring a character to be more marketable. It's like if a late 2000s cartoon made Mario a thug rapper
>>154896399Sega wouldn't have approved this if they didn't like it.You're never going to get an anime like the Adventure games.
>>154896460I feel like you're missing the point because you're too used to arguing about US vs JP Sonic politicsYou are responding to a response to a claim about bootlicking.SOA Mohawk Sonic that eats chilli dogs and wants to fuck babes is literally a committee decision by SEGA a CORPORATION to make him SELL MORE IN AMERICA. Why do you think I am DISPUTING if "SEGA" a CORPORATION liked him? Fuck SEGA.Their decisions regarding this entire subject have been corporate, not artistic. Satam Sonic exists because of corporate decision making around what american children responding to. Satam Sonci disappearing was for the sake of brand consistence. Archie Sonic being retconned to behave more like game Sonic is a corporate decision. it is all corporate. Who cares what Sega "likes". If you really want to get caught up on "Corporate bootlicking" you should hate the very inception of american Sonic as well as the consolidation of japanese Sonic. Moralistic arguments don't work here.
>>154896399ThisThank you. Just stop lying and obscuring the truth and damage controlling.
>>154896287The mohawk has its own appeal. It works when they give it the "Mickey Mouse ears" effect.Unlike Japanese Classic Sonic, this one only really works in 2D
Pathetic samefagging
>>154896430>But in Sonic CDs case, you could literally CTRL+F "Princess Sally", "Mobius" and "Robotnik" and replace those words with "Amy Rose", "Earth" and "Eggman", and everyone mad about that manual's story would stop caring.Nah, they frame it like Sonic already knew Amy and he witnesses her get kidnapped off Little Planet which makes no sense.It also has no mention og her character, personality or interests. She is supposed to be spunky, upbeat and use her fortune cards predicting she meets her true love.
>>154896520You know someone is seething when they start incorrectly assuming samefagging
I want to marry surge
>Shadow, the leader that the humans call "president" got on board that escape pod. Pursue and destroy it
>>154896565Mediocre game
ok so satam sonic is evil corporations ruining the character to make him sell more cereal boxesand japanese sonic is a boring asshole who doesn't do anything coolwhat now
>>154896507Hi randomfox
>>154896399I knew that Yuji Naka openly seethes about satamshit but I didn't know that the SOA people were literally like "yeah this was a pretty controversial blunder hur hur" It's like hearing about a bullying incident from both sides. Naka turned out to be a huge asshole anyways so they can't feel too bad.
>>154896399>>154896507Japanese Sonic is CORPORATE too. Twin Stars was Ohshima's TRUE AND UNALTERED CREATIVE VISION
>>154896574It has charm. The guns were fun. Chaos Control was fun.
>>154896172>he canon was blatantly decided onthen why did SEGA of Japan keep giving him different origin stories>rewrite the manual of sonic cdthey literally just changed a name>what sonic team wanted
>>154896579>boring asshole who doesn't do anything cool
I wonder if the creator of Tony the Tiger gets pissed off at Kellogs for redesigning him to look big and muscular
>>154896621He'd be pissed about vtuber tony if he didn't die like 50 years ago
>>154896602Twin Stars becoming Sonic was a creative description. Not a corporate one.
>>154896344you don't know DiC.
>>154896609>why did SEGA of Japan keep giving him different origin storiesThey didn't. It was legit just shogakukan making stuff up.
>>154885714Money back guarantee you said!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8ZTTnRU2xc
>>154896357>Doth isnt "slangthen literally replace it with any one of these, pedant-kun.https://www.shakespeare-online.com/biography/wordsinvented.html> People accept it in musicnow, imagine for a moment how ridiculous it would be if they didn't, because it was dated slang.
It is pretty funny to defend western Sonic on a corporate basis. I get the argument at least. Nowadays it is a corporate decision to prevent Sonic from acting like that but in the 90s it was definitely a corporate choice to give Sonic a mohawk and make him a quip machine.
>>154896367>He's also doesnt have superspeedthey call him the orange blur>roam the erar and go on adventuresnigga what? not only does he do that, he roams the universe and go on adventures.>It's not hard to get. It is UNFATHOMABLY CRUCIAL for Sonic to sleep in mud and rain and to pick through the dumpster behind the Chinese buffet for half eaten dumplings.like i said, bizarre.
>>154893357>Birth of an Icon documentaryIronic. That documentary was made within months of Sega telling Archie that Sonic is not allowed to be paired with Sally anymore
>>154896442>JP Sonic was not decided by committee.he literally was tho.that's why you get people coming out of the woodwork to say shit like>I'm the reason Sonic's shoes are red!or>We named Tails!
I wish we knew more of that cancelled Saturn fighting game that Oshima was making after he finished with Sonic CD and before he started on Nights into Dreams
>>154896649>They didn't.
Sonic isn't corporate. No definitely not corporate at all. Especially not JP Sonic who is designed to be as inoffensive as possible. Especially not American Sonic who is dated by his insane trend following.
>>154895060>>154896047>>154896344https://xcancel.com/SatamHistorian/status/1906092142616866956Here's an explanation by a guy writing a book on the show's development.TL;DR these were random artists at DiC pitching designs based off the show bible descriptions with very little other reference material.
imagine thinking Sonic isn't corporate. lolyeah small indie developers SEGA, just 3 guys making up Sonic in their garage. totally.
>Pretty sneaky, sis. But there’s only one person I know who calls it Hydrocity>Oops
They really had Yuji Naka publicly say that Sonic's personality was inspired by Bill Clinton lol
>>154893763Mario has it's own brand of Mandate autism, ask literally anyone over there about the RPGs.
Isn't Sonic inherently one of the MOST corporate mascots ever which its inherent identity is entirely tied to what's cool these days, jp or west? 90s thought america symbolism and Michael Jackson and colorful shit was cool. 2000s wanted edge grimdark shit, 2010s was all about ironic poisoning and meta, and 2020s is now memberberries.All the fads here match perfectly what each Sonic era comprised with. It doesn't matter west Sonic was corporate or not when the concept from beginning was MEANT to be corporate. Wasn't he made up literally to beat Mario? That's fucking dated now.
>>154897088western sonic dumped his entire personality for corporate reasons multiple times over
>>154897138Like I said, that doesn't matter anyway when nearly all Sonic games were made entirely as response to the fads happening at the time. Sonic by concept is a corporate mascot.
>Sonic Team USAShadow the Hedgehog wasn't made by the Tokyo division (the one responsible for 06)
>>154897336That's a... good thing?
>>154895876Yeah, god forbid Sonic characters do the one thing in a cartoon that they're known for: move.
The mean old cartoon has been cancelled for over 30 years bruh. It can't hurt you anymore.
>>154892648well there were only what, two seasons? i'm sure he would have done more if it had continued>>154885714>canonOP you don't have an argument. adventures was zany run of the mill bullshit that you can find in most cartoons. zany slapstick is a dime a dozen.SatAM got it right because the philosophy of sonic is stopping a totalitarian polluter from enslaving animals and the ethical choices of individuals in society throughout history.sonic the hedgehog, even without the other freedom fighters, is literally an eco-terrorist. oil ocean zone, chemical battery zone, scrap brain zone, metropolis zone, chemical plant zone, those are all levels that are referencing unregulated industrialization and the danger it poses to the environment. i personally wonder if the creators of sonic were inspired by nausicaa valley of the wind. they both deal with ecological disaster, the murals and signs of ancient civilizations are there, the mural in the beginning of nausicaa i think could have inspired the mural in hidden palace zonemarble zone, aquatic ruin zone, labrynth zone, hydrocity zone, and hidden palace zone are all antrhopological in nature, referring to civilizational ebb and flow being an evergreen struggle for sentient and sapient beingsthe most impactful satam episode is the one that begins with sonic running around robotropolis strategically placing IEDs, and he find his uncle chuck. the scene where uncle chuck overrides his own programming and regains his autonomy is the most significant scene in 90s animation for a tv serieswhat does adventures have? some proto cow and chicken butt jokes?
>>154897870>SatAM got it right because the philosophy of sonic is stopping a totalitarian polluter from enslaving animals and the ethical choices of individuals in society throughout history.he lived in a house, instantly disqualifiedsonic also doesn't join teams long term
>>154885714SatAM. Or as non-retards like to call it, "The Good Sonic cartoon".
>>154897900>implying sonic appears in satam
Cereal mascot franchise.Even the canon is full of shit, probably the worst most lame ass part of this franchise is the canon because it's boring as fuck, thanks to shitzuka you're not even allowed to do anything with edge anymore outside hello kitty for boys and muh death metal and evangelion references. Also a sumping ground for crossovers effectively turning sonic into a beggar whore.And sonicfags are faggots, but not any kind of faggots, special kind of faggots who would spite an old ass media predating their personal modern autism.
>>154897951Sonic Frontiers is better than anything from the west
>>154897896>he lived in a house>this is an argumentare you retarded
>>154897915You weren't even born when it aired zoomie, stop yer whining.
>>154897982Frontiers is buggy referenceslop and it's also the first time you retarded mongoloids got raped by IDW, thanks to a single reference about tangle and flynn's writing.
>>154897951>hello kitty for boysSonic hasn't been for boys since 1998. It's just Hello Kitty with mouths.
>>154898002Sonic doesn't live in a house. Satam doesn't understand Sonic
>>154898222Sonic lives in Tails' vagina.
>>154898222Sonic is also a gay twink, idw is canon.
/co/ will be a better place when all Sonic threads are banned back to /v/.
Satam fans are literally the first people to do the whole "this is the original version and therefore it's good" thing and they would have kept doing it if people like Ian Flynn or Iizuka never said anything.No camp of fans is above doing this. They all love the argument from authority
>>154885714Only good part of this shit franchise.
>>154898503Pretty much. I still like some of the very, very early comics though, the ones that were silly.I can't play any of the games anymore. They're too butt easy and boring to me now.
>>154895524In Sally's case, she was lucky enough to get an upgrade.
>>154898503>Which is a run of the mill boring glorified captain planet smurfs combo Saturday morning cartoon for furries that barely has anything to do with the classic games people cared about in the franchise.Larp
>>154885714I like these cartoony designs much more than the more "anime" inspired designs you see these days.
>>154899108Smurfs and Captain Planet > Japanese Sonic
>>154899116Yeah. The anime stuff was cool in like, 1994, when seeing anime art was unique and a somewhat rare thing. But now that we live in an age where every kid born after 1990 grew up exposed to it all the time and at this very moment, people are churning out tens of thousands of generic AI anime slop every second and spreading it all over the internet, the whole anime thing has become super generic and boring. The old Americanized stuff seems special and unique now.
>>154899122Nobody cares about satam outside middle aged furry man children though. Normies and even Classicfags only care about the original genesis games. This is why the sonic mania team never tried to secretly shoehorn in satam references in their game and even in the fan projects before it, while that fat autistic loser ian flynn tries to do it every moment he gets the chance.
>>154899153Kissyfur and Flintstone Kids > Japanese Sonic
>>154899155>non-responseI accept your concession.
>>154899161The Gary Coleman Show and ShirtTales > Japanese Sonic
>>154899153Ever notice how the biggest sonic fanmade content in the early 2000's were rarely satam or archie centric? Super mario bros Z, Nazo unleashed, final fantasy sonic x, ect. None of those were satam related in the slightest. Even the fan made games at the time. It's almost like satamtards were always a vocal minority within the fanbase.....
>>154895668This is correct. Best theme song for the best character.
>>154895655>>154895976>>154896060>"Y-you just don't play the games!"Yes I have. And they're shit. Cope.
>>154899153>>154899173So what I am getting here is that satam fans are talentless hacks because they worship a cartoon that was never good to begin with and that they're retarded right? Checks out really.
>>154899173>>154899191Wuzzles and Jayce and the Wheeled Warriors > Japanese Sonic
>>154896399>Go ahead and fucking like itYou say, while dedicating your life to look for any mention of SatAM or Archie and disrupting any attempt to discuss it by screeching about how it raped the nation of Japan itself.
SatAM haters have a really bad persecution complex.
>>154899210To the point it's starting to resemble cult behavior. All they ever seem to do with their time is write scripture about how the heretics must be purged.
>>154899220They should take some of that energy and hit the gym and stop being autistic incels.
>>154899254Yeah, they should. But I'm going to post this image and demonstrate to you why they are not capable of doing that.
I like Sonic but I hate Sonic fans.
Sorry, Robotnik. I don't see the appeal
>>154896120Nope
>>154898361best post in the thread
>>154899210>>154899220Is the cult in the room with us right now?
>>154899254Stop wearing diapers dude. You're 42 years old.
>>154899602>>154899606>no self-awareness
>>154899606Think how much happier you'll be when you have a girlfriend. You might even have to stop obsessing over children's IPs to cope with your sadness. :(
>>154896796Doesn't really counter my point.
>>154899606>Stop wearing diapersAll Sonic fans wear diapers. Either literally or metaphorically. It's a diaper baby franchise. Even ponyshitters laugh at you.
>>154896667>then literally replace it with any one of these, pedant-kun.Its not pedantic. Its just a bad comparison. It's like criticizing cowboys for having accent.>>154896667>now, imagine for a moment how ridiculous it would be if they didn't, because it was dated slang.Music isn't television, videogames or comics, stupid. Lyrics are essentially another instrument. They get used for a purpose.Its not the same and youre an idiot for trying to pretend they are to defend bad practices by corpos
>Excuse me while I chuck my chilli>You are insulating my poome?>No, your poome insulates itself>Well, it is much more romantic than your stupid poome
>>154896690It is crucial for sonic to "do things no one said but white Ameritards have compulsive oppositionalism and believe not having a house means you sleep in rags and eat from the garbage"Your schooling system and media produces brainlets.
>>154896714>that's why you get people coming out of the woodwork to say shit like>>I'm the reason Sonic's shoes are red!>or>>We named Tails!Just people trying to get their 2 seconds of fame on socials.
>>154896767Not seeing the contradiction
>>154899753You would have a point, but you're a Sonic fan.
>>154899761No one should take credit for anything involving Sonic. Would you really want to take credit for helping create the worst, most cringey and autistic fanbase the world has ever known? I know I wouldn't.If I had my name attached to anything Sonic related, I'd legally change my name.
>>154897088>Isn't Sonic inherently one of the MOST corporate mascots ever which its inherent identity is entirely tied to what's cool these days, jp or west?Nope. When Sonic Team was making him, their goal was focusing on making him timeless and sell him as cool based on his personality and aura rather than because he was hip or trendy.His core inspirations were MJ and Santa Claus and shit like Godzilla. When Sonic was going 3D, the devs stated that the one of the main reasons they changed his design was because people saw him as too cutesy. So they changed his design to better sell his rebel image rather than just being batzmaru but a blue hedgehog.Corporate shit was obviously involved, especially on the western side, but Sonic was at least up to Generations a primarily creator vision oriented series rhat set trends rather than follow them. And when it did things that were trendy, it did it on its own terms.Shadow the hedgehog for example was made because Iizuka genuinely was inspired by games like JakII at the time, rather than just seeing that they were popular.Compare that to LostWorld which exists to corporately break Sonic down into something Mario-esque that appeases boomer critiques that believed Sonic should have Nick Jr writing.
>>154897805Cartoons arent about moving. They are abput telling a story through movement. Not moving is also a part of that. Constant movement isnt inherently good.
>>154899860Animation is literally above movement.
>>154897870>totalitarian polluter from enslaving animals and the ethical choices of individuals in society throughout history.No....Sonic is about living in harmony with nature and the world and being free to do so and how a mecha otaku forces everything to be machines because he is obsessed with robots weapons and machines and forces his fetish on people.
>>154899711>HorseshowfagsSonicfags never shot up a fedex and killed people over mental delusions. Back to your containment board horsefucker.
Diaperfag guy is definitely a lulzy autist, but let's not pretend every single dude over 12 years of age that still identifies as a Sonic fan isn't just as pathetic.
>>154899811But they do, and its for the most minor of things.
>>154899609>>154899671It's not healthy to project your personal issues onto people you know.
>>154899893instead most Sonicfags just get arrested for possession of cp and for grooming underage girls. Sonicfags are too beta to shoot up a fedex, much less leave the house.
>>154899914Because you're clearly happy, anon. Be real with yourself.
>>154899914Expecting stunted manchildren to not be narcissistic and project their feefee's onto to people as an argument is like expecting the sun to be cold.
>>154899920>I can excuse taking innocent people's lives entirely because of one's mental delusions about a show for little girls BUT I ABSOLUTELY DRAW THE LINE AT CP AND GROOMING!
>>154899946Look at this Sonicfag defending his sick fetish over here.We all know.
>>154899920Who are these "most sonicfags" outside of your non-existent strawmen? Are we pretending horseshowfags aren't pedophiles and groomers themselves?
I'm starting to think that the series itself is some type of elder god that brings out the insanity in anyone who comes near it. This thread is proof.
>>154899956>Are we pretending horseshowfags aren't pedophiles and groomers themselves?Sonicfags and horseshowfags are the same type of people Sonicfags are just a more pathetic version of horseshowfag.The horseshow thing came and went. But Sonicautists are forever.
>>154899914These guys literally wear diapers and beg to sega to bring back tie in cartoon characters into a franchise they don't even like anymore for the past couple of decades. That alone should show these people aren't normal at all.
>>154899976This. Sonicfags should all be euthanized to keep children safe.
>>154899974At the end of the day, no sonicfag actually fucking murdered a bunch of people. Horseshowfags will always be known as not only as kiddy diddlers that watches a show for little girls, but psychopathic murderers and literal horse fuckers as well.
>>154899991Same shit, different diaper. Sonicfags just have more shit in their diapers.
The samefagging in this thread is obvious and pathetic.
>>154900005This. It's so pathetic. For real.
>>154900005Those are satamtards/sonicfags for you.
Good job, DIC
>>154900032right looks better ngl
>>154900032Chris-Chan, is that you?
>>154899711Ponyshitters are at the bottom of the barrel of all fandom autists. Below pokefags, sonicfags, vizislopfags, ect
>>154900043>pupils blinking
>>154900032Sonic has answered the old Jadenism about seeing with eyes closed.
>>154900056All adults who engage with children's media are pathetic autists. But Sonicfags are the bottom. The levels of depravity and sadness of Sonicfags outpace those other fandoms. Even if there's fewer of them than those other fandoms, their reputations for being insane far outpaces any of them. And deservedly so. I side eye anyone who claims to like Sonic without exception (fortunately you don't run into Sonic fans too often irl since, you know, they don't like sunlight).
>>154900032How is he wearing a backpack if he has a giant spine of his back.
>>154900088>this is what amerimutts want sonic to be
>>154900064>blue arms
>>154900101Are there American Sonic fans? I assumed all Sonic fans on the internet were British. There's something in the Celtic Sea that turns children autistic.
>>154900102Meant for >>154900101sorry I am dyslexic and missing my frontal lobe, please understand.
>>154899190No you haven't
>>154900130I've seen some Russian ones
>>154900156Not him but I haven't. Sonic games are for children.
>>154899203Shit that didn't happen
>>154899787You're a 50 year old /co/shitter eho talks about wanting to boink underage cartoon girls from shows for kids that are older than you are.
>>154899728>It's like criticizing cowboys for having accent.or like criticizing a '90s show for having '90s lingo.>Music isn't television, videogames or comics, stupidexcept the point isn't about format, it's about lingual content, stupid.you're just coming off as another SoJ bootlicker.
>>154900167be patient with them, we all know they're very delusional and see and read things that aren't really there.
>>154900190>projecting
>>154899811Notice that these people only started coming out after the success of the movies? 2 seconds of fame
>>154900183Isn't chris chan a pokemon fan? This isn't /vp/
>>154899777then you're not seeing the part where he says he's from another world.
>>154900199I didn't notice that but I also don't follow Sonic news or consume Sonic related media.
Can't wait to have this same exact thread tomorrow, and the next day, and the next day, and the next day...
>>154899870Youre as retarded as a person that thinks martial arts is about punching people, therefore punching more = better martial arts.
>>154900201His autism and unhinged behavior would seem to indicate that he is, indeed, very much a Sonic the Hedgehog fan.
>>154900211Cartoons without animation are bad. Sonic X is bad. But not to worry, I'm sure its amazing story saves it.
>Did you hear that? My real parents!
>>154900216>He has never heard of pamperchu and justinRPG larping christorian.
She only wears clothes in her bedroom
>>154900210SatAM will live rent free in OP's head forever.
>>154900228>>154900249Both shows were good. But they were the only good Sonic shows.
People keep telling me Sonic fans are like...the worst things since satan yet the only things they are infamously known for is uh..... making bad OCs...? complaining about a character's design changes? All the while making cool ass fangames? It really is no different than every other big online fandom and not even close to the worst unless I am missing something big.
>>154900162You're posting on /co/
>>154900258Satam is boring garbage that spawned furfaggotry. Aosth is kino and spawned YTP gems
>>154900271It's almost like satamfags have zero self-awareness and can't read the room to save their lives.
>>154900271I know, I'm here for the comics. I don't watch cartoons and haven't for almost 30 years.I'm just in your thread to shit on you autistic faggots.
>>154900192>or like criticizing a '90s show for having '90s lingo.Most 90s shows even back then didnt have characters talk like that.It was egregious even for the time.>>154900192>except the point isn't about formatShut the fuck up, you actual pedant. Format matters because context matters.When im watching a show or playing a game im engaging in a story im supposed to be immersed into. Its not the same and pretending it is is retarded and dishonest.
>>154900195>no you
>>154900267People that over exaggerate how bad sonic fans can be are unironically far more autistic. Imagine losing your marbles over ms-paint ocs made by children on the internet. Imagine being that unemployed of a bitter old man.
>>154900295this but unironically
>>154900267Sonic fans are all pedophiles who groom children and wear diapers and ree out over blinking pupils and blue arms.
>>154900204>what is contextHe says he is from Chritsmas Island which is "a world that's different".>>154900221Choosing when and when not to move is more important than moving. Constant movement is cocomelon slop used to distract ameribrats while their mom boinks Tyrone or Alejandro
>>154900313Chuck Jones used lack of movement for comedic effect. Sonic X does it because "lol roundeye child dumb he won't notice lol"
>>154900267It just became the designated punching bag. Its bad because everyone else said so.
>Yes, definitely. Yes, I doHe has some humanity in the other show
>>154900285>I know, I'm here for the comicswhich are for manchildren, yes.
>>154900267You should probably see this thread. All the proof you need.
>>154900329>which are for manYes. Unlike Sonic, which is strictly and 100% for children under 13.
>>154900308>Sonic fans are all pedophiles who groom children and wear diapersSo literally most online fandoms? Roblox, FNF and Minecraft fandoms do exactly that but on a far larger scale. It's 2026 dude, get with the times on who are the top groomers. >ree out over blinking pupils and blue arms.Complaining about character designs is such a non issue. You act they're killing people.
>>154900338Sonic fans don't just wear diapers. They poop in them too. And then they eat their own poop. Sonic fans are disgusting.
>>154900330>random anon shitting on a kid's cartoon>fans of said cartoon coming out the woodworks to defend it>retarded arguments pursueSo literally every /co/ thread that is posted here. You're all autistic.
>>154900347Now we're just making up fantasy scenarios before our very eyes. Is there a closeted fetish you want to discuss with us anon?
>>154900362I can't believe you eat your own poop and post yourself eating it on deviant art. Have standards, Sonic fans.
>>154900322It's the opposite. The idea rhat movement needs to be constant and the absence of it is the imposition is weird. The idea things need to be always moving came from americans believing you needed to be constantly jangling keys to maintain retention to American audiences because they have low attention spans. Its why anime dubs added constant talking and removed moments of silence.And the reasoning isnt something im makong up. Dubbers said it verbatim because it was the attitude for cartoons in America in general.And I specify America because canadian and European shows like Toad Patrol, Rupert or Little Bear didn't have this autism. Its uniquely an American thing.
>>154900353People who make fun of autists are the real autists.
>>154900267Uhhh uhhhhh the fandom is....LE BAD...because uhhh...uhhhh my favorite 2010's manchild jewtuber with an exaggerated persona told me so..and I can't think for myself....
>>154900336>manLol
>>154900382That's a lot of text to defend a bottom budget piece of trash kiddy anime meant for toddlers, anon.
>>154900391cope
>>154900388Man early youtube really did revolve around unemployed dudes getting angry at children on the internet just for being kids eh?
>>154900388Even if Sonic fans weren't the worst behaved, most disgusting fanbase on the internet (they are), they would still be the most lulzy simply for the fact that they actually like Sonic.
Sammyclassicsonicfan actually got laid. What is your excuse /co/?
>>154900436They have no excuse. They know they're bitter lonely manchildren stuck in 2010's seething at children for liking sonic. Nothing is gonna undo their jewtuber lobotomy.
>>154900469Sonic fans don't get laid unless they take advantage of younger siblings.
>>154900436For one his parents actually care about him enough to get him help and pulled him out of his obsession. Most people on classic sammy's level don't have that luxury.
Sonic fans over 12 aren't a real thing. People who identify as Sonic fans are actually into sad childhood nostalgia/trauma brought on by their parents getting divorced when they were young as well as bizarre lulzy internet shit and autistic fetish nonsense. The shitty 90s video game mascot character they associate with is just a weird coping mechanism
>>154900436Wasn't he an actual child, though? Kind of hard to blame a child for acting... childish.
>>154900484You would definitely know from experience eh?
>>154900286>I don't know '90s shows because I was born in 2000ya I noticed>I'm so autistic that hearing 'da bomb' or 'talk to the hand' or 'sureshot' during a song doesn't trigger me but hearing it spoken in dialogue does.hmmm I see
>>154900313a strange world that's completely different*
This show is inaccurate to the creators wishes
>>154900657the creators wish it to be shit
>I'll get you next time, Gadget. Next time
>>154900828
>>154900393Its more about shitting on cocomelon amerislop, more than defending Sonic shows.
>>154900871whatever you need to do to cope, anon
>>154900634>because I was born in 2000Im 32, old man.
I can't wait for this shitty thread to be archived.
>>154900947I'm not op but i might post it againsonicfag threads are always easy (you)s
>>154900974You don't need to make this thread again, this guy makes it almost every other day anyway.
>>154900947satam still sucks, furry.
>>154901302cope
Sonic games will be never good.Sonic proves Japan was always a bad country and that anime is for retards.
>>154901342anime is for pedos, actually.
>>154885714The people who made the games literally hate this show for damaging the perception of the characters among Gen X Sonic "fans"(they hate Sonic)This show didn't even know to make Tails a genius. That is how idiotic the writers are.
>>154901575Tails literally built a rocket in the games and people will claim that it wasn't known until adventure
>>154901575And the rest of the world hates Sonic Team for making garbage like 06 and kill the series forever.
>>154901598They made a movie about Sonic Adventure 2 because everyone loves that game.They will never make a movie about Satam because nobody except boomers think it is Sonic related
"they had nothing to go off of!"Somehow they failed to notice Tails is a mechanic in the classic games too? What is the excuse for that? They didn't even read the basic profiles?
>>154901649Yeah the movies are the reason the series is not dead and that Frontiers didn't flop.Another win for the west. Same with Mania.
>>154901673>Tails is a mechanicpilot. Sonic owns the plane.
>>154901330>cope
>>154901698Yeah because unlike satam it's the movies and mania that is the only good western content for sonic. Nobody gives a shit about satam yet everyone loves mania and the movies.
>>154901905Doesn't matter JPnic sucks and will always inferior to western versions.Japan lost.
>>154901905>Nobody gives a shit about this 33 year old show, that's why there's constantly threads about it!!!!
>>154901973I never actually see people talk about Sonic in this show unless it is to rip on him for being different from the games. People DO talk about Sally at least.Bunnie, Antoin, and Rotor are literally only cared about in Archie
