>>155026098
Cyclops/Jean isn't a bad ship but I blame how Cyclops wasn't made into a "bad boy" from the start. The 90s and the 2000s was a bad time for classic hero boy scout leader types because anti-authority was in demand. If Marvel wants to keep pushing Cyclops, they gotta make him edgy and more like Logan.

Wolverine's kinda screwed now, though. All those 90s and 2000s anti-heroes are dads or authority figures now or are expected to be dads and authority figures while the single bachelor heroes who were straight-laced and exceptionally moral are now the anti-authority rebel types. And the constant love triangles and cucking isn't in vogue anymore.

>>155026158
>The 90s and the 2000s was a bad time for classic hero boy scout
You cant have Scott be the bad boy and have Logan be the bad boy and have Gambit be the bad boy. You can only have one maybe two bad boys per team.

>>155026401
That's what I mean, though. Logan was originally the bad boy, Scott was the good boy, and Gambit remains as the "bad" boy.

Now Logan's a dad and we live in a post-GOW/Last of Us/Old Man Logan/Kenobi era where hero dads are expected to be a lot more soft and gentle. Scott's never really gonna BE a dad in the proper sense so it makes sense for him to be the bad boy now.

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>>155026467
They tried making Cyclops a bad boy in the FoX-Men prequel trilogy and it was awful. He just doesn't have the sauce to be a bad boy. At most they can make him a sad boy, which is pretty popular nowadays.

>>155026467
If you really want him to be the bad boy then I don't see how you make him the team leader which has been his whole identity. You could do something like make Spider-man show up and show leadership and Jean really respond well to that and have that give Scott a character 180 but I don't know how much Spider-man I want in my X-men movie.

>>155026563
He can be a sad boy and a bad boy. The trick is to have him and Logan switch roles so Logan's the stoic one while Cyclops is the angry one. You could give him some kind of cool mask or helmet or make his lasers follow people like Omega Beams. Or lean into his mythological allusion and make him an engineer who can make weapons that augment his powers.

>>155026594
Have him slowly grow into becoming the team leader rather than half-assedly go "uhhh he's the team leader guys" from the start. Like 80s and Rise Leonardo and not 2000s and 2010s Leonardo.

>>155026635
>The trick is to have him and Logan switch roles so Logan's the stoic one while Cyclops is the angry one.

That's bad, and you should feel bad.

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>>155026098
Why is he so pudgy? What happened to casting cute boys?

>>155026158
Cyclops needs to be a sad boy. He needs to be ridiculously handsome, and have a tragic backstory, lean into the child soldier bit, the emotional turmoil. Make him make difficult decisions, make him more confrontational. Let him make out with Wolverine a little bit.

>>155026158
The main problem with Cyclops is that he gets overshadowed by Wolverine and other members of the X-Men like Storm, it's been that way since the 80s. Normalfags don't see Cyclops as the main guy of X-Men, but Wolverine and adaptations outside of Evolution don't improve his image and reputation. Cyclops can't compete with Mr. second popular character in Marvel and Mr. superhero that is on the same plane as Batman and Superman.

>>155026822
I think you mean let him make out with Laura in which case, I agree. Logan is not Scott's lover, he is his father figure. Evolution superior.

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>>155026158
Cykes is too much of a soldier to be a bad boy. They really should have leaned more and developed his tactical operator angle from X-Factor prior to Liefeld and friends ruining the concept with their terrible ideas.

>>155026098
just ship Cyclops with Emma Frost from the start none of the Cyclops fans even like Jean anyway

>>155027042
>and other members of the X-Men like Storm
This always seemed crazy to me because Storm as a character is incredibly boring.

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>>155027341
>ship with emma
please no

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>>155026098
>Cyclops/Jean ship must be fucking cursed
Because for some reason, only Marvel writers like it. And maybe a few Jeanfags. But most people don't like this pairing at all. Normies want her to be with Logan and now Peter, while comic readers don't want her to be with anyone because she makes everyone worse.

True Cykefags will always choose Emma.

>>155027341
>just ship Cyclops with Emma Frost
They can't. Her actress is too old.

>>155027725
>And maybe a few Jeanfags.
Jeanfag here, If it has to be Scott or Logan I'd choose Scott. Logan and Jean has always been creepy and weird but I'm open to anyone else.

>>155026098
kit conner is a miscast
this is fagclops

>>155027859
>If it has to be Scott or Logan I'd choose Scott
What about Scott or Peter?

>>155027683
I agree with you as well, i think Gambit, Rogue, Laura, Kitty, Beast and Nightcrawler are far more interesting than Storm, but that is how things are.

>>155027890
I'd say even Scott is more interesting than Storm.

>>155027908
Same, Cyclops isn't my favorite but i prefer him over Storm.

>>155026098
I have just one idea of what they are going to do with the whole Scott Jean and SM thing and I fucking hate it.
They will shift the focus from Jean x Scott lovey dovey period and drama to SM being the one who made Mutant's ooresion possible and that would make way more resonating drama between him and Jean than whatever Scott and Jean will have.
In short they will neuter huge chunk of Jott and automatically remove the huge chunk of Scott's character arc and development.
Maybe they will keep Jott romance but in the movies themselves it will feel like nothing in comparison between Jean and Spidey aec of friendship and betrayal.
I hate it. I hate it because all of it would be a fucking fanfic for both XMen and Spiderman characters.
I can lt even find a good reason for doing all of that. You don't let XMen setting and characters to breathe from the very start by forcing Spiderman onto them, and it damages Spidey himself too cause it basically put his own setting away majorly by shifting focus onto mutant thing.
Faggie will hurt XMen more than any writers before him across all the decades.

They cast an openly faggot actor. I don't Scott will be into girls in MCU.

>>155026563
worked in the comics, worked in watxm.

>>155028246
SM is going to be in x-men movies because rdj is retiring and Holland makes 2 billion dollars. Jean was introduced early so she can phoenix in secret wars.
Jean is frankly a small part of scotts actually compelling narrative of turning into rightclops over a decade, she's there to die and set him on the path.

>>155026158
Cyclops just isn't interesting he's just the team leader guy and whether that's in the flavor of boy scout or the flavor of edgy boy it just isn't interesting, and the whole JEEEEAAAAANNNN thing doesn't help.

>>155026098
>Spider-Man/Jean becomes an immediate fan-favorite couple
I do wonder how much of it is having to put up with a not-MJ MJ for three movies. And then having a cute redhead thrown at them in BND.
They're latching on to Jean as as surrogate-MJ.

>>155027061
>Scott and Laura
I’m honestly surprised this hasn’t been tried before. Could work?

>>155028321
NTA but a lot of people hated his characterization in Wolverine and The X-Men due coming across as more like Wolverine meanwhile Wolverine acting more like Cyclops. That show give a lot of characters extremely wack characterizations like Gambit being a villain. Unrelated Scott's costume was really damn cool in that show.

Cyclops is just lame and boring.

>>155028373
Bendis did it during his run. Scott and Laura were banging.

>>155027165
>They really should have leaned more and developed his tactical operator angle from X-Factor
Did that ever exist as a take on the character outside of your own head?

>prior to Liefeld and friends ruining the concept with their terrible ideas.
Liefeld drew one issue of X-Factor before his career really took off, and a cover or two for other issues, and had nothing to do with the direction the book took in the 90s.

>>155027725
>True Cykefags will always choose Emma.
Anyone who's still a Cyclops fan in 2026 is a lost cause, as is anyone who wants Emma Frost on the X-Men at all.

>>155028484
I see Scott took a page from Ky Kiske's guide book by having sex with the daughter of his rival.

>>155027890
I understand why Storm -has- to be there on a level of 'she was the only black character there for a long time', but I'm always confused by how much the fandom constantly insists that all of the 1960s characters except Cyclops suck and are boring, (and when they say they like Cyclops, they only mean the broken beyond repair 2000s-2010s version) yet they insist everyone on the 1970s cast are some of the greatest, most interesting characters in comics ever. And sure, Wolverine got good in the 80s and became as popular as he did for a reason, and telling people you love Nightcrawler is a way of telling people you're gay without saying you're gay, but Storm, Nightcrawler and Colossus have just never ever been that interesting, and I can't really see what people see in them.

>>155028321
>watxm
Proof that fans of Logan and Scott like them for their powers, and not their roles or character.
>>155028388
>Unrelated Scott's costume was really damn cool in that show.
Yes
>>155028517
Most people haven't read anything, but watched cartoons and their favorite youtuber for opinions and "coolest moments".

I legit think romance drama is the worst part of any Marvel comic I've read especially X-men and MCU not doing any of it can only be for the better

>>155028491
>Anyone who's still a Cyclops fan in 2026 is a lost cause
Why?

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Just like Jean was introduced in the Spider-Man movie, Scott should have been introduced in Guardians of the Galaxy.

>>155026098
>Cyclops/Jean ship must be fucking cursed
give me cyclops/magik and jean can go ride cock carousel for as long as they want to make her...the former will never happen though.

>>155026098
I doubt MCU will make Cyclops/Jean explicitly romantic first, they have an aversion to romance in young characters except Peter/MJ or gays like Wiccan second, they cast a Bisexual as cyclops that means he will get shipped with the closest male he interacts with. Cyclops and jean will most likely be platonic. It was over before it even begun

This made me think, why doesn't Jean have a Superhero code name like almost all other X-Men? Even Logan goes by Wolverine, and he's a 200+ year old man who'd realistically think that's incredibly corny. The only other one I can think of that doesn't go by a Superhero code name is Bishop

>>155028811
Kraoka

>>155026098
>Spider-Man/Jean becomes an immediate fan-favorite couple
By who? It's not popular in the slightest. Most people still want him to go with the love of his life Michelle.

>>155029565
Cap

>>155029308
Jean was called 'Marvel Girl' originally, and went back to that name in her mid-80s return after the retcon that she was never really Phoenix (Rachel was using the Phoenix name at the time anyway). That lasted until 1991, where, like with Sue being 'The Invisible Girl' into the 80s, someone decided that a grown woman shouldn't be calling herself a girl, but they had her drop the codename entirely instead of becoming 'Marvel Woman'.

>>155028246
Not to be that guy but Ultimate Spider Man was HEAVILY mutant focused

>>155028491
anyone who reads 4chan in 2026 is a lost cause since they dont have anything better to do. Like something constructive.

>>155029391
Cyclops has been awful long before Krakoa, and attracted a lot of really awful fans in the 2000s and 2010s.

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>everyone ITT saying Cyclops can't be the bad boy
Have none of you read and X-Men comic in the last two decades? Character went from a cuck nobody liked to one of the most popular X-Men after going full "Ends justify the means" Magneto while daddy issues Wolverine cried about Chuck's dream and Scott was banging his equally morally grey supermodel wife who these days people ship with him more than Jean.

>>155031321
>Have none of you read and X-Men comic in the last two decades?
Sensible decision, there are no good X-Men comics in the last 25 years. Just pretend they stopped making them after the one where Wolverine kills Magneto.

>Character went from a cuck nobody liked to one of the most popular X-Men after going full "Ends justify the means"
It was awful, anon, and the people who like this are awful. Cyclops became everything he used to fight and you're cheering. You people deserve the half-gay Cyclops you're getting.

>>155031350
I understand the argument but I find Cyclops taking over leadership and having to find a pragmatic middle ground between Mags radicalism and Charles idealism to be an interesting character development in a genre that by design refuses to let characters grow and change. The more heinous change is making Professor X a mustache twirling mind rapist who's done more evil shit to his own X-Men than most of the villains they've faced over the years.

>>155031528
>pragmatic
>death squads
>risking the whole world to turn people into mutants
Anon, no. Cyclops became the worst of both Xavier and Magneto, the clandestine secrecy and shadiness of Xavier, and the "my way or get out" zealotry, aggression and messiah complex of Magneto. This was a character who held on to the notion that he was as human as anyone else, then suddenly he goes all-in on the "muh race, muh people" larp and acting like it's imperative that mutancy be forced onto people who were just living normal lives, and that this is worth risking the fate of the world on.

If you told me Emma was mind-controlling Scott into becoming the man she wanted him to be, I'd find it more believable than all of this being "character development", it was more like character assassination. It's just character assassination with plot armor, where the writers keep letting him win and get what he wants and seem tone deaf to what they've turned him into. And they're doing it again because Scott Summers being a fake tough guy and threatening government agents plays really well with that kind of fan, even when his threats are just backed up with "na na can't hurt me or my wife will kill you".

>>155031255
But krakoa was the final nail in the coffin for cyclops fans

>>155031321
>Have none of you read and X-Men comic in the last two decades? Character
only retards like the last 2 decades of X-Men

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>>155031715
>But krakoa was the final nail in the coffin for cyclops fans
This. I was a huge Cykefag, but after Marvel made him break up with Emma and become a cuckold with Jean again, I stopped being one.

Still enjoy him in other projects like Marvel Rivals and X-Men '97, but couldn't care less about him in the comics. Tbf I don't care about Marvel comics in general, they've been terrible for a long time now.

>>155028484
>>155028500
/co/ doesn't read comics.
This never happened. Bendis was leading up to it but Rucka pitched that solo series where Cyclops does space pirate shit with his dad, and he left the team instead. Laura wound up fucking Angel instead.

>>155031796
the thing that pissed me off about Krakoa is that it got so much wank for being an interesting idea and Hickman's gimmicky structuring, which sure I'll grant both of those things are neat. But then he wrote it in this lofty detached mythological style and every single X-Men acted like an OoC skinwalker. I don't hate Scott/Jean/Logan polyamory because woke I hate it because it actually disregards everything about who those characters are for a cheap pop. THAT'S character assassination. I get not liking Rightclops but when the dude has been gradually written that way over the span of 20+ years at least it's a consistent arc, even if you don't like what he turned into.

>>155031796
There is no trying to redeem him or revisionisim or anything that will erase that he became a literal cuckhold. The only thing left is making him a fag which they are doing right now

>>155026158
Scott's the MC of the X-men bit his entire character is being a mopey emo cuck, going back to even before the Phoenix saga when love of his life Jean was hooking up with Angel as Scott watched in tears from the corner.

>>155031703
Kinda weird to portray it that way when the height of his popularity came from Marvel TRYING to write him as the villain in an effort to bury the X-Men and replace them with Inhumans and falling on their face at every turn. I get not liking or agreeing with modern Cyclops but the character assassination talking point always feels like such a forced argument. Nobody bats an eye with Magneto, Wolverine, Emma, etc are morally flipflopping every other run. Or when, usually villain, characters get an alignment switch in a single arc. Cyclops was the least popular core X-Men and they spent the entire 21st century getting him to this point. And the Messiah storylines were pretty well regarded. Really feels like post-AvX when everyone started to turn on his characterization which is fair with how shit Marvel has been since then.

>>155027875
Disney is replacing all archetypical in charge, masculine, pussyhound men with unironic obvious faggots and betas. Mr.fantastic, johnny storm, now cyclopse...basically all of the xmales.
This is how it is.
This is also why men don't like it and women are instantly turned off.

>>155026158
Cyclops just needs to be more like Leonardo.

>>155033201
stfu chud

>>155026098
>Cyclops finales catch a break from being overshadowed by Wolverine due X-Men 97 S1 being good and games like Marvel Rivals, MvC collection and Cosmic Invasion
>X-Men 97 S2 comes out not only is bad, but Cyclops becomes almost irrelevant and a jobber throughout its season
>Just this month alone Wolverine is stealing all his lore (Mr. Sinister is connected to Logan as example) and Jean again in the PS5 game
>Spider-Man Brand New Day comes out and not only is making a billion at the box office, it has Jean kissing Peter and the main reason that a lot of fanarts come from South Korea, Japan, China and other asian countries is due their version having a japanese love song in the credits
Marvel really giving a millennium of humiliation to Cyclops with their decisions.

>>155029391
>>155031715
>krakoa

has been soft retconned and brushed under the carpet as 'free to read it however you want, nothing that was shown in here can be treated as a gospel'

>>155033381
*Finally

>>155033323
I may be a chud.
But i'm not wrong.

>>155033381
>and not only is making a billion at the box office
>peter x jean larper implies his new favorite thing is what made the box office

lol
lmao even
SM IP did 99% of heavy lifting in BO, people didnt even know Jean was in here

>>155033542
My intention wasn't implying that, sorry if i gave that impression.

>>155033381
>love song.
Yeah, a love song meant for the main couple of the film; Peter and Michelle.

>>155033381
nobody actually likes Scott with Jean though. it's just boomer comic editors who keep trying to force it the same way they wont let pete be with mj

>>155034232
Everybody knows they are a couple anon.
They've been the xmen power couple for longer then most of us have been alive.
I'm not sure where you're getting this from.

Also, Gwen stacey has been canonically "alive" and "dead" longer then peter parker has been together and married.
I'm not sure why they tried to undo it at marvel but it's kind of weird.

>>155033539
chuds are always wrong

>>155034275
True. but scott is the woman in the relashionship basically. He is always waiting for her like a good husband, loving her unconditionally, meanwhile she is all powerful and fucks off to the other side of the galaxy, basically scott never gets anything good from the marriage. Outside of comics jean will fuck wolverine in the game

>>155026158
Cyclops X Emma Frost is better anyway

>>155028590
>Proof that fans of Logan and Scott like them for their powers, and not their roles or character.
how is a show that was cancelled after one season proof.

>>155028811
because people like things he doesn't like.

>>155031103
its just a shitty codename so it never stuck just like rachel's five different ones.

>>155034337
The guy has to be the love struck retard who putts up with it in comics because of who is writing it, who the romance bullshit is for, and marketing.
Scott dumping jean after she snuggles up with wolverine is realistic.
Gambit leaving Rogue and giving up on their relationship after the metaphorical cucking and her little backstory is realistic.
But this is cheap romance porn nonsense aimed at a female/loser love starved male demo.
Not good writing.

>>155032304
Shake ups redefine characters and settings, that's what makes it interesting. Morrison did the same thing.

>>155033381
She was just trolling him because he was being a pathetic government boot licker again. Jean thinks he's an immature asshole the entire film until she feels sorry for him at the end only because his surrogate mother had just died. This shipping is retarded, they had zero chemistry. The spider-man franchise is lucky they had x-men to come bail it out after the last two were piles of shit.

>>155034642
That's my point. Scott losing his boyscout view of the world was a gradual shakeup of the character. What Hickman did was just write everyone OoC with zero rhyme reason or build-up.

>>155034751
Cyclops was downplayed in krakoa almost to the point of non-existence. He inexplicably wasn't even on the council. Its like he took four years off.

>>155034642
Shakeups are only good when you have a locked and now bored creators and audience and don't go full OMD.
Krakoa was yes a neat idea but it went full OMD on the xmen and now we have to deal with the fallout.
It's a great elseworlds title and it really should have been done in ultimate where anything could happen and he had free reign to do what he wanted.

But the power of changing the characters established canon was too inticing to ignore for the marvel editors.

>>155034734
>he spider-man franchise is lucky they had x-men to come bail it out after the last two were piles of shit.

Jean grey was not the jean grey people expected and most barely acknowledge her as the character and don't care about MCU's xmen.
She's actually kinda trash. The only thing saving it is the fact that the actress is cute and highly fuckable. That's about it.

>>155034800
Exactly. That's not X-Men jean grey just a genocidal cunt who ruins Spiderman character but X-Men are so dead they desperately need a popularity boost

>>155034734
Give spiderfags a break, they're fucking desperate

>>155035923
Desperate are the jean fags desperately wanting to ship her with spiderman to keep her relevant

>>155026098
i'm more offended by the upcoming wolverine game having mr sinister as the main villain
now logan not only stole scott's girl but his archenemy as well lol

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>>155026158
Brainlet take.

Cyclops isn't a bad boy, he's a sad boy. He's this insecure kid with death beams for eyes who spent his childhood orphaned and abandoned and abused. Parents dead. Brother gone. Tortured for years at the orphanage, then turned into a living weapon. He goes all-in on being the X-Men's leader because he craves that approval from Professor X, trying to be the living embodiment of Xavier's dream. You see him keeping everyone -- especially Jean -- at arms length because life has taught him that to love someone is to lose them. And Jean's constant cycle of death and resurrection, what went down with Maddy, what happened to Christopher, it just makes it all the more tragic

There's so much pathos in this character and they just don't bother with it at all.

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>>155036461
So I really really hope that with Sinister as the main villain for this first movie they're able to focus in on Scott's origins.

>>155034734
>>155035923
You guys do realize that Spider-Man is bigger than the X-Men.

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>>155035942
>xD scott such a cuck look how popular petexjean is cyclops fans on suicide watch
>literally every cyclops fan

>>155037042
>simping over a dead ship

>>155037052
>reading modern comics