It mogs All--Star.
>>154999181I enjoy both comics.
>>154999181Odd that Superwoman is in a story where Jimmy dies. Yeah, it’s imaginary but still, that’s gotta gum up her future.
>>154999181if you're a retard maybe
>>154999217/threadyou don't have to do this memespeak vs bullshit
>>154999181>A love letter to Superman>Everyone dies lmao
>>154999181>Edgy Moore slop where characters kill an maim people
>>154999429>A love letter to SupermanNo, that's Supreme. This is more of a swan song for pre-Crisis Superman.>>154999457It's the tamest edgefest you'll ever read.
>>154999391You do to get a response here.It would have died by now otherwise.
Pre-Crisis>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Post-Crisis
>>154999457You sound like a pussy and a bitch
>>154999181Edgelord trash.
>>155001732>t. retard whose never read actual edgelord shit
>>154999181>see mom, comics aren't just for children! I TOLD you I was a big boy!: the comic
>>154999217NOOOOOOOOYOU CAN'T DO THAT
>>155001683>>155001744cringe
>>155001760>MOMMY THE BIG SCARY BRITISH MAN MADE MY WHOLESOME CHUNGUS SUPERMAN A LITTLE DARKER THAN NORMAL AAAIIIEEE SAVE ME
>>155001792>Noooo, I'm not going to engage with adult media, I'm just going to take my baby things and put blood and boobies in them, that will make the bullies at school like me!
muh meta deconstruction
>>155001868>deconstruction
>>155001732It's good if you read it as a black comedy and not as the nihilistic sobfest it was intended to be.
The story is just amateur edgy fluff, but the Curt Swan art is incredible.
>>155001913>amateurThis is why anti-Moore schizos are not taken seriously
>>155001931>schizosIndeed.
>>155001827Stfu, tranny
The story doesn't really hold up well and just seems like a nostalgia wank now. It was pretty shocking to see a story like this in 1986 but it's pretty tame by modern standards (in fact it was pretty tame by 1989).
>>155001958come here and make me, you insecure autistic manchild.
>>155001980I'm not you
>>155001931>it's alan moore so it can't be shoddy and amateurish
I remember Wizard magazine jerking this story off back in the day. Their praise basically boiled down to "holy shit, can you believe how dark and machoor this is??"
>>155001998He's written some misses for sure but calling FTMWHE amateur is just an absolutely insane statement when it's widely considered one of the greats.
>>155002038That’s every Moore story that’s supposedly good. They all hinge on him killing characters or doing some other edgy thing, like having the Joker rape Barbara Gordon and then have midgets make her father run naked on a leash thru a funhouse and look at pictures of the rape. When Killing Joke got made into a movie it was readily apparent the story just wasn’t there. It’s more of a series of events that just happens and Barbara’s rape is there just to add edge to the Joker.
>>154999181>mogs
>>155001792your self-own isn't the dab you think it is, sonny
>>154999181>legion of superheroes >final enemy is mr mzypolrkltfgbfgi disagree and i hate all-star
Another high-water mark Moore discussion.
It made an impact the first time I read it because it was so unexpected to see all this horrible shit happening with Curt Swan art. It’s certainly nicer to look at than All-Star. But even at the time it was noticeable that Lex Luthor barely does anything.The novelty wears off and the constant death and despair just gets tiresome, especially since it doesn’t fully fit with the happy ending. There are good ideas in it about how to end the classic Silver Age Superman era Moore loved, but I doubt he would have written it this way even a few years later, after he got tired of edgy superhero stories.
>>154999217FPBPIf you don't enjoy both you aren't a real comic reader
>>154999181Moore kinda makes fun of this comic in Supreme. The Jimmy Olsen stand-in is an edgy British comic book writer who brags about killing off the superhero he’s writing’s supporting cast.
>>154999181>actual story with a tight plot mogs le wacky schizophrenic Morrisonisms No shit Sherlock
>>155002597>The novelty wears off and the constant death and despair just gets tiresome, especially since it doesn’t fully fit with the happy endingThat's the point, it's sort of Superman rejecting allowing these awful things to happen. It's a statement that Superman shouldn't exist in such a world, not a tear down of it.
>mogs every Superman comic
>>155004111No
>>155002391No
>>155004115>>155004130Are you a bot?
>>155004111Checked. Still my favorite.
>>155004111>mogs every Superman comics
>>155005827Yes, it is funny how hard Moore-sama mogs the competition.
>>155000619Has anybody tried making an actual focused topic, as opposed to generality? That might be the factor you're looking for.
>>155005973I'm convinced most of the posts in this thread are OP switching phone IPs and having a schizo argument with himself
Unfortunatelly, despite the faithful art style, the comic is all "I'M GONNA SAVE THE DAY/DEFEAT YOU!", "yes, but THIS is YOUR weakness", "NOOOO", for like half the time while the second half is the same but with better fights until they finally defeat the guy, imo.Though I think the follow up comic they attached afterwards where he goes to space is better, I don't remember reading it properly..
>>155005877No
>>154999181>ends with all Superman's friends dying, and Superman being depressed about snapping Mzylplix's neck between dimensions>last panel is Clark Kent in disguise happy and winking at the cameraAm I missing something here, or is the ending supposed to be weird?
>>155005973I do it all the time. My threads almost never last, and the ones that did alright took a lot of time because most of the contributions were mine. I put in too much work for my threads to just die with a handful of replies. Any East vs West thread will rape the shit out of my best threads many times over.
>>155006261Jordan Elliot's wife's son is Superman 2.
>>155006261>Am I missing something here, or is the ending supposed to be weird?Superman commits suicide with the gold kryptonite at the end because he realizes that he is fundamentally incompatible with the dark anti heroes of the 1980s. All that is left is Clark Kent.
>>155006352>>155006489I see, but that doesn't make the ending any less tonally weird. There's only like 2 pages between a dead Krypto and a disguised Superman winking at the camera.
>>154999181why the FUCK did they choose Bolland to remade the cover
>>155004111I prefer the animated episode honestly.
>>155006535It's got the pacing of a lot of Silver age comics. It think it's supposed to be jarring.
>>155006535It's this scene but summed up in a wink.https://youtu.be/nL8hVXSDmNM
>>155006535The whole story is supposed to be feel mean spirited and off putting. Moore is basically saying, "This is what you want? You want a Superman without any of the fun?" He then proceeds to brutally murder the silver age staples of Superman comics. Curt Swan drawing it is supposed to create a weird cognitive dissonance. In the same way that it would if Dick Sprang drew The Dark Knight Returns.
>>155006604An attempt to make it feel more modern I suppose. More minimalist, no dialog, less of a background. It's pretty bad tho if you really look closely, like why is Green Lantern using his ring? Making the background characters more detailed also makes them feel more empty, like why is Captain Marvel smiling? The emotion is all gone
>>155006677Yeah, I don't get that. The comic is so much better. The episode felt pretty flat and left out some of the best parts of the comic.
Board is fast today.
>>155006261As others have said the entire comic isn't about what Moore wants for the Superman he knew but a visual representation of what certain creators and readers were intent be the fate for that Superman and all other pre-Crisis work.If people found it distasteful, congrats, you got the point, yet some have missed we're shown Clark slowly accepting the bleak dilemma of being unable to stop a higher power from breaking everything he knows on a shifting whim unless he breaks the principles he holds to put an end to it.He gives his resignation letter less to Lois and more to the creators and readers eager for this sort of thing.But, the wink at the end is Clark and Moore letting the rest who know the score that by nature of the Earth this takes place in this tragedy was only to dupe and appease the morbid curiosity of those like Mxyzptlk to look elsewhere once they're sated for however long. It's not the end.Superman knew, and you should realize, the Legion showing up to retroactively intervene in what would be a final, futile struggle without their delivered deus ex machina suggests all that seemed lost can always be saved.
>>155006822always thought that panel with supes screaming was inflated, but it isn't
>>155006766>In the same way that it would if Dick Sprang drew The Dark Knight Returns.They shoulda done this.
>>155006822I like that he's so pissed, he's yelling so loud that it's hurting Jason's ears. It's such a good little bit of visual storytelling.
>>155007758>were intent be the fate for that Superman and all other pre-Crisis work.I don't think the intention was to make Post crisis darker, comics had already been getting darker and darker by then, Moore was just working in that ecosystem than the person responsible for it. It was inevitable that Superman and other comics would get darker, Moore, despite referencing then-recent events like Brainiac's new robotic body, was still working off Silver Age conventions. Toyman had already been a killer for years by then(having killed the other Toyman seen in superfriends), but the story assumes the position that he's never killed before.
>>155007889Weirdly I kinda want to see that.
>>155007889>>155007946Here's at least his take on Bane
>>155008111I say, that Bane fellow is large in stature.
I like what *Whatever Happened* stands for. It takes these stories and gives them a sense of closure while still throwing in some Silver Age cynicism *Batman uses a steel chair* lol, that shit is hilarious
>>155006766Dude, if this were the Silver Age, the characters would be tortured and there’d be some lame boomer jokes. Moore is actually less of a jerk than the writers back then. “Superman tortures Jimmy, that’ll make for a great cover to sell comics.” Who’s the real villain, Moore for killing them off, or the Silver Age writers who tortured the characters for money?
I always found this luke warm at best.
>>155007916A gradual shift in the tone of stories always happens adjacent the spirit of the times without a sole instigating event, yes.So it didn't begin only with or after Crisis, sure, but Crisis is still the culmination of then present sensibilities placing the past on the pyre.There are history documentaries about counter culture elements brewing between the decade divides or a pivotal overthrow moment, so it's natural for art to imitate life.There's seemingly only room for one way of living in our world so a cultural fight to the death is always to be expected even if the necessity is always questionable in retrospect. The difference with fiction is writers can question if that same approach is necessary at all?For example, why did the Nu Lobo have to find and kill Old Lobo instead of just leaving well enough alone? Why did plans for 5G necessitate Superman and the old guard becoming failed or authoritarian and having to be removed and replaced? Results inconclusive.But DC's readership going unaffected by the return of the multiverse strongly suggests even if you find the premise and critique of Moore's essay undue and unfair the QED is still evidently; no.
>>155007889>>155007946>>155008111Me three. If Miller could do layouts and have Sprang do the rest of the art with Varley.
>>154999181>mogs1. You're retarded.2. They're both good.
>>155008872Got you to reply.
>>154999181People like it just because of Moore's name attached to it.Has some cool parts but is overall mediocre >NOOOOOOOO ITS WRITTEN BY ALAN MOORE YOU HAVE TO LIKE IT*yawn*
>>155009696Yes, and?
>>154999181Mogs Alan Moore
>>155004111I saw the JLU episode first so it was funny seeing how much Robin did in the comic, he was the secondary protag pretty much
>>155009941Nope.
