>Mystique and Charles Xavier were close friends since childhoodIs this the dumbest change in any comic book adaptation?
>>155036541Yeah, it's pretty bad. Because Mystique tried to kill Charles in X-Men 1, which post-First Class Raven would never do.
>>155036541her and rogue and nightcrawler and sabertooth and on and on being related is way dumber
>>155036541Do you think a teenage, horny Charles mind controlled Mystique into turning into his favorite porn stars?
>>155036541It ranks up there. I hated how after the original trilogy they just started plugging random characters into whatever spot. I guess X-Men 3 did it too with Psylocke. First Class I think was the worst offender.
>>155036541It's bad but I wouldn't say dumbest.
>>155036572naw, she read his mind and did it to fuck with him
>>155036541Making Logan and Sabertooth being brothers was dumb.
How the fuck?!
>>155036572She WANTED to fuck Charles but he thought of her like a sister so she tried to seduce Mags.
>>155036871As far as I can tell X-Men origins wolverine isn't canon to any other movie.
>>155036906>but he thought of her like a sisterI'm told only children are the ones with incest fetish. Did you guys lie to me?
>>155036871That’s like the comics where they tried to retcon them as from a race of wolf people
>>155036871Yeah. These two inexplicable canadian Mongoose-Men who both have furry features, sideburns, insane Regen, claws and feral LARPing as their combined set of Mutant powers and who are worst enemies for unknown unsaid reasons which Logan can't remember due to his memory loss would have no reason they'd be connected beyond circumstance.
>>155036572>>155036906Yeah, It's more likely teenage Mystique turned into unfamiliar girls to try and trick Charles into fucking her, but he could always tell because of his powers.
>>155036541Iron Man being Spider-Man’s mentor is the worst, but Mystique is up there in how out of place it is in a supposed prequel
>>155036565>Mystique is Destiny's lesbian lover.>Mystique is Nightcrawler's father.>Mystique is Rogue's adoptive mother.>Mystique is Sabretooth's baby mother.>Mystique is mother to Graydon Creed.>Mystique had an alt-timeline son with Professor Xavier>Mystique had an alt-timeline son with WolverineDid I miss anything major?
What about Jason Stryker being a trans allegory?
>>155036541Peter Parker being a mutant.
>>155037754>>Mystique is Nightcrawler's father.wait what
>>155038144he's a mutate
>>155037154Claremont always intended Sabretooth to be Wolverine's dad.
>>155038814She used her power to make a cock and sperm by copying Azezel and knocked up Destiny. Apparently it was an old Claremont idea that he was never able to do.
>>155036541Now I'm just a tourist so I don't know if this was based on some alternate Earth 800813 or timeline shit but>Teenage astronauts>Johnny being blackThis shit threw me for a loop.
Joker killing Bruce's parents in Batman '89.
>>155036541James gunn and his retarded changes to mcu and dcu characters take the cake
>>155039380I didn't watch it then and I won't watch it now. Not because I'm racist but because I haven't heard of it until now and with regards to /co/mic book movies the more obscure they are the worse they are
>>155039380Still remember Josh Trank calling John Byrne a Nazi because he said he was just throwing black actors scraps lmao
>>155037224This is actually a lot funnier when you think about it with her trying to just worm her way into his sex life from various angles and Charles just going "Raven. I know it's you," with the biggest "come on now" expression.
>>155039380Who could ever forget how the phrase "It's clobberin' time" was something that Ben's older brother used to say before beating him up
>>155036871He knows Wolverine's birthday (he shows up once per year to beat his ass), constantly calls him whelp or the "runt of the pack" , and is constantly bullying Wolverine and telling him he'll never measure up to himIt's pretty obvious Sabretooth is Logan's abusive father
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>>155039380I'm just mad they pussed out and didn't make Sue black. Oh no. She had to be adopted to keep her white. Commit to the bit or don't even bother.>>155041420Say that again?
>>155041471At the very end of this story Nick Fury says that Sabretooth only believes himself to be Logan’s father, but it’s not actually the case. Larry Hama was just setting up his Weapon X sequel, where it’s revealed to be an artificial memory implanted in Sabretooth’s mind.
>>155036541I'll do you one better, how about>Jean Grey is a Spider-man villain who sees herself as some kind of duality reflection of him
>>155041448>he shows up once per year to beat his assAND kill whomever wolverine loves. Latest version had him kill around 8 people.
>>155041942Mister Stark is worse
>>155039389Man that guy is a dead ringer for the Joker.
>>155036572No, Charles was a fucking retardHe had a cute girl he knew since they were kids, she was asking for his dick, she just wanted him to see her as cute in her true appearance
>>155038814krakoa retcon>copying azazelthat literally means it's azazel's dna still?
>>155037754Is there a comic character who was raped by the writers more than Mystique?
>>155042523beast
>>155042538Isn't modern Beast just mutant Josef Mengele
>>155042553for like two separate issues, without context, out of character, and the space prison was built off screen. it was all asspulled
>>155038814Originally Nightcrawler was supposed to be black as pitch and the son of Nightmare a fairly popular demon of well...nightmares. But they couldn't get it.So Claremont decided that he would make his tyler durden/pet character Mystique his father/mom with Destiny being the mom...mom. Shooter rightfully told him that was fucking retarded and threatened his life if he even HINTED at that being the case.But Claremont wanted his pet character to be tied to the xmen. Cue the german barron rape by deception origin.It's been retconned into being a magic mutant/demon thing that everyone sort of semi pretends isn't the case or real anymore.Recently the..."people" at marvel probably at the behest of Disney,decide to canonize the retarded origin or Claremont. Mystique after taking backshots from azazel copied his dna( somehow) then fucked Destiny using a futa dick/HIS real dick on the marital bed of the german count who it's been raping for years through deception. Destiny who in canon should be in her 60's. The count walked in on Mystique plowing Destiny missionary style in their bed. YES THIS WAS ON PANEL and ran them out of town. Oh yeah...This means that the Mystique was born a little blue boy thing? It's canon and not just a "joke" claremont threw out there onceAnd it also means mystique can copy people down to their dna including mutant gene..which makes her potentially the most powerful mutant to ever exist. uh...what else what else...That's about it. Mystique is a man, is a canon serial rapist of everything it wants and has numerous bastards it's abandoned or killed or left with unsuspecting mothers/fathers. So yeah.That's the current and more then likely permanent canon of the characters involved in this IP killing debacle. Can't wait for Disney to make this canon in the MCU too. The grifters on social media are going to have a field day.
>>155041471I just wish they dumped x-23's retarded origin and just make her logan and silverfox's daughter.Just make her OG origin a implanted false memory.
>>155037754>Mystique is so old she was literally the real identity of Sherlock Holmes and Destiny is THAT Irene AdlerKang has a saner backstory
>>155042499>that literally means it's azazel's dna still?I guess.
>>155042601>Shooter rightfully told him that was fucking retarded and threatened his life if he even HINTED at that being the caseWe need more people like this in entertainment. It’s the opposite of HR cunt behavior.
>>155042601Is that story true about Claremont commissioning a Storm costume for a black prostitute he was in love with?
>>155042607Romulus showed interest in her a few years back, and even called her Logan’s daughter. Maybe someone could do something with that.
>>155042616So this retarded thing can copy dna down to the letter and use it at whim meaning she can basiclly change into anything and use their powers.But it didn't until it need to dick down a 60 year old destiny and sire nightcrawler. this is canonthis is real>>155042628Probably. Man was the caligula of comics. Wht I hope isn't real is the ass fisting thing.
>>155041370>he was just throwing black actors scrapsThis is the literal truth though, the issue isn't that redheads with freckles are being genocided, it's Hollywood thinking negroes should be grateful to take over white roles that whitey gives them instead of creating interesting original roles that aren't legacy ripoffs.Byrne's gay characters aren't virtue signaling "representation," they're people not defined by their sexual preferences, either the heroes or the villains.
>>155042644>Wht I hope isn't real is the ass fisting thing.Thankfully I don't know this one lolWhat supposedly happened?
>>155042616>>155042644The funniest part of this story is that fucking Azazel is a planetary level threat who can kill Doom and all the Avengers and X-Men unless Mystique and Destiny trick him via cuckoldry
>>155041448>It's pretty obvious Sabretooth is Logan's abusive fatherNo, Sabretooth was originally conceived by Byrne & Claremont that way, but the next year when Empire Strikes Back hit theaters the two of them realized they'd be accused of ripping it off, so they changed Creed to be Logan's symbolic brother and no subsequent writer has tried to imply Creed is James Howlett's dad.
>>155042646Pretty much. But that's everyone who isn't a jew, nep baby, a homo, or sex slave. Blacks can probably completely divorce themselves form hollywood and form their own stuff. But after the way BET was stolen and Cosby was taken down for even attempting to buy a major network I don't think it will make it.
>>155042651This is real. This is a real thing people were allowed to create.
>>155038814The original Claremont pitch was that Mystique shapeshifts to have a dick and knocks up Destiny. This was dropped because this was too much even for the heroin addicts at Marvel editors. It would fly today because Marvel no longer has any editors, but back in the 70s/80s this was not the case and they actually gave a shit about continuity.Anyway the canon backstory is that Mystique is Kurts mom, and the dad is basically Satan himself. Unless they retconned it since. It doesn't get brought up often.
This thread is taking two different directions so allow me to merge them back together.
>>155042639>RomulusNow that guy is the biggest idiotic retcon I can think of.
>>155036541It's not necessarily a bad change, but they didn't do much with it after First Class.I still have to go with Jimmy Olsen being a CIA operative who only shows up for all of 10 seconds. May not be the dumbest change, but it's certainly up there.
>>155042523>who was raped by the writers more than MystiqueThe problem with characters Claremont creates is that he refuses to establish backstories for them because he wants to always pull bullshit out of their pasts at any moment justifying recontextualizing them when it's convenient. Forge not only being red Tony Stark but also a shaman comes to mind. Wolverine cryptically saying he was a slave once. Raven Darkholme started out as a cold blooded bitch who killed for fun in Ms. Marvel, until Claremont made her responsible for the BEM, his pet lesbian foster-parenting Rogue (who wasn't even under 30 until Bill Mantlo rewrote her as a misunderstood youth in ROM). I love his run on X-Men but he was notorious for writing people with no established history. I asked him what Arcade's backstory was at a con and he firmly replied "He doesn't have one."
>>155042681It would be better if Nightcrawler was the son of the witch who raised him and Nightmare. She fell in love with the demon while she was one of his acolytes they bumped uglies and 9 months later while she was running away from the demons foiled plans, she had kurt. There. Simple easy origin, lots of room for growth and drama, even ties him to the magic side of the marvel universe. Even makes his turn as a christian priest more intersting because he is the child of A satan and had the right to sit on the crooked throne itself. No demon or satan analogue in marvel is brave or stupid enough to even attempt it but he has every right too.
>>155042670We all love Kurt but the picosecond you try to think about his origins every comic book writer competes to see who can come up with the shittiest idea. This is karma for him being a rejected LoSH alien OC that Dave Cockrum just couldn't let go of. Joss Whedon stole Kitty Pryde, fused her with Jaime Sommers to create Buffy Summers, then Aaron returned the favor stealing the Scoobies resurrecting a happily dead Buffy from the afterlife to her dismay with the X-Men kidnapping a peacefully dead Kurt from Heaven to his dismay.He's a fun character but endlessly dragged into so many shitshows including a stint as Spider-Man.
>>155042628>Claremont commissioning a Storm costume for a black prostitute he was in love with?I still can't get over the JAV of a Gen Urobochi lookalike being dommed by a Satsuki cosplayer; they even got a dude with the correct acne scars to play him
>>155042665>Cosby was taken down for even attempting to buy a major networkHe was royalty until the moment he commented "Black is a phenotype, but nigger is a choice" (paraphrasing here) and then the community threw him under a bus for violating the official secrets act.
>>155036541Everything about the DCEU wins
>>155042681>This was dropped because this was too much even for the heroin addicts at Marvel editorsIt was also a solid contradiction to her stated weakness that she could duplicate an appearance (down to clothing) or voice but NEVER abilities. Also, Elementals did it better a couple years later where the impregnated superheroine in question was tricked and in a rage melted her female shapeshifter archenemy into a puddle, spatula'd her into a thermos then welded it shut, never to be seen again.
>>155042963>her stated weakness that she could duplicate an appearance (down to clothing) or voice but NEVER abilitiesyou see, that was established for *superhuman* abilities, and cumming cum out of your penis isn't one
