Explain the appeal of Jean Grey as a character
>>154980581Crazy femcel
Cute redhead
>>154980581JINO
>>154980581red head
>Explain the appealThis is always a retarded thing to need done uuuu. In this case it should immediately place you in a care home for the mentally retarded.
I don't even know her character
>>154980581Jean Gay is a character tailor made for the modern audience, anon.
>>154980581She dies and comes back. She has a really high power levelI think that’s about it
>>154980581In the comics, not much desu. The version in the new movie is better.
jeans grey
>>154980581MCU version a great foil for Peter, other versions no appeal
People think she’s a teenager but she’s really 24. Also her skin is white and her hair is red so chuds automatically see her as a 10/10.
>>154980585fpbp
>>154980581she's gonna make Spider-Man gay
>>154980581Cute
>>154980581A sexually appealing white female with red-hair is sexually appealing.
>>154981103>she’s really 24.Time needs to chill the fuck out.
>>154980581She loves Spider-Man
>>154982260Reminds of a commercial that has lived rent free in my head for decades.https://youtu.be/A0Snd3xmLpA?is=qaXjEWDzp9U68pV4
>>154980581She cute.
>>154983270you know what's really bad? when he said 24 you either heard the clock or you heard this guy's voice, and he's been dead since 2008https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPlUFYmT6HMshow's been off the air since 2014 too
I was going to say what I hate about her butI forgot
>>154980581her..history?..she's like one of the premier heroes of the franchise, she does drive the stories even if it means being the point of a love triangle at times,that being said, I liked her for the plot.
>>154983983Actually I didn't because I've never watched either of those shows.
>>154980585FPBP
>>154983839This. redheads are the best
>>154984187what're you gaydid you get Jean Gay'd anon
>>154980581good girl.which is why I hate anything that portrays her as a jerk or an unlikeable whore, Morrison.
I liked her cause she was the good, nice girl with a repressed power and dominant side that wanted to be free. Totally not relatable.
>>154980581In this case it’s just that people don’t like Zendaya
>>154980587Meh, I've seen cuter
>>154980581she exists to glaze rightclopsdisney realized this and now marvel might be forced to use her to glaze spider man. or put a symbiote on her, or somethingthere are some jean grey comics. i don't think anyone cares about themjean grey is often depicted in comics as always with rightclops or in her own comic that no one cares about. there's an x-men unlimited issue (i think it was centered around storm) where gambit gives her a hard time for going on a mission without cyclops and i think that was the writer pointing out how jean grey doesn't really go on team missions without cyclopsthere are two back issues where she goes off on some adventure and beast goes with her. one from like the 80s with some aquatic villain, and the other has sinister, but the scenario is always contrived to where beast's presence makes no difference so other than that's just muh phoenix married to muh rightclopsP.S.women are toxic and have to center themselves before they can even be accepting of masculinity. it would be easy to glaze spider man by having her go crazy just for a scene for spider man to calm her down because women have no accountability for their emotions and generally won't do the same for men
>>154987492Cykefags are the lanky glasses chuds that might shoot up a school. Spider-Chads are the funny guys who received the most valentines
>>154987587neither of them are chads if they have to have an NPC for a gfi've literally never read a comic that made me like jean grey. i've never seen a comic where she's on a team without cyclops and it's a cool story archer recent comics of her in space are forced and hamfisted (i tried reading some that were storytimed and they just weren't interesting) and i doubt they had any significant lead upthe extremely few comics where she's not a love interest lead nowhere and have no impact. she was cool in AoA, but again, she was still a love interest for AoA wolverine
>>154987615>went from cyclop good spider man bad>to they both sucks You’re an angry little man aren’t you
>>154980581>Redhead>Comics counterpart is canonically double penetrated>Movie is played by goddess Sadie Sink
>>154987641>goddess Sadie SinkDo you think she would be a good Athena in odyssey
>>154987632i have literally never liked cyclops. try again.
>>154987656Obviously more god-like than what we got.
>>154987698She's not really supposed to be Athena anyway. So both of them being primarily identifiable as uwu young women works.
>>154980581>Explain the appeal of Jean Grey as a character>comics JeanThe original appeal was the same 'fantasy girlfriend' appeal of any comic book waifu, a pretty redhead, the moral core of her team, and gets paired up with the deputy leader of her group.Then there's a lot of power level stuff, love triangles, deaths and rebirths, etc, and writers started trying to make her an awful person for love triangle reasons, but by this point who's left in X-Men comics that isn't an awful person?>movie JeanSpider-Man fans just want /theirguy/ paired with an attractive redheaded waifu instead of Zendaya, OK? Also a lot of them are haremfags that will start shipping Spider-Man with anyone female who's currently living in the same State as him.
>>154980581Redhead tomboy with tough exterior to cover for sweet cute girl inside. Like many, a good example of Gap-moe.
>>154988284>Spider-Man fans just want /theirguy/ paired with an attractive redheaded waifu instead of Zendaya, OK?It's hard to take that read of things seriously after seeing the sweeping scope of the enthusiasm for the pairing. Most of the art I'm seeing is very, very obviously drawn by girls. People have compared it to fucking NarutoxSasuke shipping for a variety of reasons, some of them even sensible. It's just a solid idea.MCU Jean is pretty directly tapping into the dynamics of the struggling hero being able to reach a similarly struggling adversary and save the day by having her move beyond her damage alongside him. People have done way more with a lot less. But yes it's also cause she's a cute redhead. One can't deny that. This wouldn't be happening if it had been an ugly, misshapen Hector Hammond dude. Well, some of those girls would still be into it. Those fujos are freaks man, they scare me.
>>154986073not even going to bother making fun of you for this grow up
>>154980581I have a feeling MCU Jean will pull more from how she was in All-New X-Men
>>154988470>MCU character will pull more from awful, but modern source material than from good, but pre-2000s source materialThat's basically Feige's playbook for everything once the MCU moved past origin movies.
>>154980581She will mind rape me if I don't suck her toes
>>154988748That is hot as fuck. I love Jean's toes and I wonder if they are calloused and smell from living in the streets for so long.
Literally just her hair color. Emma laps her in every other respect.
imagineyandere telepath gf
>>154989392I am kind of curious what Emma Stone as Jean would have been like.I found her quite hot as Gwen Stacy.
>>154989385Tasty Jean footsies!
>>154980581>comics: she's a slut>other adaptations: milquetoast white woman but she's a redheat and that's hot>BND: she's fucking insane(that's hot) and I can fix her(but maybe I shouldn't)
>>154989738What is this...is it le based Nipplon character development?!?
>>154989395>yandere telepath gfImagine how when she went inside Peter's mind she saw everytime he jerked off and all the porn fantasies in his mind. Imagine Jean implanting visions of her naked body or replaced the faces in Peter's fantasies with herself.
>>154980581That part where she tells him he's making her blush after investigating her totally felt like flirting.
>>154989851I don't remember that part. You know the timestamp?
>>154989862Before the Hulk fight as Spidey enters the building.
>>154980581Cute redhead telepath
>>154989851I love that this art keeps her ugly pants
>>154990726
>>154990737
>>154990771I now want a sociopathic telekinetic girlfriend
>>154989385How bad do her feet smell?
>>154980581She looks amazing
>>154980581jeans: gray are appealing in that you don't see as much concrete dust on your jeans as you would had they been blue
>>154990726>>154990737I love how scary she can be when angry
>>154992563Having seen the fan art of the scene before actually watching the movie, I was mildly surprised we cut from her cradling Peter to Frank bringing him into the hospital. But I guess what happened in between gets fanart precisely because we didn't see it.
>>154993036I mean that's what I wish would have happened but probably she just got too scared and focused her power in saving Peter. That's also why black glowie whats-his-name got away.
>>154980581She is cute and red and crazy
>>154993781My psycho telepathic girlfriend can't be this cute!
>>154989392Idk I find the whole bimbo look boring. They always look the same. And indont read marvel, so idk about them story wise, but Jean does seem like a more compelling character, whereas Emma looks basic in every respect
>>154980581Zendaya should worry, she is much better
>>154981103>Also her skin is white and her hair is red so chuds automatically see her as a 10/10You are Mindbroken
I can fix her
>>154988284Atom Eve from Invincible is probably the best representation of Jean in media
>>154996249Abortion-lady is the shittiest version. I am glad Brand New Day came to correct it.Also Anissa >>>>>>>>>>>>> Eve
>>154996275Jean aborted her baby into the future though
>>154980581>Generic white karen that's makes every man want her and every woman want to be her. Typical Mary Sue with a Mary sue power.Reason why Rouge and Storm are more popular than her.
>>154996387Not even sure it happened but given the state of modern comics, I'm glad I don't read that shit. Don't get that woke garbage in BND
>>154980581keks kekclops
>>154983801why did end with the wolverine and jean grey ones looking at each other...cyclops was right there
>>154985943>good girltis a pity she's a whore
>>154980585>>154980587This
>>154980581Sadie is so much better than Zendaya its not even funny
>>154996426Rouge is great because alt girls are fun. But I like this new hoodrat JeanShe has such a 2000's look, reminds me of Chroniclehttps://youtu.be/AJusp9PvvrI
>>154980581Redheads, man.
>>154993200Yeah I think she also telepathy connected to Frank the whole time which explains why Frank said she just left.
>>154980581She looks like she needs a shower and a hair brush and some oil control film
>>154988349Where do you think we are?
>>154998117I think I like zendaya’s caramel feet slightly better than Sadie’s ordinary pale feet. They’re both “attainably” cute tho. I say why not both
>>154980581She looks her pussy is unwashed and it has a horrid smell!
>>154998117I’d fuck both
>>154999668Wow haha gross
>>154980581Mutant women are inherently good at sex.
Gonna assume this is where SpiderPheonix thread is.Please keep archiving the threads! I have the ones that reached bump limit here:From oldest (top) from the newest (bottom):https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/154877621https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/154893227https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/154898929https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/154916242https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/154933242https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/154946039https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/154951260https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/154956043https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/154970202https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/154968194https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/154975467https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/154993551As always, I love all you anons with all these great ideas!
>>154996249I do not care for atom eve or anything by Robert “I like to watch” Kirkman
Here's the appeal
>>154980581Redhead with psychic powers. She was classically like the team mom, very nurturing and generally one of the nicer X-Men. It's what made the Phoenix transformation so jarring as well as the Phoenix was none of those things.
Will Jean be the one to finally pop the spider cherry?
I love Sadie, but why do every Zoomer have bad posture
>>155000096Also she needs pants that can fit her
She looks normal here
>>155000096We've grown up on phones, computers and iPads. It results in us not giving a shit about posture due to sitting around for long periods looking at screens. In my case it didn't really start until my early teens but others get ejected out of the womb with an iPad/iPhone. It just gets worse with the Gen A's running around throwing tantrums if you stop letting them be groomed by Roblox pedos for 2 seconds.
>>155000096>>155000116I would drop 30 year old Zendaya to date 18 year old Sadie Sink
>>155000211Based
>>154980581Mcu reason?Cute redhead I can fix her girl to ship with spider man
>>154980581She isn't really a Jean Grey in this movie. Sadie is cute though and there is no can fix her element too. That's naturally appealing even if not really good.
>>154983270She will be 30 by the time her second XMen movie will come out. Yeah.
>>155000046Okay this is my favorite one. The original was too simple, the "I'm going to rape you" version too crass. This one is just right at being suggestive yet also funny wording. Saved.
>>154987587>fans of the character that didn't have a history with the bitch cunt whore character are more friendly towards this characterNo fucking way! Ngl, at this point I want Cyclops to bump in MJ or Black Cat in XMen movie and get them cycloped. Promise, I'll be saying only polite things about these ladies.
>>155000820You can have them both, "MJ" is already an imposter and knowing Marvel they will make Black Cat literally a black women who will unironically be obese
>>155000844>>155000844That's not how it works, women desire you more when other women also desire you. It's not about trading up or anything. It's just the alpha getting his harem
Scottfags deserve pity. Their boy's been getting dragged through the mud for decades.
>>154982260Implying that pizza doesn't have some kind of mind shield or stoic mind that cannot be read or manipulated. Basically, psychic powers are absolutely fucking useless in these settings because otherwise everyone would just get brain blasted at the first opportunity.
>>155001006Toxic males should get not even scraps. Every cyclops fan are assholes and believe women owe them sex just because they are 6 feet. It doesn't work like that, four eyes.
>>155000071I have my doubts. Tom's a wife guy and is in the writer's room (I can't blame him for wanting to be loyal to her in a franchise that gives him the chance to be) and we do have the implication that the spell is being broken slowly but surely. I would like it if they did move on though. Quill has had to move on, Strange has had to move on, and it would mean that NWH would have had no consequence aside from May dying if his friends all magically remembered them. It would be a microblip in that they've all developed lives without knowing Peter and yet here he is suddenly back and it leads to friction which could be an interesting creative decision if written competently but like I said, it would mean we wasted too much time. I don't really believe in the rumor that the script originally had Peter and Jean kiss at the end of the talk no jutsu. That would have been too soon and too..."cheap." I would love a romance between Peter and this Jean. I would adore them if they became platonic lovers or mentor/pupil, closer than most family members. This is one of the few creative decisions in the MCU in a long time that makes me interested because ultimately it's a very human quandary compared to your usual fare of defeating some villain of the week.
>>154980581I can't. There's no appeal.
They need to keep Jean with her bangs hairstyle because if she ever does it in a regular middle part, you'll just see Max from ST
>>155001105I want her hoodie look to stay the same, Jean looks cool that way.
>>155001052how are your posts still shit even after you delete and remake it?
wtf I like Jean now
>>154980581The X-men needed a female character to create artificial shipping wars and for nerds to simp over. Basically Mary Jane but with more plot relevance.
I like to imagine that she'll have a photo of herself and Spider-man as the home screen on her phone. And also she'll have Peter's number, but it'll say "Spider-Man" on her address list. And then an emergency happens and one of the other X-Men try calling him because they have no other option (he's one of her emergency contacts). And then he actually fucking shows up.
When can we admit that this movie is bad?
>>154980581None, she's universally terrible. All she can do is fall down and yell "Scott!"
>>155001239few weeks
>>155000002We need to keep this pairing alive bros
>>155001257Ok cool
Just finished this. I know it's daft. Sorry for using 2017 Peter but I couldn't think to make it more recognizable https://files.catbox.moe/ge1mlw.JPG
>>155001469anon, the fact that you went and did it makes it worth it.
>>154985213It reminds me a lot of Rocket's "Can I come?" in Guardians 3I means a bunch of things but chief among them >Do you forgive me?>With the life I've led do I deserve this happiness?Rocket fully believes he's a bad person, but even in just asking it shows he still carries a hope for himself
>>155001469based but is the end saying she caused it ors it because she hid the truth
>>154980581Comic Jean Grey? Nothing.
>>155001469KINOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>155001491both
>>155001469holy gem alert
>>155001511but she can only get in if he lefts her so she shouldnt feel like that
>>155001530she didn't use her powers, she just purposefully made arachnid mode horny
This thread is so fun. I've never been much of a shipper, but I love shitposting. I just made this for these thread because I love SpiderPhoenix so much
>>155001578KEK
>>155001128I posted it on my phone in 6 in the morning. Give me break cykefag.
>>155001469Cute soles
Who will be cast as Rogue and Kitty? I hope they look like this
>>155002269Latest rumors are Cailee Spaeny (left) for Rogue and Julia Butters (right) for Kitty
>>155001469The most fucked up part for Jean is the realisation that Peter would most likely forgive her and would even try to blame himself for entering that 'feral state' and 'using' her.
>>154980581There must always be a redhead for Spider Man to be shipped with. Redhead balance.
>>155002500Imagine Jean starting to cry when Peter says it's ok and she needed a release
>>154981103That’s Sadie Sink’s appeal, not Jean Grey.
>>155002500Peter literally apologized for being sexually harassed by Jean in the movie
Their kid would definitely be named Sara May.
Kingdom Hearts 4 but BND is an entire world where Peter is trying to save Jean from the darkness.
>>155003015YEAH
>>155003015Sony owns the video game rights for spider man don't they
>>155003079No, just the movie rights
Horror/romance concept. Jean is able to conceptualize consent but still can't actually live by itShe knows that regular people consider it wrong to force people to do things but her lived experience prevents her from actually registering this. Like speaking a different language
Reminder for every retard saying Jean is underaged in BND, Feige said they were a similar age with Peter only being a little older
>>155003365She's like 19-20 compared to Peter's 21-22.
>>154980581She looks like a homeless meth addict who gets to sleep at a guy who she previously met one time’s house in exchange for sex
>>155002390I’m not watching X-men bro, I’ll see you for Spider-Man 5
Banner LITERALLY says Jean broke something in his brain
>>155003437He's the hulk, it's always broken.
>>155003437Am I the only one wondering why they decided to forget that Bruce was able to control Hulk since Infinity War but now suddenly he doesn't have control anymore as of Brand New Day?
>>155003608Psychic trauma from the events of She-Hulk. Having a son spontaneously added to and then removed from existence will mentally fuckup anyone.
>>155003437It’s a metaphor for suppressing your emotions. It’s unhealthy. Like Peter always having to start from bottom to top with Mary Jane, Banner always have to start from bottom to top with Hulk. I love comics, but every time something good happens between the two, some HACK writer just tear the wall over and over again. When are they going to learn that a broken tree, will never grow back the same. Just let Spider-Man have a permanent girlfriend, let Hulk and Banner have a mutual understanding
Gingers are an endangered species
>>155003678Still surprised Jean wasn't raceswapped in BND given how prolific the practice is now
>>154988333Women unironically selfinsert as Jean. The fantasy is fucking Peter not the redhead.
>>155003678Peter and Jean will fix that.
>>155003660>It’s a metaphor for suppressing your emotions. It’s unhealthy.Nah bro, you are just not trying hard enough.Eliminating your emotions works wonders, and has no side effects whatsoever
>>154980581There is no appeal, she's a fucking mutant and should be purged along with the rest of them.'ate mutie scum.
>>155003780Disney is out of money and there are 9 consecutive marvel losses to recoup with spiderman.
>>155004042>616s first taste of x-men was a telepath brain raping Manhattan because she got madthey really are an irredeemable group, as time's gone on i've started disliking x-men more and more
>>154980581"Dur hur hur cute white girl can paralyze me for my coomer fantasies"This version of Jean is evil, shitty and is a product of the simping society does "women can do no wrong and every batshit and evil thing they do is justified". She's basically a feminist power fantasy. If male character had been doing the same shit, he would be beat down, and either eliminated or lobotomized.
>>155004142Read a book, Jean was never anything but.
>>155004142It's not that she "does no wrong" it's that any attempt to punish her or bring her to justice will result in her psychically exploding so a hundred people within a certain radius of her will die. Peter treated her like a hostage negotiater/bomb defusal expert. He calmed her down and convinced her to stop hurting people. For now. Imagine arguing "this suicide bomber should be brought to justice" when they have a dead man switch meaning shooting them will result in an explosion.
>>154980581The only appeal she has is her powers. She's a self righteous bitch that preaches the opposite of what she doesShe plays the victim card in every conflict that she's ever hadAnd she routinely cucks the one guy that actually ever puts any effort into building a long term relationship with herAt this point the fact that she's a redhead and has a good body isn't even nearly enough to generate any appeal for her
>>155004122I just really fucking hate mutants. The Krakoan Age in particular irredeemably tainted them in my eyes.
>>155004122>sister kidnapped and murdered>government constantly trying to kidnap her and do the same>retards think Jean's anger is still unjustified
>>155003810Bitches love Spider-Man
>>155004161RIP Bobby Drake's sexuality
>>155004381fucking with innocent people is pretty unjustifiable yeah
>>155004430I'm not saying she's innocent of wrongdoing but acting as if Jean's anger was unjustified is fucking stupid
>>155004381It is and Damage Control is absolutely in the right in this movie, including accounting for Holland-Man ending up a retard in shining armor.
>>155004497>Damage Control is absolutely in the right in this movieThey would be if you skipped the torture scene that kills their inmates. At the torture and death, any moral high ground they have disappears.
>>155004533Telepaths should die anyway, they're all evil. If anything the mistake was not just executing her.
>>155004546Even if telepaths deserve it, which they do, you can't execute all telepaths without a jury trial first. We are not barbarians.
>>155004583We can outsource it to the robots too, I'm cool with that.
>>155004381>the government wronged me so i'm going to mindrape New YorkJean is just a walmart shooter but infinitely more dangerous. Her chimpout simply wasn't justified i'm afraid, yet again a mutant was seconds away from causing a mass-casualty event.Never forget the old man she forced to walk into traffic earlier in the film. Oh and the old lady she made commit a terrorist attack. Or the fact she knowingly unleashed The Hulk. Or the fact that her first instinct after breaking out of containment was to mindrape New York. Boohoo her sister is dead that's still no reason to nearly kill thousands. This is why the X-men suck, claiming oppression from humie whilst being able to end humanity with a thought. Spider-Man did the world a massive favor inventing a universal inhibitor because there has yet to be a single comic or movie run involving mutants that doesn't end in mass innocent death. His biggest mistake was not snapping Jeans neck.Anger and grief does not absolve her from being the most dangerous being present in the MCU since The Void but even then everyone he "killed" was returned unharmed leading to Bob having a total kill count of 0, which is at minimum 3 less than Jean when not accounting for people that may have died in the various forms of destruction she caused(Hulk, explosion at the prison, the guards Punisher shot whilst under her control etc).TLDR: She's an evil bitch and when 616 has sentinels I hope they genocide the dangerous genocidal mutants with no trial and including the children.
>>154980581A literal fucking murderer. That's the appeal. And no. This dude isn't fine. I watched the film. He got fucking merc'd.
>>155004656Didn't they show that guy being completely fine in the ending montage, or was that just some other random guy with a big bushy beard?Doesn't really absolve her of walking a dude into traffic either way, but it's nice to know Pete didn't watch some random old man die.
>>155004656Maybe he deserved it though? Have you thought of that?
>>155004615>Judge Master Mold finds you guiltySounds fun
>>155004727>b-but what if you were the murderous sadistic psychopath with the energetic output of three nuclear bombs? huh???Then the sentinels are right to kill me. How many years of this shit already, x-fags?
>>155004765trvke fuck mutants for real
>>155004723Clearly the old man was on Frank's list the entire time
>>155004765>b-but what if you were the murderous sadistic psychopath with the energetic output of three nuclear bombs? huh???Same as you they're right to kill me>O-okay fine what if same thing but you weren't a murderous sadistic psychopathI'd wear a fucking inhibitor chip/collar to protect everyone around me like Bruce Banner did with his bracelet in this movie. You know the basic decent thing to do. X-men are selfish cunts.
>>155003780Normally redheads and gingers are blackwashed but I guess they wanted money
>>155004634>His biggest mistake was not snapping Jeans neck.You can't call it a mistake when no consequences have followed from it. Only time will tell whether or not he made the right decision by trying to work with Jean rather than condemn her. We have already seen some payoff with her saving his life so we need to see what she does in the long-term. For all we know MCU Jean will be the deciding force in Doomsday/Secret Wars. It's easy to look at the atrocities she has already done and the atrocities her comic counterpart has done. It's not easy seeing what she could do after being shown compassion.I'm generally anti-mutant but I don't think we can really comment on whether or not they will be the same in the MCU. Not yet. Peter's compassion could make all of the difference.
>>155004197>no one wants to approach the idea that trying to "bring Jean Grey justice" will just result in even more people dying after making her go scorched earth
>>155004912I want you to do something. Find a single instance where a female character who does something unironically evil and condemnable by every metric being redeemed in a believable way or being told what she did is unforgivable and she should see jailtime or some kind of punishment. I mean when she isn't wearing the black hat. Because movies are written by sociopaths who designates people good or bad not because of their actions or morality but their plot designation. Remember the infamous "They'll never know what you sacrificed for them" ending of wandavision? The only way to fix that is to have her getting severe PTSD after she tries her bulslhit on OG professor or new IT professor X and getting bodied and forced to see and feel all of the pain she's caused others. >>155004983Ironman legion with inhibors installed and a sninper rifle held by bullseye can fix all of that.
>>155005084The problem with your mentality is that you seem to imply Jean isn't aware of all the harm she's done and lacks any self-awareness of it. She was literally possessing people and making them suffer through her connection to them. She understands exactly what she was doing. She didn't give a shit because she's a selfish person who lost someone that she loves.The answer to that isn't trying to force some ridiculous 'eye for an eye' nonsense with this insanely powerful superbeing who already comprehends the level of harm they have inflicted upon others. It is showing this superbeing how to act differently. Which is precisely what Peter has done. He serves as an example to her now. As for the notion of 'jailtime' let's not be disingenuous here. They can't contain her comfortably. At best you'd try the inhibitor collar. Okay. Now who do we entrust with this powerful mutant? The US Government? Some shady agency? Let's not be stupid about this. We both know exactly what they would do with such a powerful weapon in their hands.So you bring it down to one of two things. Either you kill her or you reform her. Killing her may stop any further harm but it also means she can never do anything to make up for what she has done and given how mutants work are we going to do this with every single powerful mutant that appears? Seems inefficient and like a good way to get raped by a particularly powerful one.In reality reformation is the best method for dealing with a case like this. Because this is a superhero setting with tons of cosmic threats out there. If you can teach a powerful mutant like Jean you not only secure a powerful defender of the planet who can make up for their crimes by saving billions of lives but you also establish a precedent for other powerful mutants which can prevent them from later running amok. Especially when Jean can be used as a countermeasure herself.
>>155005204She psionically raped and tortured hundreds of people killed multiple and was holding the entire city hostage. Why? Because after she and her sister were caught after brain raping hundreds of innocent people they were taken to a shadey place where they were tortured. It's all her fault. Nothing she's done has shown that there is anythign good in her worth saving. She willingly did that and needs to be held accountable. Spiderman saying "well the movie is almost over, you're a good guy now" is bullshit. She didn't save anyone using her powers, she didn't show any guilt for anything she's done only upset she was caught and her sister died. She's not scared and lashing out, she's not a wronged person doing bad things but showing guilt for hurting people and attempting to not hurt people, she's a monster.I'm not sure if they even understand what a good person is.She's a bad person and needs to be held accountable. Even fucking scarlet witch before the horror show that was wandavision understood what she did was wrong saw retribution for it and lost her brother because of it. Disney writers should not be allowed to interfere with any Spiderman movies and if this is what they're going to be doing with the xmen IP...It's going to be really bad.
>>155005204>You may be on the new avengers but you're on thin ice little lady! >[Holocaust beam]>Jean we talked about this, you can't keep making people experience the horrors of the Holocaust where did that even come from anyway>Sorry Spiderman>T...t....there was a bear and an eagle... And a roller coaster...>He'll be fine right? Jean...>Beep boop >....huh? You may be on the new avengers but you're on thin ice little lady!
>>155005334>Disney writers should not be allowed to interfere with any Spiderman moviesYeah, how could they do this to Spider-Man, a character who famously believes in immediately murdering anyone who does something bad enough.
>>155005394Everyone hates Maximum Carnage, just so you know.
>>155005334>Nothing she's done has shown that there is anythign good in her worth savingExcept for possessing Spider-Man's dying body and manually breathing to keep him alive. Of course.>and needs to be held accountable.By who exactly? Who can hold Jean accountable?That's what I mean. You're being low IQ. You think in the short term like an overemotional puppy instead of considering the actual context. No one can ethically hold Jean accountable. No one can be trusted to keep her imprisoned without using her for their own ends. This isn't real life. This is a fantasy setting where humans can suddenly attain the power of gods. You don't deal with that by setting the precedent of killing them. Because that will lead to the next Jean Grey to have a far FAR worse reaction. You deal with it by having someone like Spider-Man reach out to them. >>155005345We haven't seen anything about Jean post-BND so we can't say that she's going to relapse and keep doing this shit. The reason it happens in the comics is because it's a hellhole with creatively bankrupt writers repeating the same beats over and over again.
>>155005394Which was absolute fucking bullshit back then and was rightfully called out as fucking bullshit by everyone reading spiderman.
>>155005420>Except for possessing Spider-Man's dying body and manually breathing to keep him alive. Of course.Oh well shit the hundreds of people she brain raped and the people she murdered don't matter anymore. Her manually breathing for spiderman fixes it!!>By who exactly? Who can hold Jean accountable?SHIELDThe AvengersThe policeThe vaultDamage control did a good job.She's not some god level unstoppable monster like thanos or a comic accurate ultron or scarlet witch. She should see jail time or be on a permanent watch list for both her danger and what she's done. If this isn't brought up in the Xmen and her trying to make amends and help other mutants isn't part of her character there's going to be a lot of people calling bullshit on it.
>>155005084>Ironman legion with inhibors installed and a sninper rifle held by bullseye can fix all of that.>Jean hears about this and sneaks into the facility that made these proto sentinels and kills all the staffCongratulations
>>155005475You just listed a bunch of retards who regularly fuck shit up. And you expect anyone to take your complaining seriously?>Oh well shit the hundreds of people she brain raped and the people she murdered don't matter anymore. Her manually breathing for spiderman fixes it!!Yeah. They don't actually. Wanna know why? Because Jean can save billions of lives when the next Thanos shows up. Spider-Man saves thousands of lives on a regular basis himself. You're continuing to be incredibly stupid by ascribing real world standards to a fictional setting where the planet is threatened by some genocidal freak of nature on a regular basis. If you can get a freak of nature on your side then you fucking do that.Your concepts of 'justice' are deeply moronic and would get everyone killed.
>>155005420>We haven't seen anything about Jean post-BND so we can't say that she's going to relapse and keep doing this shit.She better or they're ruin everything Jean as a capricious gremlin barely contained by a found family and occasional Peter Parker handholding fingers intertwined is all the draw going forward. They have danger and edge to play with at reasonable quantities far better established than all the thunderflops put together.
>>155005475>Damage control did a good job>entire movie they NEEDED Spider-Man and Frank to show up to save them from Jean>kidnapping Jean's sister but not her resulted in having a powerful mutant go on a rampage years later>a good jobYou have a very strange definition of "a good job" here.
>>155005475>She's not some god level unstoppable monster like thanos or a comic accurate ultron or scarlet witchShe can kill a hundred people in a matter of seconds by the end of the movie. Did you even watch BND?
This isn't complicated you morons. We just need to KILL. ALL. THE MUTANTS. Krakoa should've taught you guys that they need to be exterminated wherever they're discovered.
>>155005531His concepts of justice aren't even smart in our worldNearly every scenario and study has proven that rehabilitative justice is preferable to punitive, and while yes, we need to lock up people who are intent on doing wrong, we have plenty of reason to believe Jean isn't that anymore. Redemption requires acknowledging mistakes (iffy, but likely), ending bad behaviors (prioritized saving Peter over killing/capturing the Damage Control guy), and choosing to do good (saving Peter's life).Now, another element is, of course, accountability, but one of the only institutions capable of holding her accountable also just proved it's more interested in vivisecting her brain than treating her fairly, so that's kind of a wash. But for anyone with a brain, Jean is in a good position to be a better person.Just don't get Phoenixy and we're fine.
>>155005584Krakoa doesn't exist in the MCU. All the shitty thing ls Muties did in the comics haven't happened. Jean is a rogue element. Thousands of MCU mutants cannot be judged by the actions of one mentally unstable teenage girl.
>>155005523>hearsLike she heard Damage control? Besides plot, how in the hell would she know? >>155005531>saved billions of livesHow? Brainrape a civilian somewhere? Slightly freeze a bunch of normal people while failing to do anything to someone who can actually pose a semi-serious threat?Letting someone who's got powers like hers who has shown a willingness to use them to harm others and murder with said powers and significant sadistic nature when using those dangerous powers walk around free because she saved one guy is fucking retarded.Part of the justice system is putting away and monitoring dangerous people. And sometimes killing them. Want to know why? To prevent mob justice and people with a gun knife or something else from taking the job on themselves. To prevent vigilante justice. And prevent the person in question from hurting others and committing murder. They live in a world where almost anyone can potentially have the ability to turn a building into ashes or explode heads. What happens when there's a street fight between a serial brain rapist and the super powered family member/spouse/friend of someone said brain rapist murdered?Who is at fault then? >>155005582Hundred people vs murder a planet or nation in a matter of hours and is nigh unkillable. She's a glass canon who can be taken out with a few ironman armors loaded up with inhibitors or a bullet from a trained sniper. >>155005601She's never held accountable. Which is what the justice system is.She's never had to come to terms with her own evil acts and reading spidermans brain after all of the people she's brain raped and killed just automagically changes her mind cause plot? Even the Hulk who is a real clear and present danger has been held accountable and 90% of his life is spent living in penetance and fear and having to come to terms with what he's done and capable of. And it wasn't his fault. Jean? She's perfectly happy with brain rape and murder.
>>155005741It isn't worth trying to reason with you. You have made it clear that you refuse to look at this reasonably. You're blinded by an inane sense of 'right and wrong' that causes you to reach suicidal, absurd, conclusions.
nta but she should die because she's a mutant not because she did anything wrong.
>>155005782You bigoted piece of shit
whatever you say bro I just keep it real she's gotta go lest she and her broodmates attempt to overthrow humanity as the dominant species on earth.
>>155005741>Dr. Doom shows up who is an iron man who is also ironman and also evil dr. Strange because reasons >Jean grey please help! Mind rape them, mind rape! Trauma beam go, please Jean! Where exactly do you think this cinematic universe is going anon?
What if Jean consents to sex with Peter but the Phoenix Force doesnt consent to sex with a totem so from the Phoenix perspective it is being raped
>>155006123fujimoto speaks of this
>>155005765You're fucking stupid and lack the ability to understand that their attempt to make her totes hardcore bossbitch and in control made her into an unironic villainess who has nothing resembling a redemption arc or anything resembling redeemable qualities as a heroine. >>155006086You mean the guy who was written to have willpower so strong that near cosmic level mind controllers can't manipulate him? The guy who defeated everyone on his and many other planets who had professor x tier psionics?Are you high?
>>155006145If we were put into this scenario we would benefit more from killing you than we would doing any of the shit you're proposing.
>>155006175Look bitch.You don't know the first fucking thing about any of the characters we are discussing, writing, movies, or have an IQ high enough to crack the 100 mark.We need less fucking morons like you who don't understand anything on earth.As for Jean Grey in the MCU. It was a fucking terrible start for her character and if they don't do something with her being basically a villain in the Xmen movies then it's going to be absolutely shit. Just like you.Shit.
>>155006224I'll repeat it for you. We would benefit more from killing you than we would following any of your retarded ideals.
>>155006145>But thing in narrative they don't know which will brake check her and easy set up reason to push herself too far Exactly geniusGay 8 part miniseries is not in the cards for an omega level mutant in training.
>>155006224>"She's for the streets" said Scott as rain flooded his visor
>>155006251Of course you'll repeat it. You're too fucking stupid to think beyond the script you're giving and what chatgpt can write for you.
>>155006316Uh-oh! He's having a melty!
>>155006336YOU SHOULD DIE!!!Said the retard who couldn't think up a decent argument.Somehow forgetting everyone can read the response chain.
>>155006356Go on, buddy. Get it out of your system.
>>155006376Me:I think Jean Grey is a villainess and has not been sufficiently redeemed and maybe should see some form of punishment or they should carry that into the xmen so that she can have an edge to her and make that part of the reason the xmen are foundYou:YOU SHOULD BE MURDERED! YOU MAD YOU MAD!Okay stupid. You lost this fight.
>>155006421I want to hear more, little man.
>>155001469So basically, even though she can't actually control him, Jean still finds a way to abuse consent by triggering arachnid mode and forcing Peter to have sex with her. That's MCU Jean for you.
>>155006421>Tries to slip in that they also could do nothing and proceed as is, the thing everyone normal thinks because she saved spooderman Ah ah buddy, that's not enough remember? They totally destroyed her character forever just a few posts up. She has to be a Wanda maximov because she just has to regardless of Jean being motivated by actual not fake wrongs at the hands of the government that killed her sister and etc.
>>155006509whut?>>155006436>say "you mad">post pictureYou "people" suck at trolling
>>154980581Originally it was sexy redheaded high school girl. Then it bacame sexy redheaded college girl that can destroy the world but you can (not really) save her with the power of your love.
>>155006550'You people' isn't very kosher of you.
>"damage control kidnapped Jean's Sister, Jean was just trying to find her. we were wrong about everything." -spiderman audience surrogate
>>155006224>if they don't do something with her being basically a villain in the Xmen moviesPffffffftShe's a mutant broX-Men will say Peter was wrong for stopping her
>>155006123>a child is conceived>Phoenix and The Other childishly bickering over whose power the child will get puts the multiverse at risk
>>155005394I was thinking about this the other day while reading Queen in Black, where Peter wants to go non-lethal on Hela's big invading army then comparing it to MCU Peter fighting Thanos army and immediately wiping out the lethal mode then being surrounding by all the corpse he'd killed. It's funny but despite being Disney, MCU is way more kill friendly than the comics.
>>155006754>they never get to the conclusion of just having Jean drop 2 eggs so each sibling gets one power and they fuck up reality as a team
>jean intentionally dressing in peter's sweaty laundry and tricking him into raping her so she can confess her love while he's in a blind sex frenzy and can't remember iti love you guys
Purple Man would be an amazing Jean Grey rival or antagonist. He represents a dark mirror to this Jean who wants to turn a new leaf
>>154980581Psychic barely legal ass
>>155008152MCU purple man doesn't really do mind control so much as body control, so it might be possible that he can overwhelm Peter. Maybe he can force Peter to say to Jean that he felt raped when she kissed him. As a way to tell Jean that they aren't so different. They both forced a target to engage in sexual activity against their will . Jean will want to repent and make it up to Peter but he already forgave her
>>154981103She is tiny as fuck and was riding the bus a lot. Made her look like a school girl
>>154987792So was Odysseus just a schizo in the new movie?
>>155008244Also would be fun if a string of crimes cause Peter to investigate, thinking its Jean again. He may even try to apprehend Jean as she angrily tells him she changed (and blush when explaining why she chose to stop mentally raping people).Then they both can investigate and discover it was Purple Man when Peter falls under his biochemical trap, which he never would have if it was Jean.
No one is gonna post the drawing of her with big tits? That was the best fanart drawing in all of the threads.
>>154987792>>155008269Wait what?Not either anon, but I didn't watch Odyssey and didn't really care about the movie but now I'm confused by these postsIs there some bullshit twist or something where it's revealed that it's "actually the real world" and it's all in the characters' head(s), or is it like Monty Python and the Holy Grail where it's just a bunch of LARPers in current year?If so that actually sounds kino, which is surprising because I heard the movie was slop
>>154989392Fat with karen haircut
>>155008244>As a way to tell Jean that they aren't so different. They both forced a target to engage in sexual activity against their willExactly, the parallels are there this shit practically writes itself!>Ignore the X-men, Phoenix and cosmic shit. Leave that for an Avengers crossover>There is no Xavier institute, Jean remains a hood rat struggling to make ends meet and starts the show with the barest form of telepathy and telekinesis strong enough to move a coin a few inches by extreme concentration. Her main skill keeps being possessing people>Jean arrives to a city and hoping to prevent others from feeling the loss she suffered, tries her hand at superheroics and keep trying to track the guy who murdered her sister>Turns out she's pretty bad at it and struggles with not going overboard (how does Peter do it?)>Catches the attention of a charming man who she can't easily read and control>He proposes to teach her how to become a proper superhero and shows her that he has a very similar ability to hers to make people obedient>Starts teaching her how to use her abilities but his ruthless methodology clashes with the example Peter set>She ends up rejecting him, after which she learns that he actually wanted to harness her abilities as a weapon>She sets to catch him but he parallels Jean in his use of people as meatshields and makes them commit crimes(CONT)>>155008295I'm interested
>>155008327>Show turns into a police series with Jean trying to capture him but struggles because he is too skilled and she has to concede moral ground to get the upper hand>Peter joins shortly after to support Jean and through their relationship get closer to capture the villain>The series shows them starting to date and the mushy parts of their relationship as contrast to the gruesome detective cases Jean solves>Show ends in climatic scene where he puts Peter in danger and Jean has to resist the urge to kill in order to win. She manages to defeat the villain but barely thanks to the power of love and Peter's help, representing the death of the old Jean by capturing the villain instead of resorting to murder>Peter congratulates her for her growth and they watch the sunset>Symbiote arc starts here! >>154979628 Also Jessica Jones collaborates in some cases although she displays an inherent hatred for Jean
>>154996275Just say you prefer physical rape to mind rape
>>154996426Rogue is fat and she has old lady granny hair
>>155008360Physical rape is cool. But mental rape is the best>Her psychic powers will ensure both of them are intimately connected the entire time, sharing every thought and sensation with one another. Nobody will know when Peter begins and when Jean ends
>>155008327Kino. Jean is a great character
>>154998117.t /pol/Make Sadie look a few years older and I agree with you. I didnt see the other spidey mcu movies so idk why peter is simping over the fatass and generic mutt so hard
>>154998117.t /pol/Make Sadie look a few years older and I agree with you. I didnt see the other spidey mcu movies so idk why peter is simping over the fatass and generic mutt so hard. senpai
>>155008384nta but>.t /pol/Are you at least charging rent for an internet community living in your head?
>>155008360>>155008377not either anon but>just say you [like being raped]>yes :)Kek this entire thread is cursed
>>155000995It's like 2factor authentication if no women want you girls thing you are a serial killer freak, if you have a GF or wife girls think you wont beat them..t random fatass that got way more story interaction when he started posting his GF on his story
>>155001113should be come inside instead
>>155001212pun pun looking chopped
>>155008327Interestingly the last thing Purple Man did in the mcu was use his powers to make trish kiss himNow Trish is portrayed as kind of scummy and immoral, but forcing her into a kiss is portrayed as a disgustingly evil rapey thing. Immediately followed by his death
I want Peter to unleash half a decade of pent-up sexual aggression and loneliness into Jean's virgin mutant pussy. It'll start extra rough because of his arachnid mode, but it becomes more and more tender and soft as it goes as he focuses on making sure she has a good time. Her psychic powers will ensure both of them are intimately connected the entire time, sharing every thought and sensation with one another. Nobody will know when Peter begins and when Jean ends. Eventually his webshooter will get super sticky in her V-max, and when she locks her legs tightly around him and their fingers intertwine, he'll be whispering low in her ear that she'll never be alone again before he stares into her joyful, teary eyes with the warmest smile he's ever had before giving her the deepest kiss he's given anyone, his tongue writhing in her mouth like a coked up snake as they simultaneously climax and they start the process of welcoming new life into the world.>>155008448Yeah its a shame, then again they can bring him back with the universal resets they've had.
>>155008463>I want Peter to unleash half a decade of pent-up sexual aggression and loneliness into Jean's virgin mutant pussy. It'll start extra rough because of his arachnid mode, but it becomes more and more tender and soft as it goes as he focuses on making sure she has a good time. Her psychic powers will ensure both of them are intimately connected the entire time, sharing every thought and sensation with one another. Nobody will know when Peter begins and when Jean ends. Eventually his webshooter will get super sticky in her V-max, and when she locks her legs tightly around him and their fingers intertwine, he'll be whispering low in her ear that she'll never be alone again before he stares into her joyful, teary eyes with the warmest smile he's ever had before giving her the deepest kiss he's given anyone, his tongue writhing in her mouth like a coked up snake as they simultaneously climax and they start the process of welcoming new life into the world.Feige....
>>155003365>>155003393Eh, as a 30 year old I would need to see some ID before clapping, her oversized hoodies made her look like a schoolgirl
Now that you pointed it out, the MCU made it clear with with Killgrave that making someone kiss people is extremely cruel and evil and bad but Jean does it and gets away with it
>>155004222I love their ethnostate with orgies
>>155008497>Killgrave that making someone kiss people is extremely cruel and evil and bad but Jean does it and gets away with it/ourgirl/ is extremely based like that. She commits mass murder and rape (both male and female, of the same couple no less) and gets away with it!
>>155004656He was a mutant with super strength he is fine
>>155008463That comic from yesterday reminded me of this. Still want this specifically though.
Jean probably ruined a lot of social lives on the race to MJ alone simply by interrupting people's lives to make them talk shit to Spidey
>>155006439Hawt.
>>155008317It was a pretty shit movie. Nolan wanted to make it grounded and realistic so you never saw 90% of the Gods on screen even though they were all over in the original text, instead of guiding him home Athena was just a silent Zenyada that pouted at Odysseus instead of speaking much
>>155008562oh lmao i seeWould have been way more kino if it was actually some "actually it's some schizo in the modern real world and it's all in his head" twist
>>155008562Read the book then if that’s what you want retard
>>155008518She is very hot
>>155008295this?
>>155008295Or maybe this?
>>154980581I guess they are kinda cute and very appealing.
>>155009438Not that I dislike it necessarily, but why does Jean have giant tits here?
>>155009909Peter needs to have more of a package
>>155010092For got picrel
>>155009840They should do a version with a big red bush
>>155008849.t NolandickriderMovie ran way too damn long and had too many flashbacks
>>155009909so she can feed the 6 children she gets
>>155008368She should tie up her hair with bangs more often
>>154989416>fake red head
>>155010904Found her hot. Also I prefer her blonde
>>155011087Of course I find her hot, she’s Emma Stone, but she’ll never have the charm of a real red head to me. That being said, the closest fake red head that does for me is Kristen Dunst, who i am excited to see in the new Minecraft movie
>>155011175I had no idea, she was my crush as a teenager! You have no idea how much cum I lost to her. I don't care about Minecraft but I may watch it just for her.
>>155011196Her Mary Jane was my favorite. She's always pulling on Peter’s heart strings in a way that makes Peter feel little. Tobey did a good job portraying that subtle awkwardness of “putting more effort” into a relationship.
>>155011387Non of the Peters so far have portrayed deep frustration and anger towards a woman yet. That would make SM2 and Brand New Day PERFECT to me. They need realistic scene like that, but I feel like chuds will feel justified at Peter’s sudden outburst towards women and reinforced negativity at anything female. You know the same entitlement cyclopsfan feel towards any woman
>>155008269>>155008317Odysseus talks to a vision of Athena throughout the movie. He's the only one who see's her and she responds very cryptically and largely shits on him for asking the gods for explanations or justice.The "twist" is that we eventually see in full what happened with the ravaging of Troy, and Zendaya shows up as a young Trojan woman whom the Greek behead inside Athena's temple. I don't recall if it was explicit, but my interpretation was she was a priestess. We're also shown them beheading a statue of Athena, but of course that might've been another weirdo schizo memory.The point is it's pretty obvious you're meant to interpret his visions of Athena as mostly his guilty self reflections about what he was responsible for given he's seeing a young woman they killed for really no reason. But it's not explicit, so it could also just be Athena taking her form, and the practical events of most of the Odyssey still happen, complete with magic and monsters and actually going to the Underworld to talk to dead people.
>>155008368>doesn't think dyed lighter bangs are the hottest shitgay
>>155011387The actual relationship is pretty shit and toxic, but I do have appreciate how obviously into Peter her Mary Jane was. That whole scene where she's trying to get Peter to actually admit he's into her has a nice coyness to it that also really gets across that she's pretty hot for him.
>>155011715They are not dyed its something with her powers>>155011694Thanks anon I had to take a piss during that part of the movie and must have missed it.Although there was still some other supernatural stuff like Zeus' thunder rumbling when he was freed from Calypso
>>155009438Yes that's the one. They should've gotten a bitch with big titties.
Sidebar >How competitively relevant and popular is Jean grey marvel rivals A very different character in the two portrayals but there is obvious cross over into a movie about an Xman fighting spiderman and also the punisher. All 3 characters in marvel rivals Spiderman is the canonical male choice in marvel rivals blender porn and fan favorite in-game so that direct feeder from Disneys personal fortnite machine is a lot more obvious. A small 2 hour movie about spiderman fighting 1 body swapper while processing his grief and problems of self identity making more money than the first avengers in a week can't be something they expected to happen. No way home had 3 spiderman, every fan favorite villain, and is a few days away from being overthrown from it's all time box-office slot.
>>155011810Same with the storm managing to kill all but Odysseus. But the gods still never actually appear, even though we otherwise see the monsters and get witches (technically Calypso is a goddess herself, if a minor one, but she's not treated as such in the movie).Point being it's entirely possible that the storm and the lightning and all that god shit is really just coincidence.
>>154988349>telling someone to grow up>on 4chan, of all places
