>le Sally Acorn is so hot>Sonic should definitely support and be royalty despite it going against his whole character>Have you heard about Rotor Walrus yet>le Mobius is a good name>Here's Sleet The Wolf who totally isn't knockoff Fang> Here's my 200 Echidna OCs that I'm later going to sue for>le Super Sonic is a evil schizo> Did I tell you how hot Sally was yet> Who cares about Tails when you have Sonic but he's green and a generic surfer dude>Have you heard about Timantha Turner yetHow the hell can anyone like this garbage?
>>155001350JP LARPer Mindset>MUH CANON>NOOOOOOO DIFFERENT ITERATIONS AREN'T ALLOWED TO BE DIFFERENT >IAN FLYNN IS THE LITERAL DEVIL AND LITERALLY RAPED ME>I LOVE CORPORATE DICK SO MUCH>MY PERSONALITY IS 'BEING AN ANNOYING ASS WHO YELLS AT PEOPLE FOR NOT TAKING THE CARTOON RAT AS SERIOUSLY AS I DO'>ARCHIEARCHIEARCHIEARCHIEARCHIEARCHIEARCHIEARCHIEARCHIE>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Yeah...I'm going to hang out with Mario.
>>155001350>Have you heard about Timantha Turner yetSo tootieschizo is also making these threads? Makes sense.
>>155001350Japanese Sonic fan mindset>Nothing's cooler than being homeless>What do you mean there is no canon and every game is basically a soft reboot? The Starfall Islands are totally just a few miles away from Spagonia! Probably. I bet.>Henry Gordon is so cool.>I can't wait to see what Anton Veruca gets up to next.>You know what Sonic really needs? More new friends that are then promptly shelved and not used for a decade!>I hope Blade of Courage keeps focusing on the humans.>Continuing narrative? Ew. No, Sonic needs to speed off to someplace completely different and new as soon as he's done and never go back to see the lasting consequences of his actions or hear from any of the characters he met. He's the wind...>Did I mention how cool Henry was?>Have you heard about Metrostri and Ai yet?
the jp vs us sonic debate is really just shippers arguing about their rights
anti-shippers aren't ready to confront the fact they are equally obsessed with shipping.for example, they will bring up shipping when it hasn't even been mentioned.
>>155001921The opening of the thread attacks Sonally, a ship. You can go ahead and argue that this is because Sonic canonically is disinterested in romance but the fact of the matter is the first words you see in this thread intentionally draw attention to shipping
>>155001932>The opening of the thread attacks Sonally,the opening of the thread calls Sally hot, nothing about a ship.> the fact of the matter is the first words you see in this thread intentionally draw attention tohow hot Sally is.
>>155001350No one cares about your tsundere feelings for Sally Acorn
These threads are literally all bait. Archie is a comic, Satam is a cartoon. The person posting these threads knows that /co/ is a comic and cartoon board meaning those are on the level.They create a new thread once every few days about how the comics and cartoons mischaracterized Sonic, then spam sega statements on the old american canonIn an objective sense, you are right. Sega of Japan doesn't like the "Freedom Fighter" continuities due to their canon deviations. WhateverYou don't need to make a thread about it every other day. You don't need to be upset on Sega's behalf that a mascot was given the wrong personality in a comic book. This is utterly obnoxious and I feel sorry for the people who actualy fall for this
>>155001350>>155001894Who the hell are half of these characters?
>>155001978>Sega of Japan doesn't like the "Freedom Fighter" continuitiesuntil they got desperate and went >ME TOO ME TOO ME TOOwith Forces.>You don't need to be upset on Sega's behalf that a mascot was given the wrong personalitywhat makes OP even more ridiculous is these things were being made went Sonic's entire 'personality' boiled down to>Impatient blue hedgehog that likes running and continuously fights an egg.
>>155001894>Sonic is a reincarnation story about some old pilot dying and being reborn as Sonic the fucking Hedgehog
>>155002015Better than the shitshow it became.
>>155002010don't you recognize everyone's favorite Sonic character, random little human girl on the street?boy, when a piece of Sonic media starts focusing on humans, you know it's going to be great.
>>155002032>boy, when a piece of Sonic media starts focusing on humans, you know it's going to be great.>SA2Yeah
>>155002032Why did you crop out her retarded giant size 90 shoes
>>155002012I totally understand people who hate mischaracterization but the crux of this argument is literally attacking a different canon from a different medium that was canceled ten years ago. OP is childish These people basically got what they wanted.
>>155002032>focusing on humans in sonic inherently badExplain Maria's popularity, then
>>155002042can't tell if you're being serious or not, Maria, Gerald and the president together got less than 3 minutes of screentime.
>>155002087>I have not played the games, read the comics, or watched the shows btw
>>155002074>Explain Maria's popularity, thenexplain why people love to see her die.
Humans existing to fill out the world like the adventure games is not the same as humans literally being main characters like in Sonic X and 06
>>155002097>>I have not played the gamesi could tell, you didn't even know how often the human characters actually show up.>read the comics, or watched the shows.i get it, you love Henry Gordon and Chris Thorndyke.
>>155002015>Sonic was originally a normal hedgehog that turned blue by going too fast. Also Robotnik used to be a good guy named Kintobor who turned evil due to a rotten egg.
i grew up in the 90s/2000s in the UK, i went from the Mega Drive games to the GameCube ones. i found it weird Sonic was talking/on Earth all of a sudden, but whatever.i had no concept of Sonic having some sort of 'story' outside of this one Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog video i had (which sadly didn't include the PSAs in the UK release).even on the internet, people were just making sprite comics using the game characters and their OCs. yet this whole time, there was this whole elaborate story with Freedom Fighters and Princess Sally and a Cyborg bunny and shit...? lol wut.
Humans being major characters is not a bad thing. ... God I miss Topaz. >>155002012>>Sega of Japan doesn't like the "Freedom Fighter" continuities>until they got desperate and went>>ME TOO ME TOO ME TOO>with Forces.This. The fucking hypocrisy is disgusting.
>>155002180You didn't know about the Fleetway comics?
>>155001350OP, i'm giving you a name. Sonic + Weeaboo. Sonaboo. Sonaboo shall be your name going forward.Sonaboo, take your meds.
>>155002180the post above you is making fun of the early, early US Sonic bible. but the US didn't actually wind up going with that story.the UK did.
>>155002190Sega of Japan doesn't hate anything in particular about western Sonic, they're just angry when they don't get the credit for it.
>>155002231He doesn't work for them anymore but Naka openly hates everything about western Sonic. Even Underground
>>155002241>NakaCase subject number one. I bet he still masturbates to the idea of being carried around by an enormous big titted blonde whore.
>>155002231>>155002241Iizuka is also on record saying he doesn't like Boom.
>>155002231That is a sadly common thing with Japanese executives. They're super fucking butthurt about anything popular that they can't, as you say, take credit for. And then once they disallow that element, they make a bootleg version and claim to be geniuses. Actual brat behavior.
>>155002032Yeah and this thing is way better
>>155002261Iizuka is more reasonable than Naka. Otherwise there wouldn't be IDW characters in the games.
>>155002261Blue arms?
>>155002241Yuji Naka is a convicted criminal and well known scumbag. I don't know why anyone pretends to care what he thinks. >>155002257To be absolutely fair though... glass houses.
>>155002284yeah wow all those episodes the kraken appeared in, what a SatAM staple
>>155002206i didn't, this shit is like some 2010s Mandela effect to me. even the British comics, where the hell did kids buy them? some newsagents would have 2000 A.D. but i always felt like comics were more of a newspaper/magazine feature over here.>>155002219oh yeah i read the PDF, some very strange choices tbqh. i'm guessing the author was thinking of it more in terms of e.g. Beatrix Potter or Winnie the Pooh?i just knew from the instruction manual it took place on some planet called Mobius, Sonic was out to stop the evil Dr Robotnik (is his name even IN the original games?)
>>155002309I like the tantrum that little pissflake threw when roundeye started using his precious Nights engine.
They say Naka is an intimidating guy irl
>>155002272As if America doesn't do the exact same thing.
>>155002330>(is his name even IN the original games?)no. fun fact: he's never actually been called Robotnik in ANY Japanese game.even though they did go with Robotnik for Gerald and Maria's name. the characters will got out of their way to not call Eggman 'Robotnik'.
My only real issue with sonic fans are the kids who jumped in around sonic adventure 2, that hate everything that came before adventure 1. That and zoomers and gen a that found the adventures of sonic the hedgehog, and think it to be some secret meme gem and become malicious when they discover that the more beloved other cartoon was just a bread and butter fantasy scifi cartoon. Not everyone thar likes adventure 2 oneard or adventures is a dick, but it sure feels like those two things bread dicks that make these threads. Look, I'm sorry that the Saturday morning cartoon wasnt a spumco rip off. And I'm sorry you started wirh Adventure 2 and you think that is deep great writing and you hate what came before for being different. I get it. But gen x and y aren't at fault for you wanting sick sonic memes and more adventure games. Stop making these fucking threads because you want to punish older fans. We all know the archie comic eventually got bad around the time of all the echidnia OCs. And the Saturday morning cartoon was only good for the time. We all know this. A lot of people stopped reading the comic around issue 75. It peeked at mecha madness. Get off our backs.
>>155002358i'm not getting this comparison, anon, it seems unhinged. they're not alike, neither in personality nor physical appearance.
>>155001350>le Super Sonic is a evil schizoThat was Fleetway, not Archie.
>>155002365Anon's making up people to be mad at in his head again.
>>155002342Oh god, the Sonic X-Treme thing. That's what engines are FOR, dawg! Why get pissy that someone saw your template and decided it was a good one to use? And this dude calls himself a game dev.
>>155002394Ok smart guy, you tell me who keeps making these threads to piss and moan about the existence of the US Saturday comic and archie comic.and what are their motivations
>>155002365What I find funny about Mecha Madness is that Ken Penders had nothing to do with it. It was all Mike Gallagher and Spaz. But nobody ever mentions Gallagher. His stories were all really fun. He was the real star of the early Archie comics.
>>155002383He seemingly combined multiple pieces of Western Sonic stuff in his post. He even had cheap schizobait at the end.
>>155002359wait did they not adopt the Robotnik name for SA2? i thought they had American writers working with the Japanese team for that one?so is it Eggman and his crazy grandfather Eggman-jiisan, or some shit?as i've gotten older, i appreciate a good localisation more and more (just look at the Pokemon names). 'Eggman' sounds ridiculous as a name in English, it's already English loan words in Japanese. doesn't make sense keeping that in English, any more than calling the hedgehog 'Sonikku' or something.
>>155002383Well, not outside that one issue anyway. It's a real shame that the Fleetway cameos caused such a kerfuffle. It was meant to be a nice little tribute that got misconstrued as poaching. This is why communication is important, people.
>>155002359Sonic Triple Trouble has a level called "Robotnik Winter Zone"
>>155002482Nobody counts the Game Gear games for anything, especially not Sega.
>>155002359Really stupid name if you're eastern euro. Doctor Worker. Forget all that bullshit about 'Green Hill Zone' and get you ass back to the Construction Zone
>>155002466I thought the cameo that really pissed Sega off was the OVA Sonic and "Metal Robotnik" appearing.
>>155002459>wait did they not adopt the Robotnik name for SA2?not for Eggman. he is NEVER called Robotnik in ANY Japanese game. just Gerald and Maria, and even then only Eggman says it. everyone else just calls them 'Professor Gerald' or "Maria'.Shiro Maekawa is the only credited writer.
>>155002512what, is Eggman a really cool name if you're eastern Euro? lots of Beatles fans over there?
How nice of Amy to bring her girlfriend to the concert. >>155002514No no, I'm talking about when Fleetway got pissed off because they thought Archie was stealing their characters. But yeah, Sega did get pissy because the 100th issue featured a blink and you miss it cameo from Sarah and Metal Robotnik. I swear, Sega executives just want to be mad at nothing.
>>155002623Didn't this start a flamewar between Fleetway and Archie fans?
>>155002620Hey I never said Eggman is betterThough I guess it may seem better if you're a kid, because it's in English, so it sounds foreign and exotic, and you probably don't understand what it means so you don't see that it, too, is stupid as hell
hello Sonic weirdosare there any dogs in the Sonic universe? there are two radically different cats, why no dogs?(picrel doesn't count)
>>155002518>The big SA2 cutscene of Eggman declaring his plan to PISS ON THE FUCKING MOON>Can clearly read "ROBOTNIK EMPIRE" in the various text scrolls behind himThe gist I got is that the rest of Sega had no issues with calling him Robotnik. Only Iizuka has a stick up his ass about burying that name completely.
>>155002731>>Can clearly read "ROBOTNIK EMPIRE"that's the thing, it's text only and i can only think of 2 times in the ENTIRE franchise that even happened.no character has ever spoken the name 'Robotnik' in regards to Eggman. it's strange how much the JP games dance around it.
>>155002700Yep
>this is the tiny, one panel cameo of Sara that made Sega of Japan shit and pee and puke in seething rage
OH MY GOD, NOBODY CARES. Ivo "Eggman" Robotnik. Why is this STILL an argument anyone has? Fuck OFF.
Things were better in this fandom when Sega didn't care what spinoff media did
>>155002428>What I find funny about Mecha Madness is that Ken Penders had nothing to do with it. It was all Mike Gallagher and Spaz. But nobody ever mentions GallagherPender's being a weirdo is fun for people to gossip about
>>155002805It's funny that people argue about it when this was the one American thing Yuji Naka liked. In fact he was the one who came up with the idea that Robotnik was the real name and Eggman was an insult
>>155002700Yes. This is an actual character. And yes, that is his actual name. >>155002787Oh, god, fucking cursed reboot Muttski. Just... why?
>>155002788Context?
>>155002788it was probably a rights issue.they can't even use those ghost characters without permission, and they were made by an animation studio that SEGA themselves own or something.
>>155002838>In fact he was the one who came up with the idea that Robotnik was the real name and Eggman was an insultsource?because that was literally just one line from SA1. and that line is totally different in the JP version. and he even starts calling himself Eggman in the English dub of SA2.
>>155002840This was one of those multiverse stories. I forget the context, but for a brief moment, the OVA crossed into Archie due to a dimensional shift.
>>155002840Archie thought it would be safe to have cute reference to the OVA but wasn’t aware that Sega didn’t have the full rights to it and Toei got pissy. A similar situation would happen later when Tekno got snuck into a crowd of characters and Fleetway got pissy over it. Sega and not owning shit goes hand in hand.
>>155002875Naka said that Robotnik is the real name and Eggman is an insult in the same interview where he said Sonic eats big macs
>>155002955do you have any idea what year that might have been or in what publication or literally anything?
>>1550029613003I heard he said it before in 1997 but no source
>>1550029612002 I think. I pretty sure that it was in EGM or a similar magazine.
>>155002788Sega doesn't own Sara. They can't use characters they didn't make
>>155002978>>155002979found it, but he doesn't say anything about it being his idea.and even if he did, there's plenty of stories about Naka claiming credit for shit that's not his so...
>>155002466Or ye know just hire sane in the head secure people and not obese fatlards that finished special education.Sega are retards who are both nepotistic and too soft at the same time.
>>155001350>Sonic should definitely support and be royalty despite it going against his whole characterMost of the people who bitch about Archie don't read the fuckin book. Sonic butting heads with the Kingdom's monarchy (and later democracy) orders happened several times throughout the book
>>155002999You’d think that sort of thing would’ve been caught by Sega before printing but then again you had ABT sneaking Sally into the Forces prequel comics so I guess nothing really changed over the years.
>>155003071He got married. Ooc
>>155002946>Sega and not owning shit goes hand in hand.What the actual fuck is wrong with SEGA? Just pay the fucking rights, faggot. Such cheapskates.This is why they don't own the full music rights to Sonic 2 and SOMEONE ELSE (Sony) had to rebuy them for the movies.
>>155001350>>155001350>le Sally Acorn is so hotNo, but Bunnie is.>Sonic should definitely support and be royalty despite it going against his whole characterNo that part sucks.>Have you heard about Rotor Walrus yetHe sucks too.>le Mobius is a good nameIt's fine.>Here's Sleet The Wolf who totally isn't knockoff FangI don't think anyone knows who that even is.>Here's my 200 Echidna OCs that I'm later going to sue forEveryone hates that.>le Super Sonic is a evil schizoSure, why not?>Did I tell you how hot Sally was yetSally sucks nobody cares.>Who cares about Tails when you have Sonic but he's green and a generic surfer dudeScourge sucks.I don't even want to know what the last point is about
>>155003150The future stories are non-canon alt timelines
>>155003071What about Sonic Underground and SatAM through?
>>155003071>Sonic face consequences for his actions>other characters not worshiping at his feet>actual conflict between the heroesWe need to go back.
>>155003189What about Sonic 06?
>>155001894>Henry Gordon is so cool.The stupid Bomber Jacket/Children's Book origin *is* cool. It desperately wants to be Spielberg and that's really charming, just like Britain's weirdo take with the rotten egg and siphoning of all evil.>Muh continuityWho gives a shit, let blue Mickey do new things
>>155003155>to Sonic 2Worse. They don’t own the music to Sonic 1, 2, and half of Sonic 3.
>>155003215I forget about 06 but that game as well.
>>155003189The kingdom is dismantled in both series
>>155002032>Sonic meeting weird randos and dealing with their bullshit is BAD.Not a fan of StC, I take it.
>>155001350>>Have you heard about Rotor Walrus yetIntroducing a reasonably aged tech guy had better sense than throwing it onto Tails, resulting in him losing his gameplay and ending up in a Mech in SA2, then swinging back and forth between being a helpless kid or tech support in cutscenes.>Timantha TurnerBack to your shitposting habits then? I'm sure that won't further sour things.
>>155003181That last point is making fun of a schizo who thinks that's he friends with the Fleetway Sonic and is running a badly run storytime of it. Also >bro doesn't know what Sonic Underground is.
>>155002241Yuji Naka hates Oshima for telling him to not abuse their employees, Lmao>>155002261>Approach a bunch of new people who convinced the higher ups they should get your budget and marketing for the next decade.>They refuse to respect your input.>Nearly destroys your career, as well as your entire team's, after almost a decade of damage control and regaining public trust.I can't even blame him. It's not about the content.
>>155003309>I don't wanna know>NO NO NO YOU HAVE TO KNOW LET ME TELL YOUok asshole
>*POMF*>W-what are we gonna do on the mat, Honey-chan?
>>155003329>Honey finally becomes a character after decades>CancellationMy fault for liking an obscure waifu I guess
>>155002365You seem agitated that people think the Saturday morning cartoon you grew up with was bad.
>>155003355They replaced her with Trip.The writers could just design a new Classic girl that's similar since comics Honey is a completely original character aside from design and job anyway.
Everyone in this thread needs to rethink their life choices
>>155003184Bullshit
>>155002428DeCesare > Gallagher = Bollers > Fulop > Gabrie > Penders
>>155003229maybe it's a 'deep cut' or whatever, but they couldn't pay the Jetzons dude some royalties, then have his track on the radio in that Siberia scene?or, ideally, just the actual game music playing during the snowboarding scene?not that you HAVE to be 'source loyal' with vidya jingles, but it would have been nice. they chopped up 'Live & Learn' a little, but at least it was there.
>>155003386You're here too
Mania btfo the japs forever and weebs never recovered.Take the fangame pill.
>>155003355One day, anon. One day.
>>155003407Rights are complicated and even broaching a conversation gives the other party a leg to stand on to sue you.
>>155003407Brad Buxer was a moocher who wanted to profit off of being even the slightest bit associated with MJ, and Sega wasn't going to give him a dime for it.
The only Sonic characters are the ones in the actual games. None of these spinoff secondarys matter at all.
Sigh... I miss Nicole. I miss her a lot.
>>155003407The rights to S3’s tracks are infinitely more expensive than the S1+2 ones they couldn’t bother to license. No way in hell. Speaking of Live and Learn, Sega apparently didn’t own the rights to the original recording either.
>>155003469i can't blame the guy, honestly. the music industry is a clusterfuck but he didn't know recycling his jingle would end up THIS big, they'd be considering it 30 years later.besides, for every story about someone negotiating a percentage or royalties, there's some wagie who just received their salary. it DOES suck for them tbqh.
>>155003524did they use some sampling law to get around it?there's like half the chorus in the film, and the song is by JUNKIE XL, it just happens to contain most of the Crush 40 song.
>>155003363>You seem agitated that people think the Saturday morning cartoon you grew up with was bad.Its just tired shit, boss
>Sega doesn't own this, Sega doesn't own thatWatch, it's gonna turn out at some point that they don't actually won the rights to the Sonic IP at all, and have been running the biggest IP fraud scam in history.
>>155001350
>>155003570Paramount got the vocalist’s blessing beforehand. Apparently he wasn’t aware of the fact that Sega had been reusing the recording in later titles and spin-offs.
>>155003612Imagine the shitshow
>>155003623>Apparently he wasn’t aware of the fact that Sega had been reusing the recording in later titles and spin-offs.Of course he didn't. Sega has zero communication.
>>155003509She's cute but she was a boring crybaby waifubait character.
>>155003659many such cases
>>155003683The word they're looking for is awkward.
>>155003632Fucking imagine public domain Sonic. I want it so bad.
>>155003549MJ's death brought all sorts of people out of the woodwork hoping for a slice of his legendary and in some ways infamous reputation. After the whole mess with Penders, it seemed to me like Sega simply didn't want to dragged into another legal headache and buried Sonic 3 to avoid it.
>>155001350>Western>Sonic FanRedundant statement. Sonic does not exist in Japan
>>155001894>I hope Blade of Courage keeps focusing on the humans.Disgusting. But true.
>>155003811>he isn't with the times
>>155003804It wasn’t just MJ, it was also Brad Buxer.
>>155003811>>155003821
>>155003860Buxer was one of the moochers. MJ had no problems with Sega using his work for Sonic 3 (partly because he wasn't satisfied with it and disavowed credit), but once he died, Brad was all over Sega trying to demand money because he and MJ worked together once.
>>155003893Kek!
>>155003221>Who gives a shit, let blue Mickey do new thingswhy are you telling me that instead of the OP?
Archie Sonic is never coming back
>>155004113no shit
>>155003254>Sonic sticking around a location so you can actually see events play out over an extended period is BAD.what's wrong with wanting something with more depth and stakes than 'adventure of the week'?
>>155003310>>They refuse to respect your input.i can't even blame them. Lost World and Sonic 4 weren't exactly grand slams.>>Nearly destroys your career.nah, Sonic Team was doing that just fine all on their own, and then went right back to it after Boom with Forces.
>>155004123Nothing, but clearly you aren't Sega.
>>155004113>zombie Archie is never coming backThank god. Dead is better.
>>155004178Archiefag here, It should have died with the pendering.
>>155004123Sonic is a drifter that lives for adventure and gets bored easily because he perceives the world faster.
>>155002787This change was "blue arms" levels of autism.
>>155004195that's boring, because it results in nothing BUT 'adventure of the week'
>>155003811He really doesn't. I asked a Japanese foreign exchange student what he thought of Sonic and he had zero clue who he was.
>>155004190It should have died before introducing all of the Sonic Adventure era autism.
>>155004216Do you need more than that from a blue hedgehog? Worked out just fine for AoStH and the games
What happened to the guy who storytimed all those Sonic fancomics a few years ago?
>>155004258>Worked out just fine for AoStH and the gamesbut it also worked out just fine for SatAM and Archie.
>>155004299
>>155004313
>>155004123I thought we were talking about meeting randos. You don't have to travel to meet randos.
>>155004296SatAM was as much "adventure of the week" as the games and AoStH. It's only at the very end when Robotnik gets nuked and new threats are teased does anything progress, except it never does since that's when the show got cancelled.
>>155004367no, i'm talking about being able to tell an extended narrative without the need for Sonic to bail and zoom off to somewhere completely different, with completely different randos.
>>155004157>Lost WorldThat came out after Boom started production, anon.I'm not saying Sonic Team is amazing (Sonic 4 was Dimps and meant to be a phone game before people higher up did a stupid marketing stunt but whatever), but Iizuka has real reason to be bitter.
>>155001743
>>155004395No, actually, you said this>>155002032>don't you recognize everyone's favorite Sonic character, random little human girl on the street?To which I replied you must hate StC, because it's full of characters like this. I'm not talking about travel. That wasn't our convo. I'm talking about randos.
>>155004391Hurst talked several times about how linking the episodes together with a overarching narrative was something other Saturday morning cartoons 'didn't really try to do.'there is a new adventure every week, but there are also familiar locations and a clear throughline for the story. compare that to the games, where every new game is basically a soft reboot.
>>155004190I thought Leah's reboot stories were really good.
>>155003923The mental image of Japanese gamers preferring Whisper over Sonic is fucking hilarious.
>>155004439Yeah, and Ben was full of shit. Fucking Ducktales, Transformers and TMNT had more long term storytelling and payoff than SatAM. Season 2 has a broad objective of "we have to gather other Freedom Fighters!" but doesn't actually have a narrative through line. It's a bunch of scattered random plots. That's why when Lupe and the other useless chucklefucks show up in the season finale they just get caught immediately: there was no actual narrative built up for them.
>>155004489Whisper a cute
>>155003310>>They refuse to respect your input.Izuka's the one who made Heroes and the two worlds thing. Fuck his input.
>>155004400>That came out after Boom started production, anon.Boom started production as an origin story called Synergy, anon.it didn't start becoming the Boom we know until after SEGA made a deal with Nintendo to put out a few games for them, which i'm pretty sure was after Lost World released.there used to be a dev timeline that laid everything out but i can't find it anymore, i wonder if it was expunged.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6Ho0gA895o
>>155004527Lost World was one of the three games that Sega and Nintendo made the deal for. That, Olympics, and Boom.
>>155004527>which i'm pretty sure was after Lost World released.https://www.nintendo.com/en-gb/News/2013/May/Nintendo-announces-exclusive-partnership-with-SEGA-for-upcoming-Sonic-the-Hedgehog-games-757496.html
>>155004503>Boco having taste for once in his lifeAnd here's where you follow up with something stupid to undermine the barest scrap of respect anyone could hypothetically have for you.
>>155004426>No, actually, you said thisnow let's look at what i said that in response to.>>155002010>Who the hell are half of these characters?which in turn was a response to a post i made deriding the focus on human characters in Sonic media, just like i did in the post you've linked there. the point there had nothing to do with 'randos', which you can tell because 'randos' are never brought up. it was with a focus on human characters.>That wasn't our convo.i'm starting to think you decided to jump into the middle of a convo you were never a part of.
>>155004607>UH UH UH IT DOESN'T COUNT BECAUSE--Faggot.You tried to deflect and failed, fuck off.
>>155004014I wouldn't mind the Rouge censorship if they would at least make up their mind and stick to a decision. Sometimes she has boobs, sometimes she doesn't. Sometimes she has cleavage, sometimes she doesn't.
>>155004636Sometimes she's white as snow, sometimes she's orange, sometimes she light brown. Fuck it, do whatever.
>>155004636Its an artist thing. Adam Bryce Thomas, bless him, is unabashedly horny.
>>155004607You know there are humans in StC, right
>>155004652I think that's more related to him having a physiological need to give the Sonic girls big boobs, with only Sega keeping him under control.He still manages to sneak in some boobage from time to time, though.
>>155004548>>155004545found it.https://tcrf.net/Prerelease:Sonic_Boom:_Rise_of_Lyric>deal is made May 17 2013>Lost World released October 2013>Synergy is changed to Boom March or April 2014i knew i wasn't crazy.
>>155004666Extremely based
>>155004625>Please don't call me out for not being able to follow the conversation and let me wail on this strawman insteadlol no, choke on my fat cock
>>155004666>Tanned skin and allThere! “Tanned”. That's the fucking key word here.
>>155004663and i stand by my statement.
>>155004651The whitewashing nonsense is what pisses me off. She's literally modeled after J-Lo. >>155004666Motherfucker, I was about to post that.
>>155004439What overarching narrative? Almost all the episodes were a self-contained plot of any of the following:>Mission to Robotropolis>Finding new allies>Random antics in Knothole VillageSonic and the FF weren't allowed to actually win against Robotnik, at best only shoo him off when he starts getting too close to wiping them out. Thus was the status-quo for two whole seasons.
>>155004711The designs were finalized before February 2014, anon. Part of Iizuka's involvement was discussion on designs and tone, which is where the infamous "he cried about giving Knuckles pants" quote comes from.You're conflating the timeline of a branding name change being implemented in dev builds with what's going on behind the scenes in terms of setting up a license.
>>155004742>"I just want a conversation but also I refuse to engage in one also suck my cock"I'm sure you're fooling somebody.
>>155001894>>What do you mean there is no canonJapanese Sonic fans don't give a shit about canon. The OVA, Sonic X and the current manga are blatantly non canon.
>>155004234>I asked a Japanese foreign exchange student what he thought of Sonic and he had zero clue who he was.Japanese people can be surprisingly oblivious to things in japan. They probably started the zoomer trend of being obsessed with your own little world and being ignorant of shared culture. Like Macross is presented as second to Gundam but you can ask a random japanese person about it and they know nothing about it. They might know who minmei is because she looks like an idol.
>>155004651Skin tone differences are usually just because of different saturation and lighting in the games.
Only people raised in Bible culture care about "canon".
>>155004652>>155004706ABT stands for 'AYO, BIG TIDDIES!'.
>>155004812No, they actually are different colored textures from game to game, she's the most inconsistent of the lot. The comics especially ping pong on it but tend towards orange, much like how they tend to make Eggman more ginger than brunette.
>>155004760>Sonic and the FF weren't allowed to actually win against Robotnikbut they literally win against Robotnik in the end. they also get small victories here and there, as Ben also pointed out Len Janson's philosophy of 'wins and losses'.are you seriously pointing out that the heroes didn't defeat the villain in the middle of the season or something?ya why didn't Leo just cut off Shredder's head in like episode 3? instead we get 10 years of Shredder only being thwarted!
By the way, Amy, I see you trying get all up in that. There's no other reason your face needs to be right there. You ain't slick.
>>155004838Yeah, at the very end when they were going to replace Robotnik with new enemies. Everything before that wasn't a real lasting win, just a delaying tactic to keep him at bay until the next episode.
>>155004838>Skips the slightly more substantive post in order to nitpick the phrasing of the other post.lmao
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DlMoJ2V6ukhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sO4vI8P88NMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cy42sn8-Wcs
>>155004867I know anon is going to act like this is insanity or whatever, but both Nigel and Ian wrote stories where Sonic and the doctor gained or lost ground in the conflict. It's part of what people praise about their work.
>>155004666My problem with the statement is that I feel it has been grossly misrepresented ever since it resurfaced at the height of the “I just love Latinas” meme.Starting with her being “slightly sexy”, many of Rouge's elements were already pretty much established through a lot of trial and error (as seen in the Nails the Bat concept art), but it wasn't until the final draft that the Latina sexiness helped finish her off. Despite that, some people try to push a narrative that she was planned as a Latina character, when that was never the case.
>>155004439>Hurst talked several times about how linking the episodes together with a overarching narrative was something other Saturday morning cartoons 'didn't really try to do.'>there is a new adventure every week, but there are also familiar locations and a clear throughline for the story.>compare that to the games, where every new game is basically a soft reboot.Eh, that might be almost true for 1993https://saturday-morning-broadcast-archives.fandom.com/wiki/1993X-men kind of had a story. Things were mixed back in the day because of how cartoons were produced. You'd have a couple scripts at one time and then send those to japan and Korea and have them made at the same time. Even something like goof troop with US, French, Australian, korean, etc studios, were making episodes at the same time. So it was difficult to have a plot that built. The big players would srill attempt a little of it. Transformers some how managed to squeeze out a story with a start and ending for Optimus and Hot Rod. Ducktales did a little. Tmnt did a little. But you'd also have long stretches of episodes thar could be played out of order. Despite what he is saying, sonic ended up in the same boat. You can play most of Saturday morning sonic in any order. Maybe he wanted a world building and a plot thar built but most episodes end where they started.
Team Dark CGI
>>155004827>>155004865>ABT even gave Amy big titsI know she can have them, depending on the art and game, but dude... based
>>155004775>The designs were finalized before February 2014, anon.i don't know about 'finalized,' anon. looks like they still had some tweaking to do.
>>155004889That's extremely specific semantics when the point is that the intention of the character in her debut game was to be a sassy, fiery, sexy lady with foreign flair. When it entered the design isn't important to why it's brought up.
>>155004492>Season 2 doesn't have a narrative through line as long as I ignore all the narrative through lines about Time Stones, Deep Power Stones, the gathering of other freedom fighters, the dragons, and all the other through lines.hmm i see
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>>155004927Thank you for again proving my point that game dev does not move in perfect lockstep with licensing. We got the promo image of the final designs in February of 2014. This model is from earlier revisions before that finalization. When that asset was removed from the game has nothing to do with the character concept and design process.
>>155004821explain the japanese
>>155004944>Season 2 doesn't have a narrative through line as long as I ignore all the narrative through lines about Time StonesThe items that show up in a single two-parter story and never again, not even referenced?Damn, that's definitely not a perfect example of the point I'm making.
>>155004901Remember though, not friends. Even though they hang out all the time, and display camaraderie, and goe to birthday parties together, and care about each others' feelings, etc. Totally not friends though.
>>155004937Current Twitter Sonic art seems like it came from the Black Loud House threads, lmfao
>>155004888For the comics, yes, but SatAM really didn't have that same luxury. In the end, it was an episodic show, and part of it meant that they couldn't really alter the setting of "Robotnik rules the world" as that would end the whole show>>155004944The stones were 1-2 episode MacGuffins, the other FFs as mentioned amounted to nothing, and everybody fucking hated Dulcy.
>>155004981I have never, ever, heard of Japanese fans of anything complaining about “canon”American fans will tear eachother apart over shit like Dragon Ball canon then they ask Toriyama and he says “I dunno, I never thought of that.”
>>155004935It's not really about semantics. I'm specifically objecting to the idea that Rouge was planned as a Latina character.The statement says they wanted to create a “slightly sexy” character and only for the final draft decided to borrow some of the sexiness of Latina women, specifically J-Lo, as a hint.It also never says that “foreign flair” was one of their intentions. If the point is simply that Latina women influenced her final design, then sure, the statement supports that. But that's different from saying she was conceived as a Latina from the outset.
I've never been super into sonic stuff but I thought I may as well ask here: What's the whole deal with Silver? People clearly like to protay in fanart like there's some sort of Sonic Shadow Silver trinity but doesn't Silver not do a whole lot. If anything it should be Blaze there, shouldn't it? That's kind of what I remember rush setting up back in the day at least
>>155004873happy now?
>>155002365Mecha madness is fucking mid
>>155005007Does anybody has the Potential Man Silver meme? I think that will answer this anon.
>>155004986Dese furries wuz KANGS!!>>155004985Agreed overall, though your pic is from a short where they were trying to make it seem like they really didn’t care about eachother. They must have quit with that at some point
>>155005007He's a character that no longer serves any purpose but keeps coming back because some guy at Sonic Team really likes him.
>>155004958>Thank you again for proving my point that Boom was actively being changed and worked on after Lost World released, as proven by the date I've just given.but, anon, that was my point. also>The design of a character has nothing to do with character design.uh ok
>>155004985It's a marketing thing and it's so tiring that you spergs can't put simple ideas together.Shadow isn't the kind of guy who says he has friends. He doesn't pal around or take time off to chat. He's edgy and focused on fights and other anime crap. They aren't saying he doesn't trust them more than other people, they're saying he isn't as attached as "friendship" implies and that he's often doing his own thing.
>>155004989>but SatAM really didn't have that same luxury.There is literally nothing stopping the scripts from writing in and acknowledging proper wins and losses. Other cartoons did this. You can't keep capping for Ben just because he talked his work up.
>>155005007He is, fortunately or unfortunately, more popular than people give him credit for. This year, for the first time in a while, a lot of Silver merchandise came out, and Sonic fans went nuts.You could even argue that it was Sega trying to test whether Silver was still worthy of keeping around.
>>155004984>Lol thanks for proving my point, please don't call me out on everything the Time Stones result in, like tying together why Snively is bald or Robotnik has the metal arm or the creation of the roboticizer. Nope, no through lines at all!you're welcome, anon.
>>155005093Oh no I very much do understand that silver is popular, I just don't really get *why* Is it just his design? Is it the vague illusions to kind of sort of being trunks? I don't get it
>>155004706>I think that's more related to him having a physiological need to give the Sonic girls big boobs, with only Sega keeping him under control.
>>155005032>They must have quit with that at some pointYeah, because pretty much everyone went "That's fucking stupid.", and rightly so. Dark Beginnings made them a proper team again because absolutely nobody liked that reluctant co-workers lie. >>155005059Sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of you desperately blowing Iizuka.
>>155005115>Is it just his design?Honestly, kind of? He has a strong Japanese following it seems, in which case, you can likely thank Daisuke "Jotaro Kujo" Ono for that.
>>155005054>The second a board room at one company decides something it magically morphs inside the game files.You're being a pedant while ignoring anything inconvenient to you.The whole convo was about Iizuka having bad blood with the people he worked on Boom with. His struggles with the designs could have been *no later* than January 2014, and even that would be absolutely ridiculous given how soon after the finished promotional renders and marketing popped up. The idea that Lost World having issues was even a factor in why people disrespected him during that time is really, really stupid and requires saying that the series producer waited over half a year to get involved at all and gave all his feedback in a 3 month period.
>>155004989>and everybody fucking hated Dulcy.i don't hate those DSL. also<-
>>155005134>You're being retarded, it's really obvious what this is about.>WELL YOU JERK OFF THIS GOOKWhat the fuck is wrong with you?
>>155005115I let you know when I find out too. Two fucking decades of putting up with this drooling idiot's bullshit, and I still don't comprehend why anyone cares about him. Oh by the way, it's been 20 years since Sonic 06 came out. Just in case you want to crumble to dust real quick.
>>155005156One word (well, technically three): TeamDarkFag
>>155002032Not enough crying lesbians for you? Maybe you need a gender-confused acrobat with a phone addiction? They’re all animal-people so clearly that means it’s good.
>>155005114>A time travel episode did cute time travel factoids, as time travel stories tend to do.>THIS IS A SEASON LONG NARRATIVE ABOUT SNIVLEY'S HAIRAbsolutely fucking desperate.
>>155005114All irrelevant details compared to the main conflict of the episode, which is Sonic and Sally going back in time to stop Robotnik from taking over to begin with. Except they decide not to anyway and so they're back where they started in the end.
>>155005181They didn't even change Bunnie's fate or cause it or anything, just delayed it slightly, it's a weird two parter.
>>155005156>What the fuck is wrong with you?I actually played SA2 back in the day, and I don't appreciate being gaslit with dumbfuck retcons. Shadow being 3EDGY5U is a false perception. He's actually a smug tryhard who unironically says shit like "I'm the coolest!". And no, I don't care if the line was different in the Japanese version, if SoJ cares so much about it's alleged vision, then they should've taken care to make sure all versions matched. But they didn't. I don't give a singular damn about some corpo rat's autism, I am going to believe my own fucking eyeballs. Go fuck yourself.
>>155004986I like this drawfag and everything, and call me a prune if you like, but I've never been a fan of coom dripping out of a girl's crotch in these kinds of scenarios. I always find it unnecessarily crude, especially when the fact that they were fucking is already conveyed through the reference/parody alone.
>>155002032Sonic characters hailing from a different Planet/dimension is infinitely better than them sharing Earth with humans and I will not pretend otherwise.
>>155005141>The whole convo was about Iizuka having bad blood with the people he worked on Boom with.if you could actually follow the convo, i mentioned Iizuka's dislike for Boom. someone (was it even (You) or are you another interloper?) said they couldn't blame him because his input was ignored.i was pointing out there hasn't been a good Sonic game since 2001, so i couldn't blame them for not taking his input. it was facetious.>The idea that a tepid Sonic game that got terrible-to-middling reviews had any sort of impact on Sonic Team's reputation is really, really stupid!oki guess you're not 100% wrong. the reason i name dropped Lost World and 4 specifically is because those were the two most recent. but, really, it was every single Sonic game that released between 2003 and 2014. which does indeed include Lost World and 4.
>>15500515690% chance he grew up reading Archie and thought that was an accurate depiction of Team Dark.
>>155005007Blaze is not popular outside of porn and shipping.
>>155005256How is that any different from every other character in this series outside Sonic and maybe Shadow (after Movie 3)?
>>155005256oh yeah of course and i'm not gonna pretend like she isn't. Silver's basically jacked her whole thing and it would be funny if I didn't grow up with rush. But even then it felt like she had more going on for her than Silver did, you know?
>>155005168>Um akshually all of these through lines don't count because I'll just try to downplay them.yup, no through lines at all
>>155005228>It was always this thing, and if you point out I'm wrong I'm going to ignore it.You're talking about the game where he tries to destroy the entire planet and only helps Rouge and Amy because the exact nature of those two interactions activated his schizoid hallucinations of Maria's death, by the way. He was absolutely not anyone's friend back then.
>>155005305Oh I'm sorry I didn't see the grand narrative vision of "we threw in a trivia factoid," I can't believe Sonic was the first cartoon to ever have consistent events.
>Sonic bitching thread gets many postsWhat causes this?
>>155005310In that game he immediately became Sonic’s bff as soon as his hallucination of Maria was revealed to be wrong.Even said that cringe line “waow Sonic, you’re so cool! YOU’RE the REAL ultimate lifeform!” and other assorted quips trying to be all chummy with him now
>>155005330There’s a lot to bitch about
>>155005330Extreme autism.
>>155005310You're talking about the scenes that directly led to his character development of actually caring about people other than Maria. But okay, let's hear why that doesn't count. I'm sure your corporate shill autism will find a way to spin this.
>>155005325>Wow what the fuck are you trying to say, that events that link together story beats, explain them and expand on them across multiple different episodes is supposed to be some kind of OVERARCHING NARRATIVE or some shit? well gee, anon, i guess i am ya
God I wish I was a Japanese, a real Japanese, not one of those race traitors that immigrated. Why did my parents have to be disgustingly westoids…
>>155005256True, it's more that Blaze is basically her Dimension's "Sonic." Silver is just some dumbfuck who has to keep coming back to the past because he's bad at his job or something
>>155005007Silver was supposed to be the next big character but Sonic 06 failed so badly that the entire extended cast was shelved for most of the 2010’s to appease game journalists that hated the idea of characters besides Sonic and Eggman. Even now Sonic, Shadow and Silver have only teamed up one time since 06 in Sonic & Friends short. Silver himself has always been a controversial character due to his design, voice acting and the way he was introduced in early games. He’s more well liked now but still controversial because he’s pulled between comic and game characterizations that are direct opposites of each other.
>>155005330After a quick skim of the thread, based on a few keywords, copypastas, and writing styles, I’d dare say that some of the most notorious /co/ Sonicfags converged in this one thread at the same time.Fascinating, if you ask me.
>>155001350Archie Shadow ruined Shadow as a character(in how fans prefer him going forward as a character), especially him being the Butt of so many of Sonics jokes and not being taken seriously as the games.
>>155005424>he’s pulled between comic and game characterizations that are direct opposites of each other.I blame Evan
>>155004986Ion even be like dat doe!>>155005229fair points. I think someone on /vg/ asked for that part, in future I’ll omit it. Less is more
>>155005452Archiedow is an interesting case of what happens when you leave a fandom with a poorly localized game that utterly fails as the last official appearance of a character and their associates for 10 years. The fandom, along with one ascended fan, is then left to cook up a series of headcanons that become the norm for the character in spin-off media, only for everyone to be utterly shocked when the character finally comes back and is nothing like how they imagined them.
>>155005452>especially him being the Butt of so many of Sonics jokesCan you name these “Sonics jokes” he was supposedly the butt of?Also calling eachother ‘Faker’ isn’t a joke, nor a mockery, it’s a nickname.
>>155005522OTP
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>>155004986>>155005494Please tell me it was who asked you for Rouge to be black... it just doesn't look well on her.
>>155005452>Noooooo, you're supposed to take this cartoon goth rat super seriously!Pathetic.
>>155004827I hate that there's obviously contour lines where the light hits but the colorist did not care
>>155005541I didn’t do that part either, someone else paintbucketed her for a joke, hahttps://files.catbox.moe/cf4mpw.png
>>155002849Studio Pierrot
>>155005580I knew it! I knew I had seen it before with her regular (well, one of her regular) skin tones.Damn, she just looks so much better!!
>>155005606Imo Orange is the nicest skintone for drawing Rouge. Just literally orange
>>155005362>his character development of actually caring about people other than MariaYou mean when he never showed that beyond a vague "I guess you guys aren't so bad" attitude followed by him getting amnesia and factory resetting back to brooding cuck?
>>155005504Pretty much. 06 is the only time he's not a brooding edgeboy and even then he's just kinda distant.
>>155005552Tch.
>>155005645And the only reason he isn't a brooding edgyboy is because the game was written back in 2003, when he still had amnesia. But then the game got pushed back, and pushed back, and Sonic Team, being as lazy as they are, simply went with what had already been written rather than updating it to reflect his latest developments.
>>155005776Sonic el Erizo
>>155004706Vanilla's implants!
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>>155006244Penders'd
Sonia is the "rich one" Sonic is the "normal one" Manic is the "poor one" and all of their character traits revolve around that comparison and all of the tropes surrounding it. Manic is the most subversive of the three.He has no special powers. He has to use a hoverboard to keep up with his siblings. He is an expert marksman and pickpocket. He has all the general dexterity skills.He isn't insecure about this. But he does consider that he might not add much to the team at first.He is nicer than both Sonic and especially Sonia. He has to warn Sonic to be gentler with Sonia (Sonic proceeds to make Sonia cry without a second thought).Manic is also the least intelligent of the three. The most easily scared. The warmest, and the happiest.He is also a habitual thief.
>>155006362Sonia is deliberately written as bitchy, whiney, spoiled and rich.She has super powers but she isn't disciplined. Her solo song is her complaining at length about having to go on an adventure. She likes to talk about shopping, her nails, makeup, dancing, going on dates, wearing pretty clothes, and gossiping with other girls.She is repeatedly objectified by the show. Sexually.She hates dirt. She hates getting her clothes wet. She hates non-gourmet foods. She hates rowdiness.She is not easily frightened, but not because she's brave or stoic. Sonic and Manic are both braver than her. Her sheer strength renders things that would be terrifying to her to just being disgusting.She has every possible stereotypical "Spoiled rich popular bitch" trait rolled into one with a side of Mr. Incredible.Her abilities and her voice are the only things that break the stereotype.
>>155005268The difference is that she doesn’t sell as well as the others I guess
>>155001350Satam was a mistake
>>155006888she cute
>>155006827SatAM was great and needs a grimdark reboot. it would sell like gangbusters.
>>155001350Can someone edit the black oil into being white so it looks like Sonic's drowning in cum, please?
Surge
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>>155002667Wet fart could start flame wars in those days. But pre social media platforms, you were already teetering on the 'tism boundary anyways.
>>155007087Nah it would flop hard. Kids don't care about satam. They want to see characters like Shadow and Silver, not sally or rotor.
>>155008455>Kids don't care about satambut they do care about dark, which is why i said make it darker.>They want to see characters like Shadow and SilverShadow, sure. Silver? lolmy cousins don't have Silver plushes. i don't think i've ever seen any kid with Silver merch.
>>155007087Satam is available in YouTube like all the other Sonic shows and it's literally the least popular because the animation is just bad. Even Underground has better action sequences
>>155008566>Underground is better qualitywhy would anyone listen to the ramblings of an obvious schizo
>>155008630Underground is so bad that it's entertainingly good, satam is just boring, dull and lame and is mogged by the OVA, and even other dic shows like the mario bros super show, Aosth, ect.
>>155008799Fuck off, Sharty Tamersfag.
>>155008455A key trick to make satamtards to stfu is to make them acknowledge how hard rally4sally crash and burned into irrelevancy.
>>155008799>Underground is so badwhich is probably why it has the views it does. atrocity tourism. similarly, the reason AoStH has so many views is YTP.your reliance on YT numbers might have been solid if not for the fact there are plenty of other very popular cartoons that also have lackluster numbers.>Animaniacs>Ren & Stimpy>Rocko's Modern Lifeall three also have low views. are you going to pretend like those weren't popular?what if i told you there's a Sally video with 88 million views?
>>155008895i'm not sure bringing up something i'm not familiar with, invested in or care about is going to be very effective in making me stfu.meanwhile, new Sally art is being drawn and uploaded every few minutes. let's see when the last one was posted.>6 hours agoyeah man it doesn't look like SatAM or its characters are going anywhere anytime soon.
>>155003612Thats so Sega it hurts.
>>155008630Because the action sequences in Satam really are that fucking bad
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>>155002342>>155002414I keep hearing he didn't get angry, some saying he did, but either way, them not being able to use it fucked with the already troubled development of Sonic X-treme. Would it have saved the Saturn? Not really, Sega bungled that up on themselves.
>>155003155Not even that, why DON'T they own the characters outright, and anyone under their wing can use them with Sega's approval. Tekno should be allowed to show if Sega themselves is ok with it, Fleetway be dammed. Vise Versa as well, if Fleetway wanted to use say... Bunnie, they obviously should be able to no problem. Really don't get why Sega didn't clamp down on characters until AFTER Penders dragged them into court.
>The Pre-Reboot Universe must go...
>>155005513Nta, but...
I think Ian writes Sonic fine. He just makes the character a little too extroverted. Sonic is cool and confident but he's supposed to be kind of a weirdo, not a party animal.
>>155009761What's the story behind this pic?
>>155009914>A mild joke poking fun at Shadow's ego>"RYAAAARGH! STOP, YOU'RE LITERALLY RAPING HIM!"Why are Shadow's most vocal fans such oversensitive little bitches?
>>155009964Nothing stated by the artist on their twitter page, so I'm just assuming this OC is supposed to be destroying the old universe for the new one.
>>155009953but he started off as a rockstar in a band.
>>155002774It only sounds like "dancing around it" if you really want to hear the character say "Robotnik". They just call him eggman, because thats his name in the games
>>155010102>It only sounds like "dancing around it" if you really want to hear the character say "Robotnik"but the characters do say Robotnik. in the English versions. and then the JP dubs go out of their way to remove those lines. but not change the names of his relatives. in the JP dub, characters related to Robotnik can be called Robotnik, but not Robotnik himself. they're literally dancing around it.
Archie did have some legitimately awesome moments to be fair. Eggman in particular is one of my favorite serious takes on the guy legitimately going insane, recovering from it by LOGIC alone and realizing that harnessing chaos is the only way he'll have a shot at beating Sonic.
>>155001350Everybody knows that the only true Sonic canon is STC. Also fuck Timantha.
>>155008020Thanks anon!
>>155010070And he never really had that rockstar stereotype personality. He's not the guy to jump in front of a crowd and start throwing up peace sign he's the guy who gets annoyed with the crowd and goes looking for something entertaining to do even though he's scheduled to appear
>>155001350is this the most overrated comic series of all time/
>>155010651No that would be Pokemon Special
>>155010701if you think drawing a cereal mascot looking ass cartoon animal nude is on the same level as actual CP than you might have some issues of yourself to sort out.
>>155010701NOOOOO THINK OF THE FICTIONAL CHARACTERS
