>>154966112>Sam Raimi didn't wanted any of the Spider-Man (2002) shots to be fully CGI so they shoot on location and added CGI stuff later on If only he knew how bad CGI was going to get in the MCU, even Spider-Man's suit and it's stupid cartoon eyes
And he had a bad temper.
>>154966112I like spidey because he never shuts the fuck up and annoys characters that suck shit.
What are the /co/-approved stories and runs for Spider-Man? The essentials.>Ditko's run>Romita's run under Stan>Gerry's runs in ASM, Spec, and Web>Roger Stern's run>Bill Mantlo Spec>PAD Spec>JMD's Spec and ASM>KLH>DeFalco's runs>Michelinie's runs with Todd, Larsen, and Bagley>JMS's first half until ASM 500
>>154966908I liked the Tangled Web and Paul Jenkins issues I read during Magister's storytime. I've heard good things about JMD's MTU run
>>154966112>tdlr>Still not cooler than Batman or Deadpool
>>154967089Nice typo.
>>154966152Fpbp
>>154967083Yeah MTU is a blind spot of mine. I'm going back and catching up on it.
>>154966112>soft rebooted to attract new readers, new stories requires knowledge of 40 years of continuity.lol
Reading 60s Spiderman because the depths of my autism are unfathomable.Jesus, imagine this vocabulary being a byword for "instantly appealing girl".
>>154967806Well it was the late 60's early 70's being written by a guy who enlisted in WW2. So yeah it's dated on one level and perhaps misused on another level by a guy who was trying to be hip. Stan did succeed a bit in being hip considering him and Marvel's forays into psychedelic Dr. Strange and Silver Surfer stuff was what that generation wanted alongside realistic political/social issues being at least addressed or brought up. So that vocab I think isn't completely out of touch. Though I have no idea when groovy started to basically become a tired phrase.But yeah at that time it was ok considering Vietnam vets were writing in saying they want more MJ.
>>154966112I know the “Chad vs. Virgin” meme is played out, but it's true. Ditko's Peter is the best Peter. No matter how much people try to psychoanalyze the character and imply that Ditko's objectivist views plagued him. And his reaction to civil rights protests is a rare example of well-written characterisation that’s still uncommon in comic books, which are surprisingly apolitical even when they’re tackling political issues. Few writers delve into that kind of thing.
>>154967942>Vietnam vets were writing in saying they want more MJI wonder which kind of mags, between porn or Marvel comics, were seen as more embarassing contraband in warzones and occupation bases.
>>154967957For the last time, Ditko's objectivist views did not plague Peter Parker in the Ditko run.https://elvingsmusings.wordpress.com/2022/06/07/ditko-rand-the-objectivist-spider-man/That being said, Randian/Objectivist ideology was a notable influence on Marvel Comics alongside hero pulps, horror fiction, sci-fi, and circus/carnival culture. Dr Strange certainly is THE Ditko Randian hero next to Mr A who's just pure propaganda.
>>154968046I said that Ditko parodies were trying to take a dig at the man. But they ignore the fact that Ditko didn't do that with the character. Someone even pointed out that a lot of the writing was lifted from *The Flash* comics but with more attitude. Clowes has one of the best takes on Ditko, even though he's one of those coffee-sipping liberal hipsters.
>>154968046Which comic has Peter shaking his fist at them from an apartment window? Or is that Blue Beetle?
I've been out of the loop a bit, what do people think about MCU Peter also seemingly going the organic web route?
>>154968151Who cares. They'll change it back if one of the producers doesn't like it.
>>154968165>Who caresWell in the past, lots of fans.
>>154968173Nta, this is /co/ mate. We don't give a fuck about the MCU anymore. Yeah there's a group of us who made that Jean x Peter thread but do you see any real discussion of the film? Nope.
Oh hey, as long as this thread's got a captive audience of other autists:>Ditko draws a guy becoming a golden man like the Atlas Shrugged cover>he gets his ass kicked in a fistfight to Spidey after accomplishing nothing
>>154966153I miss this shit the most. Holy fuck the lack of spine in modern Peter is disgusting. Literally nobody respects Spider-Man and will take every chance to put him down, and he'll go "haha, so true..."Hell, he can't go TWO MINUTES without making self-deprecating comments himself, completely unprovoked.The second thing I miss the most is Spider-Man actually saying funny shit instead of desperate attempts at stand-up.
>>154968209people around here were certainly into the last spider-man movie
>>154968284>Literally nobody respects Spider-Man and will take every chance to put him downThe most schizophrenic shit in modern Marvel is how everyone treats Sṕider-Man like some worthless annoyance and want him gone as soon as he shows up, but the moment Peter actually lets the vitriol get to him and tries to make some changes in his life, for better or worse, suddenly everyone goes: "NOOOOO YOU CAN'T DO THAT YOU'RE NOT BEING YOURSELF!"It gets even worse when Peter isn't present. THEN he's some kind of symbol of heroism to the same people who sneer at his presence. Seeing how everyone acted offended at Spider-Norman was hilarious. It's like some widespread toxic tsundere act.
>>154967083>I liked the Tangled Web and Paul Jenkins
>>154968354Really? Damn, I just finished watching it and nobody's talking about it anymore.I liked it. Kinda makes me want to get back into reading Spidey.
>>154968284They retconned his trash talking to be a coping mechanism instead of him just being an angry New Yorker. Probably to make him more relatable to dorks when he was never a dork but a regular teen going through shit.
>>154967957My ideal Peter would be 80% Ditko and 20% RomitaRegarding the rest the funniest part is that Ditko wasn't a true objectivist. He even wanted to be a cop at some point because he desired to help others. That's basic and unselfish superhero behavior right there. I doubt that he was against the rights for different groups. He hated dictatorships, to the point that he did a short comic in the 90s criticizing them. I read some of the essays and stories he made two decades ago and from what I could understand he hated political correctness, vandalism in protests, and affirmative action. Should that be controversial? But whatever if his ideology was as cancerous as everyone says it was his run would still be good. Best run.By the way I can't wrap my mind around the hate Mr. A receives. Everyone bitches about Batman and his no kill rule, and also anyone irl wants pedophiles and terrorists dead, but there's a character that "kills" and turns out he's the worst thing ever.>>154968046Anything can be propaganda. 60s Marvel was propaganda, and they had good comics. If you think that propaganda means something that just wants to teach a lesson without having quality at all, I'll counter your argument with the fact that Mr. A had kino stories during the following decades. The true offenses where Killjoy and The Avenging World. They had so much potential, ffs.
>>154968448/co/ spiderfag schizos in a nutshell. Obsessed anti-Paul posters will become like the anti-tranny posters that save trannies pictures and post them in any thread, one day they'll wasting their time in r34 websites and will feel something funny.>>154968284Marvel made the perfect character by making him imperfect. A superhero that is a paragon, someone that is a true role model? Fuck that, he's an arrogant hothead.
>>154967806I love this MJ so much it's unreal
>>154966112Supaidaman
>>154967089>BatmanNobody wants to admit it but mainline Batman hasn't been cool since the humiliation ritual shit they put him through. Absolute is doing the heay lifting for him.
>>154967957>And his reaction to civil rights protestsThe protest in that comic explicitly wasn't a "civil rights protest", the whole outrage over it was the story portraying a group of students protesting over literally nothing and just timewasting and causing trouble instead of studying, for comedic effect in the story, and people reacting angrily like you can't do this, all student protests even in fiction MUST be about civil rights or Vietnam don't you dare mock. Which led to some modern writer retconning the story to be a heckin' real protest about true and valid issues and Peter being a dick to them because he'd been reading Rand, for an obligatory cheap shot at Ditko.
>>154970948>Nobody wants to admit it but mainline Batman hasn't been cool since the humiliation ritual shit they put him through.It was sadly only a matter of time before idiots who fell for "Batman is about a rich white man who dresses up as a bat to beat up the poor and mentally ill for fun. Also Robin is a child soldier" actually got to work on the character.
>>154966153Neophyte? Are the Avengers a Space Marine Chapter?
>>154971218Neophyte is a term you don't hear as much nowadays but you'll hear it in older media. It means a noobie, a greenhorn, or a novice.>>154971038Yeah I think they automatically assumed he was talking about those. I could also see that being the case. Who knows. He just doesn't like his own individual rights of trying to get to work or school on time to be inhibited. And that's more interesting from a character angle and from a philosophical/political angle. People on one side assume the protest outweighs that inconvenience while others have to put up with it. There's differing power everywhere. A union striking in one industry might hold up everyone and cause everyone to force that company to give to the demanda while other unions will get labelled as greedy themselves and get steamrolled. So yeah nuanced stuff came from Ditko's creativeness. Anyway which story are you talking about? Curious as I want to know the dumbass.>>154970948What has Batman been going through lately? I know about the female butler.
>>154966112Spider-Man always been lame.
>>154966112>"would never touch contemporary political issues"that's for the best
>>154971406Jeet, begone with this weak bait.
>>154971419Yes. But the fact we are robbed of good writing surrounding those issues still stings. Does it need to be deep political commentary? No because those stories weren't trying to. But they made an attempt and fit the audience which is basically everyone. Spec 2008 managed to include it with the....GLOBULIN GREEN
>>154971218It's Thor, what do you expect? I also like that in older comics, Thor was one of Spidey's biggest boosters in the Avengers.
>>154971038People's reaction to it has always been weird to me. Anyone who's been in college knows a bunch of the kids who protest are only in it to get out of class and shit, hopefully cancel a exam or two. That should not be a controversial statement.
>>154971449>But the fact we are robbed of good writing surrounding those issues still stings.That would require nuanced, thoughtful writing that is open enough to not disregard and disdain opinions that differ from the writers' own. But this is [UNSOLICITED OPINIONS ON ISRAEL] Marvel
>>154966153Damn Thor easy with the Anti-Neophytism
>>154971420Cope, you know it be true.
>>154971038>Which led to some modern writer retconning the story to be a heckin' real protest about true and valid issues and Peter being a dick to them because he'd been reading Rand, for an obligatory cheap shot at Ditko.I think it was Ewing who did that, and yes, that didn't make any sense if you actually read the Ditko run
>>154972242I accept your concession again.
>>154971956Yes I agree. Just wanted to say I still crave it even if we have been inundated with a dogshit version of it for 15 years now. Just like many of us crave good Spider-Man even if he has been oversaturated as of late. I think I shall read some Spidey and some actual literature books.
>>154968030The American soldiers were high as a kite and literally killed babies. They didn't care
>>154971218Neophtye means a rookie in training . 40k didn't invent the word
>>154966112t.
>>154973179Autistic women with their specific tastes in men and hobby stuff like fashion is sometimes interesting to me and sometimes boring. But...that does make me wonder...what specific version of Spider-Man does MJ like and what is her favorite aspect of Spider-Man other than the guy himself? We've seen her finding the webshooters fun and of course she loves the classic costume.
It's not going to get any better after 1000, is it?
>>154973269Oh yeah and Flash liking assertive Ditko Spider-Man would be funny. He da real OG Spider-Man fan. Nobody except Tim Harrison, him, and MJ are bigger fans.
>>154973280You posted this in your thread. But I guess I shall entertain the thought. If it bombs, it might if it leads to Lowe getting fired or let go or resigning. Wacker however means it will still probably be a safe and boring corporate comic. I would however pog immensely if Spencer comes back and he is free to say he is writing the story he meant to write.
>>154972255Nope
>>154973307Sorry but you are losing Izzat at an alarming rate. You may end up as a dhalit by the end of the night.
>>154973317Stop believing the yes no yes no bait anon. Spidey rules, period
>>154973324It's not believing. I just like to expose people for their petty tactics. Yeah sure I'll stop replying but that goes for the other anon replying to that troll.Indians are the type to be so stubborn concerning their Izzat that they will continue until they get the last word no matter what as they literally see "saving face" as the most important thing to the point of psychotic self-destruction. Akin to Dan Slott.
>>154973306I didnt realize there was a spidey thread so I decided to migrate here and allow mine to die.
>>154973280Not without a complete turnover, which ASM has been screaming for decades needing.Literal decades, it's the same hands at the till everytime with only Spencer as the exception that proves the rule considering how it ended.Their mandate is out of step and was always a complete misunderstanding of the character and his appeal, but they are determined to be dragged kicking and screaming to where the rest of the IP has been for all this time.Peter just isn't as interesting a character frozen and abused in this state. There's little for a young guy to relate to, considering he's being written as a rule by Gen X and Boomers idea of a guy in his twenties.
>>154973378I refused to buy the MJ special issue because its them wanting their cake and eating it too. They won't do her right in ASM but will whore out what people want in other shit. It's disgusting. And lately now we're getting into "parental cucking" with the stupid lost child of Ben/May where Peter feels left out
>>154973439Because Lowe doesn't know when to crack the whip or urge restraint on anything except long term relationships, Peters life has blown up not once but twice at the start of both runs. And his life still really hasn't recovered from Wells, christ knows the ongoings reputation hasn't.As such all they really have hobbling hunched over into #1000 is Aunt May, and Peter the thirty-something acting like a toddler worried he's not the favourite anymore. It's just sick and sad. It won't matter, evil cousin will evil cousin something something memories something hackfraud you are my real son Peter and always have been. Thanks Kelly.
>>154973469I'm off after 1000. I can't take it anymore
>>154973482You should have been off before then anon, just come laugh with us in the bile fascination storytime threads. Stop rewarding Lowe with your money, the only thing that matters is the sale.You can always fill out your collection later.
>>154973500nta but now I'm regretting that I haven't been reading the storytimes since eight deaths finished. The amount of shitposting during the #1000 thread will be astronomical. I think I stopped visiting the threads because I was tired of the schizos and spam
>>154973543It's been good times actually, it only hurts if you have expectations.Treating ASM like a viewing party of The Room is the only appeal nowadays. /co/ makes it love, except when gwenschizo comes in and starts pissing but just don't feed him.
>60 years ago todayWill she ever be written good in a high-level work again?
>>154973595Anything good in the new MJ oneshot? What about the DeMatteis and Nocenti stories?
>>154973595Over the arc of history? Of course. Personally I'd love for someone to just take MJ out of time and bring her old 'Stan Lee writes the youth slang' without explanation or apology.Right now? Absolutely not. Same cast. Same crew. Same sauce. We are looking at a generational changeover needed, only the passage of time sadly will save us from the Brevoort doctrine and its true believers.
>>154973630DeMatteis doesn't give a shit about OMD and writes them as if they are and have always been married and I love him for it.We have a nice short character study in MJ's perspective skills, being able to identify Chameleon with this issue as the aftermath, but also her determination and courage. MJ is staying knowing the risks.In short, all the traits that BND have written out of her. She can't tell when Otto is in Peters body despite multiple dates, she can't stick with Peter out of fear, she can't even remain independent from the last man on earth she would date, even when he is the last man.Just a hatchet job, poor woman.
>>154966153Yeah, he got Mickey Moused.
>>154966112I remember a story where he helps a poor woman keep her job because she handed too much money as Peter Parker.Does anyone know the title?
>>154966908Thanks anon. Solid list.I’m new to /co/, but I really liked the DC/Marvel crossover stories for Spider-Man and Superman. The Peter in these stories is exactly what I’d want him to be , strong and confident but not arrogant. But none of the recent comics portray him like that, idk why. I guess sadness and depression sells
>>154966112this image was made by a fucking idiot who either lied or made shit up
>>154974541Shut up Lowe, you and your buddies are all 40 year old+ and out of touch with the audience you are aiming.
>>154973595Peter looks like a 35 year old here
>>154966908BND
>>154970551loved that guy's art
>>154973469Lowe and all Marvel employees giggle when saying this like a faggot redditor when he thinks he's being clever. The movies will make more money by keeping Holland and Zendaya together. Every girl and woman wants to see their characters married in the movies. When they do the fags at Marvel comics will bring the marriage back to desperately appear relevant and get some pity sales. Marvel staff has zero integrity or ideas
>>154972865I was around for this era of comics and I don't think I remember that electric guy bottom left. Who the fuck is that? Some attempt at a new big bad that didn't stick like DC's Conduit?
>>154974926Beats me
>>154974926Cardiac
>>154974527It doesn't sell, it sells worse when done to the extreme like it has for a while now but it soothes the conscience of the editors who don't want good writing because then they'd have to work hard to find new good writers when that specific one goes away. These guys just want to sit back collect Disney welfare.
>>154967806>>154973595Why are 99% of comics so fucking ugly? Especially in face, dear god, the faces.Where are the comics worthy of being called Art?
>>154976145First example I can see what you're saying considering I always thought Romita drew her a bit walleyed in that one panel. But the rest? You're just intentionally looking at beauty and calling it ugly.
>>154966908Spencer's run was actually funny and he tried to fix some shit, but he kept being cock blocked by editorial.
>>154976145Artists have to draw roughly 20 pages on a tight deadline for these monthly comics.>>154976189"Trying to fix things" doesn't make something a good story. It was really lousy.
>>154966112>almost 30, lives like he's 18Damn, I feel called out I have a consistent job but im 28 and just love weed, my gf doesn't mind haha
>>154976145I like it
>>154976189Ah yes. How could I forget?>>154976257>Tight deadline Perhaps modern ones are bad and that is because they aren't paid/compensated enough and they are not as talented?>trying to fix thingsAh yes, because he spent all of his run on needlessly complex retcons which many disingenuous retards like to pretend is the case. That was only the end which is largely due to Marvel and we know this because of Slott himself, the dumb faggot. Perhaps Last Remains and Sinister War went on too long and that may be partly on Spencer. But overall, fixing things doesn't automatically mean it is bad. Look at JMS's run and how he fixes MJ and Peter's relationship and it led to kino moments.
>>154976691>Perhaps modern ones are bad and that is because they aren't paid/compensated enough and they are not as talented?The pay is worse than ever so they're getting what they pay for, yes.>Ah yes, because he spent all of his run on needlessly complex retcons which many disingenuous retards like to pretend is the case. Yes. The story arcs I remember>another tired "What if the hero was split into two selves?" story>Black Cat gets fixed in an otherwise humdrum heist plot>Kraven's Last Hunt: Bigger and Dumber>Chameleon up to something with Spider-Man's livestreaming job that went nowhere>life tablet crap resulting in RIchard Fisk's resurrection that also went nowhere>Ned Leeds's Clone Conspiracy has a tragic death but oh wait it turns out Ned never died in the first place and now he's back and Betty is pregnant>KindredThere is nothing there to get excited about.
I don't dispute the initial post but I do question which ones we're referring to.
Okay but where did he put his phone?
>>154977973Up his ass.
>>154976145It's good art but it may look off to some people, and to the artist himself, because he was trying to draw like the previous one. Personally I don't care, eventually he would draw better the comic but MJ in her first appearance looks perfect
>>154977973In a coffee can.
>>154976691Was '94 always a mini series, or was it canceled so fast?
>>154979252Always just a mini.
>>154979308I'M TIRED OF MINIS
>>154966112The suit is accurate.
>>154977513>another tired what if split two halves?If this was Hulk, yeah I'd agree. But I liked it because it was a clear demonstration of the Spidey that had prevailed before and the true Spidey that Spencer was writing that was closer to actual Spidey. Braindead faggots who only knew OMD/BND Spidey needed the demonstration and this was a good method of showing that something in Peter had occurred to warrant this character change.>Heist plot>HuntedOk I can concede on those but Gibbon, Black Ant, Taskmaster, and the Lizard all got good moments too. Kraven might be a contentious point but I like the ending.>Chameleon>Richard Fisk>Ned Leeds>KindredI assume he would have followed up if Marvel hadn't meddled or he had actual plans that got overwritten by Lowe. Everything in between including characterization and art (except Ramos) was good.
>>154977785Which post?
>>154981569Marvel didn't meddle with most of those stories, he quit Spider-Man early because of Covid and went Substack-exclusive.
>>154968431>Parasite squad of half a dozen people that started using Spider-Man's name (or close to it) without asking gets uppity when someone else does the sameStill can't believe that was done with zero irony
>>154971755It's an underrated dynamic
>>154966112Drake Bell's Spider-Man was just like right and nobody liked it.
>>154966908That's a solid list. I know it's not popular to recommend anything clones but I'd put the Jurgens and Dezago Sensational runs in as an "if you want more" kind of deal. Same goes for Lost Years and Redemption
>>154974926Cardiac was a thing for a bit in the 90s. Basically a surgeon by day who would do anti-hero things to stop corrupt business by night
>>154966112>not afraid to tackle social and political issuesIf they did, you faggots would be on here complaining that Spiderman went woke and leftist
>>154982912Because he followed Josh Keaton who is better in every way and the non-EMH shows he appeared in were all shit
11 episodes into Spectacular Spider-Man.
>>154983109Good for you, you're about to watch the best cartoon episode of all time
>>154982460Look at pic rel. Slott himself confirmed Marvel stopped him as well as that art we saw of Ben Reilly appearing in an issue that was changed to remove him. Get fucked faggot.>>154983078We already saw this bait in this very thread. Get new material.>>154982965Yeah I just kept it pared down for this thread.
>>154983078As long as it's well written and not ooc, I don't have any problem. After all, I don't hate the 1960s comics
>>154983437And even BEFORE this FAGGOT >>154982460 tries to respond, I shall say that Slott saying Marvel told him no upfront does not mean jack shit. People like that faggot will say, "But that's not really meddling! They let him know immediately!" Oh? Then why did it keep progressing? Why did they let him put Mephisto and Strange in those issues, talk about Peter's soul, and have an ending splash where he says "maybe some other day" while holding a ring? That only means in laymen speak that Spencer was driving the idea into your retarded mongoloid, neanderthal skull that he was foreshadowing a storyline that addressed those ideas. And if you got it, then editorial got it and understood. They published it. They either wanted the subsequent outragebux they think exists or they wanted to gauge interest in the undoing of OMD. Well, to me, their tacit acceptance of Spencer getting that far is the same as meddling. A story has to naturally build in a direction and Spencer still stubbornly built in that direction and Marvel let it keep going. Lowe is a weak faggot that didn't know what to do when a writer presumably with a spine, stood up to him. Evidence? The nigga made "Hydra was right" in 2016 and didn't go full blown lefty troon or get into constant schizo tirades and spats with fans. He just left and took a break. So yeah, there is no world where Spencer wasn't meddled with.
>>154983069How come his stick has Spot powers?
>>154983751That's not Spot powers. It's just because Erik Larsen wanted to do Kirby Crackle effects for his laser concussive blasts that come out of his staff. Those same effects were all over the ITSV movie too.
>>154983863>. Those same effects were all over the ITSV movie too.I don't watch nigger movies.
>>154966153>Shell Head>NeophytePersonal insults were just built different in comics back then.
>>154984004They all spoke as if they all came from different backgrounds, rather than different flavours of bemused, aloof amateur LA/NY stand-up comedian.A lot of modern writers really STRUGGLE to write from different perspectives now.
>>154983078Probably because modern writers have zero nuancePic related isn't even particularly spicy and modern marvel would still never make something Spider-Man related like it today
>>154971322>>154973167It was a joke.
>>154983437Keyword there is most. Chameleon, Richard Fisk, and Ned Leeds had nothing whatsoever to do with OMD. All those plots were unceremoniously droppped because Spencer voluntarily cut his run short to go Substack-exclusive.
Newfag to comics here. So, what are the best of the best Spider-Man runs? I just want a general idea of his personality and thinking.
>>154984549Amazing Fantasy #15, Amazing Spider-Man 1-99, and the first five annuals, you can call it a day there.
>>154984549Many people call it at #500, and the rest is apocrypha fanfiction by bad actors far removed from what made him popular.
>>154966908The stuff outlined in >>154984549 is a good place to start
>>154976053>these guys just want to sit back collect Disney welfareGod it hurts how true that is.You can tell Lowe is past even pretending to give a shit, but where else would he go? What else would he do?
>>154984594>>154984614>>154984643Thanks for the recommendations anons!Also, where would I download/read comics now? I heard that readcomicsonline is no longer online. What's the best place for western comics?
>>154984772Marvel Unlimited. If you don't want to pay, I'm sure you can figure it out on your own.
>>154972974What the fuck is Dog shocker Hasan doing here?
>>154983173Watched it. Liked the beating-Naruto-to-the-punch stuff, didn't like how much runtime was taken up by AF#15 despite the show pointedly starting beyond that.
>>154984890It's something they had to show eventually, a series shouldn't be written with the assumption that people know the material from other media.
>>154984525Newsflash faggot, if a boss you work under decides to fuck you over then what gives you any indication they won't also fuck you over if a promotion/lucrative assignment/job is up and you aren't given it and there is a chance that prick had something to do with it? Yeah I'd leave and never give that faggot the time of day again.>Keyword is mostYeah and see above. Lowe would eventually meddle with those too because now he just got away with meddling with your more important story idea. Your logic does not work.>>154984742Find some other hack job at a rag like Vice or some other job where you barely do anything.>>154984890I like it because the origin was reprinted in a newspaper insert once and that's what got me into the character. This was also before Garfield-Man's movie made the origin stale to everyone. It also has kino black and white presentation that is then paid off with the classic costume coming back, a cool fight, cool voice acting from Uncle Ben, the Symbiote, and Josh Keaton. The symbiote also being here means it sees the origin firsthand and tries to give the incorrect POV on it which feeds into the same type of objective literature that Ditko was pumping out. It is the evil half of the essay. It also is effective in the same way In the Chill of the Night was for BATB. The origin itself is a test of the objectivism philosophy. I dunno if Objectivism even quite answers it fully or satisfyingly. Anyway, the ending and combo of it with ASM 258 is kino and combines two obligatory story arc beats into one, making it lean in pacing and heightens the presentation/dramaticism.It also could have been built upon as a memory for the symbiote to think back on and use as a nagging point it has to answer with becoming the Lethal Protector with Eddie.
>>154985542If Lowe was a big meddler, then that final arc wouldn't have been as self-contradicting as it was. Those were very last minute changes.
>>154985193I dunno about that. I think Spider-Man is established enough now that you can move past it. But the message has to be there in some form at some point. But yeah an All-Star Superman type treatment of the origin could also be used if it is absolutely necessary.
>>154985569As Jim Shooter said, every issue could be someone's first. And it's just poorly constructed to have a series require knowledge of some other universe to make sense.
>>154985563We're talking about a guy who has let numerous examples of the wrong parts of pages being colored in plainly obviously wrong ways, numerous typos, and getting into petty spats with fans on Twitter.Lowe is an incompetent because of this. And an incompetent forcing a man who is now apathetic to the work he is doing because get this...he is being forced to create dogshit...could produce the work we were given. Those last minute changes could very well be Spencer deciding to just give up and turn in crap. But...why would someone do that on the most popular title of a well-known publishing company and also turn in subpar work that would go against the run he was being praised for? No. You're delusional. Lowe is THE meddler. And the fact these are last minute changes also support MY ARGUMENT as well as possibly, your own. So yeah get real.
>>154985615Spencer didn't rewrite it, Gage did.
>>154985608Some other universe? I mean in the sense that the origin only takes up a couple of words and images while still getting across the same plot beats and emotions. And only Ditko's origin is the most effective and true to the source origin there is. It's his imagery and the words he let get printed and written under Stan Lee.So I think if a creator excises it, I don't mind. I don't need to know the entire origin of Gregory House, Sherlock, or Hercule Poirot to get an idea of their personality. It helps to understand WHY they have their personality and quirks. But I think sometimes the story itself can be so good that you don't need that knowledge as long as it can be gleaned from the material and compatible. But...if you want it recapped every single time, I guess it won't hurt. Btw, I'm not that anon who just recently watched it. I just wanted to discuss this.
>>154985625Do you know this for a fact and do you have a source?
>>154985676Gage is listed right there in the credits.
>>154985665MCU Spider-Man didn't use the iconic origin and it sucks, just one of the many reasons why Iron Boy doesn't feel like Spider-Man.
>>154985711Ok. I think if you had Peter actually make decisions related to it and there being just a short flashback to Ben saying it and then getting shot, the criminal passing by, and then Ben dying, you only really need that.>>154985690Ok. I forgot about that. Yeah this just bolsters my argument again. Literally JMS and Quesadilla all over again. Fuck that crawling shit eating maggot Lowe.
Anyone knows where the fuck is this image from?I know it's supposed to be from the Onslaught event, but I none of the comics that I've read so far have this image, and I kinda need the whole image for a thing.
>>154985961nevermind, this was on the Onslaught Omnibus of 2020
>>154968513>>154968284>>154966153He had character development, you fucking retards. He grew less bitter and angry as he got older. Something you were supposed to do back then instead of staying a seething manchild forever.
Hah.
>>154986273But he was exactly as the other anons are describing all the way up to like the late 90s and that covers basically all the greatest comics so what's your problem?
>>154986273He developed into an pitiful amoeba.
>>154966153>BLAST IT!! Lol Petey is such a dweeb
>>154971218>Collection of gene or tech enhanced super-soldiers dispatched to far flung battlefields in defense of Earth(Terra)I dunno anon, u tell me
>>154971218I wish.I want a fish out of water Astarte story where he gets irate learning about all the Skrull shenanigans and Earths abominable record of hostile takeovers.
>>154967806>>154973595God, I wish I lived in the sixties.
>>154988032God I miss this MJ.Can't we just have her keep her sixties dialogue without explanation? Just have her using outdated slang and being a force of fun wherever she goes.
>>154967806I want to be the end too...
>>154974926That's Cardiac. Basically a vigilante who went after corrupt CEOs. You know the insurance assholes and pharma guys who price gouge medicine? Those were his targets.
>>154977973In a coffee can up your mom’s ass.
The sooner you all realise that classic Spider-Man died with Maximum Carnage, the better. It was all downhill sloppa from there.
>>154989144I will continue to defend the Clone Saga
>>154989270Nta, but I will also continue to defend that and the totems.
>>154989144Many good comics were published after that. Either through ASM or his other titles.
Why don't we just make our own comics?I've seen the drawthreads and the "pitch your idea" threads; it's not as though /co/ lacks the talent.
>>154989766That would take dedication, effort and commitment
>>154989766I want to, but it would take me years. And I don't want to be an average fag posting his fanfiction online, or basically a modern editor. No, I want to do good stories with a solid art. It's difficult, but it's one of the crazy goals I have
I don't think Peter was bullied enough with shitty comebacks like this.
>>154989728Good comics that were saddled with the baggage done to them thanks to the clone saga and the Mackie run. And they added their own baggage on top of that, like the totem retcon and Sins Past.
>>154967806>It's "autistic" to go back and read a character's original storiesGet a new self-deprecating noun
>>154966112>>154966153>>154974472Unfortunately this shit happens with everything that is too popular, and Peter, being one of the most popular heroes and being know as a hero who is used to suffering is an easy target for writers to shit on him.I hate those mofos, they get hired to write a character and don't even to through the trouble of actually learning about them, they just want to self-insert, do their own distorted version, and vent their frustrations on the character.
>>154990467You think of one. I felt like I HAD to read it or else the 4chan Schutzstaffel would shoot me dead for race treason and thoughtcrime. Right now I also feel like I have to read Spider-Man Loves Mary Jane because somebody said that comic was the inspiration for Spectacular's artstyle.
>>154976145I think the art looks fine, at most i think the eyes look a bit off
>>154983091Pretty much. Josh was just too good. Glad to have him back in Tokon.
>>154990499>Right now I also feel like I have to read Spider-Man Loves Mary Jane because somebody said that comic was the inspiration for Spectacular's artstyle.Is this something Sean Galloway actually said or just someone just saying things?
>>154990499>I HAD to readYes. That's generally how you know what you're talking about on any given subject: you read it. Half the dumb shit people on this board say is because they maybe skimmed through a few storytime threads 5 years ago. I did the same thing during a discussion about Symboites and realized that not a single fucking person in the thread knew that the Venom Symbiote never actually made Peter act like an asshole when he originally wore it. That specifically came from the 90s cartoon so they could speedrun their way to Venom, and then spread outward from there.
>>154990751Finally someone gets why I have these insecurities.
>It's a 20 issue long seriesJesus. Here I thought it was one issue.
>>154990914Technically, it's part three of a four part series; proceed by Mary Jane and Mary Jane: Homecoming.
>>154977973The old prison wallet
>>154990820Never be insecure about wanting to actually know what you're talking about.
>>154990978OH COME ON!!
Well, at least this is only 4 issues.
>>154976145Tight deadlines, accounting for printing technology, talent being syphoned to more lucrative industries, not enough direction from writers, too much direction from writers. Take your pick.
Strangest way to duck copyright I've ever seen.
youtube.com/watch?v=hYeuXHBCDyE&t=350
>pencils by Takeshi MiyazawaAn actual Japanese artist to do anime-esque art.
>>154987490It was the 60s. A modern hothead Pete would just say $#!%.
I'm reading the first Taschen Spiderman book and having a blast. What should I read next that's easily attainable? (Under $100)
>>154967806>>154990499Spider-Man was great from the beginning, it's not that weird. It's not like he took a while to get good like a lot of other superheroes
>>154986273holy seethe lol
>>154992335Reading the original comics highlights that the strangest, biggest, greatest success for Spider-Man is how much of the designs were birthed into the world fully formed and have remained mostly unchanged sense.You're never going go to see the original Batman or Superman designs in a major adaptation again except for intentional aesthetic pieces. But aside from the Webpits, Spider-Man's most common design is basically the same.And not just him. Green Goblin, Mysterio, the Shocker. So many of Spider-Man's villains get introduced very early on and are just locked in to the modern day. It's fascinating to see.
>>154983437>Look at pic rel. Slott himself confirmed Marvel stopped him as well as that art we saw of Ben Reilly appearing in an issue that was changed to remove him. Get fucked faggot.This is cherry pickedIn that same thread several other writers said that Spencer actually did have permission.Spencer himself broke his silence on the matter in a podcast interview :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fTRzFOG02cSpencer had lunch with Quesada and got the go-ahead to finally retcon OMD and set things on a good pathThe problem was he pushed it too far with Peter buying a ring to propose to MJ as it goes against the manifesto so he got pushed off the book
>>154992578You're misunderstanding what he's saying there. He never had permission to "undo" OMD, it's just that there was never a mandate preventing Peter and Mary Jane from being together as an unmarried couple. Slott just treated it like Lucy with the football because he was an asshole. Quesada encouraged him to bring them together as boyfriend and girlfriend, but he wasn't allowed to marry them or "undo" it because in the story Quesada himself wrote to follow up on what exactly happened, the deal itself "never happened."
Al Ewing sucks.
>>154994290He's a good writer but his Venom and VenoMJ were not his best work. Especially the latter.
>>154994290I think currently he's doing too much, when he wants and is inspired by something it can be great.VenoMJ comes across as a pay cheque, and one watched by the powers that be to try 'settle' the Paul question and never address it again. And he phoned it in completely.Yandere MJ was right THERE man.
>>154992677I think Slott is in part why fans will never get over OMD now and the franchise has just stalled in the comics, shouldn't have played Lucy all this time only to rub salt through the bizarre shit he put Peter through.Spite was added to the 'medicine' Brevoort said we needed.
>>154992578Hey faggot read >>154983604Yeah the writer you're talking about is fat faggot Slott. And I wrote in that reply why it doesn't matter. >Retcon OMDYeah that meeting was before the ending of his run dumbass. You ever heard of execs saying one thing and reneging on that agreement later? What a foreign concept to retards like you.Also he didn't even say to retcon OMD, that happened later and Spencer says the pitch was only issue 1 as >>154992677says. Again, get fucked faggot.
>>154995771We need to ensure MJ's canonical dumptruck ass is always depicted and known.
Can we just have a thread where we post cute and sexy pics of Mary Jane?
OH BOI OH BOI LOOK AT WHAT WE GOT COOKING UP FOR THE UPCOMING BIG #1000AUNT MAY IN THE HOSPITAL WHAAAAAAAAT?
>>154995817I miss when writers who thought beyond Nick Lowes playground idea of romance were on the ticket.Seriously they were all over eachother in the marriage years, these days it's fucking nothing but morning after booty calls and kisses.
>>154966908>step 1:dump all that shit>step 2:go find every time MJ says "FACE IT, TIGER, YOU JUST HIT THE JACKPOT">step 3: there is no fucking step 3
>>154983960>he doesn't know Cardiac is a person of colorKEK
>>154996139And motherfucker?
>>154971406What a cowardly statement.
>>154995975Hopefully she doesn’t make it.
>>154995310One of the problems, I think, is that he was trying to hard to shift blame away from MJ. Even when she's breaking with Paul, her dialogue was "I'm so cool for not shying away from this issue" which is just boring. If you're going to be Venom, I think that's a chance to get in touch with your own "venom." Giving in to a bit of your worst tendencies. So yeah, Yandere MJ.
>>154996779It also didn't fucking help that whilst Ewing played the breakup for laughs, it really deserved to be ON PANEL and go into detail. It gets wedged with Dylan shenanigans with Masque and MJ continuing to not address the void that is her life spinning until way too late in the run.It baffles me how little internal monologue we have from her. For years now since Wells we are always trying to guess at this characters motivation and feelings, because they are unexplainable and illogical.Ewing utterly whitewashed the whole affair, I get it's because he didn't want to cast shadow over Wells (and I strongly believe Lowe was looking over with White) but that apology in the park was just abysmal.Also MJ and the Symbiote got over their issues way too early with the Symbiote basically going on its back and offering its belly in penance. There was no drama milked from this rich cow, only a lecture about evil Eddie.
>>154996938*played the lead-up for the break-upThis was and is MJ's longest canonical relationship, she left a man ready to marry her for this thing, and she acts like this was a month fling where they moved in together too early and found they were incompatible.
>>154995975Oh no! But he doesn't have an unborn child to sell to the devil! What is he going to do, beat up the F4 to steal a time machine? Invade Wakanda to steal their medical tech? Trade his body with Otto?
>>154994926>>154995310
>>154997034Will millennial humor and shoehorned political and/or slanted, not nuanced political writing ever go away? Fucking dogshit. Ewing you fuck, if you're so apathetic towards Spider-Man, how about you at least not be lazy with your job?
Kino.Man...I am one of those guys who isn't as adverse to Marvel's saturated recolors in their collected editions. Like I can tolerate them. But yeah, the ideal is actual images like pic rel.
>>154997220>millennial humorEwing is Gen X
>>154997320We will never get emotional depth and yearning like this again so long as the mandate holds, but we will always have this.No, we don't talk about the retcon.>>154997380Gen X is the actual problem generation for Spider-Man IMO. Too much nihilism and disenchantment with romance.
>>154997220I don't know it's a fun reference to Steve Ditko being an objectivist and writing a comic and Stan Lee trying to go in and change the dialog of spider-man but not being able to change the Peter dialog without getting Ditko to redraw the art so he had to run it as it was.
>>154997380Here's the thing: I think Millennial humor has some bleed into Gen X as well. Think on how Gen X was generally rebellious and a bunch of slackers anyway. This means they might have a significant population of conservative by today's standards individuals who then experience a version of troll's remorse eventually. I believe that is why there are a bunch Gen X lefties who also peddle millennial humor and why a bunch of them watched adorkable shows all the time.
>>154997410>>154997400Basically guys like Kevin Smith who wrote those movies with that kind of dialogue that was in vogue in the 00's but when 2015 rolls around, they're enjoying slop like The Force Awakens.Also it's the way Ewing has Peter look back upon that with embarrassment that only people like him (Ewing) have. I think actual Peter would admit it was a bit too narrow of a worldview at times but perhaps that crowd really was in the way and he was just trying to get by with his own life.
>>154997526
>I pose as a Make-A-Wish kid and I use my wish to get a free trip to the Marvel offices >I show up and yell this at the top of my lungs at everyone
>>154997404This particular comic was on my mind recently when people began going on about politics in comics.For those who are unaware, despite this page here, very quickly afterwards there will be a serious student protest arc that also shades into race relations at the time. It's all very "60's-70's liberal progressive" by which I mean the story is about the students having a very real, sympathetic problem (they want a building that was intended for student housing to actually become student housing instead of the alumni center the university is planning on) but some of the black students GO TOO FAR WITH THEIR LEGITIMATE GRIEVANCES and need to be reigned in by their more even handed colleagues/parents. And it ends with Dean actually turning out to be on the students side and just couldn't tell them he was getting it turned into student housing. All's well that ends well sort of thing.Peter himself doesn't really have time anyway. He's got no real beef even with the slactivist students shown in that page, he's just always annoyed when anyone hassles him because he's constantly worrying about something.
>>154997404I hate what it's trying to do, but if I leave that aside it would still be a problem because of the kind of humor and writing anon mentions>>154997220And no it will never go away. So grab a pencil and do something indie, even if just 50 people online or only you will read it
>>154997595>I pose as aYou're not a real fan
>>154997595Just staple the Shooter memo on every door.
>>154997608Yeah....I know. I will. It's just a bit intimidating but yes, I will commit. Soon.
>>154997621Weak bait. Only retards like Slott try to get into pissing contests on the internet.
>>154997404>it's a fun referenceIt really isn't.
>>154966908I will always recommend Superior. >But the side characters are stupid for not noticing the switcherooIt's true and fuck you, my boy Otto carries the entire plot on his back.
>>154997735Otto pretty rapey at the start.So Otto dates Aunt May and MJ?And uses MJ's memories to masturbate?
>>154997735Why settle for that though when you can just read Gage's Superior which is better in every way?
>>154997649No retard. If you're going to do the Make A Wish plan, compromise and get real cancer. It's what Peter would do. Sacrifice for the greater good
>>154997735Superior sucks ass. I'll play your dumb game and ignore that glaringly obvious problem. Otto still isn't fun as a character to watch go through the story and he simultaneously feels like a gary stu and a complete retard during the whole run.
>>154997778Nope. Why waste my life when I can fake it? They're dumb enough to let /co/ into a letters page, they're dumb enough to buy a fake cancer patient.
Bros...why is he smiling?
What would your ideas be for a Mary Jane hero in Rivals? Some unorthodox idea or would you go She-VenoMJ and/or Spinnerette?
>>154997764>Spider-Man 2 opens with a montage of stills from the previous movie, but they're all Alex Ross paintings>Spider-Man 3 also opens with a montage of stills, but they're just actual screen grabsYou could tell it was gonna be bumpy ride just from that
>>154997754He only wanted to fuck MJ because1. Peter's body wanted to do it.2. Peter's memories wanted to do it. 3. Wanted to prove himself SUPERIOR to Peter that fumbled her. And as we know, #3 was vain and not that serious #1/2 were an issue. >>154997760I will call Mephisto to forget your post. >>154997782Otto is a very fun character during 90% of the run he only fumbles shit on the last 3 or so issues were the Goblin has the plot on his side. I don't think he's a Stu at all, I agree he has some really retarded moments but that's an Otto/Peter common trait.
>>154997839I know nothing of rivals unfortunately, I'd prefer Spinnerette over VenoMJ unless they are going a very different route and origin for the latter.Does Rivals have some pub area where you interact with NPC's? I know it has those gooner servers.
>>154997875He got interrupted in the bedroom, Slott wrote himself an out when he shouldn't have been writing the damn thing to begin with.
What made Spider-man great back in the day is that he's literally a villain backstory, a guy that by all rights should have been a villain, in terms of personality he's also a total cunt with a chip on his shoulder, and even then he's still a hero. Its a quality you don't see in modern spider-man, but by all rights he's a guy that should just be a two-bit villain but in the end he just didn't. Cheap villain backstory about being bullied all his life and wanting revenge against the jocks, personality that constantly seethed behind their backs about what he'd do if he had power, sick aunt he could use to rationalize robbing banks or something, he has all the makings of a street level hoodlum if he got power, but even before he became a full on hero all he did was cheap ship like try to become a wrestler.Its like you don't need to be a good person to still be a hero.
>>154997875>only wanted to fuck MJ b/c...headcanonIt's just a wildly out of place scene that Slott felt like writing because he's a degen and wanted to get as much ragebux as possible. The faggot is a hack.>90% of the runWhen you compare him to Ock before OMD, he's a shallow character that is vain/egocentric in a shallow way. Not the conniving schemer that real Ock was. The mind switch would have never happened because he would have never even stoop as to become his sworn enemy.>agree he has retarded moments but that's an Otto/Peter traitThat's a Slott/BND cabal/bad writing trait.
>>154997797>enough to let /co/ into a letters pageheh I forgot about that
Superior and much of BND content just reads like a Jerry Springer episode.
>>154998025Don't forget the cover with Otto-Peter explicitly kissing MJ.Classy.
>>154997898It has some levels like Times Square, a beach on Krakoa I think, maybe one other place. I don't know much either but I dip in to see what the movesets and skins look like as well some of the lore.
>>154998088If any part of the IP is open to the throuple beyond teasing it in the comics, it's China run goonergame.
>>154998096Would be based. Lefties would not even do anything since this is like the one exception it seems to their ideology and moral superiority complexes while perhaps some conservatives would say it looks bad to have with a hero like Spider-Man but I think that would also quickly die off.
>>154998537Mormons would be into it.Most of the target audience would be very into it.Look, the standard set is deal with the devil. They could not give less of a shit.
>>154997839I’d go with her as Jackpot and have a roulette of abilities that constantly change after a certain time period. This way she can have a unique gimmick instead of being a derivative of other heroes
>>154998982Yeah but first you'd have to make a design that doesn't suck and I'd trust NetEase with a variant of the Spider-costume or Venom more than that shit.I know their design for Peter isn't the greatest but it is within the realm of possibility rather than Jackpot. Plus I'd rather Domino get in.
MY VILLAINS
They might have been fumbled at some point but this duo of supervillains was a cool as fuck concept. Basically Crime Master and GG 2.0 for the 80's.
>>154998982Extracting Jackpot from the Wells mess is impossible, I'm sorry it's just utterly cooked. NetEase aren't going to choose something everyone knows failed and lost money.Also her powers never made any sense, you're going into extremely dangerous situations on a thousands strong roulette wheel? It's worse odds than Ben 10. Is it going to be stuck to the same moves for Rivals?
>>154998878Electro is underrated
>>154998915>big boobie goop woman symbioteAh, a higher tier of artist I see
>>154999012Loving Hobby throwing the horns and rocking out.
>>154988269me three :(
What's with the random images?
I don't like edgy Spider-man. Even Last Hunt wasn't that edgy.
>>154999849Yeah that image's only flaw is how Vulture's wings look and Carnage turning into stretch armstrong. But yeah everybody else makes it look cool and it looks like an image FOR THE BOYS.
>>154997864>Spider-Man but it's a Garth Ennis storyFuck, I'd read it.
>>154997717You know, if Mr. Partridge just left it as linework like this, we might get a video more often than every 6 years
>>155003286Well isn't linework and inking the most laborious part of the process? Granted, coloring can take forever for animation since you're dealing with digital coloring for each and every frame, but I imagine it would still be herculean even with only lines.
>>154973179Yeah, but this is correct, and Makima is supposed to be wrong during this scene.
>>155003951Yeah but CSM ended up going into the shitter quality-wise, Makima was the best antagonist, and the message of that story is what you say it is, but it then leads to the people who say Spider-Man shouldn't be those things to then have to look deeper at what they consume and realize that what she is saying is right in this instance. Or the mememaker just fucked up but I still would say Makima's fervent like of CSM is similar to the MJ and Spider-Man which is the real point.
>>155004039It didn’t.
>>155004050Stunning argument. You're convinced me to ignore you.
>>155004039
>>154997839Why does MJ look like an Instathot?
>>155004726Are you just saying that because she has that same weird mouth open look that some artists and women always do? I will admit it isn't my favorite but yeah whatever.
>>154998982>not very derivative>but belongs to the worst comicsQuite a conundrum
>>155003919Sigma
>>154999012Best Rogues gallery
>>154997386>>154997526I think I may have a specific fetish about girls dressed as Spider-Man...
>>154968831Oh ho Rashid Saarpat
>>155006861Who?
>>155006136Second best.
>>155008926Who’s first?
>>154966112WASTED!!!! FEEEEEIIIIGGGGGGEEEEEE
Tell me about Spectacular Spiderman. Is it as jaw dropping and fantastic as people make it out to be, or is it a Teen Titans 03 situation where a decent cartoon got unjustly cancelled and now its fans who vastly overrate it have to make it everyone else's problem?>t. my only exposure to Spiderman was the Ultimate Spiderman cartoon where every single youtube video about it was bombarded by raging Spectacular Fans (and also that one PS2 game where you could deliver Pizzas)
>>155010508Decent cartoon scenario. Anything is overrated if you listen to certain glazers, but absolutely worth a watch. It does the best adaptation of classic MJ we have ever seen, not a high bar but it's nice to see what made her make an impact to the audience in the first place.
>>155010508I haven't watched the glazers but I am biased in that I was very young when it came out and I had already seen a couple of those TAS dvd collections. Basically it is the most faithful adaptation of the spirit of Ditko Spider-Man. TAS is like that but also has a lot of time spent on other sagas and is too brisk when it comes to pacing. Spec does the Ditko stuff where he is torn between obligations, conflicted about moral decisions, and has villains who are connected in more ways and have a bit more agency. It also has one foot in the "modern" Spider-Man kino. It has the most substantial adaptation of Venom while doing a slightly different riff on the black costume saga that TAS pioneered. The action and choreography are also much more fluid and is more ambitious due to the simpler artstyle allowing for really wild action. The voice cast is impeccable. The 2nd season is a slight downgrade in terms of stories and some minor decisions. But, it is still worth watching.
Does anyone care about what happens in the mainline comics at this point?
>>155012270It's the least relevant, lucrative and creative of all the IP.At this point it's just to give some closure, before shooting a lame and suffering dog.
>>155012270I do, but only because it's the main universe and apathy just gives the retards in Marvel free reign to fuck Spiderman up more
>>154998982Will she reference Paul in her lines
Mm..yes. White Rabbit. Would like some more panty shots of her. Would also make for a good rival to Squirrel Girl. Dunno if that has been done before.
I read through Untold one time. Man...such a waste.
>>155006836Webbing when used to distort and warp itself around breasts to achieve greater depth/curvature is quite the sight.
I need to find a higher quality version of pic rel. It's essential.
I have a question and a follow up. First, which logo for the books is the best? Pic rel doesn't have all of them but I use it as a substitute.
I like Ultimate Spidey.
>>155013541And what is the best spider symbol?My answers:It's 1994 logo for any Spider-Man story in the present and maybe the 76-87 logo for any in-universe usage like a newspaper or advertisement that shows Spider-Man. Then the 60's logo for any teenage stories. But overall 94 is the best.Spider symbol is tricky. Probably Larsen/Bagley's 90's symbol.
>>155013564
Liked the weird blue tint these Raimi-man renders had.
>>155013650I love those big ass eyes man. Bagley is one of the goats
>>154971038That's Ditko making a statement about protestors and what he thinks of them. Ditko naturally thought they were all time wasters who didn't get it, so he threw a strawman in.Ewing was right
