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If I have to bake a new thread, you will get shipping threads.
>>154953060>The thread died at 158 postsIt's not just me noticing this place feels deader?
>>154953096Been that way since the hack
>>154953096Mostly because of the hack...and the fact that everyone talked about everything that could be talked about without new material coming out.Like, only thing I can talk about is how "Adam's Second Chance" fic is getting even more deliciosuly romantic in recent chapters
>>154953096I've been out and about today, whoops!
>>154953096I think you underestimate how much of the traffic of these threads was Bugcuck antics, both his posts and the posters reacting to him. Ever since he got raptured or whatever the level of interest in the show itself remains the same as a few months ago but the thread appears slower.
https://x.com/starryopals/status/2086172765669765390?s=46
>>154953855Roo creaming her evil panties evilly at this.
>>154953187adam has bar none the most versatile and adaptable design in the show it's perfect. >>154953368would guitarspear be as popular if adam was a woman the whole time or would it be deemed 'too toxic' yuri and we'd see the same arguments about how vaggi/lute is better somehow except without the accusations of hating lesbians (unless they go the niche route of saying we specifically hate femmes)?
>>154954388If Adam were a woman, it would be deemed the superior / more toxic yuri and god forbid you ship Lute with a man when she's VERY OBVIOUSLY in love with her commander.But you know, he's cis-white and heterosexual, so she has to be saved and she's clearly confused about her feelings. So it's okay to ship her with anyone else.
>>154954388WLW Guitarspear is pretty great from a sexo perspective but offers nothing from a story perspective.
>>154953096Not surprising the writing is vomit.
>>154954245It’s entirely possible that Roo is what Lute/Eve becomes by merging with Evil itself.
>>154954929I don't think so. One of the former employees confirmed her full name was Root of all Evil - the Good entity is named, or at least the name that was pitched by said person, Ray of Hope. Also, if that were the case then why get a specific voice for ""Roo"" and not Evil? Roo = Evil. I'm not saying they won't merge, just that there won't be a new character/individual from said merge (like DBZ) - it'll probably be just Lute with a big powerup
>>154954929>>154954978Yeah.. they would announce a voice for Evil, the character, and 'Roo' would be the surprise fusion/final form when her and Eve(Lute) merge together. Them announcing a voice for Roo specifically means she's her own thing (aka Evil). Idk it just seems people seem really hellbent on separating Roo and Evil when it's literally the same character. She's the embodiment of all evil, just as Good is the embodiment of all good: Viv talked about them in that one article. They're the closest thing we'll get to God(s)
Some people think the Good goddess is the Abrahamic God in this universe lol
>>154954978>>154955047it's likely to be a madara-kaguya type deal i think.
>>154954929Interesting idea, but given Lute/Eve’s arc is meant to climax in S4, and Roo is meant to have her own voice actor, it’s unlikely. A good what if though.>>154953096I mean, we’ve had a pretty good two and a half months based on a handful of topics. You can only keep that pace up for so long. We’re in the fallow season, we’ll be lucky if we get anything to work with before the year’s end.
>>154955211We could always move to a weekly or fortnightly thread format if things get very slow. We're 9 months on from Season 2 though and this is where things will gradually start picking up again with teases and maybe even a leak if we're lucky.
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>>154953060post more adam x charlie
If there's another leak odds are we won't get lucky enough for it to be a Heaven episode again.
>>154955633and definitely not a full episode, at that.
>>154955633i want a deliberate leak that's either a complete lie or edited somehow. like a scene from helluva boss but redrawn to be hazbin or vice versa. i think it would be funny.
>>154955462would guitarprincess be more popular if it was yuri?
Gotta pick a side anon
>>154956321>If it was yaoiFujos don't go crazy for yuri. Radioapple is 10x more popular than radiobelle. It wouldn't surprise me if people who hated the latter are crazy for the former >>154955070Would be interesting if Viv canonized Asherah as the de facto God.>>154955257I'm convinced season 3 won't be until fall of next year. This fall will be focused on HB, I can see an alternating pattern each year between shows.
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>>154953069Cute
>>154957839Asexual flag vomits on pansexual flag.
>Adam... must eat! Adam... must eat! Adam... must eat!>Adam was not put on this earth to nibble.>He must be helpless and fat.>That way, he can't get himself in trouble...>While I gets to feed him kit-kats!>I will... stuff him... with chocolate... fondue! >He will... chow on... tuna... melt!>Eat it! Scarf it! Bite it! Cram it! Down it! Chow it! Want it! Pig out! I will make him... fatter!
Any new info about season 3?
>>154959969Nostalgia
>>154961195Not really. We just know it's gonna have Morningstar family drama. Charlie will be a fuck up once more and we'll get to see a shit ton of Lucifer( presumably crying like a little bitch).
lol someone on Twitter set up a ship tournament for Lute ships which was 90% F/F ships and pit Guitarspear against Fallenwings in the first round genuinely expecting Guitarspear to be knocked out in round 1. Now Guitarspear won and is going to go on an indiscriminate slaughter against literally who ships with random women
>>154961333Holy shit they're not even trying to be subtle about it. Like over half these ships haven't had said two characters interact at all. Are they gonna rig the tournament or will GuitarSpear shit on all these F/F slop ships? Surprising Lute x Lilith won over Holyblades.
>>154961381Interesting how all the no interaction ships are F/F and they didnt throw something like Lute/Vox into the ring.
The poll author headcanons Lute as an "asexual demiromantic lesbian genderfluid butch"
>>154961414So she pretty much check mated herself from the start. Impressive.
>>154961414>Lute as an "asexual demiromantic lesbian genderfluid butch"Jesus fucking christ
>>154961408There's literally only three M/F ships. It's obviously intended and targeted.
>>154961414...isn't like...most of them are contradictory to each other?
Anyone got a link to the he Twitter tournament? Wanna see the meltdowns when GuitarSpear wins.
Guitarspear vs Lute/Lilith would be a pretty kino ending.
>>154961447Sadly I don't think Lute/Lilith will go that far in the tournament.
>>154961458They put all the popular ships on the left hand side of the tourney board. The right hand side is anyone's game until the final.
>>154961439https://x.com/rhaelves/status/2085727648290922990
>>154961467Yeah feels very targeted. Putting all the heavy hitters against GuitarSpear.
I am now picturing Adam carrying Lute bridal style over a mountain of women's corpses.
>>154961544Like this?
>>154961561Like that. He'll save her from those nasty bitches who only see her as an accessory to their fantasy where she's a butch lesbian because of her... checking my notes... haircut apparently.
>>154961582Imagine she gets a new design and she has long flowing hair(probably blonde because it's a Viv show). Maybe she's taller and curvier as Eve.
Lute's haircut isn't even masculine. On Alastor it's percieved as feminine
Short storytime because this comic is cute
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>>154961333I don't know what they were thinking. Lute is like...Adam-sexual
>>154961773Not gonna lie.... I fucking hate this panel. She definitely looks abused here with that glazed over face. Blah. Why is she acting so monotone in this comic? That ain't her lol
>>154961736I like it, 7/10
>>154961654Isn't it technically the Karen haircut?(Potentially foreshadowing)
>>154961801More than half of this fandom will ignore that fact. Even if Lute/Eve is happening they will still try ignoring it. It's just that post reveal it will make them look really fucking stupid.
>>154961810I will contact the artist and tell them to do a new panel where she kicks him in the nuts here just for you
>>154961838>More than half of this fandom will ignore that fact.This. Just like how they'll pretend that Adam is a gay, bratty bottom for the guy he hates more than anyone else in the universe.
>>154961838It’ll make them look stupid, but they’ll double down. The entire pushback surrounding Lute/Adam is already built around the assumption that their relationship is inherently abusive because she was presumably created specifically to serve as Adam’s second-in-command. If she turns out to be the Genesis/Eden Eve, that argument is going to compound tenfold, because Eve was already created specifically for Adam in the first place, and thousands of years later, she’s still serving him.
>>154961852You know for a fact he'd be into that though
>Sinful filth like you has no place in Heaven!How would (You) respond without sounding mad?
>>154961866The discussion surrounding Eve is overall pretty retarded when it comes to the fandom.
>>154961896I would try not to seethe and set up a poll pitting Guitarspear against lesbian ships. And lose anyway.
>>154961967I mean what brand of mental delusion is required to believe GuitarSpear will lose?
>>154961967>>154962054like it gets official merch, it has gravity, lute's all over adam and there's a compelling mystery as to what adam's feelings were even if lute=eve isn't real... even if i didn't ship guitarspear, it's clearly the lute ship with the most tangible connection, which always wins. i wonder if we got a bump from chaggi shippers too? must be kind of annoying to have a canon lesbian ship and see a bunch of enemies-lovers/victim-abuser people declaring it either boring or somehow secretly more problematic actually.
>>154962286Even if you hate Adam or don't ship them, it's like... you genuinely have to be delusional to believe it's not the designated pair. Husk/Angel, Abel/Emily, Charlie/Vaggie, Niffty/Baxter... Even if they're 'bad' for each other or it's not endgame, they're still very much a canon ship. People are fucking stupid.
>>154953069>"I met your daughter. She's a nice girl, even if her heads in the clouds.">"Yeah, she can be sometimes.">"Lots of big ideas.">"She could've been your daughter too, y'know.">"Yeah, I know."
>>154962299How would a Charlie equivalent born of Adam and Lilith be like? Would she even be named Charlie?
>>154962299this kind of wistful 'i hate you but we both know what could've been and you're still the only person who really gets me' dynamic is way more interesting to me than 'lilith good adam bad' but guess what the fandom wants. still fucks me up that adam, the bitter misogynistic walking narcissist wound, still never shit-talks either lilith or eve at any point. like sure you could argue that that's purely based on a script that can barely breathe and didn't have time, but it's so interesting to me.
>>154962431>still never shit-talks either lilith or eve at any pointAlways felt interesting to me. Squeezing an insult or two wouldn't be that time demanding or break the script. Like Eve I understand him not saying anything bad about her (especially if Lute turns out to be Eve) but him not shit talking Lilith is eyebrow raising.
Yuri enjoyers need to drop loser ships and invest in LUTE X ROO now
>>154953855Isn't that from that one fangirl who gets really shitty when you even imply that Lute would dom Adam?
>>154962491Apparently she got raped by a woman and gets triggered by lute x F ships.
>>154962501That's kinda a complex issue.
>>154962475Almost all current Lute ships don't account for her being Eve. That's why with the exception of GuitarSpear and maybe a small couple of examples all of them will die once Lute is revealed to be Eve. That's why you don't larp Lute for ships. You gotta dig deep otherwise you get your knees stolen.
>>154962513People spam her anonymous askbox telling her Lute could be fixed by lesbian sex. Cartoons aren't real and getting too invested in shit like this is fucking stupid but it's funny how the same people would throw a fucking fit if it was a lesbian who was raped by a man getting messages about Vaggie being fixed by dick.
>>154962501That would explain a lot...except the fact that she's in this fucking fandom, where there's lesbos and homos as far as the eye can see. That being said, I wonder if she'll pull a saggingarts if Viv pulls a switcheroo and makes Lute a dom lesbian with Sera.
>>154962562>That being said, I wonder if she'll pull a saggingarts if Viv pulls a switcheroo and makes Lute a dom lesbian with Sera.Probably not since that's really implausible. You gotta remember Abel was obviously being built up for Emily. It's just that before he got confirmed straight some people (saggingfarts) really gaslight themselves into thinking he was gonna fuck Peter. With Lute the meltdowns will be when they realise she's no longer perfect lesbian material for Vaggie since she's been tainted by Adam dick for centuries.
>>154962524Lute x Lilith will florish. Holyblades stone dead. Lute x Sera likely to go up, Lute x Emily likely to go down. Fallenwings only survives if it picks up more of a parallel Guitarprincess flare to it but the fanbase will be different.
Lute x Vox is severely underrated
>>154962431>>154962457The only negative he could say about Eve, in private with Lute (Eve, yet unable to tell him), is that he wished that she were just a little more wiser. Then they could've had eternity together. Imagine the wound Lute would have.
>>154962577>Probably not since that's really implausibleTrue, but that was more of an example of Lute being a dom lesbian where it would stick out. Dom Lute x Emily would have a different feel, and not just because of the "enemies to lovers" thing either.>You gotta remember Abel was obviously being built up for EmilyWas it though? Abel being straight I get, and while I can see him and Emily getting together due to shared personalities, I didn't get any romantic vibes between the two in season 2. If anything, I got stronger romantic vibes from her towards Pentious than I did between her and Abel.
>>154962590>Lute x Sera likely to go upProbably not as much since there's some weird stuff with Sera since she made the Eden humans (some people go for mother parallels). I've seen people pushing Lilith X Sera recently (post lesbian reveal) but it's not really gaining traction. Lilith X Lute/Eve maybe but depending on how they interact it might turn into Fallenwings 2.0 where people have them all lovey and kissy in art but in show they beat the ever loading shit out of eachother while while calling the other some variation of the word whore. Fallenwings will probably be dead since all it's strong points die if she's Eve.
>>154962620I kinda assumed he's built for Emily since he seems to have a noticeable crush on her and in Viv Land that means they're destined for eternal love.
>>154962590>>154962628 guys lute/vaggi is already a fantasy about fixing a straight girl's comphet. if you give them the original designated straight girl for vaggi to fix, fallenwings is only getting more popular, not less.
>>154962648It doesn't really work because if Lute is Eve then she's completely out Vaggie's league. Much of the Fallenwings talking points depend on Lute being a simple exorcist like Vaggie. If she's Eve and merely pretending to be an exorcist or straight up the template for them and the Exorcists are technically some clone equivalent ( which could have mother and daughter implications) of her then it completely falls flat. It's also completely changes the dynamic since she'd be older than Vaggie by centuries. An older woman beating and abusing a younger one looks a lot worse than two similarly aged having said dynamic.
I wish we could see the other names angels of the Bible.Michael, Enoch, Raphael(Cowabunga!), Raziel, all that.
>>154962696Addendum since I remembered. Her also being a mother( quite literally the Mother of Humanity) might be a turn off for said Fallenwings. A lot of them prefer Lute to be untainted by Adam but if she's Eve then the bond is not only stronger but also there's the subject of children ( two which definitely exists in Hazbin but most stories have an absolute ridiculous number so there's potential for more).
>>154961782>waiting to see if the artist drew him properly fatyes, very good
>>154962753They did give his upper body and arms some bulk so respect for that.
>>154962715nah that kind of angst would be CATNIP for them.
>>154963159What angst? There's literally none. Again there's nothing.
>>154963275'poor lute, you were FORCED to bear adam's children and be his wife and then you didn't even get to keep your name in heaven! adam even took that from you and turned you into a horrible monster! don't worry, vaggi will fix you!'
>>154963373Yeah except it doesn't work. I'm telling you a large majority will drop Fallenwings post reveal. Won't deny a few nutjobs who will say those exact set of words will remain but it will be a smaller community overall. There is a chance the Fallenwings Lute Larpers might fuse with the Lilith "feminists"(especially depending on how her relationship with Lucifer is handled) to create a new Lute/Eve X Lilith as a Fallenwings 2.0 because both apparently agree that men are trash.
>>154963553Lute x Lilith will definitely get a boost, expect that to be the next thing.
If Lute is Eve...Then all those ships of her and Abel will take a Mommy Bent.
>Heaven wife>Hell wifeWhich way, western man?
>>154953060>Lute is in constant suffering as she watches the man she loves betray her>Every other day she listens to Adam's stories about his latest conquest, of the various angels he's fucked >Every other night she watches (through a spy camera she installed) as the man that was once her takes another>her only solace are the memories of day gone by, a 1:1 dildo replica of Adam's dick, a whatever other exorcist was nearby when it was time >she longed as she made clitoria eat her out at her computer>she reminisced as she tribbed Vulva Dykely>she wonder and hope to be with her soul mate as she amazoned pressed Titsania >Oh how she wished to atleast join husband in his escapades
>>154964101Oh definitely. I fully expect TCOAAL mom mod levels of horny incest art.
>>154964285Poor Adam didn't really have much many options to choose from.
>>154964540The same can be said of the women who were expected to marry Adam. What's your point?
>>154964565Cowabunga
>>154964489Lute/Eve is actually a great lesbian fuck and has a long list of exorcists and Adam's exes who want the cookie bad but unfortunately for them she isn't gay. She's just having sex with them to feel close to Adam.
>>154964489>>154964665Isn't it a bit weird since he doesn't know she's Eve?
>>154964689Yeah, I assumed that's the point.
>>154964665Vaggie was so close to getting some tooIf she didn't spare that sinner child she would've received the greatest lesbian fuck of her angel life that very day
I'm sure there must have been at least one situation where Adam's girlfriend of the week has had a huge crush on Lute and then Lute muddied the waters by sleeping with her to assert dominance. The poor girl thinks the two exorcists are fighting over her until Adam picks up a new model and suddenly Lute isn't interested in the old one any more.
Lute's the type to sleep with Adam's girlfriend and then yell at her for cheating on Adam.
>>154964785She has to fuck all these whores cause that means they're unfaithful and only she's truly faithful to him
>>154964757>>154964785As the first humans both Adam and Eve/Lute are naturally amazing at sexThe skills are engraved into their very beingThat why Adam keeps scoring and how Lute keeps convincing every woman who gets with Adam to cheat on him with herAnd why many go back for more
>>154964840That's fucking retarded
>>154964877She is retarded.
>>154964904She's not that retarded.
>>154964925I found out firsthand how retarded Lute is during a night of hot, crazy, loveless sex with her a couple years back. She's good with her fingers though.
>>154964489>>154964665>>154964733>>154964757>>154964785>>154964855>>154964840Probably never going to be a thing in the show because Viv has certain priorities. Yaoi>straight stuff>male character being abused>Yuri. All lesbian stuff is basically an afterthought because it doesn't spark her interest.
>>154964979You don't think this gooner greentext is going to happen in the show? No way???
>>154964855according to his bitching session with charlie, adam is somehow capable of making it to a fifth date with someone so i assume the sex is great but dealing with his personality becomes too much eventually (at least if you're not fair about who pays for dates) for anyone not lute-tier.
>>154964991Hey I'm just trying to temper people's expectations. I've ran into weirdos that think Charlie will go super saiyan and defeat all of Heaven in some DBS/JJK type fight.
>>154965126That's hilarious
>>154965158It's honestly kinda depressing. Pretty sure S3 will cause said person to have a massive meltdown. They're also expecting Lilith to be a hero so you know the meltdown is inevitable.
>>154962597Viv has actually like to post with this ship, of all things. Literally anything else except Abel and Lute
>>154962531100%. It's okay if a woman does it because it's not real, you can't really get raped by a woman, right? But all hands on deck when it's a man.
>>154962577Okay but with Abel, he's stereotypically .. masculine. He's soft and shit. Though I hate the stereotype, I can see why people thought he was at the very least bi. But Lute!? Her whole thing is Adam, and they make that very clear.. she was fucking crying and they shared that moment in season 1, and then she straddles the hallucination. Fuck that, she's HALLUCINATING him period,, Her fucking voice actress has said that she loves him??? It's not even vague.
>>154964565Exactly. At least Adam had two options, and if he threw a big enough tantrum, since he's the firstborn and the man, he would have ended up getting whatever it is he wanted. What the fuck did Lilith and Eve have?
>>154965329Pretty sure Adam got Eve because he actually remained in the Garden. If he left and Lilith stayed they probably would have taken her rib and made her a new man. It's kinda debatable if he got special treatment or was just the most convenient option because stayed put.
>>154965357That's not really the point I was making though? He had options. Lilith and Eve didn't, and given that Lilith had to run away to make that point.... Eve had less. She was sitting there looking all sad and shit. I'd be depressed too of my only option was this loudmouth doofus.
>>154965385>She was sitting there looking all sad and shit. I'd be depressed too of my only option was this loudmouth doofus.Not sure about this one.
>>154965278Her fanfics become really sad and strange when you take that context into account. iirc she has one where Lute is raped coercively by Vaggie and after that she feels dirty and keeps pleading to Adam to have straight sex with her so she can feel normal again.
>>154965418That's fair that's. That. Was just my immediate thought for seeing that scene. I don't think she disliked him, maybe the story is making it seem like she did? So of course Charlie's world is going to be rocked when she realizes she's Lute.But I digress. My point was that he had options, Eve and Lilith didn't. And even if Eve is his biggest supporter, it's still pretty fucking sad.
>>154965385>He had options. Lilith and Eve didn't, and given that Lilith had to run away to make that pointExcept you could make the same argument for Adam. He initially didn't have any other option then Lillith. If he left like her then Lilith would be the one to have options. Eve only appeared after Lilith left. Lilith's rib man would only show up after Adam would leave.
>>154965421For a story, that's fascinating. For this ship, since it happens to be one I dislike and then one I do kind of like, I would not want to read that. As a person, I kind of don't really like, it, gives me a sense of an ease. The context explains it. But makes it real sad.It's funny though. In the sense that, since she doesn't act like a good victim and has prejudice against women, however or not, that is justified, people don't take it seriously. That fucking blows man.
>>154965458You actually like Fallenwings?
>>154965473Hell no, I fucking hate fallewings. With guitarspear, I don't mind them, but I can't dig in too deeply with them otherwise I get really turned off. I like their dynamic well enough on the surface, but I don't really care if they end up together or not.
>>154965385>>154965418honestly i always got the vibe that adam didn't want eve at first. why would he? he's supposed to have lilith and his chest hurts whenever he looks at this stranger, so no way.there'd be something really sweet about adam and eve not falling in love until they could both choose it i think. and to my knowledge fairly unique in terms of adam and eve retellings.
>>154965515Actually there is an apocryphical text where, there is an unnamed woman, who is often referred to as the first Eve, who is not Lilith... But she is made in front of Adam by God, and there's several versions, some of which he is still horrified by the process, that he denies her their son that she has made, but she's covered in blood and secretions, and he is just severely grossed out, so he asks God to banish her.. Sometimes she's zapped, or killed, or she's just able to leave. After that, then we get the real Eve supposedly. I think Lute definitely fits that first Eve. Like if they're really hell on doing the whole wife twin thing, I could see Lute being that unnamed woman. That way all the schizo theorists literally get what they want
>>154965554* Denies her as soon as she is made Sorry. Lots of typos. I think the sources are the same ones that made Lilith: it's all Jewish mythology if I'm not mistaken
>>154965554nah, too obscure a reference to come from someone who didn't know st peter was a person.
>>154965585Yeah... Yeah you're sadly right. I still don't know how she didn't know that. I hope she fucking knows that Eve is made from Adams rib?
>>154965595given the imagery in gravity (pulling the shard from adam's chest) and 'the only soul who's ever completed you' line, i'd say yes.
>>154965515>there'd be something really sweet about adam and eve not falling in love until they could both choose it i think. and to my knowledge fairly unique in terms of adam and eve retellings.Fuuuuuck I'd love that
>>154965458It's almost like half the fans who cry rape and abuse over Hazbin Hotel ships don't actually care about rape and abuse when it doesn't fit their anti straight man agenda.
>>154965765Pretty much.
>>154965765Yup
>>154965747>>154965515It’s possible. Adam might have understandably had really mixed, conflicted feelings about Eve at first. Lilith suddenly abandons him and *poof*, “hey, Adam, here’s a new wife for you made out of your rib. Enjoy!”But you know what? He stood by her, left the garden with her, started humanity with her, etc. perhaps her felt responsible for not watching her more closely.The two of them actually fell in love, probably because they were given the hardships to grow closer.
>>154965972I hope they managed to enjoy at least a little bit of Eden together before they were kicked out.
>>154967715chubby adam is good, we all know this, but i am suddenly endeared to chubby lute too.
>>154968399How greedy of you
How many of you are actual fat fetishists?
Why are there no FUCKING LEAKS ALREADY. I'm DYING HERE,
Adam and Eve reuniting to become the main villain couple, if the alleged leak is true, opens to doors in S4 to introducing the first generation of children - Seth, Azura, Awan, etc. mainly because their designs/lineage would give away the Lute/Eve reveal if they were introduced too early.I like the idea that Seth had to grow up to be the “good son”, the one who was under pressure to walk the straight and narrow until he forced himself to mask and bury his emotions. Very stoic. I can see him achieving a fairly high standing in heaven, complete with the penthouse, big ass office, fighting fish tank, etc. basically he’s a big shot, but you can tell he’s a very lonely man.Then the next thing he knows, his up till a months ago dead dad and his long estranged (seemingly in hell) mother are sitting opposite him across his coffee table.He probably wouldn’t play too major a role, but he’d be an interesting means of exploring the Eden family dynamic and history.
>>154968543>>154968555now see this is the kind of soft girl lute i'm into!!
>>154968853What, you don't want to discuss fat Adam and Lute?
>>154968877Nope!
something i've been thinking about recently - adam very confidently sings 'and for those of US with divine ordainment'. is he just speaking of himself and the exorcists, or are we going to eventually meet the other divinely ordained who miss their entertainment?
>>154968886Well why not?
There’s also the idea being batted around in the previous thread that Abel is just universally despised by his whole family.He’s Barry and they’re all Stan, essentially.> Seth: “God, I hate you so much…”
>>154968893Because I don't want to discuss weird ass fetishes. I want stuff regarding the ACTUAL SHOW. I want leaks and spoilers and it's killing me we don't have anything yet.
>>154968891...huh. He does say that, doesn't he?
>>154968911You need to have at least one fetish to post here.
>>154968891Probably the former because the exterminations were a secret.
>>154968948Isn't that for Trash.
>>154968959Yeah but Sera had no active part where it concerns the front lines: she was deliberately closing off her eyes / ears... She also does not like that they kill sinners, that's kind of her whole thing. So... who's "us"? The soldiers?
>>154968963>She doesn't know
Imagine being sandwiched between Adam and chubby Lute while they eat a pizza and argue over whether you're going to suck his dick or eat her pussy first.
>>154969273No.
>>154969304Okay. Imagine being sandwiched between Adam and Lute while they eat celery and argue over who will file their heaven taxes.
>>154969360Go on.
>>154969392They decide that (You), as their newest and cutest toy, will file their taxes for them. Then Lute complains the celery isn't filling enough so she dials for a pizza. Adam pulls his dick out.
>>154953368Having a chick who talks/acts like Adam is literally perfection (hence Lute)
>>154969360>heaven taxes>you can't escape taxes>even in HeavenGrim.
>>154970262i like the idea that heaven taxes are more just an exercise in creating stuff for the people who crave paperwork shuffling to do, much like heaven bucks are for people who either can't adjust to a world where all their needs are met without currency and like to exchange even a meaningless thing for what they want, really like accounting and numbers or can't wait for alastor to redeem himself. very efficient system.
>>154968891The Speaker has to be involved in it.
>>154968904I bet Abel is Adam’s top of priority list. Putting him above Eve’s existence even.
>>154968857Pretty boring.Boring.
I don't think we'll get them in the series proper, at most we'll get them in a flashback, and if we do get them, they'll just spawn in much like Abel did in season 2. Them saying that they were not going to introduce more. More biblical figures feels very pointed to me, so I think they have more wiggle room with Adam's kids,
>>154971264There’s no point in them. What meaning do they even have in the plot.
>>154971315That's why I said I think they'll come out in a flashback at best. Meaning when they were kids during Eden. The most significant, if we really want to grasp at that, would be Cain since clearly... Abel and his issues. Viv herself alluded to us about seeing Adam's other kids though,,
>>154971326The others don’t allure any questions that need to be brought out and answered.Maybe aside from how Adam could’ve entered heaven if he didn’t eat the fruit that would kill Eve and their children by aging up.
>>154971393Yes, I agree with that...But I'm also saying that Viv alluded to it, meaning we'll likely see them in some capacity. I don't think they will contribute to the overall plot, but I do think we'll see them in passing. If they're going to appear in Heaven, they're probably just going to spawn in much like Abel did in season 2.That's all I was saying.
>>154971444Season 1 didn’t have enough time to provide Abel scenes because Viv spends it on countless aimless story lines. Season 2 is more of the same. Season 3 promises to have focus for once in the show.I miss the pre-season 1 days in which fans had far more engaging ideas about this world and characters. The creativity since then has dropped a lot to really boringly stale ideas.
Season 2 of Hazbin Hotle could’ve been a two parter episode in season 1 with more reasonable stakes.
>>154971513How would you make it more interesting?
>>154971553Amir actually confirmed that the first episode of season 2 was actually supposed to be the season 1 finale, but due to... I'm not entirely sure, time or what have you, they changed it, and thus it became the first episode of season 2. If I'm not mistaken... That's when Lute sung Gravity.I'm fairly certain that's before they changed the Lilith stuff and pushed that back to season 3. Originally, season 2 had all the Lilith stuff.
>>154971610Keep the whole Adam and Lute thing as an Adam who’s effectively divorced from Eve and trying to move on to a new life in Heaven with Lute. Have Lucifer to be the devil and regard Lilith as an evil woman no matter what goes on in the plot. Charlie reduced to a side character who’s only there to be Vaggie’s helpful BF and the main instigator of the Hazbin Hotel.Vaggie and Angel Dust as the main couple to explore their characters and the themes of the show more throughly. And Alastor acting as the only side-b of the Hell plotline.The storyline in Hazbin is very derailed in that the run time is way too short to do the stupidly loose up handlings of Charlie, Vaggie, Angel Dust, Husk, Niffty, Cherri, Pentious, Alastor, Alastor’s fat Jew girl, Lucifer, Lilith, Adam, Lute, Sera, Emily, Vox, Valentino, Velvette, Carmilla, Abel.It should have reduced the screen time to the most critical characters that would matter for the whole redemption theme and the consequences of it. Charlie and a disengaged Vaggie being the main stars in the show about finding redemption was a massive mistake.
>>154971897>Adam who’s effectively divorced from Eve and trying to move on to a new life in Heaven with Lute.Yawn. Also, why is Lilith evil no matter what? This sounds like some pilot Rose tinted glasses type shit.
>>154961333>>154961490dis gon b gud
>>154971975What fucking chance does Velvette and Lute have against Adam and Lute?
>>154971623I don’t care.Season 1 and 2 suck as stories. And Viv can’t make two 16 episode seasons work by her aimless nature.
>>154971960It’s Hazbin Hotel and a main idea about hell is the seperation between winners and sinners. And heaven is supposed to fill in the emptiness the winners are going to have by being away from their own earthly family forever. Adam being divorced from Eve by this system and getting with a new person in Heaven would perfectly capture the theme the winners should have.
>>154972014Yuri
>>154972079So basically no chance other than being gay slop?
>>154972015>calls Viv's shit boring>makes an eve more boring pile of shitI'll take Viv's. Don't talk the talk if you can't walk the walk. Predictable from 'm-muh pilot!11'
>>154972192I talked about nothing about Eve besides her not being in Adam’s life.Her relevance at best could be an Adam, Lute, and Charlie episode where Eve expresses her interest in the Hotel and redemption but ultimately doesn’t go through with it in the end.The focus should be on those three characters. Like would Adam give up on Lute for a redeemed Eve. Charlie wanting a happy reunion ending by her naive princess-like nature and failing to realize the current reality Adam is in and how some people will just never change.It would be an episode to debate about in a writer’s room to try to take the topic seriously for a great self-contained episode.
>>154972388 I misstyped, I meant "Makes it an even more boring pile of shit"
>>154972388Lute is Eve by the way. It's one of the few interesting and good writing choices Viv has made.
>>154972407I don’t care about headcanons. Lute being Eve in disguise just lowers the quality of the show to bad plot twist lore that refuses to do anything slightly respectful.
>>154972520>headcanon>respectfulooooh okay, it's this guy again. That explains a lot. k
>>154972520>headcanonLMAOOOO
>>154972532Yep. Like to pop in every now and then. It's funny to read tho
>>154972178I mean to be fair, the show is for fags, written by a fag who fetishizes fagsI don't know what people expect, exactly.
>>154961801People are gonna be pissed that Lute, the Adam-sexual queen is Eve.Does it really surprise anyone though? She's his literal bone. Of course Adam would love Adam.
>>154972561Yeah but it seems focused on guy fags. The female fags are an afterthought.
>>154972532>>154972542Is he back? Done preaching the rapture is coming?
>>154972594It's objectively really obvious if you actually analyse stuff. Too bad once it happens there will be a flood of outrage and retcon accusations instead of actually looking for the signs in retrospect(for fucks sake Gravity exists).
>>154972401Have you seen Viv’s shows and compared them to shows with more seemingly boring premises? Smiling Friends provided more entertaining experiences in the first season with its small cast than Hazbin did with its first two seasons.The main problem is that she refused to simplify her cast to two main characters that actually care about redemption on a personal level. And so everything is just piles of directionless loud noises that happens just because.Angel is a sinner and Vaggie is a fallen angel. A part of the drama eventually would be Angel realizing he can go to heaven and she can’t.
>>154972594>>154972643I’m confused. Do you think Lute is Eve because she loves Adam?
>>154972695Buddy you lose all credibility once you start talking 'disrespecting' a show/character. You sound like a doofus. Ain't nobody reading your fanfic slop. The Angel/Vaggie tells me everything that needs to be said: this ain't even pilot-era shit, this is goes further back - you're so disconnected from the characters. Oof.
>>154972713Not this shit again.Dude, go back to rapture shit you were mentioning. "i'M cONfUsEd" motherfucker shut up already
>>154972643You literally don't even need to go down the schizo rabbithole. You have his second in command, Eve being the second wife in this show, who is his COMPLEMENT and HELPER and worships the ground he walks on.Nevermind the fact her voice actor soft-confirmed it, and then literally says Lute isn't who "we think she is". The fandom is gonna go nuts.
>>154972713Are you new here? Do I need to summon Looty to explain the Lute=Eve to you?
>>154972760Nah. This one knows. They just like to play stupid. Watch them go on a whole rant about it 3...2...1...
>>154972755The fandom is gonna be really retarded. Ignoring "oh it's actually just a joke and the REAL Eve will show up any moment now" which is gonna be the reaction when Lute reveals she's Eve. There's definitely gonna be retcon pandering accusations probably from Lute Larper, twin theory morons and Lilith "feminists" accusing Viv of retconning Lute into Eve to appease GuitarSpear fans. She will probably put a statement to explain that Lute was Eve since her's and Adam's creation as proper characters.
>>154972724Angel and Vaggie are the only characters connected to the main antagonistic forces of the Vees and Heaven in a very personal way. Alastor fills in the gaps of the pride ring environment those two aren’t involved with. Charlie is a provider using the hotel over getting her mom’s attention.
>>154972819>She will probably put a statement to explain that Lute was Eve since her's and Adam's creation as proper characters.I'm surprised that the long-term fans of Viv haven't picked up on this - there's ZERO MENTION of Adam and Eve in any of her old shit and streams. Then here comes Adam, for the show, with his fierce lieutenant who's audition song is about 'gIrL pOwEr' when she's supposed to be cutthroat and all this other shit, ON TOP OF her va spoiling it both by accident and trying to be 'sneaky' about it.No shit she's Eve.
>>154972829Right so you lose all credibility once you start talking 'disrespecting' a show/character. Nobody's reading your shit.
>>154972852>>154972819She also said that she wants to explore the Adam/Eve story through a critical lens 'but in a female gaze way' whatever the fuck that means, and then in the blu ray commentary says that Lute is the embodiment of feminine rage.Like hello.
>>154972873>feminine rage.For those that don't know: this is a political term that apparently started going mainstream around the early 80s referring to "the unapologetic defiance against the experience of womanhood, and specifically womanhood under patriarchy"And look at that: Heaven, THE PATRIARCHAL SYSTEM, isn't listening to nor does it care about Lute. Who both Viv and Sam have said is really going through it and has a lot of set up.But yeah TOTALLY unrelated to Eve.
>>154972907>>154972873>>154972852>>154972819Genuine question: are they not trying to hide it or...?
How and why are there specific feminist themes with Lute/Eve but not Lilith? Is Viv really going to make Lilith /the/ bad guy who fucked Eve over? I thought Lilith was her golden goose... P ballsy
>>154972930Because she picked Lilith as a convenient pretty lady and mom for her super awesome OC Charlie without actually thinking about any feminist talking points when for why choosing Lilith. Hazbin Lilith is already nerfed from a feminist perspective compared to Mythological Lilith. Think about it OG Lilith fucked off from the garden on her own while Hazbin Lilith needed "wonderful baby Lucifer" to save her from the big bad Adam. For fucks sake she couldn't even be bothered to give her her proper Mythological hair(Lilith being a red head would have been more distinct than blonde woman number 20).
>>154973051>OG Lilith fucked off from the garden on her ownNot to be all 'akshually' but... Lilith did leave?
>>154972917They obviously weren't exaggeratedly sneaky since I presume they wanted people to speculate and figure it out. Issue is the fandom is dumb and got super invested in some theories that were never the plan or just pure fancanon. Now Lute/Eve which would have been a normal but probably well understood twist is probably gonna be the most world shocking revelation for the fandom because they been searching in the dumpster instead of the river for gold.
>>154973113It's funny because Jessica literally predicted this: "I think everybody is going to gasp at the end of this season in a massive way. Fans are not going to expect it — or maybe they will expect it, because the fans are incredibly smart in a way that I haven't dealt with fandom before. Perhaps they will know what's going to happen, but I think going into S2, even I'm surprised at the way that it's going to go."
>>154973069Honestly not sure. The show's storybooks of hell is the most vague and barely offers any exact information on how things went down. In the myth she grew wings and flew away. I presume in show her and Lucifer weren't just chilling in the view of the Angels otherwise the apple incident looks even dumber in retrospect. Them leaving the garden or being banished makes more sense than the angels allowing them free passage.
>>154973141>because the fans are incredibly smartHonestly out of all the things she said this one statement is probably a lie. The only one.
>>154972760No thanks. I don’t like lore and mystery shows. They’re everywhere today and they’re lame. The best part about them is the shock of the reveals and they fizzle out afterwards because the structure of the stories to make these reveals suck. Stanford was a massively disappointing character despite all of the grand build up done for him. The set up for him and his situation is extremely mid. And his character wasn’t as cool as the mysteries about him.I prefer more straight forward experiences.
>>154973168K
>>154973154This is baby's first animated role. You can tell by her interviews she's super excited and tries not to spoil shit. I think she actually believes it. Give her a break.
>>154973168Just say you're severely autistic. Jesus christ how boring.
>>154972907I could see it being a situation where Heaven literally never learns anything from their failures.Lilith’s failure didn’t change them. They continued off and made Eve. Eve failed and they continued off with a Lute that would endure the same mistreatments that caused Lilith and Eve to defect.
>>154973221>a LuteNo Bug.>that caused Lilith and Eve to defect.No Bug.Lute is Eve. Get over it.
>""""A Lute""""">"I don't know what """"a Lute"""" is"Not this guy again.
>>154973221>>154973168>>154972713>>154972695>>154972388>>154971897>Bugcuck Alert
>A Lutelol
>>154973200The most engaging fan creators we’ve ever had left the Hazbin Hotel fandom when it actually released. Any more lame plot elements created by this need of mysterious grand lore is going to kill off whatever engagement we’ve had left.
>>154973394Sure sure buddy. The psych ward is over that-a-way.
>>154973402I remember the original fan comics and streams like they’re made yesterday. And they were far better than the fan content and show we get today.
>>154973448k
>>154973236Lute is Eve and what happens afterwards? The steps forwards to that is going to be an awfully confused Heaven setting and a really badly written Eve of a story that is severely confused on what it wants to do with her and her oppressors in heaven and hell. The writing would’ve been better if there was no twist to Lute at all.
>>154973527Sure thing buddy. Definitely. Lute is definitely not Eve. No way. She's definitely not the woman from the bible that was made from Adam's rib. Definitely not the mother of Abel and Cain.
>>154973527>Sprays insect repellent.>>154973562I hope Cain turns out like Lute. It'd be funny if all their kids were carbon copies of her and Adam EXCEPT Abel, who's arguably the most sensible one.
>>154973335He's done preaching about the coming rapture and has returned to grace us with his retardation.
>>154973580I'll get the popcorn. His attempt to camouflage himself as a more sensible critic was admirable this time. No mention of Zestial being Cain or the Bug Lute thing. The "A Lute" and the whole thing about "respect" gave it away though.
>>154962638he has NO hint of any crush on Emily and has only wanted to get back to his slag pit baddie Cheribomb and his egg boys.
>>154973562What does it benefit Heaven at all in hiding her identity and not mating with Adam for thousands of years?
>>154973578>I hope Cain turns out like Lute. It'd be funny if all their kids were carbon copies of her and Adam EXCEPT Abel, who's arguably the most sensible one.Honestly that's sounds pretty understandable. They would obviously love their kids if they somehow are mixes of their specific obnoxious energy. Obviously Abel being the exception would result in him being the disappointment. Again he's not Adam's (and probably Eve's) favourite son. Implying there are others which embody qualities that make them their favourite.
>>154973598I'm was talking about Abel not Pentious. Abel has a crush on Emily.
>>154973619Adam literally puts on a whole outfit to look more like Abel in the recent merch. His own mask has Abel’s buck teeth.He’s an Abel fanatic.
>>154973604Not having the baggage of having the obvious failure Eve around but still keeping her close so they can watch her as Lute. There's a chance she actually went to Hell and only recently ended up in heaven after snitching about Lilith's Protests and striking a deal with Sera so having her disguised as a simple angel would be the way to go. If she Adam are still capable of reproducing then keeping Heaven from the being filled with their mutt children. Having a loyal woman obsessed with earning forgiveness for her part sins who will do their bidding in exchange for a possible reward ( they might have promised her that if she does a good enough of a job with Exterminations she might her old identity back and possibly Adam Dick).
>>154973658Wow look at Bugcuck ignoring show and interview statements. By the way they confirmed winners don't actually get to choose their appearance and it's automatically chosen for them depending on their character. Exactly like Hell. You don't get to pick your appearance.
>>154973713Oh goddamnit he's going for the 'Adam wants to look and be like Abel!!11' I'm losing brain cells you guys.
>>154973722Yeah it's pretty painful. You definitely need to be a special brand of retard to think Adam is trying to look like Abel and not realise it's the other way around. The son is trying to channel his father. It's like the most obvious and common thing possible. It's also a thing in real life. Because children learn from the example of their parents.
I hate these threads because not enough people post Charlie with big titties. It's always "HNNNGH I'M SUCH A FUCKING FAGGOT FOR ADAM'S FAT GUT IT REMINDS ME OF THE DAD WHO ABANDONED ME FOR BEING SUCH A GIANT FAGGOT OMG."
>>154973763Charlie needs to have fat tiddies for that to work. She's a broomstick.
>>154973771So's Anne from Amphibia. Gimme the goat milk, God damn it!
>>154973763Listen man not even the the trash thread has big tittied Charlie. At best it's Al or Vox gay shit and sometimes Vaggie. If she's not posted with Lute ( because I swear they must hate Charlie there) and its actually Charlie and Vaggie they make Charlie either ugly or zero ass zero tits combo.
>>154973784Fuck, why must I be the change I want to see in the world so fucking much when it comes to art?
>>154973692Viv implies anything about performing severe crimes and the memories of doing them are wiped and forgiven to the winners. And none of them, sinner or winner, can reproduce.Eve ending up in hell despite having a supporting Adam back with her on earth is completely inexcusable for her end. Making a rather confusing message having the same severe issues of other “strong women” characters today by the likes Jean Grey.Lute and the Exorcists objectively work as a force that has been present for a significant amount of time far before exterminations were considered. Especially when earth has issues with demons showing up to tempt mankind to sin or murder them before their time when Hell and Hellborns were established. And Lute’s unique appearance along with her race are distinctive non-human and don’t resemble Eve at all. Lute and the Exorcists being something corrupted is one thing. But Lute being taken to Heaven despite being a corrupted being and used to expand an army could be reasoned by her being significantly different from Eve and the sinners to receive a different treatment. Like being unable to die by normal circumstances.
>>154973832She's Eve, Jessica soft-confirmed it directly. Cry a river.
Boring. Why do people want yet another Charlie/Lilith as Eve for fuck's sake
>>154973713>By the way they confirmed winners don't actually get to choose their appearance and it's automatically chosen for them depending on their character. Exactly like Hell. You don't get to pick your appearance.Those words legitimately explain why nephilim Abel and Adam are dressed the way they do. Abel still has the features he is ashamed to be born with to hide his entire body. Adam fully endorses an entire head-to-toe outfit to capture Abel’s current appearance.It’s pretty cool.
>>154973866>A Lute>Adam wants to look like Abel>Abel is a NephilimHere we go.
>>154973866>Bugcuck alert
>>154973658Nope.Winners’ Heavenly forms manifest according to the same principles that determine Sinners’ forms in Hell. It's not something they choose. This was confirmed in a patreon q&a of this year. You're welcome.
>>154973747Then why is Adam dressed more like Abel’s style instead of the other way around in the merch?
>>154973866Love how Bugcuck will see a statement which completely disproves his nonsense and yet still he will gaslight rape himself into thinking it actually supports his dog shit headcanon. Truly he is a raped retard.
>>154973915The funnier bit is that it was Skye who confirmed this. It's canon.
>>154973848Because it's makes the Morningstars look good if Eve is Charlie/Lilith 2.0. If she's like that then that means they're absolutely right and didn't ever do anything wrong. Lute being Eve shits completely on this Idea because it proves the Morningstars are not perfect. Which is understandable and probably what Viv is going for but the fans are retarded.
>>154973841You cry all of the time by anything that shows how illogical and outright bad Lute is Eve is as a story concept.If it was true, I am not even sure why you would even want this character. You don’t like I’m saying about her in this umbrella of the awful premise it has to start with.
>>154973940Yawn. Keep crying Bugcuck. You're not even a proper Lute larper.
>>154973935>Lute being Eve shits completely on this Idea because it proves the Morningstars are not perfectI think this is what Charlie's VA meant when she said she's going to go through a significant change next season AND what both Charlie and Lute's voice actors meant when they made that one tiktokEve is going to shake up Charlie's entire world.
>>154973940>how illogical and outright bad Lute is Eve is as a story concept.Meanwhile, fellow 4channers, this guy believes:>Abel wants revenge>Lute is a bug>Adam wants to be like Abel>Zestial is Cain>Eve is a wicked evil mother who hates everyone
>>154973956Exactly that's the point. Having Eve be Charlie 2.0 or Lilith 2.0 wouldn't really affect her. Having Lute (this violent psychotic sadistic Adam loving woman who hates the Morningstars) be Eve is what is gonna shake her perception of things.
>>154973908Winner forms don’t matter when Abel and Adam are completely obscuring their bodies on purpose with costumes. And and you don’t find it strangely suspicious at all they are the only ones doing this?
>>154973964Yeah it's a borderline fanfic at this point. Don't know why Bugcuck just doesn't write one. There's like several Adam suffering porn fanfics so there's definitely a market for those.
>>154973976Nope. Skye confirmed. It's canon. Cry.
>>154973976Dude they're not gonna be walking around naked. Wtf is wrong with you? Are you some nudist sex pest?
>>154973915>Winners can’t alter their bodies>Abel hides his body aside from his head that’s showing golden-red eyes when Adam has golden eyes>Adam puts on a whole costume that makes him look like a demon with features similar to Lucifer.>Not noticing this strange behavior form them at allYou have low-iq.
>>154974004Holy shit the amount cope. Bugcuck we know you're actually retarded and it affected your mental development. Stop trying little bro.
>>154974014He has a learning & hearing disability, he's severely autistic. He wasn't even raised in religion apparently but is literally convinced he knows more than those who are devout in their faiths. Apparently his brother came out as trans...?The lore goes deep.
>>154974023He also believed the rapture was coming and probably made a fool of himself like all idiots who believe that shit.
>>154973964>Abel wants revengeOf course he does. He loves his dad and no one is really there for him.>Lute is a bugShe doesn’t exactly seem human to begin with. It at least gives her a cool form and a unique angelic race in a show that badly needs good Heaven concepts.>Adam wants to be like AbelA father trying to connect with an adopted son vastly different from himself is reasonable and heartwarming. But you need God to have a heart that works.>Zestial is CainBeing cursed to resemble like the nephilim brother he murdered and terrified on the field is appropriate in this setting. And Cain wouldn’t be running a big conspiracy to even be Zestial because he’s no different from Alastor and Vox or the other overlords. They’re just scumbags that established themselves in seats of power.>Eve is a wicked evil mother who hates everyoneMakes the most sense on why she wouldn’t be in heaven in the first place. And her means to be in heaven is strictly by forces she controls and manipulates to her favor. And she doesn’t pretend to not be Eve to Adam when she is with him.
>>154973970Eve wouldn’t be Lilith 2.0 to Charlie. It would be her realizing that the woman she interacted for years was someone was a complete stranger that birthed her and sought to destroy her, Lilith, and Lucifer from the beginning. Lute is a complete nobody to Charlie in seasons 1-2. She would be the extra present for Charlie to break down even more from Eve/Lillith or prepare her heart for that horrible realization.
>>154974089>>154974057Nope. Take your meds.
>>154974096He's such a dog shit writer it's hilarious. Can't wait for his S3 melty.
>>154974109He'll probably fuck off like he did once Digital Circus didn't go his way.
>>154974113when, not once.
>>154974041The rapture has no date on its appearance. It’s as sudden as a sniper. And when it happens, I wouldn’t be able to go up and tell you what to do. Any peaceful looking day could become a sudden goodbye to saints and a hello to horrors .
>>154974125You were going on about how it was coming in x amount of days/time. Shut the fuck up already, retard. Nobody wants your shit fanfiction.
>>154974125American ruin absolutely everything and miss the point completely. It's a pattern at this point.
>>154974137One day God will not even remember he created you.
Anyway: so when Lute's identity as Eve is revealed, how do you guys think Charlie, Abel, Alastor, etc will react?
>>154974161Charlie will be distraught and hope she misheard only to have her worldview crushed by Lute shitting on everything she knew. Abel will shit his pants and probably start apologising for not helping his mom also maybe he'll be a little bit happy she's back. Alastor will simply laugh at the chaos and look forward to taunting Lute/Eve with her mistake.
>>154974161The only one who will genuinely care is Abel but it makes their relationship completely horribly written in retrospect for a twist and more crappy Viv tropes.
>>154974149Not how God works you blasphemous piece of shit. You make a mockery of everything.
>>154974191No. Are you dumb?>>154974183Literally this.
>>154974191Elaborate
>Last thread died early>Bugcuck is back to keep the thread afloatWhen we needed him most he returned.
>>154974196I’m smart so I am aware of how pathetically it in actuality.Literally any direction of Lute being a genuine stranger to Abel and vice-versa would be a massive way for these characters to naturally develop and bond with each other. It’s better than Abel suddenly attaching to Lute because “she’s Eve”. Screw those robotic developments entirely.I doubt Adam and Lute got along at first because look at Adam. He’s naturally everything Lute would be opposed against and their first season does show Lute and Sera trying to put Adam on a leash, to make him act as professionally as they are.
>>154974244>I’m smart so I am aware of how pathetically it isHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA—
>>154974183Jessica Vosk said Lute is in Season Five. So Eve's whole revenge arc will span all the way till the end? I dig it
>>154974265She might be resolved in S4 finale or the start of S5. Maybe she'll show up to help near the end of S5.
>>154974257He's really jerking himself off here. It's kinda pathetic. Singing your own praise is probably the saddest thing you can do. It's a sign nobody actually values you.
>>154974314I was in that stream, and it was a response to a specific question that I couldn't catch, unfortunately. But you can watch it for yourselves here: I don't remember the timestamp. Sorry. https://youtu.be/aAOWhv9Lik0
>>154974199You see Charlie is extremely distanced from Eve that’s she knows her better as a fairytale character and she is incredibly unaware about Lute she doesn’t know about why Lute is acting much meaner after Adam’s death. She barely knows them at all. But she has known Lilith for her whole life, at least who she believes is Lilith, and that would be much more impactful for her than Lute ever could in any twist you can think of.Lute being Eve would just be repeating the evil biology mom/parent that doesn’t care trope Viv does on Helluva boss and is currently doing with Lilith. A complete stagnation of her writing that is already completely exhausted of repetition.There are far better directions to take with Lute’s character without making her the original Eve. And it would actually help to her stand out from the other parents the show features by being an inexperienced step-mom that develops positivity overtime.
>>154974321I didn't finish my thought because I'm stupid: being that this was a 'sorry can't say' type of response, it makes me think that she won't just 'show up' at the end. Looks like she may very well be significant until the end? I do bet on Adam returning last minute tho
>>154974323>There are far better directions to take with Lute’s character without making her the original Eve.Yawn. Nevermind. I didn't think you were Bug. -sprays you with bug killer-
>>154971975This poll is basically a humiliation ritual now. What comes next, Guitarspear vs Lute x Charlie? Then whichever nobody ship wins on the right side of the board? The tourney maker took a gamble here putting it against Fallenwings in round 1 and lost.
>>154974319I need soap and water to wash up that mouth of yours.
>>154974329You can’t kill me till Jesus permits you. Which is… never.
>>154974326I think the plot is Adam returning at the last episode of season 3 to kill a raging Eve/Lillith in front of Charlie, Abel, and Lute. Possibly eating her alive as a dragon to parallel with the rib eating scene and the cannibals. And of course his own death scene.
>>154974367The fuck. No. Why are retards sharing their shit fanfiction today. Don't want it. Go away.
>>154974367Nope. Lute is Eve.Don't want your input. You don't get a say in anything.
>>154974367>Bugcuck Alert
>>154974367You think Adam's going to return as a dragon and vore Eve? Whoa, Bugcuck, that's kino. Someone get this man on the Spindlehorse writing committee now.
>>154974376Lute Eve is bad fanfiction. It does a a whole big shock factor and realizes very quickly how low-concept and badly built the world building has to be to allow this outcome to happen.Viv’s real take with Adam are Lute and Abel being literal inhuman monsters and him fitting into that unit after finally giving up on an Eve that refuses to love him.
>>154974400HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA—
>>154974400>Lute Eve is bad fanfiction*canon. You're welcome.
>>154974400If Adam's a dragon and Lute's a bug what is Abel's monster form?
>>154974391It’s a Shrek 1 reference.
Bugcuck is such a hypocrite it's borderline hilarious.
>>154974428And, unironically, it's the only good idea you've had. No wonder.
>>154974428And Lute's the Donkey to his Dragon. Based.
>>154974433Except the dragon never banged Lord Fuck-wad.
If a woman refuses to love you. Just eat her.
>>154974413You’re getting it off.Abel true form is a dragon, just like Lucifer.Lute is a bug demon angel. Her true form is very dragon-ish if the uniform she’s wearing is accurate to it.Adam in Hell is forever and his guitar solo t-shirt is hinted to have a pairs of Abel’s wings and three pairs of Lute’s wings. He would presumably be a combined mix of their inhuman elements.
>>154974453Bugcuck has developed a dragon vore fetish. Shall we send him a bad dragon dildo as a gift?
>>154974453... This is the guy that thinks Lute/Eve isn't canon? lol
>>154974467Yup. Also believes some other complete nonsense.
>>154974458The first cool thing about him.
>>154974430With what? The final show has Lilith Eve drawings and a crew made drawing of “Lillith” that has Lilith Eve’s expected true appearance.While I pointed out many times Lute doesn’t even look like Eve once and doesn’t seem familiar with Abel and Adam enough to know how their relationship really is. And that Abel isn’t trustworthy on that front because of his self-hatred issues and awareness of his messed up inhuman background. He thinks Adam hates him despite Adam dressing up in a a devil-like form 24/7. You know, that little mystery everyone just seems to overlook and not try to explain when it’s just incredibly weird for Adam to do this in the first place.Abel’s existence explains it for me.
>>154974502HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA—
>>154974467Lute/Eve is not canon because Lillith/Eve is canon.There can’t be two Eves at once. And Lute doesn’t even resemble Eve. She would have to be her own character.
>>154974467Read the Bible. Lucifer is called the dragon in revelations. And it’s a very common symbol.Sera’s true form in Hazbin hotel is a dragon like being with feathers.
>>154974511>>154974515HAHAHAHAHAHAHA—
>>154974509Cope laughter is powerlessness.
>>154974515Don't you think God is a gigantic dragon too?
>>154974487Honestly maybe he's lucky and actually ends up being right in the most wrong way possible. Like it's turns out Abel isn't Adam and Eve's son but instead of Bugcuck's nonsense we find out he's Adam and Lilith's son born from the one time they fucked in the garden and that she dropped him off so the two of them can raise him. That's why Lute/Eve hates him and Adam doesn't really like him( he was born from the wrong woman). It would also be funnier if Cain is taller and more well built despite his mom being shorter while Abel came out short despite having a higher chance of tall genes.
>>154974528Cope harder. It's so funny.
>>154974532Why does this make sense. I can see this happening.
>>154974529Psalm 188 There went up a smoke out of his nostrils, and fire out of his mouth devoured: coals were kindled by it.Also, the Holy Spirit often takes the form of a dove. Humans and fallen angels when they’re in hell for long periods of time. They’re reportedly very reptilian looking. And parts of human brains are that of reptiles. I’m not sure how it works but I don’t normally look into the supernatural that much. Don’t even want to see it.
>>154974532>>154974539I don’t see this outcome happening mainly because Lilith and Adam having a son wouldn’t have been that controversial for Adam. And Eve would have been its proper mother and her first example of what she should expect a baby to be like.Genesis 3 talks about serpent seed and the woman’s seed. And I can’t see Viv not making this extremely literal and doubling down the subversiveness by making Abel the serpent seed child instead. And have him divinely destined by literal God to exterminate humans. And for Adam to try to oppose against this fate for Abel.
>>154974578Anyway. Lute is Eve.
>>154974534You make God depressed by your malicious personality.
>>154974578Dude Abel is obviously Lilith's son. They're both blondes.
>>154974581The only why Lute is Eve is by ignoring all of the Lillith content, which involves Lute.
>>154974610Nope. Try harder. Jessica Vosk already confirmed it. Dance monkey, dance.
>>154974562I like the thought of God being an all knowing and all loving dragon.
>>154974606I find the blonde hair extremely insignificant. What gets me to connect with Abel and Lucifer is actually their faces and clothes. They have a very similar set of eyes. Abel’s eyes are reddish gold. His upper teeth fits into Lucifer’s upper teeth. Pink and gold are colors Lucifer often wears and uses throughout the show. Lucifer is a musician angel and he is called a golden angel by Satan, implying that his wings and eyes used to be gold before he was sent to Hell. And his halo in the Satan scene looks similar to the halo Abel wears, and Abel’s halo is a crown, and only seraphims like Lucifer, Sera, and Emily wear halo crowns.
>>154974615Eve lost her name to becomes Lillith. And Lute doesn’t have a proper name in the first place.
>>154974642What
>>154974634Nice try Bugcuck. Abel is obviously Lilith's and Adam's son caused by the fact Adam didn't know about the pull out method yet. Lute/Eve obviously hated him for being born out of a weaker womb unlike her strong son Cain born out of her strong womb.
>>154974644Ignore him he's a dumbass.
>>154974644Okay. Eve. The one Adam named in Eden actually and literally changed her name to Lillith. And that’s the big villain of season 3.Lute’s name is just short for lieutenant anccording to Viv and it’s implied Adam was the only one to name the exorcists properly. So it’s just a placeholder in-universe and even in real life.
>>154974663Nah. Lute is Eve. Jessica Vosk, her voice actor, confirmed it.
>>154974650I do expect Cain and Eve to be idealizations of a son and a wife Adam should’ve had to contrast them with the smaller and more inhuman Abel and Lute.
>>154974672I’m saying that Lute’s name will eventually be Eve. But it’s not from Lute being the Eve Adam named back in Eden. Which makes the twitter post Vosk responed to make a lot more sense.
Looty needs Bugcuck like Batman needs the Joker
>>154974683>Which makes the twitter post Vosk responed to make a lot more sense.That convoluted little fanfiction of yours makes the tweet make no sense. She's Eve, confirmed <3 Helluva Boss made fun of "convoluted" twin plots. You're welcome!
>>154974687Listen here you little shit—(this made me laugh. congratulations. i needed that. going back to the daily grind tomorrow, so my weekend needed to end on a good note)
Oh yeah, they literally said:Stolas: "What? Evil twins are a classic."Moxxie: "Well, there's a fine line between classic and cliche. How about something a little less convoluted?"If that's not trying to hammer the Rosie/Lilith/Eve allegations, I don't know what is.
>>154974678Wrong again. Lute is Eve yet despite her diminutive size she was able to produce stronger offspring (Cain) than Lilith (which produced Abel). It's why Abel is such a massive loser. He inherited Lilith loser genes while Cain got the best of his dad(Adam) and mom(Lute/Eve). Abel might have developed an affinity for herd animals because that's probably where he got his milk. Lute/Eve probably refused to breastfeed another woman's son and that's why Abel is so short. He couldn't get that nutritious breast milk to aid in his growth. Unlike Cain which got big and strong from Lute/Eve super breast milk.
>>154974709>despite her diminutive sizeLute/Eve is rib-sized, actually. She's just *that* height,
>>154974705Some fans are obviously not gonna figure it out. Gonna be real fun laughing at those people come S3.
>>154974705Oh. Huh. Wow. They're really not pulling back, huh.
>>154974712Yes but compared to Lilith she still managed to produce the stronger and taller offspring. Proof of Lute/Eve supremacy.
>>154974715The ones in denial say that this is actually SUPPORTING the theory since they called it out specifically. I'm serious.
>>154974720You gotta be joking. They can't be this retarded?
>>154974719This guy gets it.
>>154974691>Tweet says Lute is Eve (definitely not)>Meaning both things could be true.
>>154974705>>154974717Would Liltih and Eve be twins or Eve is just be a kinda Lilith clone due to her being a direct image of God.
>>154974734So, as you can see class: Bug also lacks reading comprehension.
>>154974720>>154974724Honestly, yeah. They’re right. Helluva Boss and Hazbin Hotel never mocked tropes to go agaisnt them. They’re like Rick and Morty and President Curtis. They reference tropes to reinforce them.
>>154974739That’s bold for a person that doesn’t understand the Bible to say.
>>154974738My research indicates the original idea was that Eve and Lilith were physically identical. However, it gets weirder because Viv confirmed around two years ago in a call that Lilith is a fallen angel. Lilith's pilot artwork, particularly the ones where she has different eyes and bangs (you know, the ones that people love to say is Eve) looks like Roo/Evil (the red sclera, white irises, similar hair). In one of those artworks, her name is spelled Lillith with two 'L's' which is the same spelling they used on the cunt board thing, where her and Roo's name were real close to each other and circled.All this to say: there's either two (literal) Lilith's (not Eve) or a potential switch happened with Roo/Evil and Lilith. You also have to take into consideration that allegedly, someone who worked on the pilot said that Charlie's whole thing was that she wasn't supposed to be born and it had something to do with Roo.People overlook the fact that Viv's Adam and Eve, as characters, were not something she ever even drew in her old arts. Adam and Eve seem to have been made specifically for the series. Roo and Lilith however, have been around for a minute. Even Viv's earliest artwork of Lilith looks like a combo of Emily/Eve's silhouette. This whole thing just gets weirder weirder. My bet is that there is, in fact, two Liliths.... Maybe it's Good/Evil?
>>154974724Exhibit A / Live Example:>>154974749
>>154974760I don't listen to secular pretenders invoking the Word of God. Not interested in false preachers.
>>154953060This show is highly satanic because it has DEMONS and HOMERSEXUALS
>>154974763>My research indicates the original idea was that Eve and Lilith were physically identical. However, it gets weirder because Viv confirmed around two years ago in a call that Lilith is a fallen angel. Lilith's pilot artwork, particularly the ones where she has different eyes and bangs (you know, the ones that people love to say is Eve) looks like Roo/Evil I would think more that Raye and Roo looked similar to each other.So Lilith looks more like Raye and Eve looks more like Roo due to the circumstances of Eve eating the apple or her destiny to do so.Lilith being a fallen angel and looking like Eve could be Viv originally having Eve eat the fruit to look and obtain the divinity she saw Lilith possessed. So Eve is purposely making herself look like Lilith from the start as wanting to take everything from her. Since Adam in the story we have in the final version is shaping his own appearance and even his career choice to be more like the musical Lucifer.
>>154974807I don't listen to secular pretenders invoking the Word of God. Not interested in false preachers.
>>154974807The retard can't even get the name right for fuck's sake
>>154974807There's a fine line between classic and cliche. How about something not convoluted.
>>154974769Can you prove me wrong?They have done nothing in these shows to go against the tropes.They take these tropes and reinforce them every single stupid time. And because they’re literally stupid and Viv is drunk when she handles these shows, they think referencing the trope changes anything somehow because of the self-awareness. They just get even more tropey as a response to realizing they’re using a trope.It’s self-inflicted poisoning.
>>154974841I don't speak to secular pretenders invoking the Word of God.
>>154974749He's unironically bringing up Rick and Morty. Can't this man not have complete dogshit taste?
>>154974846It's the fact that's bringing it up UNIRONICALLY that sends me
>>154974843Read the Bible then and tell me what you learned in Genesis 1:1
>>154974851I don't listen to secular pretenders invoking the Word of God. Not interested in false preachers like you. Thank you.
>>1549747631/2
>>1549748582/2
Anyways how hard do you think Cain( son of Adam and Eve/Lute) mogged Abel (son of Adam and Lilith). Lute/Eve must have been so proud whenever her baby boy outshone Lilith's pathetic crotch spawn.
>>154974858Erika has said recently that Charlie will go through some significant change next season. This would line up. If she's an unwititng extension of Evil/Roo, her offspring or whatever the case, then no wonder she tries to give sinners second chances. She's unknowingly making Hell stronger.I think this is the threat Lute/Eve and Adam previously told Sera about. That's why Lute is panicked right now. She knows what Charlie is.
>>154974864I hope he goes real hard. But who'd voice him? Who's better than Patrick Stump?
>>154974873Honestly who would be your (plausible) recommendations? Obviously someone who wouldn't kill the budget.
>>154974846>>154974848I am bringing Rick and Morty because Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss are exactly like it when they try to point out the tropes they want to mock.Which is being absolutely dreadful to watch. But the thing is. Even President Curtis has characters like Francis O'Doyle that make me want to at least care about what’s going on. Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss have zero charming characters that are on screen for most of the show.
>>154974876Well, if we're going by Viv: other singers were mentioned in this interview: https://youtu.be/CnAPkhOyt_Q?t=2381The singers mentioned: Billy Joe Armstrong (Green Day) and Gerard Way (My Chemical Romance), and Brendon Urie (PATD)>>"I feel like um like it would have to be like the heaven side like but that's what's fun about Abel is that, like we, obviously I cannot say much about potential other members of his family, I will say um, but there may or may not be other members of his family that we explore in the show"But idek. Would Viv go for non-theater folk for Adam's kids? I know nothing about theater or music truthfully. Imagine if she got Amy Lee for Roo tho
>>154974880Go talk about Rick and Morty in a specific R&M thread. Don't bring that shit here Bugcuck. Nobody gives a shit about that trash or what you have to say.
>>154974868I don’t think Lute would know a single thing about Charlie because why would she?
>>154974888Someone's not paying attention to the show. They've established a dynamic with Lute/Charlie specifically since season one. Erika and Jessica have also alluded to a future confrontation between them. Lute is, per Jessica, "one of the important angels when it comes to what we know of Heaven and Hell". Gravity has Lute's intentions with Charlie all over the place. She has it out for the Morningstars because she's Eve.
>>154974888Because she might have been a denizen of Hell (hid the fact that she was Eve though). She probably automatically went down there because eating the apple and hid herself while spying on whatever big thing was going on. She probably figured out how the Morningstars got a child. She definitely bought her way into Heaven by giving them sensitive information she gathered while in Hell.
>>154974888She literally calls Charlie an abomination.
>>154974899No.
>>154974900Yeah. Cause her parents are a human woman and a fallen angel. lute’s bug musical member references the flood that was done by God to wipe out piles of angel and human hybrids like Charlie.
>>154974930Yup. Because she's Eve.
>>154974888>I don’t think Lute would know a single thing about CharlieAre you stupid on purpose.
>>154974921It's a very likely explanation. I kinda enjoy since it nukes the whole "Eve in Hell would definitely not be ok with sinner exterminations" and "Lute should be sent to Hell to face her victims and understand sinners are people and only then can she be redeemed". It would be funny since she would have been in Hell for much of her afterlife and at the first chance she had picked killing all sinners.
>>154974933Adam and Eve weren’t even alive when it happened
>>154974945Word travels genius.
>>154974944>It's a very likely explanation.It really isn't
>>154974944Eve and Lute being their own characters fascinates me because they’re very similar in a lot of ways but the small things on how they look at Adam breaks the similarities between them to very drastically different paths.
>>154974963Keep coping Bug.
>>154974957Ok your alternative? I don't see her being in heaven since the start and being insta dropped in Hell for the apple would definitely be a big fuck you that would result in her bearing one hell of a grudge.
>>154974963Anyway, I'm glad Jessica confirmed Lute is Eve <3
>>154974967It's Heaven. You don't think they can manually/physically keep her there despite her status as a sinner? Really?
>>154974963They look exactly the same at Adam because they're the same fucking person. It's not that difficult to understand.
>>154974977He knows. He's just salty that his fanfiction is not canon. He'll continue to say it until he's blue in the face, even after we get the reveal.
>>154974964It’s not cope. Lilith, Eve, and Lute are the main three women, aside from Roo, that makes Hazbin Hotel a female focused show. And we get to see all three of them in seasons 1-2 and bits of who they are by background and interactions. Season 3 would be the pay off for them.
>>154974975I feel like they obviously could do that but it's a more of a recent development. I don't see her being in Heaven for so long without accidently giving away who she is or spilling the beans. Also judging from Lilith you need to offer Heaven something of value before they're willing to smuggle a sinner in Heaven.
>>154974988Kk Lute is Eve.
>>154974161I think it’d be a better direction for Charlie (already traumatised by everything she’s gonna learn) to have figured it out before the inevitable confrontation, so when she does address her by her real name, the reveal is more for the audience.It stops it from being a “surprise! Here’s an info dump/motive rant”.
>>154974989>I don't see her being in Heaven for so long without accidently giving away who she is or spilling the beans.From Adam? No. From Lute? Yes. She's very good at her current role.Are you proposing Adam made a deal with Lilith to bring his wife back into Heaven? I think I can fuck with that.
>>154974988We ignoring Charlie and Vaggie now? They have more scenes and character than Eve unless Lute is actually Eve (she is).
>>154974977Lute literally looks nothing like Eve. Are you blind or something? They are not the same person. And they are paralleled to each other in seasons 1-2. With the whole secrets thing they’re both supposed to have.
>>154974991I want it to be like a King Candy reveal. Very horror-esque but short and sweet.
>>154974994Clean up that mouth.
>>154974999Oh look, he's still pretending we know what Eve looks like, you guys. Wait Bug, wait I can say it:>durrr Eve is on the carrd!1>durrr Eve is in the flashback!1>durrr Eve is on the beach struggling with her disguise. The necklace gives it away.
>>154975006I'm gonna clean your mouth with my cock.
>>154975009We know what she looks like since the first season and first episode. And if we trusted It earlier, it would’ve been obvious on what Adam looked like before we got his face reveal in the season 1 finale.It’s reliable, so you lost by jumping on the dry land like the fish you are.
>>154974367Makes sense. The animator who made Adam fat in the hotel battle is a furry vore artist.
>>154975039What
>>154975045They’re not kidding. That’s the reason why Adam is officially fat.
>>154975038>We know what she looks like since the first season and first episode.Nope. We know what her SILHOUETTE looks like. That's it. We don't know what her bangs, hair color, eye color, skin color look like. She was standing when she took the apple from Lucifer so we know she's hella short.
>>154975048Are you sure you're not confusing that artist with Abel? Do you have a source for Adam?
>>154975056I'll find the source later but it's true and it's specifically Adam. They were given free rein to decide his bodytype and decided to make him fat. That's what the team stuck with for Season 2.Lots of animators are freaks.
>>154975049Like Adam, her SILHOUETTE is enough to tell it’s actually her. So Lute never had the shot of being Eve ever.
>>154975065lol
>>154975063> Lots of animators are freaksWell their best life here is now. Next one will be miserable.
>so we know she's hella short.Gotta love how he just conveniently ignores that. Pilot Lute looks like Eve's silhouette lmao
>>154975074The power of Eve’s SILHOUETTE.
every1 really ignores how fucking short Eve actually is. She's standing in this shot.
>>154975085STOP MAKING FUN OF MY CRAP SPELLING.
>>154975086Jesus fuck, and Lucifer is still bending over here. She's a fucking shrimp. Why didn't I notice this before?
>>154975080Pilot Lute looks nothing like Eve. She just had long straight hair at the back.Pilot Lilith in the Eldritch photo did. And her eyes are very different from the real Lilith to a hilariously degree.
>>154975078They did us a favour and you should be thanking them. Goes to show that Adam's really not one of Viv's babies if she let a random vore furry decide his body type under the robe though
>>154975105Pilot Lillith in that one artwork looks like Roo, you dingus. The switch, if there is one, is between Lilith and Roo. Why do you think Lilith is hesitant to step toward the tree. It wasn't Eve she was afraid of.
>>154975113He's gonna be skinny in the Eden flashbacks. Mark my words.
>>154975063No, no I believe you. It sounds familiar, I was just curious on the artist. That's dope though.
>>154975116Plot twist Roo wants to molests Lilith.
>>154975118Obviously? What retard thinks otherwise? We see him in Eden. He looks well built compared to Viv's standard twink
>>154975116You misunderstood the whole Lilith, Roo, and Eve thing.Eve is a a villain Roo is inside of because she ate the fruit.And when Eve tries to take hold for herself, Roo will emerge and take her vessel for itself.
>>154975122>>154975116If Viv truly said Lilith is a fallen angel, and if pilot Lilith looks like Roo - which they kinda do, actually, same bangs/alignment and everything, just Roo has brown hair, and "Lillith" has her same red eyes - then I wonder if the Lilith we think we know is Good/Ray and ""Lillith"" is Evil/Roo.It'd be real funny if Charlie was the daughter of Evil and niece of Ray
>>154975130Nope. You're making it convoluted. We don't do that here Bug. There's a fine line between classic and cliche. How about something a little less convoluted
>>154975130Oh great, another moron who's doing the Lilith is actually Eve is actually Roo shit. I'm glad you're not writing the show.
>>154975086>>154975102Eve was on the floor when Lucifer approach her. Rewatch the scene.
>>154975144Take your own advice. In the very previous shot, she was sitting down, facing left. Next shot, she is standing taking the fruit from Lucifer. Unless you're suggesting her torso did a complete 180 degree rotation, she's very clearly standing.
>>154975148Her hips are in the shot too, meaning she's not even halfway bending from where she's sitting in the previous shot. She's standing. She's a midget. Reminds me of another white-haired midget...
>>154975139No. If I wrote the show I would’ve scrapped anything like this in favor of making Eve a more grounded and sympathetic character with troubles instead of a supervillain. It’s Viv’s story and her crap is always a wet mess.
>>154975152I'm glad you, the moron, is not writing the show. God is Good after all.
>>154975148We get to see in the flashback that Lute/Eve was shimmy yeeh shimmy yeah. Drank swallala.
>>154975152>Eve a more grounded and sympathetic character with troubles instead of a supervillain.... That's literally what you've done in your shitty ass fanfiction.What even.
>>154975159It's Bugcuck. He pretends he would have written Eve as a normal sympathetic woman instead of the actual truth where he would have turned her into Hitler 2.0 because he has major issues when it comes to women.
>>154975086>>154975102I have the most horrible thought.If Eve is replicating Lilith’s appearance and size to do her disguise. What if Lute is actually A LOT taller and she squeezed herself into Eve’s size to try to be more appealing to Adam.
>>154975152>says he'd make Eve a grounded and sympathetic character instead of a supervillain>writes Eve as a supervillain and not grounded or sympatheticThe show is already doing that. Lute is very sympathetic and is getting feminist themes. She's Eve. Thank god you're not writing the show. You'd make Eve Roo/Evil 2.0
>>154975165That's how he literally writes her too. He's called her a harlot, a slut, someone who hates Adam and her children. What the fuck is he talking about.
>>154975167Are you fucking retarded?
>>154975167What is with some weird fans of this theory wanting Lute to be as tall, white and blonde as Lilith in the garden? She didn't undergo some weird ass Heaven surgery and change her features aside from color/melanin. She's just that height. Jesus.
>>154975173Again he has major woman issues. Probably stemming from his mother. Not sure if the Mother-son incest porn following Lute being revealed to be Eve will help him or make it worse.
>>154975183I'm curious how he'll cope with it. He'll probably leave though.
>>154975179Eve is rib size. Coincidentally so is Lute. Oh, wait-
>>154975179People just like tall women. Realistically she's probably blonde because it's a Viv show and Abel's blonde. On the skin department she's probably also white because we can't have Eden humans be a darker shade than some delicious ritz crackers.
>>154975187He might just goon to post reveal Abel X Lute/Eve incest porn. He'll probably accept it then and show up spouting some other random nonsense.
>>154975199Absolutely. Like I said: she just went from a blonde white woman to a white woman with albinism. She'll get a shade or two darker. Even Abel looks hella pale. Her skin color will probably be like that. It's not that darker than her own already.
>>154975208Fair enough.
>>154975113no he's a oops baby that she quickly grew to love once A24 suggested the rockstar personality. give the commentary a listen sometime she can't stop talking about how cute adam and lute are together and she had storyboards remade specifically to include his last smile to lute.
>>154975240And people still don't want to believe she's Eve, huh.
>>154975192Snack size.
>>154975175No. The other mother seems to be a huge inspiration for Lute’s character design, at least her hair style, and the big deal is that the other mother is this towering female creature that takes on a much smaller and human form to look like Coraline’s mother.
Great, now he's going to talk about the Other Mother. Yawn.
>>154975175So, to answer your question, yeah he is. Behold:>>154975250
>>154975242Lute loving Adam has nothing to do with stupid secret identities.
>>154975248Adam definitely the type to post pictures of the food he ate and rate them from 1-10 and the last picture is one of Lute/Eve with a 10-10 and the caption "the juiciest and tastiest rib ever".
>>154974709wait, that's...true
Bugcuck's ride
>>154974709I’m so tired of this demonic obsession on making Abel this unloved loser by every metric possible. I just don’t get why anyone ever thinks like this.
>>154975347Dude Abel is a loser because his mom is Lilith. It's understandable. It's not Cain's fault he had Lute/Eve as a magnificent mom which raised him right and strong. No wonder that between the two Cain was Adam's favourite.
>>154975377Losers don’t go to Heaven. They always go to Hell.
>>154975380Abel ended up in heaven because he didn't really commit any sins. Being a sad pathetic loser ain't exactly a sin. Sinners end up in hell for sining and winners end up in heaven for not sining. Being a massive loser is irrelevant to the heaven hell sorting system.
>>154975407>Being a sad pathetic loser ain't exactly a sin.oh thank god
Nice to see we hit bump limit again now the bug is back. Truly he is the beating heart of these threads.
>>154975449a necessary evil...
>>154975461Debatable
>>154975240I will never understand pilotfags when the best characters to come out of Hazbin Hotel were born of A24 meddling.
>>154975794well see, adam bad because he treats women bad - wait don't look at alastor smacking vaggi's ass in the pilot!
>>154975794Pilot fagging came after Viv "ruined" her original non-A24 character. Thing is those characters where always in store for being "ruined". People just got hyped by the small snippets we saw of them before elements that could contradict cool headcanons would show up. Thing is that Viv is super set in her ways so they where always heading in that direction.
>>154975863Also please ignore half of the shit Angel Dust says in the pilot and much of Blitzo's early dialogue.
>>154975911>Thing is those characters where always in store for being "ruined"Yeah pilotfags too often seem to be laboring under the delusion that what happened in Helluva somehow wouldn't happen in Hazbin.
>>154975911and as we've seen from the plethora of shitty fanfics about how hazbin SHOULD'VE been, sometimes as seen in this very thread, none of them have any room to bitch about vivzie being a bad writer.
>>154975947My main takeaway is that she has trouble focusing and that's it.
>>154975972i tried to think of my big complaints about the show so far and couldn't really find anything that doesn't have decent potential to be explained/solved in the seasons to come. sure i'll bitch if it's over and nothing happens or it's a really shit resolution, but no point throwing a shitfit when we're not even halfway through the show yet. i agree she can't focus though - a bunch of the overlords clearly only exist to make sure that the vees don't dominate the overlord system. show me people who are emotionally invested in zeezi, maestro, prick and hatchet WITHOUT using them as headcanon fodder for pseudo-OC projections and i'll show you a pack of liars.
>>154976050I'd love to see more Zeezi because I love her design and theming but can't say I'm invested in her personality.
make a new thread...
