/co/'s thoughts on Rob Liefeld?
>>155008629Egotistical talentless hack.
>>155008629Inarguably the luckiest motherfucker in comic books. He can’t draw at least at a professional level but managed to get work out that just happened to tap into what the main readers of comics (preteen boys) wanted at that exact time that almost immediately fell out of style. He’s only relevant today because out of all the “original” characters he shotgunned out into the industry one (1) managed to catch on thanks to that character being used by actually talented creators. Despite this character’s success having very little to actually do with him he continues to take every ounce of credit for that character’s success. Really he’s today’s Bob Kane.
>>155009132Nah, Rob taught himself how to draw and made his dream come true.The luckiest man in comics is Brandon Choi AKA Jim Lee's childhood best friend whose entire bibliography consists of writing awful comics for Jim Lee's art.
>>155008629His art is shit. His writing is shit. He's lucky other people made characters he created popular, otherwise he would have faded into obscurity. Joe Kelly is why Deadpool got famous and was not the path Liefeld wanted for him. Cable being Scott's kid was not want he wanted for Scott and he hated the idea. If not for those two things, those characters would have disappeared into the ether with strife, shatterstar and bedlam.None of this is a judgment on who Liefeld is. I don't know him personally, I don't pay attention to anything he has to say about anything except comics. He could be the nicest fucking guy on the planet. All that is irrelevant, I find his work absolute dogshit.
>>155008629His podcast is chill as fuck and he’s rightfully butthurt about marvel studios disdain for comic creators
Gonna go against the grain and say he's hated for the wrong reasons. There's a reason his style came to define an era, it's dynamic and interesting, even if technically very weak. Yes, his writing is shit. But he shouldn't be hated for his work, he should be hated for being a piece of shit. Read about his dealings with pretty much everyone from Marvel to Image and beyond. He's lucky the other Image guys happen to be jumping ship from Marvel when they did because Marvel was going to fire him for announcing he'd be doing an X-Men ripoff comic for Malibu. He then proceeded to burn bridges with the Image guys by doing things like poaching talent from them to the point that he had to quit Image minutes before the meeting where they were going to expel him. He seems like the kind of guy who smiles to your face while holding a knife behind his back.
love him as a heel and rabble rouser, keeps things exciting
>>155009324>Cable being Scott's kid was not want he wanted for Scott and he hated the ideaI asked Liefeld on instagram if Cable being Cyclops’ kid was his idea and he claimed it was but Liefeld also claimed he originally intended Deadpool to be Weapon 11 to Wolverine’s Weapon 10 (X) but the X in Weapon X being revealed to be a Roman numeral for 10 didn’t happen till way later during Morrison’s run so he’s not against lying.
>>155008629Chad energy. A great masculinity for comics, despite his infamous drawing habits.
>>155009346the podcast really is great, some incredible stories over the years>>155009462the thing that cracks me up is when he claimed to have found his "first" Deadpool sketch a few years ago, to win some debate about authorship and how he created him fully formed w/ humor intact, and it was very clearly a brand new sketch in his modern, stiffer, blockier aesthetic.
>>155009462>I asked Liefeld on instagram if Cable being Cyclops’ kid was his idea and he claimed it was>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cable_(character)>Harras and writer/artists Jim Lee and Whilce Portacio, who were writing the X-Men spinoff X-Factor that starred Cyclops and the other four original X-Men, decided that Nathan would be sent into the future and grow up to become Cable. Liefeld, who conceived that Cable and his archenemy Stryfe were one and the same, disliked this idea. Eventually, Stryfe was revealed to be a clone of Cable.Sounds like he's a liar then
>>155009478No
>>155008629Regardless of personal opinions about him and his work, he has an interest and sense around the industry but he needs to get his cue balls lined up. Calling out Marvel's stagnation and crossovers signaling desperation isn't enough to sting.
>>155008629Dude with a meme-able art style that got insanely lucky when he fell ass backwards into success. I’ve seen a few clips of him talking about power levels on TikTok and some of the shit he says makes me want to throw my phone at a wall>Thragg can beat GokuLook me in the fucking eyes and say that
>>155009528>Weapon 9Thaaaaaaaaats the pic, I commented on that instagram post asking “weapon 10 was a thing before Morrison?” And he was like “uh yeah way before duh!” I said “where?” He didn’t answer. >I like his podcastThe Heroes Reborn series was legitimately interesting but I got sick of his Willie Lane-from King of the Hill-like constant repetition of his one accomplishment. I stopped listening with the Cameron Spider-Man episode, that’s the biggest comic movie “what if” I’m interested in and thought maybe since Liefeld claims to be an insider he’d have new info but nope it was 45 minutes of “I created Deadpool you know. Deadpool, that’s all me. I made Deadpool”
>>155009315lol, based
>>155009551I don’t think he had any idea what Cable’s backstory was going to be and, like with Deadpool, just wants to take credit for an popular idea
>>155009315Brandon Choi is a real estate lawyer now, he didn’t get mega-rich with his shit like Liefeld did.
>>155009611Don’t forget cable kek. But that aside, I’m mostly a dc guy and know nothing about marvel. So I find his insight on things really fascinating. Like ghost rider being a literal “speed demon” based off of evil kenievel. And the character’s rise to becoming an a lister. The many writers and artists contributions to the character. His brief run in the fantastic four. He has a wealth of old school knowledge that I really appreciate. I don’t know of any other classic comic creators with the same conversational style show
>>155009551>Sounds like he's a liar thenHe's always been a liar. It's like how he clams that Deadpool has nothing to do with Deathstroke despite the fact that not only do they have similar names and costumes but Deadpools actual name, Wade Wilson, being a rift of Slade Wilson, Both had an underage girlfriend, both using a mixture of both guns and swords. Hell aside from powers, the main difference between the two is that Deadpool is a Quippy Spiderman type with an R rating while Slade is mostly serious with maybe some dry wit once in a blue moon.
>>155009743Isn’t Deadpool to deathstroke what lobo is to Wolverine. I think copying is fine as long as your copy is unique enough from the original source. Everyone gets inspiration from things we find cool
>>155008629Seems like a really cool guy that somehow failed upwards. In a time where the art was subjectively bad, his somehow was worse and now they're so bad it's "good"
>>155008629hes a based retard and shit on way too much for having an original art style. Yes he can be lazy with it. So is literally everyone else. Not a genius not a auteur, hes just fine. No bullying Rob pls.
>>155009808I think if he didn’t swing his dick around like he’s the most important thing to happen to comics since Leonardo da Vinci he wouldn’t get the bully
>>155009835I find he does it respectfully. He’s not an asshole about it, he’s just aware of his iconic status as a student of the game and as a fan himself. I can respect it
>>155009835nah he would either way like most people really dont know about the dramas youre referring to and just shit on his art. And you may be right. but he is actually one of the most innfluential guys from his respective era who still likes comics and makes them for instance after Jim Lee secured power at DC he just stopped working totally.
>>155008629He seems like a nice guy but even at the time I thought his art was wack and I was probably the main demographic for it.Didn't really like Todd McFarland either I guess though he's a lot more talented than Rob
>>155009795The only thing Lobo has in common with wolverine is drinking, cigars and not dying. Deadpool is cut whole from Deathstroke.
>>155009795>Isn’t Deadpool to deathstroke what lobo is to WolverineYeah, sort of. However Deadpool is more of an outright "homage" while Lobo only really has the aesthetics of Wolverine, but outside of liking cigars motorcycles and being immortal, they are pretty damm different. And you damm well know that if the two meet, they would hate eachother.
>>155008629I hope he gets fucked in the ear by a gorilla
>>155009462I heard making Cable baby Summers was jim lees idea to get Cable actually connected into the Xmen. Liefeld just had Cable as future man
>>155009858If he wasn't an asshole, he wouldn't feel the need to lie and embellish his role in the industry. He can't just be proud of creating Deadpool and Cable, he has to take credit for the work other creators did. He got a big head because he was lucky enough to get in on that brief window in the 90s where guys could make millions of dollars in comics. He's not a Bob Kane level fraud, but he might have one of the higher ego-to-accomplishments ratios today.