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>>154976285For someone who's supposed to be the First Man he sure is a creature.
>>154976327That's the point.
>>154976327>>154976429I like how Adam's a sharp toothed monster and then the Devil is just a blond guy.
>>154976484That's because one was born out of creativity and the other was born out of a Onceler Tumblr fetish.
>>154976285with those big ol eyes he can have whatever he wants.
>>154976285Those eyes almost remind me of Hollow Knight.And no, I am not the bugcuck, I just played Silksong recently.
>>154976965Don't you have any new images?
>>154976285reminder that there's people who think adam's helmet and halo are meant to symbolise a penis (the downward pointing part) going into a vagina (between his horns) and this is evidence of his misogyny, because you need more evidence besides what he does and says.
>>154977114I mean, it’s pretty obvious it’s meant to represent a sick going into a womb. Hell, split the A in half, the way it’s designed and you get an E.I mean, cmon.
>>154977202*dick. Damn autocorrect.
>>154977202combined with lute's helmet, sure, but by itself with just adam's horns? nah. i think it's far more interesting that despite his high position relative to other winners and getting an upgraded halo as a result apparently, adam's halo doesn't have an 'eye' when lute, all exorcists and most other seraphim halos do.
>>154977202or…you know…it looks like the letter A…for Adam…
>>154977281Not him but Adam's A is obviously supposed to double as a dick. It looks like the dicks you doodled on shit in middle school.
Why do they hate projectors?
>>154977458Monkey brain don't like magic images
>>154976285You'd think these two were the main characters of this show instead of minor villains based on these threads.
>>154977550I mean, they’re not minor villains. Adam was the main antagonist for S1, and Lute is set up to be one of the main antagonists of the whole show, so yeah.
lucifer kinda handsome. no homo
>>154977721Alastor...
I like that Lute being has so much weird little evidence going for it, not gonna lie...
>>154977851Lute being Eve, **
>>154977458because they're projecting hardcore about their own flaws.
>>154977923I was just about to say... That and the masks glitching. They're both pretending to be something they're not
>>154977935I love that Adam wears the mask even when he's not trying to be intimidating. He's just that committed to looking like a cool monster. I can respect it.
That Lute shipping tourney is apparently spawning a wave of nastiness from Lute larpers toward Guitarspear fans over on Twitter lol they're very mad
>>154978513they seemed genuinely shocked that 'hetslop' is beating lute/velvette. like guys you're putting up the het equivalent of husk/angel against husk/lucifer here. the fuck did they think was going to happen?
>>154978574Lute/Velvette is unseasoned chicken and boiled rice
>>154978662Lute/Vaggi has more chemistry than that
>>154978662i'm trying to find the appeal for it but i just can't tell if i'm dealing with people who remember that velvette's the one selling the 'love potions' or not, because remembering that is critical to being a velvette understander but the amount of people who think she's the 'nice' vee because it's so understated drives me insane.
>>154978513Link to the post? I wanna see the seething for myself
>>154978714https://x.com/AlexisByBel/status/2086801129329848640It's all happening in the form of those anonymous 'gimmicks' (Twitter users yearn for Tumblr but they don't know how to say it)
>>154976965>>154976999If you mean GuitarQueen imagines then probably no. Because there's so little. Not OP by the way.
>>154978698Of course they don't fucking acknowledge that Velvette sells date rape drugs to her best buddy rape moth. She's a lesbian duh.
Will Twitter still make excuses for Velvette if they heavily imply her actually raping a woman in the show?
>>154978809They won't ever show or imply that but if it was the case then yes people would still defend her since she's a woman. It's Twitter. That place is full of bad takes.
>>154978870I don't know if they wouldn't imply it. She's best friends with a rapist and literally makes date rape drugs and sells them to anyone.
>>154978809>>154978870paradoxically if she didn't actually rape anyone herself but stood by and cheerfully let it happen to someone that wasn't angel, she'd instantly be more hated than the rapist in that scenario.
>>154978686Realistically, depending on who got the upper hand Velvette/Lute either ends in Velvette drugging and raping Lute then cutting her wings off for a dress or Lute killing Velvette in some over the top gory Jason Voorhees fashion.
Yet another Lilith #2 Eve
>>154979662If you didn't tell me that's Eve I'd assume it's Lilith.
>>154979662You know, for a fandom that loves to preach about women being written well, it's ironic they really want Eve to literally be a Lilith clone, both in design and personality.
>>154979662Why is it so popular to turn Eve into almost twin looking? Like I'd be fine if Lute/Eve looks maybe like a sister or something to Lilith but not full on twin.
>>154979788Because despite their preaching about women being written well they somehow regurgitate the most misogynistic takes ever. Literally just saw another "Eve probably stopped loving Adam the moment she got free will" which makes me question if these people genuinely understand what they're implying in a setting where Abel an Cain exists plus the possibility of many other children. They really want to turn all women in the show into victims.
>>154979823That's why Lute!Eve works so well. She looks similar to Lilith but is still clearly a new, different person.
>>154979866not just victims but victims who got sent to suffer in hell while adam got to go to heaven and continue creating victims in heaven for thousands of years. and yet NONE of them see anything wrong with sera and the other angels allowing this to happen, or the speaker of god or even god directly. ever. they say adam only got into heaven because of nepotism but never criticise the one they believe favoured him. they literally just want adam to be the only thing wrong with heaven AND hell.
>>154979866You had me in the first half... But Eve is very much a victim. Not to get all woke feminist but yeah I would say there is an inherent gender inequality and how women are treated, but that's going off a whole different discussion. Eve is the youngest of the three humans, she got fucked over by Lucifer and Lilith. It doesn't matter if Lilith was slightly older than herself, it's like a 5-year-old and a 10-year-old... And clearly it's visually shown that Lilith was hesitating, meaning she knew or she felt, to a certain extent, that what they were doing was not the best thing, for whatever reason. It's not about Eve being a woman or a victim... It's about not even giving Eve, and a lot of the other female characters, their own agency: notice how, in the fandom, Eve's story is exactly the same as a Lilith. The only difference is that Lilith had someone she could go to Hell with. Eve just had Adam, and he's in Heaven. We don't know where she is (cough she's Lute cough)But literally the same story. It's insane. They want basically an alternate Universe version of Lilith. With the same design and everything
>>154979947It works even better because she looks like very much like an off brand Lilith. She's short, doesn't have the same build, objectively "less" hot... You know how in sitcoms, they bring up fraternal twins for the main characters to date, and then one of them looks nothing like the hot one?? Those vibes.
>>154979983Don't diss Lute like that. She has her charm.
>>154979961Nta but I think they meant Eve as a victim of Adam specifically and especially in the context of people insisting she was in a loveless relationship full of marital rape.
>>154979961Not saying Eve ain't a victim. I'm just pointing out the fandom wants to turn her into a very specific type of victim.
>>154980043Yup. That's what I was saying.
>>154980043>>154980052Oh, got it. I'm stupid and I misunderstood the point.
>>154980069Yeah they want Adam to be the problem, basically. People don't understand, or don't want to understand that he's the victim as well.
>>154980031Lilith is such a bummer to hang out with man, she doesn't wanna see the cool rock Adam found or the awesome bird he saw. Eve's down for everything.
lute's hair looks almost exactly like if you gather a bunch of long hair together and then chop it in one go. her hand movements in gravity when she's self-comforting during 'wishing you were there/the only soul' sections look like they're mimicking someone running their hands through her hair and it was most likely adam. i'm not going anywhere with this i just think that eve looking like lilith is fine since i can definitely imagine eve trying to change her looks somehow in that specific manic haircut mode of depression and then panicking about it, and then adam soothing her by running his hands through the new cut and telling her he loves it. and she kept it short ever since.
>>154980380That's a funny part: she arguably does look like Lilith. A handful does come with personal stylization/design choices, since a lot of the female characters on these shows have those same eyes, but her hair specifically, the little cowlick at the top, the highlights.. Just lengthen her hair, make it blonde... And she's a mini Lilith, fulfilling the "Eve and Lilith are identical" bit from the leaks. She's just arguably an off-brand Lilith, so to speak.
>>154980406Nah. She ain't off brand Lilith. She's the upgrade. The superior Lilith so to say.
>>154980111People just want someone to blame. They need a face they can point at and say, “it’s all their fault”, be it Adam, Sera, the Speaker, some random angels who were mean to Eve, etc. The fact it’s an institutional problem that needs fixing from the foundation isn’t sexy enough. You need a resident black hat to dump all responsibility and blame on.
>>154980476I like your way of thinking, guy.
>>154980477He's the easiest target because he's a man, white, cis and heterosexual. That is a sin in these sorts of fandoms. He's the one that raped Lilith. He's the one that mistreated Eve. He's the one that manipulated Sera.
>>154980476>>154980485The way it’s going, it’s sure shaping up to be that way.Lilith is probably gonna be The Mighty Eagle of the Hellaverse.Meanwhile… if the alleged leak is true and Adam* and Eve become the resident villain couple, then fuck, I want them to be the OTP. The MorticianxGomez-Partners n Crime pairing types that Viv loves. These two fucking adore each other and have been so miserable apart.
That one interview with Vosk where she said Lute listens to My Chemical Romance got me wondering what's her favourite song of theirs. I bet she listens to Famous Last Words when she's feeling especially angsty
>>154980610Funny how MCR was one of the bands listed as the potential vocalists to voice act Adam's kids during that one interview with Viv
>>154980589>The MorticianxGomez-Partners n Crime pairing types that Viv lovesPretty sure that couple is going to be Adam and Eve. A lot of Lucilith fans hope that's gonna be their ship dynamic but there's a likely chance said dynamic was repurposed for A&E while the two Ls get a more complicated and complex divorce situation.
>>154980637Cain is Mommy's angsty violent mini me, just you wait
>>154980637Imagine that's where we get Cain's VA. Lute/Eve literally listening to songs her son would sing.
>>154980652He's going to have silver white hair just like Lute and Gerard Way.
>>154980646I fully expect him to be a tall twinkish looking male Lute with some Adam features( probably brown hair). He might be pretty chill tho. Especially compared to his mom.
>>154980639To be fair, that's what they said about Lucifer and Lilith for the longest time though
>>154980669I'm expecting him to be on Earth like in some folklore. Given the show's runtime I'm more expecting him to be in Helluva Boss instead of Hazbin but maybe after a Lute-Eve reveal if it happens.
They could do a HB episode where IMP are contracted to kill Cain but they can't do it and eventually give up because of the curse
>>154980671Honestly I don't see that for the Ls because Viv is too attached to them and is probably gonna play it too safe when it comes to them. Adam and Eve/Lute have the advantage of being newer characters so they're not shackled like a lot of her old favourites that stick to a maybe outdated plan.
>>154980690>>154980701Honestly Cain would be interesting to introduce in HB or the HH-HB crossover. Maybe we'll get to see him early pre Lute/Eve reveal. Him showing up in HB S3 would be a suprise.
>>154980723I still think it'd be cool if he was in a band that wears Exorcist inspired makeup with a stitched mouth and X over the eye look.
>>154980589>Mighty Eagle Lilith Honestly would have been a great idea (too bad we've seen already how she looks and Viv is allergic to putting weight on characters) if she actually had developed a bit of a mom bod. Definitely would have worked for washed up Lilith.
>>154980701>>154980723>>154980801What if Loona had a crush on him?
>>154980963Sounds pretty peak.
>>154980646>>154980690>>154980701>>154980723Hmm, I think it’d depend who in Hell is putting the hit on Cain? If it’s post-S3, it’d depend on whether Lute/Eve and Zombie Adam end up in heaven or hell by the end of that season. But then… why would they put a hit on him? Especially Knowing the curse?If Cain has been living all this time on earth, I love the idea of him having mellowed out into this chill, zen-like guy who has tried to do good but realised only so much can be fixed and has since found peace. He might even have been numerous historical figures.Maybe someone put a hit on him from hell not knowing who he was, and it’s a surprise reveal to IMP and the audience.He might even be reunited with his family by the end of the crossover:https://youtu.be/srQ6kI6yjx0?is=XYqnL9xRzRDmlMhm
>>154981140I'm picturing him as a band jerk like Adam except prettier and with basically nobody overseeing what he's up to. Living a rockstar lifestyle with groupies and doing petty criminal antisocial stuff on the side but with the angry and violent aspects of his personality toned down over the years. The guy ordering the hit might be doing it for something as banal as Cain stealing his car and totalling it, maybe they don't even know who he really is.
>>154981140Maybe he shows up helping his mother before they find out Adam is alive (technically I guess). Would be cool if he's kinda chill and mellowed out normally but goes full on flesh terminator when his mommy asks him to deal with the hotel crew.
>>154975056Found the source. Fat Adam was indeed the product of a furry vore artist.
>>154981302I can see that if Eve went to hell when she died and so did Cain, living with her hell-sent children in the outskirts of the pentagram, as far as a sinner can go. Cain might be a farmers there, still.
>>15497851350/50 chance it ends early over this
>>154981614Thanks!!!
Just think... if that scene hadn't landed in the lap of a random e621 degenerate Adam would be yet another twink and not the beautiful fat king we know and love... chew on that.
>>154981735maybe there really is a god
>>154981651She looks so fluffy
>>154981735We were so close to having buff Adam though. I'm sorry but I find him being fit under that robe a lot more appealing. God damn it. Oh well.
>>154981644Honestly I'm more going with the idea Cain has the immortal wanderer backstory. Ends up in Hell through IMP shenanigans (basically he's still alive). Finds out what happened and either meets Lute in Hell or is smuggled into Heaven by Abel after they reconcile and meets his mom there.
>>154981853Sorry Chad but in the real world the furry pred gets the girl.
>>154981853I usually imagine buff Adam being how he looked after getting kicked out of the Garden. His progression being kinda skinny dude in Eden. Buff strong guy while surviving on the wild earth with Eve. Chonky boy in heaven from lack of physical demanding activities. Maybe if comes back as a sinner or zombie/undead he'll lose some weight until Lute/Eve fattens him back up. It's gonna be like that family guy bit where Peter Griffin feeds Lois because he likes her BIG.
>>154981894I'm a girl. Please keep the furry pred. Pass it off to the next one.
>>154981989I'll take it
>>154982002The fact that Adam gets cooler dragon designs compared to Lucifer will never not be funny.
>>154981614I find this somewhat disingenuous though. From the initial claim it sounded like they were brainstorming designs and rslather than going for a pinnacle of physical perfection they made him a tubby lardo for a lark. Here the tweet shows that the script called for a scene that lead to an ambiguity in his initial design and this one out of a million solutions to the problem got canonized.
>>154982097There's an additional figure in the pilot. When Charlie looks to the Heaven's side, it's Adam and his second, but then she turns to Lucifer, and there's another dragon-like form above Lucifer... Who the fuck is that?? It doesn't match the other one.
>>154982112So that means I hadn't finalized his form underneath the robe and kind of left it at this guy's discretion for this specific scene. That's how I read it. However, I thought it was fitting that they would make him chubby or whatever because He's eating in the meeting with Charlie
>>154982112This is the scene where he fights Alastor, not the one where he fights Lucifer and gets called out for letting himself go.
>>154982002i'm surprised this doesn't show up in fic much, or at least i haven't seen it yet. it's such a neat concept and visually not hard to take from his design.
>>154982112Exactly. He's fat because it was left up to the discretion of the storyboarder to decide as it wasn't important to the plot. The storyboarder happens to be a vore artist who likes fatties so that's what they drew.
Guys, Adam has always been fat, that's never been a question. It's part of the whole joke. Oh look the first man is a washed up has been who's not as great like he thinks he is, and he has to exaggerate his sexual conquests and achievements, very Mighty Eagle.
>>154982114that's george lucas
>>154982097>>154982166There's just something draconic about him
>>154982191that's more gryphon than dragon imo but just as good.
So do many of us agree that if Lute is in fact Eve, she most likely went to Hell upon her death?Cuz if she was deemed a winner and went to Heaven, I just can’t imagine her having this atonement/psychopathic vengeance mindset since fat has determined her slate was clean. If she’d come in through the back door, a complete and total fraud, yeah I can see it.
>>154982126Pretty much! I bet they gave him that ambigious robe so they can easily shape his poses as many people point out he can seemingly flip man to monster from scene to scene. And yeah getting a beer belly would help reinforce his slovenly dudebro persona.>>154982136Might buy that depending on how production ran. Depending on how writing and storyboard worked they could have easily added new dialogue after the fact if it could add more to the scene like taunting comedy. I know for sure after Joel Juarez improvised some Spanish swearing during an audition viv jumped to the chance to rewrite the dialogue to make Italian sounding Valentino more Latino. Then again it could be the "what I gave your first wife,or your second" situation where what may as well be button pushing taunts get read as literal statements of truth. Same way lucifer was trying to get under adams skin by insinuating he fucked eve rather than just merely giving her the forbidden fruit he was insinuating a meatheaded dudebro who would be getting rips in the gym to impress girls actually let himself get fat and soft being in easy peasy heaven.
>>154982340Nope, I don't. Doesn't make much sense.
>>154982271The design reads more as a kind of dragon to me but that's totally down to personal opinion. I do love it either way
Apparently Lucifer gave them a bowl of durian fruit
>made to eat any thing he could want in the Garden of Eden>got kicked out and forced to work his ass off to farm in a barren wasteland for food>God adds thorns and thistles to some plants to make it even harder to get something to eat>survive like this for literal centuries>eventually die and go to Heaven>can now gorge on unlimited modern slop that his prehistoric body was not equip to handleThe only surprise here is a winner can get fat in Heaven.
>>154982485Adam is a dumbfuck monkey man who probably thinks bigger = better and more powerful.
>>154982418>>154982478i agree that it's super cute and precious yes. he looks like he makes this sound if you disturb him while he's asleep https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgGA3axH1ec
>>154982590Stupid idiot creature that probably feels wonderful to cuddle with...
>>154982523Yep exactly. Finally someone says it. Adam has exactly one brain cell, and Lute holds it most of the time
>>154982685It's one brain cell between them and they take turns holding it
>>154982646>>154982682>ywn get squished by a giant gryphon-dragon guy who thinks he's a normal sized giant human guy as he climbs into your lap to watch tv and beg for snackswhy fucking live
>>154982725Only until you kiss him and then he transforms into a naked ass human man.
>>154982767no i never recovered from watching beauty and the beast and seeing the beast we all actually liked disappear and become that weird human man thing. put him back.
>>154982869You know, it took me getting older to realize that people didn't like the human version of the beast. I was in love with the guy... It's funny how tastes are different. Adam Dragon looks cool though.
>>154982869I liked human Beast and I'm pretty dang furry, ha. Hazbin Adam's death scene is definitely reminiscent of the Beast's
>>154982897like i'm not arguing he's not a decent design in a vacuum but as portrayed it's just so jarring... also the lighting in that scene does him absolutely no favours, why'd they light him from below? he looks so sinister.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBh9oNastqA
Hisone to Masotan Guitarspear AU...
>>154982981Admittedly, yes they could have done better. Plus I've seen a couple of redesigns and oh man, they really bombed it in retrospect.
>>154982936Aren't technically both named Adam? I remember that was the prince's name.
>>154983015NGL he reminds me of DreamWorks Sinbad here.
>>154983036Yeah, the prince's name is Adam. Maybe they chose the name to emphasise that he's a human underneath
>>154983079 that's actually pretty clever
>>154983075God fucking damn it man, now I can't unsee it. Thanks for ruining it!!!!
>>154983169Doesn't Sinbad's "girlfriend"(she's not exactly that) have a similar haircut to Lute or am I imagining things?
>>154983389Honestly it's Abel fault here. Cain would have just said "You got fat" and Adam would have probably laughed and hugged him.
https://x.com/roisin0S/status/2058092123287613444?s=20So Charlie regresses into a sad child, and she's always wanted Lilith's affection, her attention and her affirmation. Lucifer and Charlie, in the show, confirm that Lilith has ALWAYS been this way. This was not something that came abruptly or out of nowhere. ......... How and why do people still cling to the twin wife swap theory?? They literally say that Lilith has always been this way.
>>154977851Lute BEING has so much weird little evidence? Damn.... I never thought of it like that...What does it truly mean... to BE??
>>154984553Shaddupppp I'm already dead. Come on, man. Don't do this to me*Lute being EVE
>>154986134That Cain in the middle?
Seeing a lot of talk that being Eve would ruin Lute's character because they like the thought of Lute being a downtrodden nobody. I'm pretty sure if Lute is Eve then Eve's going to be extremely downtrodden and nobody's putting her in a position where she's respected and honored for being one of the first humans like Adam is. I think that's going to be the point.Also the assumption that Eve would be inherently powerful. What? Adam's only powerful because the powers that be gave him powers. If they don't like you then no powers for you.
>>154986938>Seeing a lot of talk that being Eve would ruin LuteUsually when they say that the reason they give isn't actually what causes them to dislike Lute=Eve but just the fact that it kills their headcanon they've grown super attached to.
>>154986938This
>>154987107I think part of it is as well has having headcanons for Lute they also have headcanons for how Eve 'should' be in this universe: a powerful, idealised being, almost a mother goddess like figure (ignoring the fact that Eve was never a mother goddess; she is a human being). Then they dislike the idea of Lute being put in that mold without first considering if there's a different way to portray Eve.
>>154987160>have headcanons for how Eve 'should' be in this universe: a powerful, idealised being, almost a mother goddess like figureI'd say it varies since I've seen a whole spectrum of Eve headcanons. The only thing they all have in common is being pretty meh and very "other character serving".
>>154987174It depends what purpose the Eve serves. 90% of Flowertunes Eves are just OCs by another name, not serious takes on Eve. I've seen more interesting speculation on her personality from the people who think she might be a Lilith clone despite wifeswap theory being retarded. Then there are some braindead secondaries like that AI song chick who think she's just there to be evil Roo and get in the way of Radioapple (like HUH???)
>>154987227You also forgot Morningstar asskisser Nr1. That one is really baffling to me.
Speaking of the AI song chick this is the worst shit I've ever seen.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O84o6xYhwfc
>>154987272Please just summarize it. I really don't wanna watch that video.
>>154987227I’m genuinely so confused by what the Lucifer/Alastor shippers actually gain from the whole wife-swap theory. If Lilith is simply a bad mother, which is increasingly being spelled out both in canon and outside of it, wouldn’t that already accomplish what they need for the ship?? Why introduce fifteen extra steps where Lilith is actually Eve, but wait, Eve is also big-bad Roo, AND Rosie is secretly the “real” Lilith who was actually the good mother, everyone has swapped identities, etc.? If the objective is to remove Lilith as a sympathetic romantic/familial obstacle for Lucifer, canon appears perfectly capable of doing that right now... Can someone genuinely explain what the wife swap adds here because I cannot follow the necessity LMAO.
>>154987309TLDR dreadful AI music video about Roo, who is Eve, reminiscing on her affair with Lucifer (post eden?) and having baby Cain with him. Lilith is there as a villain who removes Lucifer's memories of having fathered Cain. Adam is there to be a cuck.
>>154980963Needs to happen so Lute can mald over having hellhound hybrid grandchildren
What if Cain doesn't know what happens to you when you die and a hypothetical Helluva Boss episode ends on a bittersweet hopeful note with him wondering whether the existence of demons means his family goes on somewhere out there
>>154987331Usually wife- swap isn't popular with Lucifer/Alastor shippers. Quite the opposite. They genuinely hope it's not a thing because Lilith being a bitch helps their ship yet despite that they don't really know about Lute=Eve because it's not related to RA shittery. People who really hope wife-swap is real are Lilith "feminists" or Lucilith fans. Both basically want Lilith to be the perfect mother/woman/wife and want all the dubious evil stuff to be big bad Eve's fault (not super misogynistic at all). Basically if Lilith has any negative traits these types will riot. God forbid you might imply she's not the best mom ever.
>>154987346Wow. Really original. Like it's not the premise of fifteen thousand fanfics. Really love when Lucifer/Lilith glazers literally treat Eve as a disposable womb and somehow try to paint it as a good thing.
>>154987375Cain was probably slamming mad succubus pussy (maybe also Incubus bussy) while wandering earth. Since Viv probably didn't want him fucking normal humans.
>>154987429This one's a Lilith hater who ships Radioapple. Whether Roo or Lilith is the bigger Radioapple homewrecker depends on the individual video but they've done both.
>>154987420I've met two radiapple crazies who truly truly believe, like almost what's-his-face levels, the wife swap theory. Hence my confusion
>>154987331Radioapple is such an egregious example of lab manufactured yaoi slop that one evil gatecrashing woman isn't enough for them. They need more. Where more don't exist then by gum they'll make more
>>154987452You probably ran into some specific nutjobs. Generally RA fans wants Lilith to be a complete bitch. Most of them don't subscribe to wifeswap or care about Eve.
>>154987446Why add another woman homewrecker? Just focus on one and make her the ultimate bitch. RA fans are so fucking stupid.
>>154987496I’m a would-be Radiapple fan. I was SO excited to finally see Lucifer and Alastor interact, but then it happened and I was just... confused?? They immediately started behaving like they already had this established rivalry so I had a hard time actually buying into it. From Lucifer I could understand, but Alastor? Why? It really did feel like the writers went, “Okay, put these two in a room together. They hate each other now. Make them fight. Grrr.” I WANT to enjoy the dynamic because I think there's potential there, but I need some actual foundation for the hostility before I can get fully invested in it. It's just... not real good as people make it out to be.
>>154987516Radioapple fans are a marvel in many ways not least because they all seem to have time travelled back to the yaoi shipping culture of like 2009
>>154987516Something about Alastor makes people fight like dogs. Radioapple are like old school catty misogynistic yaoi fans, Radiostatic is the modern breed of passive aggressive superiority complex yaoi fan full of infighting and Charlastor has a persecution complex and is notably the only ship Viv vocally hates because they harassed her. There are no non-Alastor ships in this fandom as bad as any of the above.
>>154987516I'm too retarded for this...>Lilith = Lilith, a bad mom. Eve is doing fuck all. They get their precious ship because the REAL LILITH is bad to Charlie and Lucifer.>Lilith = Eve = who is corrupted with Roo, and the REAL Lilith is actually ROSIE and she's a good mom/wife who Lucifer misses and would get back together with.One gives you the radioapple. why tf do the yaoi ppl want the second one for????
>>154987577No but see what if both of them could be bad and Alastor could save Lucifer from both of them
Lute 'fans' be like noooo please don't give her tons of agency and backstory and complexity and give her several season of character focus you'll ruin the version of her I made in my head
>>154987676Pretty sure the "Lute fans" you are describing are part of the Lute Larpers community. Probably not all of them but definitely a significant bunch.
>>154987714Lute Larpers (the yuri ones) sure but I see it from some Guitarspear fans and most bafflingly from Guitarspear fans who also want Adam to carry a flame for Eve too. So if you like Adam x Lute and Adam x Eve... why so bothered by the idea that Lute and Eve might be one and the same?
At some point I have to wonder why some people are so dedicated to the idea that an unrequited love makes for an inherently better and more mature story than a requited one... I have to assume it's people who've never been in a real relationship
>>154987577RA fans are really dumb. You'd think they'd encourage GuitarQueen because it gives Lucifer another reason to be with his "true love" Alastor because Lilith tainted herself by committing hetslop with Adam. Like these morons don't even want to stack advantages for their ship.
>>154987726Yeah, I don't get that either? They want him to actively cuck her? I guess? Can you imagine him fucking her and he's thinking about his ex-wife? Yikes!
>>154987726Honestly when it comes to GuitarSpear fans that hate Lute=Eve I usually see the same symptoms of Flowertunes fans that hate Lute. Basically people who believe Eve "fixed" Adam and spending time without her and with Lute caused him to spiral down Vs people who believe Eve hated Adam and cheated on him constantly and that Lute is finally the woman perfect for him unlike those sluts Lilith and Eve. Both are gonna have a brain aneurysm when Lute turns out to be Eve.
>>154987754Honestly would be hilarious if Adam actually avoided trying anything romantic with Lute because she reminded him too much of his ex wife Eve(Lute is actually Eve but he just thinks he's projecting) and he felt it was unfair to her if he tried a relationship with her only to mimic his old one with Eve because he couldn't move on.
>>154987754They watched Steven Universe and thought whatever was going on between Pearl and Rose and Greg was the height of storytelling sophistication.
>>154987783I would very much love this.
>>154987799Meanwhile Pearl's whole thing was getting OVER Rose. Fucking idiots.
the virgin Twitter users replying to Looty's tweets with unwanted input and getting told off vs the chad Bugcuck spewing his schizophrenic takes all over the /co/ thread where she has to look at them
>>154987975Wait... what? So who's the winner in this.
>>154987979Nobody wins in this
>>154987975>the virgin Twitter users replying to Looty's tweets with unwanted input and getting told off Examples?
>>154987975nah, i hide the posts.
>>154987984just look at my tweets ig.i did have a radiapple person go off about me not liking Lilith/Eve/Rosie. that was fun
>>154987990Why are RA fans so retarded? Like what causes this?
>>154987998I don't know, that's what I want to know! I would assume Lilith being all but confirmed to be a bad mom would be a win for them, but ??? Your guess is as good as mine.
Me when Looty screencap my post for twitter
>>154988002Winner winner winner. I love. You smart person you,
>>154988002Same.
you're all smarties. big brained. good takes.
>>154988001Yeah they're really weird. It's like they don't wanna stack every credible advantage in their corner. Still remember the Lilith being homophobic comic. Funniest thing ever.
>>154988028Do we think Eve and Lilith, like Adam, are straight?
>>154988007>>154988021
>>154988038Adam and Eve definitely because Viv doesn't want to mess with religious folks (see Abel and Adam straight reveal). Lilith not so sure. She not really that important and is basically a bible fanfiction character so her being bi or pan won't ruffle many feathers. Then again it might have the Lucifer effect where Viv says he's pan but he's only been in a straight relationship with a woman. So if Lilith is straight or bi it's pretty much irrelevant
>>154988055I think this makes the most sense.
>>154987107>>154987676>>154987714a lot of their arguments seem to boil down to 'lute built her whole identity around adam so now with adam gone lute can discover who she REALLY is!!' but you never see them elaborate on who that lute is beyond who she's orbiting instead of adam or generic headcanons that could apply to any vaguely mean girl character in any media ever, funny that. as for why radioapple fans might hate guitarqueen you're all forgetting that Adam Bad, remember? he's not allowed to love or be loved by anyone, even by another villain in this scenario.
>>154988178>as for why radioapple fans might hate guitarqueen you're all forgetting that Adam Bad, remember? he's not allowed to love or be loved by anyone, even by another villain in this scenarioBut it literally gives RA fans the best ammunition for making Lilith unworthy of Lucifer. Her chilling with Adam or being like Adam is a goldmine for Lucifer abuse so he can be saved by Alastor.
>>154988201nope, performatively hating adam and making sure he's established as the sole entity responsible for everything wrong with heaven, hell and even earth takes priority over all others things. also slightly more reasonably they probably don't want to get slammed for making lilith go back to her abuser OR they think that having a wife leave her husband for another man is always an indictment against the og husband and therefore that would imply lucifer wasn't a good husband and you can't have that!
>>154988235Idk I'd seen some of them make her the most vile woman in existence or be homophobic towards Charlie because she's in a lesbian relationship with Vaggie. Feel like they already crossed some extreme lines.
>>154988256they do??? fuck i got nothing then. at least the most annoying adam stans are consistent in their annoyances.
>>154982340I'm open to the theory, but don't have much to say about it on account of Eve being an even bigger cipher than Lute. Eve's been mentioned or implied what? Twice in the entire show. Lute being her to me is a case of "sure, whatever lets go with that" on account of knowing nothing about Eve.
>>154988445If Lute is Eve then we suddenly know an awful lot about Eve and her way of thinking, plus the story of Eve becomes retroactively entwined with the entire show across all its seasons which I think would be fitting for the basic premise. That's why I think they'll do it. Why blow a character as juicy as Eve on lategame appearances only?
>>154988556Cont. "That's why I think they'll do it" is kind of the wrong phrase. It's more like, that's why I think it's what they've already done and have been planning for ever since Lute first appeared.
>>154988556>Why blow a character as juicy as Eve on lategame appearances only?Exactly. If she's not Lute then Eve will have the build up of a wet fart. She's mentioned twice in S1 and zero times in S2. But if she's Lute then you have all her shit and fucking "Gravity" to extrapolate her character.
>>154988632They're hiding her in plain sight. They're relying on the audience assuming she's Adams's 'third time's the charm' to hide that she's Eve when she has all the hallmarks of Adam's designated companion and helper.
>>154988713>They're hiding her in plain sight.While they're obviously being subtle they ain't exactly hiding the fact she's Eve like sensitive state information. It's just people are ignoring the obvious signs in favour of chicanery.
>>154988713I'd go so far to say there's no way they can do Eve justice and make her a satisfying character if she's not Lute at this point. Lute could still be compelling without being Eve but I'd prefer that she is.
>>154988967If she really isn't Eve, then I'm extremely curious as to why Jessica engaged with the theory at all. The only thing I can come up with is that she's a clone of Eve, but then they really have to cram in Eve herself, make us care about her, etc etc.
>>154976631Which one is which?
>>154989430look at onion from steven universe then imagine him as the onceler and you have your answer.
>>154989487Every male in Vivzie media is a pornographic fetish design.
>>154989507nobody is horny for prick.
>>154989554Not true. I once saw a pooner who projects their relationship on Prick and Hatchet with themself as Hatchet and their partner as Prick. For some ungodly reason. At least it's unique.
>>154989389Because she has some level of involvement with eve's corruption My theory is that Adam was distracted with her when Lucifer and Lilith showed up, with explains his absence in the prologue
>>154989600That's retarded.
>>154976285This show is highly satanic because it has DEMONS and HOMERSEXUALS
>>154989611Care to elaborate?
>>154989600If Lute's not Eve there's no way she existed during the Eden days
>>154989389>>154989600>>154989635sudden series genre shift to a stable timeloop where someone decides to go back in time to figure out who distracted adam...
>>154989635Exactly what the other person said. If she's note Eve, then she wasn't alive for that long.
>>1549896655 seasons in and is discovered Emily planned it all from the future
>>154989635>>154989717It doesn't matter because nearly the entire talk like they're in their mid-late 30s
>>154989761Talk and behave*
>>154989761??
>>154989761Yeah they do but that's like saying Blitzo must have been around when Hell was made
>>154989761What does that matter though? How they talk and act?
>>154989761Isn't Adam supposed to be in his 40s physically and mentally?
>>154990527His voice actor headcanons this, yes. Sounds more like a state of mind though, not literally.
>>154989629No. (Not OP though)
Lute looking cute
>>154991242Careful, she bites!
>>154991388Definitely. She probably left chomp marks all over Adam's neck and chest.
All the straight women in Vivs show's like bad boys, or at least express kind of fondness for them. Millie with Striker (at first) and Chaz if you want to count him, Niffty, even Katie Killoy.Lute/Eve and Adam, anyone?
>>154991526Duh
>>154991242His chihuahua gets to sit in the special box with him
>>154991563Don't be disrespectful: that's his wife
When Adam figures out who she is he'll stop calling her dangertits and start calling her something really fucking stupidLike ribwich
>>154991612Or maybe if he's feeling sweet he'll call her Evie or Ribie. Probably some pussy related thing when he wants to hype her up.
>>154991649Calls her the original pussy
>>154991573The things she did to him.
>>154991649I like to think she's still inclined to call him Sir. Maybe even called him Sir when she was first created back in Eden and had to be coaxed to use his name.
>>154991656the first kitten...
>>154991673That's hella what retarded. Why the fuck would Eve call Adam sir in Eden.
>>154991673... Huh? Why would Eve call Adam "sir" when they were married and human?
>>154991673Feel like the whole sir thing is probably recent. She definitely called him by name or just husband while in the Garden. Probably did develop a cute nickname for him after getting kicked out.
>>154991763>>154991777Like if the angels overcorrected for Lilith and made her a little too subservient at first.
>>154991809Wouldn't really make sense. Even if she was super subservient she would still have called him Adam and not "sir" because of her role as a wife.
>>154991673That doesn't make sense. Frankly, it sounds stupid. And it would give fodder to those who will will insist Lute is a grooming victim.
>>154991885Who's ready for the new round of grooming accusations against Adam to drop?
>>154991906I mean it's inevitable but Adam glazers will probably push back even harder the moment they have proof Eve loves Adam ( because she was actually Lute all this time).
>>154991612>Adam figures outAnon...
>>154991959???
>>154991906When it turns out she's Eve, most of these larpers are going to be upset, of course, but then they're actually going to use her being Eve to emphasize how much of a victim of his she actually is. It would be very easy to soon the narrative, being that Eve historically is in fact Adam's servant, made to be dependent on him, she's often made lesser, that's her whole thing... They're going to double down and hate on the ship even more. I hate to say it, but it's not illogical. That IS kind of fucked up. Though I have seen people go so far as to say that they find it atrocious or gross that she's still serving him after all this time. They feel like since she was made for this purpose, that's all she knows. But I don't know, for some reason it's okay if she's a recent creation?
>>154991975I think they're implying that he already knows. It's still kind of in the air. Whether Adam actually knew her identity or not. There's a reason they've wanted to put that smile when he died. He might have figured it out in that moment. We don't know yet. And then of course what the hallucination said to Lute: " you don't think I didn't already know?" - personally, that makes it sound like she's wanted him to know, otherwise she would not be asking that question, meaning she hid it from him.
>>154991984I think the fact that Adam didn't ask for her to be made like that absolves him of all the blame there. Literally not his fault at all.
>>154992010No, I wouldn't say it's his fault.. but it doesn't matter, I don't think in any iteration he asks her to be created. Or maybe in some apocryphal texts, after he rejects that first unnamed woman (not Lilith) but even then, he doesn't ask her to be made from his flesh, he just wants a wife. It doesn't matter though because, regardless of whether or not she's made of him, angel/god make her subservient to him specifically.
>>154992054If Eve professes to love Adam and wants to be faithful to him then who are we to say her feelings are wrong and she shouldn't want what she wants?
>>154991984Eh if she likes her job it's fine I guess. Even if it's bizarre that she was made like a bot.
>>154992000Exactly. I feel like maybe he figured it out last moment. Maybe the way she was crying when he was dying from his stabs was the exact same when he died of old age (I think he probably died first because he was slightly older).
>>154992097>>154992096Yep, you know how people like this be and like I said, there is logic to that. Does she really have a choice to begin with if she was programmed to love this guy? I think it makes for a very interesting discussion. Me personally, I would love for her to get over him. I'm not really a die-hard fan of the ship. However I don't believe to the extreme that she has zero agency don't get me wrong, a story where she realizes that he was abusive and she gets over him, that she doesn't need him to exist is interesting.. except the show is not really painting it that way. And the crew love this shit, so they're painting it in a more positive light. I don't think they're going that route.
>>154992096Honestly the thing is even if they go with the apple giving free will or she already had said free will she still chose to be with Adam. If she gained free will from the apple but still chose Adam then she must have truly loved him.
>>154992153She didn't choose him though? What exactly was she supposed to do after she was banished?
>>154992128I agree that I don't think they're going that route. In fact I don't think her relation to Adam is the issue she needs to solve at all. Her issue is the thousands of years of blame she's shouldered for everything that happened to humanity after and her strained thoughts on her own descendants; that's a much bigger thing to tackle and imo arguably a more feminist one because it doesn't reduce her to 'hey was Adam good or bad for me?'I personally think Adam was and is good for her but there shouldn't be a reunion until she's conquered her issues relating to good and evil
>>154992153She was pretty much stuck with him either way.
>>154992193Yes, in this iteration he was definitely good to her because Viv also confirmed that he was the only one who not only showed her this respect and backed her up, he was her support system, but also that they only had each other for a very long time.
>>154992172Not stay with him if she hated him. Again I don't get this idea that Eve had to stay with Adam and had no choice. It literally doesn't make sense unless you have Adam be the king of survival bushcraft and competence. And again this is Lute/Eve not Flowertunes Eve. She capable enough.
>>154992241Which is why he's not and never was her problem, in fact it would appear that a lot of the shitty stuff that's happened to Lute has happened without his knowledge or involvement. She's the antiheroine on her own shitty angsty Hero's Journey, she's the one with demons to slay (figuratively, literally), he's her soft and pretty love interest but she's not going to be able to have her big confession just yet cause she's got shit to do first
>>154992351>he's her soft and pretty love interestoof
>>154992331It doesn't matter which Eve it is, she's not going to have any choice if she's banished. Adam either goes with her or not.
>>154992239Could have went solo anytime if she didn't want to deal with him. She didn't do that. She chose to stay.
>>154992382??
>>154992394Pretty sure that's how you die in the wild.
>>154992394>Any time she wantedNot really. So she's stuck out on Earth: so her choices are to either stick with the only other human being in existence, or go off on her own...? She's the youngest of the three humans, she already has significantly less experience than both Adam and Lilith. Can't fight for shit. That's not really a choice
>>154992391You fucking lost me. Like what is the plot again?
You can flip any argument that Eve never had a choice to say Adam never had a choice but I never see people argue for that
>>154992407>>154992411Ok but that doesn't really account for her genuinely giving a shit about the guy. If he was just the useful muscle and that's it then she wouldn't have mourned him or actually tried being near him in the afterlife.
>>154992441Exactly. Hell you can make the same argument that Lilith also lost any choice after getting dumped into Hell. What if she meet another angel who was better than Lucifer? Now she's stuck with him and has no other choice.
How can we be having debates over whether Lute's feelings for Adam are genuine in the big 26? They spell it out for you. They SING it out for you
>>154992506Idk man. Maybe we're getting a taste of future Lute/Eve Larpers. Basically seeing what's in store for the future.
>>154992441Those aren't equivalent situations. Adam lacking consent in one specific act (his rib being taken) is not the same thing as being created for another person. In a lot of iterations, Adam either asks for a companion, is given the opportunity to reject Lilith / the unnamed first woman, or at least exists first as a complete individual before Eve ever enters the narrative. That already gives him a degree of autonomy Eve is never afforded. Eve’s creation is explicitly relational. She is made from Adam, for Adam, and introduced into the story through his need, his loneliness, his companionship. Adam may not consent to every action taken around him, but he is not ontologically designed as someone else’s answer. Eve is. She does not even get her proper name until after the fruit. Before she took the fruit, he just called her woman. Adam had a name from the beginning. He absolutely has more narrative agency. He gets to be the original subject. Eve begins as the solution to him.
>>154992506Yes, they are genuine. Of course they're going to be genuine. If she was made specifically with that function in mind, then what she feels is real. The discussion goes beyond that. If she was made specifically to love Adam, regardless if she's even not, does she as an individual actually have a choice? Doesn't really sound like it.
>>154986938> Seeing a lot of talk that being Eve would ruin Lute's character because they like the thought of Lute being a downtrodden nobody.Thank you for someone finally talking about this.What is this obsession with making Lute this heaven equivalent of Blitzo, where they think all of heaven just hates and disrespects this one angel for… some reason?Like, Adam wasn’t respected much either. Maybe the reason Both of them aren’t respected is both they’re fucking obnoxious, unpleasant, hateful pricks? “Aww, they’re refusing to girlboss my genocidal maniac waifu!” Gimme a break!
>>154992535i think viv is on record liking (or even saying herself) a tweet about how eve is the only true victim in the garden of eden, for what it's worth.
>>154992535>>154992544Well absolutely true, Viv is not going to go into these subjects. She loves Adam, that's that. With how much support the couple has, meaning from the staff, they're bound to be endgame. Not that a story where she discovers that he should not be her everything isn't interesting, but it's definitely not the story they're going to tell here.
>>154992558Yes, I have that interview. She says she wants to explore the Adam and Eve story through a critical lens, in a female gaze way. She said she always thought it was fucked up how the woman is always blamed for the sin of the fruit. I know she has liked a post where Eve is angry and should kill people with hammers. She might have liked something like that, but if so I don't remember at this time.
>>154992544This argument only works up until she eats the apple though.
>>154992602Again, at that point, even if she disliked him, she doesn't have a choice. She's either out on the wilderness on her own, or she's with Adam.
>>154992610And she's still in love with him by the time she's Lute and she has hundreds of thousands more souls to interact with.
>>154992644What the hell are you talking about.
>>154992610But she doesn't dislike him. Like if Lute complained about Adam your point would make sense but she doesn't. She literally constantly cries over the guy being gone. Wants revenge for him. Has hallucinations of him because she misses him so much and was almost humping his hallucination in Gravity.
>>154992648I'm saying that with the magic lack of free will out of the way, and the forced sticking together for survival out of the way, she still loves him. I'm struggling to see how you could argue that the current day Lute is not loving him out of her own free choice.
>>154992715I'm not saying Lute doesn't like him currently?? I'm not even saying she didn't like him. I'm talking in hypothetical terms. I was pointing to the fact that Eve didn't have a choice regardless at that time. Not like how some people want to believe.
I wasn't expecting the new breed of Lute larper to arrive this early but damn here we are.
>>154992729I'm not arguing that Lute doesn't like him. I'm asking, if she was programmed with the purpose of loving him, does she actually have agency? She could love him all she wants, obviously she's going to, that's what she was made for, and those feelings are very much real to her person, But does someone like her actually have a choice in that sense, if she was already programmed with that in mind? I don't think so. I'm not saying it as an argument against the ship. I don't think that's what Viv is trying to tackle. I'm pretty sure they're going to be end game.
>>154992741Dude you are getting into conundrums of philosophy. We ain't got enough info on what went down in show Eden for that level of discussion. Maybe like in a year or two.
>>154992771And I'm saying that if she was made without true agency, and eating the apple somehow broke that, then it no longer applies.
>>154992783Bro, I wasn't even arguing at for or against it, I was just raising questions because that's what the earlier posts were talking about. I don't really care either way. I'm also not saying that what canon is portraying. It's very clear that's not what they're doing, and that's not the message they're conveying. So people who say that she was groomed or whatever are very clearly wrong.
>>154992749And this is my Scooby-Doo villain mask moment: it's Looty lmao. I am Schrodinger's Lute fan,
Got it.Abel puts the hit out on Cain in the crossover.If Abel follows Lute’s plans in S3 and ends up a fallen angel in Hell, bro is going to spiral and crash the fuck out. At his lowest, I can see him going to IMP to put out a hit on the one motherfucker he blames for his whole situation from the start.
>>154992849Abel would not have the stones
I swear there's this fascinating trend of portraying being in love and prioritising the one you love as this crippling character flaw more and more often. That can't mean anything good for society
>>154992832But no yeah, it's pretty obvious they're going to be endgame. I'm not saying she doesn't love him or anything. Clearly she does.
>>154992849> Abel at the end of S3. Just replace ‘lost toy’ with ‘fallen angel.’
>>154992832I knew it was you lmao. I said it because it's your kryptonite.
>>154992862I mean, in this specific instance, to be fair, if you go out on a war path/suicide mission, I would say yes, you need some serious help. But I think I get what you're saying. I do know that nowadays, prioritizing your romantic relationships, married or not, is apparently a no-go and you're supposed to treat all relationships, friendship/platontic/romantic the same. It's fucking weird
>>154992878I like to discuss and look at all viewpoints. The larpers aren't talking baselessly, the problem is, they're assuming that narrative is Canon. It's not. It's great for fan fiction and exploring her as a character, but it's very clearly not what they're doing here. So to think that she is going to be portrayed as his abuse victim or a grooming victim by Adam.. That's not happening. Also because they don't portray Adam in that way. So I don't know where they're getting that it's canon or whatever. There would have been many ways to show that.
>>154992909"People" really want Adam to be abusive/grooming towards Lute or Eve. Lute being Eve allows them to kill two birds with one stone and have the longest abuse storyline in history despite it making zero sense and being a byproduct of their mental illness.
>>154992960I'm honestly dreading it because they will use that, (I can see how,) while ignoring everything else and continue dunking on Lute and her agency. But history will repeat itself as it always has. It happened with Lucifer. It's going to happen with her too.
>>154992983>It happened with LuciferWhat happened with Lucifer?
>>154992878>I said it because it's your kryptonite.I need to manage my Kryptonite better
>>154993000People thought pilot Lucifer was this completely different character even though he... Didn't even say anything, he was just Aura farming. So there was a fandom version of Lucifer that had nothing to do with the real Lucifer. So when we got the actual Lucifer, people claimed it was a retcon and shit, even though Viv herself confirmed that he was planned to always be this way (which, admittedly I myself doubt but whatever). Now you don't really hear from those guys anymore. I feel like it's going to be a very similar situation with Lute if she turns out to be Eve
>>154993038My comfort in all this is that the fandom Eve will eventually dissipate. I can't stand seeing fandom versions of Eve anymore lol
>>154993002I promise not to use the L word again except in extreme situations like if you started preaching about Fallenwings.
>>154993053Yeah most fandom Eve's really suck or are just copy characters.
>>154993064Put me down like a dog if I ever truly ship Vaggie/Lute in a very unironic way. Don't get me wrong, I love dark and twisted dynamics. But this just ain't it.Although--- (is shot)
>>154993077There's this red-haired version of Eve that I really like, it's at least unique... But it definitely does not give me Lute vibes.
>>154993125Haven't really seen any red hair Eve. Usually they make her blonde or have brown hair like Adam. And pre S2 dark hair Eve(usually a combo with her being black/dark skinned).
>>154993231This person has/had a whole AU about it. Eve took Adam's place, Vaggie takes Lute's place etc
>>154992856Hmm, he might… up until about 20 minutes after he’s put up the hit.> “OH GOD WHAT HAVE I DONE?!!”Later, when he goes to Earth to try and stop it.> Cain: (laughing) “Told ya he ain’t got the balls!”
>>154993275You know, this is actually what I would expect Lilith to look like, being that they're both equals, meaning same height, but different features. Plus the red hair. She's just as hairy and stocky as he is.Rib Eve should be a a shorty with the same skin and hair color as Adam. That's just me though.
>>154993098Looty do you remember the Lute ship tournament? Rosie X Lute is dominating Lute X Lilith (which is really funny when you realise it's actually Lilith X Eve except it's not weird AF because they don't look like literal twins).
>>154993275>Eve took Adam's placeHuh?
>>154993303I don't usually check in those things. I don't even know what's the point of them exactly. But if so, that's fucking hilarious.
>>154993314Yeah, she's the head of the army in the AU the artist did. They did a lot of screenshot redraws.
>>154993335So Vaggie is lusting after Eve pussy?
>>154993415If I recall correctly, the artist said she envisions their relationship more like an older sister type thing
>>154993394Not a bad design!And damn, Lute/Eve went up a couple bra sizes post reveal, huh?
>>154993792a cat letting you touch their belly is a sign of absolute trust... this adam loves this lute so much...
>>154993882This Lute wants to feed her Adam
>>154993452That's where she stores her power. After acquiring more for her revenge she went up a cup size.
>>154993989my parents cat went through a brief phase where she'd bring back rodents half-paralysed with near surgical precision so they're still alive for them to find. adam you could have it so much worse, be grateful they're dead and praise that good killer.
>>154994145My cat's an indoor cat so she only hunts candy wrappers but if you're a candy wrapper then watch out cause she'll fucking get you!!
>>154994432
>>154994432it's probably not in character for lute to do this but i really hope they use hallucination adam for stupid sight gags just like this next season.
>>154994172i think this perfectly sums up the guitarspear dynamic, mostly in how people who have cats get it and people who have no experience with cats call it abusive.
>>154993283By the end of the crossover, the Eden family are fully reunited and Abel and Cain share a bunk bed (Cain gets too bunk, natch)
I would love for Lilith to turn out like this, but I don't think Viv is going to go for it: https://x.com/Lasto4ka_444/status/2016966773703397502?s=20
New shipping tourney, this time Adam ships. Guitarspear vs Adamsapple in the first round. I'm noticing a trend.https://x.com/GuitarOnMySpear/status/2087270609759633467
>>154976285I need Fem alastor stat for reference.
>>154994945I'm not sure the regulars here have that.
>>154994907i've noticed that newer shipping polls generally try to place the big ships together early to create at least some semblance of intrigue as opposed to 'most popular ship vs most popular ship' at the end, allowing for slight surprise and community unity in pushing an underdog against one 'big' ship, as well as hopefully reduce fandom nastiness by inflaming big ship tensions. this is probably another reason why fallenwings was up against guitarspear, thanks to the assumption that it was the only lute ship that had a hope of competing with it. fandom politics is kind of fascinating in its pointlessness and i love it.
>>154994982no guitarprincess though so it's a shitty poll and i hate it.
>>154994945I recommend checking the trash thread.
>>154995030Half the ships there are fucking meme ships. We have Adam X Adam and Adam X Spamton
So Hot Topic changed the description of their Radioapple shirt and kickstarted a huge all out Twitter drama war between Radioapple, Radiostatic and Charlastor. But wait, it turns out they did it because of an email campaign organized by... Adamsapple fans, of all things. Dude, that horse has bolted, it's fucking dead, glue even, they're mincing it to cat food as we speak, Radioapple is the last thing that's gonna get you
>>154994857Honestly the only debatable thing here is the "young" part. Lilith might look amazing for her age but she's technically a hag. She's incredibly old.
>>154995238What?
>>154995238were it not for their near monopoly on bottom adam content i would have adamsapple removed from this fanbase.
>>154995283Only the finest news and gossip for you fresh from the Twitter trenches.
>>154994907Surprisingly high numbers for Adamsapple. Really weird when you consider how dogshit the ship actually is.
>>154995293Just remove it regardless. If another male angel shows up he'd probably have ten times the chemistry with Adam that Adamsapple fans hallucinate their ship having.
>>154995283A group of Adamsapple fans organized an email campaign to get Hot Topic to change the description of a Alastor and Lucifer shirt they were selling because it implied shipping. Radioapple fans mistakenly assumed it was because of Radiostatic fans and started a ship war.
>>154995303i'd argue that lucifer being one of the two male characters adam has any interaction with helps what with actually having a canon dynamic to work with, but adam/alastor is currently losing to adamcest, which i assume is shipping a past self (eden era adam) with a future self (modern day adam). ngl i can see the appeal.
>>154995303I mean... Kind of? Don't get me wrong, I don't ship it but it does have a lot of potential. We have had less interaction with Lucifer and Adam. Then with Lucifer and Alastor, and in those few minutes, Lucifer and Adam have a lot more chemistry and fun Dynamics you can really play around with. I don't know how people say the same for radioapple though
>>154995435Greedyguitar no diffs all other m/m options
The tournament is gonna end with straight Adam ship Vs another straight Adam ship. It's gonna be hilarious.
>>154995504I don't know about that, the only two female characters on the right side of the board are Bee and Verosika and they're up against each other in round 1.
>>154995400in the long run they probably did viv a favour because now she can't be accused of queerbaiting (as much) if/when radioapple's not canon.
>>154995557Pretty sure whoever wins there is gonna go farther because of hot woman points. Nobody really gives a shit about Blitzo X Adam or Peter X Adam. There's also Micheal X Adam which is really questionable when we're probably not getting any named biblical angels.
>>154995504If Guitarspear can beat Adamsapple round 1 and Flowertunes round 2 it will win. There's nothing else remotely interesting.
Abel’s life in Hell with his reunited parents summed up:> Lute/Eve: “You’re failing, Abel!”> Zombie Adam: (shaking his head) “What is it with this kid and failure?”> (Abel starts aggressively throwing the rings at the angelic knife prize)
>>154995662I'm kinda curious if GuitarQueen will beat Adamcest or Alastor X Adam.
>>154995724I think it can. Adam is probably the only male character whose straight ships are generally more popular than his gay ones. I don't think it's capable of beating guitarspear, adamsapple or flowertunes.
>>154995724it's more popular than i thought it'd be for sure, considering how hard it is to find content actually focused on it.
>>154995767Pretty sure it has a worldwide community of max 70 fans. That's it. It's just that whenever they feel the call they channel their energy like a spirit bomb from DBZ.
>>154995758Yeah I'm pretty sure it's gonna be Flowertunes Vs GuitarSpear (which is really funny if you're in the know).
>>154994053she should become even more powerful
What if we're wrong about Lute. What do we do then
Abel vs Valentino in S3.https://youtu.be/IGZtiq_ECxg?is=JHXhh7IHxktfHiee
>>154995894*shrugs* We’ll feel bummed about it for a while, then move on.
>>154995894we write fanfic and lose ourselves in our own self-indulgent nonsense that only appeals to increasingly niche interests with each passing chapter as the lord intended.
>>154995894I, Looty, will throw the biggest tantrum just for you guys.. I'm kidding. I'll probably delete my Twitter in shame. Though, I will be extremely curious as to why Jessica liked that tweet and why she has alluded to an identity reveal with Lute. I want to know what her deal is.
>>154995468true, true.
My confession is I genuinely think the show might do Holyblades if they don't go the 'Lute is Eve' route.
>>154995947Do you really think so? I don't see it. And I'm trying to think from a perspective of if they go with the wife swap theory... Abel and Emily seem to be the designated pair, same with Adam and Lute. It would be kind of weird for them to pull a switcheroo, and have Lute go with Abel?
>>154995962Not only that, but the show is clearly establishing Lute and Adam connection. Even if it's one-sided.... It would still be really weird for either of them to turn around and go with someone completely different. I suppose if they're going to go with not Lute being Eve, maybe that spoiler about how Adam and Eve are going to be this time. Toxic couple is referring to zombie Adams and Roo/Eve controlling him? And then maybe Lute has to save him or something?
>>154995962My gut tells me they're going to become very important to each other. A familial relationship is one explanation. If they're not mother and son then well, maybe it's another kind of relationship.
>>154995947Viv not liking any romantic art of the two tells me Holyblades ain't ever happening. Even if Lute is not Eve and Viv just thinks it's gross for Abel to be dating a sorta Stepmom equivalent.
>>154995962And it really begs the question what the real direction is for Lute if she’s not Eve and they’re doing wife swap or Roo!Eve (I know they’re not instead).
>>154996000Maybe she sees Adam Head over heels with Eve, and she sees how obsessive he is, and it kind of makes her realize how obsessive she herself has been with Adam, and sees how.. toxic and self -destructive. It is? So she severs that connection, she moves on, goes with Abel. I don't know, I'm spitballing
>>154996007Can you really blame her? I feel like this wouldn't really be an issue if he was literally not Adam's son. It's just weird.
decided to check out bluesky for takes and there's some rancid reads of lute and adam's relationship in there but there's also some really hot dom lute/sub adam cosplayers posting to advertise their nsfw patreons so overall a mixed bag so far. i also went checking for lute eve posts and found an account that just posts the same charles II quote except slightly differently each time so that's fun.
>>154996052Well don't leave us fucking hanging. Which Charles II quote is it?????
>>154996069Alas... this wretched king did hear a lute played this eve, and Genesis Anna—my salvation—did sit beside me in quiet grace... pray tell, can such tender notes yet reach the heavens for one so undeserving? In my weakness, I humbly beseech God's ear...
>>154996037Honestly it's fucking weird and what even more insane is Holyblades fans who try to pretend it isn't weird or creepy at all. Like if Lute=Eve happens I'll have more respect for Abel X Lute/Eve incest shippers because they actually own it. At least those fucks are honest about liking the idea of Abel sucking on his mom's tits while he's inside the hole that birthed him.
>>154996088The Merry Monarch himself was a Lute-Eve truther
>>154996118It would work for me if they wanted to go with the route of Adam having been this physically or sexually abusive guy who put her through hell and if maybe she started getting feelings for Abel after a certain amount of time because I assume you don't get over your abuser dying, especially if you think you're in love with him. I've seen that sort of thing being well executed The problem is... That's literally not what is happening here. She very clearly loved Adam, Adam did not abuse her, they were really good friends, she's not even finished morning, literally her character Arc is set into motion specifically because of her revenge over the death of the guy she loves. Why would she get with his son right now? That's not even adding the layer of her potentially being Eve, or how. Regardless, the Creator herself has liked images where they are very much in a family dynamic
Adam's ghost is typing all the posts pearl clutching over Holyblades ITT by the way.
>>154996164Adams corpse is rolling right now
>>154996123he's got almost 4000 posts of just this, looty needs to step up the game to match.
>>154996221Wait this is an actual Twitter user?? You guys got a link?? A fellow Lute-Eve truther? Hell yeah. With my luck they probably blocked me. I'm an obnoxious cunt
>>154996164Are there any pearl clutching Holyblades posts? That would imply people actually take Holyblades seriously which is definitely not the case.
>>154996281I've been thinking about making one myself and posting it on my account. But I don't think I want to yuck anyone's yum...
>>154996239no it's just a bluesky gimmick poster posting that passage over and over again. not a real truther sorry to say.
>>154996161i don't care about people denying the romantic aspects of guitarspear (especially since it either never manifested or was one-sided) but people denying that adam and lute were at least friends confuses me as much as it confused them watching s02e02 and realising lute was actually upset about his death.
>>154996293Honestly I just recommend leaving them alone. Best realistic case scenario for them is the ship never happening. Worst realistic case scenario is their ship becoming mother-son incest.
>>154996391Yeah that's fair. >>154996377I'm not convinced that they're that media illiterate. At least I hope not?
Ya see, this is the problem, looking at these comments. We know too much, analysed too much, noticed things that we just can’t unnotice. I just struggle to see any other route at the moment for her character that’ll be as satisfying as her being Eve.Sure, she could be just a random angel who fell in love with Adam. It’s possible, but… I dunno, would that still land as well?And yeah, then we have to introduce Eve, build her up, humanise her, etc It’s just there’s only so much runtime to get that done with an already packed cast. And here you have Lyte doing everything fans want Eve to do.It’s just… I’m 90% convinced, but if she’s not… then what *is* her deal? Her sympathetic reason for hating sinners if she’s just a creation from 7 years ago? Why does she seldom get any merch if she’s being built up as a major villain? If she’s not Eve, then what a waste of an opportunity.
>>154996558The only other explanation I would accept is that if she's a clone of Eve or, in some crazy turn of events, she's Saint Michael LOL
>>154996430you'd be amazed, especially when those takes come from people who are clearly literate in other media but when it comes to adam and lute their brains just fall out. like that single scene in s01s06 reveals so much about their relationship if you think, for even a second, about the implication of lute feeling comfortable enough with adam to grab and scold him IN PUBLIC, and the only thing he complains about is being shushed even though they took the time to animate that he rubs his neck in discomfort after.
>>154996620Sure, okay, but then… she’s a clone of Eve. What would they do with that? Like, with her being Eve, I completely get the direction they’re going.
>>154996696Literally everything we would have expected from the real Eve, and then that way the real Eve is Roo or Lilith or whatever the fuck WifeSwap says. I think it's very cluttered and redundant and stupid, but I would accept the explanation. In some texts. There is another unnamed woman, that is not Lilith, that was banished from the garden. If Viv gave the impression she didn't more research on the sort of thing, I would definitely believe Lute is based off of her.
Here's the Fem! Alastor for my friend. Enjoy.
>>154995894Kill demons. It's what she and Adam would've wanted.
hold me tight or don’t…
Adam is a really big guy…
>>154999099For Lute...
>>154999099He's pretty big regardless. He's ridiculously tall when you compare him to a lot of characters.
>>154976965I'm gonna coom
>>154999099
>>155000152Dear god the size difference
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>>154996620>she's Saint Michael LOLElaborate?
>>155001060>St. Michael.>Lute slays Lucifer.
>>155001060>>155001069While going full genderbent on Michael would be interesting and having the whole "beating the everloving shit out of Lucifer" be a modern event instead of an ancient one we definitely know Viv ain't got the courage to do that.
>>155001109No, but we, her rabid fanbase, do. Hell, I'll draw a Male Lute to test design waters. ... After class.
>>155001118>Male Lute Would be funny if Cain shows up and he just looks like a male Lute with brown hair.
>>154995238>It was Spo0kyBoiTVI could've guessed. What a huge fucking whiner. Had a meltdown over Guitarspear and now contacting Hot Topic over a Radioapple shirt, that's pathetic. Enjoy your dead ship.
>>155001142Guitarspear is truly undefeated.
What about her being literally the half of Adam's soul? Maybe he was split in half to be more manageable up in heaven? Still not sure how that would drive Jessica to like that Eve tweet
>>155001196Yeah but that also sounds like an Eve thing. She wasn't just a rib but also a fragment of his soul which they grew into a new one.
>>155001218>guitarspear, flowertunes and adamcest are one and the same
>>155001218I'm pretty sure that there are... I don't know, texts or something that have this as an alternate take on Eve. Where Adams started off as this.... four-legged / two-faced being that God then proceeds split in half, and that's how we get Adam and Eve. So maybe this would make her an Eve. Maybe not necessarily the Genesis Eve/Abel's mom? But I don't know how much research Viv does on this sort of thing
>>155001233Don't get me wrong, I love this as a concept, it remind me of the Eve clone territory. The problem is though, for as cool as that is as an origin, that still makes her fall under "random exorcist #48372636" - And then we're back to the same problem... What's her sympathetic reason for hating sinners? And just because she has an Eve-like origin story, that doesn't make her Eve.. So why would Jessica like the tweet? Why allude to an identity reveal?
>>155001229Oh my god you're actually right. That would make GuitarSpear the ultimate ship. It's literally three ships in one.
Anyone else think it's interesting that once Adam's chest cavity was forcibly opened up Lute started being centred by the narrative? No? Just me?
Adam and Eve could do a cute couples cosplay as an astronaut and a chestburster
>>155002157Fuck… I love this observation!Like, all this can’t just be a coincidence.
Lilith’s first words to Charlie over the phone need to be, “Heyyy Bitch!” Or I don’t want it.
>>155002998Dude, Lute's drenched with rib imagery like blood.
Adam owes me sex
>>155003295Lilith...
>>155003014Honestly Lilith might end up being a victim of pure blandness. It's gonna be really funny if Viv plays it too safe and Lilith ends up being boring while Eve outshines her by actually being a insanely entertaining nutjob (Lute).
>>155003347If she's a Morticia Addams like figure as hinted she'll be a pretty understated character. Not as flashy as Lute's screaming and crawling around.
>>155003394>If she's a Morticia Addams like figureThat's if Viv can actually pull it off.
>>155001142Lol
>>155003823It wasn't Faustisse the one who always said that about Lilith though? I'm pretty sure everything we think we know or have known about Lilith comes from her. And her stuff is not canon anymore
>>155005040Which one is Fautisse?
>>155005276Faustisse ** someone who used to work with Viv. Most of the Lilith information that we currently know comes from them.
>>155005357Are they no longer on speaking terms?
>>155005385No idea, but I do know that they're not working together and they haven't been for a minute. A lot of the information people know about Lilith comes from them, I think they even drew some of the Lilith artwork too. Viv has only said that she had Lady Gaga in mind for her voice, that she's a big mystery and when it came to answering the question of Charlie's parents, she declined to answer. Literally everything else: her being like Morticia, graceful, regal, etc etc. All that comes from Faustisse. And then the only images that I'm aware of that Viv drew was the one where Lilith has those different bangs, and with the red eyes.
>>155005537They left right before 824 picked up the show. They drew all the Lilith pictures where she's worry that multicolored cloak. And the image where she has her name spelled with two L's was from Viv. They've also Drew another one where she looks pretty ominous... That's why I keep thinking that Lilith will be a villain in the show or at least morally gray, leaning more towards the antagonistic side
>>155005553*She not they. Viv Drew the ones where Lilith looks evil. It's just based off of that alone, it looks like Viv might have always planned Lilith to basically be a well-written Stella. But who knows
>>155005537>>155005553>>155005567Huh
>>155005589What
Viv has both mommy and daddy issues: if her characters are a sweet mother, then she's dead or, is she's still alive, then she's a bitch. Looking at history... I'm pretty certain Lilith is going to be more on the antagonistic side. I hope so
>>155005640Also, being that apparently originally Lucifer was going to be kind of a jerk to Charlie originally, but now he's being all all sweet uvu baby try hard dad... I assume she won't have both parents like that. Lilith is going to have to be the jerk.
>>155005640viv really likes the idea of loving, helpful parents but doesn't know how to keep the stakes without lobotomizing them, i expect Lillith to be the samedid charlie really have to be the princess of hell for the premise to work?
>>155004045>Adamsapples mad that their ship is never becoming canon so they have to ruin everyone’s fun.
>>155005683The screenshots have been shared before but apparently Charlie's whole thing was that she wasn't really supposed to exist and it had something to do with evil/roo, which is why Charlie is actually very pure of heart. I don't know if that has carried over into the series proper, but apparently that was the idea back in the pilot. And then with Viv declining to answer regarding Charlie's parents, it makes me believe that Charlie is not Lilith's daughter. She actually might be Roo's. I'd be surprised if they go with the rod of her having groomed/ raped Lucifer. Or maybe live with and Lucifer made a deal with Evil so they could conceive Charlie, being that Lilith and most of her myths can't have children.
>>155005596Nothing. Just having the slow realization that the Lilith the fandom expects might not actually exist. Like the people already think this woman will act in a specific way and any deviation from that will invoke pilot retardation.
>>155005786You know, I get that. Viv means well when she says you can ship whatever you want, but it's such a funny final nail to the coffin that she makes Adams straight, yet she's still keeps liking Lucifer/Adam stuff, meaning she herself enjoys the ship but LOL it'll never come to fruition. It almost seems like she's mocking. But what do I know
>>155005786They got BTFO by GuitarSpear. They're basically dead at this point.
>>155005805Oh I see. I thought you were asking a question. You meant it in a more contemplative manner.. Yeah that's how I feel about the fandom version of Eve. It she simply might not have existed, but the fandom is so attached to these old leaks which aren't even credible to begin with, and they came from someone who was not a writer in the show, so they most likely did not have the information correct either.. I'm curious as to what's going to happen because a lot of it doesn't really match with what we've supposedly come to know. Then you remember as recently as 2 years ago, Viv said that Lilith is a fallen angel... I don't even know how that fits into everything
Why is Abel straight? You’d think Viv would make him pan/bi to cash in on the holygates shippers and fall out boy fans
>>155005831Honestly all external information (basically stuff not showed in the show) regarding Lilith feels like such a convoluted mess. It's very confusing. Like "fallen angel". I'm sorry what? Or how she's supposed to act. Like there's some stuff pointing she might not be the perfect mother but other than that we might unironically know more about Eve than her.
>>155005868I know I keep saying this but I don’t understand her thought process
>>155005868I would think so too, which is why I was extremely shocked that she made both Adam and Abel straight. I respect her more for it. She clearly knows what she wants to do. That or she's really afraid of getting into genuine blasphemy territory. Not sure why
>>155005868Viv might make all important Biblical figures than aren't demonic in nature straight as to not piss off religious people (maybe Amazon asked?). She did make Adam and Abel straight so I assume it's gonna be the same for Eve.
>>155005913I don't think Viv is anywhere near as woke as her fanbase is
>>155005890Talking specifically outside material that does not come from outdated sources... No, we don't really know much about her other than she's mysterious, she's very Queen like. According to Viv, according to Erica, she definitely was not the best mother since she makes Charlie regrets in a scared way which is very not good actually... Apparently her and Lucifer used to love each other very much, Fallen Angel.... I think that's all we really know. With Eve we don't know anything whatsoever. She has never even been mentioned before the series.
>>155005922How coincidental that she gave the same blanket answer for Lute for when it came to her sexuality. For both Adam and her, she said that " it doesn't matter, they can be whatever" - then not long after, she reveals Adam's straight. Mmmmmhmmmm
>>155005968Yup.
>>155005810Definitely doesn't justify organizing an email campaign to Hot Topic though. Imagine being some poor underpaid customer service shmuck and opening up the following email: >"Your team is purposefully coordinating the release of RadioApple Ship-art as merch to appease your own personal interests. Alastor has never been married, and nor is Lucifer divorced. Please do better for your community, and the fans."The actual wording of the email. Like how do you as random Hot Topic employee even respond to this?
>>155006020That is so fucking cringe.
>>155006020>nor is Lucifer divorcedHe ain't? He definitely gives "she's gonna come back" divorced dad vibes. Lilith also not wearing a wedding band in heaven ain't really helping the divorced accusations.
>>155006063Nta but If we're going to get technical about it.... No, I also don't think they are officially divorced. Definitely separated, of course. I do think this was probably Lilith's way of breaking up? Maybe? They just haven't made it official yet. Unless you want to be"m-muh leak" schizo and say that the reason she's not wearing the ring is because she's the Eve doppelganger. The Lilith duck leaving seemed like a good indicator to me that they have broken up previously
>>155006113No leak bullshit here. I 100th percent sure heaven Lilith is just Lilith.
>>155006063The irony that Lute's wearing a 'ring' for her man but Lilith isnt.
>>155006246Same here. It's already been indirectly confirmed by Erica and Viv. People who deny it are seriously coping.
>>155006113charlie says they've split, but in s2 lucifer says he's still married (he thinks). so either lilith's told them two different things, or lucifer's in denial about the marriage troubles. i also wonder if lucifer knows she's in heaven or not.
>>155006397Honestly to me that sounds like they are officially married but separated. That's very much a thing. They split, they didn't divorce. Though. It would be very interesting if they were officially divorced.
>>155006274Lute(especially if she's Eve) is gonna style completely on Lilith. I would be peak poetry if the second woman eclipsed the first and stole all her thunder.
>>155006554Do you guys think Viv is writing it that way on purpose, or is she hoping that Eve/Lute and Guitarspear come across in a bad way?
>>155006566she keeps talking about how cute adam and lute are in the commentary so i'd assume the former.
An interesting plot point to explore in S4: if Lute/Eve’s pursuit of revenge increasingly pointless/senseless the more the story goes on and the more she wins.Let’s say she does get Adam back, and then Cain back, her family reunited, a position of high authority in heaven, say she even kills Lucifer or Vagi like I think she will, etc. At some point, you or one of the characters might feel compelled to ask, “You’ve already won! You’ve got everything you want and more! Why won’t you let it go?”Because her mind cannot comprehend contentment, being happy, etc. she has to see it through to its end game: the destruction of hell through the destruction of humanity.
>>155006629I really don't think she's reuniting with any of her loved ones until she sorts her issues out.
>>155006654Yeah I'm not banking on it either. If indeed, her and Adam are going to become the big bad villains as a couple, then it's most likely going to be with a corrupted. Adam
>>155006699Unless after her big season 4 arc she and Adam become Overlords and immediately launch a turf war against the Vees.
>>155006566I think she likes GuitarSpear and is actually excited for Lute/Eve. I think the issue will be her severely overestimating Lilith and her impact compared to Lute/Eve. In her mind she probably thinks these two will be about equally discussed and have a similar sized impacts. Issue is the fandom will probably lose it's shit the moment Lute/Eve is revealed and the discussions/malding/retcon accusations/drama/looking back at hints surrounding her will completely drown out Lilith's stuff.
>>155006554Mmm, might even extend to the style, too. Not gonna lie, Lute would rock Lilith’s look, from the long hair to the fashion sense.
>>155006764I'll be honest, if indeed all this is true then, I'm surprised because I thought Lilith was her big strong feminist icon... I would expect her to write someone like Eve, meaning with the way her path is currently going, painting her in a bad light. And then it's very interesting that Lute is getting all the feminist themes, from her audition sheet song, to her being called the embodiment of feminine rage, to even getting a voice actress who's very woke... This is all stuff I was expecting for Lilith?
>>155006770Lilith's style is too refined for Lute!Eve. She's more tomboyish
>>155006862She's not tomboyish. Where do people get that impression? Her haircut...?
>>155006876She doesn't bathe.
>>155006876Nah, Lute is a straight tomboy
>>155006921Nah. She's p feminine: wears makeup, fights in heels...
>>155006795>This is all stuff I was expecting for Lilith?This might be a byproduct of Hazbin Lilith not being Mythological Lilith. This obviously applies for all Hazbin mythologically inspired characters (Lucifer, Adam, Eve if she's Lute and Abel) but Lilith kinda suffers because unlike the rest she originally had a lot of more stuff going on. OG Adam was just some dude. OG Eve is literally just woman and that's it. OG Lucifer is just evil guy. OG Abel is just a shepherd but now dead. Hazbin kinda adds more to them ( if you like the changes or not is debatable but there's definitely something going on now). OG myth Lilith actually had interesting stuff and actually is proper independent but Hazbin kinda has her be super reliant on Lucifer. She's no longer the main attraction but saddled with uwu bean man.
>>155006909You assume Lilith bathes. Maybe both are incredibly stinky. Lilith just covers it with excessive perfume.
>>155006961Imagine the smell of both of them in the same room.
>>155006983Stop. I can only get so hard.
>>155007006100% estrogen
>>155007006Anyone have a link to this artist?
>>155007060???
>>155007061Sadly no. Found the picture after somebody else posted it here.
>>155006940I guess I find it weird because talking specifically about Viv, Lilith is one of the characters she's drawn the most, she's been there and her continuity for some time, so I would assume all this hype, all these feminist themes etc. Would go to her.... But all we've gotten so far is that she was a bad mother, potentially abusive. With Lute, if she's Eve, I would not have expected Viv to write her in the way she's currently written, and not hype her up a little bit more. Usually, at least from what I have observed, when it comes to characters Viv is excited about, she tends to talk more about them, and she can't keep her yap shut. But I haven't really seen that same energy with Lute.. only weird things that stand out is that she's only said that they've set her up pretty big, and she deleted that one thread where she apparently didn't really spoil anything, which is peculiar. It's like she's avoiding talking about her altogether she apparently didn't really spoil anything, which is ptogether It's like she's avoiding talking about her all together
>>155007088I had a stroke toward the end.
>>155007104It's ok.
>>155006699> with a corrupted Adam,In other words, modern day Adam.It’d be far more interesting if Adam was revived and mostly reset to his personality from the age of Early Man. So we get to see more of the man he used to be and further explore what happened in Eden.And I think it’d be an interesting idea for the universe/God to basically drop countless signs for Lute/Eve to stop what she’s doing through, “Here’s your hubby! Your favourite son! You wanna be an arch angel! Here ya go, crybaby! Now will you calm down?!”
>>155007122When I said corrupted Adam, I meant corrupted/controlled by Roo
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